User talk:Jackmcbarn

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New redirects[edit]

You'll recall this discussion when you enabled the software to tag redirects that are left behind when a page is renamed with {{R from move}}. Hypothetical: If there were a Category:Newly created redirects and an rcat named {{R newly created}}, which would populate the category, then is it possible for the software to tag a redirect soon or immediately after it is first created? If so, then the category could be monitored to ensure that newly created redirects are correctly categorized. Is this possible? – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 18:43, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, but I'd want a method to automatically uncategorize them once they're not new anymore first. Jackmcbarn (talk) 19:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
It would have to be monitored on an equable basis, and yet, I do understand your concern. The category would be like the other redirect maintenance cats, and I would monitor it. Also, it occurs to me that there already exists a Category:Miscellaneous redirects that is populated by the bare (no rcats added) {{This is a redirect}} template. Perhaps that cat and template could be used for this purpose? I would definitely monitor that category to keep it clear. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 20:05, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Another issue I just thought of is that this would make it impossible for non-admins to revert any moves once they're no longer new. What would the purpose of this category be, anyway? Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:05, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Every redirect I've come across that the {{R from move}} has auto-tagged has needed at least one other rcat, so those moves can now only be reverted by admins. New redirects left behind by moves is one segment of all newly created redirects. This category will be useful to monitor all newly created redirects and to sort them when necessary. The new redirects will be removed from the miscellaneous category after at least one rcat is added to the This is a redirect template. The miscellaneous cat is presently very sparsely used by some editors who are not sure what rcats and cats to use. They tag the redirect with the bare This is a redirect template so a monitor will come by and finish the sorts. When we implement this new procedure, the category will continue with the small purpose of usefulness to unsure editors and also have the larger purpose of maintenance of newly formed redirects. – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 20:57, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I really don't see how that's useful. If you get consensus for it on a village pump, I'll set it up, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:39, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Okay, thank you! For now, it's good to know that it's doable. I'll see what I can put together for the pump. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 05:45, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-11[edit]

09:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

changes regarding Template:Syrian_civil_war_detailed_map[edit]

I'm contacting you here since I'm interested in discussing programming type info that most other contributors to the project won't follow.
Several months back, in addition to problems with slow editing, we started having problems with transclusion of the map into the main page. We did a variety of changes to reduce the size of both the map and the main page, most only having a temporary benefit. Finally we were able to reduce the size by about 200 000 characters, largely by reducing info that we would have rather kept, so the map transcluded into the main page for maybe a month, before again failing. (Failing meaning that the reference index at the bottom no longer worked.)
We then decided to access the map as a separate page, which has eliminated the transclusion problem.
Having the map as a template without transclusion gives a considerable space margin for future expansion without having to continually closely watch the size of the map, or the page into which it is transcluded. So I suggest that there be a policy that this type of template be considered a special case, as it is easily distinguished from other templates which may be better transcluded into a regular page.
The advantage of having a map as a template is that it could be initially transcluded, but if and when it becomes large enought to cause space problems, it could be readily used as a separate page without changing the map itself. Indeed, it is possible that other much smaller pages (than the main syrian civil war page) could continue to transclude the map page. (There was at least one other page doing so 6 months ago.)
Nothing in my comments is meant to say that I am definitely against again transcluding the map. Rather I think that the decision in such a case should be left to the main editors of the page. In this case, essentially Tradedia (originator of the project) and Luthar, collaborator from the beginning, as well as a few others. I stand with them. Note that they have accepted a number of my (essentially technical) recommendations to improve the map.
Another reason to write you here :
Being a programmer, I had thought of rewriting the templates used by our map template, to reduce the footprint, and make various other improvements. But not being familiar with WP code, and lacking the time, I hadn't yet looked at it. I do appreciate the efforts you have done in that regard.
There are enhancements to the sub-templates I would like to see, which would be advantageous for display on the map. A few examples :

