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The result was delete. Rlendog (talk) 20:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Mohammad Fallah
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Is not a notable player, has not played any senior international or continental tournaments, no non trivial English sources other than a FIVB profile which is a preliminary list of world league that doesn't mean he will play there Tomcat313 (talk) 13:13, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails WP:ATHLETE, also WP:GNG. Fails everything we have under WP Volleyball. For now, not notable. --Osplace 19:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete non-notable volleyball player.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:30, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing from that listed career has any insinuating signs of the needed notability, my examinations found nothing else better. SwisterTwister talk 18:20, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 02:07, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Stephen Peel
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Non notable person. Page created twice by SPA/COI. No significant coverage - there is an article in WSJ, apart from that there's not much. Rayman60 (talk) 22:05, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Sorry, but he does appear to meet WP:NOLYMPICS. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:20, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- comment: Yes, sorry, you're right, I didn't consider it from that angle.Rayman60 (talk) 10:42, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep as the best part is basically Olympian, the other contents re not particularly outstanding from there. SwisterTwister talk 01:33, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep – Presumed notable per WP:NOLYMPICS (source). North America1000 04:46, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 00:41, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Eric Adu
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I can find no evidence that this Ghanaian athlete has played a match in a fully professional league. Shirt58 (talk) 11:11, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment — This is a tricky one. The sole reference says that he formerly played for "Metro Stars", but doesn't say which one, and so far I've found three teams by that name in Ghana, in Kumasi, Tuba and Abura Dunkwa. The Abura Dunkwa Metro Stars are in the Ghanaian Division Two, which is a fully professional league. So in short, more references are needed to determine whether he's played professionally yet. Complicating this further, there's another, unrelated professional Ghanaian player named Eric Adu Poku. So if you're Googling for refs, be sure to include "-Poku" as a search term. I've come up empty-handed, but smarter people than me might do better. I can find no trace online of clubs called "Istanbul FC", or a "Dinh Doung". vi:Dinh dưỡng is Vietnamese for "nutrition". OnionRing (talk) 12:29, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - As unverified. If he has played in a fully pro league, it is not confirmed in reliable source, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and there is no evidence of sufficient coverage to meet WP:GNG. Additionally, the Ghana Division Two is not confirmed as a fully pro league (see WP:FPL). Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:00, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 07:19, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 07:36, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 08:31, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Stefan Jovicic
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Fails WP:NFOOTBALL, has not played at a professional level. No reliable sources to show notability per WP:GNG. Tassedethe (talk) 00:34, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete, fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a WP:FPL or in an international match. Fails WP:GNG also. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 01:29, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 09:09, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTBALL and WP:GNG. Kosack (talk) 09:37, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - hasn't played at a fully pro level Spiderone 10:51, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 21:49, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 16:12, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. No evidence of notability. No sign of significant coverage in reliable sources. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 10:34, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. joe deckertalk 22:14, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
Philippe Lefebvre (ice hockey)
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fails WP:NHOCKEY and WP:GNG Joeykai (talk) 20:11, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - doesn't pass NHOCKEY and not finding coverage to meet GNG. Rlendog (talk) 00:57, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. No evidence of notability. No sign of significant coverage in reliable sources. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 10:25, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 10:32, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Ray Mitchell III (Basketball)
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Doesn't appear to meet notability standards. I dream of horses (My talk page) (My edits) @ 08:54, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - Fails both WP:GNG and WP:NBASKETBALL. Rikster2 (talk) 12:05, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete per Rikster2, and note that this athlete also fails WP:NCOLLATH. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:58, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - no evidence that he meets any notability standard. Rlendog (talk) 20:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Clear consensus. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 05:05, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Granit Ademi
