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Articles created/expanded on July 17
Active Life: Explorer
- ... that the fitness and sports video game Active Life: Explorer is also a party game and mini-game compilation?
Created by TheLoverofLove (talk). Nominated by OCNative (talk) at 10:49, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:
Hook
- Length, format, content rules: Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Source: Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Interest: Extremely low. Nearly all fitness games released are mini-game compilations. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Image suitability: Not applicable. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- ALT hooks, if proposed:
- Perhaps ALT1: ... that in 2010 a Family Trainer was released for the Nintendo Wii?
Article
- Length: Barely there, but it's okay. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Vintage: Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sourcing (V, RS, BLP):
- Neutrality: Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Copyvio: Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: A little short, but nothing fatal. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
Comments/discussion:
- Looks pretty good, although there are a few qualms I have that should be dealt with before this gets approved. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've found close para from this editor (the creator) before and I think the gameplay section has a high chance of being closely paraphrased. I wouldn't approve this unless someone has checked it. Unfortunately, getting hold of the game manual is probably going to be hard. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Isn't there an online game manual repository or something like that? I seem to have remember seeing that before, although naturally the copyright status of said repositories precludes them from being used as sources. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
- I've found close para from this editor (the creator) before and I think the gameplay section has a high chance of being closely paraphrased. I wouldn't approve this unless someone has checked it. Unfortunately, getting hold of the game manual is probably going to be hard. Christopher Connor (talk) 15:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Could you details those qualms so they can be addressed directly? - Dravecky (talk) 09:14, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Specifically, the interest factor of the hook. Christopher Connor brings up a good point too, about possible close paraphrasing that I cannot check. Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 18
Brandreth Pill Factory
Know Hope Collective, Know Hope Collective (album)
- ... that the murder of Pon Navarasu led to the passage of the first anti-ragging legislation in India?
- Reviewed: Chilston Park ([1])
Created by Sodabottle (talk). Self nom at 14:28, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
- The hook fact is not supported by the article. The article says that legislation was passed, and that Tamil Nadu was the first Indian state to pass a law banning ragging. There is no place that says this was the first anti-ragging law in India, or even in Tamil Nadu. I am also very concerned by the large number of strong uncited claims about murder, confession, and dismemberment. These facts need to be cited, or else this article cannot be used for DYK. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:51, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- The legislation passed a)bans the practice of ragging b)criminalises it. I believe this can be described as an "anti-ragging legislation/law". This is the common usage in India. A few examples of usage of this term in in RS - [2] [3], [4]. Perhaps this is a regional language variation problem. In indian english, any law banning a particular practice is called "anti-X" law in general parlance. Thus legislation banning dowry is called "anti-dowry law". If it is still confusing how about the following alt hook:
- ... that the murder of Pon Navarasu led to the passage of the first legislation banning the practice of ragging in India?
or
- ... that the murder of Pon Navarasu led to Tamil Nadu becoming the first Indian state to ban ragging?
- And all the claims - murder, confession and dismemberment are clearly supported by the references added. In fact this single news report on the first sentencing supports all the claims you mention above -(John David, who indulged in ragging in the hostel campus, was angered over the fresher, Navarasu, for not obliging him and assaulted him in his hostel room. When Navarasu fell unconscious, David decapitated him and severed his limbs. He dumped the head, packed in a rexine bag, in a slushy pond located in the University campus, ....On November 18, David made a confessional statement and later took the policemen to places where he had disposed of parts of Navarasu's body; .....today sentenced John David, a second-year medical student of Chidambaram Annamalai University, to a double life imprisonment for murdering Pon Navarasu). This report alone supports what you claim to be uncited - "murder", "confession", "dismemberment". There are multiple other references that support the facts stated in the article like this 2011 report - (David reportedly had a fight with his junior Navarasu, son of the former vice-chancellor of Madras University, Prof P K Ponnuswamy, on November 6 and killed him in his hostel room. He then decapitated and dismembered the body and stashed it in different places.). I am puzzled why you claim the article contains uncited claims. Am i missing something here?--Sodabottle (talk) 05:55, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- The citations are all clustered on sentences about the legislation at the end of the paragraph. Facts need to be supported by citations placed at the end of the sentence in which they are presented, and not by citations placed on sentences five or six later. I would not know which facts are supported by which sources without going and reading the sources, which means the citations are not properly placed. Currently, all the citations in the first paragraph are positioned to support only the final two sentences, which deal only with the legislation and not the circumstances about which most of the paragraph is written.
