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Hello. I edited the MediaMonks-article in a way that it looks better, in my opinion. Please see if you can agree with that. Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 19:44, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There is no problem with your corrections, but I would not remove citations only to slap on a citation needed template, which strikes me odd and even a bit rude. Why do you feel youtube links are illegible as a reference? If the interview was in textual form the result would be no different. Jane (talk) 00:09, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The problem with youtube-links as citations is that they do not make things notable. Since Youtube has no editorial overview, everybody can put something on youtube and say it is encyclopedia-worthy. Moreover, if you see what nonsense is said in some vids, you can hardly say that Youtube-vids can be considered as a reliable source. That said, please read WP:VIDEOLINK and see if you think that your vids can be seen as acceptable, in spite of what I just wrote here.
And my apologies if my edits looked rude. That was not my intention. Sorry! Regards,Jeff5102 (talk) 08:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the explanation, I get where you are coming from now. I didn't realize you were thinking in terms of notability criteria. To me, if someone is notable in their field, they deserve a Wikipedia article categorized in their field of notability. In this case, we don't have a category for what they claim as their "field" (creative digital production?). However, for film production they have a IMDb number and for advertising & marketing they have the associated FWA, Webby, Cannes Lions, etc awards. I always try to prove notability per category, but the art of "creative digital production" is so new I am not quite sure which authority control I should consult. What they do is considered an art form, but this is not yet recognized anywhere that I can see. In the case of the links, the party that uploaded the Youtube film is relevant. In such cases I prefer to directly link the youtube permalink rather than the owner's website, which may change at any time. Jane (talk) 11:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
All right. I understand your arguments. It wouldn't be my choice, but since I believe that your arguments are valid as well, I'll leave it as you edited it. All the best,Jeff5102 (talk) 13:21, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Art and Feminism Challenge[edit]

Hi. Thank you for your message. I'll participe. I've informed Wikimedia Spain Chapter and Amical as they have Women Month activities too. One thing, I've read somewhere that the challenge is March 7th and 8th. But the main page doesn't say it. So it could well be that I misunderstood something, so if you could tell me in my talk page in Spanish WIkipedia, it would be great. B25es (talk) 18:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful! And thanks for the tip - I will update the page for the timing element. Jane (talk) 18:59, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. As B25es said, he spreaded the word in WMES mailing list. I'll try to participate and promote the contest. And we hope to organise some activity in March. --Millars (talk) 21:02, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That would be great! Thanks, Jane (talk) 21:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Invitation[edit]

Have you heard of the Kaffeeklatsch? It is a test area for women to hear and support each other. The idea came about as a result of a discussion at meta regarding my IdeaLab proposal (yet open) for WikiProject Women.

Now that the klatsch has survived an MfD and WMF legal has said that it does not violate the non discrimination policy,[1] I am looking for women editors who might like to join.

Although I have started a couple of discussions, they are not urgent. For now, the "Please introduce yourself" discussion is more important! I want to take it slow at first and build a small group before trying to address heavy topics or come up with big goals. For now, the klatsch is there as a sort of refuge. I hope you will consider joining, and invite other women editors, too, if you wish. Lightbreather (talk) 22:38, 11 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Gendergap v gender gap[edit]

Re this edit [2]: I personally don't have a strong feeling one way or another, though I do tend to like things standardized. FWIW: WP:GGTF is the "Gender gap task force" and at meta, it's Gender gap. I'm pinging Sarah (SV), since I believe she was the one to organize, create the GGTF. Again, I don't have a strong preference one way or another. Lightbreather (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I was happy to see that most standard publications refer to the "Gender gap" because it makes it easier for searches to zero in on our "Gendergap". This is the term used in the mailinglist and I think we should stick to it, also for foreign language Wikipedias. The term should not be confused with the Gender pay gap. Jane (talk) 20:50, 14 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Miss Bentham[edit]

