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June 30

Planet Heroes

I ran across Planet Heroes while looking at articles that were tagged as potential spam. Almost every reference in this article is a sales site such as Fisher-Price.com or Amazon, and most of them are now dead. I tried to find other types of articles but couldn't. Is this appropriate for deletion? Leschnei (talk) 01:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Leschnei Maybe http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/tf2007/mattel.shtml ? Naraht (talk) 00:09, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Naraht, thanks but the links on that page just lead to larger versions of the thumbnails. There is no actual information except for the name of each figure. Leschnei (talk) 01:56, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riga

Dear Wikipedia Editors,

As citizen of Latvia and capital of Riga, I would like to inform you that there is some photo which does not reflects real facts about Riga. Would be nice if you could to delete picture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riga#/media/File:Zolitude_paula_lejina_playground.JPG "Playground in Zolitūde". Nowadays all playgrounds for children is located in designated areas and meets the modern EU requirements. Old playgrounds from Soviet era are demolished — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.153.171.116 (talk) 07:35, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I can see that this image might give a bad impression. Are you able to supply us with a more modern photograph to replace it? Dbfirs 08:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

It should be noted however that the image is in a section about the Soviet-era. But some copyediting and rework might be required there. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 08:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Anonymous user constantly editing page and not responding to talk request

Hi There,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_England_national_rugby_union_team_results_2010–19

have been updating this page (with others) since 2014 - I recently noticed an edit that I felt was incorrect, so amended it. The same incorrect change was repeated again, so I put comments in the edit history as it why it was incorrect., and opened a talk page to try and explain. There was no response, so after 2 weeks I again made the correction - which has again been undone by the same IP address ID'd user.

not sure what to do now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jprb1959 (talk • contribs) 13:04, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

If you look more closely, you'll see that it was not the same IP, so you can't assume that they even saw your note. My advice is twofold: (1) open a thread on the talk page (Talk:List of England national rugby union team results 2010–19) expressing your concerns; (2) leave a neutrally-worded note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rugby union asking for help monitoring the page. In looking over the page's history, I see that no established, long-term editors have edited it in more than a year, so you really need to get more eyes on this. Incidentally, the topic area of the list is way outside my expertise, but I don't see any sources at all. All content should be verifiable, and right now it looks as though we're supposed to take your word for it that your version is correct. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 14:03, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Edition of a page on Wikipedia

I edited the name of my grandfather from Adafersaw Yenadu to Adefrsew Yendau. I did so because the spelling of his name was wrong. But, I was not able to edit the entry title. Please instruct me on how to do it or please change it for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azeb Adefrsew (talk • contribs) 14:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for pointing out the error, but can you provide a reliable source for the correct spelling? We need to make sure that content is verifiable. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 14:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikilink to Adafersaw Yenadu for the convenience of anyone interested. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.217.103.214 (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the books which mention your grandfather seem to use the original spelling of the article, so we will have to go back to that unless you can find a WP:Reliable source that uses your spelling. We appreciate that spelling of names can be variable, but we have to go with what the books say because we are an encyclopaedia. Can you point us to somewhere where your spelling is used? Dbfirs 19:10, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Major issues with "Jewish Prayer Modes" entry

The above mentioned entry (Jewish Prayer Modes)has many many problems, to the degree that it needs to be completely re-done or have a different submission for it if anyone is willing to do the work. It is not a matter of editing a detail here and there. How do I go about at least explaining this, and to whom? Elisha Ben Abuya (talk) 14:37, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Elisha Ben Abuya. Every article has a talk page where the article can be discussed. In this case, that would be Talk:Jewish prayer modes. But realize that the way Wikipedia operates is that articles are updated, rewritten, watched, worked on, etc. by people interested in topics and willing to roll up their sleeves.

Everyone you see here – everyone who has edited that article; anyone who would respond to such a request; me responding to your question right now – is a volunteer member of the public, just like you except as to their experience level (but we were all new once), who is donating their time to try to help write an encyclopedia.

So, you may be brand new to Wikipedia, but since you are interested in the topic, rewriting it is your "job" just as much as it is anyone else's—but where you are the person who wants something done.

A post to the article talk page (if at all, making highly specific suggestions: exactly what is wrong, what should be removed, what should be changed, how you would rewrite it, specific language... what sources back up the suggestions) might result in some other volunteer, also interested in that subject, acting, but it's just as likely on average that very few people are watching that article and you might wait 5 years for any response at all, or that the response you will get will be in the vein of "so fix it".

So, what I think you really should do instead is to start learning the ropes (for that I recommend taking a tour through the tutorial and then reading Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia) and then boldly rewrite it yourself. But please understand that Wikipedia runs on reliable sourcing for verification and other purposes. Please keep that in the front of your mind if you are willing to wade in, after you've dipped your toes by starting this thread. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:44, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Elisha Ben Abuya, in addition to the excellent advice by Fuhghettaboutit you might also consider raising the issue at WT:WikiProject Judaism as that is where you will find other editors who are specifically interested in the subject. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:50, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Are my buttons meant to look like this?

