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They recent additions by Abel Pody should be accompanied by coverage of the prosecution evidence. As it currently reads there is no balance and reads more as article for those with a vested interest.

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Timaru

Hi Roger - where in the Stats NZ webpage http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/census_counts/2013CensusUsuallyResidentPopulationCounts_HOTP2013Census/Commentary.aspx#orderofcities does it say that Nelson is a city? Or do you have another source that shows it is? Cheers, Ollieinc (talk) 06:32, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi ollieinc, I have replied on the Timaru talk page.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:45, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Pitcairn Islands

Hi Roger, please see my comments on the Pitcairn Islands article's talk page detailing my other evidence for the official name of the territory. ThinkingTwice ^{contribs | talk} 23:20, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

I have replied on that talk page. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:30, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

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Danson Park / Danson House

Hi Roger,

I noticed you have edited several articles about Bexley, or places in Bexley, do you have a connection with the area? If so, I thought I would ask your opinion on something. I've just been working on the Danson House article, and it occurs to me that there is a lot of crossover with the Danson Park article ie. the history, geography, facilities, info about ownership etc. Do you think these two articles should be merged? The Danson Park article is not very long or detailed, so it strikes me that together they would make a reasonable article. Though on the other hand, the two subjects are certainly notable in their own right. So if they shouldn't be merged, what should the two articles focus on? I will cross-post this to the respective talk pages but I wondered if you had an opinion on this.. Jdcooper (talk) 18:07, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jdcooper, Thanks for your message. Yes, I do have connections with, experience of, and an interest in the area. I have commented on your merger idea on the Danson House talk page. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:38, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

Image captions

Your assertion in this edit summary is incorrect. Per both MOS:CAPTION and WP:CAPFRAG, if any complete sentence occurs in a caption, then every sentence and every sentence fragment in that caption should end with a period.. Periods are only omitted when captions are merely sentence fragments and no complete sentences are used. --AussieLegend (✉) 19:49, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you and yes I now see those MOS references. I think these guidelines need amending though. It is fairly common in English to create a sentence with assumed words. Other descriptions on other captions on the NSW site do just that. It seems that by sticking rigidly to the standard sentence format we get the anomaly of one caption description having a full stop and the next not having one, because it happens to omit a verb or a noun that is assumed and clearly understood.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:28, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

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Revert on Hundred (county division)

Roger 8 Roger, your revert of the article Hundred (county division) shows that you do not know anything about historical subdivisions of Ukraine. If you would spend a little more time reading the article Cossack Hetmanate, you will see that the Hetmanate subdivisions were not exclusively military, but also administrative and territorial. Encyclopedia of Ukraine translates sotnia as a company, but literally it means a hundred. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 05:21, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

I have looked again. These were administrative land divisions, structured with a military influence, but they were not hundreds, which is the topic of this article. Please be careful when using any form of translation devise, especially a computer. The translation it comes up with will usually be wrong, confusing and in bad English. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:39, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

Comma with correlative conjucions

Hello Roger
I would like to inform you that the sentence "either an American Samoan, or a Samoan living in the mainland United States" has the correlative conjunctions either/or. Correlative conjunctions don't require a comma. I'll remove the comma if you don't mind. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikigeekee (talk • contribs) 20:13, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead. You do not mention that your original edit, on the 'Samoa' page, had a typo/test edit error at the top: 'aThe'. That is what I saw and why I reverted. I did not see the comma edit tucked away below. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 21:26, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Your modification to Slade Green re: Ceremonial County

The original stated that Slade Green was in the ceremonial county of Kent until 1965.

I agree that the sentence is misleading, but instead of correcting the sentence you deleted it. Your reason was that ceremonial counties did not exist until 1997. You are wrong about the significance of 1997. The Act in 1997 reclassified long-established counties as Metropolitan or Non-Metropolitan and reduced the total number of Lord Lieutenancies; but the very important detail is that the Act did not bring Counties or Lieutenancies into existence - those titles were already centuries old. Someone was certainly responsible for ceremonial activities in Slade Green, and a Lord Lieutenant for Greater London was not created until 1997 - so who was responsible and which region did they represent?

I suggest it would be more appropriate to mark the original sentence as contentious because the citations show only that 'administrative duties' transferred from Kent to London in 1965. None of the citations mention 'ceremonial duties' or who the Lord Lieutenants were for that region between 1965 and 1997. There is no indication of when exactly the ceremonial duties transferred from Kent to Greater London. All that we know is that they transferred some point between 1965 and 1997. That should be cause to revise the sentence for accuracy, not delete.

