Talk:Usher (musician)

4 consecutive number ones

This album was not the first the yield four consecutive number ones. There are several other albums that released balls in the 80s that equalled this feat, and Michael Jackson's Bad, which surpassed it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.213.243.130 (talk) 18:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC) Usher is now married to Ciera Denise Banks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.5.226.234 (talk) 19:41, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

usher does not go out with kukua dylis

Edit request on 13 February 2012

He is married to Lindi Fritz

"Aside from his musical career, Usher is regarded as a sex symbol." Please remove this. Regarded as a sex symbol by who? Where is the citation? This *really* needs removing.

Usher's wikipedia biography REALLY needs to be longer. He has no artistry section or a legacy section or a public image section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.78.116.209 (talk) 22:37, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

86.173.197.209 (talk) 22:20, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done, great find andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) 00:13, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Artist signature

Just added an image of his signature to the Wikimedia database. Please feel free to include it in the subject infobox.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Usher_Raymond_IV_signature.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChipmunkAlvin (talk • contribs) 06:03, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

rarities EP

why is there no page for the rarities EP? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.55.200.189 (talk) 02:57, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I've never even heard of it, mind adding a link to some information and maybe we can make a page? SE KinG. ^{User page.} _Talk. 18:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - Kile Glover

In the last paragraph of the Personal life section, the correct spelling of the boy's first name is Kile, not Kyle. And the boy is Usher's former stepson, not stepson.

Current text is: "On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old stepson Kyle Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier."

It should be changed to: "On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier."

For verification, see:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

http://www.ajc.com/news/kile-glovers-family-we-1473926.html

http://news.bostonherald.com/track/celebrity/view/20120710reports_outlook_grim_for_ushers_former_stepson/srvc=home&position=recent

http://www.facebook.com/kile.glover

--76.189.98.15 (talk) 01:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

 Question:Why should it be former stepson? He hasn't died, and is still Usher's stepson--Mjs1991 (talk) 02:48, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

He is his former stepson, as the sources I provided indicate, because Usher and the boy's mother divorced in 2009. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 03:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

 Partly done: Per this story, it seems that the many sources (including earlier CBS News reports) using the 'y' spelling are probably incorrect. While you may be right about the "former" qualification, the aforementioned source just says "stepson", so I'm not going to make that change. Rivertorch (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there are many sources who incorrectly spelled Kile's first name. Even the CBS story you alluded to says, "(Many reports have previously spelled the boy's name "Kyle," but the family's statement refers to him as "Kile.")" Regarding the stepson issue, it is an objective fact, both legally and by definition, that Kile is Usher's "former stepson." One can only be your stepchild if you are married to the child's parent. Usher and Kile's mother are divorced (which is not in dispute and is correctly stated in the article). Both of the sources I provided - from CNN and the Boston Herald - include the "former" status in their headlines: "Family seeks prayers for Usher's critically injured former stepson"[1] and "Reports: Outlook grim for Usher’s former stepson."[2] Please make the correction. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 14:11, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 14:24, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm seeing a mix of usages (between stepson and former stepson), but the CNN and Boston Herald (reprinting Atlanta Journal-Constitution) stories seem reliable enough to think that the wordings without it are just imprecise. Any objections to me making the change on those grounds? --j⚛e decker^talk 16:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

