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Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg

For starters, it's pretty acceptable. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Landsmannschaft_Zaringia_Heidelberg Could you remove the word "draft" please. Wname1 (talk) 12:21, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

I can't comment on whether Draft:Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg meets en:Wikipedia's standard of notability, as I don't have access to any of the sources cited (and I know very little German). But the translation needs some work. E.g. "Fuchsband", "Vandal-Band", "couleur", "percussion", "rippon", "Bursche", "beat", "Mensur", "hit", "Diemerei". "Mensur" and "percussion" are wikilinked, but apparently to different senses of those words. Maproom (talk) 12:55, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Given that this is your third attempt to create an article, and the other two, while accepted, still have tags indicating quality problems, I recommend you submit this draft to AfC and see what a reviewer thinks. Because of backlog of drafts, could be months before reviewed. Work on improving the draft. David notMD (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible on Wikipedia to use a short Mensur video even though you don't know who made the Mensur video? Wname1 (talk) 05:58, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

That would be copyright infringement. And, do not bold comments. David notMD (talk) 12:33, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Is the current article acceptable? Wname1 (talk) 12:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Wname1 I am not a reviewer. The next step is to submit the draft. There is a backlog of thousands of drafts waiting for review. It is not a queue, so could be days, weeks, or (sadly) months before it is reviewed. If Declined, the reviewer will provide reasons why. Fix those, then submit again. David notMD (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

In comparison, these articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landsmannschaft_Schottland and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corps_Saxo-Borussia_Heidelberg were probably simply accepted quickly. Although the Draft: Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg already looks sufficient for the start in the comparison of the 2 other articles. Wname1 (talk) 15:45, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Is the article Draft: Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg now acceptable for removal from the Draft: Now? Wname1 (talk) 04:47, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Wname1 The draft has been submitted to Articles for Creation, for review by a Reviewer. I strongly recommend letting this process go forward. Given backlog, it can be days, weeks or (sadly) months for a review (the system is not a queue). Do not remove Comments. If Declined, do not remove the Declined notice before resubmitting. You have an option of by-passing AfC and converting this to an article directly. I recommend against this choice. All such are reviewed by New Pages Patrol, a separate group of reviewers. Their options are accept, return to draft, nominate for deletion (AfD) and Speedy Deletion. Lastly, the fact that other stuff exists does not guarantee acceptance. Among the millions of articles, there are tens of thousands that do not meet current standards. The examples you gave were created years ago, without having gone through AfC. That said, I believe Zaringia is notable, but the draft needs more work. David notMD (talk) 14:37, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Some of the used terms are explained under Couleur. "Perkussion" is a metal thread woven into the sides of the ribbon/band. Kallewirsch (talk) 16:54, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

I had replaced "percussion" with "mantling" on a guess. Should be fixed. David notMD (talk) 17:48, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Upper band with perkussion in silver

I think that doesn´t hit the point. I placed a photo for example with two ribbons. The upper one has silver perkussion and is worn by normal members (Bursche), the lower one is without and worn by newbies (Fuchs).Kallewirsch (talk) 18:41, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

"Perkussion" is not defined in the Couleur article. David notMD (talk) 22:45, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Thats why I explained it here. In the german version of the couleur article there is some more information. Not too long to use it for mechanical translation. Kallewirsch (talk) 00:22, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

See if perkussion now used correctly in article. David notMD (talk) 00:39, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Very good. The perkussion is the reason for the small stripes shown on images of the colours, have a look at this list. Most of these terms are rarely used outside the community or if, with a different meaning. Maybe a glossary or a list of these as an article at WP would be helpful. Kallewirsch (talk) 06:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I would like to show a video from year 1913 on Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg page. This is a Sabre Mensur between Landsmannschaft Zaringia Heidelberg and Cheruskia. Do you know a video expert person on wikipedia? I tried it on https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard, unfortunately it doesn't work. Thanks, Wname1 (talk) 06:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

I have 6 or 5 such different videos form year 1913

File:VTS 01 2.webm

Mensur, 1913, Heidelberg, Zähringer

I accepted the draft. DGG ( talk ) 07:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the acceptance. Unfortunately, this user still exists: User: AntiCompositeBot / NoLicense on the page https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:VTS_01_2.webm. How can this be clarified? Sorry I made a mistake, now it's right. Wname1 (talk) 20:00, 3 July 2021 (UTC)User:AntiCompositeBot/NoLicense/tag

DGG What should I do to remove the AntiCompositeBot? Wname1 (talk) 07:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Question about template (idea?)

Good day. Is there a template where I can see my most recent contribution? I want to specifically put one on my user page. -Solarrrr... Send a message to Solar? Tappy tap tap! ⏰Time: 17:24, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@SsSsSølarRadia -75: I don't know of a template, but you could put a link to your contribution history Special:Contributions/SsSsSølarRadia_-75. You could also propose it if you have more detailed thoughts of just how the edit would display. Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:30, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@SsSsSølarRadia -75: Possibly {{UserContribs2}}, but it is a little confusing to me. RudolfRed (talk) 17:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed: Probably not that but thanks for a suggestion. Close, but not really of what I was looking for. Here is what I got in mind as a template doesn't exist. A box, border thing that surrounds what is inside. The template would automatically show the user's most recent contribution in the template, with a link to that contribution. The words that make up the link would be the contribution's reason.

You can use {{Special:Contribs/SsSsSølarRadia -75|limit=25}} Zoozaz1 talk 02:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

That's a very neat idea, Zoozaz1, that I've just experimented with on my own User Page. However, it generates the list as it was when the edit was saved and doesn't subsequently update when the page is visited after a subsequent edit elsewhere. Hence it doesn't quite do what SsSsSølarRadia -75 wanted: the behaviour would need to be more dynamic, like {{formatnum:{{#expr:{{formatnum:{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}|R}}-0}}}} which gives the current number of articles (as 6,909,176) and will increment automatically. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:53, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

I thought it updated automatically; if you look at my sandbox it should include this edit. Zoozaz1 talk 17:10, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Amusingly, after reverting my own change to my user page, I looked at the OID for the version where the page includes that template[1]. In invoking the OID, one sees the current list of recent edits, not the list that was saved when the edit itself was made, so this type of template is actually able to mislead about what was on a page in the past! Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:03, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@Zoozaz1:. This is really weird! As you say, the template updates automatically when placed within your (or my sandbox) but the identical template placed on my User Page does not: it persists in the state when saved to the page. I thought that this might be something to do with browser caching but that seems not to be the case as the two versions are now different even after closing and re-opening my browser. On the other hand, invoking the OID (above) 'does the update and gives the latest version! Any thoughts? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:23, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

That is bizarre. I really don't have a clue as to why that's happening. Zoozaz1 talk 15:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Further observation leads me to a possible answer: it takes some time for User Contributions to be updated on the various servers that the WMF use. Hence, while you can invoke the true current set using Special:Contributions for a given user, it takes a while (up to 20 minutes in my trials) for a given new edit to be reflected by using the template on another page. So, bottom line is that Zoozaz1's suggestion does indeed provide what SsSsSølarRadia -75 wanted, with a possible lag when implemented.... Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:46, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I have implanted the template to my user page. Yes, the template is causing a delay for the most recent one, but it sure does work! | Also unrelated to this topic, but do you guys get notifications from my new messages? No one was responding by the hour from my previous. -Solarrrr... Send a message to Solar? Tappy tap tap! ⏰Time: 19:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Reinstating an article

The Wiki article that relates to myself has been removed for some reason https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waqar_Mohammad (there is no article relating to me {Waqar} in this page anymore) 2A02:C7F:CC41:9300:500C:A5DA:B956:1542 (talk) 12:18, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

This is the outcome of the discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waqar Mohammad. Wikipedia only hosts articles on topics which are "notable"—a jargon word referring to the number of reliable, in-depth, independent sources available. The community has decided that this condition is not met, and so we won't host a biographhy of you. (It's not meant to be a personal slight or an insinuation that you haven't achieved great things; we're just an encyclopedia with a very specific scope.) The page has been redirected to List of Warwickshire Cricket Board List A players, where you are listed. — Bilorv (talk) 12:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

There are several players listed on that page who's biography remains on Wiki despite having exactly the same details and sources etc as mine. Happy to add additional details to make my page worth another review, so how would this be possible?

Please read WP:OSE. Other similar articles existing does not automatically mean yours can too. We can only address what we know about. If you would like to pitch in and help, you are welcome to help us identify other inappropriate articles for possible action. 331dot (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Rather than remove another 10+ articles from the same page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Warwickshire_Cricket_Board_List_A_players (which you can do if they don't meet the policy) it would be better to make these articles more worthwhile and useful to Wiki readers. I would suggest the option of reinstating the deleted article (Waqar Mohammad) within that page and giving the opportunity to present better content within that article and the others on the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:CC41:9300:A577:4BC0:E8C1:29B3 (talk) 17:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Better content would require sources, but the article was redirected because of a lack of them. Are you able to suggest any? Wikipedia's notability requirements dictate that we need substantial, independent coverage, which in your case could be profiles in newspapers or perhaps cricket magazines. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:09, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so the suggestion is to include the content that used to be at Waqar Mohammad in that list, and do the same with the other non-notable pages and redirect them? This does seem like a reasonable way forwards. In the case of the former article about you, very little of the material actually appears to have been sourced, so we can't include that without better sourcing, but I've added a sentence to the list. I would suggest that you could redirect and move some content to the list on any players with similarly-little sourcing as Waqar Mohammad had—but looking down the first few, they're all at least slightly different situations sourcing-wise. I can't implement all of your suggestion in full because it would literally take me several hours, and I'm not going to bump something off my high-priority list for this. — Bilorv (talk) 21:44, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for responding to my query. I have a few links I could immediately find below, but can share more and obviously add textual content that would be of interest to read and share. Please let me know how this can be achieved in order for the article to be reinstated once approved: ESPNCricinfo Player Profile https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/waqar-mohammad-17899 Player stats (selected games) https://staffordshirecricket.play-cricket.com/player_stats/batting/12452?rule_type_id=179&sub_tab=batting_summary&tab=batting Player stats (selected games) https://www.pitchero.com/clubs/earlswoodcricketclub/teams/98092/player/waqar-mohamed-969142/19043 Player stats (selected games) https://waterorton.play-cricket.com/player_stats/batting/4526569?rule_type_id=179 Wazir Mohammad (father) Pakistan's oldest living cricketer https://www.thenews.com.pk/tns/detail/803728-wazir-mohammad-pakistans-oldest-living-test-cricketer B'ham Evening Mail newspaper article https://1drv.ms/u/s!AoMe2qThpkcaiW4pJzEwtzfuEXgL Extensive profile on CricketArchive - but this is subscription only Thanks again.