Thank you for your comments. You might find it useful to become authorised with a user name. You can sign your above post anyway by using the box below once you click 'edit'. Your changes about counties have only made matters worse and will need changing. You state above that I am wrong about the 'significance of 1997'. I am not wrong because I made no comment on the significance of 1997 except, by implication, that it came after 1965. Lieutenancies and associated topics are part of what I call county confusion. You seem, in this particular topic, to give undue weight to their significance, just as you do to the Royal Mail's address system. They are part of the problem, but only part. The fundamental question here is whether Slade Green is in Kent or in London. The simple answer is it's in both. The more accurate, and far more difficult answer is first, to define what London is and what Kent is, and then second, to say why and when Slade Green is in both. This has never been properly dealt with anywhere which is why there is so much confusion everywhere. Until it is properly dealt with, the confusion and circular discussion like this will continue. A point to end with: 'Kent' in a Slade Green address refers to the postal town, ie DA, Dartford, which is reasonably non-contested in Kent. It does not refer to Slade Green. There are places in the UK that have a postal town in one county but are in another county. Their address, if a county is used, would have a different county from the one the place is actually located in. Anyway, the Royal Mail is now totally postcode based so counties on addresses are not relevant except for personal satisfaction. Your interesting citation of Hansard and the people of Pembrokeshire illustrates this, although it is the wrong reference for this article on Slade Green and should be removed or used as reference elsewhere. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 03:31, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments in Slade Green: Talk - all well received, but I have responded with my reasons to disagree. I also believe Royal Mail previously stated decades ago that they retained old postcodes only because of the prohibitive costs of change - but contemporary paperless movement and centralised databases undermines that point. Probably the strongest source of contention is 'social memory' and the reluctance of many people to embrace change; but note that Slade Green exists in WP:London and not WP:Kent, and this indicates to me that people of Kent have voted. I have put their position to the test and I am keen to see their response (P.S. Shooter's Hill in LB Greenwich has a DA postcode). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.173.103.127 (talk) 23:21, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Could you please try to 1/ sign and date all your posts (and get a user name) 2/ Once you've posted them then don't keep changing them - on a talk page the odd typo is not a big deal 3/ Stay on one page if possible. There is no point having the same discussion on three or four different pages. I suggest using the Slade Green talk page, not this personal talk page. Yes, Shooters Hill, Kent DA xx, on an envelope (referring to the post town of Dartford). Of course, Shooters Hill is actually in Kent and always has been (meaning the 'historic county of Kent), just as Lewisham and Greenwich always have been. All this does is confirm that the question of which county a place is in is far from simple and open to endless confusion. I suggest continuing this conversation on the Slade Green talk page, or the WikiProject Kent talk page.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:01, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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Barnes Old Norse Grammar revert

I have no idea why did you do that. Barnes Grammar is very often used in college classes across the globe (and next to Gordon is considered as one of the best). And - whats more - it is free but instead the link section contains a paid textbook plus a XiX centrury introduction. I don't have time to argue with you but I think you must have some vested interest for the link section to stay in this shape. Cheers to an "expert".

@ unnamed above. The main problem with the external links was that there were too many of them, including too many text book type links. If you think your link is better than one that is on the new currentblist then please add it back and remove the other, less good, link.

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Deleting David Winnick

Without his being a CURRENT MP there is no reason for his inclusion alongside the other examples as he is no more relevant than the already deleted Peter Tapsell who did not become Father until 2010 depiste having served before the previous Father discontinuously. LE (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

@LE. The article is about the position of Father of the House. Examples can be used from any past time, not just the current situation or currently sitting MPs. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:27, 10 June 2017 (UTC)

Welsh Language

If you want better references but some effort into finding them, Demanding other editors do it for you is not really in the spirit of wikipedia ----Snowded ^TALK 16:24, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

@Snowded If Welsh is not spoken as a native language in Patagonia then there is no reference to find. There are numerous sources about Welsh in Patagonia, none of which confirm L1 status. I have put considerable effort into trying to find a wp:rs to confirm L1 status but there is none. I am not demanding anything of anyone - I am just trying to stick to the facts as provided by reliable sources and to remove what appears to be a lot of incorrect or ambiguous information that is not backed by reliable sources. It might be more in the spirit of wikipedia if we all tried to remove edits made with a hidden agenda, namely, in this case, artificially trying to promote the importance of the Welsh language. This problem exists throughout WP, not just in Welsh articles. Incidentally, for what it is worth, I have no anti-Welsh agenda at all, in fact quite the opposite. Cheers Roger 8 Roger (talk) 17:16, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The BBC did a whole programme on it, a google search on gives you multiple sources. I don't think you tried. I'm reverting you and you can choose which references you find relevant. Oh and I suggest you try not to make assumptions about other editors motivations ----Snowded ^TALK 19:09, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

The BBC doco, if you watch it carefully, skirts around the issue of native speakers as much as it can, but at one point near the end it implies that L1 speakers no longer exist. It certainly does not say that they DO exist, in other words, it is not a source that can be used to confirm native speakers. The best it could come up with was an old guy that had a reasonable grasp of spoken Welsh as an L2, clearly not an L1. There was also an interview with a young guy operating the Welsh tea shop museum, again a competent speaker but clearly L2. Any fluent L1 Welsh speakers in the doco were from Wales. A better doco is the much earlier BBC doco from the 1960's that also fails to confirm L1 speakers but does cover a lot of L2 speakers, in that case children and grandchildren of L1 speakers. This confirmed the reality that the Welsh settlement was strong enough to maintain Welsh as an L1 for no more than three or four generations. Please stop inserting statements that are unsourced or are sourced by non-reliable citations. That is disruptive editing with a non-NPOV. Please also continue any discussion on the Welsh language talk page, not here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:17, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Taiwan

I'm not entirely sure what changes you want on the lead sentence of Taiwan, but they are very unlikely to happen. I recommend you focus on editing other articles. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:07, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

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Flags

Sorry, but this is silly. You are referencing a guideline on the use of flag ICONS, not flags. Country articles all have their flag in the infobox.

