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Piotrus' to do list #1
So I am back, if in a limited fashion. Thanks to all who helped with that, and thanks to all who kept this project alive in the meantime. Over the next days I will be suggesting a bunch of edits here, for your consideration. Please strike them out if you carry them; or let me know if you think they are unnecessary/unhelpful. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:13, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch: Fundamental Rights Agency started at 22:15, 23 June 2010 to Ryszard Wójcik started at 22:54, 25 June 2010
Popmusic: Sport: Brought to you by --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC) |
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Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from Riverine Air Escadrille started at 01:19, 27 June 2010 to Frank Curto Park started at 08:07, 1 July 2010
Popmusic: Jerzy Pławczyk , Brunette models Sport: Jerzy Pławczyk , Agnieszka Gortel, Marcin Malinowski A few this time... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 15:51, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
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Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from Charles-Louis Bazin started at 09:22, 1 July 2010 to Henry C. A. Damm started at 21:45, 3 July 2010
Sport: Jacek Kuranty , Adrian Klepczyński, Waldemar Sobota , Łukasz Gikiewicz , Łukasz Tymiński, Robert Wojsyk , Piotr Kulpaka , Piotr Tomasik, Dariusz Jarecki , Adrian Chomiuk, Mariusz Przybylski About a week of work, this time :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
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Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from International Society for Education Through Art started at 23:41, 9 July 2010 to Werner Goeritz started at 22:46, 15 July 2010
Sport: Dawid Kostecki, Roman Bugaj, Adrian Cervinski, Ireneusz Woicki (notability??) Be seeing you, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 08:19, 18 July 2010 (UTC) |
Task 21
Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from Nine Days That Changed the World started at 14:40, 16 July 20100 to Bricomarché started at 10:44, 20 July 2010
Nine Days That Changed the World - {{tone}} talk: Poland, Christianity, film wikiprojects (start, low)Warsaw Public Library - talk: WikiProject LibrariesFranciszek Dąbrowski - Poland-mil-bio-stub, WWII-stub, talk: Poland, Bio, MILHIST wikiprojects13th Rifle Division - WWII-stub, mil-unit-stub, talk: MILHIST1938 rename of East Prussian placenames - WP:GERMANY start, DYK (but this may be to short, it is a borderline stub...): , {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=1938 rename of East Prussian placenames| hook=... that in 1938 '''[[1938 rename of East Prussian placenames|Nazi authorities Germanized over a thousand placenames in East Prussia]]'''? | status=new | author=Skäpperöd | nominator=Piotrus}}- It's only 1200 characters, and DYK requires at least 1500. I'll ask Skäpperöd if he can expand it a little. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- Expanded by Radek and nominated for DYK.
- In that case please make sure to list Radeksz as a co-author (author1= | author2= ). Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 09:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- Already done. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:38, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- In that case please make sure to list Radeksz as a co-author (author1= | author2= ). Thanks, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 09:22, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- Expanded by Radek and nominated for DYK.
- It's only 1200 characters, and DYK requires at least 1500. I'll ask Skäpperöd if he can expand it a little. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Ujazdów Avenue - please notify the author that with a little bit more of expansion and inline citations his article(s) could be DYKed- Article is long enough, so I nominated it.
Grzegorz Halama Oklasky - unreferenced, notability, Poland-stub, cabaret-stub, uncatregorized - categories: 1995 establishments, Polish cabaretsRobin Hood - czwarta strzała - unreferenced, notability, Poland-stub... I am not sure what type of performance it is (play?). Uncategorized, but I am not sure what besides 1997 establishments is applicable.- For what it's worth, it appears to be a film.
Jarosław Jaros - talk: Poland, BLP-living, low, stub; uncategorized: 1978 births, Polish actorsRepublic of Ostrów - WP:MILHIST, this should be expanded so it could be dyked...Currently has 583 characters (blockquotes don't count for DYK), so it would require a 3x expansion. I'll contact the article's authors and ask them what they think.I see it was expanded. Need to remove the stub template, and DYK. Suggested hook (but I see Radeksz is expanding it so he may want to suggest a different one if he is going to nom it - please notify him of my suggestion): {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Republic of Ostrów| hook=... that '''[[Republic of Ostrów]]''' was a short-lived state created in the [[aftermath of Word War I]]? | status=new | author1=Loosmark| author2=Radeksz| nominator=Piotrus}}
Maria Skłodowska-Curie Museum - Category:1967 establishments, Polish Chemical Society is notable and should be linked, planned destruction of Warsaw could also be linked in the article; DYK: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Maria Skłodowska-Curie Museum| hook=... that the building of '''[[Maria Skłodowska-Curie Museum]]''', in which the [[Noble prize]] winner was born was [[planned destruction of Warsaw|almost deliberately destroyed during WWII]]? | status=new | author=Nihil novi | nominator=Piotrus}}Jarosław Boberek - Category:1963 births, Polish actors, please ask the author to start adding categories to his/her creations and invite them to our WikiProjectGrzegorz Miśtal - as above...Witold Wieliński - ...and this one is missing almost all information, notability??PWS-4 - Poland and aviation wikiprojects, DYK: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=PWS-4| hook=... that '''[PWS-4]]''', a Polish sports aircraft built in 1928, was not developed beyond a single prototype? | status=new | author=Pibwl | nominator=Piotrus}}- Franciszek Maurer - ugh; start by adding iwiki to pl article; Cats: 1918 births, 2010 deaths, Polish architects, Polish artists, ref section needs formatting (no need to note the license); invite author (User talk:Gliwiczanin) to our project
- If we remove the license, I think somebody may come along and say the article is COPYVIO. I've seen similar notes on other articles (Greg Tate, for example). I'm going to leave it for now.