I'm using Chrome on a Mac. Are my buttons meant to look like this? [1] They used to be less ugly, and I'm pretty sure they don't look like this when I edit on Chrome on PC. Popcornduff (talk) 15:13, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Looks like you've zoomed in, try CTRL+0 (that's a zero) - X201 (talk) 15:41, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Ugh. Thanks, that was it. Embarrassingly, I don't even think that's the first time I've been caught by that. Popcornduff (talk) 18:52, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Just for the record, it's Command+0 (⌘+0) on a Mac. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 04:13, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

changes continuing to be reversed

The factual changes made to View, Inc. are being undone or reversed by user DeniseJZ. I have referenced legal documents from the company as the basis for the changes made. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmplaton (talk • contribs) 18:12, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jmplaton and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are an employee of the company, then you need to declare your WP:conflict of interest. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia that reports what WP:reliable sources have written about the subject, and cannot accept private legal documents as evidence. Please stop removing sources from the article, and discuss any changes that you wish to make on the talk page of the article. We should be able to find some WP:Reliable sources for the updates that you wish to make. Dbfirs 18:54, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

You need to give @DeniseJZ: time to respond. You need to read WP:COI, and you immediately need to remove the legal threat that you placed on DeniseJZ's talk page. I removed the funding section that you added because it was a copy of text that was already in the article. - X201 (talk) 19:05, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

(ec) Both you Jmplaton and DeniseJZ need to stop edit warring immediately and start discussing the issue on the article talk page. To confirm what Dbfirs has said, only published sources are usable. If you are an employee, agent, owner or representative in any capacity of the company you are required to post a paid editor declaration, this is mandatory not optional. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

a few questions regarding using Twitter

Non Wiki-related discussion of Twitter

1st: I hope it's the right place to ask about this kind of application. It seems that there's no way to contact Twitter for any sort of direct appeal or questions, eventhough, sometimes, it's very necessary, and even expected. Is it so ? There must be a way, afterall ! E.g., I want to change my username from a current, say, @aaaaaaaa to another, chosen by myself - how can this be done ? Suppose I wish to make a personal contact with someone there - how can this be done ? Unlike Facebook, and, of course, Wikipedia, there's no way to make a personal contact directly (email address or otherwise), or am I wrong ? Is it possible to be followed by a 'hidden' follower ? I ask that because, since tomorrow, the counter gives a count which is higher than the actual number of followers (which can visually be seen). How can I set a button of 'tweet to aaaaa', just under 'photos & videos' (and other possible tools) ? בנצי (talk) 20:07, 30 June 2017 (UTC) Hi בנצי. Sorry it's not. Have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:25, 30 June 2017 (UTC) Thank you. I, indeed, doubted it, and my intuition went wrong (thinking computing is one thing, & using applications is another). O.k. בנצי (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2017 (UTC) I've tried to use the link you gave, but somehow it appears singly in some unclear page, eventhough it is titled 'ref desk / computing'. What's wrong ? How can I remove it ? (in the meanwhile, I've already raised these questions in a regular (rather than short) manner). בנצי (talk) 08:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC) @בנצי: You should have reached a page headed "Editing Wikipedia:Reference desk/computing (new section)". There should then be a blank line for you to type a heading and then a blank edit window for you to type your question. Type away and when happy press 'save' and it will add a section to the reference desk for you. Eagleash (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC) I'll look at it again later. בנצי (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC) In the meantime, you can send a direct message (private message) on Twitter to someone who is following you. Clicking on the Avatar next to the 'tweet' button at the top of the page gives you a number of dropdown options. The followers count is known to be erratic sometimes. It is possible to change both display name and '@name'. I've done so in the past. Eagleash (talk) 09:52, 1 July 2017 (UTC) That's the point: only to my followers (or otherwise allowed to, according to his personal definitions). However, what about others ?? It looks like somewhat peculiar social code - I've to be 'chosen' to be permitted to make a direct contact - most of the natural-occurring encounters don't depend on preliminary 'condition', and open to initiative. Moreover, how can I reach someone who ceased to be active for quite a long period ? Having regular or electronic address could have solved this problem and restore normal interactions. Thought to contemplate. Where do I change my display name & @ ? בנצי (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC) @בנצי: It's the way Twitter has always operated. It's perfectly reasonable not to allow you to send messages to people who don't "know" you. You can tweet to another user by putting their @name at the beginning of a tweet. This is more public but can only be seen by other users who follow you both. Again, click on the avatar by the tweet button at the top of the home page. This will give you a dropdown. You can then edit your profile and also change username under "settings and privacy". Any further questions please go to the ref-desk, but feel free to link to this discussion. Link would be [[Wikipedia:Help desk#a few questions regarding using Twitter]]). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 14:35, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

July 1

Help me

Hey i am zaid. I want help from you. I want to edit waqar zaka's Wikipedia there all written wrong information that i want to correct it. When we go to edit and click edit button then vandalism something came and nothing happens so i have a correct information about him and can edit right information so help me that i can edit. Thank you

• Zaid* 11:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaid.irfan.52 (talk • contribs)

The question was answered on the article's talk page. Ruslik_Zero 13:21, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I didn't see an answer, but I added one.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Kindle location instead of page numbers

