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Assess table

Hi Curb! Further to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Josef Schmalz: User:Swpb made two fine templates last year, {{assess table}} and the accompanying {{source assess}}; I recall using them in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Giles Roberts. I thought you would like to know about them, I find them very usefull. Kind regards, Sam Sailor 13:08, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

G2 tag

The G2 tag says that it does not apply to user sandboxes, so I have removed it from User:SovietSeal/sandbox. I agree that it was an annoyance to the reviewers. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:50, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Yes, G2 is for test pages. The point about sandboxes (in any namespace except article-space) is that they are primarily for testing things in. Indeed, G2 has explicit exemptions for both user space and certain sandboxes. If I had encountered this, my action would have been to remove the {{AFC submission|||ts=20180129192522|u=SovietSeal|ns=2}} and left the rest alone. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:24, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

On Breakup of Yugoslavia (my draft)

My draft covers the 1941 Partition of Yugoslavia, not the Breakup. You see, I provide sufficient citations and cover the entire thing. Now, I aim for it to become a stub, and to be worked on by the community. GermanGamer77 15:44, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

better?!

--Mr.M-G-S-X-J-J-U-M-R-T-E-E v.-Schmalz (talk) 22:36, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

16:24:40, 6 February 2018 review of submission by Alice Laird


Hi Thank you for your comments on my James Peele submission. I am thinking of adding some text about him and a couple of other significant historical figures in the development of double entry bookkeeping to the 'History' section of the Double-entry bookkeeping system Wikipedia article instead of adding individual articles. Do you think that is a preferable approach? Best wishes Alice

Alice Laird (talk) 16:24, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Please remember to check for copyvio

Hi Curb Safe Charmer and thanks for your work reviewing drafts. Please remember to check for copyright violations. The particular one I saw was Draft:Iota draft one, which had extensive copying from here. Thank you, — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 21:10, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the reminder, Diannaa. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 21:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Asyley

Hi,
is it OK to move your posts at the above page to User talk:AshleyLau? (There was a change of username and the TP was redirected). Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 23:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

 Done Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 08:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks. Eagleash (talk) 10:32, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Thanks Curb for the comments. In fact ET Business College has appeared in all reference, but it was in Chinese. If you search '經濟商學院', you will easily find them. AshleyLau (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:40, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

01:08:23, 13 March 2018 review of submission by Shyamu111


Shyamu111 (talk) 01:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)


Hello, have included more information and references in this page although not sure if the formatting of references is correct. Please consider the page again if you find it acceptable now. Due to passage of time many references to the subject are difficult to find especially newspapers of the time because online documentation was not prevalent then, but could find some in old books through a search on google books. Regards PS what is the four tilde ? Shyamu111 (talk) 01:08, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks re: Sentientism article

Hi Curb - thanks for your feedback on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sentientism (I'm a newbie at this). I've added more references now to strengthen the relevance. Thanks JamieWoodhouse (talk) 18:48, 14 March 2018 (UTC).

About my draft

Being a general seceratary appears to be a thing in the city level as, it is a ruling party and secondly it is a capital city . So being at. capital city is directly related to the state politics Anonymous17576 (talk) 20:03, 23 March 2018 (UTC)


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18:51:10, 4 April 2018 review of submission by 2405:205:C82B:5652:1268:6DB5:EE67:DC41


2405:205:C82B:5652:1268:6DB5:EE67:DC41 (talk) 18:51, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

A Barnstar

The Articles for Creation barnstar
For your hard work on so many new articles! Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 22:00, 8 April 2018 (UTC)

Juanpa Zurita

Hello :) I have seen that you are one of the participants of the Wikiproject YouTube, I thought it important to tell you that this article is considered for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Juanpa Zurita . I'm going to warm the rest of the WikiProject team. Bye :) --Viajaste (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Big Loud Records

Big Loud Records was a draft you declined in December. I took the draft and added to it. The company is notable as a record label that has produced a #1 hit on a major chart (Fix (Chris Lane song)), and many of the label's other releases are notable enough for articles. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 20:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Baden Powell Service Association (Canada)

I have changed the references so that they refer to material that has Creative Commons licensing. Let me know if there is anything else that I can do. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Imasham (talk • contribs) 00:11, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

@Imasham: this is better handled by a copyright clerk who will review the article and decide what is to be done. However the issue is not the references but the body content of the article which you've copied and pasted from the BPSA website which appears to be copyright material of the BPSA. Copyrighted material can't be used on Wikipedia (other than in some very specific circumstances). This is because anything on Wikipedia can be reused by others. Having content added to Wikipedia that belongs to someone else could cause problems for the Wikipedia Foundation. See WP:COPYOTHERS.

I've made you aware of this before. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 05:44, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

07:57:30, 30 April 2018 review of submission by 178.248.249.175


Hi Curb,

in short my reasons: There is no other way for many professionals (especially HR) in this field to find out a standard naming for this new Enterprise function.

I can add other privacy certifications like this one: https://www.identitymanagementinstitute.org/cdp/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIhce397zh2gIVw5TVCh2hKg_-EAMYASAAEgLST_D_BwE

but in eality the IAPP is the industry standard. It's not promotional: try to search yourself on Google for Privacy Certification (for professionals, not for a whole company): simply there are basically none, and even the other one I just listed above is not recognized (requested) like IAPP's (sse in the real-life job offer below).

Not sure which references I can put as this won't be found in books or univaerstity press publications. The only references you will find are real-life jobs offers (in USA and EU), here are few examples (and look that most of them do require IAPP certifications (CIPP/CIPM) just because it's the only one industry recognized (e.g. requested by BIG 4s and big ompanies like Microsof etc.). Probably it's because IAPP it's the only certification body for Privacy certification which at today is accredited by ANSI https://iapp.org/news/a/iapp-certifications-granted-ansi-accreditation-under-international-iso-standard/):

So overly promotional was not intended, it's just the reality. I am not a IAPP employee, nor I am paid from IAPP in any way. I am an EU citizen, IAPP is in USA. I wish we had in EU something like that, ut we do not have.

A list of Job (even Microsoft looks for a privacy manager!) https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/privacy-manager-salary-SRCH_KO0,15.htm

Other Examples from job boards (those links won't last forever) https://www.cwjobs.co.uk/job/manager/lawrence-harvey-job81142504 https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=719fa268e444296d&from=serp&vjs=3 https://www.markssattin.co.uk/job/data-privacy-manager-jobid-dataprivzf0612zfjg https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?jk=9af836893413d0dc&tk=1ccanqu5t0m9358n&from=serp&vjs=3 https://job-openings.monster.co.uk/Manager-Cyber-Privacy-London-London-EN-UK-E-Y/31/b84474d8-a8ce-441e-ac5d-71b9faf1c5bb http://www.timesjobs.com/job-detail/it-telecom-software-job-in-motorola-mobility-inc-belgium-jobid-h6XFNofp3Y5zpSvf__PLUS__uAgZw== http://jobs.jobvite.com/careers/ringcentral/job/oT5Z6fwN?__jvst=Job%20Board&__jvsd=Indeed

Hope this will give you a better perspective, sorry for being lenghty.

178.248.249.175 (talk) 07:57, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

:) BigSugarDaddy 05:35, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

Request on 20:31:30, 4 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by Manuelpm1977


Hi, I tried to publish the English entry of a Scholar who already has an entry in Spanish and it was rejected. Please could you reconsider to publish the English version of it?

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clifford_Graf

Manuelpm1977 (talk) 20:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

spamming that is really really rude

are you trolling me? Flylikeaneagle69 (talk) 06:24, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

please help me with my new page

lets start over, can you help me with my new page - what is an example of a good source for utan vicitims of crime ? !!!!Flylikeaneagle69 (talk) 06:28, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

08:30:03, 5 May 2018 review of submission by Hans thore smedbold


Thank your for your comments and advise. I´m currently at the board of both IOHA and OHTA and we have in the board this week discussed the need to increase the visibility of our organisations. One actions is to create a Wikipedia page. The text was ment as a place holder, for a more detailed article about our association. Therefore using material from our own web page was not considered being a violation of the copyright. However, I will both review and enlarge the article in the comming weeks.

