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Wikipedia Library

I have received a message saying that "Congratulations! You are now eligible for The Wikipedia Library." in my notices, what is this "Wikipedia Library" and this message seems suspicious for some reason, I haven't clicked on anything (like the notice/message has said) so can anyone tell me more about whatever this is, and should I trust it?

Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 05:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello RandomEditorAAA. The Wikipedia Library is a research group for experienced editors. See WP:WIKILIB and this for more information. Thank You! Kpddg ^(talk) 05:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@RandomEditorAAA, I see how it might have the "too good to be true" ring to it, but lucky for us, it's very real and an incredibly useful resource. I encourage you to sign up! (Also, courtesy ping @Samwalton9 (WMF), just for your consideration when deciding on text to use in the notification message.) {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:18, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library "totally not sus, you can deffo trust us"? Nosebagbear (talk)

Be Happy! I am desperately looking forward to this, because it's extremely hard to use newspaper sources behind pay-walls, and it's very frustrating for those of us who are serious-but-new editors that we don't have eligibility to get to this enormous amount of material that ought to be used in citations, without paying through the nose to do so, when we're not paid to do what we do. I don't mind working on Wikipedia for free (it's worth it) but I can't afford to spend cash on it! Elemimele (talk) 09:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele Not all resources are immediately accessible there. I am still waiting for my request for access to Cambridge University Press to be fulfilled. I’m desperate to read one paper that I need access to for my new article about the 19th century high-altitude scientist, Joseph Vallot. I believe there are limited tickets available for Wikipedia, so it’s simply a case of waiting my turn. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Can you not make a request at WP:REX for the paper? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I possibly could, but I've got a long way with my article already, so there's no rush, even though I'm keen to see it. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright sounds good. Just wanted to make sure you knew that was an option. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I've got independent access to the Cambridge Core collection which includes CUP, so I should be able to reach the article you want if you give some details here or (better) on my Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for your response, I will try to sign up today! Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Side question, I am reading the terms and conditions and I have 2 questions.

1. Regarding personal data, it says "we will retain the application data we collect from you for three years after your most recent login" (in the Data Retention and Handling section) and that I will be able to see it through my profile, this information will only be kept between Wikimedia and me right? Or will other people see it?
2. Secondly, it says in the Applying via Your Wikipedia Library Card Account section, that "approved Wikipedia Library Coordinators" will be able to see my information, but later on they are described as "approved volunteer Coordinators", what is this approval process and how am I ensured that someone didn't apply for a coordinator position just to steal personal information, or use it in someway for a personal advantage?

Sorry for asking another question, Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@RandomEditorAAA, I pinged Sam Walton, who manages the Wikipedia Libary, above; when he sees this, he may be able to speak to those questions. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for helping! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Oddly, I received the same message saying I was "now eligible" for the WL recently. Yet I've had an account there for some time! For anyone who is interested, the eligibility criteria are that your account has 500+ edits; 6+ months editing; 10+ edits in the last month and No active blocks. So most if not all serious contributors here will be eligible and I encourage you to sign up at this link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I did as well after reverting vandalism, although I'm fairly sure I'm already signed up for it. Wonder if they just recently enabled that notification or if there was a bug that caused it to get sent out again to all eligible users. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Based on the eligibility criteria stated by Mike Turnbull, I seem to have been eligible for a long time, odd that I have only just received the message, but I am still happy for it! Anyways, I am just waiting for a response from Mr. Walton for my other questions, hopefully this doesn't get archived. Thanks again everyone, RandomEditorAAA (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe it started getting sent out to all editors at 3,000 edits or more. I got my notification immediately upon getting my 3,000th edit. It doesn't check whether you have it or not already. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi RandomEditorAAA :) Nothing nefarious going on here, just free stuff for active editors! In terms of personal data, by default when you login the only people who can see your email address or other information you input are Wikimedia Foundation staff (and even so there are only like 5 of us with access). If you file an application for certain content, then specific volunteer contributors might also be able to see this information. These volunteers are all active community members, have been vetted by us, and have signed Non-Disclosure Agreements to ensure the privacy of your data. And yes, to the broader point about this notification, we've been rolling it out in waves of decreasing edit count, including to users who were already using the library. You can track progress in T288070. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 11:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Sam Walton, thank you for your helpful response, I will now make a Wikipedia Library account. Thank you! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

RandomEditorAAA, Several friends ask me, "Does Wikipedia pay you for your works and contributions that you make?" I just say, "I've got instant access of over 30 libraries including the Cambridge, JSTOR, and the Edinburgh; and this is very much for a student like me." Enjoy with all of those resources, improve the encyclopedia and gain more and more knowledge. TWL is something I'm proud of, among several other things on this platform. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia article name

Hello, I apologize for asking another question here (as some may have seen my previous question regarding the Wikipedia Library), however I may soon start a draft on the British composer and pianist Oliver King, full name Oliver Arthur King, but there is an article with the same name (and is totally unrelated, and note King Oliver is also a different person), so should I name the article as "Oliver King (composer)" or as Oliver Arthur King, both names seem popular, IMSLP gives his works as Oliver King, but also does mention the "Arthur" middle name, however some biographical dictionaries/books refer him as his complete name Oliver Arthur King or Oliver A. King.

Based on journals by The Musical Times, the name Oliver King might be more popular, but besides common name, what other factors are used to decide the name of Wikipedia articles, and what should the name be for this one?

Thank you, the person seems to have been popular in his day, suddenly forgotten over the century - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 04:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, RandomEditorAAA, and welcome to the Teahouse. (And please don't apologise for asking questions! That's what this page is for). The policy and all its ramifications are laid out in WP:TITLE. In short, either Oliver Arthur King or Oliver King (composer) might be appropriate. But my advice is not to worry about this. Unless you are confident that your very first attempt will be a strong enough article to survive in mainspace, you should work by creating a draft anyway (see WP:AFC): just call it Draft:Oliver King. When your draft is accepted, the reviewer who accepts it will sort out any naming or disambiguation issues. --ColinFine (talk) 12:24, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

If you have strong views on the "correct" article title, based on WP:Common, for example, you can make your suggestion on the Talk Page of your draft, which the reviewer will notice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:39, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will start the draft article soon, I may move the article outside the draftspace to the mainspace when I am done (This would be my 3rd article, after Hisatada Otaka, and Hanns Wolf, the Otaka article taking 3 months to be reviewed, and I don't want to wait that long again), since both names seem fine, I will choose based on my personal judgement under WP:TITLE. However, if I do plan on waiting for the review, then I will just tell he/she about the possible names. Thank you once again! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Since this is still here, I would like to notify that the article (Draft:Oliver King) has been submitted for review. I have one question, related to copyright, I want to upload an image of the cover page of either King's Night symphony or King's Overture Among the Pines, from IMSLP the date of publication for the symphony is 1884 (while Google says 1889, either way both are probably in the Public domain for both USA and United Kingdom), and the Concert Overture is from 1883 based again from IMSLP but also from my own research of the piece (whether this exact copy/version is from 1883 is up for question, but regardless it would probably be in public domain). However my question is that, does the digitization date matter for copyright, if so then both of these images were uploaded to IMSLP in 2016, (although the symphony was digitized by Google Books in 2007), so while the artwork itself is in public domain can I still use the cover images from IMSLP? Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 19:33, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, my question was stupid, I will try to upload the 2 cover images. Sorry for bothering. Thank you once again! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 22:30, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Can we make plot synopses from primary sources alone?

So if I understand the rule correctly, we're not allowed to summarise a primary source because this is synthesis or original research. But what about for a wiki article on a book? Are we not allowed to summarise the plot if we can't find it summarised in a secondary source? This argument has been made in an AfD discussion (imo mainly because the editors don't like the contents of the book). You'll notice that the entire "plot" section of this (1) page is also unreferenced, but I don't see anyone arguing we should remove the section, because no one has an agenda against the page. Can anyone clarify? Ficaia (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Ficaia (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia Yup, that is generally fine, see MOS:PLOTSOURCE. Like with everything else around here, sometimes discussion is needed. Wether the work meets the demands of WP:GNG etc is another matter. See also MOS:PLOTLENGTH. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Be very careful to only summarize the plot, and not make any commentary on it or make extrapolations from it. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

IAbot

Hey I was running the IA bot to add archive to references and after 99 seconds it stopped and said I was blocked from editing,but obviously I havent been blocked so what does that mean? ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:23, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I ran it again to see if it was just a glitch and after 4 seconds it said the same thing. It even says on account details blocked: no ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 You're not blocked, I'm encountering the issues as well. Apparently, it's an error issued by MW API (not exactly sure which) but I asked Cyberpower678 previously, for your reference, just wait a few hours and it will work again. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 And also here where it stated it's a bug. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Gotcha, glad Im not the only one. I almost had a heart attack when it said I was blocked lol. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 03:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No problems, glad to help. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 03:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 Sorry to interrupt, but what on Earth is the IA bot? Bots run automatically, but you are saying that you were running the bot. How is that possible? Are you the owner? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 04:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible IABot is InternetArchiveBot. You can use the bot yourself, see here, the edit will be made under your username. To use it under the InternetArchiveBot username, you have to queue the task by using this link and typing which article you want to archive in bulk, after a few minutes, the bot will start running. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Paper9oll Ok, got it thanks. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Citation bot is another bot you can run yourself. GoingBatty (talk) 05:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thanks for the additional information. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: yeah it is really helpful to add archives to references instead of having to do it manually. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18 Got it. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 12:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

EXPEDITING SEARCH ENGINE INDEXING OF WIKI ARTICLES

Good evening, Teahouse Team -

Do any of you have any methods / best practices that you can endorse for expediting the Search Engine indexing of new Wikipedia articles?

Thank you in advance for sharing your insights and expertise. Wikibaker (talk) 04:11, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibaker: Welcome to the Teahouse! New articles are released for indexing by search engines after being reviewed by the Wikipedia:New pages patrol or after 90 days, whichever comes first. There is no expediting process for this, so please be patient while Wikipedia volunteers go through their backlog of 7,000+ pages. After that, Wikipedia cannot control how quickly search engines actually indexes them. GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for the über-quick response, @GoingBatty ! Best to you. Wikibaker (talk) 04:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Wikibaker. I believe you're referring to Ania Malinowska. As a new page patroller, however, I can't in good faith approve the article for indexing, as it lacks so much as even a single non-primary source. Moreover, it appears you've uploaded two professional headshots to Wikimedia Commons as well as an image of Malinowska giving a lecture without explaining how any of these fall under a CC-BY-SA 4.0 license. If you are financially affiliated with Malinowska (or Phil Hendrie, whose headshot you also uploaded), you must disclose it on your user page. Furthermore, if you do have some relationship with the subject(s) but it's not financial, a disclosure is still expected. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 04:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, TheTechnician27 - I appreciate your insights a great deal. You are correct in that my question was referring to Ms. Malinowska, but my question also relates to a new article that I am about to craft for the musical artist, Suzanne Santo. I do not have a financial affiliation with Ms. Malinowska or Mr. Hendrie. My only relationship with them (and Ms. Santo) is as being a fan of their work. I have purchased two of Ms. Malinowska's books and then subsequently realized she had not yet had a Wikipedia article. In the case of Mr. Hendrie, I am a subscriber of his website and recognized that his legacy Wikipedia article contained inaccuracies. In addition, his article had a warning at the top indicating "This article may require cleanup to meet Wikipedia's quality standards. The specific problem is: Appears written by his PR. Needs links to Wikipedia articles, remove press release tone.", which I directly addressed with each of my edits. You are also correct that I uploaded headshots of both Mr. Hendrie and Ms. Malinowska (and will be doing so for Ms. Santo's page), but to be honest I'm not at all confident that in doing so I followed the correct procedure. If I did not or if I misappropriated the related license for them, please let me know and I'll be happy to make those adjustments. Lastly I have to confess that I don't understand the point that you made about Ms. Malinowska's article lacking "even a single non-primary source". I attempted to cite all of the appropriate references and have added instances of three Wikipedia articles that now point back to Ms. Malinowska's article ( 1) Notable Professors from The University of Silesia, 2) Notable Alumni of the Fulbright Program, and 3) Notable people in Wolin (town)), but if there is something more that you're suggesting, I would love to learn of it. Thank you again, TheTechnician27. Although I have been a fan and supporter of Wikipedia for many years, I only began volunteering as an Editor within the past few weeks and sincerely appreciate your guidance. Wikibaker (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wikibaker: Please see WP:PRIMARY. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

