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August 12

New article with same title as existing article

Hi, I want to write an article on Nicholas Royle a Professor at the University of Sussex and author of a novel, Quilt. He's written 11 books (including co-authoring an influential textbook) and published dozens of articles. He is different than the Nicholas Royle who already has a page on wikipedia (also a university teacher and novelist). I have recently edited the Nicholas Royle page to have the correct birth place and date (as it used to have the birthdate and place of the Nicholas Royle for whom a page is needed). In any case, the Nicholas Royles are very used to getting mistaken for one another-- even the Library of Congress has mixed them up. But it is important their work is kept separate so I would like to create a page for Nicholas Royle but am not sure how to start it if it has the same title as another article and who will take care of making sure the pages are disambiguated. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Florencewhimbrel (talk • contribs) 04:02, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

There are several acceptable solutions, see [1] for some examples. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Total Customer Value Management, Neutrality of the article is disputed

Hi! Dear Sir/ Madam,

I am finding following issues with my “Total Customer Value Management” page on wiki with username Narenderwp

Please let me know where I need to correct to get issues resolved.

The neutrality of this article's introduction is disputed. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved. (July 2013)

This article has multiple issues. Please help improve it or discuss these issues on the talk page. This article may require copy editing for Tone. (July 2012)

This article may be confusing or unclear to readers. (March 2012)

This article may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may only interest a specific audience. (March 2012)

URL of the Article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Customer_Value_Management

Regard, Narender Kumar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narenderwp (talk • contribs) 04:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Dear Narenderwp: Of all of the things that are listed as problems with the article, the most serious is that the references do not establish that this is a notable concept. The article should have references to several articles written by journalists or other authors not connected with Gautam Mahajan to show that the concept is well known. The references provided are an article that is about Mr. Mahajan but not about the topic, a document written by Mr. Mahajan, and an article that doesn't say on the web page who wrote it. If this is not addressed, the article could be deleted at any time. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Common diseases and their treatment

Hello fellow editors! The above article is in Articles for creation space, although it has never been submitted. It seems to me that this isn't and likely could never be an article, and may be dangerous if people see it and decide to take it as medical advice. Is there some policy that covers this? —Anne Delong (talk) 04:41, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm not aware of a policy that specifically deals with this. There is WP:Medical, but that is more about giving individualized advice. Regardless of whether there is a policy that demands its immediate deletion, I've nominated it for deletion at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Common diseases and their treatment as I agree it should not be sitting around with unsourced medical information. Monty₈₄₅ 04:51, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. —Anne Delong (talk) 05:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

This box thing

On my userpage, I have added a template of some of the articles I have created. But the template is arranged horizontally, and I want it to display vertically, as it does on User:Ombudsman, where I copied and pasted the template from. Can someone tell me how to get it to do that? Jinkinson (talk) 14:28, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If you go back to the table you copied from, you'll see that there is a

|-

to give a new row in a table. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah thanks, but it turns out while you were posting that I figured it out by myself. Thanks anyway Jinkinson (talk) 14:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Glad you fathomed it out. I think you're still missing them for the first rows after your sub-headings. You seem to have extra column separators instead of row separators. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:50, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

--24.165.125.224 (talk) 14:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC) Bold text

Renaming URL in reference section when sourcing it

If you was to use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk for a source how would you make it be in the 'Reference' section not as http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk but just as "Help Desk" but when you click it then it will take you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk, thank you.--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 16:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Like this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk| Help desk] (shows up as Help desk). Why would you want to use the Help desk as a source? Or was that just an example? Howicus (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia "articles" should not be used as references per WP:CIRCULAR. That said, in general you'd format it thusly: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_desk Help Desk] would display "Help Desk". Though since it is an internal link you could instead just use [[Help_desk|Help Desk]] to achieve the same effect. Ideally you should use a space instead of the underscore as well. More info is available at Help:Link. DonIago (talk) 16:32, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I was just using that as an example, sorry for the confusion. To make it more clear I went onto Google and typed in 'news' and the first link is http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 so if I wanted to make that "Erika Kacicova" in the reference box how do you do it and is there a bit of information on this, I'm not sure what it is called as its not shortening a URL, can you help me please thanks.--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 17:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I would use the full article title, so [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive'] → Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive' --Redrose64 (talk) 18:29, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

If you use Template:Cite web, there are fields for url, title, publication date, access date, etc. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:38, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Indeed. There's also automated tools such as this one that can take a URL and generate the appropriate code automagically. DonIago (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

See more at Help:Link. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:53, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm getting a tad little bit confused now because on the Cite web page it is telling me to do a lot of {{ instead of just, which is the best way to do it? I am confused between Template:Cite web, Citing_sources#Links and ID numbers, and Embedded citations - is it not just easier to put the ref bits and in the middle you put [ then the link and then a space then whatever you want it to go as then ]--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

The marks like are created by <ref></ref>. Between the <ref> and the </ref> you put the information about the reference. In its simplest form, this would be the bare URL

<ref>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640</ref>

but clearly you want to give that a meaningful title. The next simplest method is to use the square brackets that I mentioned earlier

<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive']</ref>

The techniques advised by others - using {{cite web}} or similar - add more flexibility but at the expense of being more difficult to understand. In this case you would use

<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-23662640 |title=Missing Erika Kacicova 'believed to be alive'}}</ref>

Use whichever one you feel most comfortable with. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Unable to edit title

Hi,

I am unable to edit the title of the page. Could you please edit the title? The title should be Vundavalli Arun Kumar.

URL -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vundavalli_Aruna_Kumar

17:00, 12 August 2013 (UTC)~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kartheekchem (talk • contribs)

Can you provide a source to verify the spelling? It has been spelled the same way for years, and is spelled that way on other wikipedia pages as well. I checked all the links on the article page, and could not find a spelling either way. Monty₈₄₅ 17:13, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussion separated from its article

Dear editors: This article: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray is really material that relates to the article David Kaonohiokala Bray which used to be on this page but was cut and pasted into mainspace. Should this discussion be moved to the article's talk page, and, if so, how would that be done? —Anne Delong (talk) 17:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't cut and pasted, it was moved from Wikipedia:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray, & the history shows that, and thus traces back to those talk page comments. The original draft article should, of course, have been at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray instead of at Wikipedia:Articles for creation/David Kaonohiokala Bray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David Biddulph (talk • contribs) 18:05, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's not a current Afc submission, so what should be done with it? Items in Afc which haven't been edited in 6 months are being deleted. —Anne Delong (talk) 04:17, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.102.196 (talk) 19:17, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:27, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

war office

i need email address of naval secretary to gain my father srvice records — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.106.108 (talk) 19:35, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. CTF83! 19:59, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Since the IP resolves to the UK, [2] may be of help. Dru of Id (talk) 20:24, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

donate

I saw a donation option on one page, and now I can't find it. I want to donate. How do I find it again? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.1.72.4 (talk) 20:10, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

On the left side of the page, under the globe, there is a link to "Donate to Wikipedia". RudolfRed (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello! Try this web site. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Copyright question

Dear editors: The awards section of this article: Delhi in a Day is taken directly from this web site: [[3]]. Each line has an attribution. Since this is a list of the awards, in order, it's hard to say how much different it could be made. Is this a copyright violation? If so, perhaps the list should be removed, and just a sentence saying that the film has won multiple awards with a reference to the web site would be more appropriate. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:40, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Facts can't be copyrighted. However, it totally fails to qualify as a WP:RELIABLESOURCE. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:58, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

References in french only

Dear Wikipedia,

What if most of my reliable secondary sources are all in French? Please help, I am trying to create an article on artist Diana Lui in English Wikipedia who already exists in the French Wikipédia.