To be accurate and transparent there will be similarities between the wiki page and our associations web page. I hope this will be within the guidelines.


Hans thore smedbold (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2018 (UTC)

Vetting or other curation of wikipedia knowledge

Thank you Curb for your guidance to us wikipedia newbies. I will start to work on the federated identity article for including much of the info in my original artcile, but it will substantially change the flow of that article (as well as prune dead artifacts currently in it). If those changes generates disagreements, how and where will that be expressed? Secondly, at some point is there a way to indicate that some set of "domain experts" have vetted the topic? I intend to get a number of the key federated identity developers to review the article when finished, and would like to add that element of trustworthiness to the article. Kjklingenstein (talk) 23:27, 7 May 2018 (UTC)kjklingenstein

@Kjklingenstein: these are good questions. Wikipedia editors are encouraged to be bold. You should dive in and make the improvements that you think should be made to the article. You should not be offended though if others subsequently revert or change your edits. They should provide a rationale for doing so in their edit summary. It is important to not get into an edit war where two or more people continually change each other's edits. Instead, if you don't like what someone's done to your edit you should discuss it on the article's talk page. See WP:BRD for how to reach consensus. If an edit you want to make is likely to be controversial or major then proposing the changes on the talk page should be your first step. There will be other editors with an interest in the subject that have the article on their watchlist and they'll see your changes and will contribute to the discussion if they want to. You should join in the discussion with an aim of achieving WP:consensus.
The 'trustworthiness' of a Wikipedia article is based on citations. Wikipedia isn't a repository for original thought, so any claims or statements made should be backed up by a reference to a book, journal, newspaper article or reliable web site where readers can check that what has been written on Wikipedia is likely to be factual. This is rather than writing things like "according to domain experts" or "experts agree that..." - such statements would be quickly challenged and probably deleted. See also Help:Referencing for beginners.
Good luck!
Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:44, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Not sure what to do

Hello! Recently my draft article Park Ji-min (BTS) was rejected due to the fact that another draft existed waiting to be reviewed. You recommended that I merge my draft with the other one: Draft:Park Jimin (artist). I proceeded to the other page to do just that, however I discovered that the other draft was rejected on 22 July of 2017 because another draft Park Jimin (musician) was waiting to be reviewed. (what a trail to follow lol) I went to that page to then merge my draft only to find that it doesn't actually exist. What would you recommend I do? CazzaaaAAAAAAAhhh (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2018 (UTC)

@CazzaaaAAAAAAAhhh: there have been several attempts to create a stand-alone article about Park Ji-min. However the consensus of other editors is that he's not notable other for being part of BTS. See the discussions at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Park Ji-min (born 1995) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Park Ji-min (BTS). So if you are going to press ahead and try to create a new stand-alone article then you'd need to be able to clearly show that he has become notable in his own right. It might be, for instance, that has also become a successful solo artist with his own albums in the charts, or he might have become a film actor or TV presenter. If there's nothing like that then I suggest you expand the BTS (band) article instead. For example, if you have more information about how Park came to join the band (and you can back itr up with references) then you could expand the history section. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:Matt Briglia

Actually, about Draft:Matt Briglia, what you described was Matt's company channel. His personal channel is at https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCfSX3cB8NjxuRCEbB6YVPbw. Oh, and you can also look at his musical.ly here[1]. 108.24.75.44 (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.musical.ly/h5/share/usr/188549403656511488.html

17:04:37, 27 May 2018 review of submission by 80.76.166.229


Hi, Thanks for your review, i highly appreciate that. This is his google scholar link: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=DOb6ecEAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao In Bangladesh there are many academic, who does not publish a lot. However, they have a significant contribution in their field. He has significant contribution in Academy and the institution he has been serving is a multinational institution. In my option, he deserves to be notable.

Thanks again. 80.76.166.229 (talk) 17:04, 27 May 2018 (UTC)

Request on 15:48:15, 30 May 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by 190.221.61.138


Hi. kindly asking for more detail on how much coverage sources are needed. E.g I could add youtube VEVO channel, spotify page, itunes, magazine interviews... thanks


190.221.61.138 (talk) 15:48, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

No, those things will not help. Those are all self-published. You need to add references to newspaper articles about the band written by a journalist, magazine reviews from a recognised music magazine, etc. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Westcliff School of Skills

Good day Curb Safe Charmer

I respect your decision to possible delete my article. I however would like to have it remained. My reasons are: It has coverage in: • Newspapers • Published history books • Government related websites Furthermore the school has been involved in a movie issued in 2010. The school has a history and has been in existence for 65 years.

Your kind consideration would be appreciated

Regards

User:Barry Ne

@Barry Ne: thanks for your message. I can see from your editing history that you've made a lot of constructive contributions to Wikipedia in the short time you've been here - thank you for those. Hopefully you've read and accept that Wikipedia doesn't have articles on every subject. There are criteria that we use to determine which subjects have articles about them, and which do not. You'll have seen, for instance, that your draft about Kenridge Primary School is unlikely to be accepted, because the consensus of the Wikipedia community is that primary schools are generally not considered notable. Looking at that particular draft, you've included a range of references. References are needed both to enable the reader to check that the information is factual, and to establish notability. As anyone can edit Wikipedia articles, it is possible that someone introduces information that is not correct, and the references are really important to show where the information was sourced from. Anything without a reference is liable to be challenged and possibly deleted. However taking them each in turn, the references you've included are useful for establishing verifiability but of no value in showing notability. The first two references are sourced from the school's own website, and that isn't an independent source. References 4 through to 9 are about people who attended the school, rather than about the school itself, so they fail to provide sufficient depth of coverage about the school.
When you draft a new article, before you start you should collect a list of the references you plan to use and then assess each one against the criteria, which are usefully explained in this essay. You should only proceed with investing time in the draft if it will satisfy those requirements. Otherwise your draft will be declined and never make it into the encyclopedia.
Back to you your message, having coverage in newspapers is good, but the coverage has to be written by editorial staff and not based on material that the school has provided. There has to be sufficient depth of coverage, so if the newspaper article is about how some students took part in a fund raising event, for example, that's not sufficient depth of coverage about the school. Being mentioned on a government website isn't helpful if every school is listed and if the listing provides insufficient depth of coverage e.g. only contact details. Having been in existence for a long time isn't one of the criteria we consider when reviewing an article. For example, the ground beneath my feet has been in existence for millions of years but there's no Wikipedia article about it.
Being in a movie doesn't make something notable. Otherwise we'd have an article on every actor who has ever been in a movie. There's specific guidelines for which actors we write about - see WP:NACTOR. So the school being featured in a film isn't enough. It might be if the film was about the school.
A published history book might be a good source, as long as there's sufficient information in the book about the subject. Ideally, try to find an online copy of the book so others can verify the information. But the book doesn't have too be online. It is useful to list the page numbers of the reference so that anyone who gets a copy of the book can find the information.
Unfortunately one reference isn't enough - you need multiple references in different sources.
Please have a thorough read of WP:NCORP to understand these requirements further. These things are really important to thoroughly understand so that you can be a really productive Wikipedian.
Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice

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Arrion Springs Draft Rejection

Hey Curb Safe Charmer, Earlier you rejected a draft for an Arrion Springs article. Your reasoning was, and I quote, "...a professional league player is presumed notable if they've played in at least one regular or post season game, but from my understanding that's not the case for Springs. He's a rookie and hasn't played for the Chiefs yet." If that is the case, then how come other rookies (drafted and undrafted) have their own articles? If you want to check, there are other undrafted rookies like Eddy Wilson (American football) or even Spring's teammate Malik Reaves. While I admit that the article needs more sections and detail, it should at least be passed as an article first. AntonLeGo (talk) 19:36, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