User:খাঁটি বাঙালি

Now something really has to be done regarding this. This user is constantly moving undeveloped pages to mainspace, I don't know why. He even won't listen to anyone, and he is still doing the same things again. All these things can be found on his talk page. What can be done about this? Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Some of his undeveloped pages are 2022 Córdoba Open – Singles, 2022 Open Sud de France – Singles Itcouldbepossible^Talk 05:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Do you have any idea for his problem? SarojLeduap (talk) 11:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@SarojLeduap I'm not sure why you asked me, specifically. But it seems @Itcouldbepossible feels a number of recently drafted tennis-related articles do not deserve to be in mainspace yet. They've left numerous messages for at least on other editor, and appear to have incorrectly CSD-ed some of them - that is not the way to go. AfD would be more appropriate, assuming they'd done WP:BEFORE and feel deletion is genuinely appropriate. This could be a learning curve for @User:খাঁটি বাঙালি and for ICBP. As I don't know anything about tennis articles, they might simply be WP:TOOSOON, or they could be fine. There has certainly been a lot of detailed work gone in to create them, and both editors appear to be acting in Good Faith, even if they take different views on their approach to sports articles. These pages are certainly extraordinarily detailed, and might not fit in with sports article styles - I am really not sure. My advice would be first to discuss the approach to such articles at WP:WikiProject Tennis and seek input from other editors. The 'nuclear option' is to provide evidence (WP:DIFFS) at WP:ANI and see what the community feel about the actions of an editor, but both sides then get all their editing behaviour and interactions scrutinised, and that is rarely the most pleasant experience for anyone. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:34, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Well, the problem with the creator of the article is that, they move out articles in mainspace even before the article has been fully developed. There are big tables with just no data. When I asked the editor about why they are doing so, they said that those tables doesn't yet have data to be filled in. But my question is, then why does tables at all exist? He can add it when the data is available. By going the other way, the article really seams blank since the big tables doesn't have data. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 13:01, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Permission to use the template

Hello, sorry tor the second question. Sorry for the second question, but I’m a beginner (in English)…. I’m wondering if the templates in Category:Humorous user templates are the ones I can use without asking for permission. I’m sorry for the inconvenience, but I’d appreciate your help. Qbwr8296 (talk) 05:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Qbwr8296: At the Teahouse, you don't have to apologize for asking questions or being a beginner - we were all beginners here at some point. Yes, you may use one of those templates on your user page, as you've already done. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I am new from Nepal. I want help to begin.

I have been working on writing articles/blog posts for a long time. And I am very much interested in publishing my articles related to various fields, but I don't know how do I start? Kindly, Is there anyone who can help me? SarojLeduap (talk) 09:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@SarojLeduap Welcome to the Teahouse. It's great that you want to contribute to this encyclopaedia of Notable Things. Your post slightly worried me because Wikipedia is 100% NOT a place for people to publish their articles. Your own research, your blog posts and your own opinions or WP:PROMOTION must stay well away from this encyclopaedia's neutral tone of voice. Equally, you may not copy/paste content from any other website and upload it as if those words were your own (which I see you have already done with your first draft article). That is a legal copyright violation. If you can do these things, and simply improve existing article which have already met the critical criterion of meeting 'Notability' that would be the best way for you to start. You can get some ideas on things to improve by clicking on the 'Homepage' tab by your Userpage in desktop view. Maybe try doing The Wikipedia Adventure and reading through the various help pages at WP:INTRODUCTION to get a better feeling of things. I'm afraid Draft:Saroj Paudel is not appropriate for Wikipedia, so please start slowly by learning to do much easier tasks than creating a brand new article from scratch. One good suggestion might be to look at those articles relating to your own personal interests, or your own country, and find the shortests articles that have been identified as of the greatest importance. You could then use your research skills to find Reliable Sources which you would then use to add content to that article, basing it purely upon a reference to that source which you can easily learn how to insert. Try this list from WP:WikiProject Nepal to give you some ideas. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thankyou very much sir for your kindness and support towards me for making better contents on wikipedia. I really appreciate your suggestions. This was not my own article based on my raw thoughts, I was trying to highlight a group without giving the senses of advertising with my full effort. I didn't do any copy paste and the references of the article was completely the website of that particular group, and I tried to write them on my own words too. Please could you help me in someother way. Like could I get a chance to contact you personally, or Can I get some useful resources to make it more better? SarojLeduap (talk) 11:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@SarojLeduap Thank you for your reply. I'm not sure I can help you specifically to find resources for a particular article. All people who want to contribute here do need to be willing to invest time and effort themselves to find and collate independent sources, and then to read and understand how they should edit Wikipedia. We can't help you with the first part, nor indeed in doing the reading. But, the Teahouse can help you if still you don't understand how to do something. For a newcomer to create an article from scratch is a very hard task (see this guidance page). Learning to edit Wikipedia (as all of have had to do at one point!) is a bit like driving a car for the very first time. Look and see how others drive on your roads. Then start off slowly. Don't rush to your destination, or you are bound to get into big difficulties along the way. Take it slowly and carefully, listen to other car drivers on the road and obey the road signs, and you will have a pleasant journey and arrive safely. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick MoyesThankyou brother. You are really motivating. I don't know why I am trying something to do faster. SarojLeduap (talk) 11:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, SarojLeduap, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that and the references of the article was completely the website of that particular group is part of the problem: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. You can reference their own publications for very limited purposes (see Primary sources), but the bulk of any article, and its citations, must come from sources wholly unconnected with the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 11:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thankyou @ColinFine I got some of my doubts cleared from you. Appreciated. SarojLeduap (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Create/list redirect pages

I would like to know how I can create a new redirect page ? (I want to redirect "Kasheesho" (priests of the Syriac Orthodox Church) to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syriac_Orthodox_Church#Priests ) I would also like to know about the way we can get a listing of all pages that redirect to a specific page. PeterBehnam (talk) 09:29, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

See Help:Redirect#Creating and editing redirects.

To get the listing to which you refer, use the "What links here" option from the left-hand toolbar, then hide the transclusions and the links, and it will leave just the redirects. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:50, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I created it at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kasheesho&redirect=no . --PeterBehnam (talk) 10:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Great job! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:12, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Q

Hello. I have two questions. Is it ok to add more than two categories to an RFC, after the bot posted an ID? And does this rfc belong on the categories WikiProjects and collaborations and Wikipedia style and naming? Cornerstonepicker (talk) 10:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a bookmark like system?

I understand that we have the watchlist system, but I'm not looking to receive a notification every time an article I like gets favorited. I do use chrome's bookmarks but after a while those pages get messy and there's no easy way to distinguish read pages from unread ones (a small box for the reading list doesn't really do much). I was just wondering, do they have something like that? And if not, do you think they ever will? TophatGuy14 (talk) 13:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TophatGuy14, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is a "reading list" facility on mobile apps, but not on the web-based version, and I don't believe there are any plans to add it. One thing you can do, if you wish, is to edit your user page (or a user subpage) to add Wikilinks to the articles you want to bookmark. --ColinFine (talk) 14:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be sure to use my page for that. Honestly at first I thought the user page was only meant to serve as a short description of your Wikipedia self and was limited strictly to that, I'm glad it isn't. TophatGuy14 (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @TophatGuy14, if you don't want your reading list to be highly visible to anyone who clicks on your name, you can create a new page like User:TophatGuy14/Reading List (or whatever you'd like to call it. That's the subpage approach that Colin mentioned. It'll still be publicly accessible, but partitioned off. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 12:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

How can I make a disambiguate page?

I'm looking to create a disambiguate page linking these 3 pages: (1), (2), (3). Is there a different process or can I just create a new article as I would normally? Ficaia (talk) 14:47, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: Hello Ficaia! You don't just create a disambiguation page without any discussion. That's because you would have to determine what the primary topic (if any) would be and if one would be necessary. Since there are only 3 pages you can simply just use hatnotes to prevent confusion. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I notice there is a Umfraville page, so maybe I can add some info there. Thanks for your help Ficaia (talk) 15:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia: No problem! For examples of how it would work with templates you can see Minecraft (it does include a disambig page but it doesn't have to) ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:04, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

How to properly explain why I edited a source as 'irrelevant'

I've recently edited an article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum, marking source number [6], as irrelevant, given that upon consulting the source at the designated page I could find nothing about the mentioned sentence (more specifically, there is no mention of the sitting positions 'left/right' on the designated source's page 112). The change was justly reverted with a note that I had not properly explained the reason for the 'irrelevant' tag; how would I go about properly giving an explanation other editors might be able to read? Shine Couture (talk) 15:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Shine Couture If you find a cited source does not support the statement it appear intended so to do, you can add to it (see {{Template:failed verification}}) and raise the issue on the article talk page. If you delete it and someone returns it (and it wasn't being used to support some other nearby statement) you can remove it a second time (with a clear edit summary) as to why and a in its place, whilst again ensuring you raise your concerns on the article's talk page. Don't remove it a third time or you'll start getting in to an edit war, which just disrupts an article. Often, it's simply best to leave things where they were so people can see the problem links and simply discuss it by raising your concerns on the talk page. Does that make sense? Nick Moyes (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes it does, thank you! Shine Couture (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Citing two sources in one footnote

I want to cite two different newspaper articles in one footnote. After I enter the info for the first article, is there a way I can submit info about the second source before the footnote is created?Pdramshaw (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC) Pdramshaw (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pdramshaw: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can include two {{cite news}} templates in the same footnote, like this:

Here is my sentence that needs two articles in the same footnote.

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

References

But one needs to go into Edit mode here to see how you did that. Let's see if it will work with a "nowiki."

Here is my sentence that needs two articles in the same footnote.<ref>

* {{cite news |title=Title1 |newspaper=Newspaper1}}
* {{cite news |title=Title2 |newspaper=Newspaper2}}</ref> So I need to learn how to add footnotes with coding ({{...}}}) as opposed to visual editing? I've been doing visual editing, and when I add a footnote I get a template for adding one news cite, but now way I can see to add another news cite before creating the footnote.Pdramshaw (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pdramshaw: I don't know if you can achieve this with the VisualEditor, but you could ask at Help talk:VisualEditor if you don't get the answer here. You could surely create two consecutive footnotes with VisualEditor. GoingBatty (talk) 22:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Pdramshaw. I tried a quick test with VE. If I go Cite – Manual – Basic – Insert – Template then I can add multiple Cite web, Cite book, etc. within one ref. But I have to fill out all of the citation fields by hand. :( To use the Citoid auto-lookup, you would need to switch to Source mode for least some steps. Hope that helps! ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Can I request an edit here?

Hello, I have been a user of Wikipedia for quite some time. I've been using it since 2019 and have had a blast, not just receiving information, but also collaborating. The thing is, I want to put in an image for a extended-confirmed protected page, and I cannot edit it, so I'm suggesting an edit. I'd like to have the page for Benny Gantz edited, by adding his signature. The image is below my message.