Hi,

Please would you look over my new article, Miss Bentham? I don't often write articles about individual works, and you'll know what the bast structure is. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:36, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting painting. It's always fascinating to see what the rich & famous found inspiring. I lost hours paging through the Liz Taylor auction. I bet Warhol had a bunch more interesting works by American artists. Jane (talk) 22:06, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. And a foot. Thanks for your edits. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:26, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello to the members of WikiProject Women writers! Victuallers and I have developed a proposal for a talk to be presented at Wikimania 2015. It's titled, How to pick up more women -- as in more women editors and more women's biographies. The proposal review process has begun and there's no guarantee that this proposal will be accepted. That's where you come in. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. Ultimately, we hope you add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal which signifies you're interested in the talk (it does not signify you'll be attending the event). Thank you! Rosiestep (talk) 21:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Barnstar[edit]

The Barnstar of Fine Arts
For all your contributions to articles on the visual arts. Deeply impressive and thank you! Ceoil (talk) 22:03, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Jane (talk) 22:39, 28 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Problem in not getting points.[edit]

Hey Jane Sorry to disturb you again am putting my translated articles with wikidata link on Wikipedia :Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Challenge page but not getting points , would you please help me about what to do ? :( --Sailesh Patnaik  ଶୈଳେଶ (talk) 17:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Saileshpat, Sorry! You are supposed to put the points in yourself - I will just count them up next week. If any of your articles turn into red links (becuse they get deleted by your community) then they won't count, but that is the whole reason I opened the challenge for Wikipedians and not newbies - you are on an honor system here!!!. Thanks for all of your work by the way - I just noticed how productive you have been - wonderful! Jane (talk) 17:06, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vrouwenproject[edit]

As promised in the Dutch "Kroeg" some time ago: nl:Margo Reuten. Culinary artist. Not a clue what the correct place is to notify you of this article The Banner talk 17:17, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wonderful - thanks so much! Ik zet het op de challenge pagina voor je. Jane (talk) 17:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Staat nu hier: Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism/Challenge. thx Jane (talk) 17:29, 7 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Noodkreet: Kun je vrijdag 27/3 11.00 +/- 13.00 editathon helpen?[edit]

Beste Jane,

Bij Boekmanstichting heeft een editathon op de laatste nipper 10 inschrijvingen, kun je helpen? Na inleiding is er praktikum van 11.00 +/- 13.00 uur. Als je (een deel) kunt, graag!! Amsterdam, Herengracht oostkant 415, net boven Koningsplein/boekwinkel Scheltema tram 1/2/5 Excuses voor laat verzoek, groeten, Hansmuller (talk) 11:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hans, sorry maar ik heb een ander afspraak morgen ochtend! Succes, en ik ben wel thuis rond 12.15 ofzo, dus mocht je willen dat ik inbel of meekijk dan kan dat weer wel. Jammer! Jane (talk) 11:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Inbellen enz. te ingewikkeld. Bedankt! Hansmuller (talk) 14:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A barnstar for you![edit]

Mary Wollstonecraft Award
Thank you, Jane, so much for being so quick to respond to my questions regarding generating a women writers' redlinks page via Wikidata, for creating Wikipedia:WikiProject Women writers/Redlinks from Wikidata, and for the detailed instructions on how to update the list. Rosiestep (talk) 16:50, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Jane (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophie Gengembre Anderson[edit]

Hi Jane, I reverted this edit, because the link to the source was removed. I went ahead, though, and returned the wikilink to the author, Ellen Creathorne Clayton. The link to google.books is the exact place (including the page) where the information was found.--CaroleHenson (talk) ~

You can still link to the page that explains the book - Google books is great and a free reference for anyone with internet access, but it is still an external link which costs money for people using Wikipedia Zero. Both are fine to use in the reference. Jane (talk) 17:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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"raadslid"[edit]