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Non-notable footballer. Ademi has not yet played at the level (top tier professional or top tier international amateur play) required to merit inclusion at Wikipedia. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 11:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - hardly any mentions of Granit Ademi online — Preceding unsigned comment added by Star Islington (talk • contribs) 12:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - nowhere near satisfying WP:FOOTBALL or WP:GNG. Apart from that, the article is completely unsourced BLP and written in a promotional (broken English) language.No longer a penguin (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 15:31, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 19:28, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. Fails to meet requirements of wp:gng. Search for significant coverage in reliable sources results in negative findings. B E C K Y S A Y L E S 22:43, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Mojo Hand (talk) 04:05, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
List of tallest players in IBL Indonesia history
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This fails WP:GNG, WP:NOTSTATS, and has no encyclopedic value. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Speedy delete. Per mentioned policies and this league is not significant enough to have any kind of lists. – Sabbatino (talk) 13:55, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Really a pretty random list - the Indonesian Basketball League would not be considered a top-tier league in any sense of the word. Rikster2 (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep interesting list. Height and basketball go together so this is not an indiscriminate list. MLA (talk) 07:56, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Being interesting and being notable are two different things. This list fails WP:LISTN. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete. This is indiscriminate collection of information. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 05:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:53, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Aleksandr Viktorovich Bulgakov
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Unable to find any coverage to verify if this individual actually exists never mind if he meets GNG. If sources can be found to verify the info on the page I'm not sure if it meets FOOTY because the team he played for, FC Ekibastuz, plays in a second tier league, Kazakhstan First Division. J04n(talk page) 00:56, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - no evidence he meets WP:GNG or WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 08:53, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete - in its current state it is an unreferenced BLP. The only reference there ever was is from a now defunct site and I can find no archived version. @Geregen2: can you find any sources for the player, because if one can be added, the player appears to pass WP:NFOOTY, Lada Togliatti were in the Russian second division when he played for the according to RSSSF, whilst Dinamo Omsk were in the third tier (RSSSF) as were Sibiryak Bratsk (RSSSF), all of which are listed as fully professional leagues. Fenix down (talk) 08:08, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - possibly meets criteria but no solid evidence to confirm this Spiderone 11:12, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as nothing at all actually suggesting the needed independent notability. SwisterTwister talk 00:43, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. Wizardman 21:45, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
Nate Fish
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Individual fails WP:GNG and WP:BASE/N. Sources cited do not establish notability. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:56, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
He played minor league baseball in Germany and Israel? Also competed on Israel national team. He won a Gold Glove in the Israel Baseball League as the best defensive infielder. Many players from the league played professionally after the league folded. After retiring he founded a baseball academy in New York. He was appointed Director of Israel Baseball and plays on Senior national team Basketballfan12 (talk) 04:19, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- That and $4 can buy you a cup of coffee. – Muboshgu (talk) 17:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete None of Basketballfan12's rationales meet any of the five very specific criteria set forth in WP:BASE/N. There is certainly not enough independent, significant coverage of the subject to meet WP:GNG. EricEnfermero (Talk) 05:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per EricEnfermero. InsertCleverPhraseHere 10:23, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Before the article is deleted, Nate Fish competed in the Israel Baseball League whose teams were coached by former Jewish MLB players ie. Art Shamsky, of the New York Mets, Ron Bloomberg of the New York Yankees,Major League Baseball's first designated hitter. The League Administration was led by Dan Duquette,Director of Operations who previously worked for the Boston Red Sox and Montreal Expos,currently works for the Baltimore Orioles.These individuals made an impact on the MLB on and off the field.