Thanks. Sincerely,

               𝐻𝒾𝓈𝓉𝑜𝓇𝒾𝒸𝒶𝓁 𝒰𝓈𝑒𝓇 Historical User (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Historical User: Welcome to the Teahouse. We don't take edit requests here; what you want to do is go to Talk:Benny Gantz and leave an edit request over there; please read the previous link very carefully. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:43, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Historical User — You can request the edit at Talk:Benny Gantz, where an extended-confirmed user (such as myself) will make the edit for you. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Historical User, and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you Benny Gantz? If you are, you should declare that in making a request for editing that article; if you are not, I don't see how you can claim that File:Bennygantzsignature.png is your "own work", and you would appear to be violating his copyright by purporting to license it under CC-BY-SA. --ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Further, there has been discussion on whether or not it is appropriate to include signatures of living people in Wikipedia articles. WP:Signatures of living persons. says Editors should provide clear justification of importance for the use of the signature of any living person where such signature is not already available in widely published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Adding a reference sending to the talk page

I'd like to add a link sending to the talk page on a dead link tag (talk page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:June_1932&oldid=1069104286, dead source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_1932#cite_note-musicandhistory-32), to specify that the link works, but it sends the user to an archived page containing a chronology, whose validating bibliography rests in another page whose link is deprecated. Is there a way to add a link sending to the relevant talk page topic on a dead link tag?  Shine Couture (talk) 17:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Shine Couture: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looks you you successfully posted your request at Talk:June 1932 a few minutes before posting here. Note that Wikipedia editors are all volunteers, and it may take several days before anyone responds. Thanks for your efforts to improve Wikipedia! GoingBatty (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you for the answer; I should clear up that I had the intention of finding a better source at some point in the future, but that I posted here in the mean time in hopes of finding a way to have the dead link tag redirect to the talk page (if that's something that can be done). Cheers and thanks for the welcome. Shine Couture (talk) 23:02, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

How to handle repurposed links?

How should repurposed links be handled? I couldn't find what I was looking for at {{dead link}} or the "See also" links on that page. Two cases I've come across are:

• the site has been completely repurposed or taken over by another owner
• the site still serves the same audience, but the link redirects to a home page and the internal search utility doesn't find a match for the original  _signed, Willondon (talk) 18:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Willondon Welcome to the Teahouse. It's important not to simply remove a non-functioning link that once supported a citation, but there are ways to deal with it. Hopefully, you may find what you need on this page WP:Link rot. If I was unsure how to proceed, I would post the link in the article talk page to highlight your concerns about it so that another editor can address it if they're minded so to do. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

The Black Walrus Movie (2022)

The Black Walrus Movie is a TV Internet other device movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacetolbert (talk • contribs) 18:17, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

I will be making a new movie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallacetolbert (talk • contribs) 18:19, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Wallacetolbert This is a help forum for those wanting advice on how to edit Wikipedia. Your statement does not seem relevant here - nor or indeed anywhere on Wikipedia. Good luck making your film. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Maharashtra Open

Maharashtra Open have its Official name as TATA Open Maharashtra as per ATP website, can you change it. How to write in infobox about its ongoing current 2022 edition ? Success think (talk) 18:51, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think Hi again. I should probably explain that the Teahouse rarely fixes things or makes articles itself. What we do do is offer advice on how editors can fix things for themselves. In this instance, the place to post your ideas and suggestions is on the 'Talk page' of the relevant article. In this case it would be Talk:Maharashtra Open. You would need to provide a rationale and evidence in the form of Reliable links to sources which demonstrate the need for a page name change. If you don't get any 'takers' to the proposal - and I see an identical 2018 suggestion got no response - then you can draw attention to the page by making a formal 'edit request'. See WP:EDITREQUEST for how to go about that, or consider or posting your proposal at the relevant WikiProject, which you can find through the article's talk page. I hope this helps. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Blue shaded text

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H%C3%B6ss I wish to add facts to this Wikipedia page. The first two paragraphs can be edited. When I scroll to the third paragraph, the text becomes blue-shaded. Left click creates a box entitled Template Content. I cannot edit the page after the first two paragraphs. Can you help? Johnnyyank1863 (talk) 19:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Johnnyyank1863 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. What a weird experience for you to encounter! I have fixed it for you, and the sections you want to edit and to add citations to are now accessible.

In case you're interested, here's the explanation: You were obviously using Visual Editor, which many new users do. Unfortunately the incorrect placement of a family tree template {{Template:Tree list}} obstructed your access to ordinary text that lay below it, and which you wanted to edit. That template works as a pair - one to turn the family tree on, and another at the end to turn the family tree off. I have moved the opening template to the right place in 'Family' section. That problem wouldn't have been noticeable to many users like myself who much prefer to use WP:Source editor for the majority of tasks here. It's a tool that uses really simple 'markup' for things like links, bold, italic, headers and so forth. It's a much more powerful editor than VE, but is not WISYWYG. Should you ever encounter a similar issue again (which is extremely rare in my experience) simply switch to Source Editor to trace the problem. In desktop view, just click the dark slanting pencil icon on the right side of the editing toolbar to switch between editing modes. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Why there is no portals about Indian states ?

California, New York State have their WP: portals but why not India's states likeMaharashtra don't have one, I suggest WP to create it for India's states and places such as Mumbai, Pune, Nashik. Success think (talk) 19:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

That's because nobody's yet thought to make one. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano Not so - see below. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think Welcome to the Teahouse. Oh dear, you've stumbled across one of Wikipedia's more shameful stories, and one that began perhaps five or so years ago. Let me tell you the tale...

...There are editors here who like to create and add content, but there are other editors who have strong views about deleting content that they feel is not needed. It's always a balance between keeping good content and removing the chaff. But there were two strong-willed administrators involved in this story - one in each camp. Plus a third editor who found a way to automate Portal creation to the point where many very trivial and needless Portals were made. One of those administrators (and a load of other editors too) felt that there were far too many Portals, and set out on a prolonged campaign to delete large numbers of them. The war of proposed Portal deletions raged on for at least a couple of years, and got quite intense. Indeed, dear listener, one administrator leading the charge for deletion became so engaged and enraged with the other that eventually a high level complaint was made about their conduct, and we all had a community discussion, and a decision to remove the administrator rights from that adminstrator was made, and were banished from the Kingdom barred from editing on any Portal-related content ever again. But the damage had been done - so many portals - some really good ones (and they're all simply just an alternative way to present information to users) - were deleted. Sadly, Portal:Maharashtra was one such.

Now, nothing is deleted here forever -it can always be restored or created again from scratch if there is deemed to be a good reason for doing so. So it would probably require a good case and commitment from a few dedicated editors (not just brand new ones who fancied seeing it again) to get any given deleted Portal reinstated, and that would probably be so with Portal:Maharashtra. I suspect there is guidance at WP:PORTALS on that process, but it is not one I would want anyone to rush into lightly just for the sake of creating or recreating one.

It is true that Portals are a 'shop window' into a topic that were not so publicly visible and not visited as much as individual articles - but that was their value. They simply offered an alternative way for any visitor to discover things related to a big topic. I for one regret the loss of many of them.

Caveat: this description is my personal overview of the situation, and may not fully reflect the hundreds of thousands of words that were written before this appalling ongoing internecine war was resolved. Luckily this is only Wikipedia, so no lives were lost. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:14, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes:, Thanks for giving overview of this case, I don't know that. But I suggest to make some Portals about India, currently I think there is only one portal for Ind, but there is lots of topic need portals such as Indian history, Indian cricket, Maharashtra, Goa etc.Success think (talk) 20:24, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Might you become involved at Portal:India and its talk page Portal talk:India, and take things from there? Feline Hymnic (talk) 20:38, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Success think I wouldn't have expected you to have known that - perhaps other hosts here don't either. But I might agree with you about the possible need or value in recreating a Portal, but here is not the place to make a case for that. Are you aware of 'WikiProjects' which are where groups of editors with shared interests in a broad subject can collaborate to improve articles? Luckily, nobody turned their attention to deleting these (not yet, anyway!), and many WikiProjects had Portals associated with them in the early days, and as those WikiProjects declined in activity, so their Portals were left exposed to attack. Wikipedia:WikiProject Maharashtra is perhaps the place where such discussions might be held in order to ascertain both need and to find committed, involved editors before submitting a rationale for recreation. Further advice at Wikipedia:Portal/Guidelines. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Can't edit semi-protected page on Hebrew Wikipedia, even though I meet the requirements

Hi there. I'm trying to edit Mikmak on the Hebrew Wikipedia, and the article is semi-protected. It's just a minor edit.

But for some reason it says my account needs to be at least 30 days old, and for me to have 100 edits ACROSS Wikipedia.

My account is 12 months old and has 355 edits ACROSS Wikipedia Quick Quokka ^[talk] 21:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: You will need to ask at the Hebrew Wikipedia, they will be able to explain what the requirement is and why you are not able to edit that article. Each Wikipedia has its own process and rules for editing. RudolfRed (talk) 21:36, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Trying to link an article with a right-to-left title makes it invisible

I asked a question here in the teahouse earlier, and I linked to an article in Hebrew. It didn't show up.

I typed [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]], and it shows up as "" Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have now edited the above to remove the erroneous page language link that I described below. --ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Try typing your link with a leading colon like this: [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] and it will appear like this: Mikmak. GoingBatty (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No offense, but that looks exactly like what I said.

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there's a typo in GoingBatty's message. Where he said [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]], I'm sure he intended to say [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]]. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka and David Biddulph: Facepalm Oops! I wrote that you needed a "leading colon", but forgot to put it in my example! Fixed above - sorry! GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuickQuokka, and welcome to the Teahouse. That form of link is special, and links the page as a whole to the Hebrew page, so if you look at the list of languages in the side bar, there is currently a Hebrew link pointing to he:מיקמק instead of to an equivalent of the Teahouse (apparently there isn't an equivalent so normally there is no Hebrew link there). To get the effect you want, you must precede the link with a colon (':') which stops the parser treating it specially. So [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] displays as Mikmak. Isuggest you go back and edit your previous posting (I would do it, but I want to leave it here for the moment for you to see the result). --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much!!!

I'll remember for next time!

Do I also need to do it for other sister projects? (e.g. [[:wiktionary:apple|apple]])

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: From what I've seen only for other language wikis, although I could be wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Help to update my page

I need to update my page with my new job and tribal affiliations. And I need to replace the main the photo with one I own.

I dont know anyone who can do this for me.

Advice? Metiria (talk) 22:26, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Metiria Hello and welcome. You asked a similar question in 2019, this is the answer you were given, which still applies. I would correct you in that it is not "your page", but a Wikipedia article about you. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

HELP with removing a neutrality notice on a page

I'm reasking this question because I'm now logged in to my page and can keep trace of the answer. Can you help me figure out what exactly must be removed on a page I'm trying to edit so that the neutrality notice can be removed? I'm editing the page for Hollywood producer "Michael Rotenberg", so I'm not sure what information on the page is in question because everything seems to be fact. The URL for the page is below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Rotenberg

Thanks! Ngo3arts (talk) 22:55, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ngo3arts: Just delete the template. In the visual editor you need to click on the template and click on the backspace or delete key; In the source editor, just remove the line with the {{POV Check}} template. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 23:05, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No, QuickQuokka. The question was about "what exactly must be removed". Puffery and unreferenced assertions, that's exactly what. -- Hoary (talk) 00:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

NGo3arts, I'd suggest reading WP:COI and WP:PAID. Additionally, the article is without sources to support the "facts" and likely to be moved to draft, reduced to a stub or deleted without improvement.Slywriter (talk) 23:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. I have rescued the (one!) source, which is a listing in Variety, and so neither significant coverage of the subject nor, probably independent of him. I have restored the neutrality tag, and added several more, in addition to the one that Slywriter added. NGo3arts, As a producer and manager, he plays an integral role in the development and production of television and film properties, as well as shepherds the careers of many top actors, writers, and directors. is just one example of peacock language, and decidedly non-neutral. Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 00:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

ColinFine, I've cleaned up some issues but others remain. I'm not too good with a scalpel and subject meets Notablity, so hopefully gnomes pay a visit to fix further. Also, I've informed OP of paid policy as article has at least 2 undisclosed paid editorsSlywriter (talk) 00:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I have moved this to Draft:Michael Rotenberg, as predicted above. Ngo3arts should provide a reliable (and of course disinterested) reference for each of the draft's many assertions before any attempt to move it back to article space. -- Hoary (talk) 00:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How does an administrator protect a page?