The problem is that most of these are just lists of statistics, which is routine coverage rather than the sort of in-depth biographical coverage required by WP:NBIO. The article about Wazir Mohammad is the sort of coverage that helps demonstrate notability, but it's about Wazir Mohammad. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:24, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, but these were references and sources that you asked for. As I mentioned above, I can provide the written content that would warrant inclusion but don't know how to have the article reinstated in order to add said content. And still don't understand the basis on which around 10 profiles on the same page are still there if the criteria applied to the article in question is applied equally in those cases. However, as already said before, I'd rather have this article reinstated correctly - in line with making it interesting - than just delete more articles. I just need the access to add the content!

The written content would need to be based entirely on published sources, and I'm not seeing much evidence that enough of these exist. As for other articles, the English Wikipedia currently has 6,331,350 articles, so it's not realistic for all of the problematic ones to be identified and nominated for deletion at once. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

If you believe that enough sources do exist to meet WP:NBIO, you'd be best following the instructions at WP:YFA and submitting it as a draft for review. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Transfer from Sandbox to Publish Article

I've written an article in Sandbox and now want to Publish it. I've looked all around and instructions say to find the dropdown column above (between the star and Page, and there should be a dropdown column with the word Move. I have no such dropdown column nor any word "move". This is very frustrating. Can someone help on this. I'm new to Wikipedia Article writing and boy, they don't make it easy. Thank you, JLK Jeffrey Lee Kaufman (talk) 17:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jeffrey Lee Kaufman: See Wikipedia:So you made a userspace draft for your options, however, I can tell you that if this would end up in mainspace, it would be quickly moved back. Wikipedia may not be used as a source for Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jeffrey Lee Kaufman. An account must be autoconfirmed in order to move draft articles to the main space. That means the account must be at least four days old and have made at least ten edits. Your draft is not ready for the encyclopedia because it fails to show that this record label is a notable business. You cannot use one Wikipedia article as a reference in another Wikipedia article. Read WP:CIRCULAR. Please also read Your first article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:06, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jeffrey Lee Kaufman. I'm sorry you are having a frustrating time: but I'm afraid that that is the common experience of new editors who plunge straight into one of the most difficult tasks there is in editing Wikipedia. They don't make building a house easy either, or playing a concerto. Creating a Wikipedia article is perhaps not in the same league as those; but it is much harder than it looks, and in my view a new editor trying to create an article is like a music student who has had a couple of lessons, and tries to play a concerto. I always advise new editors to spend a few months making improvements to some of our six million existing articles, and learning how Wikipedia works, before they try it. As well as being less stressful for them, this will actually add far more to the total value of Wikipedia than most first attempts at new articles do. --ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Someone commented about one reason I cannot get my article published is that the recording label Phoenix USA, is not a notable business. Notable business indeed! There are hundreds if not thousands of business references on Wikipedia that could surely be referenced as "not notable". In any case let me be blunt. Is there anyone out there in Wikipedia land that would like to undertake to create and get published the information that clearly would take me months maybe years to get completed. I have a life to lead and would prefer not to have to devote endless hours learning everything that is necessary to play in this "sandbox". So, how would I go about getting a collaborator to work with me on this. Information would be very much appreciated. Jeffrey Lee Kaufman (talk) 00:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Help. I misspelled my Project Name and I don't know how to edit it.

I'm still pretty new so imagine my horror when I realized I misspelled my project name. How do I fix it? Thanks. --Tchula65 (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC) Tchula65 (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

The name of a draft is largely irrelevant; the reviewer, if they accept the draft (which would require you to submit it first), will move it to an un-typo'd title as part of that process. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:04, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Returnshp [sic]

That said, I don't think this would be accepted, as it's written less like an encyclopaedia article and more like a marketing pamphlet. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:07, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I pared content down to just facts. This topic has been around since 2008 but not well utilized. The pandemic has given it a greater spotlight. --Tchula65 (talk) 13:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I still perform edits, I did previously if the article was suddenly protected under WP:ARBBLP?

Recently, one of the article in my Special:Watchlist has its protection changed from pp-vandalism to pp-blp and linked with WP:ARBBLP, the protection after a year. However, I have been editing on Wikipedia for couple of years and not seen this protection before, at least on article within my watchlist. Hence, I would like to know if I can continue to edit the article as usual while following the various guidelines? I almost edit the infobox (mostly cleaning the syntax and correcting, mostly untouched if everything is in order), career section (if there is new activites, in which add it as prose), discography (adding new songs/albums, adding/editing the chart ranking or adding missing source), filmography (adding new shows or correcting the styling or adding missing source), and awards and nominations (adding new nominated or won awards with reliable source or correcting the styling or adding missing source). Fyi, I'm not involved in the WP:ARBBLP nor was it added due to my activities, checking the history log, it was likely changed to IP violating BLP policies. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 04:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: I don't know which article you're talking about, so I don't know the context. However, I'm pretty certain that you don't have to worry about it, and you can treat it as any semi-protected article (unless it's fully protected) and carry on editing like you usually do. As long as you are constructively editing the article, the page protections aren't about you. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:08, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Hi, thanks you for the reply, no worries I have been constructively editing the article just curious about such changes as I never seen it before. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:16, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: The only possible protection levels are at WP:PP. It looks like the only difference is the reason for protection, which is from vandalism to BLP violations. I have no context, so I can't tell you specifically why, but the reason for page protection shouldn't have any effect on you. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Noted, thanks you. This is the article in question, in case you needed it (apologies for not linking it earlier). — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 05:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: If you look at the logs for that page, it says that the last protection expired on June 8. A lot of BLP violations happened after that date, and it was re-protected. It's at the semi-protection level, btw. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:45, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby: Ah I see ... noted, thanks you. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 06:46, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

How to Sort an AFD after nomination?

Hi, Can anyone help me to teach how to sort an afd discussion if that is already marked for deletion? Is there any tool? Can we do this using Twinkle or page curation? for example i recently marked this page for afd but forgot to sorting. GermanKity (talk) 05:21, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@GermanKity: There seem to be a couple at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Deletion_sorting#Scripts_and_tools. However, I have not personally used any of them. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ganbaruby, Thank You for a good answer here. And i did it.GermanKity (talk) 09:43, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Is this topic notable?

Can I create an article on the list of noble lords of Genlis (like this article on list of English monarchs)? The page is under work in my sandbox, you might take a look at it. It is a translation of a section of the French article on Genlis. Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 05:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, as a ferinstance, I read within your translation: Savoyen (Savoinus) de Janly: He is the brother of Jean and his name appears in the sales charter of the Loiche mill by his little cousin Ermengarde in 1235. What reason do we have to believe this; and really, why should anyone (beyond a tiny coterie of obsessives) care? (This is an encyclopedia, not a collection of genealogical trivia.) Can't you prune the merely trivial and boil down what remains and is verifiable to a length that would allow it to fit easily within Genlis, Côte-d'Or? -- Hoary (talk) 06:03, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: Firstly, I'm not yet done with my article, so there will be many errors. And about this one, I kept it because I felt I cannot skip people out of a lineage. Now that you say I can either add on better information or just remove it, I'll do so. (Also, may I ask what "beyond a tiny coterie of obsessives" means?) Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 06:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

So I went to my sandbox to edit it as mentioned above. But I realised that majority of the people mentioned in the article have only lineage or such relation metioned as a note. For instance,

• Denise de Tenarre: She married Guillaume de Vichy, squire, Lord of Agencourt.
• Maurice I, Lord of Janly (Genley, Genleio): He was a witness in the act of foundation of the Abbey of Tart in 1132. He was the father of five sons: Hugh, Guy, Theodoric (Thierry), Ponce, and Solomon - and of a girl whose first name is not known. (This person is the second mentioned person of the first house, how do I even remove his name)

Also note that these lords/ladies are from the 11th century, so finding more information will be very difficult. Excellenc1 (talk) 07:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, it's not necessary to demonstrate the notability of each small ingredient of an article. But from what we know about these people, they seem utterly unremarkable. (They had names, they married, they reproduced. Well, all your ancestors reproduced, and all mine did too. Most of mine were married, and all had names.) I suggest that you skip any mention of people who show no sign of notability. Wikipedia is not a directory. -- Hoary (talk) 08:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: I have removed names with content from my sandbox which do not appear to be notable. Not so perfect though, the content is edited to the requirement. (You might want to give a look at my sandbox). Thank you! Excellenc1 (talk) 08:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, we can disagree about what constitutes "notability". So let's put aside sane definitions of notability and concentrate on the Wikipedia use: more or less "written up in reliable sources". You write for example:

Hugues (or Huguenin) de Janly: He abandoned the name of Montmorot and instead used Janly. He was mentioned in 1297, with his mother, then a widow, during the act of the donation of Bouzeron to the canons of Saint-Léger. In 1325, Hugues, damoiseau, entered into a contract with the abbot of Saint-Étienne de Dijon, Ponce de Courbeton, to preserve the legal and seigneurial rights over the men that the abbey possessed at Janly. He asserted his feudal rights in an act of the Tuesday before Easter in the year 1325, in which, Hugues de Janly, knight, (he was therefore armed as a knight in 1325) made semondre his vassal Guill. In 1325, Hughes made a transaction on trial with the abbey of Saint-Étienne about justice and their rights to finagle Genlis. In 1347 and 1349, Hugues receives the receipt of certain sums to which he affixed his seal (which is a fretté to the chief in charge of three cinquefoils). This seal, which is that of the lords of Janly, provides a proof that Hughes adopted the arms of the old lords, and the chief of these arms emphasizes that the Janly are already vassals of the powerful Vergy, then lords of Mirebeau. In January 1355 and March 1356, Hugues attended the States of Burgundy in Dijon. He was a very rich lord; in addition to the seigneury of Janly, he had the seigneuries or estates in Uchey, Beire-le-Fort, Ouges, Pluvault, Saulon-la-Chapelle, Mailly, Gevrey, Barges, Volnay, Saint-Loup, Lux, Givry and Mellecey. On May 5, 1345, he sold the land fiefdom owned by Marguerite, daughter of Guillaume d'Aligny, on the island of Mailly to Pierre d'Épernay. On March 29, 1359, he was a part of the armed escort accompanying Cardinal de Talleyrand-Périgord to Chalon with Hugues de Montjeu, Jehan de Champdivers and Jehan de Recey. Hugh of Janly had five children: William I, the young Hughes, William II, Huguette and Alips. He died before 1363.