- Hmmm, ok - but please remove the Polish text :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 09:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- If we remove the license, I think somebody may come along and say the article is COPYVIO. I've seen similar notes on other articles (Greg Tate, for example). I'm going to leave it for now.
Sport: 2010 Poznań Porsche Open, Spójnia Świdwin (1969 establishments, Polish soccer clubs), Artur Szpilka (stub)
Enjoy, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 06:19, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
Task 22
Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from List of Cogeco Cable Ontario TV Channels started at 23:55, 19 July 2010 to Aero-service started at 07:20, 26 July 2010
Mendel Grossman - Poland-bio-stub;please notify the author that with some expansion and inline citations this could be eligible for a DYK- The article was created on July 20 and it's July 31, far past the 5-day DYK limit. I'm not sure it's worth notifying the author about DYK. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 05:06, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Licomp Empik Multimedia - Poland-company-stub, notability, unreferencedMieczysław Witold Gutkowski - Category:Polish victims of Nazi German repressionsChłopaki nie płaczą (film) - Poland-film stub, Category:Polish films, 2000 filmsMichał Milowicz - Poland-actor-stub, photo needs formatting (infobox...), 1970 births- Złota Kaczka - needs ilink to Film (monthly) and if somebody feels like stubbing pl:Film (miesięcznik) (since I cannot) it would be nice
- I would really appreciate if a Polish-speaker could check my machine translation. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:10, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:09, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- I would really appreciate if a Polish-speaker could check my machine translation. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:01, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Mirosław Zbrojewicz - Poland-actor-stub, Category:1957 birthsStefan Majchrowski - Poland-writer-stub, talk: Poland and BLP tagsStefan Jaracz Theatre - c/e to remove bold text (in most cases they should be replaced by interlinks); DYK: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Stefan Jaracz Theatre | hook=... that '''[[Stefan Jaracz Theatre]]''' before [[World War II]], was managed by [[Leon Schiller]] ? | status=new | author=Neverbird | nominator=Piotrus}}; I think the War Section should be split into Interwar and War for obvious reasons; talk: Poland and theatre projectsEdward Jancarz Stadium - talk - Poland projectWarsaw University Library - Category:1816 establishments, DYK: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Warsaw University Library | hook=... that '''[[Warsaw University Library]]'s''' collection was twice taken by the [[Russian Empire]], and significantly damaged during [[WWII]] ? | status=new | author=Darwinek | nominator=Piotrus}}(I'd also suggest asking Darwinek to add more inline cites and expand if possible, the article could be made more interesting)Mausoleum of Struggle and Martyrdom - Category:1952 establishmentsWładysław Wawrzyniak - I think this is beyond stub; hence remove stub template and DYK it (please notify Loosmark - if he is not reading this - that DYKing is easy :D). DYK: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Władysław Wawrzyniak | hook=... that '''[[Władysław Wawrzyniak]], one of the founders of the [[Republic of Ostrów]], was among the victims of the [[Katyn massacre]]? | status=new | author=Loosmark | nominator=Piotrus}}- Casimir Sienkiewicz - please notify the author that the birth place is likely incorrect
- Do you have any suggestions as to what the correct birthplace might be, or a source I should provide to the author? Thanks. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
Sport: Mateusz Żytko , Bronisława Ludwichowska , Ireneusz Marcinkowski, Damian Sperz, 2010–11 Polish Cup, 2010 Individual Speedway Polish Championship, Wojciech Stuchlik, LKS Nieciecza,
Artsts: Aleksandra Kwasniewska (singer), a bunch of stubs by Starzynka from 23rd ([6]) need Poland talk page template
As always, thanks to all of you who are helping out with this task. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- The Warsaw University Library article is already nominated for DYK. - Darwinek (talk) 17:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Task 23
Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch of 29th - 30th July, the both is acting weirdly, and I cannot find data from 26 to 29...
