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confusing life 115.242.150.130 (talk) 05:27, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

The teahouse is for questions not for discussions.`~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 08:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

If you want to make threads, this isn't the place, go to an image board or something. Casint (talk) 16:15, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

That was a bit harsh, but correct. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Combine general and inline references into a single reflist

Please see the references section of 1974 ARFU Asian Rugby Championship. There is a reference related to the entire document numbered as 11, and other inline references numbered from 1 to 11 (different 11 from the above). I would like to combine them into a nicely formatted single reference list numbered from 1 to 12. How can I implement this?

This is my first time writing something in the village pump. If I wrote in the wrong bulletin or there is something inappropriate, please let me know. Regpath (talk) 06:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Regpath Ref #11 is not actually a general reference for the entire article. I'm afraid a misplaced reference is probably the least of that article's problems, it requires quite a bit of fixing. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dodger67 If you read the article and the reference very carefully, then you would think it is not a general reference. But that is just an example of whether it is correct or not. I just wanted to know how to make the combined list. I should have added this comment when I first ask this question. Thanks. Regpath (talk) 08:22, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Moved ref to Finals section David notMD (talk) 08:49, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

An unusual feature of that article is that most of the references aren't cited in support of anything, they're links to further relevant information. Maproom (talk) 09:08, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Maproom I'd call it a fault rather than a feature. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 14:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Actually it is incorrect. The reference you moved is not for Finals only. It is a reference to a broader section. Regpath (talk) 04:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

FYI

 – Merged here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Combined reference list

Please see the references section of 1974 ARFU Asian Rugby Championship. There is a reference related to the entire document numbered as 11, and other inline references numbered from 1 to 11 (different 11 from the above). I would like to combine them into a nicely formatted single reference list numbered from 1 to 12. How can I implement this?

I'm sorry for the same question. But the previous answers are not what I wanted to know, though I appreciate their sincere help. What I want to know is just how to make such a combined reference list. That'is just a technical question, not about the specific article that I mentioned. That was just an exmple. I am not asking about the specific article. It is just a 'general' question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Regpath (talk • contribs)

Regpath, see this guideline on general references. As it says, "If both cited and uncited references exist, their distinction can be highlighted with separate section names, e.g., "References" and "General references"." But as it also says, on enWP we very much prefer that it be integrated into the article text with footnotes. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Can someone please help me put the following blockquote into 2 columns

Gather thy greatness round, Arion! Stand in state,
As when the banqueting thrilled conscious—like a rose
Throughout its hundred leaves at that approach it knows
Of music in the bird—while Corinth grew one breast
A-throb for song and thee; nay, Periander pressed
The Methymnæan hand, and felt a king indeed, and guessed
How Phœbus' self might give that great mouth of the gods
Such a magnificence of song! The pillar nods,
Rocks roof, and trembles door, gigantic, post and jamb,
As harp and voice rend air—the shattering dithyramb!
So stand thou, and assume the robe that tingles yet
With triumph; strike the harp, whose every golden fret
Still smoulders with the flame, was late at fingers' end—
So, standing on the bench o' the ship, let voice expend
Thy soul; sing, unalloyed by meaner mode, thine own,
The Orthian lay; then leap from music's lofty throne;
Into the lowest surge make fearlessly thy launch!
Whatever storm may threat, some dolphin will be stanch!
Whatever roughness rage, some exquisite sea-thing
Will surely rise to save, will bear—palpitating—
One proud humility of love beneath its load—
Stem tide, part wave, till both roll on thy jewell'd road
Of triumph, and the grim o' the gulf grow wonder-white
I' the phosphorescent wake; and still the exquisite
Sea-thing stems on, saves still, palpitatingly thus,
Lands safe at length its load of love at Tænarus,
True woman-creature!

𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 17:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Try this:

Gather thy greatness round, Arion! Stand in state,
As when the banqueting thrilled conscious—like a rose
Throughout its hundred leaves at that approach it knows
Of music in the bird—while Corinth grew one breast
A-throb for song and thee; nay, Periander pressed
The Methymnæan hand, and felt a king indeed, and guessed
How Phœbus' self might give that great mouth of the gods
Such a magnificence of song! The pillar nods,
Rocks roof, and trembles door, gigantic, post and jamb,
As harp and voice rend air—the shattering dithyramb!
So stand thou, and assume the robe that tingles yet
With triumph; strike the harp, whose every golden fret
Still smoulders with the flame, was late at fingers' end—
So, standing on the bench o' the ship, let voice expend

Thy soul; sing, unalloyed by meaner mode, thine own,
The Orthian lay; then leap from music's lofty throne;
Into the lowest surge make fearlessly thy launch!
Whatever storm may threat, some dolphin will be stanch!
Whatever roughness rage, some exquisite sea-thing
Will surely rise to save, will bear—palpitating—
One proud humility of love beneath its load—
Stem tide, part wave, till both roll on thy jewell'd road
Of triumph, and the grim o' the gulf grow wonder-white
I' the phosphorescent wake; and still the exquisite
Sea-thing stems on, saves still, palpitatingly thus,
Lands safe at length its load of love at Tænarus,
True woman-creature!

MrOllie (talk) 19:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Do you know how I can reduce the space between the columns? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 21:50, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Ficaia I think that the whole point of the {{Columns-start}} and related templates is that they occupy the full width available to each reader's browser. Hence there should be no need to force anything. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia In that two-column version, many of the individual lines wrap (within its column) on my 10 inch Android tablet in portrait mode. If you force 2 columns, I predict it would look pretty bad on a smartphone. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia Also, in Fifine_at_the_Fair (formatted in one column) many of the lines wrap on the same 10 inch tablet, probably because there are pictures to the right. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Is there a permitted way to ask other wikipedia editors to weigh in on AfD debates

Dear friends. Thank you to each of you for making Wikipedia such a healthy and useful tool. With the guidance of some helpful veteran wiki editors, I have been able to start a few wikipedia articles. Invariably one of my entries is now in an Afd (article for deletion) desiussion. In my opinion, the answer should be Keep, but of course I am biased. :-)

I know that you are not supposed to canvas people to take a side in an Afd debates. However I have seen in one of the category portals that some editors ask for help from other editors to weigh in on Afd debates. Is that a normative practice? Is there a page or group on wikipedia where you can ask others for help for Afd? Similarly, if I made relationship with another experienced editor, am I allowed to ask her to give an honest opinion in the Afd debate?

Any guidance you can give would be very appreciated. I thank you in advance. PaulPachad (talk) 17:52, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi PaulPachad and thanks for asking. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate_notification (as well as the rest of that policy page). Shantavira|^{feed me} 18:05, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@Shantavira Thank you Shantavira|^{feed me}. I appreciate the reference. This was very helpful. The article mentions asking for help in:

A central location (such as the Village pump or other relevant noticeboards)

Is that true even for an AfD debate? Which central location is appropriate to ask for others to weigh in? (aside from the wikiproject page)

Thank you in advance. PaulPachad (talk) 18:53, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Well it says A central location (such as the Village pump or other relevant noticeboards) for discussions that have a wider impact such as policy or guideline discussions. I wouldn't expect that to apply to an Afd discussion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Shantavira Ok thank you. So is there any other central location to ask for help aside from a wikiproject page? PaulPachad (talk) 17:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

What happens if two editors keep trying to make their edits "stick" and delete the other's edits?

Not sure I can add much more in a message to describe what I'm asking than the question itself. I'm sure it must have come up from time to time in Wikipedia editing. Can this sort of thing just go on and on forever, or might someone step in at some point? Augnablik (talk) 19:09, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

That's called edit warring and usually one or both editors wind up blocked. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

But what if they each have, or at least one believes he has, very good reason to make the edits? There really could be a good guy and a bad guy, to overly simplify a situation, and the bad guy just wants to paint things his way whereas the good guy is really concerned about that. So if both editors could get blocked, the good guy and a number of readers lose.

I suppose what I wanted to hear is that there were Wiki courts, so to speak, where someone well equipped to handle such a situation listens to both editors and tries to make a decision accordingly. Augnablik (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Augnablik. "I am right" is a really really unhelpful way to enter a discussion: a much more productive one is "How can we reach a consensus that we can all accept?". Dispute resolution explains the steps to take if it the people involved do not seem to be able to reach consensus. ColinFine (talk) 19:47, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, ColinFine and PRAXIDICAE🌈 . Fostering consensus rather than battles is how I prefer to approach life. I asked my initial question because with so much bias and inability to look objectively at other viewpoints in today's media, I got wondering as a new Wikipedia editor about how this sort of thing might be handled. Wouldn't it be wonderful — not to mention practical in the long run — if in arenas of strong opinions everyone would follow the Dispute resolution guidance? Augnablik (talk) 07:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Is this about Language demographics of Quebec? You inserted invisible-to-the-reader comments into the article that were better expressed as a discussion on the Talk page. ClueBot, an automated program, reverted your changes. As noted above, if in a dispute with a living editor, talk it to Talk, and in not resolved there, to Dispute resolution. David notMD (talk) 20:11, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I need reliable source