  1. The current location template allows displaying the label associated with an icon only "left", "right" (default), "top" (centered) or "bottom" (centered) of the icon. However often other orientations would be better, to avoid conflict with other items on the (very crowded) map. Such as top-to-left-of-centre (maybe coded as "nw"), bottom-to-right-of-centre ("se"), etc.
  2. Coding size (from a non-programmer view) could be shortened, both to reduce typos and hopefully reduce the footprint. In the location template, we have the parameter "position" for label position relative to the icon. "lpos" (for label position) might be better.
  3. Icons (or at least certain types) seem to be displayed just above the geographic position, instead of being centered on the positions. This is noticed in positioning of labels around an icon. If the label is positioned above, it is much closer than if positioned below. It affects at least animated .gif and filled circle .svg icons. So it seems that something in the icon definitions or location template (or sub-templates) needs to be corrected. Or maybe it is the label display code, since it seems to vary with the size of the label.
  4. Local variables, if and when available could be used to reduce typos, and hopefully reduce the size of the interpreted map, particularly if transcluded. References to targets in the main page are very frequent. A very useful local variable in the map would be $scw = "Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_civil_war". It would be used hundreds of times, in the form $scw#aziz , $scw#manjib , etc.

Note that many links were broken in order to reduce the map size. Most have not yet been corrected. (It is a lot of work to do.)
When they are all corrected, the map will probably be much bigger, using the current programming.
Ideally, the map would eventually be transcluded again, but only after we have a considerable margin that ensures that we will not encounter transclusion problems again. This could never happen, since if we had never had space problems, the main page would be considerably larger than it is now. (It is essentially tables with a very high density of references.) So it is not only the size of the map itself.
Changing to/from transclusion is a disruption (for editors and ordinary users of the page and associated map), and we are already kept very busy keeping the map up to date.
These are are just some of my ideas on the subject. I would appreciate any feedback you can give. Including any tools I could use to test the memory footprint, for example. Thanks :) André437 (talk) 03:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