(Let's also put aside questions such as whether this bloke was named Hugues, Hughes or Hugh.) Perhaps you intend to add references later, but anyway none are there now. What can't be sourced can't be asserted. So much for Wikipedia-style notability. And as for notability in a normal, non-Wikipedia sense of the word, some of this might conceivably be of interest if it weren't so abstract: "In 1325, Hughes made a transaction on trial with the abbey of Saint-Étienne about justice and their rights to finagle Genlis" (what "transaction"? whose rights? were there really "rights to finagle"?). -- Hoary (talk) 22:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Not to pile on, and we are supposed to be friendly here... but what is a "transaction on trial"? Is this a transaction about justice or a trial about justice? What does "Hughes attended the States of Burgundy" mean? Yes, clarification would be helpful. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Links to World Gazetteer don't work

Hi all, World Gazetteer is used as reference for city population sizes on pages like List of countries by largest and second largest cities, List of highest cities, List of cities in Ghana and many more. Links to World Gazetteer don't work and archived links on Wayback Machine don't work too, a message "Sorry, no offline reader allowed. You can use the download function." is returned. A message on Talk:List_of_countries_by_largest_and_second_largest_cities#World_Gazetteer_as_source indicates that the links don't work since at least 31 July 2019. Maybe www.citypopulation.de can be used as an alternative source, but it seems it contains less data. There are a lot of links to World Gazetteer, so I'm asking here how to proceed. Difool (talk) 06:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Difool. I believe the information you're looking for can be found here. A citation to a reliable source doesn't need to be available online in principle and it can still be cited as long as it's (1) considered reliable (2) used in proper context and (3) been published and is reasonably accessible. When a link to a cited source becomes "dead", it doesn't automatically lose it's value as a source; of course, it's great when everything cited in a Wikipedia article is available online, but that's not always the case. So, if you think the World Gazetteer has no value as a reliable source and you can replace it with a better source, then that probably would be OK to do; just leave an edit summary explaining why and perhaps follow up with something on the relevant article talk pages further clarifying things. However, you can also leave the citations as is, add a Template:Deadlink to them, and then add another supporting citation. If only one or two articles are going to be minimally impacted, then the first approach would probably be OK; however, if as you say WG is being cited in lots of articles, then it might be best to seek additional input at WP:RSN, a relevant WikiProject talk page or even maybe WP:RSX before going about and mass removing lots of citations from lots of different articles. There might be someone out there who's able to find archive versions of WG somewhere, even if they're behind some sort of WP:PAYWALL. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hello, I've once removed the COI tag from Renu Raj which was placed by GermanKity, see. Someone else also removed the COI tag before me, look. But German kitty is doing the same process (tagging undisclosed payment tag) again and again. This is vandalism, right? 27.59.238.4 (talk) 07:12, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It is not vandalism if the user believes in good faith that the tag is correct- and if it is correct, the user with the COI should not remove it themselves until the article has been examined. If you believe that the tag is not needed, please start a discussion with them on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 07:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any references in Renu Raj that show that she's notable. Some sources are just listings, or statements that she's been promoted; others are based on what she has said. We need independent discussion to establish notability. Maproom (talk) 08:27, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi 331dot and Maproom,Thank You for your comments here. I have strong feelings that ip address user (27.59.238.4) is the sock of User:Idhachu (creator of the article Renu Raj) who have already blocked as a sock. And i have doubt why this user is so keen to remove COI/UDP tag. I am also agreed with you Maproom, the subject is struggling for notability and the same must be discuss. GermanKity (talk) 09:40, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

In addition to posting this accusation here, IP 27.59.238.4 has posted a similar note on the Talk pages of more than one Administrator, accusing Germankity of vandalism. My thinking is that the IP should be warned. If persists, investigated for sock. Separately, I agree that the article does not establish notability for Renu Raj - basically a government bureaucrat - and should be AfD'd. David notMD (talk) 11:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom: @GermanKity: @David notMD: @27.59.238.4: the article is now at AFD: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renu Raj. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:33, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

G4 Speedy deletion mistake

Can you rewrite "Nina Aquila: Legal Eagle", because my page was deleted and they told me there's a G4 from the old one who previously deleted. I'm not reposting any page or something, I just making new and original pages. I was depressed like this. Fortunewriter (talk) 08:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

We can't rewrite it, because it's already been deleted again, so we don't know what it said. Anyway, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nina_Aquila:_Legal_Eagle shows that the topic isn't notable enough to warrant an article. Maproom (talk) 10:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Rani of Jhansi

There is so much vandalism going on by IP addresses at Rani of Jhansi. Please protect the article. Peter Ormond 💬 09:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Can you not edit WP:RPP? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 09:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@A little blue Bori: I don't know what level of protection is to be asked for. If you know, you can request there. Peter Ormond 💬 10:08, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

If it's just IPs/new users causing the vandalism, then semi-protection or CRASHlock is called for, depending on how heavily edited the page is. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 10:13, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Peter Ormond, I did it for you here, I requested temporary semi protection. I would suggest installing twinkle if you want to make more RPPs in the future. Justiyaya 10:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

New to Wikipedia

Hi, Thankyou for inviting me to the Tea House, and thankyou to KylieTastic for reviewing my first submission. I am ofcourse totally new to this and not sure if I am using Wikipedia correctly but have a keen interest in contributing to Wikipedia! I am struggling with references. Especially where there might not be many to use...how do I get around this? Thankyou in advance!

FlowerMoon593 (talk) 10:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC) FlowerMoon593 (talk) 10:59, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The review and the Comment at Draft:Holy Coves, both by experienced editors, strongly suggest that there has not been enough written ABOUT the band to establish their notability. Documenting there existence and albums is not sufficient. If you cannot find published articles about the band, there is no "get around". David notMD (talk) 12:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, FlowerMoon593, and welcome to the Teahouse. You might find the essay WP:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability informative. More generally, I think it is unfortunate that so many new editors come here thinking that the best way to contribute to Wikipedia is by creating a new article. It is often not, and most new editors can add hundreds of times as much value to Wikipedia by addressing shortcomings in existing articles (especially lack of references) than by embarking on the difficult task of creating a new article before they have learnt what that takes. --ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk page vandalism at Talk:Shem HaMephorash

I started a poll at Talk:Shem HaMephorash. So far the whole section has been removed twice by other editors. Notices to related projects link to that heading. What can I do about this talk page vandalism? Skyerise (talk) 11:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't see any substantial removal of content in the history of that talk page, Skiyerise: what "vandalism" are you referring to? By the way, vandalism has a very specific meaning in Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I now myself approve my drafts?

As of now, I have 9 drafts approved and for each of them the message in my talk page says Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. So can I approve my draft myself? Excellenc1 (talk) 12:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Looking at your Talk page history, you have established a record of successfully creating drafts and getting those approved at AfC. If you feel that your quality is the same on your current drafts, then yes, you can move your drafts to main space without going through AfC. There will remain the possibility that when those get looked at by editors of the New Page Patrol, could be tagged for needing more references, reverted to draft, nominated for deletion or even Speedy deleted. For your specific example Draft:The Good Burger, I have doubts it qualifies for corporate notability. (WP:NCORP). Consider letting it go through AfC, to see what a reviewer thinks. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Looking For Wikipedia Page From Which This Equation Was Screenshot

Hello,

Looking for the wikipedia page from which this image was screenshot. All, to date, indications indicate that this equation exists somewhere in the realm of Lagrangian and double pendulum mathematics / physics. Any way to specifically locate the page, and original image, using this information?

Kind Regards,

Daisy1234 Image: https://www.flickr.com/photos/183838731@N04/51287775604/in/dateposted-public/ 86.28.166.2 (talk) 14:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

That is a pretty specific question. You might have more luck asking at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mathematics where editors who are interested in math topics are more likely to read it. Regards SoWhy 16:26, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Are you sure this is from Wikipedia? Searching for pieces of the syntax that would have been used to write this equation turns up nothing for me. Could it be from somewhere else? - Astrophobe (talk) 16:48, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

This was asked also in a reddit post (six times actually) some ideas were given and the same question of Astrophobe has appeared in the comments but no answer was given either there which is important as it should be useful to know if the search space is empty or not before start looking. Dabed (talk) 15:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Date of Death unknown

What do I do if I can't find a date of death? Thanks. --Tchula65 (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Tchula65 (talk) 14:47, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Tchula65: If you can confirm the subject is dead but cannot find their date of death, categorize them under Category:Year of death unknown (if the subject has lived a long time ago and there is no reason to believe that such information exists) or Category:Year of death missing (if the subject died recently and thus information of their date of death should exist somewhere). If the year of date is know but not the exact date, use Category:Date of death missing. If you provide more details on the subject, we can maybe be of more assistance. Regards SoWhy 16:24, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. The details are, I have a list of children born to my subject and can only confirm the date of death for one of the three from family genealogy records. Their respective birth dates are 1885 and 1889 so it is practical to assume they are no longer living. Is this the detail you are requesting? Thank you. --2601:242:500:C18:4919:301E:7270:45C6 (talk) 16:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@2601:242:500:C18:4919:301E:7270:45C6: we would indeed assume that anyone born before 1901 is deceased (so we can assume they would have to be at least 150 or so here!) Nosebagbear (talk) 23:08, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Images missing

Hi, I have been editing my draft and when I clicked the preview button my images all disappeared??? Any idea why this could be? Also when i tried to insert them back into my draft it wouldnt allow it? I dont know what to do next :/ Thankyou in advance FlowerMoon593 (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2021 (UTC) FlowerMoon593 (talk) 15:01, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The images were removed by User:Theroadislong due to their questionable copyright status. See Wikipedia:Copyrights § Guidelines for images and other media files. Kleinpecan (talk) 15:14, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

How to added death age?

I was editing Harmoko, which he dies on 4 July 2021, but the age death on death date didn't appear. And how to added death age? Lkas123 (talk) 15:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, to the Teahouse, Lkas123. You should use the {{Death date and age}} template. Kleinpecan (talk) 15:36, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Category

Can anybody create Category:Sreenidhi Deccan FC? It is for a football club in India that turned fully professional. There is also need to create all of the Subcategories for this category. I'm not doing it because it seems complex for me to do. Hoping someone will help me. Thank you. Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 15:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 15:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ken Tony:  Done based on Category:Chennai City F.C. and its subcats. Please start populating the categories Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 18:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks mate! Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 18:32, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

How to write about a company

please let me know how to write about a company 92.97.42.246 (talk) 16:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do in Wikipedia. After you gain some experience in editing existing articles, try Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:21, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I create wikipedia article for my client?

Can I create wikipedia article for my client? Hablus (talk) 16:04, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Hablus and welcome to the Teahouse. Short answer: You shouldn't. Wikipedia is not for promotion and someone paying you to create an article will usually not end well for you or your client. I will drop you a formalized template on your talk page that includes more details on this. Regards SoWhy 16:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

delete draft in my sandbox

delete draft in my sandbox? I have a Sandbox article draft that I want to delete. How is that done? BrucePL (talk) 16:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi BrucePL, you should Request CSD per G7, by simply copying any one of these templates into the page you want to delete.