Ian Dalziel (talk) 10:02, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

To add, the policy you cited in your edit summary - MOS:FLAG - states "Human geographic articles – for example settlements and administrative subdivisions – may have flags of the country and first-level administrative subdivision in infoboxes". So even having a flag icon for the UK in England's infobox would be OK per policy. Rob984 (talk) 13:00, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for the comments. I will self revert a couple of other flag removals. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you - and sorry about the first revert. I didn't realise that was an explanation - you'd replaced a "flag" hyperlink, I just assumed your comment was the same link. A couple of extra words would help the hard of understanding... Ian Dalziel (talk) 20:53, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

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Disruptive Editing - London Boroughs and Historic Counties

Hello Roger

Please allow me to retort your comments. I am not editing to suit my own POV. I accept that historic counties have yet to be abolished (unlike the old divisions of other countries whose governments have done a great job in not confusing their citizens as to which part of the country they can call home). Yes, in my honest opinion I do believe that the historic counties should be formally abolished by the UK Government. Until that happens, all I ask is for some consistency for every area linked to from here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_areas_of_London

I also believe that the historic county should not be listed in the opening section of the article, but I have no problem with it appearing in subsequent paragraphs. I also ask you, why is it that these county divisions bear such importance? Why not list Mercia or Wessex in these articles? Finally, in terms of “the historic counties” what constitutes “London”? Justgravy (talk) 14:14, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

This has been answered on Justgravy's talk page, where the discussion began. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:11, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Notables section for Sheerness

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I have just replied on the Sheerness talk page. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:19, 24 September 2017 (UTC)

Links to notable people in Bermuda

Roger 8 Roger

You have just deleted from the main Bermuda page a number of links to lists of notable people (of sporting people, of cultural people and of historical people) to what one might call some of the subsidiary pages to the main Bermuda page. Your explanation is that I should not "link to Wikipedia as a source". I think you will find that was not being done.

The lists of notable people are not sources but parts of the subsidiary articles in themselves. The use of links like this is an arrangement to avoid overburdening the main Bermuda page - by dividing them between the subsidiary pages. And these subsidiary pages are themselves linked to the main Bermuda page.

Please reflect further on your deletion and explain further ( as sources are not involved here) or say whether I should compile a single list of Bermudan notables and publish that (with a link) or reinstate the links.

ArbieP (talk) 09:44, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Please check wp:notability for guidelines on lists. This will take you to other guidelines. Your links to other wiki sites, if needed, should be under 'see also'. Each entry in a 'notable person' sub-section should have its own wp:rs citation. Yours does not. In fact it does not even have a list of notable people, just a list of alternative sites. I realise your intention is to simplify the process, but that is not the best way to handle it. Not all entries in the other articles, eg notable sports people, will warrant being included in the main Bermuda article, because it would give unnecessary weight to those persons, in the context of a general article about Bermuda.wp:due,wp:balance.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 19:49, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Roger 8 Roger

Thankyou, that's much clearer ArbieP (talk) 20:33, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

revert

I don't understand why this was reverted: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Michael_P._Fay&oldid=prev&diff=806202461 - Can you explain why? Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 12:04, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Message just left on article site. "It" refers to the USA, not President Clinton, so 'it' is correct.Roger 8 Roger (talk) 12:11, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Atcovi (Talk - Contribs) 12:23, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

Your revert

Please don't revert edits without giving a full explanation. 'UK' is not needed here. The article is about Wales. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 07:30, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I thought the relatively long edit summary was a clear enough explanation. My apologies if it was not. Yes, the article is about Wales but the sub-article is about the foreign relations of Wales which are conducted through the UK parliament, not through the WA. The WA will have a say, but that is all. Even the WA USA representative is based in the UK embassy, a clear sign that in foreign relations the UK comes first. A similar approach applies to the EU reps - Wales is not a member of the EU: the UK is. If you mean promoting Wales and all things Welsh, that is fine, but if so then I thing that should have a separate section because that is not foreign relations. The way you phrased your edits came across as if you were pushing an agenda. Thank you for choosing to post here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

Counties

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TCI

I've been watching this article for years, and there has been little discussion on the issue of TCI joining Canada on its talk page. So when editors suddenly show up and removed properly cited content without having discussed the issue on the article's talk page, you should expect to be reverted. I'm assuming this has been discussed somewhere else, so at least bother to provide links to to those discussions in your summaries or on the talk page. - BilCat (talk) 04:47, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I have made a comment on the TCI talkpage. I would dispute that the citations are, in this case, good citations. I have seen comment made before about the Canada plan which I initially thought was on the TCI talk page, but it may have been somewhere else. Anyway, I have now started a talk page discussion. Thanks Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