  • So I suggest that there be a policy that this type of template be considered a special case, as it is easily distinguished from other templates which may be better transcluded into a regular page. If it's not getting transcluded, it's not really being a template. It might as well just have a lead and References section added and moved to mainspace.
  • The current location template allows displaying the label associated with an icon only "left", "right" (default), "top" (centered) or "bottom" (centered) of the icon. However often other orientations would be better, to avoid conflict with other items on the (very crowded) map. Such as top-to-left-of-centre (maybe coded as "nw"), bottom-to-right-of-centre ("se"), etc. I was focusing on fixing the performance. I wasn't trying to add the functionality. You or someone else can do that if that's desired.
  • Coding size (from a non-programmer view) could be shortened, both to reduce typos and hopefully reduce the footprint. In the location template, we have the parameter "position" for label position relative to the icon. "lpos" (for label position) might be better. That doesn't count against the footprint, so that would reduce readability without benefit.
  • Icons (or at least certain types) seem to be displayed just above the geographic position, instead of being centered on the positions. This is noticed in positioning of labels around an icon. If the label is positioned above, it is much closer than if positioned below. It affects at least animated .gif and filled circle .svg icons. So it seems that something in the icon definitions or location template (or sub-templates) needs to be corrected. Or maybe it is the label display code, since it seems to vary with the size of the label. Everything is still displayed exactly the way it was before my rewrite, so I really don't know what to say about this.
  • Local variables, if and when available could be used to reduce typos, and hopefully reduce the size of the interpreted map, particularly if transcluded. References to targets in the main page are very frequent. A very useful local variable in the map would be $scw = "Cities_and_towns_during_the_Syrian_civil_war". It would be used hundreds of times, in the form $scw#aziz , $scw#manjib , etc. We'd need a redirect for that to work. Unfortunately, the one we had was deleted ([[16]]).
  • You can see details about the transclusion size in "Parser profiling data" below the edit window after hitting Show preview.
  • Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:42, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for taking so long to reply. I didn't notice your post until I noticed a problem with our page.
We have numerous animated icons, to indicate conflicts between various forces in the ongoing civil war. They no longer display animated, but as static images. Note that they still display correctly directly on my wp user page, so it is not my navigator. As you probably already know, removing the "invoke:" doesn't work. I would appreciate your help to fix the issue.
Also, relating to previous discussion :
  1. There are much smaller pages that transclude our map, so if in the (now unlikely) event that we can no longer translude our map into the main page, other pages will still want to. Which is why I still would favour a policy which allows exceptionally invoking a (map) template directly. Keeping in mind that it almost always looks better to transclude if possible.
  2. For adding any functionality to the module, I would appreciate any guidance/expertise that you might be willing to share. So far I don't have much experience with wikimedia formats, besides ordinary editing of pages, including some templates.
  3. When I tried redirect shortcuts in the past I missed a nuance in the guidelines that might let us use that for our map. The guideline examples had ":" in the shortcut name. I still think that the editors went against the guidelines when they decided to remove our shortcut. But had it contained a ":", the decision well could have been different.
Related to that, I have another idea. Some languages have a "static" option to provide persistent variables across invocations. Is there a way of doing that with lua/scribunto, or maybe redefining the current page variable ? Say defining a default page in {{#invoke:location map|top}}, and automatically using it in subsequent invocations of {{#invoke:location map|mark}}, so all references "#something" refer to the main syrian civil war page, instead of whatever the current page happens to be ? Since there are a number of transclusions from other locations, and it would also make it much easier for map editors to verify their updates. As it is, when editing the map, links without the full page name are always broken in preview mode. This has contributed to the many links that are broken in the map.
Thanks again for any feedback. Particularly about the animated icon issue. André437 (talk) 08:08, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
It's impossible for any wiki markup to make animated images not display. It looks fine to me. Maybe your browser just can't handle that many animated images on one page. What browser are you using?
  1. I'm not sure what "invoking a (map) template directly" means. Can you clarify?
  2. There's lots of Lua tutorials on the Web (just Google for one). Then read mw:Extension:Scribunto/Lua reference manual to learn about the MediaWiki-specific stuff.
  3. I'm not sure about the shortcut.
It's impossible to share any information between #invoke's. That was a deliberate design decision. Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:20, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
The animated images display was just a transient problem with my browser (Mozilla Seamonkey), only on the large map template, and not on other tabs loaded at the same time. Restarting the browser or rebooting alone didn't work. Finally rebooting and restarting the browser empty, then loading only the template did display the animated icons normally. And after reloading all the other tabs I normally use, it is still ok. Could have been some cache problem, that coincidentally started after you did the changes.
  1. I had tried removing the "#invoke:" from the beginning of an "{{#invoke:location map|mark | ... }}" item, and the associated icon and label disappeared from the map. I had thought that maybe it was optional, and might be related to the icons not being animated.
  2. Right. I've already started following some lua tutorials. Seems pretty straight forward. Looks a lot simpler than e.g. perl.
  3. From what you say, it looks like the shortcut with ":" inside is likely the only option. Such shortcuts do work, but we didn't convert to it after just having contesting editors decide to reverse a previous distinctive shortcut with something other than ":", because they thought ordinary users wouldn't find that shortcut "intuitive". They didn't care what WP guidelines said. It took a lot of time and effort to make the map functional again, and it was better to avoid the risk of an equivalent problem.
I'm still hopeful of finding a way to dynamically define a custom variable, which could then be used like "{{myvar}}#sometown" to solve the problem. To me it is a big plus to avoid polluting the main and other namespaces. As well as being immune to over-zealous editors that like to invent their own rules. I'll let you know if I find something along those lines that works.
In any case, thanks for your feedback and all your help André437 (talk) 11:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
If something starts with #invoke, it's using a module, not a template, in this case Module:Location map. So yes, as you discovered, blindly removing a #invoke will just break it. Also, a parameter to hold the page name won't help, because size is counted after the parameter is expanded. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Me again :)
After reflecting on everything you said, and the needs of our page/template, I do appreciate that a variable/constant local to the page will not reduce the transclusion size needed. But it would have another very important advantage in our case : the template will become considerably more readable and maintainable by editors of the template, with a supplementary advantage that it would be immune to arbitrary deletion by other editors.
I found an extention:Variables that adds local variables, and made a proposal to have it included in Wikipedia. Its' more recent versions have already been included in at least 170 other sites using Mediawiki, according to Mediawiki stats. It does more than we need, essentially a simple preprocessor, since it will also resolve equations.
My proposal is at : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Propose_installing_extension:variables_to_allow_variables_local_to_a_specific_page
Your reaction would be very much appreciated.
Thanks :) André437 (talk) 00:54, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
@André437: For technical reasons, Extension:Variables can't be installed here (and neither can anything that does what it does). Also, not only would it not help transclude size to use it, it would actually make it worse, because everything in the variable would be counted twice as many times. Jackmcbarn (talk) 02:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I would be interested in knowing what these "technical reasons" might be. It can't be a limitation of Mediawiki itself, since at least 170 Mediawiki installations use a recent version of extension:Variables.
Also, if such an extension is properly applied, the transcluded size of the page should be exactly the same, to the byte. Like applying a macro to any other code, there should be no vestige of the extension other than the transformations it has performed.
e.g. if we have {{#vardefine:cc|myvalue}} and numerous {{cc}} in the page, once applied, {{#vardefine:cc|myvalue}} would be removed and the {{cc}} would all be replaced by "myvalue".
Regards André437 (talk) 09:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
It's incompatible with mw:Extension:Parsoid. Parsoid depends on being able to parse pages in pieces, which having any sort of state breaks. Jackmcbarn (talk) 12:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. That's why someone else mentioned a problem with extra parsing passes, and some other extension. Thanks for the info :)
BTW, nice to see you helping out on the map talk page. André437 (talk) 07:09, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Request for speedy deletion of module[edit]