I need a way of showing a Kindle location instead of a page number. Since the book will provide a number of references throughout the article, I really need something equivalent to the {{rp|page=23}}. Otherwise I am just stuck with including
|at=Kindle location 5111
in the full citation - but this will seriously unbalance the listed references for the article, as I have printed versions of all the other main sources where I can use the rp template. Just putting the chapter number in does not really help, as it is a really long chapter - but I might have to go with that if there is nothing else.ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 13:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi ThoughtIdRetired. Does a paper version of the book exist? If there is (and assuming you don't have access, which I think has to be the case since you wouldn't have asked this question if you did), then you can probably get the page numbers provided to you through a post to WP:RX. If it's only electronic, then this is another example of an ongoing problem that I know of no solution to. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:42, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi ThoughtIdRetired. Occasionally the Google books version has enough of the book available to see the page number. Newer Kindle books often show page numbers (if the publisher has provided that information). Otherwise the kindle location is the best we can do. If the book has chapters add the chapter the reference is in to help pin it down for paper book readers. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:53, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Commas in image file names

Is comma (',') a valid character in a Commons filename?

I am having problems with several images recently uploaded to Commons by Jason.nlw, and I suspect that these are caused by commas in the file names. Jason.nlw has uploaded about 500 jpg images of album covers which have recently been released by a record company, for example c:File:Bois y Fro, album cover.jpg.

The problem I am getting is that when I add one of these images to an article it is not displayed, I get a white rectangle with a picture icon in the corner. Dennis O'Neill (tenor) is an example.

I have made a page at User:Verbcatcher/comma that includes all the album covers that Jason.nlw recently uploaded. With the latest Chrome browser on two computers almost all of the images whose file names contain commas do not display. All the images without commas display correctly.

After some investigation I am attributing this to an incompatibility between the latest Chrome browser for Windows 10 and Wikipedia pages that contain images with a comma in the file name. The images display correctly on Commons. An older version of Chrome works, and the Microsoft Edge and IE browsers work. I have tried clearing Chrome's cached images, cookies and browsing history.

Is there a known problem with commas in file names? c:Commons:File renaming does not specify any invalid characters in file names, although c:Template:Rename says that '/' is invalid.

When I display Dennis O'Neill (tenor), my Chrome console shows the following error:

Dennis_O'Neill_(tenor):48 GET https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/91/Caro_Mio_Ben%2C_album_cover.jpg/220px-Caro_Mio_Ben%2C_album_cover.jpg net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION

I searched for the error on the web. A contributor on this page commented "I have also found that comma in the filename will give that error (in Chrome only)." Another user responded that the issue could be resolved if you "quote the filename". This suggests a problem with the code generated by Wikipedia that should be raised with Wikipedia software engineering. What is the procedure for this? Verbcatcher (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

I just checked with Chrome Version 59.0.3071.115 (Official Build) (64-bit) on Windows 10 and there is not a problem with User:Verbcatcher/comma or Dennis O'Neill (tenor). You might want to take this to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) and see if they can help. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 07:38, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello everyone. Please ping me of this problem persists and i will try and arrange for the file names to be changed, as we obviously want people to be able to make the most of this new content. Cheers Jason.nlw (talk) 09:04, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather: Thanks for checking. I am using the same software versions as you. The problem has now gone away on both the computers where I observed it. However, I was not imagining the problem. I saved the non-working generated html for Dennis O'Neill (tenor): comparing this with today's working version, the comma in the jpg file name is now converted to %2C (the ASCII hex code for a comma). This change could be caused by a new release of Wikipedia systems software. I will watch for the problem reoccurring and raise it on Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) if I see it again. My motivation is to help fix problems in Wikipedia software, not my personal convenience. Thanks for your help.

@Jason.nlw:, as I have said, the problem has gone away, but I suspect that it could reappear. I suggest you do nothing about changing the existing file names, at least for now, but it may be a good idea to avoid commas in future file names. Thanks, Verbcatcher (talk) 21:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Writing and editing in Wikipedia

I am a novice at creating on this site, but have used it a great deal for reference. I can not understand how to navigate to where I need to be to create an entry, or to edit other people's entries as needed. I am a retired English Professor, and enjoy editing, so can you steer me to where I can do some good? Directions in very non-computerese, please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjobe18 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 1 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Jjobe18, and welcome to Wikipedia. I hope you´ll like it, it´s a very special place. I suggest you start with Help:Editing. Keep asking questions if you have them, in general I would recommend at Wikipedia:Teahouse, which focus on helping new editors. Happy editing! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Jjobel8. I have just put some links on your user talk page which I hope will be helpful. One point I would make: writing for Wikipedia is very different from most other kinds of writing, including most academic writing. For example, a Wikipedia article should never contain any argumentation or conclusions, unless it is summarising the argument or conclusions of a single cited source; if there are inconsistencies in the sources, it may point this out, but should never attempt to resolve them; it should not address the reader, or refer to the writer (even as "we"). Having said that, editors with expertise are always welcome to help us improve our articles, as long as they remember that their expertise does not automatically give them or their edits priority over other editors. --ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jjobe18. That's just how I felt when I started editing. There is so much detail to it. There is now a welcome to your talk page with a lot of blue links to click. Also click on blue links in this message. I know this all sounds complicated, but once you get into it you will find it gets much easier.