I wonder how 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:C49D:CC12:7D8B:33EC (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

One of the options under "Edit" (together with "Edit this page", etc) is (for administrators) "Change protection". The administrator clicks this, and proceeds from there. -- Hoary (talk) 00:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@IP editor -Welcome back to the Teahouse again (on the /64 range). Just in case you meant to ask how you can get an admin to protect a page which is being disruptively edited by multiple users, there's details at WP:RFPP which might help.

Looking at all your contributions I recommend you sing up for a free Wikipedia account with a username of your choice. That way all your questions and answers will be in one place, and we'll be able to know if this is a follow-up question from a previous discussion. Obviously, that might not be possible if you're on a work PC or shared device - but it'll make things much simpler if you can, and it'd hide the fact that your IP is based out of El Monte, California. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

You can pretty much see for yourself here: Special:ProtectPage/Wikipedia:Teahouse. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 01:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Didn't know the main Teahouse itself was protected. The vandalism must've gotten pretty bad to have to protect it. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 01:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Update a headshot?

How can I update the very old photo on my own wikipedia page (Harley Jane Kozak)? Beastinc22 (talk) 00:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Beastinc22 Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. Providing you took the picture yourself (self-timer or selfie), you may simply upload a photo to Wikimedia Commons under an appropriate 'Creative Commons' licence. Ideally, you would ensure you include a category title, so that it is automatically added to c:Category:Harley Jane Kozak. It needs to be the copyright owner who releases the picture. So if a friend took the picture, as the image rights owner, it should be them who uploads it from their Wikipedia account as. legally, only they can authorise the release of an image they own the copyright to. The link to upload images is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

I realise not everyone want to get all nerdy doing stuff like that, so we have an alternative route for you. Go to https://relgen.toolforge.org/ where you'll find a simple, step-by-step tool you fill in which creates the text of a release email you then automatically send to our Volunteer Team from an official email account they can verify is yours. You have the option of attaching the image directly. Having done that, they will check and upload the file for you. We can then add it to the article to replace the 2005 one that's already there.

All this fuss is aimed at protecting people's rights over their own images, not to make a nuisance of ourselves for the sake of it! I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Beastinc22 Be aware that if you do this, you give up all rights to use of the photo for any purposes, including commercial. David notMD (talk) 02:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that's misleading, David notMD. Beastinc22, David means that you will be unable to stop other people from using the image (including changing it), not that you can't use it yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. "...would surrender all rights to control use by other people..." would have been better. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Forgive me for daring to reformat another editor's reply, but I have struck what you wrote as I am worried the OP might read that far and not any further. I think it's important that any misleading response, even if clearly an accidental one, is not left overly-visible. I'm sure you understand. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sally Struthers is in Yellowstone. It was not mentioned.

 208.95.162.79 (talk) 00:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you can cite a Reliable Source that shows Sally Struthers now lives in Yellowstone, you can post it on the talk page of that article. If it is deemed relevant, I'm sure another editor will be glad to incorporate the information into the page. Or you can do so yourself - but it requires published evidence, not just your personal knowledge or say-so. If something can't be verified, it shouldn't be included - that's the rule to work to. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

My guess is that this is Yellowstone (American TV series) rather than a place, Nick Moyes, but I may be wrong. I'm also guessing you didn't mean to begin your reply with a profanity! --ColinFine (talk) 01:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ah, interesting confusion on my part, ColinFine, though my general answer to cite a source still applies. And no, I only use profanities off-wiki, as you might well have noticed with my increasing frustration and deep anger about what is happening in our country right now. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Question re. a return to editing

Hi! I'd asked this question once before at the help desk, but now I have the information I need to change an article. To recap, I left the project a few years ago as an administrator in good stead. Unfortunately, I was stalked by vandals across multiple sites and finally had to enlist the aid of law enforcement and the Wikimedia Foundation. Here's my present issue. I work for a company which just purchased two local radio stations and while the main article on the flagship station has been updated, the information is incorrect. I've been asked to update the information and I can cite references such as print articles. I'm more than happy to create an account, but I don't wish to be suspected of spamming the site with ads. Believe me, I know the ropes and the last thing I'd want to do is to have any work reverted and/or have a new account blocked. If I were to establish an account, I will gladly link to it here at the Teahouse to prevent any misunderstandings. Thanks and I'm looking forward to contributing once again...but no more vandal hunting! 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7852:6140:57F8:572E (talk) 02:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! Just to make it easier until you create an account, what was your previous username? I'd simply prefer to you as something other than IP. Also, I don't think you should get blamed for advertising as long as you provide reliable sources. Also, are you possibly being WP:PAID or do you just have a WP:COI? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, if they're an employee and they've been asked by a superior to make updates, that is definitely WP:PAID. IP, you'll have to make a paid editing disclosure. To avoid the appearance of 'spamming the site with adds' just make suggestions on the associated talk page, see the instructions at {{requestedit}} - MrOllie (talk) 02:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I should have introduced myself. I started as "Lucky 6.9" and eventually started a second and final account as "PMDrive1061." I blocked access to both before I was "de-sysopped" so that I wouldn't be tempted to return. I mentioned to the owner of the station that paid editing is a no-no, that I would make the changes on my own and eventually transition back to regular editing. If, however, you'd be more comfortable if I were to state I were paid, I have no problem with that. I simply didn't want to run afoul of the COI issue and cause any misunderstandings. I'll definitely leave word on the article talk page. The article itself is KWXY. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7852:6140:57F8:572E (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

A WP:EDITREQ posted to the article talk page would avoid potential issues. Also include a WP:PAID declaration of course. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Roger. I'll do that. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:94AC:4E9A:7C02:8B4A (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Edit Bibliography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_H%C3%B6ss?action=edit I edited the above Wikipedia page and included references to a previously uncited book. The cited references appear in the text and in the Reference Notes, but the book does not appear in the Bibliography. Can you help? Johnnyyank1863 (talk) 04:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Johnnyyank1863 — The bibliography is not a transclusionable template, so you’ll have to manually add the book yourself into the bibliography. Hopefully this helps. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 04:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Disney+ Hotstar Launch in the Philppines

I regret that Disney+ Hostar launch in the Philippines in 2022. This is service filipino content on Disney+ Hotstar with a possible content supply agreements with studios and production companies in the country. Can Disney+ Hotstar launch in February. Let's Find Out. MaiLab Cesko (talk) 05:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@MaiLab Cesko: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

draft was declined but citations are high quality and reliable

I have multiple reliable secondary sources for the notability of the article I submitted. Some of them were published profiles (in newspapers and a mainstream magazine) of the subject in question. I don't think the reviewer understood the sources. I don't see a way to contest the decline and I wonder if I can get a second opinion or message the reviewer to retract the decline.

Draft:Lucidbeaming

Can I get some support about the sources I used? Ogouogou (talk) 08:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, I suppose the draft is Draft:Lucidbeaming? ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, Yes the draft is the draft is Draft:Lucidbeaming. My sources include a printed profile in a mainstream culture magazine, printed newspaper article, links from independent music site and radio stations, links from the cultural offices of government websites that have specific references to the article subject, and well-known art galleries with information pages that directly support text in the body of the article. - --Ogouogou (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, In this case, the best is to ask Vinegarymass911 who declined the draft, at their talk page User talk:Vinegarymass911. They'd tell you what make them to decline the draft and might suggest you certain ideas to work with on the draft. Regards ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, I did ask the user. What are my options if they don't respond? --Ogouogou (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, Give them at least 24 hours to respond. You may otherwise ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk as indicated on the decline message. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lucidbeaming seems to be about a "project" by a non-notable artist. I've checked the first eight sources cited; none of them helps to establish that Curry or his project is notable. Ogouogou, which four of the sources cited do you believe do most to establish that either Curry or the project is notable? Maproom (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

National heir and 10th generational grandson of Francis Cooke

i am the National heir and 10th generational grandson of Francis Cooke , Naemasket Hills cemetery , Middleborough, in the Tomson family plots, is intermed, Marguerite May Thompson, daughter of Minor Wm.Thompson II, list MInor Sr.1857-1931..in the genology of John Tomson 1622 Miner descendant, by Samuel Hutchinson, Charles Hutgchinson Thompson, Ingatius Thompson. you find all mygrand fathers . tomson, as John i, John ll, Thomas, Francis , Ruele, Marsten, Minor Wm. l, father  Gorjamax (talk) 09:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gorjamax Welcome to the Teahouse, where we solve editing problems for people. Thank you for sharing this information. I see you added it to the Family section at Francis Cooke, and that it was removed. I presume you want to know why?

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a family history site, we don’t need or want to know about non-notable and distant descendants- or this site would become rapidly bloated with unverifiable information. Just be proud of knowing you family tree, and best wishes from us all. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

what can i do as a user

 Noora.darwish (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Noora.darwish Welcome to the Teahouse. We always say to new users to start slowly by doing small things first. If you click on your Homepage Tab, you should see suggestions of articles that need fixing. Skim through the articles until you find a task that interests you. Alternatively try looking at articles about things near to where you live and look fir any errors or gaps you can fill. Every new factual statement needs to be supported with a citation- do not just add stuff that you personally happen to know. See WP:INTRODUCTION to guide you through the learning experience. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Homepage Tab? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: WP:Growth Team features#Newcomer homepage. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

That's what I needed to know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes! Every new account now has this helpful feature enabled by default. As hosts, we do need to be aware of it. It’s quite clever. Existing users can enable it by clicking the Show homepage button at the bottom of the first tab in the Preferences. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This recurring "eye of the beholder" thing could be a good topic for an essay. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

...so now if I put a welcome message on someones talkpage, I'm their "mentor"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no! ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 10:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I strongly suspect that most newcomers have absolutely no idea that there is a newcomer's welcome page, or how to turn it on. Wikipedia's preference page is quite complicated, with oodles of valuable options; a lot of people who are more interested in articles than settings probably won't bother looking at it, on the principle that defaults-are-generally-good. I had no idea it was there, despite having nearly a year to find it; thank you for pointing it out! Elemimele (talk) 10:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ooh, I've got a mentor. How did that happen?? Elemimele (talk) 10:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I wonder that too. Perhaps there's a list somewhere they volunteered on. Checking more closely, my mentor is not the editor who welcomed me in 2009, but an active admin. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage#Mentorship module. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yup. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Per what NM said, they're nowadays (whenever those began) enabled by default, so should be possible to find. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

query

Is digit.in Digit (magazine) a user generated content or can add information as a reliable source? ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 10:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

२ तकर पेप्सी, This website/magazine has a group of editors who write for it. That is to say, the content isn't user generated. For its reliability, you should enquire at WP:RSN ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 11:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

make a template stop collapsing

If there are so many templates on a page, the template collapses. How do I make the template not collapse? What coding? Quiet2 (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Quiet2 (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Quiet2 It would really help if you would link to the page you're having problems with, please. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Quiet2: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what Nick Moyes said, do you mean that the templates are only displaying as hyperlinks? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBHistory#Further_reading the {{Template:Central Intelligence Agency} is the only template on this page. It automatically is open (uncollapsed).