Thanks for your advice,

itcheemonkeeItcheemonkee (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources don't have to be in English. See WP:NONENG. Jc3s5h (talk) 22:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

There are more than enough people who can read French and verify your sources here, so don't worry about it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

wrong mayor on this page...

Hello, concerning this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelbach,_Haut-Rhin

The mayor of Michelbach is Gilbert Steiner (not André Centlivre).

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.246.62.1 (talk) 22:43, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have updated it [4] but you could have done it yourself by clicking the "Edit source" tab. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:04, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

August 13

Want to upload a picture to add to page. Standard account Can you upload for me?

Want to upload a picture to add to page. Standard account Can you upload for me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbaechtel (talk • contribs) 00:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Any assistance available? Dbaechtel (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)Dbaechtel

Only confirmed users can upload files. You will be a confirmed user after you've had your account for four days and made at least 10 edits. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for more on this. Once you're confirmed, you can go to WP:UPLOAD to upload the file. For more help with images in general, see WP:IMAGES. Dismas|^(talk) 02:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Can't change title!

Hi,

I created a page here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Riqiv23

but the TITLE is "User:Riqiv23"

I didn't realize "saving" the page in my personal sandbox would make it appear online!

It appears I don't have enough "edits" to move the page myself.

From: "User:Riqiv23" > "Richie Vitale"

Can I somehow change the TITLE to: Richie Vitale

That is preferred . . . otherwise if should be deleted.

Thank you! Riqiv23 (talk) 00:50, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

IMDB is not a reliable source. Your article is not ready to be moved to the main article space. It could be moved to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Richie Vitale, where you can work on it more and then submit it for review. Howicus (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

---

OK, I'll work on it, thank you! Riqiv23 (talk) 02:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Citations and Verification disclaimer

Hi!

I'm new to Wikipedia so please forgive me if this question has already posted:

On my biography page there's a disclaimer from 2010 that reads as follows:

! This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful. (March 2010)

Very recently I added numerous citations for verification -- one for each statement of fact -- so can the disclaimer now be removed? If so it would be much appreciated. Here is the link to the page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hornaday

Thank you in advance for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdh3777 (talk • contribs) 01:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

This question has been answered at the Teahouse. Please don't post the same question in several places. RudolfRed (talk) 05:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

WP:DENY

Wikipedia's responsibility to society Whenever a serial killer is arrested , media gives huge coverage to the killer than doctors who treat poor patients for red cross. Whenever a shooter massacres innocent people in USA,he gets more coverage than Nobel prize winning scientists. Wikipedia is popular website. Killing innocent people is nothing great , only because media turns killers,rapists and 1940's mafia into cult figure , there is no need to keep pages dedicated to bad guys. The victims are forgotten and movies are made on the life of serial killers.Why should media decide who should get more coverage.Nobel prize winner for medicine or Monica Lewinsky who had no contribution to humanity. Those who own Wikipedia should honour great people like google doodle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TECHWIZARDEYT (talk • contribs) 03:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC) They say the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Once we start supplanting the judgement of reliable sources about whats important with our own, where do we stop? What other things will we not cover because they are bad, or we disagree with them? How could anyone take our articles seriously if, as a matter of policy, we said we are only going to cover things we want to encourage? Monty845 04:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Spell Check

Spell check is not working when I type text using wiki mark-up or Visual Editor. It works on any other website/software application on my computer but not Wikipedia. I am using Windows Vista. Does anyone know what the problem is and how to fix it?--Dom497 (talk) 03:40, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

My article deleted from wikipedia

Yesterday i posted article of Biomed Dispose It and it is deleted from wikipedia may i know why and i took permission from biomed for this article and they allow me to write and take content from there website if i want. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paldeep (talk • contribs) 06:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Did you go through the process for donating copyrighted materials? There are a number of other useful links in the warnings on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:10, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the deletion criteria for Biomed Dispose It, I see that it was deleted not only for the copyright violation but also for being written in a promotional manner. If you copy material from a subject's own website, it is quite likely that it will be written in a manner which is too promotional for Wikipedia, so (independently of the copyright problem) it is better to write in your own words. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Paldeep. Please read WP:Your first article. Wikipedia contains neutral articles about notable subjects. The txt of somebody's own website is almost never appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 10:13, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Mobile page format

Will mobile logged in users be provided links on the sidebar menu to their User and User talk pages and to Notifications.
SBaker43 (talk) 07:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Sources

We created this Wiki for DJ Martin Garrix http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Garrix We added a lot of reliable sources in it, but still get the note about 'adding sources'. How many sources do we need to use to get rid of this note? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaNanny020 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 13 August 2013 (UTC) — MediaNanny020 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Who is "we"? (And you didn't create this Wiki, Larry Sanger and Jimbo Wales created this Wiki; what you created was an article in this, the English-language Wikipedia, which is a well-known wiki.) --Orange Mike | Talk 12:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

You still get the warning (or rather, the article still shows the warning) because nobody has removed it. If you are confident that you have addressed the problem, you may remove the warning. (From a quick look, I think you have addressed the problem. Many of the sources you have added are not substantial enough to contribute to notability, but they are fine for supporting the particular details about awards; but I think there are enough substantial sources to remove the warning. But to echo OrangeMike's question: your use of 'we' and your username suggests that you might be several people sharing an account (which is forbidden - see WP:ROLE) and/or have a conflict of interest.--ColinFine (talk) 13:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you ColinFine! Helped me out a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MediaNanny020 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC) — MediaNanny020 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

"The Media Nanny is a full service media &pr agency specialized in providing extensive and advanced publicity, digital & print marketing and promotion for individual music artists, events, record labels and all other companies inside the music industry." --Orange Mike | Talk 17:29, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Importing a script to my */.js or */.css or whatevs

Hello all. I'm trying to import a script to my profile thingumy whatsit and I'm demmed if I can work out how to do it. It's from User:Ale jrb/Scripts, the "CSDH (CSD Helper)". There are instructions but I'm a bit lost following them. Your help greatly appreciated. Pete aka "What the? This guy is supposedly a sysop and he doesn't even know how to import simple scripts?" aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:44, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Add the code

importScript('User:Ale_jrb/Scripts/csdhelper.js');  //User:Ale_jrb/Scripts

to Special:MyPage/common.js to load it in all skins. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Rule Broadcast Systems

Rule Broadcast Systems (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

The company is just "Rule Boston Camera". Rule Broadcast Systems is extremely outdated. Can this be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.79.175.81 (talk) 14:24, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, I can see no reason why the company (regardless of how it is named) should meet Wikipedia:Notability (organizations) criteria, and on that basis, the article should probably be deleted. I will however look into this further. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:36, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I've moved the article to the new title. A quick search shows little to indicate that the subject meets our notability criteria though - if this can't be shown, the article will have to go. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:02, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Determining first version equal to the current version.