Can an admin delete Module:Location map/data as G7? (CSD tags don't work on module pages). I know it appears to have 50000 transclusions, but these are not "real" and appear only because the job queue is behind. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Try the talk page and request it from there. ///EuroCarGT 16:40, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done. JohnCD (talk) 17:51, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Module:Location map[edit]

If neither Module:Location_map/data/... nor Template:Location_map_... exists, the following error is raised:

expandTemplate: template "Location map UK Scotland" does not exist
Backtrace:

[C]: in function "expandTemplate"
mw.lua:411: in function "expandTemplate"
Module:Location_map:29: in function "map"
Module:Location_map:110: in function "top"
Module:Location_map:150: in function "chunk"
mw.lua:558: ?
[C]: in function "expandTemplate"
mw.lua:411: in function "expandTemplate"
Module:Documentation:640: in function "_content"
Module:Documentation:141: ?
(tail call): ?
mw.lua:558: ?

(Note: this happens in thwiki, not enwiki)

In my opinion, we should make a tracking category for non-existing templates, but we should not let the script throw the error like this. --Nullzero (talk) 20:03, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

If neither the module nor the template exists, then it wasn't called properly (and it would have made an ugly mess in the old non-Lua version of the template). What do you want to happen in that case exactly? Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:06, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
My idea is that if it is possible, we should catch errors as many as possible and categorize pages containing those errors, so people can precisely fix them. For example, if Module:Citation/CS1 didn't catch errors, we would see a lot of pages in Category:Pages_with_script_errors, but people would not be able to figure it out easily what problem it is. With Category:CS1_errors:_dates, we can see that pages falling in this category are missing parameter "date." In the same way, if neither the module nor the template exists, it would be nice to have a tracking category for this case.
It is true that this case means the module wasn't called properly, and the goal for doing tracking category is to fix it. Also, since we switched to lua version already, why do we have to care about the old version? --Nullzero (talk) 20:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
We don't care about the old version. I was just saying I didn't make the problem any worse. Anyway, rather than making a new category to fix that, I think looking for redlinked transcluded templates would be a better fix. Does thwiki run database reports for those? Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Also, when you click on the words "Script error", it tells you the problem: Lua error: expandTemplate: template "Location map whatever" does not exist. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry that I didn't make it clear. I didn't say that you did something wrong. Rather, I just suggested for an improvement. Since lua can handle errors very easy, compared to using only template and parser functions, it would be nice to do all I mentioned above. Anyway, I don't have any difficulty from fixing those script errors in Thai Wikipedia because there are very few errors. So, if you think that this module is fine enough, it's fine. Thank you anyway :) --Nullzero (talk) 02:30, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
I've just updated the module to improve the error messages it generates. Is this a good solution? Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:18, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yep. It is better than only showing "script error" without any reason. Thank you very much :) --Nullzero (talk) 22:54, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Technical move of Alaska templates -- two errors[edit]