Frenzy of Exultations - unreferenced; talk: Poland and visual arts; probably to late for DYK, but please inform the author (User talk:Verwolff) that with inline cites his work could be eligible for DYKingZygmunt Miłoszewski - talk: Poland- Starzynka has now started stubbing Polish museums. They need stub assessments at talk: Palace Museum in Wilanów, Museum of Independence, Museum of Literature, Warsaw (add Category:Polish literature), Muzeum Kolekcji Jana Pawła II w Warszawie (add Category:Pope John Paul II), Muzeum Historyczne m.st. Warszawy (add Cat:History of Warsaw), Muzeum Historii Polskiego Ruchu Ludowego, Muzeum Fryderyka Chopina w Warszawie (too much of my surprise, I realized there is no Category:Frédéric Chopin - it needs to be created, based on categories in the main article; subcategories: Category:Compositions by Frédéric Chopin), X Pawilon Cytadeli Warszawskiej, Muzeum Farmacji im. Antoniny Leśniewskiej w Warszawie , Mieszkanie Stefana Żeromskiego na Zamku Królewskim w Warszawie , Kolekcja wilanowska (rename???), Muzeum katyńskie w Warszawie (Category:Katyn Massacre),
Muzeum Karykatury w Warszawie (Category:Caricature), Kamienica Łyszkiewicza w Warszawie,Muzeum Harcerstwa w Warszawie (add Category:Scouting in Poland),Muzeum Geologiczne Państwowego Instytutu Geologicznego,Muzeum Gazownictwa w Warszawie. Oh, I also wonder if most of those should not be translated into English (name-wise). One could also ask her again to tag and assess her creations herself... Nikodem Poplawski - notability or prod (2nd opinion would be nice), further the cats probaby need Polish-American- Poplawski may be notable for writing a scientific paper that has generated some articles in the popular press, but it sounds like a fringe theory. I'll tag it for notability rather than PROD it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:50, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
Crown of Bolesław I the Brave - please tell the author (User talk:Gryffindor) that if inline citations are added, this would be a good DYK materialMiliduch - hist-bio-stubMausoleum of Struggle and Martyrdom - also add Cat:Defunct prisons in Poland
Your usual bunch of barely notable sportspeople by Marek: [7]
That's all for now, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:08, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- I was thinking about doing a simple Museum template for easier navigation between articles. Dr. Loosmark 15:53, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Template:Museums in Warsaw? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:02, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
- Yup. I will try to do one now. Dr. Loosmark 18:06, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
Task 24
Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from Yana Maksimava started at 23:29, 30 July 2010 to New Navadvip Temple in Wrocław started at 08:16, 6 August 2010
Senate 2001 - Poland and politics startub, lowList of teams and cyclists in the 2010 Tour de Pologne - Poland and cycling, list, startAlso go to 2010 Tour de Pologne, rate as start, remove the future tag...
List of Hindu temples in Poland - Poland and Hindu, list, mid/low?New Shantipur Temple in Czarnów - start, barely. Tell the author (User talk:SETI3) that with a slight expansion he could nominate this for T:TDYKNew Ramana Reti Temple in Mysiadło - seems stub likeNew Navadvip Temple in Wrocław - also a stubMuseum of the Puck Region - Poland-museum-stub, talk: Poland and museum projects, low, stub. Author ([[User talk:Ciacho5]) should be invited to our projectJewish Community of Danzig - needs a pl interwiki (Historia Żydów w Gdańsku). Update Gdańsk category to History of Gdańsk category, add Category:Jewish Polish history.Needs renaming:uncontroversial decapitalizing of Community; I am not sure whether Danzig or Gdansk is more appropriate, as the community ended with WWII (but begun during the Slavic times). Perhaps a discussion on this might be helpful.Now that the article has a section on the modern community, it seems clear to me that it should be moved to Gdańsk. Malik, what do you think?- I just read Talk:Gdansk/Vote, and I'm not sure. Since most of the Jewish community's history was between 1308 and 1945, should the article be named Danzig? Or should it be named Gdańsk because there were Jews in the city before 1308 and after 1945? I don't have any experience with the Gdańsk/Danzig issue. Should we list it at WP:RM? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
- Frankly, I was never that deeply involved with the Gdańsk vote, but my understanding is that length of time is not the factor; rather, is the article describing something historical that is 1) Danzig- or 2) Gdańsk- only, or a 3) process that is spanning them? In 1) and 2), use the according name. In 3), use modern one, just as Gdańsk is at Gdańsk, not Danzig (ditto for History of Gdańsk, which is not at History of Danzig. I think that those two long-estabilished examples make it clear how the rule works, but if more is needed, just look at Category:Gdańsk and note all "of Gdańsk" examples (and the near lack of any "of Danzig" ones). PS. Could you fix redirects Mayor of Gdansk, Mayor of Gdańsk and Mayors of Gdańsk to point to List of mayors of Gdańsk? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
- radek started a discussion on the article's Talk page. I'll chime in there. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
- Frankly, I was never that deeply involved with the Gdańsk vote, but my understanding is that length of time is not the factor; rather, is the article describing something historical that is 1) Danzig- or 2) Gdańsk- only, or a 3) process that is spanning them? In 1) and 2), use the according name. In 3), use modern one, just as Gdańsk is at Gdańsk, not Danzig (ditto for History of Gdańsk, which is not at History of Danzig. I think that those two long-estabilished examples make it clear how the rule works, but if more is needed, just look at Category:Gdańsk and note all "of Gdańsk" examples (and the near lack of any "of Danzig" ones). PS. Could you fix redirects Mayor of Gdansk, Mayor of Gdańsk and Mayors of Gdańsk to point to List of mayors of Gdańsk? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 19:25, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
- I just read Talk:Gdansk/Vote, and I'm not sure. Since most of the Jewish community's history was between 1308 and 1945, should the article be named Danzig? Or should it be named Gdańsk because there were Jews in the city before 1308 and after 1945? I don't have any experience with the Gdańsk/Danzig issue. Should we list it at WP:RM? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Franciszek Indan Pykna - needs copyediting (or copyedit tag). Talk: Poland start low template, BLP living no. Categories: 1913 births, 1989 deaths, Polish mathematician, Polish philosophers. Please inform the author (User talk:ULVINNE) that when he creates articles, he should add categories, inline links, footnotes, and that if he does that and writes substantial articles like that one, he may nom them for DYKs.Open-air Museum of the Łódź Wooden Architecture - too many pictures, need to be trimmed. Talk: Poland, museum, start, low. Please tell the author (User talk:Cmw2010) that with inline cites it could be DYKableIvan Ziatyk - please tag with BLP and Ukraine projects, start, low. Add category: Victims of Soviet repressions. Seems DYKable: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Ivan Ziatyk| hook=... that in Ukrainian priest '''[[Ivan Ziatyk]]''' was persecuted by the [[Soviet] government for "spreading the Catholic Faith"? | status=new | author=Albanman| nominator=Piotrus}}- Alojzy Adamczyk - needs categories and talk project templates, I'd also appreciate your thoughts on notability
- Probably not notable, although receiving honorary decorations might make him notable. Most of the Google books/news hits I found under that name were for a labor leader, probably not the same person. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:28, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Night of museums and galleries - Plovdiv - needs a new name, copyedit, uncategorizedSzacunek Ludzi Ulicy - uh, machine translation? Either tag it with a bunch of things or consider prodding that messAbraham Boyarsky - bio-stubRatusha, Ivano-Frankivsk - talk: Ukrainian wikiproject, architecture as well. Seems DYKable, but I cannot think of a hook, also needs some language copyedit, inline cites - perhaps notify the author (User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev) of that.