If there is an article that has had a number of changes and reversions/rollbacks is there an easy way to find the first version which is equal to the given version? I can look back at the history and (fairly) easily see what the first revision was with that *size*, but then I need to check to see if the two are equal. Is there a tool that would do that for me?Naraht (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

If you know of two versions that are the same size, why not just use the radio buttons beside those revisions to directly compare them? Maybe I'm misunderstanding something here. Dismas|^(talk) 16:33, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Two reasons, one, I may have made a mistake as to what was the first one at that size and secondly, to automate the concept. I'd love to have a tool that would enable me to say that for Article Blank, there hasn't been any changes other than changes and reverts for a given amount of time (and the number of cycles if possible). It seems useful in determining whether an article should be semi-protected.Naraht (talk) 16:54, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Ref: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domena_magnetyczna

Hi,

I discovered that the above page referenced one of my inventions, namely my ‘Large Area Domain Viewer’ but I can’t seem to find my reference in the English version. You may wish to add my invention to your English page as it is a very useful device for visualizing larger magnetic domains in Silicon Steels and has become something of an industry standard.

I would point out however that the Polish page has got my name slightly wrong – it refers to me as ‘R.A. Taylor’ when I am in fact R.J. Taylor (reference 17).

Dr Robert J. Taylor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.156.46.186 (talk) 14:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

In regards to your points, firstly there is no guarantee that an article in one language will exactly match another, in this case it apparently doesn't. Since you have a conflict of interest, asking here was a good start. I'd suggest writing a note on Talk:Magnetic domain and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics. In regards to the entry on the Polish page, I think you can change it yourself, but that needs to be in done in the text that contains the reference (not down in where the references are all shown).

Probably the easiest way to make sure that everything for it is shown correctly is if there is a doi for the article, if you have that, there are "bot"s that will look up everything and that should make sure everything is correct including your middle initial.Naraht (talk) 15:13, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Icon next to username

Hi I am seeing a red numeral 1, next to my username on the top of the page, have not seen it in the past, anyone has any idea what this means or signifies ? Injun Gone Loco (talk) 17:01, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Click on it - it's a notification. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Clicking is not leading to anything, nor is it going away, tried all that before posting :-) Injun Gone Loco (talk) 17:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Probably a bug then. I've seen the notification system do odd things sometimes. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Notifications for how it's supposed to work. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Silly Page

The page “John W. Drake” (about me) contains many boring and numerous inaccurate statements, apparently misinformed but not malignant. In any case, a “John W. Drake” page is not needed, I am now retired, and I do not want to replace this entry with one of my own making. How can I delete the entry altogether? 157.98.66.27 (talk) 18:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Your best bet is to go to the talk page of the article and point out the parts that are unsourced or objectionable. For such a short article there is always AfD where you can apply to have the article deleted. It would, however be deleted according to procedure if it is excessively poorly sourced or you lack notability. It would not be deleted on your request because you don't want an article for some reason. Britmax (talk) 18:12, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

It looks like all the sources are self-published (e.g., the website of the group he chaired a committee for) or non-independent primary sources (the famous paper). Dr Drake may not actually qualify for a separate article, if people haven't been writing about him rather than his work. User:KenBailey wrote the initial article and might know more about the possibility for finding independent, secondary sources. WhatamIdoing (talk) 01:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of an article

Yesterday I was watching the New pages feed on Wikipedia, and happened to see one that intrigued me. It was named Alen Ghouliance, and was tagged for speedy deletion as an A7: No explanation of significance. I did not agree with this assessment as the article clearly laid out reasons showing significance, so I contested the deletion nomination by clicking the designated button and explaining why I did not agree with the assessment.

I watched the article for a while and noticed that the tag was changed to: G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion, so I removed all content from the article that would lead someone to conclude that the article was promotional. I also added categories to help guide other editors to similar articles, and again contested the proposed speedy deletion.

This morning I was disheartened to see that the article had vanished. How can I find out why it was deleted despite my efforts?

Thanks in advance, XOttawahitech (talk) 18:31, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Click on the red link that you have provided above, and you should get a pink box headed "A page with this title has previously been deleted." In that will be the deletion log entry, which shows who deleted it, when and why. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Having looked at the deleted article, I don't believe it qualified for G11. It wasn't neutral, but doesn't mean it met the criteria for speedy deletion for promotion (especially after your editing, Ottawa). I'm not entirely convinced by the A7 rationale either; their was a credible claim of notability, where the article stated that the subject "has received many awards for his contributions to Los Angeles County's legal services". Obviously, without knowing what awards and without reliable sources, this wouldn't stand up at AfD. However, that's not what the CSD covers; the claim (however unverified) is all that is sufficient. I'd suggest you contact User:Anthony Bradbury, the administrator who deleted the article. matt (talk) 20:49, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Yamaguchi arson and murders

Why can't Kozei Homi be named in the article as the prime suspect? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Japanesehelper (talk • contribs) 18:55, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

You would be better off at the talk page of the article. The main reason is usually lack of reliable sources, or BLP concerns. Britmax (talk) 19:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Response to racist edits

Although I'm an experienced editor, I have a question about response to vandalism. An IP editor made an antisemitic edit to Thermonuclear weapon, implying that thermonuclear weapons were a Jewish plot (the intent is clear from the edit comment). I reverted it. I'd like to put a warning template on his Talk page so if he continues his bigoted edits he can be blocked, but I'm not quite sure what template I should use. Vandalism doesn't seem specific enough; his intent was not to vandalize per se. In fact his statement was even literally true, it was just the implication that was racist. Defamation doesn't seem to apply, because the subjects of his attack are dead. What should I put on his talk page? --Chetvorno^TALK 19:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

More generally, I'm not clear on how WP regards racist theories and hate speech in articles. There doesn't seem to be any explicit prohibition against these things, so I guess if they don't libel or defame living persons and are sourced, they could be included in WP articles as fringe theories? --Chetvorno^TALK 19:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

That implication is a little too mild to be called "hate speech", in my eyes, but not exactly appropriate. I'd recommend just letting him know how you feel on his talk page, without a tag. Might be enough. If he continues, you might go with the disruptive editing one. But, like you say, the statement is true, so I don't know. Maybe compromise and word the info into the article in a more neutral way. But if he insists on the implication, seems disruptive. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:14, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Actually, looking it over, I can't see how it would be included in this context without being undue weight and POV. We have warnings for those, under "Adding promotions of objects or ideologies (also spam)", if you'd like. InedibleHulk (talk) 19:18, August 13, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I took your wise advice and just left him a note explaining why his edit was inappropriate. Hopefully it will get through. Thanks again. Cheers, Chetvorno^TALK 20:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

How to show which page is which when using a footnote more than once?

For example on the page Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda in the References section:

^ a b Koonz, Claudia (2003). The Nazi Conscience. Harvard University Press. p. 20. ISBN 978-0-674-01172-4.

How do you know if a or b is on page 20 and is it possible to make say one to be one page and one another so you know which reference is which to say which page?

I'm aware of sfn but there is no option to on this as there is no Notes and References separation just References.--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 20:18, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't really understand the question...it seems to me that if a and b are both pointing to that citation than both should be on page 20. Otherwise there should be a separate citation for a different page number. Hope this helps. DonIago (talk) 20:27, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

You have a few ways to combat this problem. You can simply add the full citation 2 times by changing the REF TAG name parameter name="Koonz2003a ...This is the format used on the page already. There are other ways but they get more complicated. Not a big deal to list the same ref many times ...not harming anyone.