Hello, please anyone I need reliable sources to make my own page for the first time. They ones I have tried creating in the past I end up submitting them for deletion to to the fact that information there is unsourced and not from reliable sources. Mostly trivia is what I see when I try to search about a topic of interest online. Any one with the time I beg of you to please send me multiple links to reliable sources I would really appreciate,Thank you. Uricdivine (talk) 20:02, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Uricdivine, Interestingly, Wikipedia is not for writing "autobiographies"; in case if I understand you rightly. Do you want to write about "yourself" or about a specific subject? Please be specific in your answer. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 20:18, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I suggest that you read carefully reliable sources, and look at the table in WP:RSPS. You can ask questions about specific sources at WP:RSN, where experts in sourcing will help you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@ TheAafi I wouldn't need reliable source to write about myself now would I?. I didn't say the name of the page I am about to create is because I didn't want other editors doing it before me. And yes I am writing about a specific topic and is not about myself it's about an actor who has received considerable coverable and appearances and also has played a role movie whereby thy real name is the title of the film...Anyways that all information I can give and please if you have reliable sources I would really appreciate thanks so much Uricdivine (talk) 20:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Uricdivine, Thanks for the reply. All you need is to understand different notability guidelines. WP:GNG, the guideline, passing which makes anything to get an article on Wikipedia. WP:NACTOR, a subjective guideline, passing which helps to get articles about actors created on Wikipedia, who do not pass WP:GNG. Reliable sources are generally those sources that have an editorial insight. You need to check with the sources discussing about this actor, that, if they have an author, if the publisher and author are independent of subject, and also if there is an editorial insight. If this doesn't help you, please let me know and I'll be there to assist you. Best, ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 20:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

@Uricdivine Just so you know, you absolutely would need reliable sources to write about yourself. All information in an article must be cited so that other readers can independently verify the information for themselves. That is a core principle of Wikipedia. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull Thanks so much.

It's very difficult to recommend specific reliable sources without knowing the subject of the proposed article, Uricdivine. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:37, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Cordless Larry that girl lay lay, Gabriel neevah (that girl lay lay cast). Boy Spyce (musician) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uricdivine (talk • contribs) 20:40, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Earlier today you created Boy Spyce, which was then changed to Draft:Boy Spyce, and then Speedy deleted per your request. If you intend to try again, it is on you to find published content that can be used as references. David notMD (talk) 20:58, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

For child actress Gabrielle Nevaeh Green, who plays Sadie in the TV show "That Girl Lay Lay," also on you to find references. David notMD (talk) 21:10, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

For example, IMDb is not a reliable source, because anyone can post there. Ditto, for most information, interviews with the subjects of articles, because people may misremember (or lie). David notMD (talk) 00:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@ TheAafi Thank you for the links. But to hit the nail in the head I was thinking about making a page for That girl lay lay, Gabriel neevah,boy Spyce (mostly that girl lay lay and Gabriel neevah). Do any of them meet wikipedia's notability policy? Your response will be well appreciated!. Uricdivine (talk) 21:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD thanks for your replies as well. Honestly I do not understand what you were saying in the place you wrote"Ditto". Do Gabriel neevah amd that girl lay lay meet wikipedia notability policy? Thanks. Uricdivine (talk) 21:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Apologies for not being clear - "Ditto" meant that in addition to IMDb, interviews are NOT considered reliable sources to establish notability. David notMD (talk) 21:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

King Leir

I found this amazing bit of information within the article on King Leir, an anonymous Elizabethan play:"Brian Annesley (or Anslowe) was an elderly former follower of Queen Elizabeth, a wealthy Kentishman with three daughters".

Now that is news to me. I never knew the Virgin queen was a man in disguise and had three daughters. 96.231.22.21 (talk) 22:51, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Are you referring to an issue with the article King Leir? As far as I can see, the article describes an event involving someone who was a former supporter of the queen and not the queen herself, though I could be reading the article wrong. Perfect4th (talk) 23:24, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this is a cheeky comment, but the casual reader should be able to parse that a wealthy Kentishman with three daughters is talking about Annesley and not Queen Elizabeth. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:26, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Indeed. Almost every English speaker can parse this as intended, apart from comedians, and people dedicated to playing the superiority game called pedantry. ColinFine (talk) 10:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Clear writing is not pedantry. You do not know me and you're packing a lot in there by inferring that I'm a comedian or acting in a superior fashion. I'm not an editor and don't intend to be one, but here's a simple solution: "Brian Annesley (or Anslowe), a wealthy Kentishman with three daughters, was an elderly former follower of Queen Elizabeth." Now if you think clear writing is pedantry, and that is a sentiment shared by other Wikipedia editors--well you can finish that sentence. I'm done; I won't respond anymore. Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.231.22.21 (talk) 22:57, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

A person I know is vandalizing a page

I maintain a page on author Byrd Spilman Dewey. Another user, Curiosityseeker, keeps deleting information on the page that is factually true. I emailed the user and she blocked me. I know who this person is as an acquaintance. Not sure what to do. Flahistory (talk) 23:06, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Flahistory Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please discuss your concerns on the article talk page. Wikipedia does not summarize personal knowledge, but what independent reliable sources say. Note that an edit with which you disagree is not vandalism(a deliberate effort to deface an article). 331dot (talk) 23:17, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I deleted the text advertising Flahistory's book on Byrd Spilman Dewey from the Byrd Spilman Dewey webpage. "That the book served as an autobiography was confirmed in the 2012 biography of the Deweys, Pioneering Palm Beach: The Deweys and the South Florida Frontier, where the authors were able to match land records and events to the book's storyline. The Historical Society of Palm Beach County awarded the book the Fannie James Award for Pioneer Research Achievement." She figured out who I am and is trying to contact me through several venues. I'm feeling harassed. Curiositykeeper (talk) 10:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Flahistory. Please do not fall into the error of thinking that you control any article (as might be implied by your words "I maintain a page"). If you have written a biography of Dewey, please be aware of WP:SELFCITE, and avoid promotion. ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Byrd Spilman Dewey. Curiousitykeeper deleted content from two sections, once each time, which you have restored. In my opinion, not vandalism.

One instance, the text about Dewey;s writing career had this: "Little, Brown & Company published her sentinel work, Bruno, in 1899. The book sold well across the country—more than 100,000 copies during its first year of publication—and was received well in national reviews.[ref name="Auto7S-9"] It was featured as a standard reader in several school catalogs around the United States.[ref name="Auto7S-10"] The book was autobiographical in nature, with Mrs. Dewey becoming the character of "Judith" and her husband the character of "Julius". That the book served as an autobiography was confirmed in the 2012 biography of the Deweys, Pioneering Palm Beach: The Deweys and the South Florida Frontier, where the authors were able to match land records and events to the book's storyline.[ref name="Auto7S-11"] The Historical Society of Palm Beach County awarded the book the Fannie James Award for Pioneer Research Achievement.[ref name="Auto3Y-1"]"

Curiositykeeper deleted the text starting with "That the book..." One can argue that the first reference in the deleted content is sufficient to confirm the autobiographical nature without needing mention of the 2012 biography, nor that the biography won an award. The second deletion by Curiositykeeper, also reverted by you, again mentioned the 2012 book, this time naming the authors of the book. The article is about Dewey, not about a book about Dewey. David notMD (talk) 00:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

There are hundreds of examples of biographies on Wikipedia that mention books written about the person. As you said, I don't own the page. Why would it be wrong to mention that the person has a biography? Flahistory (talk) 15:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Flahistory wrote the book Pioneering Palm Beach and has added this promotional content, along with inaccurate comments that Dewey "founded" Boynton Beach, which had been settled for many years before they platted their property. She has restored the text, sent the case to dispute resolution, and is trying to contact me outside of Wikipedia. Is there any way to get the promotional text removed? Curiositykeeper (talk) 11:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

You blocked me on Wikipedia when I tried to resolve this with you. I contacted you on Facebook and you blocked me there. When you made the edits, there was no explanation. It is an undisputed fact that Byrd Spilman Dewey bought the land that made up the town of Boynton in 1892, long before Boynton was ever in Florida. I have the deed which you do too. Adding Pioneering Palm Beach was meant to back up the fact that Bruno was an autobiography. Adding the award was meant to bolster the idea that this was a groundbreaking work in pioneer history. The sad part is that you could have contacted me and we could discuss as adults and researchers. That was not the path you chose. Flahistory (talk) 15:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Flahistory, you are not and never have been blocked on Wikipedia (@Curiositykeeper could forbid you from posting on their own talk page and ignore your messages, but that is not the same thing). If you can't resolve this through discussion on the article's talk page, then continue further with the dispute resolution process. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 16:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I was replying to Curiositykeeper with the statement You blocked me. I emailed her through Wikipedia simply asking her why she deleted the paragraph. I did not receive a response and she blocked me from sending her massages. I did invoke the dispute resolution process. Flahistory (talk) 17:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Flahistory If a user blocks you from sending them e-mails, that is not the same thing in WP-speak as saying "You blocked me on Wikipedia". Being "blocked on Wikipedia" is a whole 'nother thing. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:46, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

How do I make a page?