Sport: in addition to Marek's creations listed above: Marcin Wodecki, Bartosz Ława, Rafał Jackiewicz
That's it for this week, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 18:13, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
Task 25
Main: weekly analysis of Portal:Poland/New article announcements (batch from Veste Landskron started at 09:41, 6 August 2010 to Elżbieta Konstancja Potulicka started at 08:05, 10 August 2010
Confederation of the Polish Nobility - Cat:Organizations estabilished in 1994, talk: Poland project, mid, low. Inform the creator (User talk:Hroobjartr) that this and similar articles could be eligible for DYK if they had inline citationsMonument to fallen for Těšín Silesia - talk: Czech wikiproject, inform the author (User talk:Vangabond) that this article could be eligible for DYKSophie Moss - notability?Omni-mediatress of All Glories basilica (Niepokalanów) - rename (Basilica of Omni-mediatress of All Glories?); talk: Poland, christianity projects (start, low). Move some categories between that article (about a church) and Niepokalanów (monastery). Inform the author (User talk:Fczarnowski) that with some inline cites, this article would be eligible for a DYK and invite him to the projectGompa Drophan Ling in Darnków - start, talk: Poland, buddhism; inform the author (User talk:SETI3) that with some inline cites the article could be DYKableTeodor Talowski - needs copyediting, Poland and BLP project tags, inform the author (User talk:PawkaLukasz) that with some c/e and expansion/inline cites, it would be eligible for DYKingAndrzej Friszke - inform User talk:Darwinek that with just a little more expansion, this would be DYKableSzymon Rudnicki - as aboveAdam Zygmunt Sapieha and Elżbieta Konstancja Potulicka - Poland-noble-stub, talk page BLP and Poland, notability?Władysław Leon Sapieha - this one seems notable, talk pages as above, inform the author (User talk:KEdE52) that with some expansion / inline cites this could be DYKedLeonard F. Walentynowicz - talk: BLP, Poland and USA projects. DYkable: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article=Leonard F. Walentynowicz | hook=... that '''[[Leonard F. Walentynowicz]]''' opposed [[affirmative action]] as a form of [[reverse racism]] that mainly hurt [[white ethnics]]? | status=new | author=Adam sk | nominator=Piotrus}}Baltic Days of Jewish Culture - Poland-stub, talk: Poland project, Jewish project?Michał Gryziński - is the word "controversial" in such a short (notability?) article justified?Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion#Template:Infobox_Polish_noble - two Poland-related templates for deletion, probably proper deletionIgloopol Dębica - Poland-sport-stubP.L. Shupyk National Medical Academy of Postgraduate Education - needs a copyedit, education and Ukrainian wikiprojectsJerzy Holzer - again, inform Darwnek that this is close to DYKable, as some other recent articles of hisNeoclassical architecture in Poland - just stumbled upon this 4x expansion, needs Poland and architecture projects, -stub templates, a bunch of links should be added to notable buildings, architects and so on (remember: WP:RED says red links are ok, too) {{subst:NewDYKnom| article=Neoclassical architecture in Poland | hook=... that the center of the '''[[neoclassical architecture in Poland]]''' was in [[Warsaw]]? | status=expanded | author=BurgererSF | nominator=Piotrus }}, and inform the author (User talk:BurgererSF) that if he does expansions in the future, T:TDYK is that'a'way (and that expansions are hard to spot without self-reporting)
Popculture: O$ka (musician, needs categories, project tags)
Sport: Edmund Zientara (not that far from being DYKable), Kamil Rado, Pawel Wolak (rename to Paweł?), bunch of articles by Marek
Half a week, but I'll probably be too busy for a week to update soon. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:22, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
A suggestion
I am grateful to all of you who are helping out with this. I wonder if I may interest you in not only helping to carry out the tasks I've listed, but in preforming the analysis yourself? Having several people doing this would not only lessen my workload, but would help to avoid unfortunate situations like loosing over a quarter of NA reviews (as happened earlier this year) when I was not able to carry out those tasks.
