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New Articles (19 January to 27 January)

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Salavat (talk) 02:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This seems similar to kill stealing. Perhaps they should be merged. TarkusABtalk 03:38, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Kill stealing is a gameplay experience, last-hitting is the game mechanics leading to it. There are several ways to distribute reward each with their own problems. I.e. Experience_point#Activity-based_progression conditions player to do some ridiculous grinding. My intention was to describe them. NikitaSadkov (talk) 07:04, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This should just be a section in the MOBA article. I don't see how this will ever expand, as it's only a paragraph long outside of the lead. If nobody objects, I'll do it in a few days. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 08:55, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
+1 or the video game glossary czar 15:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirected to the glossary, which I overlooked as an option. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 01:44, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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If not expanded soon, draftify for new user czar 15:22, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Uh-oh.... smells like the Macy VG IP vandal :/ Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 03:41, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Salavat (talk) 03:10, 3 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

combining articles without agreement

someone is combining the The Monster Hunter Freedom and Monster Hunter Freedom Unite games to their corresponding main monster hunter games without any agreement or discussion made. I undid the edits at first because it didn't seem like anyone talked about merging them at all. but mine were undone and was asked to provide evidence on how there's no agreement for it. I'm not sure how to do that. but I don't see any talk pages talking about combining the articles. and its actually done super lazily. they literally cut the article and paste it on.204.153.155.151 (talk) 13:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like disruptive editing to me. There is no indication that those games are not notable enough for their own articles.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 14:27, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have unmerged. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Neverrainy. Sorry if the merge was a WP:GOODFAITH edit, but to merge articles you would need to pass an WP:AfD, or reach consensus on the talk page. Please do not merge these articles. To make a move, you have to prove a consensus, not the other way around Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:30, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WRONG Merging never requires an AFD, AFD is not to be used for merging (however, a merge result might result from an AFD). Anyone is free to boldly merge articles, but in cases where the articles are both reasonably well-established, that should be checked through talk page discussion. --Masem (t) 14:32, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, the moves were bold, they were reverted, so now discuss. TarkusABtalk 15:14, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
When I want to merge an article, I always follow the procedure laid out at WP:Merging, even if I think it's a completely uncontroversial merge. Merging articles (as opposed to simply redirecting, which I often see inaccurately referred to as merging) is too long and painstaking a process to have it simply reverted two seconds later and discover that consensus doesn't support it. It's much better to make sure the community supports what you're doing before you go through all that work.--Martin IIIa (talk) 15:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, the user is an experienced editor. But I don't personally agree with merging articles without ever mentioning it on the talk page(s) as courtesy. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Neverrainy consistently makes bad edits. He's one of the most incompetent editors I've come across and net negative to the project. --The1337gamer (talk) 18:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Hey. This is a personal attack and crosses a line. Please redact this and do not continue in this vein. --PresN 18:29, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Where's the lie though. Cognissonance (talk) 14:41, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the issue is just throwing out personal attacks. If you have the diffs to prove that the editor is harming Wikipedia, that should be reported on the noticeboard, rather than just stated outright that "this editor is incompetent", which accomplishes nothing.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 16:22, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Couldn't agree more. Don't call out users. I said the user is an experienced editor, that should mean he knows the policies, but if his editing is poor, it should be mentioned on the noticeboard, or specific examples on his talk page. I did look, and their record is far from spotless, but no Personal Attacks please. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 16:44, 12 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

New Articles (2 February to 10 February)

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Salavat (talk) 03:40, 11 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Review request for a DYK

Hey all-- my DYK request for Command and Destroy has been sitting around since 1/9-- it needs a reviewer to approve the ALT2 that the previous reviewer suggested. If anyone wants to come around and check it, that'd be swell! Nomader (talk) 22:07, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Images for Today's Featured Article

This was news to me ... maybe I'm the last to know. David Levy has okayed File:Freedom_Planet_Torque_Sketch.jpg for a Main Page appearance at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 17, 2018. We haven't had many acceptable Main Page images for Featured Article video games. This one is from the press kit for the game. It's CC-BY-SA, and that's a reasonable depiction of one of the main characters. If we can get more CC-BY-SA concept art for future TFAs, that would be great. - Dank (push to talk) 04:41, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:VG Notification

WP:JFN is being discussed again on the talk page of MOS:VG. Additionally recommend that if you did not previously watch the page when it was a project guideline, you watchlist it now that it's MOS. Any changes related to it should be discussed there now, not here as we have in the past. -- ferret (talk) 17:50, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good call, I've added it to my watchlist now. Thanks. Sergecross73 msg me 18:31, 14 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Awards Table for Fallout 4 is all messed up!