Hi Jane, I presume this is what it means - [3]. Please adjust if not, thanks, Johnbod (talk) 14:47, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

yes, very good! I am also pretty sure that St. Luke was the patron saint of the saddlers guild, but I will check later. Jane (talk) 15:42, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK I get what you wrote now. It almost seemed that being a member of the Saddler's guild was unrelated to the profession of painting, but you just linked to the Utrecht guild article which sets that straight. We tend to refer to St. Luke guilds as painter collectives, but of course that became very problematic around the time of the reformation when you couldn't have patron saints for anything. Jane (talk) 07:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Schutterstuk / militia group portrait[edit]

One of many examples on Commons of a "militia group portrait"

Hi Jane, The English term for these is "militia group portrait", which redirects to the same place. This is unambiguous and almost always used in text by native-speaking scholars. I suggest using it as (first time) "... militia group portrait (schutterstuk) ....", then just using the English. Most similar Dutch terms for types of paintings should be treated the same way, though for example Pronkstilleven is harder to find a snappy translation for - "ostentatious still-life" is normally used. This might be put first, before the translation.

I've nominated a renaming for the category: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_26#Category:Schutterstukken. Btw, this classic is fully available online:

  • Alois Riegl, The Group Portraiture of Holland, reprint 2000, Getty Publications, ISBN 089236548X, 9780892365487, first published in German in 1902, fully available online

All the best, Johnbod (talk) 17:24, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nice link! You may also be interested in this link to a "Dutch Group Portraits" exhibition at the NGA. I don't want the Dutch schutterstukken to be re-categorized as "militia" before this subgenre to Dutch Group portraits is fleshed out more on English Wikipedia. I like the term schutterstuk because it is so specific. The problem with "group militia portrait" is that the term is exceedingly broad, with lots and lots of possibilities, including photos. This problem is amplified by the popularity of the Dutch civic guard portrait as a yearly tradition through the centuries up to today (now a club thing, see for example this club website, just one of many). The point of a category is to make things easier to find, not more difficult. These things we are talking about are like the Nightwatch, but represent a painting tradition that was not specifically Dutch (they exist in Germany and France as well) and not specifically militia (sometimes the roll call of the officiers was deliberately switched around to enable the full council to be represented. By Rembrandt's day, most militia members were no longer members of the Amsterdam city council, but this was still the case for smaller towns. Jane (talk) 18:55, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thinking this over, I have no problem with changing the category to "17th-century group portraits from the Northern Netherlands" and putting all the regent portraits in there as well (there is also lots of overlap in the people or family members portrayed per town). There are not that many of articles yet about individual paintings of them, and I think it would be useful to also include 16th- and 18th-century categories eventually. Jane (talk) 07:34, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! sorry. Putting this comment also on the linked discussion. I will try to keep further thoughts there. Jane (talk) 07:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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On Category of Fresco painters[edit]

I still disagree with this category: there are about 3000 Italian painters in Wikipedia from 1500-1800. I suspect over half of them worked on fresco. Many of them worked on sometimes a dozen fresco projects each. For example, nearly all quadratura painters are fresco artists. This category in the last year has only has 200 or so entries, some of them are paintings, others painters.

It has not succeeded nor will succeed in the goal you set forth on the talk page for the category, therefore I will nominate this category for deletion. This will give you a window in which to present a more thorough justification of your goalRococo1700 (talk) 04:28, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I still don't see your problem with this category. What is so harmful about having a category for fresco painters that it must be deleted because of the Italian painters? They are all still categorized as painters, so I guess I still don't follow your logic. Jane (talk) 16:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It is not harmful: it is not helpful, it is not logical, it does not help clarify a useful category. It is clutter. For example, you could make a category of Painters who used a canvas, but really, does that identify a specific group. In the 17th century, many, if not most painters in Italy, my specific choice, painted fresco at some time in their life, I don't think this identifies distinguishing group of painters. You could argue that 20th century fresco painters is an interesting category. But again, I think in other centuries this makes as much sense as the category of canvas painters or brush painters. I have made arguments why this category should not exist, you need to show how this category adds information.Rococo1700 (talk) 03:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I moved the above comments to the category talk page and responded there. Jane (talk) 06:47, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Group portraits[edit]