<ref name="Koonz2003a">{{cite book|author=Claudia Koonz|title=The Nazi Conscience|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jASbCpN1CC8C&pg=PA20|year=2003|publisher=Harvard University Press|isbn=978-0-674-01172-4|page=20}}</ref>

<ref name="Koonz2003b">{{cite book|author=Claudia Koonz|title=The Nazi Conscience|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=jASbCpN1CC8C&pg=PA35|year=2003|publisher=Harvard University Press|isbn=978-0-674-01172-4|page=35}}</ref>

References

You may find the Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books handy on a side note. -- Moxy (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I'd just like to say in terms of the Wikipedia citation tool for Google Books, *squeeeeeeeee*. I am *so* using this.Naraht (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm aware of the Google books tool now and its really good, I thought you were not allowed to use the same source in two separate references, I've not seen this anywhere before. Could another option be just just short reference it and don't put any pages on just the book?--Smashton Pumpkin (talk) 09:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

A simple way of doing this without creating duplicate references is to use the {{Rp}} template, which adds the page number after the footnote number. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 17:27, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Armenian genocide

Armenian Genocide (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Hey,

In the article Armenian genocide, and under the tag Turkish nationalism, words like massacre and genocide were used without proper proof. They are such, such strong words that unless the events can be proven with factual and undeniable proof, I find it harassing. Unless you can give me convincing evidence of the Armenian genocide, I want the page removed, or at least edited in a less Euro-centric way that also takes into account the possibility of no genocide. I have been trying to write for that part, and all of my attempts were removed during editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.27.125.164 (talk) 20:41, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

The systematic mass murder of Armenians carried out by the Ottoman Empire is a well-documented historical fact. If you find reality 'harassing', tough. That is your problem, not ours. Wikipedia does not distort historical fact to pander to the sensitivities of Turkish nationalism, or indeed to any other. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey Andy,

I'd like to see those "good documents" from some other media perhaps, as this is not the place. All in all, I'd like the right to write about the possibility of no genocide with proper references under the title Armenian Genocide. If Wikipedia is the sort of online volunteer-based encyclopedia that welcomes all sorts of information without bias, so should my hypothesis be included. I won't be leaving this very easily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.27.125.164 (talk) 21:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

(note - I have moved this to the relevant section - please reply by clicking on 'edit' in the section header, rather than starting a new section) AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:09, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Our article cites the necessary sources. Articles are based on appropriate published material (in this case, largely academic scholarship), and not on 'hypotheses' of contributors. Publishing the historical facts regarding the matter is not 'bias'. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:14, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, IP editor, please also note the guidance at WP:FRINGE Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

created a new page directly from the person I wrote it about, how do I show proof

I just created the wikipedia page for Oncue, a well known rapper from the northeast. Everything I wrote was in a letter from the head of his management team. I basically emailed his team volunteering to make his wikipedia page cause I saw that he didn't have one, and they were like ya here is what you can write down. So the information I wrote about him is basically directly from him. This is the most reliable information I could possibly have, but the site is still at risk of deletion because there is no way to adequately have a proper citation for this, or is there? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.59.47.32 (talk) 21:00, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles need to cite published reliable sources. So no, you can't use such material. If the rapper is sufficiently notable, such material will already exist - and if it doesn't exist, he doesn't meet our notability criteria. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:06, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Sun Plus

Evening! Here in the UK, some news websites have recently been putting up pay-walls to block free access to their content. The newest paper to join this The Sun, which has affected a large number of sources here. As I couldn't think of a more suitable place for this discussion, I thought I'd bring the discussion here for now. My first question is whether or not a location currently exists that lists Wikipedians who have access to pay-walled news sites to allow for source verification? For instance, if a user adds a Sun page as a source (still allowed according to WP:PAYWALL), do we have a directory of other editors who could verify this? If not, would setting such a WikiProject/directory up for this sort of thing a viable plan? I'm more than willing to help out with any legwork this may cause, and please do inform me if there's a more appropriate location for, or an ongoing discussion about, this subject. Thanks!  drewmunn  talk  21:19, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

As WP:PAYWALL states, the best place to ask for help accessing paywalled material is Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Frankly though, there are relatively few circumstances where a tabloid source like The Sun should be cited anyway. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:28, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

The Sun is an excellent source for.... soccer scores. HiLo48 (talk) 03:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I literally can't see why I didn't notice that, I read the whole page… Anyway, thanks! As far as the validity of The Sun as a reference, I too try and steer clear of it. It's only because I blundered across an article including a reference to it already, and the status got me thinking. There are a few more reliable sources that are pay-walled now, such as The Times, and The Sun acted as more of a catalyst for thought that a genuine article of concern for me.  drewmunn  talk  09:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Rect and Poly

I'm not exactly sure how to work those two commands listed above as part of a picture. Any help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.145.131.23 (talk) 22:04, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

I guess you refer to image maps. See mw:Extension:ImageMap. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Page was deleted

Hi,

I had edited sources for Greg Ammon's Wikipedia page. It seems that it has been deleted though. Someone made a comment about his notability, and I brought up that the source I posted(being on the board for the Donaldon Adoption Institute) validated Mr Ammon's notability. Could you please advise on how I might create Mr Ammon's page in the future so that it is not deleted?

Thanks,

M — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ms348911 (talk • contribs) 23:34, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Ammon (2nd nomination), and previously at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greg Ammon. The conclusions were that the subject is not sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:42, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

August 14

Landing gear problems

united airlines bozeman mt landing gear would not lower 8/5/2013 for 35 minutes,they weren't sure landing gear was locked so passengers had to be in crash position for landing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.56.33 (talk) 01:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Is there an article about this aviation incident? If so, discuss at the article talk page. If not, was the incident notable enough for an article? Robert McClenon (talk) 02:52, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:AIRCRASH there would only be an article if the plane actually crashed. Technical problems are a daily routine ocurrence for airliners and of no lasting significance or notability unless the incident results in a change in the law/regulations or the aircraft's design or manufacturing process. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:53, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Ref tag question

What is the tag to use when a cited reference does not support or even contain the content it supposedly sources? I believe I've seen it before but can't recall what it is. OccamzRazor (talk) 05:10, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Probably {{Failed verification}} or {{irrelevant citation}}. RudolfRed (talk) 05:16, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Perfect! Thank you for your quick response. OccamzRazor (talk) 05:39, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Deleted article - Sadat Institute of Higher Education

Hi Everyone, I am the Publishing Manager of Sadat Institute of Higher Education. I wanted to create a page describing my university, when I created it was nominated for speedy deletion, they said I violated the rules, however I am the owner of the website which I copied text from it is www.sadat.edu.af now what to do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayedAzeemSadat (talk • contribs) 08:17, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Question title added. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 09:28, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you copied text from a copyright website, then Wikipedia will regard that text as a copyright violation unless the copyright owner explicitly licences it according to the procedure in WP:Donating copyright materials. If you own the copyright, then it is open to you to donate the text in that way, and that will clear the copyright problem. However, text from a subject's own website is usually not appropriate for a Wikipedia article, because text from the website is usually too promotional in tone. It is right and proper for the institution's own website to speak of it in a promotional tone, but Wikipedia requires neutral language.