I have joined Wikipedia less than a half hour ago, and all I ask is simply how I can form a page. Signed> RexJB RexJB (talk) 23:30, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @RexJB, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. You can start by reading this guide on creating your first article, but the most important step is going out to find reliable, independent, secondary sources that have published significant coverage of your subject. Those are the foundation needed to build a Wikipedia article on. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 00:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Creating a new article is hard, and often leads to drafts being Declined multiple times, or even Speedy deleted. Newbies are advised to gain experience by improving existing articles first. David notMD (talk) 00:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@RexJB You are "Hunter of RexJB"? Remember that a username is for use by one person, not by a group. Welcome and happy editing. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Fire Sprinkler Installation manual

I am a newbie to Wikipedia I would like to start a page that evolves into a ready reckoner - or reference manual for fire sprinkler installation practices - specifically for New Zealand but it would be helpful for multi national contribution under different sections. I thought that users couple download a pdf copy for a small donation to Wikipedia, thereby financing the hosting

(incidentally i see there is a reasonably undeveloped "sprinkler fitters" page but that looks to address an explanation of what a sprinkler fitter is, as opposed to what decisions a sprinkler fitter is obliged to make in the process of installing a sprinkler system so i am proposing a new entry)

Is this use of Wikipedia acceptable

Is there a mechanism to donate to download a pdf? Graham Wyatt (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Graham Wyatt, welcome to the Teahouse and Wikipedia! I'm afraid that would fall squarely into the category of what Wikipedia is not - specifically, not a "manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal". Also, while the WMF occasionally runs donation drives, no one is ever asked to pay to download content, not even a suggested donation. Maybe you could try one of these alternative outlets. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 00:32, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

WP:YFA explains the process of creating and submitting a draft for review. There is no mechanism for creating content as a PDF and copying it in. David notMD (talk) 00:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps you could tackle adding content and references to Sprinkler fitting? See Help:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 00:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Graham Wyatt: Welcome to the Teahouse. Like others have said, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a how-to guide. You could try checking out the sister project Wikibooks; that site might allow you to do what you want, but you should read their policies and guidelines first. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Graham Wyatt In addition to all of that excellent advice, suppose someone tried to follow such info, and then a fire suppression system failed and people were injured or died; the installer could claim that they followed instructions provided by Wikipedia... and then someone could sue WP as the "hoster" of such information. Even if the advice was correct and the installer did everything right, systems do fail, and lawsuits are too common. I hate thinking this, but such are the times we live in... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Greek Oscar Winners Question

Would anyone be able to help make the List of Greek Academy Award winners and nominees page look more presentable? For example, if someone could add the red or green colors to each "status" and fix the tables for Best Actor, Best Makeup and Hairstyling, Best Live Action Short Film, Best Sound, and Best Visual Effects so that they match the size of the other tables? Thanks! Aljay508 (talk) 01:26, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Aljay508, this can be better discussed at the article talk page, where interested editors may help out. You can also ask at the relevant WikiProject. Kpddg ^(talk) 10:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

You had asked a similar question several months ago, where other editors had given some advice.... Kpddg ^(talk) 13:14, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Adding sections for US Counties

Was wondering if anyone else thought this would be a good idea. I am already a massive fan of searching different cemeteries throughout the country for notable graves, do we think that if i added a "notable burials" sections to county pages would be a good idea? ShortyStomper (talk) 02:38, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I think it could be an interesting topic and add more insight into the counties history ShortyStomper (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

One question to ask yourself, ShortyStomper, is whether you have reliable sources. Do you? -- Hoary (talk) 04:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Towns and cities already have lists of notable people who lived there at one point in their lives. I doubt whether lists of people buried there adds to value to readers. Also, you posed the question as listing notable burials in articles about counties. Some counties are large, contain populations in the millions (LA County ~ 10,000,000), hundreds of cemeteries and plausibly thousands of burials of Wikipedia-notable people. David notMD (talk) 08:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Alright, this is duly noted, just an idea. Thank you for your criticism ShortyStomper (talk) 17:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

But to answer the question posed by Hoary, I would have reliable sources.

This would obviously have been a long process, but I believed it would help to supplement the research I have done outside of just for myself, and if I had moved forward would probably have needed to be a separate page(ex. "Notable Burials in West Virginia,"). But I fully acknowledge the criticism and will thus lay it to rest. ShortyStomper (talk) 17:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Pratik Sen - support to write the article that can be submitted and accepted by Wikipedia

Hi, looking for your support to write the article in a manner acceptable to Wikipedia. Draft:Pratik Sen Thanks AnamikaWrites (talk) 05:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, AnamikaWrites. When you write Pratik maintains a low profile and is known to avoid the media, you are basically saying "This draft is unacceptable and ought to be deleted". Wikipedia should not, in almost all cases, have biographies of people who actively shun public attention. A Wikipedia article is an invasion of their privacy. Cullen328 (talk) 06:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

When I say "Pratik maintains a low profile and is known to avoid the media", I mean he is noticed to be media shy which I believe though a recognized actor its a reality not just specific to Pratik Sen but many actors/actresses across industries globally isn't it ? From press meets and interviews with journalists, he comes across approachable and responsive. Would you recommend I delete the statement or rephrase as media shy? AnamikaWrites (talk) 12:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Status: Declined six times. Creator stopped contributing in April 2021, after five Declineds. AnamikaWrites took up the effort in May 2022 and has more than doubled the length of the draft. David notMD (talk) 08:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

If the fellow is a movie actor, I see no reason why he shouldn't "maintain a low profile" or "avoid the media" other than when he's being paid to act. This draft looks promising -- maybe. Just one small example: Pratik's role as Dr. Arindam, the steadfast family friend with an unrequited love was lauded. Athithi went onto achieve both, critical and commercial success. Who lauded it? Where and when did the lauding take place? What about it was lauded? Who were the critics with whom this "sensitive" movie succeeded, and can you reassure readers that the success was in part thanks to Pratik (and not just the singing, dancing, and almost-kissing, etc, by others)? NB (i) this will require reliable sources; whereas (ii) much of the Indian press (e.g. the augustly titled Times of India) unashamedly publish sycophantic advertorials, which of course are not reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 08:59, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Tetrarchy

I was reading something about 'Herod the tetrarch' from the first century and wondered what was a tetrarch so I googled it and came across the article about 'tetrarchy' but it states that tetrarchy was 'instituted by Roman Emperor Diocletian in 293. It seems to me tetrarchy must have been instituted much earlier than 293. Ron L. Kuykendall (talk) 07:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Ron L. Kuykendall, please reread the text that appears at the very top of the article "Tetrarchy": "This article is about the tetrarchy created by Diocletian...." It continues by inviting you elsewhere for material about other tetrarchies. -- Hoary (talk) 09:05, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

At the top of Tetrarchy, it says "see Tetrarchy (Judea)". It might be better if it said "see Herodian Tetrarchy" – I'll consider changing that. Maproom (talk) 09:42, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@Maproom Nice word "Herodian". 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:53, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Images

Is there a page or place where i can post pictures I take? Nopzilla (talk) 08:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you can upload your photos with a free license at Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. See Wikipedia:Uploading images. Kpddg ^(talk) 08:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Nopzilla Welcome to the Teahouse. This is not a photo sharing site. Any images you upload may be deleted at any time if they are not useful as part of the encyclopedia.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I recommend uploading them to WP:COMMONS. It is separate from the English Wikipedia, and is typically more lenient. Still requires them to be freely licensed though. ––FormalDude talk 09:48, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Archiving a talk page

I am trying to archive Talk:Monster High but there's a problem. User:ClueBot III only archived some parts of the page, not all of it.

I am trying to make it so that the whole talk page is archived and essentially empty, with space for new discussions. (Every single discussion on that page is very outdated and irrelevant.)

My question: how do I archive the rest of the page? Castlepalace 12:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I've done it, because I agree with your assessment. For me, there is an "Archive" link on each talk page section, which I used. I suspect that is a non-standard feature of Talk pages that I added, but I cannot remember what it was !! -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:34, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay!!! That was very quick! Thank you. Castlepalace 12:39, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I have another question. Can the {{Refideas}} template be deleted from the page? It's no longer necessary because a lot of the references have already been added (by me). Castlepalace 12:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I have no idea, but I hope somebody else will advise us ;) - Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 12:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

If you have used all the required references and feel that the list is no longer needed, you can remove it. I have collapsed it for now. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I haven't used all of the refs because not all of them were "worthy," but the majority of them, I think. I'll just go ahead and remove it though. Castlepalace 13:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

And if you decide in the future that you needed one, you could always search the page history. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I know. Thank you. :) Castlepalace 13:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

My Question is how to make table

When we read in ipl or icc or other information article we saw table how to make it. 94.128.211.40 (talk) 12:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi IP. Read these pages to learn how to create wikitables. --Baggaet (talk) 13:09, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you(User talk:94.128.211.40 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.128.211.40 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia page for Puberty

Aren't those images on the article illegal? It shows nude minors, so what's up with that? Casint (talk) 16:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Casint, I don't think these are illegal. However, Child pornography is. Images shown in the article aren't pornographic and serve an educational purpose. Baggaet (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

See MOS:OMIMG Kpddg ^(talk) 16:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Blogspot source?

Hi all, I'm relatively new to editing Wikipedia and I'm trying to add sources to an article I wrote that's been declined for havinf too few sources. I'm trying to add a blogspot source (independent album review and interview with the artist), but Wikipedia gave me a warning so I wanted to ask about the rules. Described the problem in further detail here: Draft talk:Macroblank

Thanks in advance for the help! LucasThree (talk) 16:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @LucasThree, welcome to the Teahouse. Blogs are generally considered unreliable, and since there's also an interview with the artist, the independence is questionable too. If the author of the blog is an established critic, the source might be usable in some ways, but probably not to establish notability. 174.21.23.32 (talk) 16:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

LucasThree, welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you liked the place and decided to stay. For an article to be published here, it should be notable and should have reliable sources as citations/references for the sake of verifiability. Wikipedia doesn't accepted original research. Please go through introduction and referencing for beginners to learn more about how the site works. Baggaet (talk) 16:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@LucasThree Just so you know, blogs aren't considered "reliable" because there is rarely any editorial control, no fact-checking, and there's generally no way for anyone else to ask for corrections or to highlight incorrect information. Anyone can say anything they want in a blog. If WP didn't restrict the use of blogs as sources, that incorrect info could be used to "source" a WP article. I hope that helps explain the policy. An interview and review probably wouldn't be "made up", but the WP policy is there so we don't need to figure that out. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 02:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

The Proper Uploading of an Article

Can someone please check the proper uploading of this article onto Wikipedia?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Lord_Milner/Who_United_the_Western_Front_During_World_War_I%3F

the "Wikipedia:Lord_Milner" part looks incorrect. I would like to have that part deleted, or have the article deleted and uploaded fresh.