Do these count as reliable sources? They all describe the successful work Nate does of bringing baseball to Israel using the lessons of being an athlete and coach.These are some secondary sources which can be added. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6]
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- I think they're all reliable sources, but I don't think they establish notability. Many of them are brief mentions in passing, Maccabi USA is a primary source. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:54, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Fails WP:GNG with lack of significant coverage in multiple, independent, reliable sources. Unfortunately, non-independent sources and trivial mentions do not establish notability.—Bagumba (talk) 21:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 02:36, 20 June 2016 (UTC)
Drake Caggiula
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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai (talk) 04:51, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete: Undrafted college player of no particular accomplishments, the article doesn't merely falsely assert that the subject plays for the Edmonton Oilers, he was never drafted. Fails WP:NHOCKEY, no evidence he meets the GNG beyond routine sports coverage explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE. Article created by User talk:Drizzy85, whose talk page is studded by several dozen notifications of CSDs, prodding and AfDs of a raft of unreferenced one-sentence sub-stub creations. Ravenswing 09:50, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Although he was not drafted and has not yet played for Edmonton, he became a star his senior year, won the Frozen Four MVP award and has received significant coverage, far more than routine coverage that would typically attach to a run of the mill free agent signing. For example [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8]. There is also this which admittedly is not secondary coverage, but ncaa.com doesn't do features on just any college athlete. And an interview here. And lots of more minor coverage from various places. Obviously the article needs improvement though. Rlendog (talk) 14:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - I agree with Rlendog - meets the GNG. --Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 13:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete fast Samat lib (talk) 21:58, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
- Is there a reason? Rlendog (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Weak Keep He obviously fails WP:NHOCKEY, it looks as though there is just enough for a WP:GNG pass based on three of the articles listed above numbered 1,2 and 7; all of the other articles are just routine in nature. Deadman137 (talk) 19:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
- Draft instead as a compromise as there are still questionable signs for this article as its own and although there are apparent awarding achievements and such, the current article still insinuates nothing to currently accept and improve. SwisterTwister talk 18:08, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep – The subject meets WP:BASIC. Source examples include, but are not limited to those listed below. These sources provide significant coverage about the subject well beyond routine-style sports coverage. North America1000 21:50, 18 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep as a WP:GNG pass, per Rlendog's sources. Ejgreen77 (talk) 06:17, 19 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 07:10, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
List of bowlers with 5 or more ten-wicket hauls in Test cricket
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An other sock creation with questionable notability. 5 ten-wicket hauls seems like an very arbitrary number and what says this is notable? This is just an other list (among many others) from ESPN Cricinfo without evidence of widespread notability to pass WP:GNG Qed237 (talk) 15:41, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- keep Number of 10 wicket hauls at the highest level is definitely an indicator of ability over a long time . Both muttiah and Shane would get coverage for being prolific 10 wicket haul takers. Eg [9] or [10] LibStar (talk) 15:59, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete, per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Completely arbitrary threshold, Wikipedia is not a statistics database. There are at least two other websites (CricketArchive and ESPNcricinfo) devoted to these statistics, there is no need to duplicate that information. IgnorantArmies (talk) 03:08, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
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Keep a ten-wicket haul is a very significant thing to happen in a match and to get five in a career is a very significant thing. When someone gets one 10-wicket haul it is well reported and getting five is well reported. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 09:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)Delete, after reading the opinions below, I now agree that this is a case of an arbitrary threshold which fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE - Yellow Dingo (talk) 07:23, 11 June 2016 (UTC)- Delete - to me the threshold is arbitrary which is the key. I can't find any generally accepted number of 10wm which is considered inherently notable so it's a clear delete for me. Note that this is not suggesting that a 10wm isn't notable at all - it is. But it's the number of times that seems to be arbitrary unless someone can show me where it is "well reported" in itself. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:18, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete – ten-wicket match hauls, while often included on a player's statistical line, are a secondary statistic that tend not to get significant coverage in their own right – certainly not to the extent that overall wickets or five-wicket innings hauls gets. This, coupled with Blue Square Thing's comment that the threshold is arbitrary, makes this a clear delete for me. Aspirex (talk) 07:43, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I support the view that a ten-wicket haul is a significant feat - for a bowler it's akin to a batsman scoring a century. Like several other commenters my objection here is an arbitrary threshold. There is no special significance in a bowler taking five 10wm's as opposed to any other number. Bcp67 (talk) 12:02, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete 10-wicket hauls are a feat, but the figure is arbitrary. Do any actual reliable sources make reference to the ampunt of 10wm that cricketers have? Think answer is no. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:42, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete List of longest rivers of the United States (by main stem) too, it has a completely arbitrary 500m cutoff. Siuenti (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. The user (sock of a previously blocked account) is known for creating such lists based on arbitrary threshold. —Vensatry (talk) 03:43, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 17:46, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Sandy Febriansyakh Kurniawan