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency#External_links the {{Template:Central Intelligence Agency} is closed (collapsed) because there are 3 or more templates.

On one of these CIA operation pages, I want to stop the template from collapsing, because currently there are 3 templates on this operation page.

I dont readily remember which CIA operation it is.

Clear as mud? 😮 Quiet2 (talk) 21:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Quiet2 "Clear as mud" was my father's favourite phrase. Very apt here, I must say!

The templates you're referring to at the very bottom of the page are known as navboxes, and are designed to help users navigate their way to related topics. I think they're usually closed (collapsed) by default - especially the big, fat ones - and require the user to open (show) them. If I understand you correctly, you want to force them open at all times? Just for yourself, or for everyone? If the latter, I'd say that was not OK, especially for the larger navboxes. If the former, I'd suggest this might need some special script to do it for you on every page you visit. But each template does have its own state= command (collapsed/uncollapsed). So these could be switched, but I'd not advice that on the CIA page you linked to as they're far too big to be presented in their uncollapsed state. In contrast, article content shown in collapsible tables should always be shown uncollapsed by default, and simply give the reader the chance to hide (collapse) the table if they don't want all that expanded content to get in the way. You should probably read more in the documentation associated with each navbox type. See WP:Navigation template, {{Navbox}} and {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}.

Is that as clear as solidified mud, or more like a gently-flowing muddy slurry dripping down the river bank to mix with clear-running waters? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

My Article is up for Deletion :(

Hey Guys,

My one article, BerriBlue, is up for deletion and I'm not sure whether I'm going about it in the right way. I added some comments to the deletion page. I'd prefer to know what changes need to be made so I can keep this one.

They also mention that I only created that one article so they thought it was suspicious. Fair enough! I made it ages ago, intending to do some more, but never got around to it. It's a good reminder and a kick to do the other ones I had drafts of, but I'm worried whether that will help or not, or will they all just get deleted?

Any advice is really appreciated. Wil57 (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wil57: The first thing I see in the deletion discussion page is that the article fails WP:NARTIST. Severestorm28 12:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I add an image as part of a hyperlink?

How do I add images to links?

I'm trying to make my user page less barebones, and more attractive, so I want to add

[[User Talk:QuickQuokka| [[File:Gnome User Speech.svg]] Talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka| [[File:Mail-closed.svg]] Email]]

to the top of my page, but it shows up as:

[[User Talk:QuickQuokka| [[Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|

How do I add an image as part of a hyperlink? Quick Quokka ^[talk] 11:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe this is what you are looking for. [[File:Gnome User Speech.svg|50x50px|link=User talk:QuickQuokka|alt=Talk]] And this one [[File:Mail-closed.svg|50x50px|link=Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|Email]] Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Pinging you @QuickQuokka: ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Thank you so much, but this isn't exactly what I'm looking for.

I want to have both an image and text next to each other, and for both of them to link to the page I want. I don't want just the image.

But I think your answer will be helpful to me in the future!

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 21:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: I think I have figured out how to do it. Do you want talk to be to the right of the image or below it. I figured out how to do it beside it. [[File:Gnome User Speech.svg|50x50px|link=User talk:QuickQuokka|alt=Talk]] [[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] and [[File:Mail-closed.svg|50x50px|link=Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|Email]] [[Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|Email]] that produces this

talk

and this

Email

― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18:

TYSM!!!

This is exactly what I need!

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 08:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem glad I could help! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Company's page on Wkipedia

I need to make my company's page on Wikipedia. Can you please guide me through all the baby steps. Thank you. Wasif98 (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Wasif98 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you must make a formal declaration as a paid editor, please click on and read WP:PAID for instructions. You should also read about conflict of interest.

I'm afraid that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves, it is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia does not have "company pages", it has articles about companies. Those articles are typically written by independent editors, who take note of a company in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, but in what others completely unconnected with the company choose on their own to say about it. This cannot be based on press releases, the company website, staff interviews, announcements of business activities, brief mentions, or other primary sources. You would need to set aside everything you know about your company and only write based on the content of independent sources- that is usually very difficult for company representatives to do. However, if you think that you can, you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft.

Writing a new Wikipedia article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, even without a conflict of interest- it's even harder when you have one. We usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles first, and also using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wasif98: Well, if it's your own company it's a conflict of interest.

Here are the rules for editing an article if it's a conflict of interest

If you're sure you want to create an article, even though you have a conflict of interest, here are some tips on how to make an article.

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 11:49, 1idebar for the Teahouse.

The Mikmak article is linked as the Hebrew version of the Teahouse.

Sorry for posting this again, again. Last time I forgot to put in the content of the question, and the time before that I forgot to add the subject of the question.

For some reason Mikmak is linked in the "Languages" section of the sidebar for the Teahouse.

On Wikidata, it doesn't show Mikmak linked here.

On the Mikmak page in Hebrew, it doesn't show the Teahouse linked there. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 12:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: is it gone now? An earlier question had link to Mikmak as an old style interwikilink instead of an inline link (with a leading colon). I added the missing colon to the link. MKFI (talk) 13:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, I explained to you above how you had accidentally done this, and how to fix it, and I added that I could fix it but was leaving it so that you could see the effect and fix it yourself. I have now removed the offending link from your previous post. --ColinFine (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

DietPi wiki article help

Good morning. I have been asked to help get the DietPi wiki page published. I have a limited amount of prior information, largely the history at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DietPi I am wondering what the requirements for valid citations are from the actual software developers. I am in contact with them, and as far as I can tell the citations in the rejected draft are from DietPi. Please forgive my newby ignorance. Dherkes (talk) 13:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Does "asked to help" mean paid?

STATUS: Declined four times and resubmitted. Yes, many of the refs are to the company website or somehow connected, and need to be removed. Are there at least three references which are ABOUT the company? David notMD (talk) 13:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Dherkes, Thank you for your candor. Your reward is please review WP:COI and WP:PAID. Then head over to guide to your first article and take a look at WP:GNG, WP:N and WP:RS.

To summarize all those links, certain disclosures are required when you have a relationship with an article subject and that the best way to get an article published is to have multiple independent reliable secondary sources discuss the subject. Wikipedia cares very little about what a subject has to say about itself and any publications from the subject or affiliates will not count towards notability, which determines if a page will be published. The rule of WP:THREE is a good start for any articleSlywriter (talk) 13:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Dherkes, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have been asked to help get Draft:DietPi published, then you certainly have a conflict of interest, and if this is in any way part of your job, then you are a paid editor. These do not prevent you working on the draft, but you need to be aware of the restrictions, and you should make appropriate declarations. (See the links I have provided). Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So unless they can direct you to further independent sources, the developers have nothing to contribute to a Wikipedia article about their work. Please see WP:NSOFTWARE and WP:REFB. --ColinFine (talk) 13:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Copyright

Hi, the source says that He did his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from the Norwegian University of Engineering & Technology, Norway in 1995 with a full scholarship from the Norwegian government. And I want to write he completed his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in 1995 along a full scholarship from the Norwegian government. Is it right? Thanks. Dawnpenguin (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dawnpenguin: Welcome to the Teahouse! You didn't tell us who "he" is or what the source is, but in general you can add this type of information to an article or draft if the source is reliable. GoingBatty (talk) 14:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

GoingBatty, I'm telling about Md Mahbubur Rahman. I'm writing an article about him. The source is [1]. I want to non-copyright the line I've mentioned in the question. The source says, "He did his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from the Norwegian University of Engineering & Technology, Norway in 1995 with a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." And I've converted it to, "He completed his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in 1995 along a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." Is my converted text non-copyrighted? It is my question. Although, I think the question is different. However, thanks. Dawnpenguin (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dawnpenguin: Looks like that's a report of a BPDB press release, so it won't help you with notability. I'm not a copyright expert, but the point of publishing a press release is to have other organizations report the information. You could paraphrase the information more, such as "In 1995, he completed his Master of Science in Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), having received a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." GoingBatty (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Should this article be draftified?

It's incomplete and lacks citations. Excellenc1 (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Good spot! I have moved it to Draftspace. I wouldn't have done so had it not referred to the 2021 election being held in 2015 and delayed because of the pandemic - all seeming gobbledegook, and no ability to verify anything with going to French Wikipedia and speaking French. So I'm sure its creator, Moondragon21, will want to address these shortcomings before returning it to mainspace. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: It appears that the article has been draftified while you were still trying to make an edit. A history merge from Draft:2021 French departmental elections to 2021 French departmental elections is thus needed. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GeoffreyT2000: The article is now merged to the draft, not sure if I did it right. Excellenc1 (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Publishing question

 Mschulz75 (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Why Can't any of My articles get published and Can you help?

@Mschulz75 Welcome to the Teahouse - the place where we help people understand how best to edit this free encyclopaedia. The only article I can see that you've written is at Draft:Trademarks, Patents, and Copyrights. We already have articles on these topics, and what you did write is more of a student essay than an encyclopaedic article. I'm afraid we don't accept that sort of content. Even if you had based it upon Reliable Sources it would still not be quite the right fit here. I'm really sorry to disappoint you. But there are lots of other things you can still do to contribute here - it isn't all about adding new articles. In fact there are 6.4 million+ articles that you could look at - perhaps making small corrections and updates before moving on to add new content, supported by good quality references. See Wikipedia:Community portal for more help and ideas. Regards. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

UK rehabilitation of offenders act

I was about to put an entry into a well-known boxer's Wikipedia about an assault conviction then realised it might not be there at present because of the UK's Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974. I've checked a couple of other actors who I know from older reportage have what are called 'spent' convictions and see they are not in their Wikipedia articles either. This seems fair enough, and there are legal reporting restrictions on spent convictions in the UK, but I wonder if that is a Wikipedia policy? On reflection, I might not put the spent convictions in anyway, but it'd be interesting and useful for the future to have a thought on the matter from someone more experienced. All the best Emmentalist (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Emmentalist. It's not part of policy, and most legal things are related to US law. The ROA article actually discusses the different UK and US positions in the 'libel' section (this is not legal advice). It also has to be said that on Wikipedia as in real life, the US has an unforgiving fixation with words such as 'felon' which UK articles do not. However two policies do spring to mind across the board: WP:BLP and WP:DUE, which basically say that it depends on context and should be proportionate (as well as impeccably sourced). In a lot of cases, minor convictions, or lists of convictions, are going to be disproportionate. For a boxer and an assault conviction? I couldn't say. -- ^(talk) 22:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much,zzuuzz. I've had a read of those references. I think it's probably best to go with common sense and proportion, as those policies and you suggest. In this case, I was looking at a boxer who'd been cleared of a serious offence and noticed that a minor actual one isn't mentioned. I think it's best left out; it' not pertinent to anything in any case. Thanks again, and all the best, Emmentalist (talk) 12:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

i want to add some wonderfully true actual stories about arnost lustig who took 4 semester of film studies at american university in the early 70's - can somebody help me with this?

if so write me back at [redacted]  108.48.0.82 (talk) 14:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Have those factual stories been properly published anywhere? If not, we cannot accept personal memories, anecdotes, or content from personal websites etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

If you have published independent reliable sources for these stories, you can ask for assistance at the article's talk page: Talk:Arnošt Lustig. Note that many Wikipedia editors prefer to have Wikipedia-related discussion on Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

New Draft article

I'm working on new article draft and I'd like to make sure I'm doing it write before doing more work. References are not there yet but I'm working on them SULNOUR (talk) 15:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Abdulahad AbdulNour; @SULNOUR: it appears you've done everything fine so far, however I would suggest writing the article as you get citations. I learned that the hard way, I had attempted to write a gameplay section at SnowRunner and because I wanted to add the info before I got refs, it made it harder for me to find refs for it. I corrected that mistake when I wrote Splatoon 3, I created a list of references to use for the article first, and then took info from them (while putting it in my own words so I dont have a WP:COPYVIO) and put it into the article while referencing those refs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, SULNOUR. Every single word you write before you have found your sources is at risk of having to be thrown away if the reliable independent sources don't support it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a newspaper article I found in a book?

