*'''Support''' an update to the exiting entry. [[User:Mtking|<span style="color:Green;text-shadow:lightgreen 0.110em 0.110em 0.110em;">Mt</span>]][[User talk:Mtking|<span style="color:gold;">king</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Mtking|<font color="gold"> (edits) </font>]]</sup> 07:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' an update to the exiting entry. [[User:Mtking|<span style="color:Green;text-shadow:lightgreen 0.110em 0.110em 0.110em;">Mt</span>]][[User talk:Mtking|<span style="color:gold;">king</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Mtking|<font color="gold"> (edits) </font>]]</sup> 07:16, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
====Death of [[Etta James]]====
====[Ready] Death of [[Etta James]]====
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*'''Strong support''' as an undeniable legend, had a huge role in her era of Popular Music, was an icon to a generation of young women, helped break racial boundaries. Her most popular song is certainly one of the most recognizable songs of that genre and era and is used extensively by the media. - '''[[User:Floydian|<font color="#5A5AC5">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">τ</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">¢</font>]]</sub> 16:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
*'''Strong support''' as an undeniable legend, had a huge role in her era of Popular Music, was an icon to a generation of young women, helped break racial boundaries. Her most popular song is certainly one of the most recognizable songs of that genre and era and is used extensively by the media. - '''[[User:Floydian|<font color="#5A5AC5">ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ</font>]]''' <sup>[[User_talk:Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">τ</font>]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Floydian|<font color="#3AAA3A">¢</font>]]</sub> 16:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' great singer <span style=font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'><font color=orange>[[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|♫GoP♫]]</font></span><sub>[[User talk:GreatOrangePumpkin|<font color=red>T</font>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/GreatOrangePumpkin|<font color=red>C</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:NewPages|<font color=red>N</font>]]</sup> 17:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
*'''Support''' great singer <span style=font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'><font color=orange>[[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|♫GoP♫]]</font></span><sub>[[User talk:GreatOrangePumpkin|<font color=red>T</font>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/GreatOrangePumpkin|<font color=red>C</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:NewPages|<font color=red>N</font>]]</sup> 17:02, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
:'''comment''' only 1-line on her death, can we get more. reaction perhas?[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 19:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
:'''comment''' only 1-line on her death, can we get more. reaction perhas?[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] ([[User talk:Lihaas|talk]]) 19:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
::...<span style=font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'><font color=orange>[[User:GreatOrangePumpkin|♫GoP♫]]</font></span><sub>[[User talk:GreatOrangePumpkin|<font color=red>T</font>]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/GreatOrangePumpkin|<font color=red>C</font>]]</sup><sub>[[Special:NewPages|<font color=red>N</font>]]</sup> 20:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
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Costa Concordia disaster: The body of a woman is discovered by search teams aboard the stricken cruise shipCosta Concordia, bringing the confirmed death toll of the ship's capsizing to 12. Rescue efforts continue apace, as it is feared the ship may soon slip into deeper waters off the Italian coast. (MSNBC)
Law and crime
Under new guidelines to come into force from April 30, clinics which charge for pregnancy services, including abortions, will be able to advertise on radio and television in the United Kingdom, after the Broadcast Committee of Advertising Practice ruled there was no justification for barring such clinics from advertising their services. (BBC)
Leading international virologists agree to temporarily halt work on a more virulent strain of the H5N1influenza virus, due to fears that an airborne strain of the lethal virus could be used by bioterrorists. (New Scientist)
Nominator's comments: The cyclone struck days after another tropical disturbance hit southern Mozambique (the first storm to do so since 1984), and its path potentially puts that same area at risk of further flooding. Recent floods in the past week are almost reminiscent of 2000. ~AH1(discuss!)19:33, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Article needs updating The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: I lost the source i was copying it from and a bit tired to find it now, should be easy if someone can just add that merged from newly created 1-l;ine pageLihaas (talk) 18:14, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's comments: The head of Swedens main opposition party resigns after a number of "scandals" less than a year after being appointed. Feel free to change the blurb. --BabbaQ (talk) 15:51, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Around 2,000 women in Malawi stage a protest against attacks on women wearing trousers, who were stripped in the streets by unemployed youths and street vendors. (The Telegraph)