{{Db-g7}}, {{Db-author}}, {{Db-blanked}}, {{Db-self}} -- Justiyaya 17:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Please how can I publish this content

I paid a company to help me publish these profiles (https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/anydos and https://everipedia.org/wiki/lang_en/annastasia-onyinyechukwuka-oraegbunem) on Wikipedia but is over a year now and they could not help me. Please could you help me? Thank you in advance for responding. 99.245.38.118 (talk) 18:19, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You should never pay a third party to get something published on Wikipedia. If the subjects are notable, they'll be eventually written about by interested editors. I'm afraid your money was spent in vain. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:17, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts (volunteers) advise, but are not article writers. My own opinion, looking at those two websites, neither is Wikipedia-worthy yet. See WP:TOOSOON David notMD (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding page number to a source that is cited multiple times?

Apologies for any formatting issues! I recently added a page number for the [13] reference on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobby_Lobby_smuggling_scandal. However, the source is cited twice in the article, so the page number I added is only applicable for the 13.1 citation and not the 13.0 one. What's the preferred way to go about this? StalkerFishy (talk) 19:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

@StalkerFishy: Welcome to the Teahouse. I'd suggest removing the page number from the actual citation, and use {{rp}} to display the page numbers right after the citation. An example: —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:30, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Beautiful. I appreciate the help! StalkerFishy (talk) 20:53, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

References

how does the teahouse function

how do i communicate with people ?? Auxcillia (talk) 20:50, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Ask a question here, or make a request here. -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

GA problem

I was looking through GA nominees recently, and I accidently clicked on a page and signed up to review Mariner 1 when I didn't mean to. Is there any way to undo this action? I don't see a revert button... Kokopelli7309 (talk) 22:11, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Kokopelli7309

@Kokopelli7309: Wikipedia:Good article nominations/Instructions § Step 2: Starting a review: "If you are in a situation where you absolutely cannot continue to review the article, please contact the nominator. Consider helping them find a new reviewer. If necessary, leave a note on the GA nominations talk page." Kleinpecan (talk) 02:01, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Kokopelli7309 (talk) 02:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Primary sources in regards to esports tournament placings

Hey! I'm working on a draft article for the MC Championship series of Minecraft tournaments. So far I've just been collecting information from various sources. I do think I have quite a few good secondary sources regarding a lot of information about the topic, however, one thing I'm lacking in is sources that mention the winners of the earlier events. I feel kind of weird excluding them, however. Would it be acceptable to use a primary source for the dates and winning teams of these earlier events? I don't really feel optimistic about the possibility of a reliable secondary source covering these past events retroactively, however, I do know that the winners are always announced on the official Twitter, so there is at least some concrete documentation of the past winners.

Any insight here would be much appreciated. I'm still new to editing and I'm kind of anxious about the whole thing and wanting to make sure everything is as good as it can be, haha.. Serilly (talk) 22:15, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:MC Championship   melecie   t 23:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Serilly I think you'd get more specifically relevant advice at WikiProject Video games. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

How to solve "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia."?

Hello there all, I hope you are doing well in healty during golbal pandemic!

Recently i published, a topic on wikipedia, But after few minutes, It was rejected by dear TheBirdsShedTears or Teahouse, Reason was Contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. Now how to remove that error, and publish to public.

I was prepared long topic, But becuase of some volaiton like Ads or Promoting words, I deleted lot of parapagh texts. so it become smaller topic. but everying is correct and i think there maybe no something wikipedia's againest policy.

Now, I need someone to help, I will share the topic again with him, And i would say to that if there are error you have the permission to remove or add extra words to my topic.

My Username: ImanSalvador ImanSalvador (talk) 22:46, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

This is about User:ImanSalvador/sandbox. Its content needed/needs a lot more work before being converted to an article, but description of an Afghan newspaper seems to me fully in accord with the purpose of Wikipedia. (Of course, I may be overlooking something important.) I invite TheBirdsShedTears to explain how the draft was/is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia, and why ImanSalvador should stop. -- Hoary (talk) 22:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The problem is Reliable Sources .... I think. I could not find any in a quick Google search. Also possibly better to start in language of the news outlet --> https://ps.wikipedia.org/ Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:22, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

The newspaper only exists on Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and other similar websites. It is not even approved by Google Adsense. As I can see, it may take several years for the newspaper in question to meet the minimum requirements of notability. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 05:35, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

User Pages

Can I please have a general idea about what to put on user pages? Thanks! IFvoltronwasadragon... (talk) 01:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)IFvoltronwasadragon...

Hello, IFvoltronwasadragon... Your user page is to tell other editors about your interests, work and plans for improving the encyclopedia. You can find out more at Wikipedia:User pages. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:21, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikiprojects

Hello, where can I find Wikigroups or projects related to sacred art? Like for my Draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Timothy_Verdon Xavierwraith (talk) 01:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Xavierwraith, You can browse for the Projects from the WikiProjects. To See the Full list, see the Bambot List. Thank you!!!Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:37, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

James Shigeta Actor

AWARDS AND LEGACY

In 2007 he set up the James Shigeta scholarship for Asian studies with the university of Hawaii 2406:3003:2005:4235:9451:6544:8880:7327 (talk) 02:45, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears you have a suggestion for the James Shigeta article. You can post your suggestion on the article's talk page - Talk:James Shigeta - along with a WP:RS, and ask for assistance updating the article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 03:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Controversies and criticism

Hello Every Major Sports League Controversies and criticism so i think this needs to be added for the NFL

Controversies and criticism Main article: National Football League controversies

The NFL has been involved in a number of controversies over the years and has received a significant amount of criticism.[145] Kartigang038885 (talk) 02:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse @Kartigang038885, Kindly let us know if you have any questions. The above info is just a Paragraph. Thank you!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 02:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kartigang038885: National Football League controversies already exists as a separate article. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 03:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kartigang038885: Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears that you would like a new section added to the National Football League called "Controversies and criticism". You can be bold and create it yourself, or you can make a suggestion on the article's talk page: Talk:National Football League. Be sure to provide a reliable source that can be used for reference #145. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

External links

Draft:Gopinath Ravi https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gopinath_Ravi This is my draft. I am creating an article for a model. He is famous personality in Instagram. So can I attach his instagram account in External links? Is that approved? Kamesh Aravind P (talk) 04:43, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse @Kamesh Aravind P. Yes, you can add the External Links like Instagram, Youtube, IMDB and others. If possible, adding them under a separate Heading would be good. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 05:01, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kamesh Aravind P: Welcome to the Teahouse. There's more guidance as to what is acceptable as external links here. What Jocelin Andrea said would go under links to generally avoid. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the Info @Tenryuu 🐲, will rectify the next time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jocelin Andrea (talk • contribs) 05:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with refill in regards to page: The Sentence is Death

Created the page: The Sentence is Death. Shortly afterwards it received the tag that it was using bare URLs. There is only one bare URL, but when running refill I receive the error message: “Redirected to homepage”. What do I do now? Thank you. Anastasios999 (talk) 05:28, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Anastasios999, you have cited the first Reference correctly by using the Template:Cite. But the others are just used as bare links; which means you have only referred to a bare site without adding info about it. The first one was cited well. See WP:CITE for more info on citing references. Thank you!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 05:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Dear Writers

Dear Writers, I have written my first article on Wikipedia and wonder how long it will take to be published?  Lilly Antonia (talk) 07:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Lilly Antonia Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your edit history has no contributions(other than this post); but if you have a draft ready to submit through Articles for Creation, it could take up to 5 months to be approved and formally placed in the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 07:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

If you link us the page, we can give you more information, but as 331dot says the process is incredibly backlogged as we get hundreds of submissions per day, many of which take several minutes to properly assess, and we have barely a double-digit number of active reviewers. Reviews are done in no particular order so it could be 24 hours or 5 months. — Bilorv (talk) 10:43, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding the Voice or Translation Text to the name of my Draft: Kootapuli

Hi there, I would just thank @User:Dan art for their edition of my Draft:Kootapuli. I just would like to add the translated name to the Draft. I have already added it, but kindly anyone please check if that is fine. Thank you!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 10:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 10:18, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea, hi! Do you mean the Tamil name (கூட்டபுளி) that you added at the very beginning of the article? It is usually fine, and many many articles have such native names included. But it gets complicated in case of India. Basically, because India is so large and so diverse, allowing one translation leads to other people wanting to add translations in their own language and it gets messy quite quickly. So, there is community consensus that no Indic scripts should be added to articles about the country of India. See WP:INDICSCRIPT. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Twinkle needed on KS Wiki

Can someone Import twinkle on KS Wiki?

Can anyone here help me to get twinkle on Ks Wiki as we are struggling there to maintain the project. Since I here came across twinkle few months ago, it is really hard to maintain Ks.Wikipedia without twinkle. I will be really thankful if someone can help me with it. Thankyou. _signed, Iflaq ^(talk) 10:32, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Iflaq It looks like Twinkle can be setup for other languages, Wikipedia talk:Twinkle seems to be place to discuss this (I see you've already done this), and Wikipedia:Twinkle/Localisation has some code information about it. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:48, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Joseph2302, Thankyou for taking time to put ears to my issue. I already had made a request at Twinkle talk but could not interest editors to make it happen. Since I am not pro at coding, I am requesting some one more senior in the field to do it. I will be very happy if you ping someone who will be interested. Thankyou. _signed, Iflaq ^(talk) 10:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Doppelgänger accounts

When is the best time to start making Doppelgänger accounts? Kayree kh (talk) 11:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Kayree kh: Welcome to the Teahouse. Are you concerned that someone may be trying to impersonate you? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:43, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

No. I was just curious when was the best time. Kayree kh (talk) 12:51, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Given that WP:DG says that such accounts are not to be used for editing, I can't see the point unless your username is something which would be easily impersonated, which isn't the case here. You may have been thinking about alternate accounts (WP:VALIDALT), which can be useful if you regularly edit from a public computer, for example. If you do create such an account, Kayree kh, you should mark them with {{User alternative account|Kayree kh}}, so as not to be accused that the extra one(s) are sockpuppets. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Atheism Page

I would like to add [https:/atheistshelping.org/ Atheists Helping the Homeless] as an external link to the Atheism page. Is it allowable? Can you help me please?

