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Your user page[edit]

Hi Pengyanan, I've moved your user and talk pages from Neo-Jay to Pengyanan because the title of the user page must correspond to the name of the user doing the contributions. There's no written policy stating this, but it's so engrained as a standard that it's de facto policy. Any other arrangement is completely non-standard and confuses users (as you've probably noticed) and computer programs. I've restored all the edits to the Pengyanan talk page, so all the history is still there. If you want your username changed to Neo-Jay, then ask at Wikipedia:Changing username/Usurpations; the Neo-Jay account will probably be renamed to "Neo-Jay (usurped)" while the account you are using will be changed to Neo-Jay. Thanks. Graham87 08:28, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

And I've done this to all your subpages as well. In case you're wondering, I noticed your edit to Diving and that's how I found this situation. I checked through your talk page archives and I noticed that other users have mentioned it as well. If you want to start using the Neo-Jay account again, let me know and I (as an admin) can move your user and talk page and subpages back easily. However the username must match the title of the user page; no ifs, ands or buts about it. Graham87 08:45, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
I reverted your moves. Although I can understand your concern, I don't think that moving my user pages without discussing with or even noticing me in advancce is appropriate. As you admitted, [t]here's no written policy stating that "the title of the user page must correspond to the name of the user doing the contributions". I thought that I followed the rules on legitimate uses of alternative accounts. I do have my personal reason to temporarily use an alternative account other than Neo-Jay. But since it has caused some confusions, I decide to restart using the account name Neo-Jay and stop using Pengyanan. Hope this can be OK to you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:53, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that sounds fine to me. I apologise for being too hasty in moving your user pages. Graham87 14:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
That's all right. --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
How about User:Pengyanan/monobook.css and User:Pengyanan/monobook.js? Do you want to move them back as well? Graham87 14:40, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for letting me know this. Yes, please move them back. --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
All done. Graham87 01:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much. One more thing. Is it possible to restore the page history of User:Pengyanan and User talk:Pengyanan? If yes, could you please restore them for me? Thanks! --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I would, but unfortunately there's no deleted history at either of those locations. Graham87 02:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
User talk:Pengyanan has a deletion log at 08:20, 2 August 2012 although User:Pengyanan does not. Please at least restore User talk:Pengyanan's page history. Thanks! --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:24, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
I already did; see the entry in the deletion log you linked where I restored 6 revisions with the explanation "history merge". Unfortunately they're now in the Neo-Jay user talk page history, interleaved with the other edits. I *could* put them back at the "Pengyanan" page if you like, but that would not be an easy process. Graham87 02:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see. It will be great if they can be put back at Pengyanan talk page. Please do me this favor when it is convenient to you. Thanks! --Neo-Jay (talk) 03:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
It's best if page history changes like that are done as soon as possible, so that's what I've done. I Hope it's all OK now! Graham87 03:58, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Great! Thank you so much! --Neo-Jay (talk) 04:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Xiaojiawan coal mine explosion[edit]

Hi, Neo-Jay. In 2009, you contributed actively to the Heilongjiang mine explosion article. I wonder if you may be interested also to contribute to the Xiaojiawan coal mine explosion article? Thank you. Beagel (talk) 17:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Beagel. Thanks for your notice. I have updated some information at Xiaojiawan coal mine disaster. Best regards. --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:46, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Chinese taijiquan practitioner naming[edit]

Hi Neo-Jay. I've noticed the edits that you've made on some pages regarding proper naming of Chinese people that are influential to taijiquan. I'm interested in the improvement of the taijiquan article & it's related articles and would like to request that you please also look over and correct those of the individuals listed in this category. I would do it myself, but I'm not well versed enough with the naming conventions to argue my reasons for moves, if they're contested. Thanks. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 17:16, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi, InferKNOX. Thanks for your message. According to the naming convention, those Chinese persons living in Taiwan, Hong Kong, or other countries may not use pinyin as their names. So I do not move those ones in Category:Chinese Tai Chi Chuan practitioners. I have moved all the articles that I can move in this category. But some people from Mainland China, who should be named in pinyin, cannot be moved because their proper pinyin titles have edit history (e.g. Yang Banhou for Yang Pan-hou, Yang Luchan for Yang Lu-ch'an). Wikipedia does not allow moving a page by cut and paste (see Wikipedia:Moving a page). If you want to move those pages, please follow the rules described at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Best wishes. --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:59, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
I trust your assessment based on the edits I see you've made. What about the hyphens in the 1st names ~ InferKNOX (talk) 00:33, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Hyphens, there should be no hyphen or space inside a given name. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:50, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
That being the case, are you going to move pages such as Yang Pan-hou to Yang Panhou, Yang Lu-ch'an to Yang Luch'an, Ma Jiang Bao to Ma Jiangbao, Jwing-Ming Yang to Jwingming Yang, etc? ~ InferKNOX (talk) 19:39, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
After reading Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Romanization of names, I see that Wade-Giles romanisations demand hyphens between the two syllables of the name. There is still the case of the latter two individuals (and others like them who I never mentioned), which seem to go against the Wikipedian naming principles, so the question I posed to you about them still stands. ~ InferKNOX (talk) 19:54, 18 September 2012 (UTC)
You are right that the no-hyphen-or-space principle only applies to pinyin. Therefore Yang Pan-hou and Yang Lu-ch'an, as Wade-Giles names, should not be moved to Yang Panhou and Yang Luch'an. As for the latter two persons, it seems that Ma Jiang Bao lives in Europe and Jwing-Ming Yang lives in the United States. According to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Chinese)#Romanization of names, pinyin may not be used when the subject of the article is likely to prefer a non-pinyin romanization as is often the case with people from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and older overseas Chinese communities. Although the names Ma Jiang Bao and Jwing-Ming Yang are not standard pinyin or Wade-Giles, probably they are the names used in their respective local communities. So I don't know whether they should be renamed. Best wishes. --Neo-Jay (talk) 10:07, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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Reading comprehension[edit]