Either of the alternative hooks you proposed above would be suitable as the hook, but the citations problem is serious. Negative claims must be carefully cited in an article, and that has not been done here. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:50, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- The citations are all clustered on sentences about the legislation at the end of the paragraph. Facts need to be supported by citations placed at the end of the sentence in which they are presented, and not by citations placed on sentences five or six later. I would not know which facts are supported by which sources without going and reading the sources, which means the citations are not properly placed. Currently, all the citations in the first paragraph are positioned to support only the final two sentences, which deal only with the legislation and not the circumstances about which most of the paragraph is written.
- What does "Pon." stand for? The full name should certainly be in the article, if not necessarily the hook. Johnbod (talk) 17:07, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- I think Pon is the actual name. Google shows more hits without the period than with it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:54, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 19
Timema
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Timema
Kiever Synagogue
Vojihna
- ... that the military commander Vojihna, after successful conquests, was one of the first of Serbian nobility that received the court title caesar by Serbian Empire Dušan the Mighty (r. 1331-1355)?
Created by Zoupan (talk). Self nom at 17:37, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:
Hook
- Length, format, content rules: 246 ch. ALT1 is down to 228. Needs further trimming.
- Source: Doesn't seem to be anywhere in here. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Interest: On the low side. I suppose it can pass, but trimming it might give ideas on how to make it punchier. Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Image suitability: None. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- ALT hooks, if proposed: ... that after his military conquests, commander Vojihna was one of the first of Serbian nobility to receive the court title caesar from Serbian Empire Dušan the Mighty (1331–55)?Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that Vojihna was one of the first of Serbian nobles to receive the court title caesar from Serbian Empire Dušan the Mighty?
Article
- Length: Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Vintage: Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Ref tag for "In 1359, Helena abdicated and took monastic vows, under the name Elisabeth."?Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- This should probably use the cite family of templates. Also, don't cite every single sentence. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Neutrality: Looks OK. Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: AGF on foreign language sources. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Copyvio: Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting: I ran the dash script; you're encouraged to use it. Suggestion: images 240px (at least the map, which could be 260px, frankly). Could you fix "that" ("who") in the opening sentence, please? Could merge stub-paragraph start of "Origin". There are other stub-paras, too: merge now and split later if necessary? Tony (talk) 01:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Referencing should be cleaned up. Hook fact needs to be stated directly in the article and cited. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Comments/discussion: He was an emperor, not an empire.
Articles created/expanded on July 20
James E. Lawrence
Communication strategies in second language acquisition
- ... that saying "picture place" instead of "art gallery" is an example of a communication strategy?