 Satxjoe (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Satxjoe Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have a purpose in doing so other than just wanting to tell the world about it(i.e. promote it), please bring it up on the article talk page for discussion. Wikipedia is not merely a collection of links. 331dot (talk) 12:28, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

New term article rejected

I just created an article regarding a new term in the industry, there is not many external articles about it, but it has been talking a lot in the industry like in industry conferences. Is this kind of new term not acceptable in wikipedia? I have tried to link to companies pages that offering related products/services, but unfortunately my article got rejected. A bit disappointing since my intention is to bring in new updated information happening in the financial world and it was my first trial. Still want to learn why and hopefully do it in a better way next time. Awg2018 (talk) 12:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Awg2018 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, new terminology generally does not merit a Wikipedia article, see WP:NEOLOGISM. This term must receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources, showing that it is in widespread use, in order to merit an article. 331dot (talk) 12:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Your draft was declined, not rejected, which means it might be able to be improved to the point where it was acceptable. However, a cursory glance shows it is in poor shape currently. For example it says Everyone in the finance industry knows.... Really? Do you have a reliable source that says that and could it even conceivably be true? Also, you need to read WP:SOLUTION and your first article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:25, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Everyone

I am new to Wikipedia. I want to know how to be a good Wikipedian? Katie Allie (talk) 13:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse @Katie Allie, you can starting contributing towards the wellness of Wikipedia by creating articles on your own interest. You can start editing articles and start creating articles when you become an autoconfirmed user. See Wikipedia: Your first article for more info. There are a lot more to go! Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 14:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Contrary to what Jocelin Andrea wrote, new editors find creating articles incredibly difficult, as they do not understand all the rules and guidelines. Such attempts are often declined for inadequacies or else outright rejected as having no potential for becoming an article. Better advice is to commit to improving existing articles. That can range from copyediting, to adding adequately referenced content, to removing content that is wrong or not germane, and monitoring articles for vandalism. Only with experience, consider creating an article. Newbies often find the tutorial at Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure to be very helpful. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: ;@David notMD: Thank you both for your tips and suggestions. I will try to follow Community guideline first before editing any article. Although, I have recently edited the article Sword Art Online Progressive: Aria of a Starless Night but I am not sure that how much I have improved the article. Can you all review my edits? and suggest some addition and substraction on the mentioned link article? Katie Allie (talk) 17:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Katie Allie, I've looked at your edits of that article. Almost all seem constructive – as I've no knowledge of or interest in the field, I didn't check. I see you replaced "afterwards" by "afterward", which I can assume (I'm British) is standard American usage. You replaced "announced on September 19" by "announced in September 19", which I think is wrong in any dialect. But don't worry about that, it can easily be changed. It seems to me you're doing a great job. Editing articles as you have done is fine. But as David says, inexperienced editors find creating new articles very difficult. Maproom (talk) 07:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Yidnekatchew Tessema picture, passed away 1987

Greetings! Question, i want to add a picture to his article, and i will be creating a sports section in Amhara people page including pictures of athletes. He was a Ethiopian sports icon. however it's not clear who holds copyright over his pictures, he died in 1987 that is more than 25 years, can i add a picture? Thanks Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC) Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 13:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Welcome to the Teahouse! Copyright can be challenging to determine, and is something taken seriously at Wikipedia. The experts at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions would be better suited to help you with this. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thanks i will try there. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 23:50, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Talk page archiving

Hello, do we have an option to archive our talk page discussions similiar to that of the these articles. Like some sort of script or adjusting preferences in gadgets? Pillechan (പിള്ളേച്ചനോട് പറ) 14:03, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Pillechan Please see H:ARC#Automated archiving, there are two types of archiving bots available for use. You can compare which bots you would like using the comparison table. Both bots are quick and easy to setup, you can check out the documentation on how to setup for Cluebot III here or for Lowercase sigmabot III here. In case, you want the same bot used in Teahouse, Lowercase sigmabot III is what you want. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 14:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Need a Clarification

Hi there! So, I just got my second article approved. And the reviewer has left a comment of:

"Since you have made at least 10 edits over more than four days, you can now create articles yourself without posting a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for creation if you prefer"

Does this mean that I can create article directly into Wikipedia's Mainstream without review? Or it does mean that there would be no review for my next article?

Kindly clarify the aforementioned questions. Thanks in advance!!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 14:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 14:11, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: It just means that you have the technical ability to create new articles directly in mainspace by clicking any red link and starting editing. Wether thats a good Idea or not is often case-dependent and depends on your skills and knowledge in the topic area, particular about the special notability criteria in some cases. You may still create and submit drafts to AfC, if you are unsure wether its ready for mainspace. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Jocelin Andrea: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you choose to create articles directly in mainspace, the Wikipedia:New Page Patrol would review your article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Given your past experiences (more article failures than successes) I recommend continuing using AfC. You should know that if your skip AfC, reviewers at New Pages Patrol can do everything from leave it be, tag that it needs more references, return it to draft, start an Articles for Deletion, or initiate Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks you three @Victor Schmidt, @GoingBatty, and @David notMD. But I also have another doubt. I would follow what @David notMD suggested.

Is there any way that I or anyone can remove the messages of my article being rejected from my talk page? I just planned to start a whole new Talk Page. Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 15:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

For information on what you may or may remove from your user talk page, see WP:REMOVED. Note, however, that editors can see in the page history what has been removed. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Jocelin Andrea: There is no mechanism to start a new talk page, but you can archive or delete messages once you have read them. See Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:14, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Subpages

Which tag are we supposed to place if we wish to delete a subpage created by ourself? Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 15:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC) 

@Ken Tony: Try {{db-self}}. GoingBatty (talk) 15:49, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! Ken Tony ^{Shall we discuss?} 15:59, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

How to delete/remove comments from my own talk page?

Can anyone please let me know the steps on how to delete/remove comments from my own talk page? Manalijain (talk) 16:45, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Manalijain. The simplest way is to edit the page and remove all the sections you no longer need. Your Talk Page is your own and you can remove more-or-less anything from it (the do's and don'ts are explained at WP:OWNTALK). Anything you do remove will still be available for others to see in the History of the page and other people will assume you have "read and understood" anything you do remove. Importantly, you must never edit someone else's comment to change its meaning but of course you can just revert any vandalism by "undo" on the vandal's edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thank you! Manalijain (talk) 06:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Help on Article Neutrality

Hello! I am currently working on the draft of an article regarding James E. Stewart that has been declined for the following reasons:

"This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms that promote the subject." & "This page appears to have been written to praise its subject rather than to describe the subject neutrally. Wikipedia is written from a neutral point of view. If this draft is resubmitted without being reworked, it may be nominated for deletion. You may ask for advice about the tone of articles at the Teahouse.

This draft is still written in a non-neutral fashion. On the one hand, the subject probably does satisfy general notability. On the other hand, there is no reason to think that the current submitter will be able to write a neutrally worded article, whether in the year 2021 or the year 2022 or any other year. This draft is being declined for now rather than rejected, only because the subject probably is notable. Before resubmitting this draft, either ask for advice at the Teahouse or find a collaborator. If this draft is resubmitted in approximately its current form, it will be rejected."

I had submitted the article for review previously and received the same reasons, so I went back through and got rid of what I thought were any non-neutral/peacock phrases, but it seems I didn't completely. If someone could read the draft and explicitly point out the parts that are non-neutral, I would be most grateful.

Thank you! JorodHistory (talk) 16:55, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:James E. Stewart. Deor (talk) 17:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Major weakness is that all but a few refs are to the book about Stewart. Surely there were newspaper articles about him? These do not need to accessible online. David notMD (talk) 19:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

There are a few articles about him, but they're all short and lack the more specific information the book provides, so I only used the articles as sources when it was something that the book didn't mention.

Change signature

I want to change my signature. Can someone help me to change? also can someone suggest me some signature? I lack creativity in creating my own signature. Katie Allie (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC) Katie Allie (talk) 17:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Katie Allie, welcome to the teahouse. What two colo(u)s do you like most? -Justiyaya 18:26, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Justiyaya: rainbow colour and yellow colour Katie Allie (talk) 18:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Katie Allie: These are my designs, some of them might be hard to read because they are in yellow. (These are not signatures by users, these are designs)

KatieAllie (Hard to read, taken partly from the design here)

KatieAllie

KatieAllie

Bold versions probably better in readability

KatieAllie

KatieAllie

Use source editor to copy the design that you like and paste it into your preferences.

-- Justiyaya 19:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Justiyaya: Thanks a lot. Katie Allie (talk) 05:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I start a business with your tea House on my place location

Buisness  Galib8076 (talk) 18:20, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a venue for promoting your business. RudolfRed (talk) 18:24, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Galib8076, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, it is against our policy to use this platform for commercial purposes thus it is not possible to use Wikipedia for business(of any sort) you are however welcome to become an editor here just like myself. We are sorry if this wasn’t the feedback you may have anticipated. Celestina007 (talk) 19:24, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

You are welcome to walk into the Teahouse with your laptop, buy a cup of tea, sit down at a table, connect to the free wi-fi and conduct online business: but first you have to find the Teahouse. Where is it? We're not telling. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.0.163 (talk) 10:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

What is the point of SNGs?

I've started opening some deletion discussions and I've come across WP:SNG occasionally, but I don't understand what the point of them is. For instance, WP:WEBCRIT says "that all articles must conform with the policy on verifiability to reliable sources, and that non-independent and self-published sources alone are not sufficient to establish notability" and further states that "These criteria are presented as rules of thumb for easily identifying web content about which Wikipedia should probably have an article. In almost all cases, a thorough search for independent, third-party reliable sources will be successful for content meeting one or both of these criteria. However, meeting these criteria is not a guarantee that Wikipedia will host a separate, stand-alone article on the website." That sounds a lot like the page in question would need to meet the requirements of WP:GNG. Similarly, WP:RPRGM states that "the presence or absence of reliable sources is more definitive than the geographic range of the program's audience alone," which again seems to indicate that the radio program would need to meet the basic requirements of WP:GNG. WP:BOOKCRIT is similar too as most of the criteria would almost necessarily lead to the topic also meeting WP:GNG. Are there actually cases of pages meeting an SNG while also not meeting GNG? TipsyElephant (talk) 19:22, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant, the answer to the latter part of your question is yes, a professor or academic can meet any criterion from WP:PROF (an SNG) and not pass GNG and it would be sufficient for a standalone article. Celestina007 (talk) 19:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

TipsyElephant, the purpose of SNGs is to give editors an various easy to use tools to determine when articles in a broad topic area are highly likely to pass the GNG or, in some cases, WP:BASIC. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 and Cullen328: so generally SNGs aren't used to determine whether an article deserves a stand alone article but on rare occasions it can. Is it possible for a subject to meet WP:WEBCRIT or WP:RPRGM and receive a stand alone article without simultaneously meeting GNG? These are the SNGs I come across most frequently and I just want to know if it's even possible for this scenario to occur. TipsyElephant (talk) 19:49, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant, In simple terms without much verbose, an SNG AFAIK is used to support GNG or rather serve as an alternate route. Some SNG's expressly state that if a criterion from that SNG is met they quality for a standalone article. I mean, see WP:NACADEMIC. Celestina007 (talk) 20:03, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: In my side of the Wikisphere, WP:NSOCCER is a pretty good example. The requirement is just played... in a competitive game between two teams from fully professional leagues, which results in a huge number of stubs. It probably goes without saying that I'm not a fan of that SNG. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 21:31, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Editor's rights for the English Wikipedia?