In fact, if you are employed by the institute, you probably should not edit such an article at all, as you have a conflict of interest. Your best course is to find the multiple reliable sources, independent of the subject (such as newspapers or books) which discuss the institution in some depth, and request and article at requested articles. --ColinFine (talk) 10:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Miles (Director) page

I have been a fan of the director Christopher Miles work for some time and even wrote a paper on him for a college course. I found his page, which had warnings across the top about not being enough citations to verify sources of information. I have been through it in some detail and added citations where I know them to apply. Have I done enough for this warning to be removed or do I need to do more? Or perhaps this is an automated process which just happens when Wikipedia notices the changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin Energy (talk • contribs) 09:07, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Merlin. Looking through the article, it appears that you have done an excellent job! The article certainly doesn't need the tag anymore (which, by the way, is manually placed there by editors). I'll go back through with a fine-tooth comb and tag any more wrinkles with a {{citation needed}} tag, but you've definitely done well. Thanks for your hard work! Deadbeef 09:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the feedback too Deadbeef. Now feeling inspired to look at others :) Merlin Energy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Merlin Energy (talk • contribs) 09:18, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have just been going through the Wikipedia layout guidelines to see if I can get that warning removed too and it appears to comply as far as I can make out with the possible exception of not having a picture in the box on the top right with his birth date etc. Do you have any suggestions or comments? Merlin Energy (talk) 09:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

It appears that this has been resolved. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Adding "Authority control"

Dear Wikipedia Help Desk Team Editors:

An inquiry addressed to Wikipedia Information Team concerning "Authority control" responded with a referral to your department.

The EN, DE, ES Wikipedia articles about José Bernal require "Authority control" to provide easy access to readers doing research on this Cuban-American artist, 1925-2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Bernal, because there is a very large number of people named Jose Bernal, at least one Mexican artist and many other artists whose names include the name "Bernal."

The art of Cuban-American José Bernal, whose Wikipedia link is noted above, is published in books, articles, catalogs, monographs. Also, it is in 13 art museums, one in Spain and twelve in the U.S.A., and his artworks continue to be incorporated in art museum collections and museum exhibitions. Therefore it would be a significant and helpful addition to his EN, DE, ES articles to have "Authority control." Unfortunately, attempts to follow the guidelines in Wikipedia's "Authority control" link haven't been successful, even with assistance from Wikipedia volunteers and staff of the Smithsonian Institution. For this reason I seek assistance from the expertise of your Help Desk Team, as it was suggested by the Information Team. With appreciation for your consideration of this request, Ulla1540 (talk) 15:14, 14 August 2013 (UTC)Ulla1540

This must be about Wikipedia:Authority control. I, for one, had never heard of Authority control. I wish you luck in finding someone who understands it. Maproom (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have at times added {{Authority control}} to articles; it's quite straightforward, just a matter of searching the various databases and copying the identifiers into the template. But I have had no luck finding José Antonio Severino Bernal Muñoz in LoC, VIAF, ISNI or OGND. There are of course a lot of José Bernals, but I couldn't find one whose dates matched. He may just not be sufficiently well-known. Sorry about that, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Humanities

I want to know about humanities. if u give me a paragraph then it will be easy for me to understand — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.247.181.70 (talk) 15:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you have questions to ask, try Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities. If you want to read about the topic, it is at (not surprisingly) Humanities. - David Biddulph (talk) 15:48, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

tabs help

Hi,

I am trying to figure out how to make/ configure/ or use a template to create tabs on my project page that look like these tabs: Wikipedia: GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration. I have not been able to find any templates or sources that help me do this. I want to give the tabs my own titles and have them appear blank when I first get them so I can fill them in.

Please help me figure out how to create tabs, or link me to a good template for tabs. Thanks!!!!!!! OR drohowa (talk) 15:57, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

The tabs on Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration are implemented through Wikipedia:GLAM/National Archives and Records Administration/Tab header. You can use a similar format and modify it to suit your requirements. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

template on my article says i dont have reliable sources

Please review my article Hanwant Mal Lodha, the template says that I do not have reliable sources or references on my article, there are no references available on the internet but the information is available on the subject's blogs which wikipedia wont allow me to add in references, other information are from the law journals, which we have referred from, and i have written in the references section. If you think they are suitable then please remove the template. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.99.194.189 (talk) 16:26, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I have moved your message to the foot of the page, as that is where new messages are found. - David Biddulph (talk) 16:31, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Blogs are almost never reliable sources, and the subject's own publications are not independent, and so are not regarded as adequate either for notability or for supporting content other than uncontroversial factual information. References are required to be inline to identify the information that they are supporting (see WP:Referencing for beginners). Finally, the "reported cases" that you have adduced almost certainly say nothing about the subject except that he represented certain parties. In order to have a Wikipedia article about a subject, there must be multiple reliable secondary sources, independent of the subject, which have written at length about the subject; so in this case it would require articles in books or journals written about Hanwant Mal Lodha. These do not have to be online, or in English, but they have to exist and be referenced in the article, otherwise the article fails to establish that the subject is notable (in Wikipedia's special sense) and the article will be deleted. --ColinFine (talk) 17:44, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