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Does not pass the notability guideline for basketball players. A google search show nothing that indicates this person passes the general notability guideline. The results on the search are all routine coverage which isn't enough to pass Wikipedia's notability standards. Yellow Dingo (talk) 08:17, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete and this should've actually also been BLPPRODed, nothing at all for any applicable notability. SwisterTwister talk 07:58, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete per failing WP:GNG. Jrcla2 (talk) 13:12, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 17:23, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Stefan D'Silva
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The subject claims to notability are that he was a schoolboy rugby player, who played for a 'A' Division club in Sri Lanka in 1976, who then emigrated to Australia where he was a prison guard. Upon retirement he self-published a coffee table book on wildlife in Sri Lanka. Fails to satisfy WP:ANYBIO, WP:AUTHOR or WP:NRU. Dan arndt (talk) 01:43, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete neither his role in rugby or his publishing books makes him notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:01, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as there's nothing convincing having examined the article; the nearest he would've come was an author but that article also overall is saying it's not an outstanding career either. SwisterTwister talk 04:02, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete I don't see any accomplishments that meet any notability criteria or significant independent coverage that meets GNG.Mdtemp (talk) 18:12, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. T. Canens (talk) 15:15, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Brian Williams Media Award
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This award does not satisfy WP:GNG in that there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. The current sourcing is not independent, as it is from the organization that grants the award. The article also appears to raise Wikipedia:Conflict of interest problems. Most of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame-related articles were created by User:Rajeevanm, an editor whose edits since 2014 relate principally to the OSHOF. Interestingly, the user name is very close to the name of the OSHOF's director of marketing. See here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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Redirectto Ontario Sports Hall of Fame I Checked by searching awardee in a random year, and it does gets press coverage. Ottawa Citizen [11] The Hamilton Spectator [12]. Just not much coverage. I think redirect to the short page of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame.E.M.Gregory (talk) 00:35, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- These are merely passing references in broader articles about the OSHOF. Not enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. That said, no objection to redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Specifically, media mention tend to be a sentence in an article about an individual winner of an OSHOF prize, or in an article about who won that year's prize. Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto are major cities, so it adds up to quite a lot of big-city daily coverage, although the award is only 3 years old.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- These are merely passing references in broader articles about the OSHOF. Not enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. That said, no objection to redirect. Cbl62 (talk) 03:18, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @E.M.Gregory: Hi E.M.Gregory, thanks for your comment. I apologize for the late reply since I'm still learning how to use the "talk" feature. I've added several independent sources to the article, check here: Toronto Star [13], Toronto Sun [14], ArgoAdmirals [15], Toronto Star [16], The Hamilton Spectator [17], Ottawa Citizen Sports Hall of Fame. The award recipients are high-profile members of sports media in Ontario, Canada. I believe there is enough to warrant a stand-alone article under WP:GNG. Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks! Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- In fact, the sources brought by User:Rajeevanm show that this journalism prize award, the Brian Williams Media Award ( Hawley is something else) is covered extensively in major media when awarded. It is =, in other words, a real if m=minor journalisam prize. Changing my !Vote to Keep.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:55, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @E.M.Gregory: Can you specify which of these articles you believe constitutes "significant" coverage of the Hamilton Award as opposed to a passing reference? Cbl62 (talk) 21:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- These newspapers validate this award by covering it. I don't think that in this it is different from other journalism awards, and certainly seems similar to the Casey Award, and others in the category:Sports writing awards, which I just added to the article.E.M.Gregory (talk)