Hello everyone, I would like to add an article to the English Wikipedia but until now I have full author's rights only in my German "home" (in case this page is accessible for you - here is my global account information). As the two projects work on very similar principles: Is it possible to be granted author's status directly? Thx! ReMü77 (talk) 19:29, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ReMü77. You will be autoconfirmed and able to create articles when you have made three more edits on English Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:37, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@ReMü77:(edit conflict) I have to disagree on you, the english Wikipedia and the german Wikipedia are quite different. For an example, on the german Wikipedia, buisnesses with 1000 staff members are presumed to be inclusionable, while we don't have such a rule here. As these projects are quite differnt, it would be unwise to let you create a new article directly in mainspace. You are however more than welcome to create a draft using the article wizard. I am going to post a welcome on your talkpage in a minute. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:39, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

emails to a User

A few times I have received emails that appear to originate from within Wikipedia. I can't seem to find out how to do this. I think there are times when Users would like to contact each other offline. How is it done? BrucePL (talk) 20:57, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Emailing users. Kleinpecan (talk) 21:17, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @BrucePL: See Wikipedia:Emailing users. If you've provided an email address in your preferences, go to someone else's userpage and you'll find a button saying "email this user", which is located on the left hand list of links under "Tools". This only works if the other user provided an email address to Wikipedia and did not disable this function. A word of caution: Wikipedia works best through public communication (that is, through Talk pages) for transparency purposes, and I know of many users that would much prefer messages about Wikipedia to be on Wikipedia. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 21:21, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@BrucePL: You might want to check out Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo where you can set up automated e-mails for various events. These are mainly for system messages to inform you for example that someone has pinged you (as here) and are helpful if you don't log in to Wikipedia very often. I have mine set up to send one email a day at most. As has already been mentioned, it is best not to contact people via their email and if anyone adds something to your Talk Page you will get a system message to say so if you have these preferences set correctly. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

Can someone approve the edit request on Talk:Pikachu#Semi-protected edit request on 4 July 2021, pretty appreciated if someone made it. 180.194.134.226 (talk) 22:41, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

There is a backlog at CAT:ESP and your request is not very old, please be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 23:05, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! In the future, I suggest you post one suggestion at a time. Some editors will shy away from a multi-step request with 30 references to review. GoingBatty (talk) 00:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Categorization of my Article: Kootapuli

Hi there! I have got my article Kootapuli approved earlier yesterday. But now, a reviewer has left a comment that it needs to be categorized. And also it seems like I need to add additional citations for verification.

Kindly let me know how to do these. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 23:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The only maintenance tag I can see on the article makes references to sources. You may need to read the trio of WP:RS, WP:REFB/WP:CITE. Celestina007 (talk) 00:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you @Celestina007, I just have added a couple of references, kindly check them if possible. Thanks in Advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea, what was put on your article was a tag of which you are allowed leeway to remove if you have addressed the issues. Celestina007 (talk) 00:33, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I added a category to the article and removed the tag, which was previously visible at the bottom of the article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Question

Is Logopedia a source or not? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 02:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@ItsJustdancefan: Logopedia is a Fandom site, and "Fandom wikis are considered generally unreliable because open wikis are self-published sources", per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Fandom. GoingBatty (talk) 04:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

My Edits in Prakrit

I added a reliable source with no allegation towards anyone and just a unbiased viewpoint. It was correlated to other sources as well ehich say the same thing therefore i posted it with one resource. Also, it is a mythbuster with multiple viewpoints. Why can't I post it? Akapro990 (talk) 03:39, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Akapro990: Welcome to the Teahouse. I cannot speak to the reliability of the source you used (and you should ask the reverting editor on Talk:Prakrit what their issues are with the source), but the tone of your added content is not suitable for an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Akapro990:. Also you should not add whole paragraphs and then mark the edit as WP:MINOR, and please use edit summaries to explain your edits.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 06:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Update a page PIFA SPORTS

The PIFA SPORTS page needs to be updated.

I have made changes with the latest information but it has been reversed by a bot. 2405:201:A:A126:5D09:D748:C9EC:7B9C (talk) 05:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi anon, welcome to the teahouse. You should cite the update by updating the citation and updating "as of 25 March 2015 source". Justiyaya 06:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Why my article is declined?

Why my article on Abhijit Tripathy is rejected? Abhijit2505 (talk) 06:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Abhijit2505: The reason is listed in this banner that you removed from the draft. You need to include reliable, independent sources to show that your subject is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. All of your references are written by the subject, which are not independent. To better understand Wikipedia's concept of notability, see WP:N. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:39, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Declines and Comments must stay with drafts until drafts accepted, as which time the reviewer will remove. I restored those. David notMD (talk) 08:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Given your User name, I am guessing that this is an attempt at an article about yourself. See WP:AUTO. David notMD (talk) 08:29, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Fourth of July shootings

On July 6, 2021, I saw about 150 people killed on shootings accross of the United States. Lkas123 (talk) 07:14, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Lkas123: The shootings are documented in news reports, and if a specific incident is notable, a Wikipedia editor may work on an article. Do you have a specific question about editing Wikipedia? ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Lkas123: Sadly, mass shootings in the US are very common, but Wikipedia is not the news.Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:29, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Submission not accepted

Can I ask your staff to create an article. Because my submission are not accepted. Topsiii (talk) 07:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Topsiii. There are no "staff" on Wikipedia; it is a volunteer-run project. Employees of the Wikimedia Foundation, which runs Wikipedia and several other projects, may occasionally intervene in order to prevent legal trouble or personal harm, but creating and editing articles is not their job.

Your draft, Draft:Lillian Culver, is currently waiting for review. It has not yet been accepted nor declined. Be patient, as there are currently 3,842 other articles awaiting for review. Kleinpecan (talk) 07:39, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Need Guidance in creation of Draft:Vivek Verma.

Hello I need assistance in creating a draft of a Singer, fothat draft I am providing some references, Can someone help me in drafting it as per the wiki guidelines? also I want someone to review if these sources would be enough to make it pass or shall I drop the idea to draft it, Thanks

References

• The Hindu
• The Diplomat
• Hindustan Times
• Milenio
• Rajasthan Patrika
• Times of India
• Indian Express
• News 18 Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 07:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

suryabeej, to establish that he's notable enough for an article, we'll need reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of him. The Times of India article is only three sentences long, and all the others are reporting what he said, so aren't independent. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

To elaborate: most of those sources are interviews with a bit of commentary mixed in, even though they don't look like it from first glance. Interviews are primary sources and don't contribute to notability. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 07:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ganbaruby, @Maproom thanks but if we talk as per User:RoySmith/Three best sources ain't This, This and This makes him pass it? cuz these three are not at all the Primary Sources Thanks Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 08:02, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Suryabeej: I can't read the first one, so I'm not going to comment on it. I'd call the both the second and the third one interviews, especially since both rely heavily on what he says and build off of it to describe what he does. Both are also written in a promotional tone. The second source's last sentence uses "signs off", which also imply an interview. The general gist here is that the sources are not independent of the subject, meaning that we can't show that unrelated organizations write about Verma without him giving some incentive to do so, and therefore Verma is not notable enough as a person yet. As I understand it, Wikipedia offloads the decision of what's "important" enough for an article to our reliable sources. That being said, if the first source is and independent source and you have more like it, feel free to use them as indicators of notability; Wikipedia does not consider foreign language sources inferior. If you can show notability, information stated as a fact in these links may be used as sources to back up information. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 08:25, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

" When I edit, do I have to add where I got the info from. The exact place or link."Lookylo (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Lookylo (talk) 07:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Lookylo. Yes, it is a core policy of Wikipedia that all information be verifiable. Happy editing! Kleinpecan (talk) 07:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

This sandbox is in the article namespace. Either move this page into your userspace, or remove the template.

Hi. I have just moved a new article entitled "Chiral analysis" from my sandbox to Wikipedia article space. I am getting an alert: Template:User sandbox

I would appreciate if some one could assist me to resolve the issue.Valliappan Kannappan (talk) 08:13, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Valliappan Kannappan I have removed that parameter now, Cheers Surya^{beej   ⋠talk⋡} 08:17, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Text edits to an artist biography - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Fiddes -

I keep adding in text he, Christopher Fiddes, has approved and it keeps being reverted by one of your editors. What's on the page now is just four paragraphs whereas I added about four more. This artist is 86 and holding his first retrospective show - I am doing his publicity for free, as a favour, and would really like this extra info to be on his Wiki page. Can I/you do anything to make it permanent and stop it being deleted? I would also like to add a pic of him to his biography box and one or two more pics of his paintings, ideally. Scolopaxs (talk) 08:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

As was pointed out in the edit summary in the article history, your additions were unsourced. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Closing a change request

Hello, I have updated a change request from the backlog. How do I mark it as changed? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 10:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Occasionalpedestrian: Welcome to the Teahouse. I assume this has to do with Talk:Trollpak. Looking at the documentation for {{request edit}}, you can either change it to {{request edit|A}} or {{request edit|answered=yes}} to mark it as implemented. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:15, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Can't add a link in an infobox

Hi everyone !

I've tried to add a link in an infobox using the double square brackets, but the text only show as... simple text.

Have I missed something ? Motherofcities (talk) 11:50, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Motherofcities - without knowing the article, it is difficult to comment, which article is it?
I suspect the article has WP:Pending changes protection, so your edits will not be visible until a confirmed editor has approved them - Arjayay (talk) 11:59, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Motherofcities Assuming you're talking about Eva Yaneva (the only article you've edited), then links to articles are case-sensitive. The article is Volero Le Cannet (with capital L), and you were trying to link to Volero le Cannet (lower case l). Joseph2302 (talk) 12:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I hate to say it Joseph2302, but Volero le Cannet would appear in green (as shown), as it is a redirect, whereas, if there was no redirect, it would appear in red, not in "plain text" as described above - Arjayay (talk) 12:08, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

(@Arjayay: not too important but I think it's a user script or preference that makes you see redirects in green. I see that link as blue, same as an article link, but DAB pages as orange because of some script I have somewhere.) — Bilorv (talk) 17:40, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The orange disambiguation links are probably due to a gadget in Special:Preferences. ―Qwerfjkltalk 18:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your answers. It seems to work with the lower case l, thanks, but what's strange is that the article in question (and its address) both use a capital L (which is the correct way to spell it, as Le Cannet is the name of a city in France). Is there no way to spell it correctly in the infobox ?