No objection from this quarter—it's just a question I hadn't considered a lot before. By this logic, it follows that I must have stopped being a nephew to my aunt, and vice versa, when she and my uncle divorced. Nobody in my family would have thought that for a moment, since her relationship to the rest of us didn't change one iota. Strange things, marriage and the law. "Dear Former Aunt Lavinia, thanks for the sweater. . . ." Rivertorch (talk) 17:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. I found it a little unfamiliar myself, which is why I didn't jump to make the edit, most appreciated. --j⚛e decker^talk 18:40, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Rivertorch, I completely understand and appreciate your viewpoint. And it certainly is a question that most people don't often consider. However, this is an issue about an objective, factual matter for an enyclopedic article, not about emotional feelings. I, too, have an uncle (my mother's brother) who divorced his wife many years ago. My siblings and I of course always referred to her as "Aunt (first name)", remain close to her to this day, and continue calling her "Aunt (first name)." However, factually and legally speaking, she indeed stopped being my aunt when she divorced my uncle. And I stopped being her nephew. So although we choose to continue saying "Dear Aunt (first name)" when thanking her for a sweater or some other gift, that doesn't actually make her our aunt. In our heart, she is. But for an encyclopedic article, she is not. Also, a difference with the issue of a stepchild - in this case, Kile - is that no one addresses him face-to-face or in a letter as "Stepson Kile" or "Dear stepson Kile," etc. He's just "Kile." But this discussion is not about how someone greets Kile. It's only about encylopedic correctness regarding his step status to Usher. I completely agree with Joe Decker; that sources using "stepson" are just being imprecise; while others such as CNN and the Atlanta Journal-Constitution (Usher's hometown newspaper, which covers him more than any other metro daily) are purposely being very precise for accuracy. Thanks for everyone's input. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 18:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - canceled ESPY appearance

The last sentence in the Personal Life section should be removed. It says, "On July 11, 2012, Usher cancelled his appearance at the ESPY Awards later the same evening; he was due to present an award, but wanted to instead focus on his family's well-being.[118][119]" None of that is important. The fact that he canceled an appearance is a very minor detail and certainly not worthy of inclusion in an encylopedia. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 16:12, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I'll let someone else make the decision, but it seems to me that if the awards cancellation gets axed, the rest of the paragraph should, too. Otherwise, the remaining content would say nothing about Usher's personal life, being merely about an accident suffered by a former relative. Rivertorch (talk) 17:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

The tragic event with his former stepson, which has received worldwide coverage indicating their close relationship, is a huge event in Usher's life and therefore absolutely warrants being included in the "Personal Life" section. But the fact that Usher canceled a random appearance because of that tragedy is of no importance, so it should be removed. And there's no legitimate reason to remove the rest of the paragraph. Like the saying goes, you don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. But I would agree that the sentence, "As of July 9, 2012, a family friend is under investigation for the accident.[117]" should also be removed. Anything about the investigation is simply not necessary because it's not directly connected to Usher and therefore goes beyond the scope of his personal life. So I would remove the last two sentences (about the investigation and the ESPY cancellation). --76.189.98.15 (talk) 19:14, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 19:16, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 19:32, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done All right, you make a good case. The offending sentences smack of recentism, anyway. Rivertorch (talk) 20:07, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, River! --76.189.98.15 (talk) 20:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

By the way, it would probably be a good idea to add the CNN article [3] as citation 114 (at the end of the first sentence of the paragraph) because it shows both the correct spelling of Kile's first name and that he's Usher's former stepson. It can go along with the other two cites that are currently at the end of that sentence. --76.189.98.15 (talk) 20:33, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Added that one, as well as the CBS News one that specifically discusses the apparent misspelling. Rivertorch (talk) 08:51, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request - Personal Life section

Please make the following edit to the last paragraph of the Personal life section. It will remove all the specific details about the incident itself (jet ski, inner tube, name of lake, etc.), which are simply unnecessary. The only content that's worthy of inclusion is that Usher's former stepson was declared brain dead, along with a very basic explanation of the cause. The article is about Usher, not the boating accident. If readers want more details, they can just click the cited links.

CURRENT: On July 7, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was hospitalized after he was struck in the head by someone riding a jet ski while sitting in an inner tube on Lake Lanier.[114][115] On the following day, Glover was declared brain dead by doctors.[116]

CHANGE TO: On July 8, 2012, Usher's 11-year-old former stepson, Kile Glover, was declared brain dead following a boating accident the previous day.[114][115][116]

Also, the following source can be added as a fourth citation at the end of the sentence. It should go first, not last, because it's about the boating accident, while the last cite is about the brain death: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/10/showbiz/usher-stepson-injured/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

--76.189.98.15 (talk) 06:55, 13 July 2012 (UTC) 06:59, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