- Reviewed: James Ronald Leslie Macdonald ([5])
Created by Mr. Stradivarius (talk). Self nom at 13:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- None of the three sources are inline, so I do not see how this DYK can be approved. Further, I question the validity of this article as written; the topic of communication strategy goes far beyond the technical use of the term as defined in this narrow portion of the field of linguistics here. The hook itself is indicative of how vague and utterly incomplete the whole presentation is. This may be an inappropriate venue for that larger discussion, but the article can hardly be judged better than a stub when its explicit topic is vast, and if it were so judged, which I hope someone with that authority will now do, it would not qualify for DYK.Alawa (talk) 18:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Alawa, and thanks for looking over my DYK nomination. I agree that the topic of "communication strategies" is potentially vast, and that this article is only dealing with the topic as it is presented in second language acquisition literature. I don't think this means that it fails the DYK criteria though - I don't see that anywhere on the selection criteria list. I would be open to renaming the article to something like communication strategies in second language acquisition, though, if that would help. Thinking of it as an encyclopaedic topic, though, I think it would be best to leave it where it is, and then people are free to expand/edit it as they see fit. As for the citations, the hook is cited inline, and the article in general uses inline citations - maybe you were confusing this criterion with online references? It is not necessary to have the references online to get a hook accepted at DYK. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 16:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- I appreciate being educated in the criteria. (is it just me or are they changing the procedures rather often?) I can accept the references in good faith. If that gets you a DYK, good for you. However, my concern over the disjuncture of your topic (extremely broad) and your discussion (vanishingly narrow and clearly a stub) remains profound. That disparity leads to a hook that has almost no meaning. Specifically, your hook misses the point-- saying X instead of Y is not a strategy; coining a new word is. That is how I read your entry, at any rate. Perhaps you could say *ALT1 ... that linguists have identified several communication strategies used in learning a second language, including coining new words? And even if that works for you, I still encourage you to see if your content would not be better integrated within the article on second language acquisition. IMO that is where it belongs, instead of creating a future problem of disambiguation if someone wants to actually write about communication strategy, which is, after all, a robust field of its own. But that is up to you. Alawa (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't mind changing the hook at all - my one was just the snappiest one that I came up with. Your example is definitely more solid, and will mean more to readers, even if it might not get as much click-through. But that's fine by me. As for the content, well, I may be able to expand it, but not for the next day or two, as I will be busy. I shall post back here if I expand it, and otherwise leave it to the best judgement of the editors here. Also, it could and probably should go in second language acquisition - I've been slowly building that article and its daughter articles up, and this time I just chose to write the daughter article first. As it stands it's probably a little too big for a merge - it would have to be condensed. Still, even if it doesn't get a DYK I don't think it will do any harm being there by itself. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 06:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- No great harm, anyway, and I could be wrong about this being the right way to seed a large, complex entry. But as for the DYK, the fact that we appear to agree it is not a fully-developed article in the sense intended by the Additional Rules for DYK (D7: There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress) makes it hard to give it a green light, with all respect, even with my own Alt1 in play. Sorry to take that hard line. I'll leave this as a open question, however, in case another editor wants to venture an opinion. Good luck on the next one. Alawa (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- References can be offline and accepted in good faith. However, there are issues with this article. For one, the title is definitely not sufficient because the topic is vast, but the article is narrow. The title needs to reflect the focus of the article and the article will have to be tweaked to make it obvious that the term "communication strategies" is not exclusively about learning a foreign language. Secondly, not all paragraphs have citations. As for the hook, it is merely incomplete because it doesn't mention the context so that one can understand the term "communication strategy". Saying X instead of Y is indeed a strategy, as anyone who has ever tried to communicate in a foreign language knows. It's one of the most-used strategies there are in communicating in a foreign language, particularly when one is first starting to use the new language. However, that does come from the subheader "Coining new words", which is also a strategy and is interesting as such. I would say the nominator needs to fix the title and tweak the article, make sure all paragraphs (even one-liners) are cited and then use the ALT1 hook below or write another one that includes the complete context. Marrante (talk)
- ALT1: ... that coining new words like "picture place" (for "art gallery") is a communication strategy used by people learning to speak a foreign tongue?