- The standard under WP:GNG is that there needs to be "significant" coverage to warrant a stand-alone article. The sources mentioned amount to passing reference in broader discussion of the OSHOF, not "significant" coverage. Cbl62 (talk) 21:25, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- When a major institution gives a journalism prize, and major newspapers cover it, that's notable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Two points: 1) OSHOF is hardly a "major" institution, it doesn't even have a full-time staff or building; and 2) it's not notable unless it gets significant coverage, not just passing mentions. Cbl62 (talk) 03:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- These newspapers validate this award by covering it. I don't think that in this it is different from other journalism awards, and certainly seems similar to the Casey Award, and others in the category:Sports writing awards, which I just added to the article.E.M.Gregory (talk)
- The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:52, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Merge, to the OSHOF article or more specifically to a new section within it. The award information is short and can easily be included in the OSHOF article, if this is a significant program of the OSHOF. I "voted" at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sandy Hawley Community Service Award the same way. --doncram 20:44, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Redirect as this is best connected to that, there's nothing to suggest it can currently be improved as its own article. If needed, any contents can be merged when needed. SwisterTwister talk 00:28, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
- Redirect to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. This is a valid search target, but is not notable enough to have it's own article. On the other hand, Ontario Sports Hall of Fame is quite a short article. Mentioning this over there would keep all the information in the same article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:25, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was merge to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. J04n(talk page) 12:47, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Sandy Hawley Community Service Award
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This award does not satisfy WP:GNG in that there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources. The current sourcing is not independent, as it is from the organization that grants the award. The article also appears to raise Wikipedia:Conflict of interest problems. Most of the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame-related articles were created by User:Rajeevanm, an editor whose edits since 2014 relate principally to the OSHOF. Interestingly, the user name is very close to the name of the OSHOF's director of marketing and board member. See here and here. Cbl62 (talk) 00:34, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
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- @Cbl62: Hi Cbl62, I apologize for the late reply to your comment as I'm just learning how to use the "talk" section on Wikipedia. Although you may believe there is not significant coverage in multiple, reliable and independent sources to warrant the Sandy Hawley Community Service Award article, I would recommend checking these sources: Toronto Maple Leafs [18], Toronto Sun [19], Ottawa Redblacks [20] to start as the articles were written in 2013, 2015, 2016 respectively. I agree with you that there is not much coverage from independent sources but I believe there is sufficient mention of the award to meet WP:GNG standards. Please correct me if I am mistaken. Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- The sources you mention may constitute significant coverage of the OSHOF, but they do not constitute significant coverage of the Hawley Award. The references given merely contain passing reference to the Hawley Award. Such passing references are insufficient under GNG to support a stand-alone article. Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- @Cbl62: With regards to your concern that there is a conflict of interest. Allow me to provide some background on the Ontario Sports Hall of Fame. The OSHOF is a volunteer, non-profit organization that is dedicated to preserving the history and feats of athletes within our province for the future generations. We don't have a charitable status nor do we receive any funding from the government at any level. All Board of Directors and committee members are volunteers. We don't receive any compensation and often times we pay out of pocket to manage small expenses. In fact, to preserve and honour what we set out to achieve, all volunteers (including me) pay for the tickets to our own events. As the director of marketing, it's my role to educate and embrace the younger people of Ontario on the achievements of our athletes - this often involves engaging audiences online (social media, wikipedia, and more). I can assure you this is a legitimate organization that has been operating since 1995 (I was born in 1990 so it's almost a lifetime lol). Rajeevanm (talk) 05:19, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- The issue is not whether or not OSHOF is a legitimate organization. The issue is your conflict as OSHOF marketing director in editing articles concerning OSHOF. You need to familiarize yourself with WP:COI and its disclosure obligations. Cbl62 (talk) 05:48, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Merge, probably to Ontario Sports Hall of Fame (OSHOF) or to a new section in it. The award is a program of OSHOF. The current award article and the current OSHOF article are both short. If OSHOF is worth covering, and if the award is an important program of it, then it can be mentioned there. A redirect from the award to the organization can be left behind.
- About COI, the Wikipedia policy/guideline at wp:COI used to be explicit in saying that a person with COI can edit, although they should be responsible, and they should defer to non-involved editors in the event of any conflict over content (e.g. they could make suggestions for article changes at the Talk page, but leave the implementation to others). In my view, COI problems are much less when the organization is nonprofit and the editor(s) are volunteers. Cbl62 and me are volunteers here, by the way. But still you have to understand that Wikipedia does have to have policy/guidelines about COI because wikipedia is otherwise over-run by COI editors, including paid editors (not the case here). --doncram 20:39, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 02:27, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