Wikipedia articles have a standard layout. Wikipedia:Writing better articles has a good section and shows how to create headings. Don't leave spaces at the beginning of the line. The Visual Editor makes it easy to create headings and subheadings. What order sections should go in is at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout. (I put a cheat sheet for myself at User:StarryGrandma/Samples).

Everything added these days has to have references (sources). But its fine to copyedit sections that aren't referenced yet. I've been doing references for five years and I still find it complicated. Using the simplest methods is fine. See Help:Referencing for beginners. What you know about a subject is very helpful for editing, but everything you add must be verifiable, that is has been published elsewhere first in a reliable source.

Please don't be taken aback by all this and keep editing. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:15, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

July 2

Page seems to have disappeared

Dear editors, I am not particularly familiar with the technical aspects of Wikipedia. In 2011 I had contributed to a page. Having logged in after a long time, I found that the page seems to have disappeared. Exact title or URL of page is https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indraprastha_Institute_of_Information_Technology&redirect=no May I know what has happened to it and how to fix it? Thanking you in anticipation. AnkitSarkar (talk) 06:33, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It is still there in the history. An editor redirected the page to another version that exists (though with less history to it). Jarkeld (talk) 06:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It seems Ashutosh.iiitd has done a cut-and-paste move in 2016 and then redirected the page instead of a proper move. A history merge would be appropriate. Jarkeld (talk) 06:44, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your help Jarkeld. May I know if I can do this myself or do I need to contact any administrator? AnkitSarkar (talk) 07:01, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Vandalism by User:Garrymust506

Article WittyFeed which was created through AFC, is being repeatedly vandalized by newly created account possibly a sock User:Garrymust506. The user has created account with purpose to delete article, placing speedy deletion tag, even when speedy deletion criteria doesn't apply. Please anyone look at the matter and resolve it. I would request to lock the page so that unregistered or new user cannot edit. 2405:204:2105:EEE4:5B01:2219:57B4:F77E (talk) 07:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes No unregistered user like you can edit it. You IP is here and you are just removing this tag. Are you the guy working for wittyfeed? Administrator please review the complete article. This is only made for promotional purpose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garrymust506 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Garrymust506. I assume that by "Only Self Promotion Nothing Else" you actually mean Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion? While I have no idea of the IP's motives I would not delete that as a speedy. On the other hand I see you are both editwarring over it and if either of you continue you will be blocked. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 07:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The article does not look like a speedy deletion candidate to me. There are some fairly solid looking refs. Take it to AFD if you think it should be deleted. And copying the speedy deletion notices to the article's talk page is not appropriate. Protecting the page would likely prevent both of you from editing it. And IPs are allowed to edit just as named accounts are. Both of you should read WP:EW. Meters (talk) 07:48, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Meters I ended up having to semi-protect it anyway. Another IP (likely the original) started up. I also declined the speedy. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 08:36, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on it. It does not look like a speedy candidate now, but I don't know what the two versions that were speedied looked like. I'll read the refs in detail to make sure this is properly supported. Meters (talk) 18:26, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I've looked at enough to say that I wouldn't support an AFD on this article.Meters (talk) 18:39, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Biased article Growth_Hacker_Marketing

I have no idea how to report this in other way. I came across this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_Hacker_Marketing and this seems to me overly biased. It sounds like blatant self-promotion. This really affects Wikipedia credibility. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marek Duda (talk • contribs) 09:10, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Marek Duda: Tigraan has already listed the article for deletion. You can provide your opinion on the article here. Have a great day! Daylen (talk) 17:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

File:Ottoman Hungary dancer.jpg

Uploaded November 20006. This file is a candidate to be copied to Wikimedia Commons. since February 2012... Is it possible to copy it now? --Informationswiedergutmachung (talk) 13:17, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Informationswiedergutmachung. As an image from 1570, I see no problem in doing so. Go for it. If you haven't already, I suggest reading Wikipedia:Moving files to Commons and then using the Move-to-commons assistant tool. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:26, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: My english isn't as good as I maybe think, I'm German. Can't you do that for me? Best Regards. --Informationswiedergutmachung (talk) 14:29, 2 July 2017 (UTC) My English is better than i tought... :D --Informationswiedergutmachung (talk) 14:54, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

A question on dispute resolutions

I'm looking for a bit of advice on dispute resolution etiquette that doesn't seem to be covered in the guidelines. Is somebody allowed to change an article to their preferred version before opening a dispute resolution? I ask because I have recently seen this happen, and to my mind the act of making changes to an article in such circumstances, i.e., minutes before starting a DRN, would seem not to be in keeping with the spirit of the process. Can anyone shed some light on this? Cheers, This is Paul (talk) 15:00, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Without looking into specific circumstances of the case it is impossible to answer your question. Ruslik_Zero 20:28, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Very well. It concerns this user, who was recently blocked for edit warring on 2017 Finsbury Park attack. They made this edit minutes before opening the dispute resolution here. I had some involvement in this at the beginning, but have been away on holiday and thought it resolved. I reverted the edit in the belief the user had acted improperly by making the change in such circumstances, but was quickly reverted by the user and challenged with "care to site rules on not being able to do so?". I'm inclined to think from past experience they're not interested in resolving anything, particularly as their modus operandi is to edit war, and their actions in this instance appear to go against what would be deemed appropriate behaviour when making a DRN request. This is Paul (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

How can I turn off Wikipedia's encryption?