 Partly done: I've trimmed the wording, removing some of the extraneous details per your suggestion. I think that "boating accident" isn't a good idea, since a personal water craft may not be considered a boat and because the "accident" appellation relies upon an assumption. (I ditched the trademark while I was at it.) I also concluded that the location, Lake Lanier, while not essential, benefits the paragraph by adding a bit of context. I moved the CNN ref up, as you suggested, and removed one of the TMZ refs—three is probably still too many, but four would be ridiculous for what is now one sentence whose basic facts aren't in dispute. Rivertorch (talk) 09:10, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request - Kile Glover death

In the Personal life section, please make the following important edit regarding Kile Glover's death. The sentence is factually incorrect. The boy had NOT been taken off life support. He actually died of heart failure. Some media outlets had erroneously reported that he died as a result of being taken off life support. Therefore, the sentence needs to be changed and the two current citations (116 and 117), which are not even highly reliable sources, must be removed. I have provided two extremely reliable sources below. One is from the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, which is Usher's hometown newspaper and the primary media outlet that covered the story. The other is from CNN. Both sources clearly explain that the cause of death was heart failure and that reports of the boy being taken off life support were wrong.

CURRENT: Glover was taken off of life support on Saturday, July 21, 2012 and was declared dead.

CHANGE TO: On July 21, 2012, Glover died of heart failure while on life support.

Citations: Atlanta Journal Constitution and CNN

Thanks. --76.189.98.33 (talk) 08:04, 22 July 2012 (UTC) 08:12, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done If it gets reverted then seek consenus. Until consensus is reached then just the date should be fine, not the circumstances.--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:41, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! But you forgot to replace the two citations (that contained the incorrect information) with the two updated sources I provided (Atlanta Journal-Constitution and CNN). --76.189.114.180 (talk) 01:20, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

 Done--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:27, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick fix, Canoe! --76.189.114.180 (talk) 01:30, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

You are very welcome. Far better response than I get from other IP edit requests.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:34, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

76.189.114.180 is a good IP. As was 76.189.98.33. And 76.189.98.15. Rivertorch (talk) 04:31, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 31 August 2012

i want to sya that usher does not go out with kukua

Donreamgirl (talk) 11:56, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 15:12, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Middle Name

Usher has no middle name, he announced at the iTunes Festival 1st September 2012 —

Usher has no middle name, so why is there a middle name included on Usher's Simple English biography on Wikipedia?

Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.29.88.164 (talk) 23:07, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

 Done Rayman^{95 (talk)} 17:29, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 02:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond – This is his real name. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 02:22, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment: That may be his legal name, but it does not seem to be his WP:COMMONNAME. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:45, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose - It isn't recognizable. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 06:52, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose, but would support move to Usher (singer) - per reliable sources zero compare 40,430 results. Obviously a lot of static and difficult to do comparisons. But the books thrown up in the second search show that en.wp is pushing a neologism with this article title. In ictu oculi (talk) 13:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
• Support if there is evidence that the real person would like to be known officially by this name. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:40, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Official names should not be preferred. Otherwise Snoop Dogg would be titled "Snoop Lion". Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 16:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

"Officiallly" is not the point. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:57, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - why entertainer? He's clearly the primary topic so why not just Usher? See the recent move at Adele. Unreal7 (talk) 23:01, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
  • Certainly not the primary topic. If there was a primary topic, it would be usher (occupation). Powers ^T 20:08, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
    • How so? The entertainer gets way more views than the occupation.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 17:54, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
      • This was also what I was thinking. Per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, a primary topic is one which is significant with respect to usage, so how often a user searches that term, which as shown by Status, users clearly search the entertainer far more than the occupation. In terms of long-term significance, Usher has remained since the early 2000s a hugely significant and successful artist. His notability and significance would remain intact through both his past and current work. Et3rnal 22:40, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. I'd support a move to Usher, as the user above me stated. Also, it's "Usher Raymond IV".  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 23:06, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agree with Status. — Tomíca^(T2ME) 23:27, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose, for who is this Raymond person? LCS check (talk) 00:53, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose move to Usher Raymond, but Support Unreal7's suggestion to move to Usher. Et3rnal 17:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Favonian (talk) 18:33, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

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• Usher (entertainer) → Usher
• Usher → Usher (disambiguation)