@AntonLeGo: please read Wikipedia:Other stuff exists. In these two examples, I think they fail the WP:NSPORT criteria and I have tagged them as needing review. Regarding your draft 'needing more sections' I recommend against adding content to an article that doesn't meet the notability requirements as you may be wasting your time. It would be better to focus on referencing instead. Take a look at this essay for advice on how to do this. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:55, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: I looked at the WP:NSPORT criteria for American football athletes and while Springs does not meet the first criterion, he technically does meet the second, since he earned a 2017 All-PAC-12 Honorable Mention. Also, at the beginning of the article, it reads, "Please note that the failure to meet these criteria does not mean an article must be deleted; conversely, the meeting of any of these criteria does not mean that an article must be kept. These are merely rules of thumb which some editors choose to keep in mind when deciding whether or not to keep an article that is on articles for deletion, along with relevant policies and guidelines..." Perhaps you need to loosen your criteria a little. Also, if you had your way, almost every rookie in the NFL this year would have their article deleted, as their pages resemble the examples that I shared with you. On the flip side, thank you for the other links, they will help me improve Spring's article. AntonLeGo (talk) 20:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@AntonLeGo: the criteria have been established by consensus of many editors over a number a years. They are regularly refined as necessary. Reviewers apply the current criteria.
Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. This means that there will only be an article on a subject some time after other multiple reliable, independent publications such as national newspapers have covered a subject in depth. If there's very little coverage on a subject in those publications then there won't be an article about it on Wikipedia. Often it is WP:TOOSOON for an article about something. For these football players, I recommend you wait until their career is more developed and there's plenty coverage elsewhere. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: Look up Arrion Springs on Google and click on the "News" tab. There are plenty of news articles about him, so media coverage is not an issue. While I disagree with your views on notability, I'll take your advice to heart. Have a great day. AntonLeGo (talk) 20:37, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

Fellows & Sons

Hi Curb

Thanks for your comments on my edits for Fellows & Sons and the creation of the article Fellows Auctioneers.

I am sorry if I have gone about it in the wrong way, i thought that by stating my job title and employer in my edits, I was adhering to the terms of use.

If I use - {{paid|employer=Fellows Auctioneers}} in the future, is this allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandra Whittaker (talk • contribs) 12:51, 11 June 2018 (UTC)

@Alexandra Whittaker: yes, you need to put that on your user page. Also, you need to add a declaration to the talk page of any article you contribute to where you may be conflicted due to your employer, starting with the draft you created. Here's an example. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:55, 11 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: ok. Thanks. I will do that now. Can I delete the draft? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandra Whittaker (talk • contribs) 11:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)


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Help much appreciated

Hi Curb, Thank you for reviewing my recent article. I would really appreciate any help you can offer in getting the article approved. It was my opinion that the submission was completely unbiased and was based on other published leasing companies in the field to ensure this unbias and make as useful as possible to Wikipedia readers. The references are well-regarded media publications that I believed were helpful to the article, please let me know if this is wrong, as I said, I based it on other similar entries that are published. Many thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmilyJBray10 (talk • contribs) 10:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

@/EmilyJBray10: before we talk about the article and whether it reflects a neutral point of view or not, you first need to address the message I left on your talk page. When you submitted the draft, you agreed "By publishing changes, you agree to the Terms of Use". Those terms of use include a section prohibiting 'paid contributions without disclosure'. I believe you've not complied with those terms. Please do so now. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:09, 6 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer:Hi Curb, thank you for the advice. I do apologise, this is my first Wikipedia page (though I hope the first of many where I can add value) and I was unaware of how to do this. I hope I have rectified this properly, but do let me know if it's incorrect. Really appreciate it.
@EmilyJBray10: good. Yes, you've done that correctly. You also need to add a template to the talk page of the article you've created / contributed to. I have now done this for you at Draft talk:Arval UK. Please also remember to sign your talk page posts - see Wikipedia:Signatures for how to do this. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: Thank you, I really appreciate it. What do I do next? EmilyJBray10 (talk) 15:12, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
@EmilyJBray10: as I wrote in the comments when I declined the draft earlier this week, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. It isn't a business directory. So you need to demonstrate why Arval is a subject that should be included in an encyclopedia. An article about BNP belongs in an encyclopedia as it is one of the world's largest banks. We don't decide whether to include an article about BNP based on its turnover, amount of deposits, or number of staff though. Instead, we look at the quality of the coverage of the company in reliable, independent publications. This includes national newspapers, books, academic journals, and websites that have content written by editorial teams. The BMP article has 58 references, but it is not so much about the number than it is about quality. The number does have some importance - we'd expect 3 or more references. But those references need to be from independent, reliable publications that have covered the company in depth. 'Independent' excludes any material that is mostly based on anything the company has written about itself - e.g. through a press release, or anything on the company's own website. 'In depth' excludes any material that is routine in nature such as a listing in a trade directory, or a regulatory filing, an announcement of financial results, appointment of a new chief executive, etc. If you have read WP:NCORP as recommended then you'll have seen there's more detailed definition there.
Since you've declared that you have a vested interest in promoting Arval, and since Wikipedia isn't intended for promotion of any kind, you'll inevitably find that the level of scrutiny of this article is more than experienced by other, non-involved editors. Ultimately, if reviewers conclude that an article about Arval doesn't belong in Wikipedia then it will be deleted. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: Thank you for the advice. I'll try my best. I genuinely do believe this page is of benefit and have tried to ensure it's unbiased as I fully appreciate Wikipedia guidelines. I believe that if a few leasing companies are listed on Wikipedia then, to give users a fair and equal chance to read about all leasing companies, this is an important page to have live. I'll review the entry in full. Thanks again. EmilyJBray10 (talk) 12:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
@EmilyJBray10: it doesn't quite work like that. Unbiased is not enough. The article has to be about a notable subject. Wikipedia isn't about everything. Nor does it need an article about every example of a thing. See WP:ALLORNOTHING. If Wikipedia was a directory then yes, it could have an article about every company within a sector for fairness, but it is absolutely not a directory. And it is up to the consensus of other editors, not up to you as a PR agency, to decide if this is "an important page to have live". Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:53, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: I do appreciate all of that, I only meant that I can't see how it isn't notable if others in the sector are listed where I have included similar information as a comparison. Arval UK serves over 160,000 drivers in the UK with people searching the brand countless times each day. I'm trying my best to comply with Wikipedia code and just will hope that it is accepted on grounds of an encyclopedia entry as it is intended. PR is absolutely not the purpose of this page, for what it's worth. EmilyJBray10 (talk) 13:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
@EmilyJBray10: as you'll see at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/LeasePlan UK, just because an article exists in Wikipedia doesn't mean it should. In this case, I nominated the LeasePlan UK article for deletion and it has since been deleted and instead is now a redirect to the multinational parent company. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:49, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

Notability and acceptance

Good day Safe Charmer

Kindly read my response in a positive way as I am respectful towards any reviewer (always been and have great appreciation for the voluntary work they do)

What is the definition of notability? Should one target an author of an article? Should one look at the author or the article?

Unfortunately there are people who take Wikipedia as a source self-up liftment. Unfortunately there are articles that have been accepted with one or no source. That doesn’t make once own article acceptable.(One wrong does not make one right) These articles with no or little references should be targeted.

Newspaper articles or citations are difficult. Did the person or institution provide the information? Did the journalist write the article because it was really notable?

If a guy that, for example came third in a major sport event but got major coverage, is included but not the guy that won or even came second, because they got less coverage?

True there is also false news. That makes it even harder.

Then there are authors that are active and those that are less active. If you are active you should be evaluated on article and not on activity.

For editors or reviewers it’s also difficult to be experts on all subjects. This is where objectivity plays a role; much more has to be done on an unknown subject than on a known subject.

My whole story is just to get at the ground rules, which are at most difficult. One has to remember that this is an encyclopedia.

My belief is that:

• Lay down the ground rules for an subject.

• Evaluate the article based on the ground rules.

• Reject or accept the article on the ground rules.