I have an older computer and an older browser and they do not work well with the way Wikipedia is encrypted. Most of the time when I try to visit a Wikipedia site, I get an error message saying that "Firefox and en.wikipedia.org cannot communicate securely because they have no common encryption algorithms." Other times I will be able to see the text of the Wikipedia page, but the images will not load because they are encrypted.

Is there a way for me to turn off Wikipedia's encryption so that I can use Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.119.41 (talk) 18:13, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

What operating system do you use? Ruslik_Zero 20:26, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

OSX 4.11 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.228.119.41 (talk) 20:30, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I sometimes used Tiger and Firefox for Wikipedia as recently as 2011 with no problems, but six years is a lifetime when it comes to software. If you don't get a helpful response here, you might leave a message at WP:VPT. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 03:34, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

That's a 12 year old operating system (predating the iPhone and just 4 years older than the original iPod). That'll set you up for all sorts of problems. If you can try to find something newer, that would be best. There is often donation hardware that can be found via 2nd hand goods webshops etc. Be on the lookout. But for the meantime, it seems that TenFourFox specialises in this particular problem and is still alive. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 14:06, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Inaccurate and Outdated Information

Hi,

My name is Haroon Moghul, and I am writing in regards to the page created about me: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haroon_Moghul

There are significant errors in this piece, including: 1) Date of birth 2) My academic affiliation (I am not a doctoral candidate at Columbia University) 3) My professional affiliation (I am not a Fellow at the Institute for Social Policy and Understanding) 4) My other affiliations (I am not a contributor to Al Arabiya English)

Please let me know how I can make or propose changes to this article, to reflect accurate information.

Thank you.

108.5.247.61 (talk) 18:37, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I've removed the date of birth, as no source is cited for it. Sources are cited for the other claims, though they appear to be written by Haroon Moghul. Also, we don't know that the person making this request is really Haroon Moghul. Can you (whether or not you are him) cite reliable published sources for the correct affliations? Maproom (talk) 18:52, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

It certainly appears that the subject has written for Al Arabiya English. See http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/world/2014/02/20/Palestinians-and-Spaniards-The-historical-right-of-return.html for example. Meters (talk) 18:57, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

The IP can contact OTRS if he wishes to prove his identity. Meters (talk) 19:02, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Link to OTRS: Wikipedia:Volunteer Response Team. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 03:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

question

hi, I added [2] and [3] from Internet_Archive to my sandbox (for reference), just wanted to make certain theres no copyright violation, or anything, thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:11, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

answered elsewhere, thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:14, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

being threatened and accused of harassment

Hello, feel like I have offended Mr Fink (talk) who has put threats on my page telling me I will be blocked and punished for "harassment", I will be honest I do not feel welcomed and am personally a bit upset by this unkind language. At no point have I been aloud to ask my question, it keeps being taken away and I find this place has quite a hostile atmosphere. Can anybody please help — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victoria H Bright (talk • contribs) 21:34, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Your edit to Pinniped was not constructive, and your restore of it was not a good idea, but does not appear to me to warrant user:Apokryltaros jumping to a level 4 vandalism warning. The level 3 harassment warning appears to be for your topic header when you posted to his talk page (nothing wrong with the content of your message). Again, the warning appears to me to be far too harsh, but don't make comments or ask leading questions like that. You are free to remove almost anything you like from your talk page. I suggest that you remove his warnings, stay off his talk page, and don't make article edits such as the one that started this. Meters (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Victoria H Bright and welcome to Wikipedia. Sorry you are running into problems. You asked your question within the text of an article, rather than on the talk page. Articles are only for article content, they aren't blogs. An automatic program detected the words like "I have known many seals and still the answer is probably no." and reversed the edit. Wikipedia articles get a lot of vandalism and this program can't distinguish that from an innocent question asked in the wrong place. The program did leave you some useful information at User talk:Victoria H Bright. Vandals often put their material back after having been told it didn't belong, so a user also was confused about what you were doing when you put the question back. The best place to ask a question like "can a seal and a human ever really be friends?" is not at either the article or its talk page (which is about improving the article) but at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. Hope things will go better for you here. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:32, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Unfortunately the other editor involved has seen fit to elevate this to WP:AIV. I do not believe this is warranted as this is a 'rookie' mistake by a new user with less than half-a-dozen edits. Eagleash (talk) 22:42, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

Thankfully the report did not result in any action. The Admin. who reviewed it was more supportive of Victoria. Eagleash (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

I've left a comment on the one user's page, and I'm just going to remove the warnings form the new user's page.Meters (talk) 22:48, 2 July 2017 (UTC)

July 3

Question about logo upload

Hello!

I am a creating a wikipedia page for my client's company. But I am not allowed to upload their logo to the page. The warning advised me to a fill an organization logo upload form.

Could you please tell me where I can find this form or what would be a better way to upload a logo to the page.

Thank you

Xi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xi Jin (talk • contribs) 03:16, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello Xi. It's not clear exactly what you're asking. There's already a logo on the only page (except this one) that you've edited, which is Vipshop. Did you want to replace it, for some reason? Your one edit to that page was reverted because it was blatantly promotional in nature. I'd suggest reading the paid editor policy and conflict-of-interest guideline very carefully before making any more edits. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a vehicle for advertising. Rivertorch^FIRE_WATER 03:49, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

ClimaCell (weather forecaster)

This article seems to be an advertisement for a private weather consulting company. I have put the template "Advert" already but I question the validity of keeping this article at all. What is the procedure I should follow to propose a discussion about keeping it or not?