– Several users expressed in the above discussion that the entertainer is the primary topic of the name Usher. The only possible thing close to the entertainer is the occupation - above, I provided a comparison in page views, showing the entertainer as being the most sought after.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 00:38, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Pageviews are not the only determining factor, especially when we have a case of proper noun versus common noun. Apple is the fruit and not the corporation. That said, the singer's popularity is the reason why we have a disambiguation page, but the common noun's meaning competes at a level greater than its pageviews would indicate by virtue of its basicness. (It's also worth pointing out that the common noun "usher" has several related meanings that are covered in different articles; they should be considered in aggregate when looking at pageviews.) Powers ^T 01:05, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. Google searches and page views reflect internet browsing habits. Reflecting internet browsing habits is not the aim of an encyclopedia. Short English language words that have multiple associate Wikipedia pages should always go first to a disambiguation page. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 01:28, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• Strong oppose WP:RECENTISM, the job is highly likely, and there's more than one entertainer. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 01:45, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. per all above, but as before would support correction of the disamb bracket to what is actually used in printed sources, i.e. Usher (singer). In ictu oculi (talk) 03:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
  • I'd prefer "singer" as well, but I think we're in the minority there. Jenks24 (talk) 10:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per the second criterion of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. IMO the singer does not have more long-term importance or educational value than the occupation. Jenks24 (talk) 10:54, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
• Support. And so do several others in the previous move request. Unreal7 (talk) 23:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)
• Support Per explanation in previous discussion. Et3rnal 21:30, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 3

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The result of the move request was: not moved(non-admin closure) jcc (tea and biscuits) 09:42, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond – If Beyoncé Knowles doesn't go by her mononym on Wikipedia, neither should Usher. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 01:22, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

• Comment we just discussed this in March, see #Requested move 1 ; and you were the one who proposed that. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:25, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. As for Beyoncé Knowles, to understand the relevance of that abomination here, see WP:OTHERSTUFF. --B2C 04:27, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose; he never uses his last name in credits. Beyonce does. Powers ^T 13:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support on the basis that "(entertainer)" as a disambiguator ought to be destroyed with fire. This is not a comment on the appropriateness of the move target; Usher (skdjfhlwiuer) would also be an improvement. 168.12.253.66 (talk) 17:21, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose, per WP:COMMONAME. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 06:58, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support; natural disambiguation is better than making up our own parenthetical disambiguation. Nobody outside wikipedia calls him "Usher (entertainer)", so it is not clear to me how WP:COMMONNAME supports the current title. bobrayner (talk) 22:08, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

  The same way it does for any title we use with a parenthetical disambiguator; by ignoring what's in parenthesis. You've got it backwards; we first choose the commonname ("Usher" in this case) and then choose a disambiguator in addition to it. Powers ^T 00:28, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Support Per bobrayner. Et3rnal 22:33, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Oppose Usher is more commonly referred to by his mononym, so Usher Raymond wouldn't be very suitable. Though it's obvious that consensus for simply Usher will never be reached. Et3rnal 15:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