An author which article does not comply should then accept the declination. I belief Wikipedia is a living encyclopedia and would love to be part of its growth. Ethical intent should be number one obviously based on facts and sources

Barry Ne (talk) 18:05, 18 June 2018 (UTC)

@Barry Ne: the problem here is that you have created your own set of notability criteria. They bear no resemblance to the set of criteria established by community consensus. Your articles have references but those references do not meet the criteria because they do not provide substantial coverage about the school (not about the alumni or faculty) from reliable, independent sources (i.e. not published by the school itself, or the school board), published in secondary sources. Those are the ground rules, and you're not following them. I would like to see you accept them and follow them in future so that you can be a great contributor here. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:59, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: I accept that and would apply that in future. I understand that we want to have quality articles in Wikipedia. Thank you Barry Ne (talk) 03:57, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Uplands College

Hi Safe Charmer

With no malicious intend how is Uplands College notabible? I am not an administrator but would like to nominate it for deletion

Barry Ne (talk) 19:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

@Barry Ne: I agree that this looks like a subject that does not meet the notability guidelines. The article was created twelve years ago, when the notability criteria were less stringent. It is no doubt one of many such articles about non-notable secondary schools. It is not a justification for keeping new articles, but neither would it be welcomed to try to weed out all the non-notable old ones.
Any editor can nominate an article for deletion. You do not need to be an administrator. Be sure though to thoroughly read about the deletion process and how to nominate an article for deletion. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

AfD on StuMagz

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Greetings. You moved over to that AfD comments made by various editors in the Talk page of the contested article. I'm not aware of a Wikipedia policy that allows this. We have only the likes of WP:AFDFORMAT. In fact, I find that what you did distorts the conversation; it's like drafting editors up for participation. (Note that, at least so far, I have not made any suggestions of my own in the conversation.) If there is a policy allowing what you did, please point it out. If there is not, I believe the comments must be deleted. Take care. -The Gnome (talk) 13:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

@The Gnome: these are new editors, participating in their first AfD discussion. They clearly thought that the talk page was the place to discuss the nomination, rather than the project page. I suppose that is not an unreasonable assumption for a newcomer. The intention of the AfD is for experienced editors to discuss the article, and equally for involved editors to respond and explain why they believe the article should be kept. Regardless of whether it is kept or deleted, it provides a learning experience for the author - they become aware of the notability criteria, and how to participate in discussions. Those editors had already written their comments on the talk page - I have not invited any editors who had not already expressed their opinion to do so, so this is not canvassing.
I do not believe that there are any policies or guidelines on this scenario - either that support what I did, or that say not to do it. In the absence of such a guideline, I believe my action was in keeping with the aims of the project. To undo the move would damage the threaded conversation as others have since contributed to the discussion. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Sorry but the appropriate course was not to move comments from another page to the AfD page, but to inform the editors who commented on the Talk page that, if they wanted, they could participate in the AfD. And you could also provide a link. What you did is not permitted by any Wikipedia policy of which I'm aware, and it is highly irregular. Imagine the situations that could develop if such a practice was allowed in AfDs, importing comments from here and there, under any justification/pretext, and the controversies that would flare up. Please do the right thing and delete them, asap. (No need to revert anything. simply delete the comments. Then, alert the editors about the ongoing AfD.)
The relevant Wikipedia policy here is WP:TALKO: Editors are not allowed to mess with other people's contributions that have appeared in Talk pages. We are allowed to quote from other editors' text but posting up the text in some other forum as if the original editor posted it up there is creating an impostor post. It is messing with other people's text quite blatantly. -The Gnome (talk) 07:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
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==answer from Nejaby Nejaby (talk) 17:06, 28 July 2018 (UTC) I didn't intentionally delete and thought I had restored it immediately (which is why I didn't add comment). You must have got there pretty quick! I was trying to delete the external link to Wendy Tuck and add the new link to her new page. Sorry about that, hopefully the new page makes up for the mistake. ;)

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You annoyingly keep obstructing my contribution

I'm really trying to contribute to wikipedia, but you keep blocking my first article. There are thousands of articles with less or worse sources than mine. My goal is to contribute, not to do a perfect article. I am trying to improve and expand articles related to my country. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markman 12-123 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

@Markman 12-123: I am sorry that you feel frustrated. However the "Articles for Creation" process is designed to prevent unsuitable articles from being added to Wikipedia. The criteria for what is suitable and what is unsuitable have been agreed by community consensus. AfC volunteers, of which I am one, simply implement those standards. Some subjects have specific criteria agreed for them, and where there are no such criteria, the general notability criteria apply. In the case of this article, the community has agreed these criteria (or Wikipedia:Notability (media)#Newspapers, magazines and journals) for which newspapers and periodicals should have an encyclopedia article about them, and which should not. Please familiarise yourself with these. If you can improve the article to meet those criteria then great, your contribution will be most welcome. If, however, the subject doesn't meet those criteria then there's no place for an article about it here. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 07:51, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for un-Drafting Ja'Ron

He keeps popping up, so I think you were right to do all that work (that would have taken me weeks of figuring out how to do it). My ISP keeps shifting my Internet address, but I went back and found your note, then answered the survey. The footnote on your talk page bothered me so I attempted to isolate it. - 173.20.155.123 (talk) 00:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Silk_Mandarin

Can you please review this page. as it is as one of the few schools in Jing'an District, apart fropm EasyMandarin, which has a wiki page. After publication I hope to complete with an education section on Jing'an and list all the schools.

HanyuSP KaoS (talk) 01:59, 7 September 2018 (UTC)hyskps

Please note my comments on Draft:Silk Mandarin and its talk page. I follow Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers when I have time to respond, and have some connection.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 21:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

List of people from Jersey

I am working on the List of people from Jersey and on Jersey in general. I see your remarks on your user page and your essay on YouTube people. I will read about sleep on that subject, as I uncertain about it.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 21:15, 10 September 2018 (UTC)


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Leopold Mozart Centre was a long ugly red link, so I translated from German, just for beauty. Tag it no inline, but there's an official website for a university type organisation. You can also look for refs, - I have no time, sorry. Just curious: for whom do you add such tags? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

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Thanks for requesting a revision deletion at Rebecca Alexander. I can sort out which versions need to be revision deleted but if you could identify a link to the source that would be helpful.--S Philbrick(Talk) 18:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

@Sphilbrick: If you can see my edit to that article at 14:05 UTC today, that has the URL in the copyvio tag. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:53, 19 November 2018 (UTC)‎
Actually, the revdel has been done and the actioning admin wrote the URL in their edit summary: http://www.rebalexander.com/not-fade-away.html Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:56, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, settled.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

rejection for my post

Hi, my 2 wiki was rejected just now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:LEAP_Market and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Red_Ideas_Holding_Berhad and have another one pending for review https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cloudaron_Group_Berhad. Is it possible to let me know the reason the 2 articles was rejected? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:LEAP_Market for instance, it's a new topic about the stock exchange in Malaysia, if you refer to wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MESDAQ , this is the second board which was accepted with no reference at all. It was accepted and the reviewer hoping that someone can expend the content. LEAP Market is something new and i believe many people is interested in this topic. At least with the information i provide, someone can expend it rather that totally decline something that is useful. As for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Red_Ideas_Holding_Berhad, this is the first 2 company that was listed and i think most of the people will need to know what kind of business can be listed in this new stock exchanges. Please let me know and Thanks in advanced.


— Preceding unsigned comment added by Inblues (talk • contribs) 07:58, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Inblues: Did you read the reason for rejection, which appears at the top of the draft and also on your talk page? Please read WP:NCORP. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

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Request on 16:19:51, 26 November 2018 for assistance on AfC submission by GarretBever



GarretBever (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Curb Safe Charmer,

I apologize for the delayed response. Thank you for the valuable feedback about my first major entry. I would like to contribute to more topics in the future so I value the information you provided.

In your feedback, you mentioned that the references used for my submission did not show significant coverage (reliable secondary sources). I did try to mainly include third party press releases , as well as link the relevant terminology to other Wikipedia articles. Any suggestions or tips about this would be greatly appreciated.