Pierre cb (talk) 03:41, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Pierre cb: You should take the article to WP:AFD to let other editors decide until a consensus has reached. KGirlTrucker81 ^{huh? what I've been doing} 04:12, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Pierre cb (talk) 05:33, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

List of Coronation Street characters (2017)

Can Rich Patel be added to the article with information about his storyline,[4] the man who sells cocaine to Daniel and asks Robert to launder money through his bistro?--Theo Mandela (talk) 08:49, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Theo Mandela: It seems a rather specialised question for the help desk. Seems a minor character that might possibly be included in the section entitled 'others'. But, really this a question for the article talk page or the appropriate Wiki project. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

He's part of a storyline and he's a current recurring character so he shouldn't be in the "others" section, can a entry and summary be added for the character please?--Theo Mandela (talk) 09:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Again seems a minor character with little (if anything) more to him than those in the 'others' section. Again though, this is really a question for the TP etc. where editors with a more specialised interest may see it and comment. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 09:26, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

pete davies

Pete Davies (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hi. There's a page about me which, while it's nice that someone's put it there, is slightly imbalanced and inaccurate. For example it describes me as an American historian on the link to it when you put in my name in the search box, when actually I'm an English author. I've long meant to go on it & make minor corrections, & otherwise bring it up to date, but when I've attempted to do so this morning I've had a message from 01II0 (or that may be 01ll0) telling me I'm doing something wrong. I'm sorry but I'm at a loss. Perhaps you can help?

Regards, Pete Davies

Petedavies2006 (talk) 09:41, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

It describes you as an American Historian only in so much as that's a category that covers your work, American Road. The heading at the top of Category:Historians of the United States states the following "The following are historians whose writings concern the history of the United States. For historians who are or were United States citizens, see Category:American historians." It's not saying that you're an American. You're in that category because you're NOT an American. - X201 (talk) 09:55, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I've tried recreating the search problem you mention, but can't. - X201 (talk) 09:58, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Some search tools pick up the description from Wikidata. I have edited the description there. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Petedavies2006:Hello and welcome. Unfortunately your edits have gone against several of the basic principles of Wikipedia. If you are who you say you are (obviously we cannot tell) then you have a conflict of interest and should not edit the page yourself but propose changes on the article talk page. Also your edits removed referenced material and added unsourced content. Wiki relies entirely on what has been written about article subjects in independent third party reliable sources and what a subject or anyone close to them has to say is not of very much import (if any). I have left a message with some useful links at your talk page. Eagleash (talk) 10:00, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

More generally, Pete, you might find WP:About you helpful to read, particularly the section "Concerns". --ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I Can't stay logged in

Every time I Log in it keeps saying username doesn't exist I can't talk or use the sand box my username is Monty2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.212.35.23 (talk) 17:17, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The edits from that account (the most recent being more than 3 years ago) are listed at Special:Contributions/Monty2011. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Denial of creative credit

I am a writer. Occasionally my auctorial credit is not included when my works are cited. Wikipedia doesn't allow self-corrections. What can I do? -- Nat Segaloff — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nataloff (talk • contribs) 17:56, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Can you show any specific example? Ruslik_Zero 18:22, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Yes, as Ruslik said, can you show the specific articles and where it is specifically sourced in a publication. CTF83! 19:21, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Nataloff. Wikipedia works on Verifiability. If there is a reliable published source, unconnected with you, that shows you as author of works referred to, then Wikipedia could include that information. If there is not, then I'm afraid Wikipedia will not accept that. In general, please look at this for how to proceed when you think there is information that relates to you that you think is not correct. --ColinFine (talk) 20:44, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank you Ruslik, Kristin, and ColinFine. My name is on my work (book, video, article, press release, etc.) and if the person who originally posted about them failed to cite me, it's that person's job to fix it, not mine. This confirms Wikipedia's antipathy toward primary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nataloff (talk • contribs) 22:16, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Nataloff, Wikipedia is created by volunteers, who work on what they want to work on. Generally, if you want something changed, you either need to change it, or to invite or persuade somebody else to change it for you. (When the material relates to you, the latter is strongly preferred). You can say it is somebody else's job to fix it, but that is unlikely to be productive. As for primary sources: they can be used for certain purposes. I would say that the appearance of an author's name on the cover of a book is prima facie a good source for the claim that they wrote the book. --ColinFine (talk) 23:11, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Nataloff, has the publisher credited your contribution? If so, please point us to the omission in one of our articles? Dbfirs 23:56, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Enormous table

The very large table at State-owned enterprise#Summary is causing the page to render as unreadably small text, in Chrome on my Android tablet at least. The table is more than twice as wide as the "normal" page width, the browser automagically zooms out to the full width of the table. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The problem is, which fields do you remove to narrow it? I don't think any can be. CTF83! 19:20, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Does the table need to exist at all? It's incomplete and probably never will be comprehensive anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