- No great harm, anyway, and I could be wrong about this being the right way to seed a large, complex entry. But as for the DYK, the fact that we appear to agree it is not a fully-developed article in the sense intended by the Additional Rules for DYK (D7: There is a reasonable expectation that an article—even a short one—that is to appear on the front page should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress) makes it hard to give it a green light, with all respect, even with my own Alt1 in play. Sorry to take that hard line. I'll leave this as a open question, however, in case another editor wants to venture an opinion. Good luck on the next one. Alawa (talk) 01:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- I don't mind changing the hook at all - my one was just the snappiest one that I came up with. Your example is definitely more solid, and will mean more to readers, even if it might not get as much click-through. But that's fine by me. As for the content, well, I may be able to expand it, but not for the next day or two, as I will be busy. I shall post back here if I expand it, and otherwise leave it to the best judgement of the editors here. Also, it could and probably should go in second language acquisition - I've been slowly building that article and its daughter articles up, and this time I just chose to write the daughter article first. As it stands it's probably a little too big for a merge - it would have to be condensed. Still, even if it doesn't get a DYK I don't think it will do any harm being there by itself. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 06:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- I appreciate being educated in the criteria. (is it just me or are they changing the procedures rather often?) I can accept the references in good faith. If that gets you a DYK, good for you. However, my concern over the disjuncture of your topic (extremely broad) and your discussion (vanishingly narrow and clearly a stub) remains profound. That disparity leads to a hook that has almost no meaning. Specifically, your hook misses the point-- saying X instead of Y is not a strategy; coining a new word is. That is how I read your entry, at any rate. Perhaps you could say *ALT1 ... that linguists have identified several communication strategies used in learning a second language, including coining new words? And even if that works for you, I still encourage you to see if your content would not be better integrated within the article on second language acquisition. IMO that is where it belongs, instead of creating a future problem of disambiguation if someone wants to actually write about communication strategy, which is, after all, a robust field of its own. But that is up to you. Alawa (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
- Hi Alawa, and thanks for looking over my DYK nomination. I agree that the topic of "communication strategies" is potentially vast, and that this article is only dealing with the topic as it is presented in second language acquisition literature. I don't think this means that it fails the DYK criteria though - I don't see that anywhere on the selection criteria list. I would be open to renaming the article to something like communication strategies in second language acquisition, though, if that would help. Thinking of it as an encyclopaedic topic, though, I think it would be best to leave it where it is, and then people are free to expand/edit it as they see fit. As for the citations, the hook is cited inline, and the article in general uses inline citations - maybe you were confusing this criterion with online references? It is not necessary to have the references online to get a hook accepted at DYK. — Mr. Stradivarius ♫ 16:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
- Nothing is wrong with the alts, the article has been moved, and whatnot. However, there are still some parts of the article that are unsourced, and it looks fairly obvious that it is unfinished. Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Header, links, and templates updated to new article name. - Dravecky (talk) 09:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on July 21
Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences
- Promoted by PanydThe muffin is not subtle: Template talk:Did you know/Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences
Tatanua mask
- Rejected: Template talk:Did you know/Tatanua mask
Chinese Academy of Fishery Sciences
- Ooops... I've reworded the hook. The reference is to the Yangtze River Fisheries Research Institute, which is part of the Chinese Academy of Fishery Sciences. --Epipelagic (talk) 13:35, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