Well I changed the infobox from Volero le Cannet to Volero Le Cannet, and it works for me - I don't know what is different to when you tried - it may have been some hidden mark-up ? - Arjayay (talk) 12:30, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I created the redirect to the lower case article a few minutes beforehand. Which is why it works now. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, but I've just removed the links to Volero Le Cannet : the article it sends to is not about Volero Le Cannet at all but about Volero Zürich (I should've seen that earlier, I might be a bit more tired than I thought :) ). The title of the article "Volero Le Cannet" will have to be changed to "Volero Zürich", but I don't know how to do that.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Motherofcities (talk • contribs) 12:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Motherofcities: If you read the article you will see that it is the same club. I have reinstated the links which you removed. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm definitely more tired than I thought ! Thanks everyone !— Preceding unsigned comment added by Motherofcities (talk • contribs) 13:00, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I write Wikipedia page about the company where I work?

Can I write Wikipedia page about the company where I work? I have lot of knowledge about this company and the company does lot of innovative products. I am not paid by my company for writing the Wikipedia page. I like to do it as self interest or hobby. How can I begin and what must I keep in my mind thte page wont be deleted? Rohan von Indien (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Rohan von Indien Hello and welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for asking first. There are ways to do what you are asking, but I'm not sure you realize what you are potentially getting into. First, if you work for the company, you are a paid editor, you don't have to be specifically paid to edit or specifically directed to edit, so you will have to declare as a paid editor. Please also review conflict of interest.

Please understand that a Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself or in your personal knowledge of the company- we want to know what others completely unaffiliated with your company have decided on their own to say about it. So no press releases, annoucements of routine business activities like the opening of a location or the raising of capital, staff interviews, or other primary sources. In essence, you would need to set aside everything you know about the company and only write based on the content of independent sources. Most people have great difficulty doing that, but it is possible.

Also understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons for your company to not want one. Any information about the company, good or bad, can be in an article about it as long as it appears in an independent reliable sources. You cannot lock it to the text the company might prefer, or prevent others from editing it.

If you still think that you can write such an article, you should first read Your First Article and then go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. You should also gather at least three sources with significant, independent coverage of the company to summarize. 331dot (talk) 12:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Rohan von Indien (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Can we add information regarding media (instagram & youtube) records/achievements?

I wanted to ask that can we include information regarding social media (instagram & youtube) records/achievements made by the popular person on the wiki pgae? Manalijain (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC) Manalijain (talk) 12:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Manalijain: Yes you can, and {{Infobox YouTube personality}} and {{Infobox Instagram personality}} gives you structured ways to do so. GoingBatty (talk) 13:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Gorilla Warfare - On Dick Ellis page.

I hope I didn't mess up your home page where I tried to respond to your comments about citations. I have two constructive criticisms. One is that you have a citation regarding the authorship of the 'Origins' book. It says it is proven but offers no proof and attempts to obtain this proof have failed. Why not cite it? Attempts to access the paper have not been responded to.

Secondly, the reason I doubt that it is proven is that by going to the publishers papers I find Konni Zilliacus received the royalties and wrote similar books. But I have no citation because it is original research although I did specify where the papers were held. Why would Dick Ellis write a book, as an MI6 officer, for somebody later suspected of being a subversive agitator National Archives - and so again no citation barring (KV 2/4415-4417) .

What is the point of as citation that says nothing meaningful- or could that user be asked to expand?

 Wikihgd (talk) 13:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

You want it on the page, you need to include a strong third-party source that corroborates it, particularly if it is contentious. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 13:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinging GorillaWarfare, who this message seems to be directed at, and ParticipantObserver, who seems to have undone Wikihgd's edit on Dick Ellis. (Wikihgd, this is a general help desk. You can talk about edits on the talk pages of articles, here Talk:Dick Ellis, and you can get a user's attention by linking their username in a message where you sign your comment.) — Bilorv (talk) 17:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I believe this falls under Wikipedia:No original research. As per Wikihgd's comments above, this would be original research, and so is not allowed. That being said, this may be a useful discussion to have at Talk:Dick Ellis. ParticipantObserver (talk) 18:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Submission deleted

Hello, I am writing to ask why my submission was deleted. I submitted an article with important information regarding both a historical building and providing provenance for a large collection of guitars which belonged to a well-respected guitarist. The explanation given was that my article would need to be re-written because it was promotional. I am simply trying to establish a wikipedia page where works of art are created similarly to those which are featured on metadata sites such as Musicbrainz, discogs and allmusic. Please advise. Angeleenie (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Angeleenie: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the message on your talk page about the deletion of your draft. If you have any further questions, then please contact the deleting administrator. GoingBatty (talk) 13:51, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Angeleenie Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I can view your deleted draft, and I agree with its deletion, as it was little more than an advertisement for the studio. Wikipedia articles (not just "page") must do more than merely tell of the existence of the subject and what it does. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. The sources you offered told little about the company itself. Not every recording studio merits an article, even if some do. Please see Your First Article.

If you are associated with this company, please review conflict of interest and paid editing for information on required formal disclosures. 331dot (talk) 13:54, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

How to change my user name?

Hi,

How can I change my username? I was too excited about creating my account in Wikipedia and I never had time to think of a better username. Your response will be highly appreciated.

Thank you. Wbmanaois (talk) 13:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Wbmanaois Please read WP:RENAME for the instructions on how to do change your username. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 13:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Wbmanaois You can also just create a new account and abandon your old one. 331dot (talk) 13:55, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft disappeared

I've been working for a few days on a draft article (using the visual editor). This morning the interaction with the editor was being "weird", e.g. would not accept carriage returns, changing a section type would jump to another part of the document, and others.

I decided to do a page refresh (ctrl-F5) and upon return the entire draft article has disappeared. I'm unable to find any trace of it. Needless to say this is very disheartening.

Am I going to have to just start over? ThatMarcC (talk) 14:45, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

ThatMarcC, hey there. Can you explain in detail as to the draft topic and the editor interaction? How is it "weird", what are "carriage returns", etc? That should give more understanding to your perspective. GeraldWL 16:26, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you also clarify whether you saved the draft (by clicking "publish") during those days, or did you keep the edit window open the whole time? Cordless Larry (talk) 16:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Gerald Waldo Luis:: Carriage return. @ThatMarcC: unfortunally, since you don't seem to have saved anything on Wikipedia servers you will have to start over. Note that "Publish changes" is meant to understood as "save changes", not "publish this to the main encyclopedia. The button was renamed a while ago to remind you that everything here is public if one knowns where to look. I have two recommendations for you in future: 1) Regularely hit that publish changes button, so that your progress is saved onto Wikipedia servers, and 2) when the editor bugs out, try to switch to source editing via the pencil icon in the top right. You might also want to make sure that in your preferences, under "Editing", the dropdown "Editor Mode" is set to "Show me both editor tabs" so that you can switch between editors as much as you like. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:38, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Suggested improvements for draft article

Hi, I am the new Wikipedian in Residence for Annual Reviews (publisher). While working on something else I came across Draft:Knowable Magazine which appears to have been started by a student for a class. It was submitted for review but refused due to not demonstrating notability. I have suggested two new paragraphs, with inline citations, on its talk page to address the notability issue. I have also tagged the creator of the page about this, but I suspect they are unlikely to return since the spring semester has ended. Since Annual Reviews publishes Knowable Magazine, it would be a inappropriate under COI guidelines for me to move the text and resubmit the article myself. (Note: I did fix some incorrect information that was in the draft.) I am hoping that someone else can step in to help. Thank you. MaryMO (AR) (talk) 14:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Providing that you make the required COI declaration, MaryMO (AR), I don't see why you can't submit the draft yourself. Part of the rationale for the drafts review system is to allow editors with a declared COI to submit articles, so that they get checked by an independent editor. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

• Thank you User:Cordless Larry, I'll go ahead and make the changes since you consider it appropriate for me to do so. I didn't want to overstep. MaryMO (AR) (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Opera fan help with COI

Hi all, I am an opera fan and want to support artists / opera houses by keeping their wikis up to date. I have registered a conflict of interest as I know people in the business, I write in a very neutral way and it's mostly historic updates. I would appreciate any tips / words of wisdom on how to manage COI when you're in a very connected industry / fanbase. I am a trained researcher, who is now worried all my edits / content won't be approved.

Thank you for any tips Marblewatcher57 (talk) 16:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Marblewatcher57 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I might suggest that you state what your COI is on your user page (User:Marblewatcher57). You may wish to review this plain language explanation of COI for some guidance. If you wish to edit an existing article, you should make a formal edit request(click for instructions) on the article talk page. If you wish to create new articles, you should use Articles for Creation. Please understand that Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state about topics. 331dot (talk) 16:09, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Marblewatcher57 I'll add that people do not have "wikis". A wiki is a type of entire website of which Wikipedia is one example. Individual pages here that have encyclopedia content are called articles. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

You might also want to read Neutral Point of View or 5 Pillars for some fundamental principles Wikipedia operates under, but it's good that you're aware of this COI possibly causing an issue and we do welcome experts and people with industry knowledge contributing. Edits don't need to be "approved"—they generally go live immediately—though volunteers try to keep an eye on changes and undo any that make an article worse. To double down on what 331dot says, the key point is sources, sources, sources: we've all been in situations where we know something is true but can't find a source for it, and in that case you just can't write it in an article.

If you're worried about a particular article or edit, people with COIs can still make uncontroversial/housekeeping edits directly, but you can describe exactly what change you want to make on the talk page of an article in a new section that begins with the code {{Request edit}} and someone without a COI will come along and see if they want to make the change or take issue with it. Where everyone's threshold for this is will vary—I'd say you don't (necessarily) have a COI if you met someone in passing or know someone who knows someone who knows them, but if their career success/failure matters to you or your friends then you do have a COI. — Bilorv (talk) 17:27, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I'll make a different point from 331dot about that same phrase, Marblewatcher57: Nobody has a Wikipedia article: a Wikipedia article does not belong to its subject, and is not (except incidentally) for its subject's benefit. If you want to help Wikipedia by improving articles about opera, that's great; but if your purpose is to support the subjects of those articles, that is a COI. Note, for example, that verifiability is far more important to Wikipedia than either completeness or being up to date. --ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Fair points, I guess I need to be more specific by the term "support" ie. the edits are updates based on current events / what has happened recently that I see is missing. I use citations on my edits as it's all documented updates like new shows etc. Maybe I am ultra paranoid. Thank you for the reading suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marblewatcher57 (talk • contribs) 20:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Marblewatcher57: Lest you feel the answers you've received might be a little negative, please may I suggest one particular area in which your personal knowledge and contact could be immensely helpful? It matters not one jot whether you are best buddies with anyone, but for those notable operatic figures for whom there is already an article about them, or for anyone likely to someday have one, why not approach your contacts to take a photo of them that you can then add to a current or future article. So often we struggle to get good images of famous - or not so famous people- and having them already available on Wikimedia Commons (our image hosting project), can be terribly helpful. Any further help or advice you need: just ask. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi @NickMoyes that is a good suggestion, I have noticed this is a common issue on a lot of pages. Will be easier when the pandemic isn't raging. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marblewatcher57 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

An IP heard from

 42.113.3.10 (talk) 16:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

section title added. Do you have a question? David notMD (talk) 16:41, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

How can i edit longer?