Thank you. Lord Milner (talk) 16:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Lord Milner, the page has been moved from project namespace to your userspace here: User:Lord Milner/Who United the Western Front During World War I?. Please see this help page to learn how to perform moves. --Baggaet (talk) 17:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

A serious issue here!

Pressed reader whole query.

Before bothering to read, know first that Thegoravsharma has been indef blocked for sockpuppetry. David notMD (talk) 19:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

It all begins a month ago when I created my Wikipedia page. I don’t know much about Wikipedia at that time, even I think that only few users can edit Wikipedia articles. And then I searched for my town (Kalakote) and seen that many points are missing in article. I edited it and try to add more information but I have a gut feeling that Wikipedia is going to reject it but it got accepted. Then I realised that anyone in Wikipedia can edit it. Than I did too many edits on that article, some got rejected whether some got accepted. User:Ohnoitsjamie helped a lot me to understand about Wikipedia editing. After that I edited some more articles. Then I try to create a Wikipedia page about Thermal Power Plant Kalakote. I really found it hard! Article also got rejected because of poor citations and copyright work. Now I decided to create a Wikipedia page with all references without copying. Then I created Casetoo. And real story began here! My article got accepted by Wikipedia, I was very happy that whole night, I literally told my all friends that I make an Wikipedia article, I also informed that person through Instagram story that you now have Wikipedia article, he also congrats me (you can find my Instagram account, it’s too easy!!, I have all proofs there). I then continue my contributions to Wikipedia and cross 2 million+ views in about 120 edits. Than a thought came to my mind whether I can create my own Wikipedia page. Without any research I rushed and make my own Wikipedia page. Now you all know what is going to happen, absolutely speedy deletion. My article got removed by User:Praxidicae. He didn’t just removed my article, but also drafted my old article about Casetoo by saying, more references needed. I added almost 15-17 more references and raise a request to not tondo anything with that article. I also apologise for my shameful act of self article, on that request. But after my request he got offended, and I agree as i did such act. But User:Praxidicae got offended in such a way that he removed all references from that page and put another speedy deletion strike with claim that I’m copying the content. When i asked reason about it, he put another speedy deletion strike by saying that I’m taking money or something like that. Now I asked some questions in his talk page that whether my account got affected by your claim but he didn’t replied. This is our conversation: user talk:Thegoravsharma

Yeah, I did mistake but he should have warned me instead of deleting everything. It’ll lose new users interest on editing on Wikipedia! Now I have some questions

Q1) Does copyright in one article affect another?

Q2) Can Wikipedia senior editors can do wrong claims without any fear?

Q3) I read all notability guidelines of Wikipedia and Casetoo is here in every aspect, but now whenever I’m creating article about Casetoo it’s getting deleted by User:Praxidicae. What should I do now?

Q4) What should I have to do if someone is pointing wrong allegations on me about involvement in conflict?

Q5) Senior editors need to guide us or he can do anything with her choice?

Q6) Can a junior editor like User:Thegoravsharma can raise a complaint against rude behaviour and wrong intentions of senior editors like User:Praxidicae?

'I will neither edit nor donate Wikipedia till I got all my answers!' Thegoravsharma (talk) 17:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Thegoravsharma has been blocked indefinitely for sockpuppetry. Cullen328 (talk) 17:40, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

shocker. PRAXIDICAE🌈 17:43, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Alert about my talk page at a Wiki I have not visited

Hi, I don't think I have ever visited the Hindi Wiki, and I certainly don't speak it. Why would I have an alert that someone posted to my (presumably) non-existent talk page there? Is this a sign of account hacking or spoofing or something? I didn't open it, or the Hindi wiki, so I don't have a diff. Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:06, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

You must have visited it today, they have an auto-generated welcome for all "new accounts" which means your account automatically attaches to any Wikipedia project you visit. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Are you kidding? I've been deep into deleting fluff from my en.wiki watchlist, and working on pages directly related to the Jan 6 committee hearings. If I click an image (template FILE) on an article in the en.wiki, might it open in the Hindi wiki without my realizing it? That's the only thing I can remotely think that I did myself. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC) PS thanks for the help figuring it out. I guess I must not have sounded appreciative when I snorted..... I just don't think that's it. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

You can probably check your history, it's really not a big deal. If you clicked some sort of interwiki link, and it was through Hiwiki, it would automatically connect because of WP:CENTRALAUTH. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I know about version histories and contribs lists.... is there a log of what things I merely visited? That would be cool, how do I find it?NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

No, I meant your internet browser's history. PRAXIDICAE🌈 19:35, 18 June 2022 (UTC)les

I have all the bells and whistles set up to delete my footprints, at least periodically, and even restore my partition from an image file roughly monthly, so that's not an option.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

CentralAuth should have a record of when you visited a given wiki and thus got autobestowed an account (due to SUL). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

That's interesting. It says I've been "Attached" to a long list of wikis (what the devil is test2.wiki?) .... but at login. And all those other wikis in the list are the same, attached at login. What's that about? I almost always do wiki on a desktop from home in the US. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@NewsAndEventsGuy: That's your WP:SUL. It reserves your username on all wikis (so nobody else can impersonate you), and automatically creates your local account when you visit a wiki you've never visited before. ––FormalDude talk 20:08, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

"SUL"!!! How wonderfully ironic given the immediately following thread we both tried to answer about being NPOV writing on religion.... I still say I have NEVER visited these other places, so don't understand why I got a notice about my (fake?) talk page at the Hindi wiki today. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Your hindi talk page is real: hi:सदस्य वार्ता:NewsAndEventsGuy. I don't know why it would have been created without you visiting it though. ––FormalDude talk 20:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

It's because whether they realize it or not, they must have clicked something and visited hiwiki. This thread is a bit of a nothingburger though, there's nothing enwiki can do and it's a normal part of Wikimedia/mediawiki's functions. PRAXIDICAE🌈 20:27, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@NewsAndEventsGuy A lot of browsers will preload pages to speed up your browsing experience, e.g. chrome has a setting to "preload pages for a faster browsing experience" in the cookie settings page. If this is enabled then when you visit a page with links to other projects in it your browser might start loading pages from other projects in the background, at which point the servers will create a local account for you and you'll recieve a welcome. 192.76.8.88 (talk) 20:33, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Test2.wiki is a test wiki for playing around with software features and testing the stability of new versions of mediawiki. 192.76.8.88 (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@192.76.8.88: Thanks, preloading makes sense. I don't see anything in my settings (current Firefox). I use google for a home page, and there are icons for commonly used things, one of which is wikipedia. I click on that and get the global main wiki page. Do the other language wikis randomly populate, or change once in awhile? And could I be triggering some preload code just when my mouse rolls over one? That would explain it. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@NewsAndEventsGuy Firefox will preload content from sites without you clicking on them in some situations, see this support document for the details. The language links on the homepage are based on the pageviews of each project and do get changed occasionally. It's probably going to be impossible to figure out exactly what caused you to visit the Hindi project. 192.76.8.88 (talk) 20:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

OK much obliged NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

THANKS ALL, my main concern was to verify this isn't a sign of hacking or ID theft or some other nasty so I'll relax and go feed the chickens.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:58, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@NewsAndEventsGuy: You are correct that you didn't visit the Hindi Wikipedia but it's not about preloading. You edited Template:Supplement years ago here at the English Wikipedia. Yesterday a user imported the template with page history to the Hindi Wikipedia.[1] You are in the imported page history so your account was automatically created at the Hindi Wikipedia: hi:Special:Logs/NewsAndEventsGuy. Some wikis post welcome messages to users when their account is created. You were alerted of such a post. This has confused many users. I proposed to disallow such welcome messages at meta:Welcoming policy but the proposal hasn't received much attention. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

That's flippin' insane. I did what I could and added a SUPPORT notvote there. I want these two hours back. Thanks for caring and explaining. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

This may be a red herring(?), but try going to your Preferences > Notifications > and make sure "Show notifications from other Wikis" is not checked. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

That's probably too drastic for most users. I find cross-wiki notifications useful most of the time. If you really don't want them then you can disable them at Special:GlobalPreferences#mw-prefsection-echo. If you only disable them at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo here at the English Wikipedia then you will still see them as soon as you visit any other Wikimedia wiki, e.g. Commons or Wikidata. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the preferences tip. Maybe a cross wiki notification could come with a smallcase link to HELP:Crosswiki Notices that would walk people through what I've learned here? Thanks for the help all NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Your proposed policy change says "if the user once edited a page..." I wonder if it would be clearer if the proposal said "edited a page (including a template)...". Still, you are right about it not getting much attention, sadly. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 02:14, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Understanding NPOV (Neutral Point of View)