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I don't understand your revert of my template addition with the edit summary 'No miscarriage'? The lead says it was a miscarriage and the article is listed in the template. Why do you think it should be reverted? Fob.schools (talk) 21:50, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Please check the edit history: I self-reverted immediately because my edit was a mistake. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:07, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Archive.org

Hi, I noticed you removed a "dead" link from Islamic garden. I've restored it from http://www.archive.org – it's always worthwhile checking before deleting a link, especially if you're about to leave a whole section uncited. It's far more difficult to retrieve sources later, without a hint as to where they came from. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:15, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. I agree, and I do usually try to fix what appear to be dead links before removing them. On this occasion I was not as thorough as I should have been, so thanks for restoring the source. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:28, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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Your recent revert only removed the justification and not the picture of HMS Bristol. Don't worry I fixed it, agree with you 100%. WCM_email 11:55, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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Careless

I cannot believe that you just undid my fixes on Falkland Islands. The edits I undid were clearly vandalism. The user concerned has been blocked for disruptive editing, and other people had already undone most of their vandalism - including you. So why the hell, nearly four months later, would you get weirdly upset that I called a vandal a vandal, and restore their vandalism to the article? Inateadaze (talk) 08:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

You reverted a debatable point of grammar, calling those with a different opinion vandals and disruptive. You might want to consider changing the style of your language when commenting on WP. "What the hell" and "I cannot believe that you just..." and "you get weirdly upset" do not help reasoned debate. Also, please check ATWV. Clear vandalism does not require a comment when deleting anyway. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:36, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

No, I did not "call those with a different opinion vandalism". I reverted vandalism, and called the vandal a vandal. You had also reverted their vandalism. I'm really disgusted by your attacks and lies now and I think you need to get a grip, admit your mistake and apologise for your behaviour towards me. Inateadaze (talk) 08:44, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Talk pages

A user can do what they like on their talk pages (outside of not being allowed to delete block messages). Article talk pages are for disusing the article, not other users actions, or what they do on their talk pages. If you have a complaint about his talk page activity please post it there.Slatersteven (talk) 09:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct, and I never said otherwise. I simply gave an opinion that in the context of the ongoing discussion it was unhelpful to remove relevant, interconnected, comments from anywhere, including a personal talk page. If Inateadaze wants to accept my opinion that is entirely up to her. To suggest it is a matter for a formal complaint is excessive. I could perhaps have phrased it differently though. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:38, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

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This is just a warning that one of your recent edits to 2018 bombing of Damascus and Homs appeared to violate WP:1RR. Please familiarize yourself with that policy. If you believe you received this message in error, please let me know. Thanks. Brian Everlasting (talk) 04:39, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your warning. Perhaps you refer to a WP:3RR breach? Please check exemption 7 to that rule, leading to WP:BLP. Theresa May in this article is described as a commander of a military operation, which she is not, neither militarily nor in her position as PM. That description is uncited and, as it is incorrect, it cannot be cited by a reliable source. It therefore is original research WP:NOR, or put another way, it is a personal opinion about a living person, something that can and should be removed because it does not:

adhere strictly to all applicable laws in the United States, to this policy, and to Wikipedia's three core content policies:

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By the way, the queen, does not command in any way her armed forces, as you edited, notwithstanding that she is 92 years old in a couple of days. I agree that edit warring should be avoided. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 07:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

"Decisive" victory

Personally, I'm all for the idea of keeping the result parameter of a battle's infobox short. However, I don't think the instructions on the template are per se part of the MOS (and hence I think you are going to run into difficulties if you claim they are), and it seems curious to start with Trafalgar and the Nile, where the expression "decisive victory" is both relatively concise and accurate, and not with the many battles where the infobox contains half a paragraph about the outcome. Pinkbeast (talk) 23:56, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I was following [1] that followed ibx. If you are not aware of it, my edits were indirectly linked to a Rorke's Drift debate, and Battle of Britain where an edit war about 'decisive' recently occurred. At the time of the edit waring I, and presumably others, was unaware of the infobox guidelines. They make sense to me because what is or is not a 'decisive' victory is usually a POV matter. Trafalgar and the Nile are extreme examples (that I chose intentionally) because they were so obviously decisive, but the point still remains in my opinion - better to just say 'victory'. The article will make it obvious how decisive it was. Is your comment that the guidelines are not actual policy and so there is still a level of discretion involved? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 01:34, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I thought you were following that (well, Template:Infobox military conflict; the second link seems to be broken but I think you mean MOS:IBX... which has nothing to say about the "result" parameter). I have looked back briefly at the activity on those other two pages.

I'm saying two things. The first is, yes, that the guidelines on Template:Infobox military conflict do not have the strength of the MOS, not that even the MOS is unbreakable. For example if you edited Battle of Borodino citing them you would rightly be reverted because a lengthy discussion on the talk page arrived at the current compromise (which personally I dislike, but it is at least correct unlike the persistent use of "pyrrhic" to describe Borodino).