Nominator's comments: I do recognize that this may be a bit of navel-gazing (even after de-Wikipedia-ifying the blurb), though this still remains a hot topic in the news. But this has shown that the Internet protest was effective (and while it is about US politics, it was a global participation and with potential global impacts). --MASEM (t) 17:20, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support You beat me to it, I was coming here to post. The blurb isn't ideal, I was thinking "In response to opposition from (the internet?), SOPA and PIPA are put on hold indefinitely". Either update the existing post and move it back to #1 or make a new one. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regretful oppose at the moment, for two reasons. Firstly because if we are going to post this, the article would *have* to be renamed first. It's one thing to link to English Wikipedia blackout for the current blurb, quite another to claim sole credit for this achievement. Secondly pending evidence that media organisations more widely are concluding that there was a causal link between the protests and these decisions (although I consider that likely to happen). —WFC— 18:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I do support an update of sorts, I'm just very uncomfortable with the blurb drawing an explicit connection between the protests and the bills being postponed, however obvious it seems that one led to the other. I could get on board with a weaker statement to the same effect, such as "Following protests on January 18,..." —WFC— 07:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support while the death was expected, her influence to the music field was too significant to pass up. Many key awards and achievements, was a significant influence to the rise of R&B music and for some of the biggest singers of our time, like Janis Joplin. Rolling Stone magazine called her the 23rd greatest singer of all time. Plus the article is in decent shape. Secretaccount00:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Her legacy is huge, she's in the Hall of Fame and is respected by just about everyone who knows something about music. No issue whatsoever in putting on the front page. doktorbwordsdeeds03:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support as an undeniable legend, had a huge role in her era of Popular Music, was an icon to a generation of young women, helped break racial boundaries. Her most popular song is certainly one of the most recognizable songs of that genre and era and is used extensively by the media. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲτ¢16:59, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment From the article, I see phase 1 and 2 are already online. If only phase 3 and 4 were rejected, the blurb and article should make this clear. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 15:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Absolutely massive news up here in Canada (who will now apparently be looking at China instead), and I suspect it is of some major interest in the United States as well. Melicans (talk, contributions) 06:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose From where I'm sat, this appears to be something that few outside of North America had heard about, not being built. But even if the potential strategic significance overrides European ignorance, this looks more like political brinksmanship than a definitive cancellation. Obama's reason for rejecting it was being given a deadline (by Republicans) that he did not believe was sufficient to assess the impact of the project. —WFC— 07:35, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The point of this nomination was to showcase the article. Not everything in ITN has to be 'big news' if the article is in good shape and encyclopedic. Colipon+(Talk) 17:43, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Anonymous takes down quite a large number of sites with DDos attacks in response to Megaupload/Megavideo shutdown by FBI. The sites include MPAA, FBI, EMI and many others. This is one of the biggest coordinated attacks ever and is becoming major news... keep an eye out. -- Ashish-g5502:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose some of the sites weren't even down, they just loaded slowly; although they claim it to be the biggest set of attacks yet, they do this practically every other weekend. SpencerT♦C02:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