List of Australian middleweight boxing champions
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Majority are redlinks. I am also nominating the following page because of the same reasons:
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- Delete - I think the idea of the article needs to be on Wiki, however this clearly needs allot of work before I could vote for keep --Bennyaha (talk) 12:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete Normally this article is useful but needs work is not a reason for deletion but enough time has passed without any improvement that I doubt there is the interest. If these Lists are kept they would have to be reduced to blue links as per WP:LINKS which makes it even harder to see the notability. The original editor has been notified and he is active. I would change my vote if there was even a hint that this would grow to its potential but right now I just don't see the notability.Peter Rehse (talk) 13:31, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Relisting comment: There is a consensus here to delete, but only the main article is mentioned in those comments. Relisting so that people can comment on the other two articles nominated. MelanieN (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep. The articles are in a poor state but the redlinks indicate articles that should be created - our coverage of boxers pre-1980s is poor. This is a topic that has been covered in reliable sources. --Michig (talk) 06:09, 6 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep yes, the two articles are in a poor state and I can understand Peter Rehse's logic that after a long time with little improvement, there is little interest in the subject. But it would only take one person who is knowledgeable on the subject to come along and see something that they can and want to fix. Deleting the article would remove that opportunity. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment It seems like these two topics should be notable, but right now there's no significant independent coverage from reliable sources. The articles consist of a list of names, with no supporting evidence of notability or other facts. Perhaps they can be moved to user space until someone makes an acceptable article out of them.Mdtemp (talk) 16:30, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Keep: Serves a navigational purpose and the redlinks could simply be removed. — Esquivalience (talk) 01:57, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
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- Comment I know AfD is not for article clean-up, but I think an exception could be made in this case because these articles have no content supported by reliable sources. I think these topics may well be notable, but only with decent referenced articles. I don't believe either of these articles belongs in the main article space as they currently exist. Papaursa (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep AFD is not cleanup. We don't make exceptions to the rules because you don't like it. And redlinked articles are articles that should be created. Smartyllama (talk) 18:37, 15 June 2016 (UTC)
- There's clean-up and then there's the fact that these articles currently fail to meet WP:GNG, which is the default standard of notability. I have no objection to this topic being on WP but I do believe articles need to meet some notability criteria. Currently that evidence is lacking. These last two sentences are why I suggested putting them in user space. Papaursa (talk) 00:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
- If the topic meets GNG that should be fine, regardless of the state of the article, which can be cleaned up. But so far no one has offered any evidence of coverage that would meet GNG. Rlendog (talk) 20:47, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- There's clean-up and then there's the fact that these articles currently fail to meet WP:GNG, which is the default standard of notability. I have no objection to this topic being on WP but I do believe articles need to meet some notability criteria. Currently that evidence is lacking. These last two sentences are why I suggested putting them in user space. Papaursa (talk) 00:17, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) B E C K Y S A Y L E S 09:21, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
Sergio Garcia (bodybuilder)
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Several notes about this, one is that there are claims of notability claims such as Mr. Universe but none of the sources are at all acceptably convincing and my searches are simply found nothing at all. I should also note the bodybuilding.com link is actually simply own his profile. SwisterTwister talk 23:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Delete Unless someone can show significant independent coverage of him. I didn't see any when I searched.Mdtemp (talk) 18:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 14:57, 25 June 2016 (UTC)
Jeremy Gregoire
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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai (talk) 03:38, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
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- Failing WP:NHOCKEY by itself is not a valid reason to delete, since there are other ways a subject can attain notability, such as WP:GNG. And there is at least one substantial source in the article. Rlendog (talk) 13:21, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep.. two time winner of the QMJHL scholastic player of the year..kinda a notable award Triggerbit (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- That isn't a notable award. Joeykai (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Not by itself. But it generated at least one instance of significant coverage for the subject that is already included in the article. And there may be more, which is why it is particularly important to address GNG here. Rlendog (talk) 17:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- If you've found others, would you mind sharing them? Beyond that, I disagree with Triggerbit: this isn't a QMJHL award, and wouldn't be considered notable if it was. Ravenswing 13:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete - I have not found other instances of significant coverage, and apparently no one else has. The Guy Lafleur award itself does not meet NHOCKEY, and one article about winning the award is not enough to satisfy GNG. Rlendog (talk) 20:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