I would like to cite an article from the St. Augustine Weekly News (17 January 1889) that appears on page 5 of a book called Out of the Shadows but I'm not sure how to properly format the citation. Can anyone help with this? If examples from wiki pages were included that would be very helpful. Thanks! Trillkat (talk) 15:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the URL you provided, it doesn't seem to mention the title of the newspaper article. Therefore, I suggest you WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT and cite the book. GoingBatty (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:Would something like this work:

An article from the St. Augustine Weekly News puts it this way:

The colored employees of the Hotel Ponce de Leon will play a game today at the fort grounds with a picked nine from the Alcazar. As both teams possess some of the best colored baseball talent in the United States [,] being largely composed of the famous Cuban Giants, the game is likely to be an interesting one.

Thanks for your response! Trillkat (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Sure! You could even write "An 1889 article..." if that helps explain the context. GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Got it, thanks again! Trillkat (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Referring to a person by last name

Hi, all. I was revising a biographical article and I noticed that it consistently referred to her by her first name whereas all of the other biographical articles I've seen referred to the subject by their last name, or if multiple people with the same last name were discussed, as first initial and then last name. I would like to revise it to reflect the standard format, but wanted to make sure there wasn't something I'm missing. Paridae5000 (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

You'll find advice at MOS:LASTNAME. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Paridae5000 Yes, the surname is generally preferred so I would go ahead and change it. The policy is at MOS:SURNAME.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, great. Thanks! Paridae5000 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to change title

I dont know how to change the title Daddy 1985 (talk) 16:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Daddy 1985 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Changing the title of an article requires a page move. This can be requested at Requested Moves, but if you expect that your move would be at all controversial, you should first obtain a consensus on the article talk page, in a discussion with other editors. 331dot (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Lyrics, sources, copy-pasting

Hello all,

I've been working on a draft for a Soviet folk song. The song was illicit, underground, never published anywhere. Soviet copyright law starts in effect with the creation of a work, though under Soviet copyright law in either the 1925 or 1928 laws it would now be out of copyright (the song's date is not known exactly but thought to be from the late 20s). Soviet Copyright law from this period also guaranteed the right to translation.

If you look at The Song of the Volga Boatmen, a Russian folk song with no recorded author, the WP article reproduces the lyrics in full, along with a transliteration and two English translations. The lyrics section cites no sources for the original, the transliteration, or either translation; as such, all of those are either copy-pasted from some source and not cited or (it seems to me) constitute original research. I'm not very familiar with WP's translation policy, particularly of works in the public domain.

My question is thus, how can I include the lyrics of the song I'm writing about? I have in my possession the seminal source about Soviet popular music, which features the Russian lyrics and the translation. I'd like to include both and cite that source. However, doing so would be copy-pasting, which is against policy. If I instead include just the Russian lyrics and do my own translation, would that not amount to original research? If I include the Russian lyrics, would I not have to cite them? Would it be best to just not include the lyrics at all? The Russian version of the article I'm writing features lyrics in a lyrics section and cites a source for those lyrics; however, they seem to be copy-pasted from that source. The German version of that article does not feature lyrics.

Apologies if I made any incorrect assumptions; I'm still fairly new to WP. Lkb335 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

adding links to pages in other languages

Hello - I tried to add a link to this page https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Owen on this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Owen and vice versa, but each time I get the notice that the respective page could not be found. What do I do wrong? Thanks. Heinzelcheese (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! This should work: [[id:Sri Owen]]. Hope this helps! —GMX^{(on the go!)} 17:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Heinzelcheese: There's already a relationship between these articles at Wikidata, so readers at the English Wikipedia can go to the Sri Owen article, go to the "Languages" section of the lefthand toolbar, and click the "Bahasa Indonesia" link to get to id:Sri Owen. You shouldn't add any links to id:Sri Owen within the English Wikipedia Sri Owen article. GoingBatty (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter

The Wikipedia information Ramah Chapter

The Ramah Navajo Chapter was represented by Chief Class Counsel Michael P. Gross and Co-Class Counsel C. Bryant Rogers. Carter G. Phillips argued on their behalf that this was a simple contract case to which the Ferris doctrine applied.2603:3000:E2C:E000:C3F:A42D:5068:7B20 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC) 2603:3000:E2C:E000:C3F:A42D:5068:7B20 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have a reliable independent source WP:RS that verifies the information you suggest here then you can make this suggestion at the articles talk page (Talk:Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter) or make the edits yourself. :) --ARoseWolf 17:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

is the Giampaolo Group notable

 2605:8D80:621:C2E6:59FD:4DCF:1A30:D8D0 (talk) 18:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I think you're talking about this company? If so, I don't think that they are particularly notable - there are some news results, but most of them appear to be passing mentions. If you can find 3 reliable sources that go in-depth about the company, feel free to make a draft and then submit it at Wikipedia:Articles for Creation. Wgullyn (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with Redirect

Hi everyone, I have made a redirect to this article Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah to Gifty Oware-Mensah but I made a mistake in my initial redirect, instead of Article redirect I made it wikipedia redirect. It look different as it should when someone want to view, so a kind gesture of someone work on it would be pretty good. Thanks.Jwale2 (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2: If you need help on how to make a redirect please read WP:REDIRECT. Hope this helps. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Also it looks like the accidental redirect you made is going to be speedily deleted because someone noticed the accident so you are going to be fine. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX (on the go) requested a speedy deletion of Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah on the grounds it was obviously done in error which is confirmed by Jwale2. If we can help you with anything else @Jwale2 please let us know. Happy Editing! --ARoseWolf 19:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think they wanted the erroneous redirect (Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah) deleted. If so (@Jwale2:), I've already tagged it for speedy deletion, and an admin will delete it shortly. Hope this helps. —GMX^{(on the go!)} 19:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18:, @ARoseWolf:, @PorkchopGMX:, thank you guys for the quick response.Jwale2 (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem @Jwale2: ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia’s policy on using a quote that contains a curse

If I’m quoting a police record in which someone curses and it is important enough for me to add. How should I format it? Put in the first letter and than put astrics or hashtags for the rest of the letters (_*** or _###)? Or should I not censor it whatsoever? Just to make it clear, it is the quote from the man is alleged albeit taken from a “police source”. Megabits13 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13 Megabits13 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Megabits13 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm first wondering what the need to quote a police record is, and if it is available to the general public. Regardless, Wikipedia is not censored. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I would urge you to read WP:BLPCRIME. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The topic is Jacobi medical center’s recent shooting and the quote explains the shooter’s motive Megabits13 (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13

Russ Whitney

Russ Whitney Hello, I was trying to find a webpage about Russ Whitney but nothing has come up. I've heard controversial statements about him, apparently a successful entrepreneur who used a lot of get rich quick schemes. Is there any reason that no wiki page or almost any page can be found about him other than a NY Time article?

Thanks! 158.106.205.2 (talk) 19:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! It doesn't look like there are many news sources on that person. If you can find at least 3 in-depth, reliable sources on them, you can write a draft article and submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Cheers! Wgullyn (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I will also add that if you are to creat an article on them I would suggest reading Help:your first article and WP:GNG (to ensure it passes the notability guidelines). ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse! Since you cannot find multiple independent reliable sources about Whitney, which would be necessary to demonstrate how Whitney would meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion - called "notability", that could be why no one has created a Wikipedia article about him. GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to add talukas and district in this list ...

Category:Lists of villages in Maharashtra have list about some talukas but many districts and talukas have no mention on this page. I suggest you to add list for Mumbai, Jalgaon, Pune, Nashik etc districts in it. Success think (talk) 20:39, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could try making the suggestion at Wikipedia:Requested articles or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maharashtra. GoingBatty (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Success think, this is not the first time that you have asked people why such-and-such doesn't exist, or have suggested that they make it. (See for example "Why is there no portals about Indian states?", above.) Some people are here in the expectation/hope of making money from editing. Your suggestions and requests won't tempt them. But the great majority of us are unpaid volunteers. Anything that we can do, you can do too; so there's usually little point in suggesting that we should do something: instead, consider doing it yourself. Yes, we may be more experienced than you are; and before you embark on this or that, you're welcome to ask whether doing it would be a good idea. -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary:, Ok I'll not ask again.Success think (talk) 06:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

New article help: Henry Reyes aka PhilmyPortraits

Hey, I was wondering if anyone would like to give an unbiased, informative, constructive interview with the artist known as Henry Reyes, aka PhilmyPortraits. I've been in contact with him in several informal scenarios, and his philosophies and policies are interesting, to say the least. He's beginning to work on NFTs, and I think it would be in the best interest of his audience to know the artist behind the works.

He's a bit terse and elusive, so any information that can be gathered about his individual is vital. For anyone interested, I'll be willing to share notes on the artist's professional life. I've also asked permission to publish an article on him, for valuable informative points he makes. Watsoncreativemedia (talk) 22:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Watsoncreativemedia Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see your user talk page for important information about your username and conflict of interest.

This isn't really the forum to solicit an interview with who I presume is your client. Interviews are primary sources and do not establish notability as Wikipedia defines it for artists. Privately held notes or other information is also not acceptable; it must be in a published, publicly available independent reliable source. An article would need to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about Mr. Reyes. His permission is not required for there to be an article about him on Wikipedia; articles are typically written by independent editors without any involvement from the subject. Mr. Reyes may wish to read this essay about why an article about him might not necessarily be a good thing. 331dot (talk) 22:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Watsoncreativemedia, Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

So, if I write my article to a reliable news source, then get someone else to reference the article, that would work, right? And I don't get to edit the wiki?

He already has articles out there about him, I could reference those easily. I also know folks who know nothing about the subject, and they wouldn't be paid to do so. It's just easier to get information straight from the horse, so i thought that would be the first step. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clynnwat (talk • contribs) 01:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, I don't have a personal interest in his work, but he's gaining popularity. I'm not being paid for this article, i think it would be informative to note someone who has a profound effect on the art world. I have no interest in promoting his work, and I won't even link to his social media. The guy has a bachelor's degree in liberal arts, and he's become a point of interest for people who think negatively of him. I just want to put the real story out there from a professional point of view.