I'm having trouble with the Fallout 4 Awards table, as it is all scrambled and messed up! I don't know how to fix it, and I need to add in Fallout 4 VR and its release dates and its 2017-2018 accolades! How can I fix the Awards table? Please help me! --Angeldeb82 (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

 Done -- ferret (talk) 22:13, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Changing article's name

There is a new discussion at Talk:Protagonist (Persona 3)#Requested move 15 February 2018. More opinions would be appreciated.Tintor2 (talk) 20:58, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Salavat (talk) 04:57, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GameMaker Studio categories

Why there are 2 categories for GameMaker Studio games? They are Category:Game Maker games and Category:GameMaker: Studio games. --Mika1h (talk) 14:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like an effort to differentiate between past versions and the current version. Probably unnecessary. -- ferret (talk) 14:55, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The two are practically different engines just share an (almost) equal branding. Lordtobi (✉) 15:52, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, they both link to GameMaker Studio page, and Category:GameMaker: Studio games is a subcategory of Category:Game Maker games, so they are about the same engine. They don't have anything to do with Game-Maker from '91 or GameMaker from '95. --Mika1h (talk) 16:09, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also all games listed in Category:Game Maker games are new games (oldest is from 2008), so I doubt they are made in the other engines. --Mika1h (talk) 16:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox Backlog Drive

Hi All,

from our "To Do" list, (See below), it seems as though we have a list of jobs that require looking into. Would anyone be interested in starting some sort of backlog drive, or a collaborative effort to reduce some of these numbers? I've been planning on starting with infoboxes (I did a few of the As on Friday), before pushing some of the other issues.

I understand that the crazy high numbers for Screenshots and Cover Art make them difficult to put a dent in, but if we had a concerted effort to do these I think we could also reduce the backlog.

I also saw that we have a newsletter. Would anyone be interested to see any statistics on these dependencies? (And therefore be something worth looking into), or is this information that would be too much? Please let me know. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 14:16, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/to do (replaced, see lower)

  • There was some discussion a few weeks back pn Discord about listing articles with screenshot requests released for platforms that are emulatable (thus, screenshots easily producable), and I think Brubsby did all the Atari games (and I think he started DOS also). In theory I guess every video game article larger than a stub could have cover art & a screenshot; However, cover art should literally be in every article (unless there's some reasoning I'm unaware of) so the ~2500 count is definitely lower than the "real" need. However those gnomes among us looking for more precise maintenance categories than those listed in the "to do" box should take a peek at the extended WP:WPVGB Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 14:36, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is true, many emulators for older systems can be run in browser and it's very convenient for taking screenshots. But even just regular emulators work too with a little more effort. I got screenshots for all of the Atari 2600 games that had requested screenshots and started on DOS games, but DOS was a little weirder since a lot of the titles were multi-platform, and DOS didn't necessarily seem like the main one (So I was always a little unsure if the DOS screenshot was sufficient).
But I would definitely love to contribute to a backlog drive! Having some company would definitely motivate me to continue taking screenshots. Brubsby (talk) 16:57, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just getting hold of images is the major hurdle for some games, especially if it's a bedroom coded job for early 80s machines like the TRS-80 etc - X201 (talk) 15:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't the above a list of all articles on Wikipedia, and not specifically VG articles (Unless I'm accessing it wrongly). I understand certain game covers and screenshots may be hard to add, but there is no excuse for not looking into the list. Actually, the original question was regarding infoboxes, which are very easy to add (Provided we have a list), and the near 200 articles needing them could be completely reduced in a number of days, with enough people Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The table of categories just above? The category links are to all articles, but the numbers link to a page which filters it by articles with the WPVG talk page template. --PresN 16:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Though those links don't, ah, work. Looks like they need to be updated to use PetScan instead of the defunct CatScan. --PresN 16:25, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Now fixed. --PresN 16:48, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All of the above numbers are manually derived, but have now been updated- purge the page to see. There are a bunch of smaller ones that can be fixed pretty fast. --PresN 17:12, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think that should be the process, if anyone else is interested, by going category by category removing the backlog.