here, and i know they do this often. i wouldnt have posted this if i didnt think that these are indeed one of the biggest attacks. just the shutdown of all Mega sites is a fairly big news -- Ashish-g5502:27, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support - While the retaliation is not so much of a big deal, the takedown of Megaupload is very much so. It has even greater ramifications than closing down Piratebay since Megaupload was considered a legitimate filesharing website. This is not news to be sneezed at.--WaltCip (talk) 02:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support MU shutdown news, oppose attacks news: The shutdown of MU is quite notable, since MU was a significant "file sharing" website, and that this action by the feds took a lot of people by surprise, it's currently hot news all over the internet. As for these "Anonymous" attacks, they really aren't that significant, because when isn't there some site being DDoSed by people claiming to be Anonymous? -- 李博杰 | —Talkcontribsemail03:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support shutdown, oppose attacks. The shutdown is notable, and we posted The Pirate Bay. One of the top news stories, while the attacks were secondary coverage that was a footnote of what happened. Secretaccount06:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support as per above but I don't think any file-sharing websites/hosts such as MegaUpload can (now) be considered legitimate for the obvious reason that most of the content isn't checked or filter, torrents were probably once legitimate too. Will be very interested in hearing the results of this case, it could be a revolutionary trial that may affect the future of the internet. YuMaNuMaContrib13:01, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Megaupload seizure story, this represents a pathetic attempt by the "government" to pacify Hollywood/RIAA after their humiliating defeat over SOPA/PIPA on Wednesday. Speciate (talk) 13:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I hope this "support" isn't included in the decision making process. These arrests took months of planning and co-operation with international governments. This had absolutely nothing to do with the "SOPA blackout". --76.18.43.253 (talk) 15:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose I would drop the strong if the comment from "anonymous" is dropped from the lead. How the hell does a group called "anonymous" issue an official statement? Seriously. The oppose still stands, it's just a shut down warez site, happens all the time. RIP megaupload, mininova, torrentspy, et al. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
This isnt just some warez site. It was meant to be legal and FBI took them down without SOPA a day after protests. Attacks may not be newsworthy but at the time they did seem big and if they keep happening they might just be. -- Ashish-g5513:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Script kiddies with a botnet isn't news, ever. As for the arrests, "SOPA" wasn't needed. The authorities in New Zealand legally arrested Kim and the others based on a request by the DOJ. There will be an extradition hearing before they're sent to the United States. The FBI has no authority in NZ, so for the arrests to be made, the DOJ and State must have made a pretty compelling argument that these individuals were deliberately and intentionally facilitating online piracy. The basis of this nomination is that it's somehow news that some international criminals were arrests by the mechanism of international law enforcement, and that simply isn't the case. Not news. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 14:05, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose because the blurb should also acknowledge the retaliatory action. While Megaupload is pretty big, such closures are relatively routine. The retaliation was the amplifying factor that made the media take more than a passing notice. —WFC— 18:31, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I do not support conditionally; I oppose the Megaupload story alone as routine by itself, but consider the retaliation to take the entire event over the threshold. Please stop badgering every opposer. —WFC— 03:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I havent badgered anyone... considering i nominated the item i have every right to refute opposes. And your comment sounds like you support if both were posted which you restated again. So i dont see how you dont support conditionally. -- Ashish-g5517:23, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support without mention of "retaliatory action". The "retaliation" did not come from Megaupload, but rather a few kids with botnets. You may or may not feel that their action is commendable, but I think it should be pretty obvious to anyone with a little bit of common sense that this is far from significant enough to be posted on ITN. JimSukwutput20:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I respectfully disagree, but you're entitled to your view. I'm responding to protest the implication that there might be a correlation between those who consider the action notable and those that condone it. I would not accept that on the street and I do not accept it here. I'm minded to be more vociferous in my condemnation, but appreciate the possibility that may not have been your intended meaning. —WFC— 03:25, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support shutdown, as Megaupload was a huge site which was actually legitimate, and the imminent legal battle is, according to several sources, set to be one of the biggest copyright infringement cases of all time. --DorsalAxe20:44, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support...ish... because usually I would send Anonymous nominations in the fire of FAIL. This time, though, we have a framing narractive and a context, both of which give this nomination the kudos required for front page inclusion. In ordinary circumstance this would not be trusted with a watch match: this time however, I think we are justified in awarding it ITN status.