The second is that I think it is unfortunate that you have started with extreme examples. It would be better to have started with infoboxes with unclear rambling results, both in terms of effecting immediate improvement and in demonstrating the advantages of having only minimal results. Someone would be far from unreasonable to revert your edits to Trafalgar and the Nile on the grounds that "decisive British victory" is both concise and accurate. Pinkbeast (talk) 02:01, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

The link you are looking for is this one, to the military history subsection of the MOS. There is debate about improving the clarity of the wording around this, but the main strand of advice remains the same. The template should reflect the MOS. Correcting the Nile and Trafalgar to follow this is fine. Wiki-Ed (talk) 20:10, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Belvedere

Hi,

Noticed you response to a comment in the archive of the London Wikiproject. Note that no changes should be made to any archived material. If you feel further discussion is needed, it should be done at the main project page (or some other venue) in a new thread.

One consideration to bear in mind is Google-hit counting is not an appropriate way of gauging common usage. The reason for that is simple - Postal counties. Many Google hits for a string like "<town>, <county>" will simply be the postal address information included on a website. Postal usage is not the same as common usage. Royal Mail has officially deprecated counties for their purposes, but that doesn't mean people have stopped using them for their mail. And the postal counties are different again from any other type of county...--Nilfanion (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

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Rollback of a recent edit

Hi, a bit puzzled re the reason for this revert, including how it qualifies as an acceptable use of rollback. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:17, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

My apologies. It must have been an unintentional press of a button. I knew nothing of it till I just read your message. I recently read the article and saw your edit and thought it was a good alteration. I have just self reverted. Thanks for raising this error here. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 08:35, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

no worries, I've done that many a time, especially when reviewing a watchlist! All good and thanks also for the speedy response. -- Euryalus (talk) 08:52, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

Also apologies, my post could have been a bit more diplomatically worded. -- Euryalus (talk) 09:11, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

All good - no offense taken. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 09:14, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

No personal attacks

Just stop it. I attempted to make a compromise edit. Your edit summary is aggressive, try and work with people rather than just reverting without thinking -----Snowded ^TALK 06:18, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Exasperation is a better word than aggressive, on the Great Britain article. Compromise is not an option in this case: the phrase did not comply with policy so it was first removed, in accordance with policy, and then reworded so as to comply. You have chosen not to engage in discussion; failed to give any reason for your repeated insertions of NI; have removed a good, correctly used, reference without explanation. I have put the relevant issues on the talk page, which you have chosen not contributed to; I have made edit summaries of the issues. I really cannot see why you insist on putting NI into that particular phrase. If you want to get the point you are making across to readers it can easily be done by writing another, separate sentence. Moonraker made a simple referencing error which has been dealt with. Why not just leave it at that and move on? Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:44, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm seeking to move it on, rather than move on -----Snowded ^TALK 06:56, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

Erith

If you choose to use the word "distressing" to describe an edit that's wrong yet perfectly innocuous, then your comment about that edit becomes that bit less reasoned, does it not?

Also, nothing was stopping you from making the desired changes yourself - or from leaving that comment about my edit on *my* talk page, rather than the talk page for the article in question.

I'm going to take another break from Wikipedia now - because, among other things, I just can't be bothered getting into arguments like this... Bluebird207 (talk) 03:03, 26 August 2018 (UTC); edited 12:49, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

If I said I am distressed by your statements that my comment had clearly annoyed or upset you, would you also accuse me of using inappropriate wording? The term I used was totally innocuous and part of the rich tapestry of the language that is spoken by countless people in countless ways all around the world. IMO you have overreacted to an in context light hearted comment that most people would not have given a second thought to. By making such a point of the word 'distressing' we are detracted from the actual point of dispute. From your edit history I assume you are very aware of the ongoing circular debates about county related articles in UK wikipedia articles, which makes your remarks even more surprising. As you can see, I have reworded the lead slightly. Based on past experience I expect somebody will change it back soon to something closer to your chosen wording. If and when that happens I won't lose any sleep over it. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 04:48, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

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"In" the North Island (FYI)

New Zealand's North and South Islands are sufficiently large that we New Zealanders think of them as being 'places', rather than 'pieces of land'. That's why we always say "in the North Island" and "in the South Island", rather than "on North Island" or "on the North Island". (This is a 'shibboleth' that often easily identifies non-locals.)

Note, however, that this is true only for NZ's two main islands. For the smaller islands, we use the usual "on" - e.g., "on Stewart Island", "on Waiheke Island". Ross Finlayson (talk) 16:07, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Ross. I will keep my ears open for this but I cannot recall 'in' being used by the public or on the news. I did a quick qoogle search and found a roughly 50-50 split on NZ sites. I do wonder if I simply do here 'in' but don't take it in. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 18:41, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

@Rsfinlayson: could not have expressed it better and I agree entirely with him. Please understand that NZ is experiencing a great deal of immigration and news sites often contain bizarre examples of Indian and Asian constructions because they are hiring these people. We often see for example the peculiarly Indian dropping of the definite article "the" where British, Australian, etc would definitely use it. Akld guy (talk) 01:58, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

This debate continues here. [2]

UK Counties

Roger,

i am posting this here because, of the members that have been involved, you appear to be most 'senior' in time served, I am sure you can provide accurate guidance and you are the only one who has recognised some of the problems (probably more than seen to date, but we haven't discussed some of those yet).