Hello Jack. Can you tell why I would get these errors on doing the move:

The page Template:Location map USA Alaska/sandbox could not be moved to Module:Location map/data/USA Alaska/attribution/sandbox.
The page Template:Location map USA Alaska/testcases could not be moved to Module:Location map/data/USA Alaska/attribution/testcases.

Any suggestions of what to do next are welcome. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 01:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't need the subpages moved. (In fact, I'm going to tag them for CSD G8 after the move). Just don't worry about them. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Rationale for removing Lua from Template:Incomplete/doc[edit]

I would like to understand why {{Lua}} was removed from the documentation. The first line of {{Incomplete}} contains

#invoke:Unsubst

which does invoke Lua. However, that was a wrapper around the body of the template that was not converted to Lua. Is that why? How can one tell which invocation is spurious and which is not? Does the entire template have to invoke a complete Lua substitute? Just curious?

PS. I'm fairly new at discussions and didn't know whether to post this general question here or on the template's talk page. Dpleibovitz (talk) 23:36, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Basically, the template needs to be nothing but Lua for the {{lua}} tag to be eligible. Template:Infobox and Template:Edit protected are two good examples. If a template happens to use some Lua, but is mostly other stuff, it doesn't need the {{lua}} tag. Jackmcbarn (talk) 23:41, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you for your prompt reply Dpleibovitz (talk) 23:51, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-12[edit]

07:14, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

User talk:77.251.154.154[edit]

Thanks for the notification. GiantSnowman 18:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:List of countries by average wage[edit]

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List of PlayStation 3 games[edit]

see this request. 174.56.57.138 (talk) 21:47, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-13[edit]

18:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

sevastopol map[edit]

actually, i cannot tell you. it is all based on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crimea_location_map.svg with some more details in the harbour regions taken from a couple of raster maps. sorry i cannot help you. --DLommes (talk) 01:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-14[edit]

09:20, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@media screen[edit]

Note that @media screen is put in front of all core site CSS, not just this update. Therefor, it never needs to be included in local CSS. Edokter (talk) — 20:05, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

It's not hurting anything though, right? Jackmcbarn (talk) 20:07, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Not really... but it's just terribly redundant. Edokter (talk) — 20:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Actually...[edit]

they should be alphabetical :-) DP 00:24, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Moving category pages[edit]

I see that you're working on making it possible to move category pages. Thank you! I had almost given up hope. — Scott talk 19:29, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Stop edit-warring over map templates[edit]

Over the past 8 years of working with the map templates, there have been many changes, and your continual edit-warring over the prior templates is just making progress very difficult. The current Lua fork, installed as Template:Location_map is broken for various browsers, and it is sad that you cannot comprehend that fact. However, deleting the better map templates is not the answer, except in your twisted view. Step 1: Restore Template:Location_map_any to the original location, not a fly-by-night sandbox version which invites experimentation about the features. Your actions are just completely over-the-top unbearable crap and you really need to learn to be more cooperative. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

@Wikid77:
  1. How am I edit-warring, exactly?
  2. Template:Location map is the original template. Yours are the forks.
  3. What exactly about Template:Location map is broken? The only example of it you showed me actually revealed that it works properly and your fork is broken.
  4. Per Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2014 March 14#Template:Location map all, Template:Location map all was moved to Template:Location map many/sandbox2. You can't just move it back to Template:Location map any against consensus.
Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Tech News: 2014-15[edit]

08:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!![edit]

..for identifying/fixing the mistake on Ramla, and I´ll try to post my question the right place next time. See; that´s how clueless I am: didn´t even know where to post it..... just knew that Ramla has never, ever been in Jordan!