I recently submitted an article on a very old but recently revived religious viewpoint: Draft:Revelatory Theory of Atonement. It was promptly rejected because of NPOV problems. I can see that it was written with the point of view of someone wanting to support the view. However, I'm unclear as to how much I need to do to make the tone more neutral. I've done a superficial (I think) revision in which I replaced what were statements of fact with references to this being the theory's point of view on it. I'm not sure if that is sufficient or if it needs a rewrite almost as if it was an adversarial viewpoint, i.e. pointing out everywhere that alternate viewpoints disagree and why. That would seem to me to be taking the NPOV to the opposite ditch. But I'm uncertain where the middle of the road is. I've thought of just resubmitting it but that seems like it might be wasting some reviewer's time just to tell me "No, that's not it." I've also looked at other existing articles that have been flagged as having NPOV problems and I'm not sure I see it in them. I've read the available articles on what NPOV means and am still not sure if the article is still going to have a problem. Advice on how to better understand NPOV and what needs to be done to this article would be much appreciated. WikiMrBadger (talk) 19:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@WikiMrBadger: Your draft reads more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Your referencing is very messy, it looks like you're including multiple sources in single citations. Furthermore, biblical sources are only acceptable for verifying content in the bible. You cannot use a biblical source to verify a subjective analysis, those claims must be supported by secondary sources. ––FormalDude talk 20:03, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Suggested exercises

1. Try to think of a superstition you find so ludicrous it makes you laugh

2. Now try to write an essay that describes this supserstitition and the people who truly believe it, without ridiculing or insulting their belief. A helpful essay to do this is WP:Writing for the opponent

3. After you try to do that for awhile (so you have the experience of trying) study the article Salvation in Christianity. I won't claim that article is entirely free of the problem, but you can see how the collective contributors have tried to step outside of any faith to write ABOUT it, from the perspective of an observer, rather than with the unconscious word choice of the faithful.

Good luck NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, that was exactly what I was looking for. You have given me a good example of the mindset from which the article needs to come. WikiMrBadger (talk) 21:07, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

I agree with FormalDude you have referencing/citation problems too. You can get great NPOV help at the NPOV noticeboard WP:NPOVN and help with references at the RS noticeboard WP:RSN NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Page protection

I have noticed that some pages are "protected" and cannot be edited. I have also noticed that users who are unable to edit a page because it is protected may submit an edit request on the talk page, but what happens if the talk page is itself protected? Why are pages on Wikipedia protected? Isn't Wikipedia supposed to be editable by anyone? FAdesdae378 (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Pages are protected as means of protection, to prevent vandalism, BLP violations, spam. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone but it doesn't mean that anyone is allowed to edit as they please - there are still rules and policies to follow. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:12, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

What happens if a talk page is protected? How do new users discuss a page if its talk page is protected? FAdesdae378 (talk) 21:16, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

well, what page are we talking about? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Do you have an example rather than something hypothetical? PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:20, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@FAdesdae378: If the talk page is protected, you can go to WP:RFPP, and there is a button there you can click to open an edit request. RudolfRed (talk) 21:22, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

What happens if new users want to discuss a page who's talk page is protected in general? FAdesdae378 (talk) 21:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

It's probably dependent on the page, which is why we've asked for a specific example. PRAXIDICAE🌈 21:25, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Has page protection ever been used on pages where disruptive editing has not occurred? Page protection is intended to prevent disruption to the wiki. FAdesdae378 (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

@FAdesdae378: There are more than 6 million articles in the encyclopedia. If you can't work on one of them, there are many more you can work on. RudolfRed (talk) 21:28, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

RudolfRed mayhaps was a tad to harsh there, but given that you have refused to provide an example either of protected Talk page or protected article that had not been subjected to disruptive editing, partially on you. Be aware that there is a process for unblock requests. David notMD (talk) 22:01, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

...given that the user is autoconfirmed (and most protected talk pages are semi-protected, of which the rest seem to be archives and attributions), I believe this is a theoretical situation they're asking on how an IP or non-confirmed user would be able to edit an article where both the main and talk pages are protected. that being said, they could register, wait for a bit of experience and autoconfirmation, and return; they could also request unprotection at RFPP if they don't believe the page needs to be protected anymore. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:04, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Editing a wiki page

Dear Editors,

I need help in adding a sub heading to the Frank Guggenheim Foundation page, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Frank_Guggenheim_Foundation, but I am having some problems doing so. 2A00:801:237:6C06:2C05:6971:C598:EE22 (talk) 21:19, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Do you mean a section heading? I'm not aware that Wikipedia does sub-headings. Anyway, what happens when you try? It seems that no-one has edited Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation for over a year. Maproom (talk) 21:37, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

2A00:801:237:6C06:2C05:6971:C598:EE22 Sub- headings and sub-sub headings follow the logic of headings. Sub-headings have 3 "=" on each side of the sub-heading name, and sub-sub headings have four "=" on each side.--Quisqualis (talk) 21:50, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

View history of the article shows no evidence that you have attempted to edit it, either as an IP or a registered account. David notMD (talk) 22:02, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Giving fame to domestic terrorists

Some experts on reducing terrorism (mass shootings bombings etc) say the perps seek fame and one way to reduce their frequency is for society to not shout their name from every rooftop. Do we have a consensus whether we redact certain names and suppress certain biographies to support this prevention effort? Or do we just handle those troubled souls with our standard P&G? Thanks NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 22:55, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

NewsAndEventsGuy Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. We have articles about the bad things in the world just as much as the good. We have Mother Teresa and Adolf Hitler. 331dot (talk) 23:08, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Not sure Mother Theresa is the example you'll want to use for good in the world... PRAXIDICAE🌈 23:10, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Seeing as how she's been dead a long time, what it suggests about the remaining "good in the world" would indeed be depressing.

Seriously though, 331dot, Hitler is a bad example since he too is long gone. A better example of what I'm talking about is Improvised_explosive_device where as you say we do report a lot of the bad now in the world. However, we are not including details that would let someone go build their own and create even more of it. The rationale behind that choice is violence prevention and the rationale behind "Deny recognition" in crime prevention is exactly the same. So we could still have our articles, say, on the Sandy Hook shooting, and a biography on the Sandy Hook shooter without identifying the perpetrator, just as we don't list ingredients for all those IEDs. And I only used Sandy Hook as a random example. The question arose elsewhere. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:24, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Ultimately it comes down to a combination of WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:EDITDISC. In my experience, there's no consensus for completely scrubbing names of terrorists. However, using their name sparingly and not using pictures is something that I have seen gain traction. ––FormalDude talk 23:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

No pic, that seems no brainerish. I'm on the fence about names. One benefit of making names known is so independent researchers (not plugged into government datasets) can try to tease out patterns. But if using names means that many more likely victims, its a painful cost for the uncertain longer term benefit. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:36, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

It's a controversial topic that causes a lot of dissent. The glamorization of terrorists on Wikipedia would make an interesting essay topic. ––FormalDude talk 23:41, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks I think I'll pass on this drama topic. I saw a truckload of related edits in my watch list and was trying to decide whether to get involved. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 23:44, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

How to edit a timeline?

The article Cradle of civilization includes near the bottom a section titled Timeline and a graph dating the founding civilizations of the world. I want to edit the graph but clicking the edit button, the timeline seems to have been put into the article by inserting only a template (if that is what it is called) of double curly brackets enclosing the words "World timeline." What is this? How does one go about editing the timeline? Smallchief (talk) 23:18, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

hi @Smallchief and welcome to the teahouse! you can find the page at {{Worldhistory}}. this template generates the timeline so it can be imported to other pages without repeating the code, and updates all other pages when it is updated. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 23:45, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Smallchief (talk) 00:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Smallchief: Melecie linked the wrong template. As you said, the code says {{World timeline}}. That means Template:World timeline is used. See more at Help:A quick guide to templates. This template uses the feature at Help:EasyTimeline syntax. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, for the alert response.Smallchief (talk) 09:13, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Which ISBN/publisher to use for a translated novel

I am writing an article about a French-language novel recently translated into English(Draft:Hadriana in All My Dreams) and the infobox for books recommends to use the ISBN/publisher of the original novel, but wouldn't it make more sense for the English-language Wikipedia to use the ISBN/publisher of the English translation? Many thanks Jaguarnik (talk) 00:56, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Jaguarnik - You may wish to review Template talk:Infobox book/Archive 4#Translated books case study if you haven't done so already. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Jaguarnik, your draft is about the French-language novel, so that is the work whose ISBN you should list. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Two Things

One: do you think that the sources in this draft are enough to establish notability?
And two, why is Screen Rant listed as a reliable source? It has a reputation as a content farm and churns out clickbaity articles. EDIT: Should it be used to establish notability?
Thanks, Vortex (talk) 06:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Screen Rant is considered a marginally reliable source, but there doesn't seem to be an overall consensus. You can view the relevant discussion here. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:52, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Twin

Hello,I would love to know if adding that a notable person has a twin sister is trivia? Example Noah Schnapp. I added that he has a twin sister named Chloe, another editor removed it saying I shouldn't add name of non notable minor,after debating we agreed on adding Noah has a twin sister only which I did and added citations. Another editor removed it saying is trivia ignoring the talk page which made me go straight to his user talk and question him. For an edit war not to begin I came here to know if adding that Noah Schnapp has a twin sister stand out as trivia? Thanks (also I don't know why "iii" are here I tried removing it but the won't go away) again Thanks Uricdivine (talk) 09:10, 19 June 2022 (UTC)iii