This will allow me to correctly remove/ replace those sources, reword the material, or find stronger sources. ( whichever you think that I need ) I am in fact not being compensated by this company to create this article. The reason this topic interested me is because I often find myself reading Wikipedia entries about a business before I use them. I have not used this business and I am not a customer either. I thought this would be a fun and easy way to build a catalog of useful content for the site. I really tried to create an objective and history based piece of content, so I’m not entirely sure which part of the content exactly hints to that, but most likely that portion should be changed as well whatever it may be. I don’t believe I included any direct links to the site, I was pretty sure that was not required, and not allowed.

I look forward to your response.

Best, Garret Bever GarretBever (talk) 16:19, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

@GarretBever: thanks for your message. On the subject of notability, please thoroughly read WP:NCORP to understand the Wikipedia community's guideline on which companies should have an article about them in Wikipedia, and which should not. As you'll see, there are several criteria that we use to assess the extent to which other publications have already written about a company. At the moment, the sources are either press releases - which fail the 'independent source' test, or in the case of the cbsnews.com piece are clearly written by the CEO, so that's not independent either.
Regarding your reason for creating the article, a Google search for your name suggests that you are an employee. If this is the case then you have a clear conflict of interest and must declare it. There are specific processes to be followed by people with a conflict of interest to ensure that Wikipedia articles remain accurate, impartial and objective. You may not be the only person in the world with your name, and you could claim to be a completely different person, but the chances of someone with your name coincidentally being identical to an employee of the first company you've chosen to write about seem unlikely to me. You are best to 'come clean' if you are indeed an employee. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:32, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

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Channel Islands and London

Last June I went to Jersey for three days, not long enough, but I hope to return in the spring of 2018. I spent a fortnight in London then.

I have been working on Jersey and the Channel Islands all year, and I see your contributions there.

I am not sure where you are located now, but with the Internet we are all deigital neighbors. Are you open to working with me on these subjects?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 17:25, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

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Something smells in general with this editor's edits. Recently they've been cramming Norwegian language stuff into articles about Shetland - also a pastime of Special:Contributions/185.49.74.145, who also likes to fiddle about with the leads of articles about places in London. Both of them seem very keen to plug various kinds of separatism (eg changing "British" to "English", "Cornish", "Yorkshireman"). Worth keeping an eye on? Pinkbeast (talk) 12:43, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

@Pinkbeast: I've raised this at ANI. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:34, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks. Thanks a bunch. If possible, I'd like to, and do believe necessary, add his photo with his sax we took back in 1960. I "own" the picture (he passed away last year), and have all of his stuff (to include his horns even). I have also clip(s) of him playing- (I have the master acetates), and again, I provide to others and they credit me "courtesy of Martin Willis"...if possible, I would at least like to add his photo. Folks over in his European Fan Clubs and here in Memphis will tear-up even. Wmwillis3 (talk) 22:21, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

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Thanks! I got a few accepted. I can use them to help visualize the words now. A picture or two will complete this bio- and help a couple other Wiki-pages. Win-win for all. BTW, I used MLA 8.0-format for citing (and mirrored another's also t double check). I can adjust. Wmwillis3 (talk) 23:34, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Curb Safe Charmer Ref: the Jordan-Pooley-Farrar affair I was trying to take a nap, and the thought rolled over in my head. The title is non descrip... meaningless, unless you knew about it. For the sake of clarity I think it should be named something like the Cecily Jordan-Greville Pooley Dispute. It is more than account of a breach of promise suit. It is a first stone cast in the pond for women's suffrage and equal rights. For the first time in history the woman was the defendant in a breach or promise case. (Equality is not a one sided issue). But the whole affairs shines a light on the societal and legal attitude towards women. Where women are simply the property of men, and have limited rights. When you moved it did you also delete the Heading Aftermath. I believe that it also important and should be expanded, as regards the societal impact. Of course WP does not permit going off on a lecture or off the rails and that can be taken into account. Finally the template is no longer appropriate and should be removed. Such a template does not belong in mainspace, and the issues raised have been addressed and corrected. What do you think?Oldperson (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Matthias Grob page

We have added multiple references to this page, can it be reinstated on Wiki? If not, what else needs adding?

Thanks ;) Robinsonnick (talk) 10:04, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

@Robinsonnick: The Grob article currently fails to meet the WP:NMUSICBIO or WP:GNG criteria. Please read those, and consider whether there are further sources that clearly show how he meets those criteria. Also, who is 'we'? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Jordan Pooley Farrar affair

@Curb Safe Charmer: Thank you for your edits on the Jordan Pooley Farrar affair. The name of the article has been bugging me. It just doesn't seem descriptive. I would like to move it to the Cecily Jordan v Greville Pooley dispute. What do you think?Oldperson (talk) 15:14, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

Curb Safe Charmer On reflection I think a rationale is needed for change of name of article. By analogy A notable dispute between Jones v Smith when Jones inadvertently threw a baseball through Smiths window. Would the incident be referred to as Jones Smith baseball affair? I think not. Besides there is no information in the last name only. However a Cecily Jordan v Greville Pooley dispute does provide information. What do you thinkOldperson (talk) 15:32, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

The Return of Cicely Jordan Farrar

Hi Curb Safe Charmer, I guess this is related to the preceding. (Are we all getting tired of Cecily yet?) As you know, I've been trying to salvage the Cecily Jordan Farrar article from the redirect. I consulted with[[u|the road is long}}, as he mentioned the draft idea and asked him to look over the draft, which he did. But I didn't originally think you would care, as you seemed focus more on the Jordan/Pooley article. But, I could've brought you in as well, since you put the redirect out there in the first place.

First, I'm glad you took a look at the article, and thanks for your edits. It felt like you were okay with the latest, even though it's a radical revision. Also, I saw you even put a link to the Cecily Jordan Farrar article in the Jordan/Pooley. That felt like a compliment. Thank you again!

Here's where I'd like to consult with you again. Right now, I am trying to work with the admin to remove the redirect. Are you okay with that? Also, I'm asking the admin who take care of speedy deletions for help to get the redirect removed, but this is a strange case. The links built to the old article mainly point to a biography. Any links to the new one will be pointing toward a legal case, I think. Any advice for how to get this all sorted so the two articles can go their separate ways? To my mind, they have become quite separate. Thanks!Wtfiv (talk) 04:18, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

It's fixed. Thank you very much!Wtfiv (talk) 07:07, 23 January 2019 (UTC)


Why is it when I googled Cecily Jordan Farrar, the dispute page came up? (ecily Jordan v. Greville Pooley dispute. I thought it was because both articles had a main article redirect. Changing the Cecily Jordan Farrar redirect to see also did not help. thanksOldperson (talk) 05:23, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Oldperson , I'm glad you are interested in this issue too, but its been fixed, the redirects have all been accounted for- kudos to the WP admin team Wtfiv (talk) 07:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

The Channel Island English article notices.

Thank you for notifying me about the article being discussed at Wikipedia:No original research/Noticeboard, which is about Channel Island English. I have indeed been working on articles about the Channel Islands, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark, and other islands in the waters near Normandy, France. My question to you is who is notified by you or others about that discussion. I can see that some editors who worked on that aarticle are not notified on their talk pages. --Dthomsen8 (talk) 04:39, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@Dthomsen8: When starting a discussion on the OR noticeboard there's no obligation to notify an involved editor unless they are named in the discussion. I took the additional step of notifying the main contributors to the page. There was no point notifying someone whose contribution was minor e.g. fixing formatting or adding to categories. Nor was there any point notifying editors who are no longer active. Regardless, the issue is now resolved as someone has found a range of reliable sources, which I have added to the article. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
This is the first time I have even seen this OR notice board, so I am glad to learn about it, and to see it was so quickly resolved by you. Good work, Curb Safe Charmer.--Dthomsen8 (talk) 13:59, 4 February 2019 (UTC)
Will you remove the tags on this article, now that there are good references added?--Dthomsen8 (talk) 17:33, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

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Javier Martín-Torres

Hi Curb, I receive this message from you:

"Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions, such as the edit you made to Javier Martín-Torres, did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 13:00, 1 February 2019 (UTC)"

I would like to know in what sense my recent contributions of Javier Martin-Torres were no constructive because I try to change the previous version of the text according to the Wikipedia policies and guidelines exactly to solve the issues were indicated:

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. (Learn how and when to remove these template messages) A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. (November 2018) This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject, potentially preventing the article from being verifiable and neutral. (November 2018) This article contains content that is written like an advertisement. (November 2018)

So, I would appreciate so much if your can guide me a little bit about how can I change the existing version for other one which solve the issues detected in the previous one.