Hi Jane! I see you've been very busy! For the benefit of the closer, could you clarify how you now feel, about "militia" in particular, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2015_April_26#Category:Schutterstukken? Thanks, Johnbod (talk) 14:10, 21 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Top-importance Yours articles[edit]

Hi Jane, is there a reason to keep the empty category Category:Top-importance Yours articles ? – Fayenatic London 19:35, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No? Jane (talk) 20:14, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK, thanks, I'll tag it for deletion, then. I'll get rid of the red link at the bottom of this talk page too! – Fayenatic London 22:51, 10 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK fine. I never understood either of those categories anyway! Jane (talk) 06:48, 11 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Retiring and closing Kaffeeklatsch[edit]

I will be retiring from Wikipedia soon and wanted to let you know that I am closing down the Kaffeeklatsch. Thanks for expressing an interest in a place for women Wikipedia editors. Sorry I couldn't develop it. Lightbreather (talk) 19:28, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thanks for trying! All the best, Jane (talk) 20:38, 15 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Belgian monasteries[edit]

Thanks for your kind message! I've been working (under various names) on European monasteries and cathedrals for some ten years, but for whatever reason this latest little group of Belgian monasteries has attracted more attention than all the rest put together. But Dutch monasteries need even more work - I may do some of those next! Eustachiusz (talk) 09:47, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're more than welcome. I found your edits on this list: Wikipedia:WikiProject Netherlands/New article announcements which I sometimes click on for inspiration. Judging from your response that list must get lots of hits, because any edits to Belgium will show up there too. I don't know if you're aware that the Belgian content is severely lacking in general across all Wikipedia projects. I am hoping that the new Belgian chapter will help. As far as monasteries go, you are quite correct that there are lots of them that need work. I am not sure why there is no specific project for this, because the monasteries were crucial in the production and dissipation of knowledge, so it's a subject that touches on the basis for Wikipedia's own history. Jane (talk) 10:09, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You may also be interested in this list: User:Jane023/List of abbys, monasteries, convents and cloisters. Jane (talk) 11:08, 24 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link to the above list which is very useful: I've augmented List of Christian monasteries in Belgium from it. As to why there has never been a "monasteries" project, there are several reasons, but mostly (in my experience) because those few editors who are interested in monasteries in any systematic way seem to have such strong opinions on almost all significant matters that they are generally unable to agree on anything! Eustachiusz (talk) 11:17, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said, the original nuns and monks did something similar to what Wikipedia does, so people interested in them are just like Wikipedians - often acrimonious, but otherwise willing to slave away on lists of things few people think about on a daily basis! Jane (talk) 11:42, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your work on that list. It is odd why not all of the items on your list are in mine. The list I have is updated by bot, so the items are assigned a status of monastery, abbey, or some such. These should probably all be unified under some code for religious communal living. Jane (talk) 11:39, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Piet Veerman[edit]

Hi Jane, I have seen your name on Dutch Wikipedia a couple of times (I am Dutch) and so I know that you're a native English speaker. Could I ask you a favour? As a matter of fact, I have written the article of Piet Veerman here in English. Could you please check my English? I know that people generally understand my English, but that an Englishman would say it differently. Would be great if you want to do that. Groetjes, Ymnes (talk) 10:27, 5 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I cleaned it up a bit - what is a golden record exactly? Jane (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, I'm glad you did! In fact nl:Goud (muziek) doesn't exist on English Wikipedia, so I have linked golden now with Music recording sales certification. Thanks for your help! Ymnes (talk) 08:33, 12 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. The problem was not with the bot, but the wikidata item for Clarice Cliff whose occupation was set to category:potters rather than ceramist. The bot should remove the category on the next pass. Jane (talk) 20:07, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Great - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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FYI: I made here some minor changes if you don't mind. Wrote on TP of it as well. Kind regards from Tuscany, province of Arezzo,  Klaas `Z4␟` V 08:00, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Zo werkt het niet Klaas. Ik heb deze lijst niet zelf gebouwd, maar Listeria bot. Je kan erover lezen hier. Als je wijzigingen in de lijst brengt is dat verspilde moeite - je kan beter de wijzigingen in de bron aanbrengen, namelijk op Wikidata. RKDartists is de naam van een database en je kan het hier bekijken: https://rkd.nl/en/explore/images groet, Jane (talk) 16:49, 4 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks! If the list survives I may try translation to French. Especially since they are discussing it. Jane (talk) 11:34, 7 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
This is not a milestone - this is Wikidata-generated bullshit. We now have the list in german and we can see how you work - with a translatation maschine instead of literature. A maschine is far away from good work and good articles or lists. F. e. the painting names are in a very funny german, but not based on literature! Thank You for this unusefull list, which is really bad to have. I hope, you stop this nonsense now. --Rlbberlin (talk) 09:32, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Duly noted. Jane (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Haarlempjes[edit]