The problem here is that reliable sources are not needed for dab purposes since they are simply attached to the common name for Wikipedia purposes. We are not calling him Usher entertainer but calling him Usher and then identifying him as an entertainer to separate him from the other entries called Usher. If the reliable source suggestion was the actual rule we would need to move Barack (brandy), Contra (video game), Magneto (comics), Lost (TV series), Cars (film), and likely thousands of others. For example, I doubt any reliable source discussing the film Cars actually used Cars (film) when discussing it though the fact that it was named cars and was a film would not be in dispute.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 22:03, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Comment - I also proposed just Usher, and I'm still certain that he's the primary topic ahead of an usher. Unreal7 (talk) 17:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Strong oppose just "Usher" of Unreal7's ; the occupation is at the very least, competitive, and therefore the singer is not primary topic. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 00:52, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Come again? A singer who's been around for a fairly short time and many people haven't heard of is more notable than an occupation that's been around for centuries and everybody has heard of? I don't think so. This is a proper, grown-up encyclopaedia, not an almanac of pop culture. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:14, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
    • So in your eyes, 20 years is a "short time"? And it's obvious that more people have heard of the singer versus the occupation. In the last 30 days, as of May 29, Usher's article has been viewed 248,743 compared to the occupation's measly 2236. Et3rnal 11:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
      • In the great scheme of things, it is indeed a very short time. And all the page views mean is that most people know what an usher is and don't need to look it up. They don't in any shape or form mean that more people have heard of the singer. How on earth would you come to that conclusion? -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
        • I came to that conclusion using actual figures, where as you're opposing it with what you think, making my argument actually valid. Though if that's what you believe page views to represent, then so be it, your opinion of course, and I don't want to keep this going. I've changed my views (shown above) in regards to Usher Raymond being a suitable title, so I think we can both agree to that. Though 20 years is still long for a music career, by any stretch of the imagination. Et3rnal 15:29, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
          • Your argument must be valid just because I didn't quote statistics, even though the statistics you quoted are meaningless?! Oh priceless. This just gets funnier and funnier! Please, more, more... -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Ummm... Calm down, I already said I didn't want to go on with this. Though if you want to carry on being childish, then go for it. I'm not going to bother replying. Et3rnal 16:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. Beyoncé is sometimes known as Beyoncé Knowles. Usher isn't known as Usher Raymond. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:11, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes he is. I hear it a lot. 68.44.51.49 (talk) 21:14, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Can you mention where he is often referred to by his full name.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 02:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support - There are 180 artices using his full name, as opposed to single name (thousands of results, depending on whether Google News lets users pass the 10th page of results). (4 million (Usher Raymond) vs. 117 million (Usher)) That still counts as "fairly often" per WP:NCP#Single names. He is credited mostly as "Usher Raymond" by movies and shows, according to IMDb. He has a son, Usher Raymond V. --George Ho (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. A bit similar to Beyonce, however, he does not use his last name as much as she does. If you look at his IMDb, it shows that he has used many different names. Usher Raymond, Usher Raymond IV, Usher, Usher 'Mr. Entertainment'... He's still most commonly known as simply Usher; this differs from Beyonce, as she is commonly known by both names.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 02:34, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
  • I would support a move to Usher (singer), though, as I don't really see the "entertainer" title as fitting for him, as, say, Madonna (entertainer).  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 02:37, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
    • How is "Usher Raymond" an "obscure" name by any means besides less usage? --George Ho (talk) 04:57, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Look at IMDb again: he is commonly credited as "Usher" and "Usher Raymond" in "Self" credits. --George Ho (talk) 05:01, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
      • I wouldn't really go with what IMDb states, as its reliability is in question. Et3rnal 12:07, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
        • In that case, I don't have his albums, so can anyone who has them check the credits for usage of his full name? There is Raymond v. Raymond. --George Ho (talk) 13:18, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
          • All his albums credit him as "Usher Raymond" though under a quote of his in the liner notes for Looking 4 Myself, he is "Usher Raymond IV". Et3rnal 16:41, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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Veganism

Is Usher's veganism really noteworthy enough to include in his bio? It's not like he's the poster boy for a vegan organisation or company (that I know of). Adabow (talk) 01:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 August 2013

On August 5, 2013, Usher's 5-year-old son was hospitalized after a pool accident at the his home. "in the his home" please remove "the" (or "his") 74.126.84.52 (talk) 07:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

 Done. Rivertorch (talk) 08:59, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Requested move (August 2013)

Usher (entertainer) → Usher Raymond – While the singer is not the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the term "Usher", I would think that adding his surname to the title would not only follow WP:NATURAL recommendations, but would continue to phase out the "entertainer" disambiguator. WikiRedactor (talk) 20:33, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NATURAL Adabow (talk) 21:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
• I've previously supported just Usher, but I'm more leaning towards Usher (singer) now. Unreal7 (talk) 22:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
• Oppose. He is commonly known as simply Usher. — Status (talk · contribs) 23:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't contest this (and I don't think WikiRedactor would either), but disambiguating by adding his surname rather than "entertainer" makes more sense, per WP:NATURAL. Adabow (talk) 23:15, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Has anything changed since this request has been rejected in both March and June of this year?--70.49.82.207 (talk) 05:29, 10 August 2013 (UTC)