Thank you.

Kind regards.

José — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josgor (talk • contribs) 17:42, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@Josgor: hello and welcome to Wikipedia. I reverted your changes to the article for the following reasons:
  • Unexplained removal of content - if you remove content from a Wikipedia article you need to explain the reason in the edit summary. See WP:REMOVAL.
  • Addition of external links in the body contrary to WP:EXT - links to other websites should not normally be placed in the body of the article. WP:EXT provides an explanation of what external links are appropriate and where they should go in the article.
  • Introduction of poor grammar - while I am sure you did so accidentally, you changed 'about the Martian environment' to 'about Martian environment' and you wrote 'atmospheres like those Mars, Venus, and Titan' missing the word 'of' after 'those'.
While you're getting started as a novice Wikipedia editor I would recommend publishing individual small changes to articles rather than several changes in a single edit. You should provide an edit summary for each change - see Help:Edit summary for how and why to do this.
Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 06:37, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi Curb,

I did al the changes you mentioned yet.

Thank you for your help.

Kind regards.

José — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josgor (talk • contribs) 09:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Green Manism

I appreciate you not deleting my article. Do you have any recommendations that would increase my chance of this article being published? I've been trying for awhile but I just don't know what to fix. I thank you for not instantly deleting it, and giving me the opportunity to improve my article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paper Luigi Enthusiast the Second (talk • contribs) 13:24, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Draft Rejected because Reference Behind Paywall; what to do?


Hi @Curb Safe Charmer:

Of this draft, which you rejected: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Michael_Twomey

You said: "I cannot access the Courier Mail reference as it requires a subscription, but the other references do not provide the in-depth, reliable, independent coverage about Twomey necessary for there to be an article about him."

The Courier Mail article has exactly the necessary coverage that you need. It's behind a paywall because lots of newspapers (ie. the credible sources that Wikipedia wants to rely on) have paywalls. Surely there is some way around this? I have an image of the print newspaper; would that help? I can direct you to the journalist's Twitter feed?

Lots of the biggest newspapers on earth have paywalls, but are the height of information creditability. There must be a workaround here.


Siliconemango (talk) 13:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Siliconemango: Sources can be behind a paywall - see WP:PAYWALL - or can indeed be WP:OFFLINE. It makes reviewers work more difficult though, as we have to consider the sources as a whole. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:54, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

anagrams

After reading your explanation of your username I went to this page and discovered one of the anagrams for my name is Royal Relative. I wish I'd known this thirteen years ago, it SO would have been my username. --valereee (talk) 20:42, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

LOL! Nice to virtually meet you, Valereee! You beat me to it, I was about to write a note on your talk page to say hello. Thanks for all you do here on Wikipedia.
and you! valereee (talk) 22:47, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

Request on 23:16:45, 13 March 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by PokeyPuppy


I am wondering what I would need to add to the article to have it submitted?

PokeyPuppy (talk) 23:16, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

@PokeyPuppy: Welcome to Wikipedia. Please start by reading Wikipedia:Your first article. Once you've read it, you can seek further help here. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

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Submission of The Great Adventure by The Neal Morse Band

I do not understand why the page The Great Adventure was rejected. All other albums by Neal Morse and The Neal Morse Band have their own page. Being a part of the WikiProject Progressive Rock group means that we should be promoting all Progressive Rock Artists and their albums. If there is specific content you want me to add in order to have it accepted, let me know. I see other album pages that do not have as much info as this page has. I am going to be adding info to it in the future. Firstlensman (talk) 20:14, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Firstlensman: Just because there are articles about those other albums doesn't automatically mean there should be an article about this one. You shouldn't be 'promoting' anything here. Wikipedia is not for promotion. Please read WP:NALBUM for the applicable inclusion criteria. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:27, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Regarding Sengkang Central Residences

Hi received the message however I am not paid or affiliated in any way when I was writing the write up for Sengkang Central Residences. I'm looking to contribute to the community by writing more articles relating to real estate in Singapore. I'm really passionate about real estate in Singapore hence would love to contribute my skill set to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.228.120 (talk) 20:53, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nicholas Wong SG: Given that you declared here that you are an online marketing and SEO specialist who provides those services to others, I do not believe you. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 20:57, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Not Logged In & Replied

Hi, I do not have multiple accounts. I'm using public wifi and replying to the message on Sengkang Central Residences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholas Wong SG (talk • contribs) 21:06, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

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Request on 15:28:36, 11 April 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Sathya viji


Hi Sir, I have created a page for Saha Nathan. I have added references from multiple sources. I cited from other articles around the web. Could you please guide me in the process on how to make this article better so that it may qualify as a wikipedia article. Sathya viji (talk) 15:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Request on 15:41:23, 11 April 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Sathya viji


Sathya viji (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)Sathya VijiSathya viji (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC) With reference to draft: Saha Nathan I have added sources from multiple websites. Kindly guide me on how to improve this article so that it is eligible for resubmission and acceptance Sathya viji (talk) 15:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC) @Sathya viji: You need to add references that show that Saha Nathan has been written about by others. They must have written about him in depth. They must be independent of him. They must be reliable sources. At the moment, I don't think any of the references meet those criteria. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding my article I created on Kamini Dube

Hey Curb Safe Charmer,

Thank you for reviewing my article. But I cannot understand where I am going wrong with it? Is there anything I am using as citation wrong or false? now even I have kept the article neutral.

Please let me know specifically where I have made the mistake so that I can help contributing about the person I wanna make article of.

Please have a look and revert.

It would be helpful and kind of you if you would specifically mention where I have gone wrong so that I can make the mistake correct. Callmesiddie (talk) 16:06, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

@Callmesiddie: Wikipedia doesn't have articles about every subject. It has criteria to decide which subjects should have an article about them and which should not. There are two sets of criteria that apply to this biography - either WP:FILMMAKER or WP:GNG. Please read both sets of criteria. Your draft has been rejected because the subject meets neither criteria. Please do not resubmit until there is substantial coverage about her (not about the film). Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:25, 30 April 2019 (UTC)



thanks for your valuable review @curb safe charmer, I would like to understand the criteria in a much simpler way, please can u make me understand that? I shall be waiting till the time my article is worth publishing.


Hey Club safe Charmer,

I got another article of mine waiting for the review. Is it possible if you become the volunteer editor to review my article. I can share the link with you. You may find it below. Please have a look and revert asap. Thanks

link : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rashtraputra Callmesiddie (talk) 16:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

about my article on rashtraputra

Hello, Curb Safe Charmer thank you for your feedback on the article, as per your guidance I've made the required changes to the article and resubmitted it. Regards.