This is the one I was thinking of opening with on Haerlempjes, since it was selected by Slive as being an example of the earlier generation of Haarlem landscapists

Great to see Rough Sea at a Jetty article you created. Do you think there should be a page about the Haarlempjes? Do you have a list page already? I am going to create a page for Jewish Cemetery, but could also do a Haarlempjes one. Edwininlondon (talk) 11:22, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I agree that there should definitely be both one for Haerlempjes and the Jewish cemetery. The list is here: List of paintings by Jacob van Ruisdael. This one can be tuned for the articles that include local links - I will put it on the talk page to demonstrate. I think the Haerlempjes one should lead with an earlier cityscape, though, to show that Ruisdael took an existing idea and took it to a new level of popularity. Don't forget there is already an article about the Zurich one here. If you want I can start the Jewish cemetery article for you (which do you want - Detroit's?) Jane (talk) 13:32, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't mind starting Jewish Cemetery (yes, Detroit's is the one) as well as the Haerlempjes one, then I will work on them. It seems when I create a page, it goes into a queue before it is visible. Thanks!Edwininlondon (talk) 14:49, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
OK I made The Jewish Cemetery and I also made the short list of blue-linked articles on the talkpage here: Talk:List of paintings by Jacob van Ruisdael. I will start the Haarlempjes next. I am somewhat surprised you can't create articles - you should be able to. Search for the title you want to use and then click on the red link. Are you not seeing the redlink? Jane (talk) 16:05, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Ruisdael[edit]