To avoid double work, I'd suggest you list the articles you've reviewed and acted upon here in the format I am using; or even you could just list that you have reviewed the articles from x dated y to a dated b (like I always do in my task header). This would create less work for me, and add redundancy to the project. Anybody up for that? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 13:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Vandalism for reverting
names from 1938 part 2
user:HerkusMonte is once again pushing the names invented by Nazi Germany in 1938 into the lead of Polish villages' articles and seems he is also ready to edit war over it. Dr. Loosmark 15:50, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Again, I don't see what your objection is. If you think the information should be somewhere other than the first sentence (because it certainly is information that ought to be in the article somewhere), then perhaps you could demonstrate with a sample article how you think it should look.--Kotniski (talk) 15:56, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- My objection is it's improper to have names invented in the Nazi era in the lead of the article, it's insulting. Dr. Loosmark 16:05, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Agreed that this is highly inappropriate. All Polish locations had German names during Nazi period(for example Litzamnstadt for Łódż). First a request should be made for the source and the Nazi propaganda name moved from the lead to proper section. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:13, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Kotniski, I think I have already given an example the last time. Let me repeat it: in 1953 Katowice was renamed to Stalinogród, the name lasted till 1956. The Katowice article simply mentions it. It's similar with the 1938 Nazi German names, those weren't some historical German names which would deserve to be in the lead, it was used only from 1938 to 1944/45. Dr. Loosmark 16:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- I checked some Polish articles on those locations and they mention changing of the name in germanization campaign-something that HK avoids mentioning in his edits.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 16:22, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- OK but Katowice is a fully-fledged article; the ones were talking about here are just stubs (which don't currently consist of much else except the lead). Can you show on Jeleniowo, for instance, how you think the German name information should be introduced into the article?--Kotniski (talk) 17:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Done. (There are million other ways to do it of course). Dr. Loosmark 17:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Kotniski, I think I have already given an example the last time. Let me repeat it: in 1953 Katowice was renamed to Stalinogród, the name lasted till 1956. The Katowice article simply mentions it. It's similar with the 1938 Nazi German names, those weren't some historical German names which would deserve to be in the lead, it was used only from 1938 to 1944/45. Dr. Loosmark 16:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
ok it seems that Skaperrod opened a RfC here: Talk:Rumy. Dr. Loosmark 17:11, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
- Just as an example: In contemporary context the "Nazi names" are used in Poland too, all Polish sources, including the Rzeczpospolita[10], at Raid on Mittenheide use the post-1938 name "Mittenheide" instead of "Turoscheln" or modern Turośl. And mistakes like "Near the village of Turośl, Podlaskie Voivodeship they reached the Prussian border" [11] only happen because the author didn't know about the renaming of 1938. HerkusMonte (talk) 09:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- There is a bit difference between a name of a village and a military operation. Dr. Loosmark 11:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I know the Nazi names aren't legal in Poland and they are "insulting" for many Poles. Possible ignorance of one Polish journalist doesn't prove anything. Opole region gminas use historical German names, not the Nazi ones. Xx236 (talk) 07:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- pl:Rumy (and several other articles) provides "illegal" information ? HerkusMonte (talk) 06:26, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- As far as I know the Nazi names aren't legal in Poland and they are "insulting" for many Poles. Possible ignorance of one Polish journalist doesn't prove anything. Opole region gminas use historical German names, not the Nazi ones. Xx236 (talk) 07:41, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
- Mentioning current polish law is completely nonsense (And as far as I know, it's just not allowed to introduce them again, and nobody plans to introduce them :-o ), along the way the whole discussion is nonsense. Current law will not change historical facts and will not change names used from 1933 to 1945 in Germany post scriptum / retrospectively / after the fact. --Jonny84 (talk) 09:35, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- Nobody said that the law wants to retrospectively change the names, claiming that would be stupid. The problem at hand here is simply that those Nazi names have to be put in their proper context. The pl:Rumy article does that in a correct way while on the other hand putting those names in the lead giving the impression those are some sort of legitimate alternative names is a definite no no. Dr. Loosmark 15:48, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
- So why Xx236 mentioned it, without any connection? About Rumy: It's embarrassing that the other german name Rummy don't appear a bit, especially after all these references. Beyond that people could believe this place was polish before 1945, no word about it that this place was in Germany. Besides calling this names "Nazi names" is simply POV - We also do not call the polish names introduced in the years of 1945 to 1989 by communist Poland "Communist names". About using of the names in the lead: User HerkusMonte included them with the years of use. He didn't let space for wrong impressions. In my mind this way isn't a problem. --Jonny84 (talk) 10:49, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
- Xx236 did not mention it without any connection, using a Nazi name for a Polish village can very well be illegal in Poland in some situations. Calling this(sic) names "Nazi names" is not POV at all, those names were indeed invented by the Nazis to make them sound more German. Finally I can't believe you compare the Nazi Third Reich with Poland from 1945 to 1989, seriously have smoked something or what? And yes user:HerkusMonte did the include the years of use but failed to explain those were Nazi invented names. Dr. Loosmark 16:02, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