@Uricdivine: @Joeyconnick is not ignoring you, they gave justification in their edit summary and responded to you on their talk page. Unless you have a better source than Instagram, the content about his twin should not be added. ––FormalDude talk 09:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Fwiw, I re-added twin sister, also commented at Talk:Noah_Schnapp#Family. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Uricdivine Is this really important, worth spending time on? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 02:19, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude your wrong he ignored the talk page and reverted my edit which made me go to his user talk page direct. And are you trying to say Noah doesn't have a twin sister?,if you are that is pure ignorance because everyone knows this including stranger things cast and crew and the whole fandom. You said I need reliable sources but any citations I upload about Noah having a twin sister editors will remove which made me go straight to Instagram to find Chloe Schnapp page and also a link to Noah Schnapp page where he celebrated his birthday on October 3. @ Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uricdivine (talk • contribs) 13:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

How to format a textbox of a certain size

I want to reformat a textbox I made. It looks fine on my Firefox browser but another experienced editor has mentioned a very likely problem, so I'll quote him:

I noticed you used wikimarkup in the textbox to force line breaks. They look fine on my fullsize desktop. Do you already know how that will display on a wide range of devices using both the web and app versions of the en.wiki? Or how it gets crunched when other platforms echo our articles? I was just wondering if maybe such things are reasons to let the text line returns and box length-width change automatically to fit the users technology for best viewing? But like I said, I'm not really interested in learning the tech side of our markup magic, so I'll just leave you to wonder if the line breakmarkup should be reevaluated, or if its good as is. Thanks for caring. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2022 (UTC)

The box, with my formatting, is at Attempts to overturn the 2020 United States presidential election#Reactions. Here it is:

Dr. Eastman and President Trump launched a
campaign to overturn a democratic election,
an action unprecedented in American history.
Their campaign was not confined to the ivory tower—
it was a coup in search of a legal theory...
If Dr. Eastman and President Trump's plan had worked,
it would have permanently ended
the peaceful transition of power,
undermining American democracy and the Constitution.
If the country does not commit to investigating and
pursuing accountability for those responsible,
the Court fears January 6 will repeat itself.

-- Judge David O. Carter, United States district court

I suspect he has a point. What I need is a textbox that will look right for all browsers and cellphones. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 10:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

ValJean, no reason to use right justified text, centering, defined font size and forced breaks. Its not a poem where the style is as relevant as the words. Removing all of that excess formatting creates a blob of text that adjusts to screen size and doesn't look like an attempt to overemphasize parts of the quote.Slywriter (talk) 11:59, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

My focus is on just making a box at the right side of the screen. If I don't add line breaks, it becomes a box that extends from one side of the page to the other side. How can I keep it a box at the right (or left) side? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 12:19, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Here's what a plain quotebox looks like:

Dr. Eastman and President Trump launched a campaign to overturn a democratic election, an action unprecedented in American history. Their campaign was not confined to the ivory tower—it was a coup in search of a legal theory... If Dr. Eastman and President Trump's plan had worked, it would have permanently ended the peaceful transition of power, undermining American democracy and the Constitution. If the country does not commit to investigating and pursuing accountability for those responsible, the Court fears January 6 will repeat itself.
-- Judge David O. Carter, United States district court

I want a plain rightaligned smaller box of the size above. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 12:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Okay, now fixed using a width parameter. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 13:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

References

Can I make a page in my user namespace unvisible?

Suppose I have a subpage in my user namespace. Can I make this subpage invisible to other users whatever the reason is? Regpath (talk) 11:24, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Don't think so, but you can hide it from webcrawling search engines (google, bing etc) by putting {{noindex}} at the top. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:27, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Regpath (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. No, that is not possible. All pages on Wikipedia are potentially visible to all. Some are harder to find than others, but all edits to all pages appear in the Recent Changes log. If you don't want other people to see something you are doing, do not put it on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Sometimes when I'm involved in WP:WIKIDRAMA with an editor who lacks competence in the interests of not pouring gas on the fire I'll try to prep a request for enforcement action but don't want the problem editor to see it until I'm ready for them to see it. So what I do is draft in my Sandbox, and hit preview to verify the markup, but actually save that work in an offwiki text editor. I also use the "nowiki" tags around their user names so they don't get notified if I slip and post my draft by mistake. If I do make that slip and really really care, I ask for that user page to get deleted and just hope the other party doesn't monitor my contribs and explode when they prematurely see a draft. At the same time,I resume work on a different userpage, but again only hitting preview and not "post" NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 11:35, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

This extension for VS Code also works quite well. 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 20:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

That's interesting thanks. I don't have brain capacity to read the tech manuals and deal with the steep learning curve. Are there any good training videos or something? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

The trouble with the naming convention of a television article

Hello! I am planning to create a new article, but I am having trouble with its naming convention because it is a live-action yet it shares the same title and season as Laid-Back Camp (season 2), and they both released in the same year (2021). If I understand the WP:NCTV and WP:MOS-AM correctly then I'm thinking of naming it as Laid-Back Camp (TV series 2). Am I right? Or what would be the best title for the new article? Centcom08 (talk) 13:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Centcom08: I recommend Laid-Back Camp (live action). There should be one new merged article entitled Laid-Back Camp (animated), and the episode guides should be forked off into two articles, List of Laid-Back Camp episodes - Season 1 (animated) and List of Laid-Back Camp episodes - Season 2 (animated). That gives you some flexibility. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thank you so much! You gave me an idea of what to do. Centcom08 (talk) 23:41, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Can I get a comprehensive list of subpages under my user namespace?

I found that search in the 'User' namespace with my user.name as a keyword shows subpages under my username space, but they also include other users' subpages. Can I see only under my user namespace? Regpath (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi Regpath - at the bottom of your "contributions" page are several links - click on "subpages" - Best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 13:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Regpath: Sure. See Special:PrefixIndex/User:Regpath/. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:17, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

If you want to get rid of any subpages use Template:db-user and then wait a little bit a poof! They're gone. Be sure to send thanks to whoever helps you with it. Their user name will appear in your watchlist under and entry for "Deletion log" NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Article authors

where is the author of an article displayed Footballandgames (talk) 14:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Footballandgames: Assuming you're refering to Wikipedia articles, articles often have mutiple authors. All authors are listed in the page history. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:43, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Footballandgames, If you want to see the biggest contributors on an article, a useful tool to use is XTools. To view statistics on a page (Like the user with the most edits to a page), go to a page's history (View History), and on "External Links" go to "Page statistics". Here's an example. Urban Versis 32^KB ⚡ ^{(talk | contribs)} 18:15, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Philipp Hochmair

Hello, I have a very big request.

I have been waiting for my draft - Draft:Philipp Hochmair - to be reviewed for almost four months and have revised it many times. Could someone please look at it and let me know if anything else is wrong so it doesn't get filed again.

I would appreciate it very much. Pacsolis (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Pacsolis Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As noted on your draft, it could take four months "or more" for a review. Reviews are conducted by volunteers in no particular order(it is not a queue). Please continue to be patient. 331dot (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick reply.

The waiting time is quite understandable and I am also quite patient. I just wanted to know if a quick look at my design reveals anything that is wrong, since I have already been rejected several times.

Many greetings Pacsolis (talk) 18:09, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Pacsolis, I would guess your draft is good enough to be accepted if reviewed. But I am not a reviewer.

I note that the first two references are to interviews or accounts of meetings with the subject, the third is just a listing, and the fourth is an "about us" section. So arguably none of these counts as an independent in-depth discussion. There are some better references later. Reviewers may be deterred from completing a review if they read the first four sources without finding reason to accept; so if you want to expedite the review process, you could consider removing some of those early references (with the content they support). You can always put the content back in again later. Maproom (talk) 19:37, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

This draft has now been accepted and is at Philipp Hochmair. Cullen328 (talk) 22:05, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your support so far. Now I have one - hopefully - last question.

How to remove the template on the page?

I have shown my point of view on the talk page. Pacsolis (talk) 07:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

How to link? (Cities/Towns & Subdivisions)

When editing/creating an article about a town or city, do you link it as one (e.g. Portland, Maine) or separately (e.g. Portland, Maine)? L'Mainer (talk) 18:50, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@L'Mainer: Use the first one, where there is just one link. See Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking RudolfRed (talk) 19:39, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Thank you! L'Mainer (talk) 19:42, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Possibility to merge the discussions

Hi. I have made a discussion on the proposal to re-introduce the notability guideline for at least of soccer (football) players and or coaches, and I have realized that I was all over the place at those two discussions are somehow related to these proposals [[2]], and [[3]]. Is it possible to merge those discussions into the one section so it makes everything a bit organize to discuss further? Thank you Ivan Milenin (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

P.S. They are also trying to discuss the leagues of which player's would receive significant coverage, so is it approbate to add another topic for notbalitly sports section, or at the wiki leagues? Thank you again. Ivan Milenin (talk) 18:51, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

My page was removed

Hello my name is Botswana. My page on The Organization was recently taken down because it “wasn’t constructive “. The thing is though, The Organization is a real thing that is torturing people against their human rights. It is secret but it can control apps and games and stuff. It even controls TikTok! Please put my page back up and help me and all the others dealing with The Organization. Anti Organization (talk) 20:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, @Anti Organization, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia requires reliable sources backing up claims. Please see the article wizard for future drafting. Thanks, 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 20:40, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

OP has an indefinite block ("Clearly not here to build an encyclopedia"). -- Hoary (talk) 21:38, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Infobox Election making.