I am considering involving Administration, but as I am new I feel that I don't yet know enough. Can you help with this?

Statements:

1 There is along standing, firmly established impasse here.

2 It is at risk of, causing fundamental damage to WP reputation.

I don't need to offer any evidence in support of 1. it is clear throughout many years of talk pages, edit redaction, rhetoric and opinion based 'consensus'.

In support of 2, I know you are aware of the scale of many articles from WP:Geography downwards and outwards, being affected by the affects of the impasse.

I think you agree. I am certain of at least two, by definition unlinked, 'root causes', and can postulate more.

To avoid the potential of much 'one finger' type and time, please indicate agreement so we can get on. For clarity throughout, we should do this topics piece by piece?

Thanks for patience, whatever your responseMikewhit (talk) 06:16, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment, but I would not call myself the most senior by a long way. We do of course agree about the county problem but we are in no way alone in that. If you have looked around various sites you will see that. There are though, many editors with a firmly entrenched opposite view. As a new editor, here are some pointers, if it helps. 1/ Policy is a wp term for a rule that cannot be changed; guidelines are less rigid but still generally adhered to. There is a process to change guidelines that I have started with the RfC. Try to follow that process: keep your comments in the talk page section I created. One editor has already started by saying no to my proposal. If you want copy his method but say yes. Keep your arguments as succinct as possible. 2/ Please sign at the end of your comments, not at the start! 3/ Remember, there has been an enormous amount of discussion on this over very many years. Some editors will simply ignore this attempted change as been there done that. 4/ The subject is not simple and there are valid arguments on both sides. Thanks for your support. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:46, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Roger. Can I ask permission to use your good self as a 'sounding board' to test that a proposed submission is/is not OK, and where best to begin (its' a minefield out there😥).

At risk of 'preaching to converted', but it must be said. The Counties issue is causing real pain for a large number of real people And not just Yorkshire. For info, in Yorkshire we now have a properly constituted political party with duly elected local councillors, The Yorkshire Party. Part of its' constitution is to remedy this issue, for Yorkshire. They have a name for areas like Barnoldswick, where I am, and Saddleworth. "The occupied territories". Says it all.

Certain counties and not just Yorkshire have not historical but downright ancient, predating central government, precedent in certainty of heritage and 'belonging'. There has also been a lot of spilled blood involved. Some of it even in my lifetime.

Having said that, I recognise it has been going on for some time - far too long. Nobody has raised that specifically. WP should have a policy (and I do very much understand the difference) to be introduced when discussions get bogged down to determine why and get past it. If such a policy already exists it should be exercised as soon as possible. Lack of such policy has not contributed to the impasse itself, just its' longevity.

I would like to list probably the most important, root causes of the impasse, to work out how and where to tackle them. This will avoid the 'same old thing' attitude. If necessary, an old fashioned root cause analysis could be documented. Thoughts, please?Mikewhit (talk) 08:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

Roger, I get very little response to my efforts on chat, possibly because by nature they are a bit long. I am not much concerned if there are personal reasons, but if I can make corrections I will. Now that I have started I will certainly see 'counties' through, because I can see the benefits.Mikewhit (talk) 06:14, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I would like to share my vision of the 'Counties' future. This may be better presented as a logic diagram, which can be done but not, by me, on this format. Starting at the top, UK Geography section called 'UK Counties'

UK Counties has or will have sections for Scotland, N. Ireland, England & Wales. At this time, no changes to Scotland or NI. Section for 'England and Wales' may require splitting.

Section 'England' (or E & W, as agreed by wp). Text, sited appropriately;

"There are three important but largely seperate subjects, Geography, ≤Local Government≥ and ≤historic Ceremony≥, a number of which carry 'County' as part of their title. Originally, their boundaries or limits of influence would all have been synonymous with the Geographical boundary, but over time they have become less so to the point where they must be clarified."

UK Geography links to 'local gov' and 'ceremony'😀 At this point, suggest sub page link at 'clarified'. Pages 'Local Gov' and 'ceremony' carry identical text, changing required links only.

More follows Mikewhit (talk) 06:14, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Too much detail can be counterproductive. The proposal is only the three point I proposed. If that proposal is accepted, the detail of how to implement it will then follow, but not before. I suggest focusing on those points as succinctly as possible. It may be useful as well to copy other editors' methods when writing posts to keep everything short, on topic and neatly together. I am grateful for your ongoing support and my remarks here are meant to be helpful Roger 8 Roger (talk) 06:58, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Agree. Principal objective is to have consensus that 'that sentence' is false. Next small step after that, 'shelve' the guideline completely until it can be redone (on grounds that it cannot be allowed to be 'used' with known falsehood). A guideline will still be required, just not like that.

Next, obtain consensus that highest level change first, to UK Geo.

Below, 'we' means me and you as the only consenting adults around here😊 If you know others, participation by invite?

Above is first part of 'vision', setting out proposed target to enable a plan. Not proposing to publish😃 When I get to end, it will hopefully demonstrate that level of change is not as onerous as some may think. For example, above text is all of the proposed insert to UK Geo main page - some existing text will be removed, some will need minor edit. Next is sub page. When done the brevity may surprise😁 even me.