You may be proposing that, but the page has a merge and not move tag. So please do consider your reading comprehension. T. trichiura Infect me 19:22, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

What I reverted was your 2nd edit made at 19:13, 23 October 2012 at Talk:IPad mini, in which you moved your comment on the merge proposal to my move proposal section. It's clear that the merge proposal (added by someone else) is different from my move proposal. And according to Wikipedia:Requested moves, the move proposal should be placed as the article's talk page and a move tag does not need to be placed at the article page. I did not remove your comment. I just moved your comment back to its right place. So, please consider your reading comprehension. --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:43, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Obviously I was responding to your comment and not objecting to moving things around. Since this is your talk page, I'll leave it to your imagination as to where you can put your unhelpful rhetoric. T. trichiura Infect me 19:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Obviously your comment (strong oppose) was made on the merge proposal, not my move proposal. I am sorry I cannot understand why you moved that comment to my proposal section. If you insist that it be placed on the move proposal section, I can do it for you. --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
OK, now I see that you placed a comment (Oppose) at my move proposal. It's fine although you did not provide any reason. But what I moved back was your another earlier comment, in which you said: "Strong Oppose - It's already customary for distinct products such as this to maintain their own pages. iPod mini is a good example of this." Obviously it was made for the merge proposal (to merge iPad mini with iPad (4th generation)), irrelevant to my move proposal (to move iPad mini to iPad Mini). Thanks. Best regards. --Neo-Jay (talk) 20:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day![edit]

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In honour of the anniversary of your very first edit on Wikipedia, you've received a special present. Enjoy your Go set, and have a happy First Edit Day! --xanchester (t) 17:42, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you so much! I didn't realize that it's the seventh anniversary of my first edit. Many thanks for your present! --Neo-Jay (talk) 19:15, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Alibaba.com[edit]

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As another editors said, copy of sectins of an article is not a reason for deletion, but perhaps for redirecting. I am glad that you withdrew your proposed deletion request. --Neo-Jay (talk) 07:42, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Wulian[edit]

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I created Wulian as a redirect page to Wulian County long time ago. Someone else changed it to an unambiguous advertising page for Nanjing IOT Sensor Technology (南京物联传感技术有限公司) recently. Thanks for your understanding. --Neo-Jay (talk) 09:00, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

June 2013[edit]

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Thanks for your message. I fixed it.--Neo-Jay (talk) 14:37, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Ding'an or Dingcheng[edit]

Please see this. Thanks. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your notice. I have left my opinion at Talk:Dingcheng, Hainan. The county's name is Ding'an, and its county seat's name is Dingcheng. --Neo-Jay (talk) 22:16, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Stephen Bradbury (painter)[edit]

Hi Neo=Jay

It was me who introduced the article about Stephen Bradbury, the artist and illustrator. I think the title of Bradbury's page should be Stephen Bradbury (artist). Although he is more involved with personal projects these days, he is always referred to in Google searches as Stephen Bradbury Artist. I notice the Google /Wiki box has stopped showing up in Stephen Bradbury Artist searches.. it only appears if painter is typed in. If you notice, the artist himself on his website welcome page has called it Stephen Bradbury Artist.

Bradbury is known for his illustration, book design, painting and stained glass. I think 'Artist' is a much better title. Also in the google search box it says he was born in Greater Manchester, he was actually born in Manchester, at Saint Mary's Hospital.

Could you please change painter to artist. Kind regards Spopland. Spopland (talk) 00:22, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Spopland. Thanks for your message. I agree with you on the move suggestion. But I cannot move Stephen Bradbury (painter) to Stephen Bradbury (artist) since Stephen Bradbury (artist) has its edit history. So I placed a move request at Talk:Stephen Bradbury (painter) for you. Sorry for my late response. --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:05, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Lu Xiaojun[edit]

Hello, I noticed that you changed Lu's name to Lü which is actually incorrect. The Anglicization (i.e. how Lu's name appears in English) is in fact Lu, and not Lü. I posted some sources on the talk page which can be found here. Just wanted to let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Countdsb (talkcontribs) 03:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. I may disagree with you on this naming issue. But I don't want to take time to argue. I just remind you of one thing: please do not rename a page by cut and paste (see Wikipedia:Moving a page). If you cannot move a page for it has its edit history, please go through the procedure prescribed at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I placed a request at Lu Xiaojun, asking to merge Lü Xiaojun's edit history to its. Sorry for my late response. --Neo-Jay (talk) 02:36, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Okay, no worries. The naming convention is definitely debatable, but I think that conforming to way that even official Chinese publications spell it in English is probably the best course of action. Thanks for the info about cutting/pasting pages. I realized my mistake afterwards and wont do it again! DSB (talk) 13:34, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 03:17, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Fong Sai-yuk (disambiguation)[edit]