- Once again: Current polish law will not change or delete history and facts. Maybe you shouldn't smoke too much and read accurate, 'cause "I" didn't make such comparisons. But besides there are some analogies: Communists invented polish names to make the place names sound polish and to hide the german history of these places. --Jonny84 (talk) 16:29, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
- Changing history and facts? What are you talking about? Nobody wants to change history, let alone Poland or its laws, the memory of the Nazis' folly has to be preserved for the next generations. The question here is only how to represent the Nazi invented Germanized names - the lead is not the place for it. After all this is Wikipedia not Nazipedia. Dr. Loosmark 17:17, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
SS Jedność
I created an article on SS Jedność today. A Yahoo search for "Jedność" and "Polskie Linie Oceaniczne" turns up several potential sources. Are there any editors who are able to expand the article if any of those sources are useable? Mjroots (talk) 07:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
- Well done. Needs a Poland WikiProject tags, and assessments as start mid or low. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 09:30, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
- If this WP is interested in tagging Polish ship articles, they are in Category:Ships of Poland and subcats thereunder. Now, are any of those potential sources useable, and if so, would a Polish-reading editor please expand the article where possible. Mjroots (talk) 10:51, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
- I took a look and there is nothing usable in those sources I am afraid. Dr. Loosmark 16:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Please review those (old) edits
I raised this before but got no comments, so here it comes again: some articles from Template:Administrative division of Poland were turned into redirects. Administrative division of Duchy of Warsaw was merged to Duchy of Warsaw; Administrative division of Congress Poland was merged partially into Congress Poland and partially into Privislinsky Krai (which was then deleted and redirected to Vistula Land, with part of the merged content lost). I suggest fixing this mess by restoring both "administrative..." articles, and summarizing/moving parts of Duchy of Warsaw and Congress Poland articles back to them. Similarly, some articles on notable institutions were redirected: Namiestnik of the Kingdom of Poland (again, part was merged to deleted PK article), Administrative Council (this one by Malik). Those articles have full-blown pl wiki articles, too: pl:Namiestnicy Królestwa Polskiego, pl:Rada Administracyjna. Please note that each of those articles had a number of associated redirects that, if the merger is reverted, need to be retargeted as well. I think those article were notable stubs with potential for proper expansion. Thoughts? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
Just FYI
I have cleaned up the Powązki Cemetery article. Previously it totally messed up the Old Powązki with the Military Powązki, which are two different cemeteries, though located close to each other. The Powązki Military Cemetery has been created as a separate article. When dealing with the cemeteries in some biographies, please direct the link to the correct article to avoid further confusion and misinformation. Thanks. - Darwinek (talk) 23:07, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
- Good job. How about improving Powązki Military Cemetery to DYK quality? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 14:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Wikiexpedition
Please note Wikiexpedition 2010 took place in July. About 15 Wikimedians were busy, taking pictures of items in nord-central Poland (From Słupsk to Elbląg). Here is description of Wikiexpedition 2010, and here is results: 2600 pictures (and continuously growing). If you need picture from area, look for it. Ciacho5 (talk) 19:08, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks for notifying our project. It looks like you did a great job. I am sure we will gradually use many of these photos. - Darwinek (talk) 20:19, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Infobox Polish monarch for deletion
Hi/Cześć! The want to delete: Template:Infobox Polish monarch
Schould you be interested in? Regards!
Wojgniew (talk) 16:02, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thanks. I've noted that in my Tasks above; I think that's an ok maintenance deletion, but interested editors are welcome to look into it in more detail. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 16:49, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Lithuanian problem editors
I'm fed up arguing with them, but there are some editors on Lithuanian articles (such as Seredžius) starting again to actively remove information about Polish names for Lithuanian places - if anyone cares about preserving this information, they might like to keep an eye out.--Kotniski (talk) 17:15, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- Unfortunately their behaviour is unprecedented on the whole WP. Nobody guards the "purity" of own town articles like them. It is silly, since no respectable Polish editors had any problem with Lithuanian names for places like Sejny. - Darwinek (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
- What else is new? This has been going on for years and nobody has done anything about it, even though it's a blatant nationalistic disregard of Wikipedia policy.radek (talk) 02:04, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- Removing foreign language names for places sharing a history is a “blatant nationalistic disregard of Wikipedia policy” ?[12] [13][14]Oh, really? HerkusMonte (talk) 09:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- This is a different case (and regardless, these aren't my edits) since you're talking about names that were made by the Nazis, not legitimate German names. The situation is rather analogous to continuously removing "Breslau" or "Danzig" and similar, from articles on Wroclaw and Gdansk, etc. So you're comparing apples and oranges (and did I mention those aren't my edits?)radek (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Any comparison witz Gdańsk is incorrect, because of Talk:Gdansk/Vote. The name Vilnius is used as the only one in the text, because "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others". "The city was first mentioned in written sources in 1323" - but what was the name of it? Letters of Gediminas are avialble in Lithuanian translation.Xx236 (talk) 13:16, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- If you had followed the links above you would have realized that these names were not "made by the Nazis" and if you had adressed your view of editors who revert foreign names to User:Loosmark, the discussion here would be more credible. HerkusMonte (talk) 08:06, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- And your claims would be more credible if at any point in time you have had something to say about the broad situation - particularly in regard