- On a completely seperate topic, when does the template for the To do get updated? Is that a manual thing, or done by bots? I recently GA reviewed Heavy Rain, do I have to remove it manually from the To Do list, or is this automated (Or better left to administrators?). Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Todo ({{WPVG announcements}}) list is manually updated, and you can feel free to add/remove things yourself- it's mostly (but not exclusively) handled by GamerPro64, while I update (also not exclusively) the parallel lists at WP:VG/GA and WP:VG/FA. (Speaking of which, we should really find a way to consolidate those into one location with template magic...). The category counts in the announcements box are automatically updated (purge the page to see changes), while the extended backlog template gets manually updated (rarely). --PresN 16:45, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seasons

How do you all deal with seasons? For example, the source says "the game will release this summer 1997". I've been told don't say "summer" because the northern hemisphere summer doesn't line up with the southern hemisphere summer and therefore it's confusing. What do I say then? "Q2/Q3"? "northern summer"? TarkusABtalk 22:58, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:SEASONS. Use Q2, Q3, Q2/Q3, mid 2018, late 2018, etc. -- ferret (talk) 23:00, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most English sources are written from the northern hemisphere (do we have an Australian source listed? probably), so it's usually pretty easy to swap a season to its related quarter (or e.g. "mid"). --Izno (talk) 23:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually probably not. Spring = Q2 is about the only one. Summer (usually June-July) straddled Q2 and Q3, Winter goes from Q4 of a year to Q1 of the next (although usually they use "holidays" (i.e. Q4) more than "Winter"), and Autumn/Fall (September-October) also straddles Q3 and Q4. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 23:07, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There are different definitions for what months belong to each season, so I like playing it safe and go Q1/Q2 for spring, Q2/Q3 for summer, Q3/Q4 for fall, and Q4 or Q1 for winter (depending on how the publisher phrases it).--Alexandra IDVtalk 23:13, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I've seen "Winter" as an ETA. Either "late 2018" or "holidays 2018", or "early 2019". Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 23:15, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, you're right, now that I think about it.--Alexandra IDVtalk 23:24, 19 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
They do occasionally, which I always hate, because when it's a ways out, and they say something like "Winter 2019", it's hard to tell if they mean January 2019 or December 2019, which are almost a year in difference. Sergecross73 msg me 00:01, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have seen a couple of cases of games being announced as Winter and to the best of my knowledge they have always been Q1 releases. Based on that we should default to Q1 unless there is evidence to the contrary.--64.229.165.48 (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As long as we are sourcing these announcements, assuming "Winter = Q1" is fine, as long as we recognize that if they really meant "Nov/Dec" when they provide a more specific date, we should provide it. The only gotcha I can see is that editors love include delays: it would be improper to assume that if it was announced "Winter" and then the date narrowed to Nov/Dec, and no one mentions a delay in RS, to assume it was a delay in sources. --Masem (t) 01:27, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Crossposting

Quick request for comments on WP:VG/RS's Google Custom Search Engines. Please join us here. -Thibbs (talk) 23:13, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Emulated games as Physical Release

Hi all,

During a GA review of Ginga Fukei Densetsu Sapphire, it came up that the game was released as an emulated game on PSP in 2008. I didn't know this, but Emulated games are generally not placed in the infobox's for game releases. However, the game was a physical release. [1] Where do we stand on this? It could be that the game is emulated on the PSP with a physical copy, but should this go in the infobox or not? Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 12:27, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If a published decided to package and release to retail a game that was essentially an emulation, I would still consider the physical release notable to include as an infobox date, emulated or not. It's emulations posted to digital storefronts that are far less notable (at almost no cost to the devs/publishers, compared to retail). --Masem (t) 14:58, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Even in compilations like in this case, meaning stuff like Sega Ages and SNK Arcade Classics Vol. 1? Because I disagree. TarkusABtalk 15:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If it was part of a compilation, then no; that can be mentioned in prose. Standalone yes. --Masem (t) 15:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This particular entry is a compilation. Although weirdly, a compilation of two visual novels and a shooter. You'd also have to think, that this game would be the primary selling point. Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 15:48, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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