Clynnwat Not exactly. Wikipedia is not a place to get information straight from the horse- it gets information from the people who got the information from the horse, so to speak. If you "get someone else to reference the article", that simply transfers the conflict of interest to them. Same if you approach "folks who know nothing about the subject". If there are already independent reliable sources that cover Mr. Reyes in depth, you may create a draft at Articles for Creation that summarizes those sources, and then submit it for a review, but you should review WP:COI and WP:PAID first(you don't have to be specifically paid to edit to be a paid editor, any paid relationship triggers the disclosure requirements). If you just want to tell the world about him as you see fit, you should use social media or a website owned and operated by you or Mr. Reyes. 331dot (talk) 01:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Clynnwat, I'm struck by something that you wrote: I have no formal association with Mr. Reyes, I just believe his subject of choice is strange enough to merit notability. And if it is such an issue, i will see to it that he makes his name in the US news. (My emphasis.) You seem to have it the wrong way around. Articles in Wikipedia are written about people who have already made their name (whether in the US news or elsewhere). Moreover, it sounds as if you are intent on publicizing Reyes on Wikipedia. If this is so, please don't: you'd only be wasting time, primarily your own. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

en.m.wikipedia.org

HELP! I’m in the modified version of the Encyclopedia. It says en.m.wikipedia.org instead of en.wikipedia.org. How do I change it? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:64B0:E80B:A595:623A (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem should be fixed if you remove the 'm' from the URL. That is, the URL should be en.wikipedia.org. The 'm' just changes the page styling. There are no other changes. Kpddg ^(talk) 02:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: Every time I remove the 'm' it always brings it back, Why is the URL so strange? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:64B0:E80B:A595:623A (talk) 02:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are on a mobile device, it will default to the "m" (for "mobile) version. It displays better on the small screen. But if you're on a big screen the other version is better. You probably got there by following a link that somebody sent from a mobile device (at least, that's how it normally happens for me).--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are on a mobile and want to force in onto the desktop version of the site, a toggle switch between mobile and desktop view is available at the bottom of every page. You can read more about the difference at Help:Mobile access.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Honorific prefix

Hello I had a question, Is there a way to add a honorific prefix or something that does the same thing to a royalty info box? Orson12345 (talk) 03:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Orson12345, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can add an honorific prefix to the infobox title itself in some cases, only when appropriate. See MOS:HONORIFIC for better understanding. Kpddg ^(talk) 08:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Kpddg Thank you for responding. I tried adding a honorific prefix to a royalty info box but it doesn’t let me. I’ve added honorific prefix’s to nobility info boxes and officeholder info boxes and it let me but for some reason it doesn’t let me with royalty info boxes. So I wanted to know if there’s a way around that. Orson12345 (talk)

@Orson12345, could you tell which page you are having probelms with? Kpddg ^(talk) 08:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I would just like to point out the honorofic 'His Grace' you added in the article John Dudley, 1st Duke of Northumberland. According to MOS:HONORIFIC, such prefixes should not be added before the name, but can be discussed in the article. Honorofics are used in cases only when it is so commonly attached to the name that reliable sources without it are not found. (Example: Mother Teresa). We do not usually add such prefixes in the infobox, but they can be mentioned in the article. Thank You. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg I wanted to add His Serenity to Leonardo Loredan. Orson12345 (talk)

This article does not have an infobox, that is why you are not being able to make the additions. You can mention this title in the text of the article itself. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Well I guess most editors don’t follow that rule because almost every duke in Wikipedia have his His Grace attached to there name. Orson12345 (talk)

I might be mistaken, but I checked articles on many Dukes to clarify (like listed in Duke of Cornwall, List of dukes in the peerages of Britain and Ireland, Duke of Lancaster, Duke of Clarence, Duke of York, etc.) and did not find any honorific prefix in the infobox. I know I have written this several times, but please do read MOS:HONORIFIC. A good way to resolve this would be to discuss on the article talk page. If you still think I am mistaken, please do ask another editor as well for their opinion. Thanks again. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Navigation popup for Principia College

Hello, I noticed that Principia College does not have a image in its page previews area. I think if there were an image in the infobox it would also naturally appear in the page preview for Principia College? However, if I don't want to go so far as to put an image in the infobox, is there a way to redirect the first image of the page to be used as the page preview image?

Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Translating FA - Should I fully research topic?

Hello! I have recently undertaken a project where I am translating a featured article (Гото Предестинация) from the Russian Wiki. Would it be better for me to purely translate the article, or fact check every piece of information with the source? I am concerned in doing the later as Google Translate may not translate correctly the many Russian sources, thus making my corrections factually incorrect. As it is a featured article, it should be reviewed enough where all the information is correct. Everything in the article correlates with the little information in English, and at a brief review everything looks sound. I plan in not being blind to the information, but not correlating every fact. Is this the correct course of action? GGOTCC (talk) 04:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You should not translate articles in languages you do not speak. You especially should not use Google Translate to perform article translations. Typically research is required for translating an article, which is why it is best left to those who are fluent in both languages. ––FormalDude talk 05:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GGOTCC I agree that you need to read each source yourself and base what you write on what they actually say. You really do need to have a very basic grasp of the other language to be able to wade through those sources, although Google Translate can be used to do the ‘heavy lifting’.

By way of example, I only know schoolboy French (last studied 45 years ago!), yet could get enough out of the French sources I found with the help of GT to create this article which got into DYK last week. Although articles on this Frenchman already exist in 3 other languages, I never felt the need to look any of them, other than the quickest of skims. It took week’s of hard work, but was worth it. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand; thank you both! GGOTCC (talk) 11:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:Shua Hoffman

Hey, my wiki page keeps getting rejected. its for an artist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shua_Hoffman) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shua Hoffman (talk • contribs) 06:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shua Hoffman. Your draft was not rejected, but rather it was declined. These are two different things. As for your draft, it utterly fails to show that this person is a notable musical performer. Wikipedia is not a social media site and is not a directory of every musician on Earth who has a social media account. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY to understand why your effort is a bad idea and unlikely to be successful. Cullen328 (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Shua Hoffman: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see what is considered a reliable source; understand while writing about yourself isn't forbidden, it is strongly discouraged; and that Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Any mentoring system available?

I am new here and would like to get some help on to find my way around here. There are so many pages just about how to contribute that it's often easy to miss the right one. I would like to get the right introduction path here on Wikipedia. I made a small self-introduction on my userpage. Feel free to contact me also on IRC. GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev Welcome! Have you tried these? WP:ADVENTURE and WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gavrilla and welcome to the Teahouse. I have left a message on your talk page and it may help you though a little big. You can also perform the activity that is available at Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure, though I don't really know if it still works or not, as I could not do it myself. But still, you can try. Happy editing, and don't forget the Teahouse if you ever encounter any problem. Thanks and regards. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 08:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I was also told recently that new editors have a "Homepage Tab" which mentions a mentor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. ––FormalDude talk 08:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude Just to say that WP:AAU is really not suited to complete newcomers, but works for those new editors who have already shown a commitment to sticking around and contributing, yet now want to learn more about the finer details of editing. Self-help, by reading WP:INTRODUCTION supported by the Teahouse, or by one’s mentor allocated via their Homepage tab are the best routes for an absolute beginner. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Acceptability of primary sources

I have become an editor as I wish to improve the page on L. Winifred Faraday. My sources are letters written by her archived at Leominster Museum and, so far as I am aware, are the only sources for information on her Fellowship at Oxford and her teaching career. Can I go ahead? I wanted to use the Talk page relevant to her entry but can't see anywhere to write! The Bi-metallic daughter (talk) 10:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. The article is at L. Winifred Faraday, & the talk page at Talk:L. Winifred Faraday. To start a new conversation of the talk page, use the "New section" tab. If the sources have not been published, they are not acceptable for Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@The Bi-metallic daughter: Some museums allow search of collections via their website. However, Leominster museum's here does not appear to have a search facility and hence it is impossible for a Wikipedia reader to verify they hold material on L. W. Faraday, and even less to say what exactly it is. So your only way to proceed using that material is, I think, to write an article about her based on your research into the archive and have it published in another outlet (e.g. learned journal or local newspaper) first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Question about uploading an image

Hi,I'd very much appreciate your help, if possible! ..I'm trying to upload an image to the page Islamic Reporting Initiative - specifically, a picture of the chairman, who is himself already on Wikipedia - Mohamed Amersi - but not yet with an image. I'm in contact with him and he has given me permission to use a picture for use on Wikipedia, which is a picture to which he holds all the rights. I have completely read through the Wikipedia page Wikipedia:Uploading images, plus some of its subpages, but I'm still not entirely sure that after I publish it on the page - which in itself seems simple enough - it won't be immediately removed.. I think my questions are: a) Does my image qualify as a 'fair use image'?, b) Am I allowed to upload this image directly to the English Wikipedia?, and c) If I do (upload to English Wikipedia) what are the downsides vs uploading to Wikimedia Commons? Again, I'd be extremely grateful for your guidance. Thank you and have a great day! Julianross CSR (talk) 10:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC) Julianross CSR (talk) 10:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Julianross CSR, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. First, please notice that "upload an image to the page" is not an accurate description: you upload an image, and (separately) use it on one or more pages. Now about using it: there are two quite separate paths for using images. Either the image is freely licensed and can be uploaded to Commons and then used on English Wikipedia and any other Mediawiki project; or'its use meets all the requirements of English Wikipedia's non-free content criteria (which are more restrictive than "fair use"), and it may be uploaded to English Wikipedia and used in an article.

One of the NFCC is that there is no possibility of obtaining a free image, so I'm afraid it is almost never acceptable to upload an image of a living person in that way. So the only way that you could use Amersi's image is by the "free licence" route. That would require the copyright holder (who is usually not the subject, unless it is a selfie, or it was taken under a contract which specifically assigns the copyright to the subject) to explicitly license it under CC-BY-SA: giving permission to use it on Wikipedia is not sufficienct. So you would need the photographer (probably) to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials, and then you could upload the picture to Commons, using the Upload wizard. It is tortuous, because copyright is such a tortuous issue. --ColinFine (talk) 11:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your superfast reply Colin! Seriously appreciated. Wow, yes this does sound like quite a process - which I kind of saw coming - but extremely helpful to now have such clear directions. So will first follow up with the photographer, and then follow through accordingly from there. All sounds doable. Thanks again! Julianross CSR (talk) 11:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Varal Consultancy DMCC

How can I improve this article? Varal2 (talk) 11:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The author received advice at User talk:GTLR, including a link to Wikipedia's definition of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The article has been nominated for Speedy deletion, and is very likely to very quickly disappear with no record of it ever having existed. If you want to retain a version of it, copy it to your computer. In general, new editors (you) are strongly advised to follow directions at WP:YFA on how to create a draft and then submit the draft to Articles for Creation (AfC) for review. You bypassed this to create an article in mainspace that does not comply with Wikipedia standards. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

CONFUSION: Varal2 created and then blanked Draft:Varal Consultancy. GTLR then created identical content Varal Consultancy DMCC, nominated for Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

References behind a paywall

Is it acceptable to refer to a source that is behind a paywall? Does that still count as being in the public domain? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

For info on sources behind a paywall, see WP:PAYWALL. It is not necessarily public domain. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

It is acceptable to use paywalled and offline sources (like, you know, books), although most editors prefer easily accessible sources. Paywalled sources do count as published (in fact, most academic literature these days has a "preprint" version not behind a paywall, and a "published" version behind a paywall that is considered authoritative). This is different from public domain, which refers to copyright. —Kusma (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

What's wrong with my page? Please help!