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Talk:Sinosphere[edit]

HTC One (2013) listed at Requested moves[edit]

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Bolton Hall[edit]

Please don' t forget to clear up after your page move. There are links intended for the activist, and others, now pointing to the dab page at Bolton Hall. PamD 05:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for you notice. I moved Bolton Hall to Bolton Hall (California) at 00:22, 4 April 2014‎ and have just updated all the incoming article links to the disambiguation page Bolton Hall. BTW, Bolton Hall originally referred to a building in California, and those incoming links intended for Bolton Hall (activist) had been already wrong even before Bolton Hall was turned into a disambiguation page. --Neo-Jay (talk) 07:44, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

Gerald Shields leading the masses to improve Wikimedia one cosmetically fashionable photograph at a time. North Korean Fashion Watch Barnstar
Gerald Shields, founder of the North Korean Fashion Watch, awards you the North Korean Fashion Watch Barnstar for your continuing efforts to add reliable and poignant discussions about North Korean topics, such as the 2014 comedy movie The Interview. Geraldshields11 (talk) 14:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! --Neo-Jay (talk) 15:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
You are welcome. I try to be phunny, professonal, and phashionable at the same time. Geraldshields11 (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Phantastic! :) --Neo-Jay (talk) 01:38, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Farmers Union (brand) - "proper title"[edit]

Your self-assured arrogance bothers me.
There are NUMEROUS "Farmers Unions" and co-operatives on this planet.
Farmers Union (South Australia) is unambiguous. Yes, they use the trading name "Farmers Union".
However,

  • is this a "brand"? (What is a "brand"?)
  • is it unique / unambiguous?
  • What is your justification for saying it is the "proper title"? What does "proper title" mean?

I can ASSURE you that National Foods, the current owners of Farmers Union, do not refer to the subsidiary as "Farmers Union (brand)". Please explain. Pdfpdf (talk) 14:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, the lead section of this article states that "Farmers Union is a brand name" (emphasis added). And considering that it is owned by a Japanese company now, I think that "(South Australia)" is not a proper phrase for disambiguation purpose, and therefore I moved Farmers Union (South Australia) to Farmers Union (brand). If I am wrong, let me know. Thanks. --Neo-Jay (talk) 14:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm. You seem to have done quite a number of changes in this area.
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", and clearly, you have only "a little knowledge" (and a large amount of ... "self confidence").
How are you going to undo the errors you have created? Pdfpdf (talk) 14:31, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
What errors are you referring to? Do you read what I explained above? --Neo-Jay (talk) 14:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Your response causes me to apologise for accusing you of arrogance, and realise that you were acting in good faith.
Sorry. "Mea culpa".
the lead section of this article states that "Farmers Union is a brand name" - Hmmm. It does, doesn't it. Hmmm. ("Never believe what you read in the newspapers or on Wikipedia"??)
And considering that it is owned by a Japanese company now, I think that "(South Australia)" is not a proper phrase for disambiguation purpose - Hmmm. It's not that simple / not that "Black & White".
If I am wrong, let me know. - Again: Hmmm. It's not that simple / not that "Black & White".
Give me some time to think about it and come back to you with a more useful answer. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:46, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry to confuse you.
Give me some time to think about it and come back to you with a more useful answer. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
OK. That's fine. Take your time. And I corrected the order of our discussion per timeline. Some confusions were caused by edit conflict.--Neo-Jay (talk) 15:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Thanks. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

(Post-script): After considerable thought, I still haven't come to a conclusion. On the one hand, the South Australian Farmers' Union was a venerable organisation with a 100+ year's history. On the other hand, "Farmers Union" is now a brand used by National Foods.
Without doubt the article needs to reflect this, but as to the "correct title" of the article ... well ... I don't know. Until such time as you, I or someone else comes up with something reasonable / justifiable / whatever, the best least bad alternative I can think of is to leave things alone. (i.e. I'm not "happy", but a) I can't think of anything better, and b) I can't justify anything else.)
Best wishes, Pdfpdf (talk) 11:38, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply, and sorry for the inconvenience I caused (it would have been better if I had explained more clearly in the edit summary than just saying "proper title" when I moved that article). Best regards. --Neo-Jay (talk) 12:44, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks (Politics of Isle of Man)[edit]

Thanks for reverting my mistaken edit. As I noted in my edit comment, the (beta) mobile version didn't show anything for that template— as far as I could tell. Now that I'm looking at the main web version I can see what it does. Thnidu (talk) 19:42, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@Thnidu: Thanks for your explanation. Sorry for my rude comment at Tynwald's edit summary. Best regards. --Neo-Jay (talk) 07:31, 28 October 2014 (UTC)