to the subject that this section is about. (Some) German editors think that "Poles are nationalistic" because we don't want the articles on current Polish cities under German names, though mostly no Polish editor has any problems with having German names (or Lithuanian for that matter) in the articles themselves where such is appropriate (and I'm not sure that's sticking it into every small village in Poland is appropriate). And then Lithuanian editors pretend that "Poles are nationalistic" because Polish editors would like the Polish name to exist somewhere, just anywhere, in the articles on currently Lithuanian places that have a significant connection with Polish history - and they rabidly remove any such traces. So the end result is a plethora of German names in Polish place articles, with (some) German editors still complaining about Polish editors, and virtually no Polish names in any Lithuanian articles, with Lithuanian editors still complaining about Polish editors. Looking at the narrow space between these two (mis)positions, I don't think it's the Polish editors who are being "nationalistic" here.radek (talk) 08:53, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- This is a different case (and regardless, these aren't my edits) since you're talking about names that were made by the Nazis, not legitimate German names. The situation is rather analogous to continuously removing "Breslau" or "Danzig" and similar, from articles on Wroclaw and Gdansk, etc. So you're comparing apples and oranges (and did I mention those aren't my edits?)radek (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Removing foreign language names for places sharing a history is a “blatant nationalistic disregard of Wikipedia policy” ?[12] [13][14]Oh, really? HerkusMonte (talk) 09:29, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- And from what I can see, all three of the examples you give above still have the German names in them. So like Kotniski says, the problem has been resolved. This is a discussion about a problem that has not been resolved. For something like six years now.radek (talk) 09:02, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Most of Lithuanian cities do have name part, that does present names in four or more languages. It could be a solution, that would minimize the tension. As for problematic editors, one should not spill nats so easily, And the EE mailing list is still not forgotten. I do still remember what words User:Radeksz used to describe me. Let's leave it on his consciousness. Lokyz (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- How did I describe you? I can't remember. Probably as a Lithuanian nationalist or something. And hey, if you don't want to know what people really think of you, then you shouldn't be reading their private emails.radek (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Mailing list is not a private conversation, actually. I've already told you and the others - the name calling is on your consciousness.Lokyz (talk) 14:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- How did I describe you? I can't remember. Probably as a Lithuanian nationalist or something. And hey, if you don't want to know what people really think of you, then you shouldn't be reading their private emails.radek (talk) 14:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- What "minimize tension"? Per Wikipedia policies relevant names should be in the lead. Countless Polish cities and towns have for example German and in some cases Lithuanian or Ukrainian names in the lead. As is normal. If a Polish name in lead of the Lithuanian city cause you tension then that's your problem. Dr. Loosmark 12:29, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- this is not nice to say the least, calling others nationalists creating WP:BATTLE - one should note, that no information was removed by me, it was added. Loosmark did remove the multi-confession and multi national part:)Lokyz (talk) 14:04, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- I do not have problem. The section name states that there is a problem with Lithuanian editors. And it is your problem. Not Wikipedia's. How many times there attempts to block multiple Lithuanian editors, call names, and what is the outcome - eventually you've lost one of the biggest asset of WP:Poland - an admin, and most of the Polish tag team got banned, and you've still learned nothing. And there are still editors who frivolously go into calling other's nats. Pathetic.Lokyz (talk) 12:54, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Loosmark is right, WP policies are right - you are wrong. What is pathetic is your perseverance in blanking the articles about "Lithuanian" towns. Wikipedia is not an arena for double standards. Poles, Germans, Czech, Russians, Italians and others have not any structural problems with names in other languages. Only Lithuanians do, and for that you are destined to fall sooner or later. - Darwinek (talk) 13:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- :) I'll skip this proposition for WP:BATTLE. Although, I still want to ask: are you going for WP:POINT? My humble proposition would be to have a cup of tea. Have a good day.Lokyz (talk) 13:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Darwinek's "point" is simply that for some reason certain Lithuanian editors appear to believe that usual Wikipedia rules and policies don't apply to them or "their" articles. They completely ignore Wikipedia guidelines on naming, remove any trace of Polish names from Lithuanian articles, even when these have a connection to Polish history, and tag team revert (The combo is usually Dr. Dan, MK, Lokyz, then back to Dr. Dan; one of these times you guys should let Lokyz go first. Occasionally Novickas jumps in) to enforce their view which is contrary to Wikipedia's stated rules. This situation is unique to Lithuanian articles and editors (unlike Polish, German, Czech, Russian or Italian).radek (talk) 14:34, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- :) I'll skip this proposition for WP:BATTLE. Although, I still want to ask: are you going for WP:POINT? My humble proposition would be to have a cup of tea. Have a good day.Lokyz (talk) 13:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Loosmark is right, WP policies are right - you are wrong. What is pathetic is your perseverance in blanking the articles about "Lithuanian" towns. Wikipedia is not an arena for double standards. Poles, Germans, Czech, Russians, Italians and others have not any structural problems with names in other languages. Only Lithuanians do, and for that you are destined to fall sooner or later. - Darwinek (talk) 13:10, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Most of Lithuanian cities do have name part, that does present names in four or more languages. It could be a solution, that would minimize the tension. As for problematic editors, one should not spill nats so easily, And the EE mailing list is still not forgotten. I do still remember what words User:Radeksz used to describe me. Let's leave it on his