Cheers, and thanks again, Huldra (talk) 22:44, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Location map many[edit]

Jackmcbarn is located in Earth
Jackmcbarn
Jackmcbarn is located in Earth
pos top label
pos top label
position left label
position left label

having blank parameters should not throw an error ... Frietjes (talk) 15:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Looking... Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:51, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: Fixed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
also, it should be fine to have a gap in the numbering, see Surrey Hills AONB. Frietjes (talk) 15:59, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: Also fixed. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:07, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
(And now I broke the first thing again. Looking again... Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:08, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
and positionX no longer works. is the old template in a sandbox so I can check to make sure everything still works, and that nothing else has been silently broken? Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
I restored the template back to the way it was until I get this fixed properly. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:12, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: The reason the thing you posted on my talk page re-broke is that "lon2" is (and has always been) incorrect and should be "long2". I should have the other issue fixed soon. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:16, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
@Frietjes: Everything is fixed now (for real, I promise). Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
that's what I get for trying to create and example, rather than just linking to one. the actual examples are here, here, here, and here. Frietjes (talk) 16:22, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
thanks. I will see about making a more complete set of testcases if I have some time later today. Frietjes (talk) 16:24, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Reference needed to add a religion in Vellalar 'community' page[edit]

Dear Sir,

Do you need any reference material or source for my claim to add christianity religion in the above said page?

Regards Camilo — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chronicleof COGRLAHEPETA (talkcontribs) 16:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Please give a link to it on Talk:Vellalar (not here). Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:47, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Your sentence to Bryan Davis to Stocks[edit]

Would you please provide a link there? SYSS Mouse (talk) 01:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

@SYSS Mouse: Yes check.svg Done Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Stop targeting genuine artists! learn to accept defeat![edit]

Please get a life! you have a terrible ego problem! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.204.75 (talk) 05:47, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

A small cup of coffee.JPG Thanks for maintaining the integrity of Wikipedia's articles, as you did with the Indian pop star Adithya Srinivasan. It might take a while to teach all of India Wikipedia's guidelines, so thanks for contributing to the effort. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:11, 14 April 2014 (UTC)


Tech News: 2014-16[edit]

07:18, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Location maps[edit]

I've seen and declined your G6 requests at {{Location map Algeria}} and {{Location map Africa}} — simply because I'm not sure what effect this would have. If we leave them as they are, redirects to the module talk subpage, or if we redirect them to pages of the current modules that accomplish the same purpose, will there be problems? In other words, will we actively be better off if we delete them? I'm just concerned that deletion would break old page histories, especially since these have been very heavily used in the past. By the way, I'd really appreciate a talkback, since I'll forget to reply otherwise. Nyttend (talk) 03:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

These were meta-templates used by Template:Location map, so no old revisions will break by deleting these (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Algiers&oldid=496907862 for example; it still works). Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:53, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
[edit conflict with your diff link] Let me explain what I think is the case: please tell me if I'm right or wrong. Deleting these pages would mangle old revisions of {{Location map}}. However, because the template is currently still working, and because there's no way to get a page to display the transclusion of a former version of a template, there's no way that these deletions would be able to be made visible on other pages, and there's no need to worry about mangling old revisions of the template itself. Right or wrong? If I'm right, then I'll happily delete them. Nyttend (talk) 03:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Right. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Deleted; thanks for the explanation. I'm just always nervous about damaging old revisions, and nested templates always confuse me — I appreciate meta templates because of how powerful they are, but I'm still partly in sympathy with WP:AUM. Meanwhile, I'm not sure what you want to do with Module talk:Location map/data/Africa/doc, since it's a redirect to one of the pages I just deleted at your request. Nyttend (talk) 04:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Redirects fixed. Thanks for the notice. Jackmcbarn (talk) 12:20, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for fixing the map at Don Bolles! It was unexpected and out of the blue and I greatly appreciate what you've done. You're awesome! Crtew (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)