Support. Megaupload was a pretty big international website, but this event is also significant in the history of internet censorship in the United States. To WFC's objection, I saw many stories that did not mention the retaliatory action at all. Shrigley (talk) 21:26, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support to the Megaupload part because it could end up having major reprecussions to copyright law. Strong oppose to mentioning Anonymous since all they accomplished was a few hours of overloading a website's servers. --PlasmaTwa222:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The only real reason to give attention to Anonymous attacks is that they could be used by SOPA lobbyists and end up doing more harm than good. Even though the damage done to sites was minimal but the sites involved were of very high profile. Now is that good enough for ITN... maybe. But looking at comments above i would say consensus is towards posting MU shutdown only. -- Ashish-g5523:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for anonymous retaliation - One of their many retaliation attacks against governments is not notable nor significant. Since their establishment, they have taken down dozens of government websites and apparently all their attacks had a message behind it. YuMaNuMaContrib01:20, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Anonymous always respected Wikipedia and their sister projects because (and the SOPA blackout was an indicator), Wikipedia always been an example of a free Intenet. Other than a rouge hacker or two whom is more personal than political, I don't ever recall an severe hacking of the entire project. It has no substance. Secretaccount04:17, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I never said I opposed anonymous' retaliation, I opposed the posting of the retaliation on ITN. Despite our subtle alliance, there have been several instances where they did attack a few of our articles but I guess that's the problem with an organisation with no leader. YuMaNuMaContrib07:13, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the numbers here, to post one side's achievements and not the other's looks like US bias, because it is not reflective of overall coverage of the story. Google is of course not a definitive source, but compare [6] with [7]. —WFC— 07:03, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment To help the blurb (space permitting), it is also worth noting that she was a pioneer of her sport, helped get it into the Olympics, and was a medal favourite for Sochi. Resolute02:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support at least in Toronto it has been in the news almost constantly over the past week and a half, so there is certainly some significance here. - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲτ¢02:13, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Tragic, but far from being notable. Death of an active sportsperson in freestyle skiing with decent regard and conspicuous silence outside the sport does not suffice inclusion. Freestyle skiing is a sport with wide variety of disciples, but superpipe is even not among the most popular in broader terms. In addition, the news was announced as a secondary sports news.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 02:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. @ Kiril: "Death of an active sportsperson in freestyle skiing with decent regard and conspicuous silence outside the sport does not suffice inclusion." Why doesn't it? An Olympic athlete killed in a sports-related accident is not notable? What if she died from some rare event, like lightening or something? Very notable individual killed at a very early age supported by wide-spread international coverage. Seems to meet the threshold for inclusion. And considering the slow week it has been outside of the SOPA drama this would appear to be a solid posting. WikifanBe nice02:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I think she's not so notable. It's true that she did a lot for the fast-growing popularity of the sport and the death came suddenly, but the notability is limited to a sports circle that is hardly popular among the other sports. On the other hand we used to be strict regarding the deaths of sportspeople in the past and other notable sportspeople in more popular sports, such like Kamila Skolimowska and Pavel Karelin were not included, so I don't see a reason why to do it right now.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 02:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Who? (Simply making the point that I have heard of Burke, but not the others. Popularity of sports is obviously a matter of perspective.) Also, unlike the others, Burke's death came from competing. The others, while tragic, didn't. HiLo48 (talk) 02:45, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. That's what I mean. It's only a matter of perspective, as everybody has own opinion. For me her death is not something very notable that meets the threshold and I provided my opinion for that, while for others it is and they provided their opinions as well. I don't accuse anybody for being right or not.:)--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 02:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support--four time X Games winner and freestyle world champion at one point, certainly one of the major figures in her field. C628 (talk) 02:40, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think the "X-games" is relevant, but there is a WP:RS which says she lobbied the IOC to have her sport included in the 2014 winter games, which gives her some notability in the field. I have some concerns about the article as well, comments like "in which she showcased her skills by sliding huge rainbow rails" need fixing. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 13:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. At the time of her death there were only 3 other wikipedia-languages with articles on her, and even the English one was very short. This tells me that she wasn't very famous at all. --Shanes (talk) 14:04, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support if the article can be improved to a state where her death isn't occupying 1/3 of the page. From what I've seen on Canadian media it's clear that she had a significant effect on the sport. Plus her death was totally unexpected. Colipon+(Talk) 14:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Kiril. At that young age, I think very few people would truly be significant enough to merit a post on ITN. We really don't post that many deaths around here, mostly only the kind of people that'd be significant enough to appear in the history books. JimSukwutput20:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Despite it being an Olympic sport, it is like BMX racing, still not considered to be in the mainstream, not to the level of ice skating or ice hockey, therefore classifying it as a minority sport. Donnie Park (talk) 21:48, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support- Although it was extremely predictable and imminent, this is still extremely significant; the company was one of the largest in the 20th century and according to the article, it sold 90% of the films and 85% of the cameras in America in the late 20th century. YuMaNuMaContrib01:22, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support- While I agree with YuMaNuMa that this is far from surprising, it is still a very important event dealing with a major international company and brand with world-wide recognition. --Allen3talk01:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Yes, a major sign of changing times. And Allen3 is right to broaden this beyond US borders. It WAS an international company, with a big cultural impact on people all over the world. HiLo48 (talk) 01:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support Important news related to a major international company and one of the largest in the industry. Every bankrupt sign for a such company is worth inclusion.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 02:19, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This one is more or less ready to post, I'd just like to have a longer blurb. For all digital-era kids, would it be worthwhile to mention what Kodak was producing? --Tone07:28, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
amended blurb, details are on the page. at any rate, anyone whos lived before the digital camera age knows kodak (and Fuji Films). They were like Xerox, a proper noun that entered hte normal lexiconLihaas (talk) 13:08, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Strong strong strong oppose the company has not stopped operating. Per the lead of the article: "On January 19, 2012, Kodak filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection and obtained a $950 million, 18-month credit facility from Citigroup to enable it to continue trading.". If they go up for liquidation then sure, but not now. This exactly the same as American Airlines. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 13:24, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Chapter 11 allows reorganization and protection from creditors during the process. Kodak now has 18 months to work out a deal to repay it's debt and become a profitable company. This is a fairly routine corporate maneuver in the US. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 14:09, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, we should only post these if it's closing or a liquidation, which chapter 11 is not, or if it's the largest bankruptcy of all time, a la Worldcom. --Golbez (talk) 14:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Interesting story and turn of events for a not long ago really famous and important company. One wikipedia should give readers the background story and history of. --Shanes (talk) 14:14, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support per Colipon and the fact company was a major player in their industry. Bankruptcies are common though, and it seemed like this was coming for awhile, so I can't give full support. Beyond495 (talk) 14:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Severed human hands and feet are found near the Hollywood sign in Los Angeles, California, close to where a man's severed head was recently discovered. Los Angeles police continue their search for more body parts connected with the case. (Huffington Post)
Federal prosecutors in the United States charge seven people with insider trading in shares of computer firm Dell Inc., alleging that the ring made a criminal profit of nearly $62 million. (Reuters)
Vietnam's Prime Minister Nguyễn Tấn Dũng orders an investigation into a guerrilla-style standoff with farmers who laid land mines and firing improvised shotguns amid a land eviction. (Straits Times)
Article updated The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Given the particular problems that the blackout will pose for ITN, which generally takes a day to make up its mind, I have started this section now for discussion on whether/what we will post about SOPA action by Wikipedia and other sites. By getting ready now, we have 24 hours to ensure that we have a good, neutrally worded draft with broad support behind it. It would thus be ready to post when the blackout ends, provided that it receives significant coverage; in my opinion that is a foregone conclusion, as is the fact that the article will be significantly updated. For the avoidance of any doubt, I'm not suggesting that we post before the blackout, merely that we prepare now. —WFC— 01:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have deliberately omitted a blurb; my suggestion is that we draft below and put the one with the most consensus at the top later on. —WFC— 01:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Should probably be mentioned that it is not currently clear whether or not there will be front page on 18th.
That aside support. This wouldn't normally qualify for ITN (has any news source covered it yet?), but if there ever was a time when IAR applied, this is it.
@FormerIP – there won't be a traditional main page on the 18th; the intention of this is to ensure that we've got our act together come the 19th. —WFC— 03:16, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To follow up, now that Google itself will be part of the effort (not blacking out, but at least altering their main page for the day), I definitely think any blurb should be the coordinated effort, highlighting the WP blackout, but not solely about it. --MASEM (t) 20:00, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's international news. It's number three news item on the website of The Age, a spreadsheet newspaper in Melbourne, Australia, normally regarded as a reliable source on almost everything. HiLo48 (talk) 03:05, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Recommend that if it is added, the blurb can headline Wikipedia, but it should be noted several other popular websites like Reddit are also doing this as well. --MASEM (t) 03:07, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Accusations of navel-gazing aside, there is no denying that this and other blackouts are receiving international coverage.--WaltCip (talk) 03:08, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support posting now, and specifically about Wikipedia's blackout as that is what appears to be getting the news coverage. Maybe we could consider that it's a case of WP:IAR and put up a blurb that doesn't actually link to an article (I don't think we have one relevant other than the SOPA article itself) — or even a blurb linking to the blackout notice/statement. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 03:12, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking from a notability standpoint, that's reaaaaally iffy (see WP:NEVENT). SOPA#Protest_actions is the better link section. Mind you, if after the blackouts there's significant impact, then a separate article might be warranted. --MASEM (t) 03:28, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