- If you've found others, would you mind sharing them? Beyond that, I disagree with Triggerbit: this isn't a QMJHL award, and wouldn't be considered notable if it was. Ravenswing 13:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Not by itself. But it generated at least one instance of significant coverage for the subject that is already included in the article. And there may be more, which is why it is particularly important to address GNG here. Rlendog (talk) 17:16, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
- That isn't a notable award. Joeykai (talk) 23:53, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Keep.. two time winner of the QMJHL scholastic player of the year..kinda a notable award Triggerbit (talk) 21:15, 25 May 2016 (UTC)
- Delete That award definitely is not a major award. And I can't find any significant coverage on the player. Fails to meet GNG or NHOCKEY. Nothing has changed significantly since the last nomination. Should have been a speedy. -DJSasso (talk) 12:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: I agree that the subject fails to meet NHOCKEY and shows no evidence of meeting the GNG. The only cite from a reliable media source doesn't clear WP:ROUTINE. Ravenswing 13:20, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep - Has twice won a notable award (Guy Lafleur Award of Excellence) and has been the subject of in-depth coverage in several sources: [21] [22] [23] [24]. The subject has also been mentioned in numerous additional sources. Passes WP:GNG and WP:ANYBIO.- MrX 23:59, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
- Comment: Quite aside from that the notability of this award is suspect enough that I'm about to prod it -- only a handful of reliable sources even mention it, and not a single one gives the award "significant coverage" (as opposed to "Soandso is the 2014 winner etc") -- what notability criterion gives a presumptive pass for winning it? Moving on to your links, in order to meet the GNG, a subject must (a) receive "significant coverage" in (b) multiple (c) reliable sources which (d) do not constitute routine sports coverage of the sort explicitly debarred by WP:ROUTINE. Three of your four links are blog posts; all involve routine sports coverage. Mere mention in other sources, no matter how numerous, do not satisfy the GNG. Ravenswing 04:20, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- If policy is supposed to describe how content is treated in practice, then widespread practice would show that many thousands of articles are based on sports news. Just the number of football player articles alone strongly supports that we would retain an article where the subject was noted for standing out from his peers.- MrX 11:17, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- You're missing a crucial distinction: that the bar for sources supporting facts listed in an article is far lower than for those certifying the notability of the subject. A match report could verify that a player had reached a milestone in a particular game; a biographical webpage on the website of a subject's employer could verify a birthdate or spouse's name. We'd accept both for those purposes. We'd accept neither as evidence of the subject's notability.
Beyond that, it can't be news to you that notability criteria establish thresholds. A singer who won a local 'battle of the bands' competition certainly would have been "noted for standing out from her peers," but WP:MUSICBIO plainly sets forth that what consensus holds to be a significant award for notability purposes is a Grammy nomination or thereabouts. By contrast, "standing out from one's peers" (which is entirely subjective) forms no part of any NSPORTS criteria. Competing at the top levels of performance does. Gregoire didn't win a major NHL trophy; he won, frankly, a minor award for academic achievement, unsanctioned by any league, and did so as a teenage amateur.
Ultimately, though, this is looking like a smokescreen. If Gregoire was truly notable, there'd be significant coverage in multiple reliable sources saying so. If you're convinced of his notability, you should be able to produce such qualifying sources, and I'll be pleased to change my vote if you do. Ravenswing 12:26, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
- You're missing a crucial distinction: that the bar for sources supporting facts listed in an article is far lower than for those certifying the notability of the subject. A match report could verify that a player had reached a milestone in a particular game; a biographical webpage on the website of a subject's employer could verify a birthdate or spouse's name. We'd accept both for those purposes. We'd accept neither as evidence of the subject's notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, st170etalk 00:21, 2 June 2016 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 05:39, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- Delete as I meant to comment sooner especially no one else had, there:s simply nothing, regardless of any notable awards, at best confidently suggesting keeping as his own article. This would at best be better linked to his best known work instead. SwisterTwister talk 07:49, 12 June 2016 (UTC)
- Keep weak though. Sees to have a reasonable number of mentions in secondary sources, but freely admit I do not know enough about them to assess their reliability. Aoziwe (talk) 15:05, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
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- ^ http://www.brooklyneagle.com/articles/nate-fish-brooklyn-artist-leader-israeli-baseball-2013-10-10-200000
- ^ http://www.maccabiusa.com/professional-baseball-alumni-to-coach-usa-juniors-boys-baseball-team/
- ^ http://forward.com/culture/qa/341319/how-a-survivors-son-is-bringing-baseball-to-israel/
- ^ http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=crasnick/060830
- ^ http://www.jnf.org/about-jnf/news/jnf-wire/jnf-wire-rounding-the-bases.html
- ^ http://www.jewishjournal.com/sports/article/israel_baseball_creating_diamonds_in_the_desert