Thanks very much Jane for all your help to get Jacob's article to Good Article status. I'm planning on adding a bit more, Haerlempjes should be weaved in, as well as section on Interpretation, and then I will nominate it for Featured Article. Thanks again! Edwininlondon (talk) 16:53, 10 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wow! I am really impressed - good job! Yes that Haerlempjes thing is still percolating. I will try and publish it today, sorry about the delay (got waylaid by some other Haerlempjes actually, resulting in this completed gallery here: c:Haarlem: The Cradle of the Golden Age. Jane (talk) 08:38, 11 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have linked to the new Haerlempjes page from Jacob's page. So interesting to see the works from so many artists on the same topic. I noticed you have on Commons the list of paintings from the 1981 exhibition. Is that ready for linking yet? I just added a bit about that exhibition to Jacob's page. Edwininlondon (talk) 16:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I am still working on Haerlempjes, but more incoming links are always welcome. Yes you can use that 1981 gallery -- the paintings corresponding to the catalog numbers are all there. I linked all of the existing Jacob van Ruisdael catalogs on the List of paintings by Jacob van Ruisdael page. I still haven't started on the etchings and drawings in that book, but that will come eventually. Jane (talk) 17:14, 17 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I just nominated Jacob's page for Featured Article. Let's hope we can get it through. Edwininlondon (talk) 20:11, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I hope so too! The article definitely looks way better than it did and there is a real story there now about how his art changed throughout his lifetime. Thanks for all your work on that article. Jane (talk) 20:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Jane, would you mind helping me with some images on Jacob's page? I had to remove two images from the main text, but since they are referred to in the text, I'd like to see them in your list of images at the end, but I don't know how to do this wikidata powered stuff. The ones I removed are Waterfall in a Mountainous Landscape with a Ruined Castle c.1665–1670 and Mountainous and Wooded Landscape with a River c.1678. The ones I think could be removed are any that are already shown in the article. If you don't have time, maybe just point me in the right direction to edit the list. Thanks. Edwininlondon (talk) 21:58, 29 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm those titles could be any number of paintings, but I will dig into the page history and see what I can do. The Wikidata list isn't mysterious at all - it is just the list of items in Wikidata and I have been adding items based on the Slive, HdG, and Rosenberg catalogs, more or less having auction house, museum information or RKD links. The short list you see at the bottom of the page are the ones that have articles on the English Wikipedia, so if you want a painting to show up in that list, then you just need a short article for it. I will try to create those today (if I can find the files!). Jane (talk) 11:27, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Found the first one : Mountain Landscape with a Watermill. Will now go look for the other one. Jane (talk) 12:18, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Found the other one: Waterfall in a Mountainous Landscape with a Ruined Castle. Jane (talk) 15:14, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Thanks! Edwininlondon (talk) 21:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jane, I'm getting confused about the Dune Landscape painting from the Hermitage. In my Hermitage book it is called Cottage in a Grove. On their website it is called Peasant Cottage in a Landscape https://www.hermitagemuseum.org/wps/portal/hermitage/digital-collection/01.+Paintings/44499/?lng=en I am pretty sure it is the same painting, as the image size is the same each time. I guess we use whatever Slive calls it, right? : Edwininlondon (talk) 20:25, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I just changed the Wikidata title to "Peasant Cottage in a Landscape". On Wikidata I think it is best to go with the title that the museum uses, though this might be a translation from the Russian. For your purposes I would go with the Slive title. It doesn't really matter, as long as the picture and the museum collection is the same so you know for sure you are talking about the same painting. Jane (talk) 20:44, 4 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry Jane, but a reviewer thought the Notable Paintings list was a major problem, so I removed it. I checked other FAs and indeed none seem to have it. Sad though. Edwininlondon (talk) 07:22, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How odd! You would think that a painting selection by the community is better than the selection added to a page (if you check those other FA's I bet some of the images on those pages are not well sourced - in my experience there is heavy lobbying done by 1) big museums and 2) big art dealers. But anything for the cause! It's looking good btw. Thx for your work. Jane (talk) 08:48, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Night Watch[edit]