There probably will be an article, but the breadth and depth of depth at this point is hard to tell. Just WP's SOPA blackout? The general blackout with WP's aspect being more predominate? As an ITN item, the main SOPA page seems to be the best target as to not seem biased. --MASEM (t) 04:39, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
To be fair, any discussion of SOPA/PIPA has hardly hit the news until recently, unless you follow tech news sites. Per NEVENT, that's why we generally wait until after an event's played out to assess if an article is appropriate, instead of crystal-balling the significance. --MASEM (t) 13:56, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support but, if we post it on the day of the blackout . . . nobody is going to read about it in ITN. It'll be blacked out. So, I guess we'l be posting it now or after the fact no matter what. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:03, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but post on the 19th, when there will have been much more coverage and the article will have been significantly expanded by then. Mjroots (talk) 07:36, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Question Considering the fact that there's a big black banner at the top of the Main Page informing the readers about the blackout, why do we need to post the story on ITN to duplicate it? Or what exactly would the blurb be? Well, on 19th we'll see how big the thing got web-wide, we can run the story then. --Tone08:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The mobile wikipedia will be readable, as I understand, and does not have the banner either. There would therefore be some sense to posting before we go dark. —WFC— 09:54, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wait to see what the media interest is, oppose any self-reference at this stage. So far this has really only made the technology pages, but that might change. Modest Geniustalk10:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment this is now placing on google news. There is currently an AFD for 2012 Wikipedia blackout so who knows. Since the blackout will still allow visitors to click a link to continue to wikipedia, this can be on ITN on the 18th and be very timely. --76.18.43.253 (talk) 11:18, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support Could this be seen as a COI? We are all editors who have a vested interest in keeping wikipedia running. Well, most of us I imagine. If a posting is expected to occur, I'd prefer we wait until it is over. It's not like there is some contract. WikifanBe nice16:57, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support iff WP is not mentioned I'll support this but since there are quite a few websites doing this including reddit we can only mention something like "Multiple websites". If there is wikipedia mentioned in the blurb then i will oppose -- Ashish-g5500:36, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
But that would not be reflecting the sources. Wikipedia's blackout was mentioned everywhere. The others very rarely and then only in tech pages or on specialist sites. To mention the others, even in passing, would take a fair bit of synthesis, which we shouldn't do. HiLo48 (talk) 05:21, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Support. We don't need self referencing of any sort, this is making news here in faraway India (I mean a half-page newspaper article, not a small mention); I suspect this is bigger news in the States, and there should be no dearth of sources whatsoever. On its own, I'd say this would stand a fair chance at passing in ITNC. Lynch702:21, 18 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am working on updating the article to reflect the early news. Be aware: it may change names to reflect the wider action across all websites (though giving the WP action its own section). --MASEM (t) 05:37, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Misleading and frankly both the blurb and article are rushed. The current blurb makes it sound like Wikipedia was the ringleader of the blackout movement, and even if it didn't, the focus should be on the blackout, not on Wikipedia's participation. Something less self-involved would be better, like "Several high profile websites take part in a campaign to protest against SOPA and PIPA", and expand the target article to cover the whole protest, not just Wikipedia's action. Wikipedia is not the primary focus of the majority of news articles I've read, nor should its participation in a larger event be the centrepiece of our own coverage. There were a number of high profile participants in the protests, of which Wikipedia was just one. TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 06:45, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify my position, this blurb should be pulled until the article is in a decent (and less self-focused) state. We're not a newswire, we don't need to rush items to the front page when they're not ready. TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 06:53, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
@TechnoSymbiosis: the blurb, itself, was somewhat rushed, and I was waiting for more consensus, but seeing as how it's also a minority topic on several fronts (despite it being a majority topic for Wikipedians), I combined the strong consensus prior to the blackout with the emerging consensus from the blurb. Furthermore, ITN was woefully outdated, even accounting for the blackout period. No worries, however; if a couple more people agree with your change, I/we can implement it. --slakr\ talk /07:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No problem at all, Slakr. I grudgingly accept that consensus is against me here, I just wish we'd considered the problems of self-reporting before pushing for an ITN appearance. I don't expect my suggestion to get much more support, to be honest, but I can dream =) TechnoSymbiosis (talk) 08:53, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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