Akash Sharma India (talk) 17:38, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Ware Junior Senior High School

Hi Curb. Let me say that I should not have been trying to do serious Wikipedia work given what I had going on in real life at the time - my question about primary sources is a real facepalm moment and I have self-trouted - I know better (as I reminded myself in a GA review I am getting back to where I raised my own primary/secondary concerns). I will also say that while UK/US secondary schools be defacto notable doesn't bother me but I certainly have respect for those for whom it is bothersome - I have my own areas where I am troubled because I know the letter of the PAG back me up on something not being notable but for which it would never go that way at AfD. I also am not a fan of NAC at AfD have left a message for the closure suggesting he not close such discussions. I apologize if you feel I stepped on your toes by accepting an article you had declined - I tend to think that AfC promotes conservative acceptance rates when any prolific AfC reviewer (which I most definitely am not) should have some small percentage of accepts there that end up as deleted articles given the standard of "likely to survive at AfD" not being "will survive at AfD". When I independently come across an article Florida Army has done at AfC, I give a quick look at his talk page to see if there recent declines on there - he's an unusual editor in that he's quite experienced but also required to go through AfC (a restriction I support). Anyhow just wanted to follow up since I was busy as the AfD played out. I hope we have the chance to collaborate together, rather than be at odds, at some point in the future. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 16:54, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: Thanks for your kind message. I am sure we'll collaborate more in the future. I will be steering clear of reviewing schools and Florida's submissions. Thank you for what you do for Wikipedia. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:12, 2 May 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Nicolás Ibáñez Scott

Hi, Curb Safe Charmer!

First thank you for your review about my draft. I would like to know what are those factors on my draft that doesn´t allow to publish, all the information there is true, and there are too many sources of information that support it. I have seen some biographies of similar entrepreneuers that are correct published (like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Rodriguez_(entrepreneur)). Can you help me, please about what factors i have to correct in my draft? Thank you! Best Regards, Davidwriter8 (talk) 09:18, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

@Davidwriter8: Being the owner of this or the president of that are not reasons for inclusion of an article about him in Wikipedia. Nor is being the child of a notable parent. You will need to add references that show that Scott has been written about in depth by multiple independent, reliable publications. The references need to be about Scott, not about his companies. Anything published that is largely based on a company news release doesn't count, nor interviews where Scott talks about himself. See WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO for further information.
The other problems with your draft is that almost all the content is unsourced. You will need to add inline citations that clearly show where the information was sourced from. It isn't sufficient to base the article on your personal knowledge of the person, as readers can't check that what you've written based on your own knowledge is true. If you can't find a source to back up a statement, you'll need to remove it. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)
@Curb Safe Charmer: Hi, Curb Safe Charmer. Thanks for your response. I applied changes on my draft according to your comments (make reliable third-party citations and modify some data). Can you make a review again, please? Thank you again.Davidwriter8 (talk) 10:22, 02 May 2019 (UTC)
@Davidwriter8: This is still a way off being ready for publishing. Other Wikipedia articles aren't considered reliable sources - see WP:NOTSOURCE and the presence of a Wikipedia article about a family member doesn't help demonstrate notability. Three quarters of the draft is unsourced - please read WP:V. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:33, 3 May 2019 (UTC)

Wormwood

This is about WP:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Use of wormwood. Thank you. I have added three more versions of the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:15, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


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WMF at work on NPP Improvements

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Dada Narayan Singh

was not an MLA and the draftification seems good .... Am I missing something? ∯WBGconverse 16:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

@Winged Blades of Godric: After reviewing the page history I now realise I'm wrong on that, and draftication seems appropriate after all. I'll apologise to Masumrezarock100. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
Thanks:-) As to MR, see my last two main-space moves. He has been draftifying anything and everything. The warning was well-deserved.∯WBGconverse 17:08, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Request on 11:20:29, 5 June 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Darren.walker


Hi,

My page submissions was denied as it was believed I was talking undisclosed financial stake for the post however this page was set up as an information page for the company I work for and receive no direct or indirect financial benefit as a result of this. Please could this be rectified and the information page now be published? Thanks.

Darren.walker (talk) 11:20, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

@Darren.walker: You wrote "the company I work for" - that indicates you have a clear conflict of interest and are being paid. You must declare this, as described at WP:PAID. To not do so is a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use. The draft was not declined on the basis of you being paid, but because of the promotional nature of the draft and that the company doesn't meet the criteria for inclusion. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Congratulation Skgacharya (talk) 06:39, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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New Page Review newsletter July-August 2019

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Concept Medical

Hi, page substitution was declined because of less content and referral links. The page Draft:Concept_Medical is having enough content to publish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skgacharya (talk • contribs) 11:42, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Page review

Hi, you started reviewing my resubmitted page a few weeks ago and just wanted to check-in on the status of it. Thanks Vgreco15 (talk) 18:16, 10 July 2019 (UTC)

deletion of Draft:Matthias Grob

Hi! I am worried that this page is going to be deleted soon! its true that most of it is autobiography, please help me out!

it costed me a lot of work and I really tried to gather the correct links to articles that prove what I tell. I am an inventor, engineer and musician, not a writer or researching scientist. I am not good at proving, promoting and selling. I am still very busy to survive, mainly because I spent my best years to create and explain LiveLooping and did not get my share of the huge success it became.

now my points are:

  1. I am mentioned at wikipedia and its sad that the link is red, it would be an improvement to show who I am
  2. I did not start this page but felt the need to correct and complete it. I obviously know more about my life than those who publish what they heard from me or from a friend who therefore would not be considered impartial. most people mentioned in wikipedia are not famous enough to become scientifically researched, yet some information about their lives makes wikipedia richer.
  3. Livelooping changed the way music is created and practiced (just try to list musical inventions that had a stronger impact in the the past 30 years!) and before my LOOP delay, there was not even a tool with the simplest immediate Record function (tap-play-tap-repeat) and I went far beyond that with many other features that became standards or maintain the used price of the 25year old units high.
  4. I do not consider myself a very good musician, but I managed to move a public and since I had prototypes of Livelooping machines working for me about 7 years before anyone else had, I also developed a special music ahead of time - the music that motivated me to take the risk to create the machine! If it's just about following the rules, yes, our Lizard DLP was reissued 20 years later as doubble CD on BlackRills.
  5. my contribution to the unique and very respected guitars of Rolf Spuler at Paradis-guitars: first we created a new kind of pickup and electronics - the sound which then inspired him to create the form. we also created a bass for Ibanez which was reissued this year. I would love to create a page about Rolf, but I am afraid of being trashed again...

I see you have a lot of experience with such situations, so what would you recommend? thank you Matthias — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matigrob (talk • contribs) 14:04, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi there! I have noticed that you have put an Afd template on the page named Advitya (Assamese film), despite of having proper online presence through various e-links. I request you kindly to take back the template away from the page. @Curb Safe Charmer:

In response to this message about Kentucky Housewife

In response to this message . . "Hello, and thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. This is just a note to let you know that I've moved the draft that you were working on to Draft:The Kentucky Housewife, from its old location at User:Iluvwipdia/sandbox. This has been done because the Draft namespace is the preferred location for Articles for Creation submissions. Please feel free to continue to work on it there. If you have any questions about this, you are welcome to ask me on my talk page. Thank you." . . . . . ..I'm really confused as I am new at this. I have finished editing this new article and would like have it considered for inclusion in wikipedia. I thought I had followed the correct process. Please advise on what to do so that "The Kentucky Housewife" is in the queue to be approved. Iluvwipdia (talk) 17:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Guidelines about my article

@Curb Safe Charmer: Hey Charmer This is Robin from magicpin. I am in search of few patterns and changes that I should apply to make magicpin appear on wikipedia. It has been a great journey that magicpin has covered but we are not understanding what exactly you require. The matter of fact is, we are not hiring or paying somebody and to keep the trend safe and clean we are using our own editorials and correct info base to create this page. I hope you would suggest something better as you can log on to https://magicpin.in to know about this company and it credibility.

Thank you and looking forward hearing from you.

@Robinydv: Please read WP:DECLINED. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:12, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Hello Curb,

@Curb Safe Charmer:

Hello Curb,

I am not promoting any company or organization for any single compensation and I down my head if my edits makes you feel like this. Myself Venkatesh from the southern part of India, with keen interest I'm doing agriculture on my own land. I was looking to contribute content to Wikipedia and never succeed. If my writing way is promotional not in the encyclopedic way, sure I will change the way of writing and do please teach us who are willing to contribute. We are trying to give an identity for the companies doing a great job and make the world to know about the company and I believe the only way is Wikipedia. So I am doing edits on these companies located in our local region who are better in serving their customers like a god. So creating a great content with reference for this type of companies is difficult and I almost managed to do that with deep research about the company.