Demande de publication

Collapse French text

Réflexion sur la « rupture avec le passé : Kemit » (Olugasa Ombeni, 2013) La méconnaissance historique étant une rupture d’un peuple avec son passé. C’est mourir pour mieux renaître. La renaissance tant caressée par les peuples africains d’Afrique et du Monde Noir, la conscience historique est un retour permanent permettant de faire renaitre le passé fascinant et glorieux. Comme toute entreprise humaine ou tout défi d’un peuple, la connaissance historique permet de surmonter les difficultés et retrouver en soi une connaissance du passé solide et outillée, une vigueur et une résistance Pharaonique (grandiose) Noir de qui nous descendions. C’est une nouvelle étape de maturité pour un peuple qui fut pendant longtemps traumatisé et renié (relégué dans le processus de reconstruction du monde) dans tous domaines de la vie humaine, qui passe par le fait de réinvestir ce que l’on avait oublié en lui et négligé en soi parce que d’autres (les détracteurs) l’ont voulu le faire croire qu’il était inférieur et incapable de se prendre en main dans toutes possibilités intellectuelles en vue de découvrir, de réapprendre, de rétablir, de comprendre, de réécrire et de retransmettre en lui seul son passé séculaire. Au travers les mauvaises expériences vécues avec l’autre, en l’occurrence de l’occident, sa politique d’assimilation et paternaliste, sa religion sauvage et détestable, son économie gourmande de dominante au détriment des autres et son modèle sociologique discriminatoire et raciste, la souffrance, la misère, la pauvreté, la guerre, la violence, le viol, la drogue et la cigarette blanches, la prostitution et la pornographie roses, l’assassinat par assassinats, le transfert des maladies (vaccins), l’approvisionnement des armes à feu, la démocratie commercialisée, le système immobilier comme monnaie courante de contrôle d’espaces et d’exploitation, le terrorisme moyen de justifier sa démocratie, les prises d’otages complotés et bien d’autres moyens conceptuels et internationaux de domination et de destruction, nous apprenons, nous désapprenons, nous réapprenons et nous comprenons ce que l’on attend de la vie, ce que l’on attend de la grande humiliation et réduction humaine (déshumanisation et asservissement) que nous avons connues et que nous connaissons aujourd’hui, en effet, nous faisons face à une haute vitesse technologique internationalisée et génie génétiquement humain et OGM (organisme génétiquement modifié). Rien de plus que nous pourrons souhaiter; le sentiment ou ce retour historique nous permettra de nous mettre en marche vers une rencontre plus authentique, digne, respectueuse et responsable avec nous-mêmes et avec un nouveau partenaire volontaire. Il est rare de rencontrer dans la vie ou dans ce monde sauvage où nous avons été habitués à des humiliations, où le noir est visible dans sa torpeur d’aliénation dans son aliénation confortable, dans son autodénigrement, dans son autodésaffirmation et dans son autodestruction seulement dans les domaines des peuples qui savent rendent justice à part ceux-là qui l’ont humilié et prétendent encore combler son fossé alors qu’ils sont d’abord injustes à son égard parce qu’il a appris à bâtir des ponts pour promouvoir un échange bilatéral des connaissances scientifiques et technologiques. Pas même leur assistance soi-disant alimentaire et pacifique la plus humiliante et hypocrite dont la plupart d’entre nous attendent encore recevoir avec les démarches de dénonciation, de négociation et de réconciliation. Dans ce retour permanent, il est communément dit : « construire peut être difficile et détruire c’est aussi facile » ; il faut une rupture avec l’autre parce qu’il apparait comme la bâtisse que nous voulions démanteler. Alors que nous sommes appelés à nous servir de cet adage universel pour nous désendoctriner ou désaliéner ou désignorer des religions barbares (judaïsme, christianisme et islam) et nous déprogrammer du paradigme universel inventé par nos anciens colons dont précisément nous n’avons pas la maternité ni la moindre vision de voir ce monde du même oeil, alors que pour nous, se déprogrammer du système politico-économique et Onusien-pharmaceutique est une démarche de solidarité ancestrale africaine, kamite, dont également nous n’avons pas été des concepteurs ou architectes ni des applicateurs et éditeurs, d’autres parmi nous, n’arrêtent de se faire prendre étant « possesseurs » de ces savoirs en blanc-rosés dans les idéologies universelles et affirment être satisfaits avec les pincettes des statistiques et propagandes souvent délivrées sous le dictat des organisations dites internationales, en l’occurrence de l’ONU et ses enfants pays occidentaux. Mais cette même organisation, ONU en sigle, a été conçue, élaborée et établie par les anciens négriers, esclavagistes et colonialistes afin de protéger leurs propres intérêts et perpétuer la boucherie humaine, est là comme et, est la voie et la voix des nations et entreprises occidentales pour éteindre ou neutraliser tout processus du génie noir pour son peuple noir et d’ailleurs toutes les injustices et répartitions inégales de nos richesses dont nous sommes séculairement victimes trouvent leur sens dans les organisations dites internationales. En outre, nous reconnaissons tous ensemble si quelqu’un s'éloigne de toi et bien laisse-le aller et s’il est fort que toi, fais la sourde méfiance et il comprendra en quoi tu as été toujours important pour lui et il existe grâce à toi. Ton destin n’est jamais lié à lui seul, cela signifie simplement que sa part dans ton histoire de vie est terminée et reste comme une oubliette ou historiette. Responsabilisons-nous chers compatriotes kamites, le Dieu de nos ancêtres et de nous-mêmes, qui a fait que la noirceur nous couvre, nous témoigne et nous résiste, sait que pour certains peuples esclavagistes, colonisateurs, impérialistes, religieux, instigateurs de l’apartheid, du génocide au Rwanda et de carnages dans le Congo, des assassinats par assassinat c’est vraiment un stade de soulagement mais pour d’autres parmi nous ce serait trop difficile. Mais nous ne devons pas construire notre destin sur le paradigme de la vie des autres peuples. La construction de nos rêves dépend de nous-mêmes et nous devons la vivre pour nous-mêmes ainsi que nous serons plus en mesure de la vivre avec les autres et la partager. Responsabilisons-nous et nous serons capables de responsabiliser des générations futures. Nos détracteurs et falsificateurs de notre histoire comptent beaucoup sur nos filles et fils parce que pour eux, ceux-ci se baigneront dans la matrice de la domination, de l’endoctrinement et de l’aliénation confortable, de l’autodénigrement, de l’autodésaffirmation et de l’autodestruction dont ils sont les vrais instigateurs. En guise de conclusion, la renaissance africaine à voir avec mes quelques démarches que j’ai entreprises et pensées que j’ai construites dans les rapports et apports de compréhension du sens ultime de la conscience historique dont il est maintenant convenu d’attribuer la paternité à l’historien le plus éminent et influent, Cheihk Anta Diop, est devenu assez logiquement le signifiant d’un horizon savant le plus désirable pour tous les Savants Noirs, Kamites. C’est à point précis que mon rêve vient de se canaliser : « adaptons doucement certaines pratiques historiques, culturelles et spirituelles-religieuses et apprenons ensemble qu’en respect, rien n’est inutile si nous choisissons ensemble nos limites et bien tout est possible. Une vieille histoire vivace (Afrique) doit se préparer dès le début de l’histoire, ce qui est notre repère du passé, une vigilance permanente sur ce passé et surprises abondantes est les prémices d’une histoire moderne, organique, stable et harmonique entre peuples de l’histoire avec l’autre. Plus encore que la compréhension historique substitutive administrée aux anciens avec rigueur et dialogue, le sentiment et la conscience historiques sagement et savamment discutés et entretenus stimulent et entretiennent la coopération jusqu’aux exploits. Chaque histoire dans sa naissance et son évolution de son apogée doit dans sa mesure et limite retransmettre les us et coutumes et les outils de celle-ci. Olugasa, c'est un nom que j'ai inventé qui désigne Ombeni, Lumumba, Garvey et Sankara: Demande de l'ouverture de la justice

(email address removed Rojomoke (talk) 21:43, 14 August 2013 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.210.84.207 (talk) 19:05, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

This is the English Wikipedia; you may be looking for fr:? - ????

fr:WP:Guilde des Guides -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

temporarily shut down page

How can I temporarily take down a wiki page that I published too soon? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.5.254.13 (talk) 19:13, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

If you're the only contributor, you can just redirect the page to another relevant page (for example, redirecting a page about an album to the album's artist) or if you want it actually deleted you can put {{Db-g7}} at the top and an administrator will delete it shortly. Scarce2 (talk) 19:45, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

You could also, assuming that you have an account and Move rights, move it to a sandbox under your username and then have the redirect deleted. Dismas|^(talk) 21:02, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

ClueBot edit didn't stick

A few weeks ago ClueBot reverted vandalism at Chrome steel. However, the content is still visible on the page, though it's missing from the source when you go to edit. What could be causing this, and how could it be fixed? I tried purging. --BDD (talk) 19:58, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I just did a purge and it seems to have gone now, although I have no idea why that didn't work when you tried it. January (talk) 20:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

August 15

How to create a square of 4 images

Hi, I'm wondering how I would go about putting together 4 images into a square shape. I know how to put them all in a horizontal line, but I'd like it to be 2 on top, then 2 on the bottom. All I should need is the template. Thanks! Delaywaves • talk 00:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Something like this, perhaps?