Hi Jane, Has this been moved? Why categorize as Amsterdam Museum? Johnbod (talk) 09:44, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have been thinking about how to attack this one. No it's the other way around. The Rijksmuseum was built specifically to show off the Night Watch, among other important paintings of the Amsterdam Museum. It is said that the most famous paintings of the Amsterdam Museum don't hang there. The Stedelijk Museum is similarly also a showcase for many important paintings of the Amsterdam Museum. So The Night Watch is arguably the most famous painting of the Rijksmuseum that it doesn't own itself. Jane (talk) 09:53, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. The article doesn't say this, nor I think for the others in the AM category. Are they technically the property of the city (rather than the AM as a distinct entity)? Maybe a standard note could be added to all. Johnbod (talk) 10:55, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That is the tricky bit. I Haarlem the city owns the paintings in the City Hall and has given these piece by piece to the Frans Hals Museum over the years, but still not 100% of what is there is owned by the FHM. I assume the City of Amsterdam similarly has lots of paintings not owned by AM (e.g. many of the paintings in the Royal Palace on the Dam). I don't think anyone besides the catalogers at both museums know for sure which is which. Because we have data donations from both museums however, we can now see it on Wikidata. I just went through my own lists and every painting with an article on Wikipedia that has an AM number is now in that category (I assume there are many others, but I haven't checked them). Saying they aren't the property of the Rijksmuseum is also not entirely true. When you consider the cost of ownership of something like the Night Watch with its own special groove in the floor to get it in and out, plus all of the research and restoration activities, it's hard to say which part of the investment is owned by whom. Meanwhile, since the RM was built, the AM has continued to purchase paintings, making it all the more confusing! I will think about how to explain this. Jane (talk) 11:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a similar situation with City of London and the Tate - is that explained anywhere? Jane (talk) 11:14, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't aware of an issue there. The National Gallery lists some paintings as belonging to the Tate (which split away from it decades ago), & I expect the Tate lists some as City of London or its Guildhall Art Gallery. In my experience the museums are always clear about the ownership, but the information is not always easy to find. Johnbod (talk) 11:29, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what you mean - I don't think there is an issue here either - the Rijksmuseum has never "claimed ownership" if that is what you mean. I think it is exactly the same as Tate and City of London. But do you mean that we should only categorize according to where something hangs rather than ownership? Jane (talk) 12:07, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well there is a case for that, to avoid confusion. But really I'd prioritize getting the articles right and clear over the categories. People shouldn't be puzzled, as I was, why an article is in any particular category, and not be able to find anything in the article. I don't actually know that the Tate has any City of London paintings, but it may do. Do you know that it does? Not many I'd think - the great majority of both collections are in storage at any one time. You say "Saying they aren't the property of the Rijksmuseum is also not entirely true", but in the absence of some specific agreement it either is or isn't true. Johnbod (talk) 13:10, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fine then, will update all the pages. Jane (talk) 18:32, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for creating the the Rembrandt 1968 catalogue page (and other lists of paintings by Golden Age artists)! I was contemplating of making a list of paintings formerly attributed to Rembrandt for several years now, but didn't get around to it, so I was very excited when this one appeared. This is a subject of great interest to me, and many others, I'm sure. Vlad b (talk) 16:55, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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I was going to send you a barnstar for this work too, Jane, but see you already have one. Your contributions are even more impressive now that we have Rembrandt catalog raisonné, 1986. Keep up the good work. The tie-up with Wikidata is impressive but then you probably created many of the details there yourself too. The two lists, which are closely related, deserve wide promotion and assessment with a view to reaching GA or even FA. I just wonder whether you consider them finished or intend to undertake further work on them.--Ipigott (talk) 15:13, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I am probably never going to finish, but I would like to get the 1914 Hofstede de Groot list of paintings all done. It's fairly daunting at about 900 entries though, so I started with the Gerson catalog (only 420) and reused a lot of the work already done by User:Heavy Horse on the list of 348 items listed by the Rembrandt Research Project. Since Tümpel worked on the RRP the 265 he listed was pretty easy. I am still working on Bredius and want to publish that one too, but I am still missing lots of those (630 items). To answer your question, yes these two are done as far as the 3-way connection ID<->Wikidata<->Image but of course some of the rows need dimensions & technique, and a few Commons files are less than adequate (and the Wikidata items need some wikilove too). I wish I could make these lists auto-update but there is currently no way to sort a Wikidata list. In theory all paintings that survived all of these lists are the "core corpus" and should have Wikipedia articles I suppose. Jane (talk) 15:36, 19 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your explanations and for setting out your ambitious future agenda. While it would indeed be great to have Wikipedia articles on all of Rembrandt's paintings, I think that will have to be a very long-term project unless the Wikidata experts can devise a means of copying the essential facts on each one into prose. It actually shouldn't be too difficult but they probably have other priorities. Someone may like to put forward a proposal for a Wikimedia project. But to get back to the Rembrandt catalog tables: do you intend to fill in the gaps on dimensions and technique or can the articles be promoted as they are?--Ipigott (talk) 08:27, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I misunderstood you! Go ahead and promote away. I won't be updating these tables in the short term, no. The dimensions & technique are things that I will eventually be working on but not yet. As far as prose coming out of Wikidata, we have Reasonator, but for writing articles about paintings I prefer using Hofstede de Groot's prose which is all public domain now. He even has technique & dimensions in there, which is why I don't bother with that on the Wikidata side as much. See an example here. Jane (talk) 10:17, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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