consciousness. Lokyz (talk) 12:13, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- And from what I can see, all three of the examples you give above still have the German names in them. So like Kotniski says, the problem has been resolved. This is a discussion about a problem that has not been resolved. For something like six years now.radek (talk) 09:02, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Do you find Hitlersee to be "legitimate name"? Xx236 (talk) 07:27, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Just to make it clear, I consider the removal of German names from Polish place articles to be just as much problematic editing behaviour as the removal of Polish names from Lithuanian articles - however I believe the former problem has been resolved (right?), with acceptance that such names should appear in the articles, though not always in the first sentence. In the Lithuanian case, however, the editors in question are not even prepared to compromise that far - they insist on the Polish names being expunged from the articles altogether.--Kotniski (talk) 08:26, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- We have tried doing something about it, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Lithuania/Conflict resolution for example. Unfortunately, such attempts failed repeatedly :( After all those years, I still have no idea how this conflict can be solved if only one side is willing to talk :( Nonetheless, I would still suggest trying that - there is no alternative, really. WP:MEDIATION could work one of those days, if we get enough new editors who have not radicalized yet. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 04:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Polish county articles needing coordinates
Nearly all Polish county articles now have geographic coordinates. (See Środa Wielkopolska County for an example of a Polish county article correctly marked up with its geographical coordinates.) It would be really useful if the last few remaining Polish counties without coordinates could also have coordinates added:
As of today, the remaining 24 uncoded articles are:
- Głogów County needs coordinates
- Góra County needs coordinates
- Jawor County needs coordinates
- Jelenia Góra County needs coordinates
- Kamienna Góra County needs coordinates
- Kłodzko County needs coordinates
- Legnica County needs coordinates
- Lubań County needs coordinates
- Lubin County needs coordinates
- Lwówek Śląski County needs coordinates
- Milicz County needs coordinates
- Oława County needs coordinates
- Oleśnica County needs coordinates
- Polkowice County needs coordinates
- Środa Śląska County needs coordinates
- Strzelin County needs coordinates
- Świdnica County needs coordinates
- Trzebnica County needs coordinates
- Wałbrzych County needs coordinates
- Wołów County needs coordinates
- Wrocław County needs coordinates
- Ząbkowice Śląskie County needs coordinates
- Zgorzelec County needs coordinates
- Złotoryja County needs coordinates
Can anyone please help add coordinates to these articles? -- The Anome (talk) 09:33, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
- Just add the coordinates from their respective administrative seat. - Darwinek (talk) 10:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
Tadeusz Adamowski
This is a request for help and a suggestion to those interested in the Poland project. If you go to the entry on Tadeusz Adamowski and the Discussion of that entry, you will see that I have tried to add information to Adamowski's bio. There is quite a bit more information in the Polish-language WP, as well as in an even longer bio by the Polish Olympic Committee. See the links that I provide on the discussion page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Tadeusz_Adamowski
Unfortunately I cannot read Polish, so I cannot draw out some of the detailed bio information from those two sources. But as it happens I knew both Tad Adamowski and his sister Helenka Adamowska Pantaleoni (whose parents were members of the Adamowski Trio -- there should be a WP entry on the Trio but unfortunately there is not). I also have some information that has come through my extended family about Tad's serving in the Polish artillery after 1939, being captured by the Germans in WW II, escaping from the camp in Poland, and somehow getting himself to Italy, from where, while in hiding he managed to get a cryptic message back to his sister in New York. The cryptic message was an effort to tell his sister Helenka where he was located. Through her own connections, Helenka (whose own husband Guido Pantaleoni had volunteered for service in the OSS and was killed behind enemy lines in Sicily in 1943) found someone (actually it was my future father-in-law) who figured out the meaning of the cryptic message: that Tad was hiding in Naples. The OSS then found a way to rescue Tad from Naples, and he then returned to the United States. Now I doubt that much, if any, of this is in the bio, and to be frank, I cannot formally document the story except from the telling of my mother-in-law. But Tad deserves a more thoroughgoing bio in Wikipedia than he has now, and I am sure somebody connected with the Wikiproject Poland can find useful information in the sources that I have referred to. Thank you for your attention to this request.~Mack2~ (talk) 04:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I can translate some of the info from Polish wiki and a cursory look on teh internets confirms the basic outlines of the story so I'll see what I can get. There also seems to be an interesting story here about how hockey came over to Eastern Europe and how come the Czechs are so damn good at it (apparently it came from Canada to Czechoslovakia and then spread, with help from Adamowski, to Poland). Thanks for bringing it up.radek (talk) 05:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! My understanding of what happened after he was in the prison camp is vague. I wonder whether he was liberated from the camp by the Red Army, and then was trying to avoid the Soviets when he fled to Italy. I imagine one of his nephews (sons of Helenka) knows some of the details. BTW/ one of Helenka's granddaughters (and Tad's grandniece) is the actress Tea Leoni.~Mack2~ (talk) 07:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- More in this story including an old photo; can't read it well (I do know some Russian), but there's a bit at the end about how he got back to US (via Odessa? not sure this is actually true).http://dailysport.pl/index.php/2010/06/30/tadeusz-ralf-adamowski-%E2%80%93-pionier-hokeja-w-polsce/ ~Mack2~ (talk) 07:20, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! My understanding of what happened after he was in the prison camp is vague. I wonder whether he was liberated from the camp by the Red Army, and then was trying to avoid the Soviets when he fled to Italy. I imagine one of his nephews (sons of Helenka) knows some of the details. BTW/ one of Helenka's granddaughters (and Tad's grandniece) is the actress Tea Leoni.~Mack2~ (talk) 07:05, 16 August 2010 (UTC)