Please help me I just want to know how to make a election page. Such as the United States presidential of 2004 Daboof12345 (talk) 22:02, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Daboof12345, and welcome to the Teahouse. Writing an encyclopaedia article in Wikipedia (which is what you are asking about, rather than just "making a page") is one of the most difficult tasks there is for inexperienced editors, and those who try it before they have learnt how Wikipedia works often have a frustrating and disappointing time. For that reason I always advise new editors to spend a few months learning how Wikipedia works by making small edits to some of our six million existing articles before they try it.

Nevertheless, if you wish to try, you may do so. Creating an article about an election is exactly the same as creating an article about anything else: you should start by finding the the reliable independent published sources which cover the subject before you ever try writing a single word of it. Your first article has much more information. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Daboof12345 Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia already has an article about the 2004 United States presidential election. For what specific election are you interested in creating a new article? GoingBatty (talk) 03:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Creating Citations

Hi there! I’d like to add a citation to an article, and I’m certain that I’m doing it wrong. Here is what I did;

1. I pasted the cite web markup template into the article, in source view.

2. I added the URL for the website I’m citing into the correct place in the markup template, along with the website title and the access date in their places.

3. I published my changes.

• The result was that the citation appeared, in full, at the end of the paragraph.

• Additionally, the citation did not appear in the reference list at the bottom of the article.

• What I want is for my citation to appear as a number at the end of the paragraph, like the other in-text citations, and for the full text of the citation to appear in the reference list.

Advice would be greatly appreciated!! :)) Atomic putty? Rien! (talk) (talk) 22:03, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

— EDIT: I figured it out!

References

To clarify for other readers, an inline reference requires an opening <ref> tag and a closing </ref> tag. Cullen328 (talk) 22:25, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Moderator Complaint

How does one go about making a complaint about a particularly rude moderator? Eagleye1001 (talk) 22:48, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Eagleye1001: It doesn't look like anyone has been particularly rude to you. See Wikipedia:Staying cool when the editing gets hot. ––FormalDude talk 22:54, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

@Eagleye1001: I concur that no one has been particularly rude to you. I think some frustration with your edits may have creeped into their comments, but they weren't so rude as to require some sort of action in my opinion. I'd let this go and heed the advice you are being given. 331dot (talk) 22:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Will do. Eagleye1001 (talk) 22:58, 19 June 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have Moderators. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:43, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Informal ban on Archive.today shortlinks

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

---

There's an experienced user going around, BrownHairedGirl making thousands of edits replacing the short archive.today links with the long versions. If this was anyone in my tier, it would be considered unconstructive. She ordered a bot to do it with her, under her name, even claiming the bot was doing it first but she never showed such, especially independent of her. Is this even really okay? CreecregofLife (talk) 00:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Wrong venue. Village Pump, relvant policy page if looking to change/clarify policy or ANI, if you believe it's a behavioral issue. Regardless, Teahouse is not for contentious discussion. Also, good practice to notify an editor when you mention them especially in a scenario like this. Slywriter (talk) 00:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @BrownHairedGirl:. @CreecregofLife, did you ask BrownHairedGirl why they are doing this? If you had done so, I assume they would have directed you to this RFC. CodeTalker (talk) 00:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

We had an entire discussion on my talkpage, where she went on to act passive aggressive, condescending, and incorporate heavy DARVO. And no, it is not courteous to ping the person that a bad experience just occurred with. It’s like calling someone’s abuser when the confiding person is trying to get away from the abuser. I needed somewhere to talk about it without them, and the solution was to ambush a ping in the form of courtesy? That’s a trust-shatterer. She never linked to the RFC. CreecregofLife (talk) 00:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, @CodeTalker.

CreecregofLife's conduct has been hostile and dismissive throughout, repeatedly asserting demonstrable falsehoods, using aggressive hyperbole, demanding that I "concede", and even denying that a third opinion agreed with me, then deleting[4] the comment where I pointed that out.

They clearly don't understand how IAbot works, and have a completely ignored my attempts to explain it, choosing instead to falsely accuse me of denying ownership. Then they have the cheek to call me an "abuser".

All very unpleasant. Please can someone try to persuade CreecregofLife to desist from the aggression which they have shown me over the last hour? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:01, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@CreecregofLife, are you asking a question about whether these edits were good, as your original OP seemed to be asking, or are you complaining about BHG's behavior? If the former, I hope that the RFC and the help page which summarizes its outcome (here) clarifies that long form archive.today URLs are not only acceptable, but preferred to short form URLs, and that using a bot to make these changes is perfectly acceptable. If the latter, you should open an ANI report, but I can say that I've read the thread on your talk page and your obstinancy and apparent inability to understand what several other editors are saying are more apparent than any condescension by BHG. CodeTalker (talk) 01:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

It would be a surreal experience to have to answer to an ANI complaint by an editor who has explicitly compared me to a sexual abuser because I tried to explain to my actions to them, and who objects to a courtesy ping to notify the person with whom hey had a disagreement. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:22, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Off wiki wikibashing

Do we care if editors bash the project and engage in activism against donations to the project? I mean, yeah, we probably care. But do any of the policies and guidelines address that behavior? (Disclaimer... although I'm presenting working in the area of US politics, the editor I ran across doing this on another platform is not.) NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 01:37, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

There's no real way to control what's done on other websites since none of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines would apply to such things as explained here and here. Even things like WP:BLP and WP:HARASSMENT only apply, in principle, to Wikipedia or Wikipedia user accounts; in other words, even if an account was blocked from editing Wikipedia, there would be no way to block the same person from editing other websites unless it was done by those websites themselves. Whether "you" care is entirely up to you, but personally I don't think there's anything that can be done via Wikipedia. Lots of people are unhappy with things Wikipedia and many often post about their unhappiness on other websites or on social media. There's not much that can be done from a Wikipedia perspective as long as such things stay off of Wikipedia. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to write all that. Pretty much what I thought. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 02:14, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Recording Artist And Dj looking for wikipedia page.

Google search "corey croft music" pulls up all my releases but I'm looking for a wikipedia page. Coreycroft (talk) 04:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Coreycroft, and welcome to the Teahouse! Please use the article wizard when creating new articles; in particular, we highly discourage writing about yourself, and if you do so, you need to disclose a conflict of interest. Cheers, 🐶 EpicPupper ^{(he/him | talk)} 04:22, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Coreycroft, By starting here at the teahouse, you have saved your self some headaches. Namely, Wikipedia documents what reliable sources say (See WP:RS, WP:V). Notability is established through those reliable sources (WP:GNG,WP:NMUSIC). So, while google shows you exist, there is nothing from reliable sources for wikipedia to work with. The way this works is get famous and you can have a wikipedia article, not use Wikipedia to get famous (WP:PROMO). Finally, it is not always a good idea to have a wikipedia article, as you will have zero control of the content published (WP:AUTO).

So now that you have saved yourself time and aggravation, use that time to make music (or to help edit wikipedia in other ways) and if/when the time comes that you meet the requirements for a wikipedia article, most likely someone else will create it. Slywriter (talk) 04:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

A frequent misunderstanding at Wikipedia is that people assume that listing their output in music, film, TV, books, etc. is sufficient to establish notability, thus justifying an article. That type of information can be included in an article, but what is needed is published content about the person, created by people with no personal or paid connection to the person. (I oversimplify a bit there, but the guidance at WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC applies.) David notMD (talk) 08:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Another frequent misunderstanding is that a Wikipedia article about you, if such a thing were to exist, would be in any way "your page". It would not belong to you, it would not be controlled by you, it should be based almost entirely on what people unconnected with you had published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say, it may end up with content that you don't like, and above all it may never be used for promotion of any kind. ColinFine (talk) 10:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

How do I jump to a specific line in an article?

For example I'd like to jump to Line 518 in the article Romance languages. How do I do that? DE100 (talk) 09:16, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

hi @DE100 and welcome to the teahouse! unfortunately there is no easy way to do this (unless you are in chrome or edge and know how to encode a link to highlight a specific portion of an article, which I don't). but if you want to link to a section instead (which is possible and easy), you can link using hashes as such: WP:Teahouse#Creating Citations jumps you in the thread a few threads above. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick answer. DE100 (talk) 09:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "line 518" in an article: people look at articles on different devices, on different browsers, and with different screen sizes: the lines get split differently. ColinFine (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

It may not make any sense, but diffs do list line numbers, and the latest diff for Romance languages [5] does indeed say that it is for line 518, and it is independent of my display settings. Meters (talk) 10:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Article Unable to Publish

Here they say Draft:Ceno (rapper) that formal language issue but when i now added corrected one it goes to speedy delete. Gfxseries (talk) 13:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Gfxseries Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. We don't need an entire url- to link to another page on Wikipedia, simply place the target title of the Wikipedia page you want to link to in double brackets, like this, [[Draft:Ceno (rapper)]] . That draft was tagged with an author request deletion that you appear to have added, did you not intend to do that? 331dot (talk) 13:11, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Ceno (rapper) Gfxseries (talk) 13:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

About User:Eric behavior of removing a large number of city's built-in climate data templates.