Briefly, next is the guideline and 'Counties of the UK', which will widen discussion. Before we get there, we need to understand precisely what change and watertight reasoning.

Then, individual "County" and "place" pages. I am hopeful that those pages will welcome the simplicity we can offer.

At some point, not yet, we can offer 'Local politics' and Ceremonial' a similar simplification.

Once the simple milestones are done, assuring truth and logic, we can agree the target and 'step out' a plan around presentation to community to achieve it?

Please concur, and maybe, if its at all possible we need a non - working 'page' to develop a 'preview' of wp pages?

Sorry this might be longer than is clever but needs must.Mikewhit (talk) 08:17, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

I see that, once again, the topic has been lost in 'noise'.

It should not be necessary to have a country wide debate about correcting a guideline that is simply wrong.

Many users fail to understand that there are, probably hundreds of, pages containing incorrect information on the basis of a guideline that has absolutely no supporting 'reliable source' presented in the years to date.

Many others pick and choose which offerings to read. Others choose to refuse to accept reliable sources as, variously, 'unofficial', 'fringe' 'bias' 'personal agenda'.

Even as a newbie, I am not disposed to allow this to continue much longer.Mikewhit (talk) 09:35, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

It is only necessary to show one instance where historical county boundary is in use, to demonstrate failure of the guideline.

If you agree, I propose to do the following, for which I would appreciate your help.

On the page where the guidance is originally presented, (UK Geography, I think).

Raise a new, dated, specific challenge, on the lines of "In the guideline, the statement "xxx---" is incorrect, on the basis of reliable information as follows;

Follow with all of the verifiable supporting 'evidence' gathered throughout the years of the discussion. Include Ministerial statements, use of 'historic boundaries' by Britannica, ONS, discredit 'opinion' that the Association of British Counties is 'fringe'. I can even provide photographs of various road signs, locally.

Personally, I do not and will not accept 'oppose' on the basis of 'its too much work'. It will be made clear that 'Oppose' must cite reliable source information, otherwise, discounted without response.

If you feel that you cannot assist with this, I will understand. You can, if you wish, just ignore this post. Thanks for endeavour to date,Mikewhit (talk) 10:16, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

Head of state

We did have monarch and head of state in the intro at Commonwealth realm, but an editor deleted 'head of state' from there, about a week ago. GoodDay (talk) 00:35, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

WP guidelines on UK County boundaries

Hi. I apologise in advance for poor knowledge relating to wp edit and text conventions. I would like to offer the ONS as a reliable source to resolve this long standing dispute, not previously presented, this document can be found here . I have copied relevant text page 13 as follows " Name of the historic county in which the place is situated. The historic counties of Great Britain (also known as ancient counties, counties proper, geographical counties or traditional counties) have existed largely unchanged since the Middle Ages. Their original administrative function became the responsibility of separate administrative counties and county councils set up by the Local Government Act 1888 and the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1889. It was these administrative counties and county councils that were abolished in England and Wales in 1974 by the Local Government Act 1972, and in Scotland in 1975 by the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973, not the historic counties. " If this is discounted as insufficient, I would request assistance how to invoke admin intervention - it has been fifteen years after all.Mikewhit (talk) 22:34, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

I cannot open or find the link. Please copy the URL and paste it here between brackets, eg [xxxxxxxxx]. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 23:41, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that. [3]

Opens ONS Open access portal, click on box around UK shown on page. Opens ONS Index User Guide. Relevant text page13.Mikewhit (talk) 17:25, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Hi Roger, Is this of use, or not? Please note that I can provide pictures of a number of road signs in my area showing use of Historic County boundaries. Can I post them in wp?Mikewhit (talk) 10:03, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

@Mikewhit Yes, the ONS is very good. I think the way to handle this is simply to change the entry in the guidelines that "We (ie wp editors) do not accept the minority view that historic counties still exist with their earlier boundaries". That is all that should be done. That is what is causing all the problems. We should not get involved in how we should handle the counties problem after that because that is another topic for another discussion. If we combine the two issues we will end up with an unworkable confusing discussion, as happened before. To do that we must provide reliable sources that state or show they do exist with unchanged boundaries. There are RSs that state they or their boundaries were changed in 1974, and some editors will use those as evidence. It will then become a matter of weighing up which side's sources carry more weight. A complication is that many sources state something that can be interpreted in different ways, mainly because the word 'county' is not clearly defined. Also, please be aware, if you are not already, that reliable secondary sources are not equal. The best ones are from published academic books written by neutral experts on the subject. The ONS is also very good. The road side signs are also good but less so. We need to ask, who put them up and for what reason? If they say "You are entering the historic county of Yorkshire", that can be interpreted in different ways. Anyway, before another attempt to change the guidelines occurs we need some more RSs. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 10:54, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Roger8Roger, I have been doing more reading😒at wp.

Denial of Geo boundary not found at any source, may be original research. Interpreting sources = synth? Start with this?