South Africa Conciliation Committee
Articles created/expanded on July 22
Monster Talk
- Rejected: Template talk:Did you know/Monster Talk
SeaLifeBase
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/SeaLifeBase
Richard Taylor (British Army officer)
Heavy Neolithic
Articles created/expanded on July 23
Earl Best
- Promoted by Crisco 1492
Ichthyoplankton
LarvalBase
Chinjusha
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Chinjusha
Joseph Gotthardt
Articles created/expanded on July 24
Gisborough Priory
Days Gone Bye
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Days Gone Bye
Icelandic Phallological Museum
Shinde Chhatri
Okukubi Dam
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Okukubi Dam
Toposa People, Nadapal, Narus, South Sudan
Hybrid Scorecard
Promoted by Sharktopus
A2 (Croatia)
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/A2 (Croatia)
Iain Blair
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Iain Blair
Architects of the United States Forest Service
- Rejected by Crisco 1492
Scutellaria floridana
Nelson Story
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Nelson Story
Ronald Bodley
- Rejected by rʨanaɢ (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Ronald Bodley
2003 Aceh New Years' Eve bombing
2004 Palopo cafe bombing, 2004 Poso bus bombing
Mely G. Tan
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Mely G. Tan
Human-Canine Bond
- Note after the fact: This article was expanded by a student for this class. Yngvadottir (talk) 16:09, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
SS Eastern
Monarch Contemporary Art Center and Sculpture Park
- Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Monarch Contemporary Art Center and Sculpture Park
Dudley Town, Cornwall, Connecticut
Rule of Marteloio
Articles created/expanded on July 25
Fukuji Dam
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Fukuji Dam
Michel Demazure
Arthur Seymour
- Promoted by PFHLai (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Arthur Seymour
Caxton Hall
Bruce McLenna
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Bruce McLenna
Promin
*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Promin
Packera franciscana
Mike Keller
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Mike Keller
Ontario Highway 7A
*Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Ontario Highway 7A
Belle Mina
Acer douglasense
Babette Rosmond
Jerold Krieger
Biological screw joint
- Promoted by Crisco 1492 (talk): Template talk:Did you know/Biological screw joint
Trigonopterus oblongus
List of posthumous number-one singles (UK)
Ayudhapurusha
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Ayudhapurusha
Es ist das Heil uns kommen her, BWV 9
Leslie Flint
- Promoted: Template talk:Did you know/Leslie Flint
Army Substance Abuse Program
HMS Doterel (1880)
Herb Kawainui Kane
- ... that Herb Kawainui Kāne died on the 36th anniversary of the launch of the voyaging canoe he designed, Hōkūle‘a, an icon of the 1970s Hawaiian Renaissance?
- ALT1:... that Herb Kawainui Kane died on the 36th anniversary of the launch of the voyaging canoe he designed, Hōkūle‘a, an icon of the 1970s Hawaiian Renaissance?
- Reviewed: Blanfordia
- Comment: Character count is high if one counts the pipe necessary to have Hawaiian characters represented. If that is a problem, the alt version is consistent with the Wikipedia title style. But that would be unfortunate.
5x expanded by Alawa (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Please add a comment and signature (or just a signature if endorsing) after each aspect you have reviewed:
Hook
- Length, format, content rules: Ch. count seems fine (display mode). Tony (talk) 01:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Source: 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Interest: Not thrilled with the interest factor in either the original or ALT1.Tony (talk) 01:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- Can you talk a bit about why you don't find it interesting that the man who designed one of the most famous voyaging canoes in the 20th century, happened to die on the day he designed it 36 years previously? Personally, I find that about as "interesting" as you can get. Draws the reader in, IMO. Viriditas (talk) 22:21, 1 August 2011 (UTC)
- Image suitability:
- ALT hooks, if proposed:
- ALT2 added in response to Tony: ... that thieves stole a mural by Herb Kawainui Kane, called by some the father of the Hawaiian Renaissance, removing the painted wall in sections with power tools? Alawa (talk) 15:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
- ALT3: ... that Herb Kawainui Kane died on the 36th anniversary of the launch of the Hōkūle‘a, a voyaging canoe he designed?