 VaxRiser (talk) 16:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@VaxRiser: Welcome to the Teahouse. Could you please clarify your question? I'm not sure what you mean by longer. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu, maybe it's regarding something in his talk page, where an editor, WikiDan61, brings up "You appear to be editing articles merely to change a few words, but without any real aim to improve the articles. Many of your edits have been reverted because they actually detracted from the quality of the articles. Based on your user page, I have to ask if you are here to build the encyclopedia at all?" GeraldWL 16:56, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

It's because i have an grammar error. could you help?VaxRiser (talk) 17:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

VaxRiser, if it's true that your edits are gramatically wrong, then the only solution would be, well, improve your grammar. Take online tutorials. It's entirely on you. GeraldWL 17:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

If your English is a bit wobbly, can I suggest that you concentrate on factual editing (finding references for things that need citations, adding to articles that are too short, or need extra explanation) rather than copy-editing? There is no shame in doing what one is best at. It is very hard to copy-edit/correct grammar in a language where your own writing is not quite perfect, but WP desperately needs people who can check references and find good ones! Grammatically wobbly writing that is nevertheless comprehensible and factually correct is super valuable. Elemimele (talk) 21:28, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Acquiring a photo for a BLP

I've been working on the Lex Fridman draft and it should get approved soon but I want a photo. Can I just contact him for a public domain photo? I assume I can't just grab one from his twitter... Thanks in advance. SmolBrane (talk) 16:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@SmolBrane, you assume correctly. You can ask. The simple way is that he takes a selfie and uploads it himself with the process that starts here. The photo must be "donated" by the copyright holder, and that is usually the photographer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Yep, taking a new unpublished photo for use here is fine, or the photographer of an already-published image (like from a photoshoot) can release the copyright in this process: https://relgen.toolforge.org/. It's important that it's the photographer and not the subject. We don't quite need it to be public domain, but we do need it to be available for anyone, inside or outside of Wikipedia, to reuse for commercial purposes and derivative works, with URL attribution (see commons:Commons:Licensing). — Bilorv (talk) 17:18, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Great, thank you both. I have also since learned that YouTube screenshots are an option so that might be the best way. I'll get around to it. SmolBrane (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Learned from where, SmolBrane? Most YouTube videos are copyrighted—only a minority with explicit CC-BY-SA licensing (or similar) can be used (for instance, see the licensing in this video's description; but most videos won't have that there). — Bilorv (talk) 17:43, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

I was just looking at the origin of the Bret Weinstein photo as an example. I will be sure to assess the licensing regardless. SmolBrane (talk) 17:53, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, youtube looks like it probably won't work. If I contact Lex directly, how do YOU know that he's licensing an image in the way that I state? SmolBrane (talk) 18:03, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, SmolBrane: the copyright holder (who is probably not Fridman himself, unless it's a selfie) would either have to upload it himself, or send a mail to OTRS as explained as donating copyright materials. --ColinFine (talk) 18:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay thanks. SmolBrane (talk) 18:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@SmolBrane: I direct people to this page, which has the verbiage the permission holder has to send to Wikipedia, when they send in the image. Wikipedia:Declaration of consent for all enquiries Don't be surprised if the heavy legalese intimidates Fridman. I've started a few biographies of living people and reached out to the subjects for a photo, only to be rejected. You'll have to explain that the language is to protect Wikipedia from charges of copyright infringement, and it doesn't mean that the photo will be abused. After all, as you pointed out, there are already photos available of him online that someone could take and abuse anonymously. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, honestly I probably won't bother to facilitate an upload myself, it's not critical that the article have a photo. But I may send him a message if the article doesn't get a photo within a few months after approval. Something appropriately licensed may already exist. SmolBrane (talk) 23:06, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Subject Deleted

Why is my input removed? WikiBoyne (talk) 17:21, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Your first attempt was reverted because it was unsourced. Your next attempt was reverted because it included misplaced external links. To learn how to provide references, please read Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:42, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@WikiBoyne, coupled with what my senior colleague @David Biddulph has told you, except I’m seeing this incorrectly, it appears you are merely 6 hours old on this collaborative project or am i missing something? Generally speaking, it is a good idea not to edit live articles (articles on mainspace) just yet. I recommend you practice a little in your sandbox before attempting to edit live articles. Celestina007 (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Valid Sources

Recently I got to know that Youtube and Facebook links are not considered valid ones. Which all sources information are considered to be valid ones? 2409:4073:287:A39D:4E4:DD4F:F34B:3CF5 (talk) 19:31, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Have you read the advice at Wikipedia:Reliable sources? --David Biddulph (talk) 19:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Re-creation of a deleted article

If some article that was created by someone in Wikipidea was deleted after a discussion, then can I re-create that article? 2409:4073:287:A39D:4E4:DD4F:F34B:3CF5 (talk) 19:33, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

See WP:G4. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If you have read the deletion discussion, and you believe that the subject now meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:notability, and you can writ about it in a non-promotional way, I advise you to create a draft using the articles for creation system. If your draft is acceptable, then a reviewer will accept it as an article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:01, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Chit chat

Good evening to all the WP editors. I would like to ask if there exists any WP policy related to the chit chat, as it is substantially depracated in the Homepage talk. Reasonably, it shall be extended to the whole encyclopedia, except for a limited numbe rof thematic bars for the free time or similar, if existing. Thanks in advance for any eventual help. Have a good football game. Let me say: Forza Azzurri!Theologian81sp (talk) 20:34, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Theologian81sp. Please read WP:NOTAFORUM and WP:NOTSOCIALNETWORK. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 21:16, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

@Theologian81sp: Editors who are interested in chit chat are welcome to use Internet Relay Chat (IRC) - see Wikipedia:IRC. GoingBatty (talk) 00:34, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

The Discord server also serves a similar purpose, IIRC. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:26, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

acceptable and unacceptable uses of primary sources

Hi, sorry for this being lengthy, but I wanted to check, does the following suggest a correct understanding of rules about primary sources?

Imaginary article about a (pseudo) scientist:

"During her time in Germany she published, in a journal her friends had started, an article claiming that the world was square shaped. [reference to paper she published in an online pseudoscience journal]. Upon return to France her work took a new focus. Papers she published during this period in fringe science journals focused on the theory that the moon was cylindrical. [Reference to a paper she published in an online pseudoscience journal.]"

Here, the primary sources - the articles in the online pseudoscience journal - are simply characterized by the Wikipedia editor, in a way which future editors can verify. This is an acceptable use of primary sources. Yes?

In contrast:

"She proved that orthodox views were flawed and that the most likely shape for the earth was square [Reference to a paper she published in an online pseudoscience journal.] A few years later she was able to deduce that, in contrast to what mainstream textbooks teach, the moon is likely to be cylindrical shaped. [Reference to a paper she published in an online pseudoscience journal.]"

Here, two assertions are made by the Wikipedia editor: 'Earth is square, the moon is cylindrical.' This passage cannot be published in Wikipedia as it violates guidelines relating to "Do not rely on primary sources to support assertions..." (In addition to the source not meeting quality standards.)

I know that in a real life scenario the question of notability might come up, and the lack of secondary sources might mean there is an objection that this fictional passage would not notable enough for inclusion, but besides that, does it look like I have correctly understood this aspect of Wikipedia policy on acceptable and unacceptable uses of primary sources?

Many thanks. VorsprungDurchReden (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

@VorsprungDurchReden: Erm, not quite. This is quite a fringe example so it might not be that applicable to actual editing, but I'll try. You're correct about the last paragraph, which is that Wikipedia relies on secondary sources to determine if something is important enough for inclusion (note that "notability" has a very specific meaning around here and I'm actively avoiding that word). For that reason, I wouldn't even write like the first example unless there's a secondary source that tells me why this paper matters. The wording in the second example is actually not that problematic if you replace "proved" and "was able to deduce that" because of in-text attribution; we're not saying that the earth is really square, we're saying that she said the earth is square (but then again, we want a secondary source). But this example isn't actually so great. If you have something that you're working on, either a draft or an existing article, provide a link and we can give you better advice. Also, my advice for beginners is to avoid primary sources unless you really, really know what you're doing, because what's NPOV and what's not is pretty difficult to discern. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 02:16, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FINSIA#Partners

I have just started adding references with URLs to newspaper acrticles that show the developing FINSIA story, as it badly needs updating.

But while the number annotations 7,8,9,10 have been accepted in boxes like these [], they haven't synched to be same as the previous references. Looking through the editorial guide, I couldn't find anythig that would fix this.

Any help gratefully received. Finsiacomms (talk) 01:07, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

At FINSIA, you are doing it wrong. For examples of how to insert references, go to the Structure section and click on Edit. That will show references that are properly embedded in the body of the article. Doing it properly automatically creates superscripted numbers and numbered refs under References. Check out WP:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 01:45, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Is a news report that relies entirely on a Twitter user's screenshots to accuse someone of bigotry (and could not be verified by myself) reliable?

Note: I had asked this before at this archived question and no one answered it back then

While on a different IP address in this range, I had removed some information from here a long while back, which was re-added by another user, "Faisal" at this revision with the edit summary "reinstate section removed by IP,see talk page". His talk page comment is here, and I am the 2nd IP he is talking about.

I have two issues here:

• That user's reference, while being from a newspaper, is also completely reliant on screenshots from Twitter and does not directly link to the posts. Also, for what it's worth, the article is vague on who wrote it (I remember that OpIndia, a highly unreliable "news" site that is in Wikipedia's spam filter, also hides writer names to avoid legal liability for fake news, but then again I don't know why the Free Press Journal chose to hide the writer's name). I went through the LinkedIn page of D K Goel, the person accused of Islamophobia in the information I removed and the three publicly accessible articles by him don't show him writing "Jaahils continue to endanger our lives - A Muslim man removed his mask and spit on a Manipuri woman. Arrested by the Mumbai police. Still don't believe in the terrorism, Jalalat of these Jaahils? Be ready to suffer in future," (at least according to my browser's Ctrl+F function) which Faisal's reference claims was written by the accused. The accused's articles do show (in my opinion) that the accused probably is an Islamophobe, but I would be violating Wikipedia:SYNTH by calling him an Islamophobe and using his articles to draw that conclusion.
• Faisal says on the talk page "Also the right-wing Hindu nationalist government is encouraging these islamophobes in India. Sad." which looks like a personal attack since he may have intended to call me an Islamophobe (though he may have also intended to call D K Goel an Islamophobe).

So, is Faisal's news report reliable? And am I overreacting by assuming that he made a personal attack? 45.251.33.169 (talk) 03:24, 7 July 2021 (UTC) (don't message me on my talk page to inform me that you've replied, I'll be checking this page periodically and I am on a dynamic IP range)