The erroneous statement is all inclusive EVERY county, EVERY boundary. We only need to demonstrate 1 to discredit. In that case, the following sentence in the guideline is adequate.Mikewhit (talk) 13:09, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I am at a loss as to why editors will not allow the compromise passage to stand - surely in cases of dispute the compromise is a policy requirement?

This will allow wp:englishcounties to disambiguate the three 'county' names issue, allow individual county pagies to present their specific situation, and allow wp:places' to show the where, when and which of each.

This is much larger than at first sight. Consider Metropolitan cities and the variety of 'historical counties' involved in 'wp:place' accuracy (lack of).Mikewhit (talk) 13:41, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

By the way, I have long understood that removal of the one passage is all of the issue.Mikewhit (talk) 13:43, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

RS = reliable source, yes? If so, which RS say geo/historical boundaries were changed? If a low number, any chance to persuade them otherwise given our weight of evidence?Mikewhit (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

In any case, first point is to have that paragraph removed.Mikewhit (talk) 15:12,

The ONS document pages 13, 14 and 15 deal with Historic, Lieutanancy and Metropolitan counties. Clear that wp disambig should be used.

Of particular interest to user dave.dunsford would be specific reference p15 to Berkshire boundary, not abolished. 'County' page could choose to say it is no longer used, that would be their issue.

Please specifically advise here or my page if you, or I, should raise specific challenge at the page containing the guideline - I am happy to risk admin censure if that is what it's going to take. We can agree wording prepost if you likeMikewhit (talk) 08:15, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

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Please don't feed the troll :-) :-( Ross Finlayson (talk) 23:24, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

Adding musician lists to My Fair Lady

Hi Roger 8 Roger, I just want to clarify the reason you removed my edit of the page. Am I to understand that it is because you believe that the names of the musicians who played on the show are not notable enough for Wikipedia? Please note that these names and instruments are listed in every Playbill at every performance on Broadway, and are sourced from the same database where information about the names of actors can be found.

Perhaps you can clarify for me the level of notability required for a Wikipedia page? I did try to find information but to me it seems that Wikipedia is all about accumulating well-sourced information and publicly sharing that information.

Joshplotner (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for January 14

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City council infoboxes

Regarding your revert, I suggest that Template:Infobox legislature is the one to use. Schwede66 01:07, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, I've now added the correct template. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 05:03, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Winston Churchill(s)

I quite like your recasting of the "British Statesman" section of the American novelist's article - BUT "Winnie the Brit" was only three years younger than "Winnie the Yank". WTY was what we call an "early bloomer" - he began serious writing at an earlier age and was almost immediately popular - while WTB was a prime example of a late bloomer. Anyway - we can't really call either "young" (or "old" for that matter) in relation to each other - they were very close contemporaries. --Soundofmusicals (talk) 04:53, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Earthquake Commission (EQC) and the Canterbury earthquake sequence

Hello, Roger 8 Roger. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or draft page you started, Draft:Earthquake Commission (EQC) and the Canterbury earthquake sequence.

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it. — JJMC89 (T·C) 18:50, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm confused

In this revert's edit summary, did you accuse me of being a sockpuppet? If so, why? — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  17:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

No, not at all a sock. I thought your edit stating Walter Sutherland was a man is unnecessary because it was self-evident, as covered by DUCK. I saw that you are a long standing experienced editor so I did not bother elaborating. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 17:31, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) WP:DUCK has to do primarily with sockpuppetry, hence the confusion. WP:OBVIOUS is probably a better choice in the context of editing articles. Even WP:BLUE would convey the same meaning, though it is specifically about citing the obvious. - BilCat (talk) 21:32, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

@Mr Guye Apologies for creating confusion. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 22:56, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Your "deletion proposal" for violation of law

"Unremarkable; not notable; "... Under normal circumstances of global relative civil and judicial stability I would have taken this as a glorious joke. Nowadays I am not so sure anymore and feel tempted to see this as yet another postfactual attack on basic agreements of ethics. But let's see how it turns out. I do hope for you that law in general is still of residual value for you. -- Kku (talk) 21:19, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

Raid on the Medway "1941 Replay"

I fully agree that the section "1941 Replay" is trivial to the main article of the Raid itself. However, it is examplary to the long vivid history of two nations with intensive - friend and foe - common naval history. Is it possible to retain it in a 'Trivia section' instead of removing it altogether? (as Wikipedia indicates Wikipedia:Handling_trivia ) Eric JF Kleijssen 18:16, 11 March 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric JF Kleijssen (talk • contribs)

I think that would be fine to create a Trivia section. Roger 8 Roger (talk) 18:58, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Archiving your talk page discussions

You have nearly 70 discussions on your talk page at present, Roger 8 Roger.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to archive some of them (in particular, the ones that are no longer active)? Creating a talk page archive is pretty straightforward. Plus, it reduces the scrolling required to get to more recent, active discussions. :) 213.233.155.170 (talk) 17:50, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) Some people choose not to archive their talk pages, even though it's pretty straightforward to do and helpful to other users. And some people choose not to use registered screen names when editing Wikipedia, even though it's pretty straightforward and helpful to other users. :) - BilCat (talk) 19:00, 27 March 2019 (UTC)