Hope that helps, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:10, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

You can make your own table like above. {{Image array}} or {{Photomontage}} are also possible, depending on the formatting you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

That photo montage looks perfect! I have two questions. First, do you know if I could somehow put the caption more "inside" the box?

Example caption

I inserted the montage that I'm planning, and as you can see, the caption is sort of off to the side, as opposed to inside the box like a normal thumbnail photo. Secondly, do you know how to align the photo on the right side of the page? Delaywaves • talk 01:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Example caption

I think it's mainly intended for infoboxes. If that's not how you want to use it then the source shows some undocumented parameters. Here I used | text = Example caption | position = right. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Works perfectly! Thank you very much. Delaywaves • talk 15:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Imperial Sugar Company

The Imperial Sugar Company history of Spreckels Sugar Company link at the bottom of the Spreckels Sugar Company article takes me to the Ruth Lake Country Club. Looks bad to me unless I am missing something. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jmstarry (talk • contribs) 02:17, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I removed the link. RudolfRed (talk) 04:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Convert weights to stone?

How common is it for people to report their weight in stones? Is this something that we should be adding to infoboxes for people's weight? If so, what if they are American or of some other nationality that doesn't use stones on a regular basis? I realize that we used both feet and meters or pounds and kilos but since stones are so limited in their acceptance/use. Dismas|^(talk) 03:46, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

There are only three countries in the world which haven't officially metricated, the USA, Libya and Burma. As you say, the US doesn't use stones. Libya and Burma are not primarily English speaking countries. I see no place for conversions to stones. HiLo48 (talk) 03:58, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

There is a difference between being "officially metricated" and the old units being out of use. Many British people still describe their weight in stones, though I don't know what statistics are available on the proportion who do so. As is mentioned in the article on stones, the unit is still used in Britain to describe the weight of such sportsmen as boxers and jockeys, and it is similarly used for oarsmen at Henley Royal Regatta. Whether it should be used in an infobox probably depends on the context. - David Biddulph (talk) 04:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

In my experience British people measure their weight either in Kg or in stones and pounds, never just in pounds. So I would say that this is an example of WP:ENGVAR: if there is reason to give the weight of a British person (which there hardly ever will be, apart from certain sports) it should be in Kg and stones/pounds. -- ColinFine (talk) 10:05, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

An annoyance (to British ears) of the film Bridget Jones's Diary was the way she reported her weight in pounds only, rather than stones and pounds (as I believe she did in the original book). AndrewWTaylor (talk) 10:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Book article titles

I want to create an article about a book. How do you make the article title appear in italic like The Selfish Gene?--I am One of Many (talk) 06:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I believe I see the answer. If the first words of the article are in italic, the article title appears in italic.--I am One of Many (talk) 06:28, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

No, if I have a book info box, then the title is italic.--I am One of Many (talk) 06:34, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox book, yup. I answered my own question.--I am One of Many (talk) 06:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Well done! The book infobox, along with other infoboxes such as film, does cause the title to be displayed in italics.  drewmunn  talk  07:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Many similar user names

While correcting some cut and paste moves, I came across this article: Guy Huygens. Checking the editing history, I found that it had been editing be various editors whose names began with the word Frank. It looks like someone was creating a new user name for each edit. Is this a problem, and if so, should anything be done about it? —Anne Delong (talk) 06:43, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Multiple accounts are perfectly acceptable if they are correctly used. Many Wikimedia employees have multiple accounts to differentiate work edits from hobby contributions. Similarly, you may choose to have one account that focusses on a specific area, and another on a different area. However, it is usually good form to note that you have another active account on each of the user accounts' home page. See WP:SOCK#LEGIT for information on this. However, if the multiple accounts are used to evade sanctions or guidelines, as seems to be the case here (after a cursory glance through), then it is simple sock-puppetry. For information on how to handle a possible case of sock-puppetting read the guidelines on the topic. There are range of tools and methods that may help you, and a range of more knowledgable sock-puppet investigators to help if you want assistance. Finally, apply the duck test: "If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck". In this case, if they look like a sock-puppet, they probably are!  drewmunn  talk  07:13, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Biographical article by spouse?

I think my husband is notable enough to merit a biographical article on Wikipedia. Can a spouse start a biographical article on someone? If not, can I nominate my husband for consideration? Thanks. --Madeleine852 (talk) 07:47, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for asking rather than just going ahead and doing it. The guideline is WP:Conflict of interest. It's probably better for you not to do it, but to put in a request at WP:Requested articles; but if you do some of the legwork by finding the multiple substantial references in independent reliable sources vthat are required to establish notability, that may make your request more attractive to a potential editor. --ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Citation template markup format

Hi, I'm a fairly experienced editor but I have a question about citation templates. In the page markup I usually put separate template fields on separate lines to make the markup more readable:

<ref>{{cite book
  | last =
  | first =
  | title =
  . . .
 }}</ref>

rather than <ref>{{cite book | last = | first = | title = . . . }}</ref> I've never noticed any difference in the operation of the template between these two formats. However, a while ago someone said not to do that; he said something about the page couldn't be searched properly if the fields were on separate lines. I can't remember where I read this, and I couldn't find anything in the help pages about it. So I thought I'd check with you experts. Is there anything wrong with breaking the citation template between separate lines? Thank you for your help. --Chetvorno^TALK 08:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

The only possible reason of the top of my head that this could cause an issue would be with the line numbers on revisions, although these rarely make sense anyway. I personally find that placing each parameter of different lines makes it a bit harder to tell where you are in the source, as finding distinct paragraphs can be harder. However, I understand the reasons behind it, and respect them also. If you do find that there is a viable reason for you not to place them across lines, maybe look into the ProveIt tool, which give you a bit of a more intuitive interface to work from with sources.  drewmunn  talk  08:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

When I have come across this style of formatting in a page I have been editing, I have been grateful. It makes it much easier to spot where the main text resumes after the </ref> tag. I shall consider using it myself. Maproom (talk) 13:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's how I feel; a chunk of markup with a lot of "horizontal" format citation templates is almost unreadable. But a lot of editors feel differently, and will actually come along and change the format of my citation templates to the more compact "horizontal" format. However the ProveIt bot that Drewmunn suggested above looks like it might be a big help. I'm going to give it a try. Thank you both for the courteous help! Cheers --Chetvorno^TALK 15:18, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

dis lock

please i am in austria and my senior brother wife in nigeria after removing her honda pilot model 2003 the disc locked and she dont know the pin . — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marclauren (talk • contribs) 09:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

This is for questions relating specifically to Wikipedia. Thanks, DarkToonLink^Heyaah! 09:19, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

As DarkToonLink says, this is a page for questions about using Wikipedia. You might find somebody who can help you at the miscellaneous reference desk , but I think you would probably have better luck consulting a Honda dealer. I was going to say the computer reference desk until I googled to find out what kind of a thing the Honda Pilot is - it was the reference to a disc that confused me --ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Updating company logo with new version? I am stuck!

Dear Wikipedia

I represent the Australian International School in Singapore. We have recently changed the school logo but the Wikipedia page for the school is still showing the old crest, I can't for the life of me work out how to update this - it's important to us that people see the new logo (we've had a few cases recently of outside providers coming in to present to us, and they have lifted the old logo fromt the Wikipedia page assuming it is still current).