I don't have Chrome, but tried Firefox on my desktop and on my Android phone. No problems on the desktop. On my phone, it's just fine if using the mobile version (en.m.wikipedia.org). If I switch to desktop mode on my phone, the table is partially shrunken; the text is smaller, but still large enough to read if put into landscape mode. Of course, one could always zoom in as well. Do any of those options work for you with Chrome? --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

@Dodger67: I really don't think it's needed. I'd say you could be bold and remove it, or post to the talk page if you want. CTF83! 21:35, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Removed per WP:BOLD. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:40, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

About my first article declined

The entitled article Nature and pattern is written by me.I got this article declined because of not having relevant references.So from where I get the relevant references.Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SakilAnsari (talk • contribs) 19:15, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Nature and pattern, does not appear to be an encyclopedic article for Wikipedia. Perhaps you could just expand the Nature article. CTF83! 19:19, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

SakilAnsari, Wikipedia is not a vehicle for original research, or for speculation. No Wikipedia article should ever present either an argument or a conclusion, unless it is summarising an argument or conclusion which appears in one single cited reliable source; and it should certainly not present any kind of novel theory unless it is summarising what a reliable published source says about the theory. Please see WP:NOT and WP:42. --ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Maintenance tag not appearing in article

Hello,

If I try to edit the article Bourbon & Boots, I can see the {{Orphan|date=April 2016}} template has been inserted; however, the "Orphan" tag does not appear outside of editing mode. What could be causing this? –FlyingAce^✈hello 22:29, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

Template:Orphan#Visibility says: "The template message is visible on all pages where the date parameter is set to either the current month or the previous month (currently July 2017 or June 2017)". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:51, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

There you go, learn something new every day. :) Thanks PrimeHunter! –FlyingAce^✈hello 15:00, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Lenticular printing

Question moved out of the middle of the previous question, and header added by ColinFine (talk) 23:13, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

The page on "Lenticular Printing" as a Notes and Reference section that is filled with Spam. However, when I try to edit that section none of the content appears in the editor. Can you help me understand why I'm not seeing it and how I can edit it? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:8519:3800:4DBD:E1A7:55AB:5A0D (talk) 22:48, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

References are normally defined in the text where they are used, and the software gathers them together at the end. The 62 entries in that section of Lenticular printing purport to be sources cited for the article. I think you are right that many of them are simply links to commercial sites and should be removed; but the problem is not the references, but the sections they have been added to, which do not belong in an encyclopaedia article. I believe that quite a lot of the article should bne removed. See WP:referencing for beginners for the direct answer to your question. --ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 3 July 2017 (UTC)

July 4

One Page Protection

Hi,

A user is harassing us on our article and keeps changing the info. by adding information that is not relevant to the topic and more as an advertisement, please help us protect the page from the changes.

I could not understand how the protection is being done on Wikipedia, very complicated and could not find a video to show us how.

Articl Url: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%82%D9%87%D9%88%D8%A9_%D9%85%D8%AE%D8%AA%D8%B5%D8%A9

Topic: Meaning of Specialty coffee in Arabic

Regards,

OneCup.sa (talk) 04:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

OneCup.sa, your page is on Arabic Wikipedia, and you will need to ask there for assistance. Only admins on that Wikipedia will be able to protect the page, so you will have to ask them to investigate Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:27, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi @OneCup.sa: Please post your question here: https://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A3%D8%B3%D8%A6%D9%84%D8%A9 Daylen (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

New page

How do I make a new page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brisurely21 (talk • contribs) 04:31, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Brisurely21, please read this guidance Jimfbleak - talk to me? 05:23, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Categories in redirects

Hello,

I recently added categories to a redirect and became involved in a dispute with another user over whether or not this redirect should have categories. The redirect is Kim De Gelder and it redirects to Dendermonde nursery attack; the target article is about a crime and the redirect is the perpetrator. I see a lot of examples of a criminal redirecting to the article about the crime they're known for, and the redirect has categories. I believe the relevant policy is WP:INCOMPATIBLE. This applies because there are categories that are compatible with the redirect but not the the target article. Take the category "Belgian people convicted of murder", for instance. This applies to the redirect, Kim De Gelder, because he is a Belgian person convicted of murder. But the category is not compatible with the target article, Dendermonde nursery attack, because it is not a Belgian person convicted of murder. All of the categories in the redirect are based on reliably sourced information in the main article and all of them are applicable to the redirect but incompatible with the target article. So can this redirect have categories or would that not be allowed?SMDWiki (talk) 06:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

FWIW I agree with your interpretation of WP:INCOMPATIBLE, the redirect should be categorized. - X201 (talk) 08:03, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Disable images is no longer an option on mobile view

It has disappeared in the past few weeks, we will see it back again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.81.72.25 (talk) 08:02, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

It was removed because relatively few users were using it, and it was causing a lot of additional overhead on the side of developers and infrastructure maintenance. It's not coming back, but some browsers like Firefox for Android have this option available in the browser. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 13:47, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@TheDJ: could you give a link for the it was causing a lot of additional overhead on the side of developers and infrastructure maintenance thing? I would naively think it is simple enough to just redirect all images queries to a blank image placeholder (e.g. something from commons:Category:Image placeholders or a local file within the app install folder). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:59, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Tigraan: You think naively :) At the levels of caching + amount of content that we have, any variation in the HTML is an enormous amount of overhead. The relevant ticket is phab:T109870. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:44, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Editing exisiting pages on Wiki