Sure I will resubmit with mentioned non-promotional content and Here, I request you to publish a page which I resubmit an encyclopedic content for your review.

Sincerely, Venkatesh S K

@Venkatesh.S.Kandaswamy: I believe you are selling your services as a copy writer on Upwork. If that is the case, you must declare that you are a paid editor before making any further edits. My message on your talk page explains how to do this. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 12:38, 26 July 2019 (UTC)

Understanding the submission process for my page.

Thank you Curb Safe Charmer for your message about my page submission. I have never created a page on Wikipedia. May I ask what the usual process is, for my page submission. Apart from myself making any future edits to the page. When will/would my page be ready to be published, or is there more I need to do, to help this process?

@TMWD-WIKI: regarding your draft Draft:John Joseph Davis, there are currently 4,278 drafts awaiting review, so yours may take up to two months to be reviewed. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)
@TMWD-WIKI: UPDATE: I managed to get you an expedited review by someone from Wikipedia:WikiProject_Irish_republicanism. They've declined the draft because they couldn't find enough material about Davis to meet the WP:NBIO criteria. If you wish to continue to improve the article and resubmit it for a second review, you'll need to focus on finding other reliable, independent publications that have in-depth coverage about him. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 10:39, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Charles Reid (Painter)

Hello Curb Safe Charmer. Thank you for featuring the Charles Reid (painter) page. I see there is a problem of copyright with my own website yet. As you Know I am the administrator and the owner of http://www.andremehu-aquarelles.com . I'm French artist Andre Mehu, and I'm not a female, Lize is my pseudo and isn't a female's name, and I feature my paintings on my website. First Graeme Bartlett ask me to create a CC License. I did it (CC-BY-SA 3.0) and he moved my article to the draft namespace. Then Anthony Appleyard declined the submission for review because unambiguous copyright infringment , this is why I decided to delete the article-87.php from my website to prove I'm the owner of it. Then Graeme restored the draft and move it on the article space. But now I dont know what to do, there is a pink box above the article. The article-87.php didn't sound encyclopedic this why I had to rewrite it and only kept some elements of it. If you want I can re-upload article-87.php , it is copyleft because I applied the Licence CC-BY-SA 3.0 . I know control is necessary Please could you tell me what to do?

I look forward to hearing from you soon

Regards

--Lize56 (talk) 19:16, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Lize56: While I am not an expert on Wikipedia copyright issues, I think you should restore the page on your site so that the CC-BY-SA 3.0 licence declaration is clearly displayed. This will mean that anyone in the future who questions where the content of the Wikpedia article came from will see that you've licenced it in that way. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 19:24, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Charles Reid (Painter)

Hi Curb Safe Charmer, thank you very much for your reactivity. Will the pink box above the article be deleted when I restore article-87.php on my site? I displayed the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license at the bottom of the page. So I wrote at the head of the page "This article is copyleft, see at the bottom of the page", I wrote the date July 31, 2019 and the hour 23:12 (France). Now the number of the article is 88, as you can see: http://www.andremehu-aquarelles.com/en/article-88.php. I let you verify all is exact. Thank you for you help Curb Safe Charmer.

I look forward to hearing from you soon

Regards

--Lize56 (talk) 21:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Merci

Hello Curb Safe Charmer, I saw in the watchlist that you did a great review of the article Charles Reid (painter). I thank you very much. Please could you tell me why the file "Fullziseoutput 1884.jpg" has been nominated for deletion. I found it on Wikimedia Commons. I'm looking forward to hearing from you soon Thank you very much again Regards --Lize56 (talk) 09:28, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lize56: Sarah Reid has to follow a procedure to properly confirm that she is the copyright holder of the artwork that she took a photo of and as such can 'donate' it for use on Wikipedia. Hopefully she will and then we can continue to have the image in the article. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:11, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Charles Reid (Painter) & Thank you

Hello Curb Safe Charmer, I thank you very much for your support. It's important to find a representative. Actually I don't really know if the article Charles Reid (painter) is in the space where reviewers can let comments and make corrections. I just know some revewers have suggested to correct the style. I did modifications. Do you know how to remove the box? There are mentions "failed verification" on two links I don't understand, both they link to the correct document I want they link to. Please could tell me where out of the draftnamespace is the article ? How do I do to remove the template message, I would like reviewers verify modification I did. Coud you tell me the signification of the mention "Failed verification"

Thank you very much,

Regards --Lize56 (talk) 21:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@Lize56: Now that the article is in 'mainspace' where anyone can see it, more people are helping improve the article so that it complies with various Wikipedia guidelines and follows the manual of style.
'Failed verification' means that an editor has visited the website that you cited and could not find anything there to support the statement that the citation was intended to support. This means that readers can't rely on the statement being true. You can fix this by changing the link to a source that does prove what is written. See Template:Failed verification. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 09:16, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

Merci, and about "Failed verification", Charles Reid (painter)

Hello Curb Safe Charmer, thank you very much for your reactivity. In relation to "failed verification", I think the reviewer has been confused with the term "Zhujiajiao" which appears neitheir in Kelly Kane's article nor in the other link which is in chinese. In fact there are two Shanghai International Biennial. One of them is related to contemporary art and is nammed "Shanghai Biennale", like in French, its link is http://www.shanghaibiennale.org/en/ . The second is nammed differently "Shanghai Zhujiajiao International Watercolor Biennial" and is dedicated to watercolor. Unfortunately this site is in Chinese, without any translation in English, the link to it is https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/nuOlW822FLeh5SYzbd1M3A. Charles Reid's painting is the second of the list when you scroll down. First there is a picture of a clock, then a Charles Reid's signed portrait. This is the only link about this biennial. Kely Kane mentions "Shanghai biennial", she lacks precision, but she uses the term "biennial" which is related to the Shanghai Zhujiajiao International Watercolor Biennial. This is the unique link to this event. I've added categories:Category:National Academy of Design members, Category:American portrait painter, Category:Art Student League of New York Alumni, Category:20th-century American Painter, Category:American male painters, Category:American Illustrators, Category:American magazine illustrators.

I ask for your understanding.

Thank you very much

Regards --Lize56 (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
Thanks so much for fixing the article I drafted. I see that some others too have been working on this article draft. I felt almost bad about all this at some point and now I come back to look at this here and the world is not a terrible place.I read this book when it was mentioned higly in a conference at Balliol College, "history is happening again" said J. L. Nancy of all people. Thank you. Speculative Boting (talk) 15:49, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

thanks for your note

im not sure how to delete my draft page and what the difference is between that and the sandbox.. which is better to have reviewed..

thanks and sorry if these are dumb concerns

please feel free to delete the old one if it will hurry along my new attempts review.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikicalib (talk • contribs) 05:52, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Westcliff school of skills

Good day Curb Safe Charmer

Thank you for your feedback. I have accepted your opinion on Kenridge Primary (as it is a primary school)

Just three comments on the Westcliff School of Skills: 1. Yes a lot of schools are used in a Movie; however this school assist the technical part 2. I have added a section on rugby. I belief this notable – with the high percentage included in the provincial side 3. I have added a rugby player that achieved national colours

Your kind consideration is appreciated Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barry Ne (talk • contribs) 20:31, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Abhinpl

Regarding the draft you moved to draft space, I had moved it off the talk page because it didn't belong there, but there was an earlier draft in another sandbox. Is it okay to just treat that draft as if it is new, instead of keeping it together with the history of the other draft?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:18, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Other than Draft:D.K. Aswal I don't see that there are any other copies of the draft? If it is an earlier version I am not sure why you'd want to keep it and work on it. You can work on either copy, but please blank the one you'll no longer be working on. I hope that answers your question? Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 14:39, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
The other draft is User:Abhinpl/sandbox. That is something you should ask Abhinpl about. All I did was move the draft which was on the talk page so it wouldn't confuse people who were trying to use the talk page for its intended purpose, as I did.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:45, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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