You may check our website www.ais.com.sg to verify this information.

If you could update the page with the new logo or give me simple instructions on how I might go about that I would be very grateful.

Kind regards

Claire Ettinger Communications Manager — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ais singapore (talk • contribs) 10:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Claire. First off, you should change you user name. Names that suggest a user represents and is working on behalf of an organisation are not allowed. Secondly, you should read WP:IMAGES and WP:UPLOAD for instructions on how to upload images. Only confirmed users can do so. Your account will be auto-confirmed after four days and ten edits, or you can ask for immediate confirmation. I can't find the link for that ATM but I'm sure someone else will shortly. As I assume the school will want to maintain copyright control of the image, it should be uploaded to en:Wikipedia itself, and not to the Wiki Commons. I hope that helps. Rojomoke (talk) 12:56, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

To enlarge on what Rojomoke said, it should probably be uploaded to Wikipedia because we're guessing the School will not want to licence it, so it will need to be uploaded according to the very restrictive rules for using non-free content. Note that you (and the school) do not have control of the article itself, and indeed you are discouraged from editing it (though updating the logo will be fine). Please see WP:Conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest, Company Article

DISCLOSURE: I am an employee of the United Hospital Fund, and I am seeking to help correct inaccuracies on the article about this company.

The United Hospital Fund (UHF) is a nonprofit health policy research organization in New York City. I am an employee of UHF, and I recently noticed that someone created an article about UHF that contains numerous inaccuracies. I have set up a user account to correct these inaccuracies and suggest more relevant content.

I want to be very careful to follow WP’s COI guidelines. Following the advice on the COI page and other helpdesk/forum discussions on company articles, here are the steps I’ve taken so far:

• Read up on COI policy, WP:BFAQ, and other relevant guidelines.
• Created an identity and user page indicating my employment at UHF.
• On the Talk page of the article on UHF, pointed out the inaccuracies and suggested broad changes.
• Left a related note on the Talk page of the user who created the page and wrote the article. (No response.)
• On a subpage of my user page, drafted an updated article on UHF, following WP’s guidelines on NPOV, notability, sources, etc.
• Disclosed my relation to the subject at every step.

I’d now like to ask for the attention and advice of experienced editors and the community at large. Is it appropriate to ask a neutral editor to review what I’ve put together on the subpage of my user page? Other suggestions on what I should be doing next?

Relevant pages are linked to above; the subpage where I’ve drafted additional language about UHF is here: User:Miles_at_UHF/draft_updates_on_United_Hospital_Fund.

Thanks very much for your help.

Miles at UHF (talk) 14:08, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Um, Wow. If every person who wanted the wikipedia page about their company/organization improved did what you have done, I'd die happy and think Jimbo Wales would be promoted to God. Having said that, there a *few* *minor* comments on the proposed new article.

• I see that you used the old *further reading* as a reference, I know you said the old reference 1 was not useable in the new version of the article, is the old reference 2?
• You may want to look at {{cite doi}} and {{cite pubmed}} for the references out of journals, that way all that needs to be in the article is the doi or pubmed and the information is pulled by a "bot" from databases with that information in it (and it only has to exist in one place even if multiple articles use it.

However *both* issues can be dealt with after the new information has been placed there. You may also want to put a message on User talk:Kipd letting him know since he started the article back in 2010 and contributed the most to it. If no one more experienced has copied this over within a day or so or raised a *significant* objection, I'll move it as soon as I can.Naraht (talk) 18:33, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

I found an incorrect information in your website....

To Whom It May Concern

Firstly, I would like to show my respect for your managing this valuable website. My name is Hyewon Yang. I am a student and a member of the Voluntary Agency Network of Korea (VANK) in Korea. VANK is a non-government, volunteer organization, composed of students ranging from elementary school to college and adults who wish to tell correct information about Korea to foreign textbooks and publishing companies.

I would like to inform you that your website includes information that seriously distort image of Korea and that could develop into diplomatic problem between Korea and Japan. We Koreans were surprised to see that your website marks Korea’s island Dokdo as Liancourt Rocks. Please refer to this link of your website: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ks.html

The name Liancourt Rocks is originated from France’s whaling vessel Le Liancourt that discovered Dokdo in 1849. Even though Korea, with sovereign control over the island, uses an official name “Dokdo,” temporary term named by French ship is used by your institution and is spreading globally. This is a big problem as people throughout the world recognize “Liancourt Rocks” as standard name.

Now, you might wonder why Korea is so sensitive about the correct name of Dokdo.

Dokdo is one of the most loved islands in Korea and is Korea’s one of major fishing grounds. In addition, Ulleungdo near Dokdo is the global tourist site. For instance, in 2010, world famous travel magazine, announced that Korea’s Ulleungdo is one of the best recreational site chosen by world’s tourists. According to this magazine, Ulleungdo offers spectacular scenery, preserving the nature from ancient times, and has abundant source of water unlike other islands; neighboring waters, with Dokdo, is the biggest fishing ground in the East Sea. On clear days, Dokdo can be seen from Ulleungdo with naked eye. Historically, for 1500 years, Ulleungdo and Dokdo were referred to as the island of mother and son, which indicates its important close relationship.

Therefore, your institution calling this domestically and internationally crucial island “Liancourt Rocks” will confuse many foreigners and ships visiting Ulleungdo and Dokdo. In addition, your institution might be responsible for physical and mental damage done to Koreans. Above all things, negligence of the term “Liancourt Rocks” would build uncomfortable feelings from Koreans toward your institution and country, and this would become an obstacle to our countries’ friendship.

As a member of VANK, I request that your institution use “Dokdo” instead of “Liancourt Rocks” in all parts of the website that provides information of Korea. For more information on geographical designation of Dokdo in Korean tourist guidebook, visit this website: http://prkorea.com/tour/img/dokdo.gif

We know that your website is putting much effort in understanding other cultures, countries, and designations in this global, informational 21st century. Particularly, your website is contributing towards many people’s correct understanding of other countries’ geographical names and cultures.

We hope you listen to our request kindly.

VANK — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.196.26.60 (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

This is the English-language Wikipedia. As such, we go by the principle that articles are given the names most commonly used in the English language for the subject. It's as simple as that. This does not mean that the Wikimedia Foundation is taking any position on disputes regarding the subject; we're just following our own rules. I'm sorry if you don't find this satisfactory. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:00, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Note to other editors: standard territorial dispute Liancourt Rocks dispute. The place to request a rename is Talk:Liancourt Rocks. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 15:02, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

St. Angelo Airport Enniskillen Co- Fermanagh

Corporate Air no longer operate at Enniskillen Airport. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.51.227.62 (talk • contribs) 18:59, 15 August 2013‎ (UTC)

Neon (Jay Sean Album)

Greetings Wikipedia,

I'm trying to add another review to the Critical Response section for the Neon (Jay Sean Album) Article. However, a user by the name of Koala15 keeps removing my unbiased, cited edit. Please help. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thealexkarl13 (talk • contribs) 19:03, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

IFEQ

So I'm using parser function IFEQ and I can't find out one thing. I want function to mean this:

ifeq: (something)|1 OR 2 OR 3 OR...|(another something)

So my question is: how to do those OR??

Robotukas11 (talk) 19:23, 15 August 2013 (UTC)