- ALT4: ... that in his youth, Herb Kawainui Kane, called the father of the Hawaiian Renaissance, honed his sailing technique on Lake Michigan? Alawa (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
- ALT5: ... that Herb Kawainui Kane designed the international voyaging canoe Hōkūle‘a to inspire a Hawaiian Renaissance? Alawa (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Article
- Length: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Vintage: Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sourcing (V, RS, BLP): Why is this blogspot interview reliable? Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Based primarily on the author's record of published articles in reputable periodicals found by googling her. I posted a note in the discussion about the use of this source, specifically asking for help with the only unique really meaningful claim (U of C relationship to SAIC) that I used this blog for. This is a historical issue that goes to the Herb's academic credentials; most sources say just that he studied at both institutions which appears to be what he told people but I thought this clarified how that might have worked, given that U of C is an elite university and SAIC is an art school, albeit a very good one. I figured it was transparent enough, plus considering that the blogger had an independent reputation, that I could use it. I also relied on the source for the Danish ancestry of Herb's mother, but that makes perfect sense when you look at the demographics of that part of the country and state of his birth, so I was willing to take that on good faith. I'd like a better source, but I do think this is better than accepting the vagueness of other records. Alawa (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Neutrality: Seems a little gushy. Phrases like "nurturing a passion" are not that neutral. Nothing blaring though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Plagiarism/close paraphrasing: This, this, and this show a possible paraphrasing problem, like the "in a dream" statement. I don't know if it is bad enough to keep this from reaching the main page though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- Copyvio: Image has a FUR, although it isn't the best. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- I wasn't considering this a failure, just trying to indicate that the FUR should be a little better. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- Obvious faults in prose, structure, formatting:
Comments/discussion:
- Quite a few things to consider. The hooks are fine, although I think the article may need to be checked for neutrality. It would be nice if the nominator could show that the blogspot interview is a reliable source too. I defer the paraphrasing issue to a more experienced editor. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
- In-context replies done. Still worried about the paraphrasing. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:07, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I have not used the tool you applied to determine potential copyvio, so I may not be fully appreciating the results. To the extent that I can, I must point out that the lengths of the paraphrased phrases are rarely more than 4 words, again if I am reading this correctly. That seems a bit hair-trigger to me. Some are longer, and some of those are quotes or are made to seem long by the use of multi-word terms, for instance such as the Polynesian Voyaging Society (four words), which with "founded" seems to trigger the tool. I could be wrong. Certainly I have tried to stay as close to the source information as I could so I suppose some close paraphrasing is possible, but it is often a matter of subjective judgement, which is not to say I do not welcome having other eyes on it to test my degree of closeness. The Dream claim now has its own source, and I am about to add a second, neither of which suggest close paraphrasing. Is that still a problem? Again it seems like a common phrase and a story often told, so the wording may have appeared in some source, but is not of such a length as to raise a flag IMO. If there are examples of "too close" paraphrasing I share your concern and would like to rewrite them promptly. Just having trouble understanding if the need is real or an artifact of the tool. I'd be happy to hear instruction on the more sophisticated use of the tool you are applying, in any case. Thank you again for reviewing the article AND my feedback here, and almost as fast as I can write it! Alawa (talk) 14:58, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
- I'll ask someone who is better versed in copyright to give feedback on how close the paraphrasing is. You are welcome, and I am very glad that we can work together to get this article passed. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:43, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
- I requested feedback from User:Moonriddengirl. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
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- ... did you know that moral reasoning is culturally defined, and thus is difficult to apply; yet human relationships define our existence and thus defy cultural boundaries.
5x expanded by Keith Siebel (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Length | Newness | Cited hook | Interest | Sources | Neutrality | Plagiarism/paraphrase |
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Not eligible as "newest content." Expansion happened July 20, not July 29. The article also has other issues, so I recommend against a major Swahili exception. Sharktopus talk 14:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
- So a new hook then please! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 02:13, 5 August 2011 (UTC)
- How about this? ALT1: ... that the German philosopher Immanuel Kant believed moral reasoning should be based on universal laws of morality?