I find his editorial behavior very puzzling, he thinks adding climate data to the article will affect the layout of the article. But that's not a valid reason for him to purge the climate class template, and there are plenty of articles with climate data to disprove his point, like Yerbogachen or Antipayuta. 迷斯拉10032号 (talk) 13:20, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

It's not clear what the dispute here is, but if there is a dispute, this is not really an appropriate venue. You may try WP:AN or WP:ANI instead. ThadeusOfNazereth(he/they)^{Talk to Me!} 13:58, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

First article

How do I save and return to my drafted article? Fijipedia (talk) 14:53, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Fijipedia, welcome to the Teahouse - all you should need to do is press the button that says "Publish". 174.21.23.32 (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

You have an empty draft at Draft:Liverpool F.C 4-0 FC Barcelona. Be aware that there is mention of the game and its importance at 2018–19 UEFA Champions League knockout phase.David notMD (talk) 17:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Date time template

I want to put a template that displays the day month and year such as June 20 2022 in an article in my user space. I found a template that uses only numbers named Today ymd at Template:Today ymd but I want to insert words and not numbers. Is there a way to create a template like this? ScientistBuilder (talk) 15:25, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I think there might be a way to use Javascript but I'm not sure how to make a script with javascript programming on my own. ScientistBuilder (talk) 15:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder, the Template:Date provides the current date. Kpddg ^(talk) 15:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I found a template

5:17 pm on 9 September 2024

but it doesn't change when I reload the page. ScientistBuilder (talk) 15:32, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

You might need to purge the page. Kpddg ^(talk) 15:38, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Repeating a topic on a talk page?

(I think this is the correct place to ask about this? If not, my bad)

I have come across a book with a summary that leaves out significant portions of the plot. So much that I am uncomfortable adding it in. I went to the talk page to bring it up, but saw that someone else already has, but in 2010. Would it be acceptable to bring it up again? There is not much else on the talk page. Natasha862 (talk) 15:33, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you can definitely raise this again on the talk page. You can do it yourself as well. Kpddg ^(talk) 15:35, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Natasha862,and welcome to the Teahouse. It is usually a judgment call whether to edit an article directly, or to discuss it first on the talk page. Generally, if somebody else has already suggested a change on the talk page that you agree with, and nobody has disagreed, you're pretty safe in making the edit yourself. The worst that can happen is that somebody else comes along and reverts, and then you can discuss it further on the talk page. See WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 15:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

What do I do here?

KibolLP keeps changing a few things without a clear source, they seem to have been warned about this before on their talk page but they aren't responding. They're randomly changing dates on various articles and I can't tell what for. Among Us for POTUS (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, they responded on the talk page, it seems fine Among Us for POTUS (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Question About Independent Sources

This is a reply to a question that I was asked on my talk page about a source analysis table that I had provided in an AFD, and I would like the comments of other experienced editors. The question was asked at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Robert_McClenon#Just_wish_to_understand_a_little . I had included a source analysis table at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warina Hussain, and was asked what is meant by Independent Sources. That is discussed in the guideline on Independent Sources. Since the article in question is about a person, the answer to the question is really (a), whether the source is connected directly or indirectly to the actress. A source that is connected to the entertainment industry in general may be positive, neutral, or negative about the actress. Sources generally associated with the entertainment industry may in fact be more likely to know about her, so being associated with the entertainment industry does not make a source non-independent, unless it is associated with the subject or her agent or agency. A source that is in the business of promoting the Indian cinema industry might not be independent. Option (c), about political outlook, is not really about the independence of sources, but about the bias of sources, which is a different related and important question. That is my thought. Do other experienced editors want to comment? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Robert McClenon. There are many entertainment industry sources that are both independent and reliable. So, a focus on the entertainment industry does not invalidate a source. I am not sure how political bias affects entertainment coverage. If reliable sources say different things about an actor based on different political affiliations, that should be reflected in a neutral article. Paid news in India explains the difficulties of finding truly independent news coverage of Indian topics. Cullen328 (talk) 18:36, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Wow, @Cullen328, I didn't know we had that article! I knew we couldn't trust Indian sources for news about the entertainment industry. Hadn't realized it extended to basically all living people and current businesses. That sucks. valereee (talk) 18:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Valereee. Also worth reading is The Times of India#Paid news. Cullen328 (talk) 18:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Jaysus. valereee (talk) 18:54, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Cullen328. I forgot to notify User:Bookku, who had asked me originally. That confirms my doubts about Indian entertainment media. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:23, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

ToI isn't even entertainment media. They're a newspaper of record in India. valereee (talk) 19:47, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

This, unfortunately, means that it is often difficult to find reliable sources about people in India, because so much of the coverage is likely to be untrustworthy. The Hindu is a reliable newspaper of record in India, but the Times of India is not. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Article Review

Citation has been added to draft:Ceno (rapper) so kindly move it to article space. Gfxseries (talk) 18:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

That's not how this works, go back and resubmit it through the Article Creation process. I'll say though that it appears that all the "citations" you added are just to discography-type pages, apple.com, etc... That's not gonna cut it. ValarianB (talk) 18:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Gfxseries. That draft in its current form has zero chance of being accepted. The references are pretty much worthless. Please read and study Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 18:40, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

STATUS: Declined, then Rejected, and miscellany-nominated for deletion. Paid editors are expected to demonstrate competence. The draft has no reliable source references. David notMD (talk) 19:22, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Article Draft Declined (Need help)

Hi there,

I created an article for UBC Faculty of Forestry and it got declined when I submitted it for reviewing. The reason is "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article." It would really help me if anyone of you could help me figure out how I should fix it.

Thank you

Draft:UBC Faculty of Forestry Dhritibansal (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse, articles are based on what independent sources have reported in significant detail about a topic your draft has zero independent sources. You cannot use their own website to establish notability. Theroadislong (talk) 19:17, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dhritibansai, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 19:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

United States Football League (2022)

•  Courtesy link: United States Football League (2022)

I removed the word minor, according to this article (link: https://www.ctinsider.com/business/article/Why-Stamford-s-NBC-Sports-is-broadcasting-a-new-17087690.php) - Jon Miller, NBC Sports' president of programming, “but this is not a developmental league. This is a competitive, professional league that will be designed to be its own league and have its own identity." Therefore the "rebooted" USFL is not a developmental, or in that case, minor league. Hope that helps. 2600:8805:AA00:730:E586:33D2:3350:28EC (talk) 19:42, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, "Catfurball" kept adding the word minor. I gave the link above and thought that was sufficient that it's a major league with its own identity or platform. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8805:AA00:730:E586:33D2:3350:28EC (talk) 19:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Don't engage in an edit war. You and @Catfurball: should discuss this on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 19:49, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Alternative article source link

I want to add a pdf link to a source but I already have a URL. Is there a way to add a second URL? ScientistBuilder (talk) 20:18, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Can you be more specific? What kind of url do you have now? Ruslik_Zero 20:39, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

What is a host

a host is a person who helps people get more information about Wikipedia pages 41.116.48.52 (talk) 21:02, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! we hosts help new editors answer questions regarding Wikipedia and editing it, not giving information about articles in the encyclopedia (although we do often give information about the website's policies, which are usually in pages prefixed with Wikipedia:). for that, you might want to try out the Reference desk. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:12, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Writing an article about a company

Hello, i have started a draft for Alpha High Theft Solutions, i'm just wondering if it's ok since i'm not affiliated with the company in any way and also wondering if the sources are WP:RS

Sincrely OGWFP (talk) 21:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP: It is very much ok that you are not affiliated with the company. Your sources seem to be from the company website, instead they need to be from independent sources. I suggest you check out WP:YFA for advice on how to create an article. RudolfRed (talk) 21:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Roblox Games not having an article.

I searched up Roblox on Wikipedia and it shows some description. When I looked at the templates, there is an article about "Adopt Me!" Seeming, it is an only article about an Roblox game. But for some reason, there aren't articles about other Roblox games. That includes Work at the Pizza Place, Welcome to Bloxburg, Speed Run, and Zombie Rush, even they are played by tons of users. Since this game has a huge fanbase and popularity, why not create articles about each Roblox game. That would inform readers about the content and the gameplay. Just like other console games, Roblox is about new information and I think there should be a list about each game created. Can you explain why Roblox games don't have an article except Adopt Me? Thank you for answering my question and my curiosity. -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 00:51, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user and welcome to the teahouse! popularity isn't the reason why games (or anything for that matter) get an article. articles are created only if they have significant coverage in reliable sources| such as news articles, which Adopt Me! has had. if you could find these sources and establish their notability, an article could be created. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:09, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Why many Roblox Games except for Adopt Me, do not have a significant coverage in reliable sources| such as news articles? Why popularity does not determine notability in Roblox Games? Any further information? 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 01:16, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Adopt Me Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Work at the Pizza Place Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

let's use these as an example. click the News link from here for each of them, which would be the most relevant one to use here (searching for books and scholar would be more appropriate for scholarly/scientific topics). Adopt Me! has gotten some coverage documenting its life and development, while Work at the Pizza Place seems to only be covered in sources documenting opinions on what the best Roblox games are (plural), which isn't enough to establish notability.

additionally, something can be popular but not have enough reliable sources to build an article with, which are required in an article. plus popularity is also a very subjective and thoughts on whether something is popular (especially on a global scale) may vary from person to person. so instead of dealing with whether something is popular or not, we deal with whether something has enough sources to back up its existence and whatever is said in the article. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:39, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Explain that while Wikipedia is about reliable sources, why popularity is also a very subjective that may vary from person to person? Does merchandise count as a notability since there are real-life toys about Roblox? -- 2601:205:C001:EA0:CD77:605F:EFF3:6FE9 (talk) 01:43, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

Passive voice

How do I improve the neutrality? I can’t think of a simpler way to convey the information about the subject. Draft:Brana Dane ChrisWallace22 (talk) 01:22, 21 June 2022 (UTC)