We have created an archive of some of the greatest people of our time telling their life stories - http://webofstories.com

We are now in the process of transferring these videos to YouTube for posterity and we would like to add links to the Wiki page for each of the individuals concerned - many of whom are Nobel Prize winners. Each of these people have agreed to us recording their life stories - they are the speakers. It seems strange that Wiki would NOT want us to post a link to these videos on the individual's wiki page. They provide a wonderful opportunity to watch the individual talking about their life and work. See for example:

Stan Lee https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVV0r6CmEsFwGC6cWmCxg7KfZhmKzOkRN Doris Lessing https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLVV0r6CmEsFxnVS80V-yoG3_GTTZdvdw7

Can you explain what we need to do to be able to post these links on the External Link section of the individual's wiki page? Thanks for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.201.196.10 (talk) 11:44, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

That is because they are not "the individual's wiki page[s]": they are Wikipedia's articles about the individual, which is a different thing. Our policies on external links are quite restrictive - if they weren't then many articles would get filled up with stuff which might have some vague relationship to the subject, but is not really encyclopaedic. Having said that, these links might be appropriate; but if challenged, it would be up to the person adding them to demonstrate that they were to "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues,[4] amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons" (quoted from the page I linked to above - I don't think any of the other reasons offered there would be relevant). --ColinFine (talk) 13:33, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Categorize templates: Should categorization line be put in template page or its documentation page?

(Edited)

There are two ways to categorize a template, the first one is to put category in the template page, the second is to put category in doc subpage, so by transclusion, the the parent page is categorized. I like the first approach more, because it is more direct, faster to modify. What's the pros and cons of the two approaches? Should there be a guideline to favor either one approach?

Approach 1

template:Some_math_template

...
<noinclude>
{{Documentation}}
[[category:mathematics templates]]
<noinclude>
...

Approach 2

template:Some_math_template/doc

...
<includeonly>
[[category:mathematics templates]]
</includeonly>
...

Golopotw (talk) 15:21, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi @Golopotw: If the template has documentation (such as an infobox or other template with many parameters), include

{{Documentation}}

. If the template does not have documentation (such as navboxes and WikiProject templates), do not include

{{Documentation}}

. If you have any other questions, please leave a message on my talk page. Have a great day! Daylen (talk) 18:08, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Thank for replying @Daylen:, but I think you probably misunderstood the question. I edited to improved my explanation. Golopotw (talk) 18:24, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Link that creates a new section with default title

A link such as https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit&section=new, when clicked, brings the user to the edition box for a new section at a given page. Is it possible to pre-fill the subject/headline field? mw:API:Edit gave me hope that sectiontitle=... would do the trick but it doesn't work (see e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit&section=new&sectiontitle=Foo).

The link can be external or wikilink, and if one can prefill the edit summary it will be better than nothing. (Context here) Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 16:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

@Tigraan: You are looking for preloading. See preload and preloadtitle in mw:Manual:Parameters_to_index.php#Options_affecting_the_edit_form. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:47, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Verifiability issue

Hi, I am here to talk about the page 'Astra (weapon)'. You'll notice the page has been subjected to vandalism several times and been the ground of contention between editors-registered and IPs alike. While a long standing dispute(a seasoned editor was pushing his POV without sources) was graciously resolved by editor Bakilas, another editor(1NepalPatriot) immediately started making edits in the same line without posting any references. This editor may or may not be a sock puppet of the seasoned editor I previously mentioned.

Regardless, it will be immensely helpful if this page is rewritten completely after carefully after examining the neutral tone of the passages and its verifiability from quoted sources. If an overseer is appointed by wikipedia in this regard, a neutral and authentic article can be constructed. Thank you. Beatyadav (talk) 18:06, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Editing a biography

I want to put into light some aspects about Richard Dawkins which are not present in the article: 1) criticism from other atheists 2) his family counts slave-owners as ancestors. How can I proceed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giovanni RL Caputo (talk • contribs) 20:11, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

How his ancestry is relevant to his current beliefs? Ruslik_Zero 20:53, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Preventing bot creation of a page

Some days ago, I deleted ‎Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Dragonlance articles by quality log under G6, since it's a log of pages for a wikiproject that doesn't exist anymore. Unfortunately, I soon had to re-delete it (yes, wrong deletion criterion by mistake), because User:WP 1.0 bot quickly recreated it with identical content (the bot isn't an admin, so it didn't undelete anything; it just reposted it), and to prevent the bot from re-recreating it, I've indefinitely create-protected the page with an explanation and a comment that humans are welcome to request unprotection.

Is there any way to prevent recreation without protection? The page doesn't exist, so {{nobots}} and other exclusion-compliance mechanisms won't work. Neither operator has edited this year (one has made one edit since the beginning of 2015, and the other has made one edit since the beginning of 2016), so I don't see the point of requesting a change in the bot's code. And finally, as it's the bot's job to create nonexistent quality-log pages, it did just what it was told to do, and it's also doing useful tasks for other wikiprojects, so blocking it for this incident would be totally inappropriate. Nyttend (talk) 22:56, 4 July 2017 (UTC)