- Some parts are still uncited, and read like OR. For example, the last paragraph has "When it came to moral decisions both men and women would be faced with they often chose the same solution as being the moral choice. This shows that gender division in terms of morality does not actually exist. Reasoning between genders is the same in moral decisions." Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:57, 7 August 2011 (UTC)
- Temporarily striking my delete vote as per Rjanag, but as of August 11 I still see an article that reads like OR, with not one improvement since July 29. I have notified author on talk page, as have others. Sharktopus talk 03:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- Comment This article was expanded for a course, which has now ended. The nominator may not be looking any more. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I have now rewritten the article extensively. A previous copyedit had missed many of the problems. As expanded, this is a poorly structured and inadequate overview with mostly poor sources and showing poor understanding in places. NPOV doesn't really come into it because it's too close to the sources. There was close rewording where summary should have been used, but no plagiarism or copyvio that I can see; too many refs rather than too few. In short, it's freshman-level class work that needed advice and guidance from the instructor. The student had trouble with the citation templates and as intuited by Sharktopus has added examples as a means of clarification as one would in an essay. There is one bit of OR, which I commented out. I don't think it's ready for prime time, but if an expert can whip it into shape and if it then still meets the length requirement, may I suggest:
- ALT2 ... that moral reasoning does not differ substantially with gender?
- ALT3 ... that according to psychologist Jonathan Haidt, moral reasoning is secondary to emotion-based intuition? Yngvadottir (talk) 19:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think any of the regulars are experts in psychology... article still doesn't seem ready for prime time. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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August 17 (Indonesian Independence Day)
Bendera Pusaka
- ... that during the Indonesian National Revolution the first Indonesian Flag, Bendera Pusaka (first hoisting pictured), was cut in half to save it from the Dutch military forces?
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 02:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- Review to follow. Could we save this for 17 August (Indonesia's Independence Day)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:19, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Capnomancy (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- Good to go.--Epeefleche (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- And the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- OK w/me ... but I'll let one of the admins who handles those things address that. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 02:46, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
- And the date? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
Gugur Bunga, Ismail Marzuki
- ... that Ismail Marzuki (pictured) wrote his 1945 song "Gugur Bunga di Taman Bakti" to honor the Indonesian casualties of the Indonesian National Revolution?
Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 14:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Length, date and refs check.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:57, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- Review to follow. Could we save this for 17 August (Indonesia's independence day)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Andrew Pataki (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
- Another review to follow. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:36, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Battle of Drashovica (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:48, 12 July 2011 (UTC)
- And the date request? Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
- What is the copyright status for Indonesia? The lyrics probably ought to be PD for them to be in the Gugur Bunga article. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 08:54, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
- Copyright status is noted on article's talk page. Short version, copyright for lyrics is life of author + 50 years, which means that they became public domain in 2008. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:25, 31 July 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you. The rest of the article seems OK. --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 01:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
List of Prime Ministers of Indonesia
... that Sukarno (pictured) was the last Prime Minister of Indonesia?
5x expanded by Crisco 1492 (talk). Self nom at 07:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Review to follow. Could we save this for 17 August (Indonesia's independence day)? Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:11, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Reviewed: Horny House of Horror (diff) Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
- Of the two sources used to support the hook information, one calls Sukarno a prime minister, but the other does not include him in a list of prime ministers of Indonesia. Neither source (nor the article) actually says he was the last prime minister; he is simply the last one in the nominated aricle's table. A hook fact must be supported by a citation. In any case, the article is "new" (more than 5x expanded) and is now of adequate length. --EncycloPetey (talk) 04:00, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
ALT1 ... that Sukarno (pictured) considered himself one of the Prime Ministers of Indonesia?- ALT1 better? Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:45, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Or
ALT2: ... that President Sukarno (pictured) also considered himself one of the Prime Ministers of Indonesia?Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:53, 22 July 2011 (UTC)- Those are better, but I think we can make it a little stronger as:
- ALT3 ... that in 1959, President Sukarno (pictured) declared himself to be also Prime Minister of Indonesia?
- This makes the situation a little "hookier". --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Those are better, but I think we can make it a little stronger as:
- I prefer ALT3, but any of the alternative hooks should work. --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:41, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Do you want to also save this one for 17 August (Indonesian Independence Day)? --EncycloPetey (talk) 13:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, please. ALT3 is fine. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
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