Hello, my page was moved into the draftspace. I think it is fairly important as it is the highest state honour which Hungary awards. I feel like it is cited and written well... Any help would be appreciated! Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hungarian_Order_of_Saint_Stephen Pelicanegg (talk) 11:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

hi Pelicanegg and welcome to the teahouse! since it seems like the page hasn't been denied yet, you may keep working on the page and improving it for now while waiting for an article review, although for now, moving it directly from draft to article space without going through the review process is discouraged. happy editing!  melecie  t - 13:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melecie, thank you! But I find it has been unfairly moved to the draftspace. Could a third-party properly review the page? Also a similar thing happened to my other page. Link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dale_A._Martin Thank you in advance! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelicanegg (talk • contribs)

Bearcat, would you be able to comment on why you moved the article to draft-space? The template-comments added on draftification include the sentences "Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting". It is very hard for an editor to address the issues if there aren't any obvious comments to address. Having looked at the article and checked, admittedly just one, of the references, nothing leaps out as obviously appalling about the article, so I can understand Pelicanegg's need for help on this. Elemimele (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

In regards to the second article they mentioned, it appears that Onel5969 has requested that Pelicanegg clear up the question about a potential connection or COI with the subject. The draft says that @Pelicanegg has declared a connection but I don't see where that occurred. Regardless, that shouldn't keep an article from being moved from draft to main space if the sources check out. Having a COI and creating an article about the subject with which you have a COI is not against policy. Disclosing your COI is required but that's not a content issue. Hopefully these two reviewers can clear up this and give the editor solid reasons beyond what I see right now. --ARoseWolf 13:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• It's really quite simple: you are not entitled to bypass the AFC process by submitting a draft to the AFC queue for review and then immediately moving it into mainspace yourself just one minute later with the AFC review template still on it: once you submit it to the AFC queue for review, you have to wait for it to be reviewed and processed by the AFC queue reviewers. Nobody's saying it can never have an article, but you have to respect and follow the proper process, and the process does not allow you to just arbitrarily move the page into mainspace yourself while it's still waiting for review. Bearcat (talk) 13:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Bearcat, do I have to wait for other reviewers or can I just take the AFC template off? With this much energy it makes more sense to review the page rather than move it here and there... Thank you in advance :)

@Pelicanegg: you are not obliged to use the AfC process at all. It can be a good idea to do so, because the reviewers may make helpful comments. But it was set up such that unconfirmed and unregistered users could continue to submit articles indirectly, after they were prevented from doing so directly in main-space following some problematic incidents. If you physically can place an article directly in main-space, you are entitled to do so. It won't be listed on Google until it has been approved by a new page reviewer, or until 30 (I always get this wrong!??) days are up. As for removing the template, see below. Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bearcat:, I believe you are mistaken in this, but would welcome input from a more experienced editor. AfC is a project, set up by someone to help those who needed help. It's only a project, not a rule, and if you look at its project page, you will find that while there are instructions for reviewers, there are no instructions for those who submit an article. Also please note that it is described as a "Peer review" process, which implies that the editors doing the reviewing are equals of those whose articles are being reviewed, not superior gate-keepers. That is the meaning of the word Peer. There are also no instructions on the "pending" template telling the author not to remove the template. Articles that have been rejected at AfC do indeed regularly get moved to main-space, and then often turn up at AfD. Remember, AfD is actually the final test, not AfC: the criteria at AfC are basically "accept if you think AfD won't delete it again", but it is consensus at AfD that matters, not the individual views of the AfC (peer) reviewer. It's unhelpful if people remove their AfC tag, but I'm not sure if it's against any rule? Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

What I was more concerned about is the mixed messaging that is given. We told this editor that they shouldn't circumvent the process and that's why this article was draftified, however, in the comments we told them that they should not resubmit until they had addressed the issues laid out by the reviewer that draftified the article. In the same comment we told them that they needed to improve the article before resubmitting or risk it being rejected and/or deleted. From what I see here the article wasn't draftified due to a content issue but due to a perceived procedural issue. And if @Bearcat reverted the article to draft status for the reason they stated which is evidenced by the edit summary then what is there to address and why shouldn't they resubmit immediately? I don't think it's correct to chastise this editor for being confused when the directions given are very confusing. --ARoseWolf 20:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobody removed the AFC tag from the article. The page was moved to mainspace with the pending AFC review template left on it. And as for allowing page creators to submit drafts for AFC review and then immediately move the page themselves, keep in mind that doing that defeats the entire purpose of AFC, because if every editor is given free rein to do that and no edit actually has to wait for review, then what the hell else is the point of having AFC review at all? Lots of rules get broken around here all the time, but it doesn't mean they aren't still rules. Bearcat (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

How to remove a template

 Puretortoise (talk) 13:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Puretortoise Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would help to know which template it is you wish to remove, in order to give you the best answer. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

hi, I've gone and removed the {{Multiple issues}} template from Avraham Avi-hai. unsure exactly how to remove templates in visualeditor (i primarily use source), but I believe it's just tapping the backspace a bit few more times. happy editing!  melecie  t - 14:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

This bot undid my constructive edit on Aphthous stomatitis!

Hi. The bot by the name of "ClueBot NG"(talk) undid my edit at the page "Aphthous stomatitis." I think this bot is malfunctioning. Admins, please shut the bot down. Also, can somebody revert the bot's edit on the requested page please? Thank you! ExpositionLaner2835 (talk) 16:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ExpositiongLaner2835 and welcome to the Teahouse. In the edit summary, it says "Report False Positive? Thanks", so that's how you report if the bot is overzealous. However, I observe that you added material without a citation. If your addition is in the sources already in the article, that's fine; but if it is not then (especially in medical articles) you need to cite a source. Please bring it up at the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

User has been blocked as a sock of Giratto. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Creating References

I am having difficulty creating references. I have created 22 references using a template "Template: ACS References", at the bottom of the article. Now I am trying to insert the reference numbers in the article text (e.g. [1], [2}, etc.), but not having an luck. Gerryrkirk (talk) 16:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The references need to be created at the point in the text to which they refer, see Help:Referencing for beginners (a link which you were given in the earlier feedback on your draft). --David Biddulph (talk) 17:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC).

Yes, I finally figured it out. Thank you.

QUESTION HOW DO I CREATE A NEW WEBPAGE ON WIKIPEDIA ?

Hi, I would love to be part of the Wikipedia family and create new pages of persons who are worth being mentioned on Wikipedia. How do I start? Thank you so much for all the help you can give Patrick PATRICK HERBOTS WILRIJK (talk) 17:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@PATRICK HERBOTS WILRIJK: Hello Patrick! First, please don't shout. Second, I would suggest reading through WP:YFA, which detail how you should go about creating a new article as long as you make sure the subject is notable. Also, if you're wanting to create articles on people who are either living, or recently died then you should read WP:BLP. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I have left you a welcome message on your user page, please be advised that creating a new article is the very hardest task on Wikipedia, it's probably best to gain some experience with smaller edits first. good luck. Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Accidentally reverted a picture

Hello, I reverted a picture of the nine kings of Europe photographed together accidentally to a colorized version, and I immediately reverted it back. Will I get blocked? Vamsi20 (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Hello Vamsi! You shouldn't get blocked. People usually don't get blocked for making small mistakes, although if it's repeated they will probably get blocked as it becomes clear the user is doing it intentionally. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

No, you will not get blocked! It's helpful to explain the error in the edit summary, but that's it. We all make mistakes. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

Vamsi20 (talk) Vamsi20 (talk) 17:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: You can make some really quite large errors and still not get blocked, though offenders have ended up in the Village Stocks. Those with a good sense of humour may also find themselves having an occasional fishy encounter. Don't panic! If you mess up, just say "oops", and fix it if you can. Otherwise, some nice person here will probably manage to fix it. Elemimele (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Although even those with a terrible sense of humor have presented people with a fishy encounter. As evidenced by me having to remove the trout button from my talk page― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

can someone tell me how to decorate my profile so it looks good

I wanna make my profile look good, how do i do the formatting? Outrunno (talk) 18:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at the Userpage design center. ––FormalDude talk 18:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude: You do know that page is inactive right? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yep–still a good resource though. ––FormalDude talk 20:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree completely that its still useful. Some of the formatting suggestions have helped me. --ARoseWolf 20:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright then. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Outrunno, to start you might want to have your user page welcome women editors too, not just those who are male. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Citation Issue

Can someone please check to to resolve the citation issue?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Huma_Batool Adeelkhanwwc (talk) 18:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Adeelkhanwwc:  Fixed, you just forgot some of these characters: < when closing the ref tag. I also added the template {{reflist}} to the references section which will automatically list the references when they are used in the article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@blazewolf What do you suggest should I resubmit or add more in the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adeelkhanwwc (talk • contribs) 19:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Adeelkhanwwc: Couldn't tell ya. Not really an area I have much knowledge in or am really interested in. I really only recognize one of the sources as being reliable (that would be BBC, I don't think it not being in english diminishes the reliability) for sure. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

i want to merge an article

i belive this articile should be merged with this one Why? Because they should be in a article called "Internet Browser (Nintendo consoles)" it makes it much more simpler, what do you think. TzarN64 (talk) 20:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64: I don't think Internet Browser (Nintendo consoles) is an appropriate titel because the Nitendo DS/DSi, Wii, 3DS, and Wii U are the only Nintendo Consoles (that I'm aware of) to have an internet browser (the one on the Switch doesn't count since it's not officially supported by Nintendo and you have to change the DNS settings in your internet settings to access it). This might be a more appropriate discussion at WT:VG. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Report of COVID-19 misinformation

Hello,

I'd like to report a COVID-19 misinformation that happened on 7 Sept 2021 on the Italian TV show diMartedi' by virologist Ilaria Capua

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaria_Capua

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_20CVsqrc at 49:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyxksFh42g or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-Ge_3ZmIg for the short version

As you can easily verify translating the video descriptions, she literally said on television: "Ivermectin is a dewormer for horses and is a drug that is dangerous for people because it is not registered for people".

I perfectly agree with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic and I think it's a very serious matter not only claiming that it can be a treatment but also lying about one of the safest drugs.

I don't need to quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin right?

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

"These two discoveries have provided humankind with powerful new means to combat these debilitating diseases that affect hundreds of millions of people annually. The consequences in terms of improved human health and reduced suffering are immeasurable."

Thank you for your attention. 193.57.100.10 (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not clear on what your question is. If you have a suggestion to improve an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Sources / Citations ref first hand account and participation

REF my prior submissions. As a newbie here I have but one simple goal and that is to ensure that the details included in wiki are true and accurate. I think we can all agree on that for sure. I am finding it difficult to understand a couple of items. First, how does the wiki community define "reliable published source (s)" and secondly, how does first hand participant details (not previously published) ever make into this database. When a significant person, like a US president, writes his memoir of time in office, and raises matters not ever published before, are you saying that such information is not deemed credible? If so, all personal memoirs would be excluded. If you accept them as "credible" then you are simply picking who is and is not "credible" by a means of life importance. If former President Obama said something for the first time in his book - does that mean it is true? Because a well known book publisher prints millions of copies, does that also make the words of one man become "credible"? Is the New York Post more or less "credible" than the New York Times or Washington Post? Thus back to my point - what really is a "reliable published source" ? I look forward to more open discussion on this matter and hope ALL enter with an open mind. Thanks. AmIntelAgent32 (talk) 21:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@AmIntelAgent32: See WP:RS for what we consider reliable sources. Unpublished first hand accounts cannot be included. See WP:V, all information must be verifiable. See WP:TRUTH for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 21:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

web source?

Adding a source from the web Hello. First time in the Teahouse. I have been editing Wikipedia for 10 years yet still adding a source in certain instances is a sticking point for me. In Floyd Patterson' article, I want to add something in the Retired Life section of the article, after where it says he ran the 1982 and 1983 Stockholm Marathon. He ran the 1983 New York City Marathon, which I ran also and beat him by 9 minutes that day. Want to source with: NYRR Race Results 1970-Present, enter his name, and the result pops up. Can you please put that source right after Reference #28 if you can please and I will fill in the narrative(only a few words). No one is responding on the talk page. Thank you for your time and effort. Have a good day.2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC) 2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Added a title to this question RudolfRed (talk) 21:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I've added a reference after citation 28 to the article for you. ––FormalDude talk 21:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see, but I wanted his result posted, so when you click on the site, enter his name in the box (Floyd Patterson) and his 1983 New York City Marathon result will come up right away.2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Never mind. Did it myself. All good now. Thank you for your help.2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

image upload, requested non-free

I see in Talk a long list of books for which images of the covers/jackets are wanted. I could upload a bunch, but as a not-quite-autoconfirmed editor I apparently ought not to upload non-free images. Also, I don't feel confident about following the directions in the File Upload Wizard regarding non-free requested images (placement in article, notification in Talk). Perhaps I should just upload them in the Commons and hope they are noticed? Or perhaps someone could walk me through the first one? Thanks in advance for your advice. Anne.erickson (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Request for Mediator Please

I would like to ask for help regarding my page Dale A. Martin. The article was gutted even though all the facts were properly cited. I have a COI, I am not paid, however I wouldn't like to give away my identity. Here is a link to the lengthier dispute: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#c-Slywriter-2022-02-02T22%3A06%3A00.000Z-Dale_A._Martin

Thank you for all your help/advice in advance! :) Pelicanegg (talk) 22:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)