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August 24

Force subst

Is there a template or module that forces you to subst a template? Thanks in advance FatalFit | ✉ | ✓  04:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Forces? No. But {{require substitution}} will complain loudly at you if you don't. See, for example, Template:Rfd top for what it looks like. —Cryptic 06:17, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Or use {{subst only|auto=yes}} to have AnomieBOT substitute all uses. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 14:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem with display of local map in the infobox

This request concerns the local map in the infobox for Lidsdale. The local map is currently displaying an area of sea off the coast of West Africa (probably just zero degrees latitude and zero degrees longitude), instead of the area expected from the coordinates (33°23'24"S, 150°5'5"E). The article is correctly linked from Wikidata item Q31405419, and in the page information for the article the relevant Wikidata item is (as expected) Q31405419. I have looked at very similar articles, like Wallerawang, in which the local map is being correctly displayed, and I cannot see anything yet that seems different in the set up for Lidsdale. However, Lidsdale's local map is not showing the correct local area, even though its location map seems to be fine. If anyone could point me in the right direction on this problem, I would appreciate that greatly. Thanks.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 06:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I had a go at this, looked at all the documentation, tried some tries, and couldn't make any headway. Confirmed mapframe. I see you've already experimented with altering the coordinates on Wikidata by one second. Module talk:Australian place map is a redlink, but Template talk:Infobox Australian place isn't. That might be the next port of call. Hopefully someone there will have a better idea. Folly Mox (talk) 07:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: The problem may be that https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6044563 (Lidsdale) doesn't have a wikidata field to retrieve coordinates from. For comparison, https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6056455 (Wallerawang) says wikidata Q7963054. I don't contribute to OpenStreetMap. Our own article Lidsdale is connected to Lidsdale (Q31405419) which has the coordinates but that may not be enough. The Wikidata entry links to the OpenStreetMap entry but there is no link the opposite way. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:Thank you. Your suggestion, that the issue is at the openstreetmap end, certainly makes very good sense. I have not had anything to do with openstreetmap (yet), but that seems to be the next stop.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox:I tried the suggestion from PrimeHunter. That was to add the Wikidata item at https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6056455 , which I did as a first time editor of OpenStreetMaps. Alas, the local map is still not displaying, in the infobox, but now, if I click on that local map box (to display the local map in full screen), voila the correct map is displayed (full screen). So, there is still something amiss, but definitely progress has been made. Any further suggestions would be welcomed.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 07:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: The local map displays for me without having to click it. Try to bypass your cache on the article. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:12, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox: Keeping the change mentioned above in place, I finally got it to work by adding the field 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' to the infobox in Lidsdale and setting it to Q31405419. (I had tried this before, but in the absence of the Wikidata item ID in OpenStreetMaps, it previously did nothing.) Now, the local map is appearing in the infobox. I think what I have done, in this second change, really should not have been necessary (compare to the infobox for Wallerawang, which does not use 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' but still displays the local map correctly). So, there is probably still something a little wrong, but the local map now works, even if possibly just by 'brute force'. Thanks for coming to my aid, much appreciated. TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@TrimmerinWiki: It worked for me before your edit and the former version [1] still works for me. I think this was a cache issue. Note the bypass your cache instructions about holding down Ctrl or Shift. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:@Folly Mox: Just saw comment from PrimeHunter at 08:12, 25 August 2023, above. Yes, you are right! I guess making a new revision of the article, for any reason, also has the effect of renewing the cache. I just reverted the last change, by removing the field 'Local Map Wikidata Item ID' in the infobox in Lidsdale and, true enough, I can still see the local map. Thanks again! I feel better now that the problem is 100% fixed, and that I have learned something useful from the exercise.TrimmerinWiki (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

T.V.Gopalakrishnan

The Wikepedia page on the above mentioned person is wrong. Tab: About: Children. G.Vishwanath - (1964-12023) G. Ramanath Aparna Raghavan

The person Devie Neithiyar does not exist. Can you please correct this on the page as I cannot access it?

Thank you Aparna Raghavan Bijuanna (talk) 06:28, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Bijuanna, you're asking about the article T. V. Gopalakrishnan. You can make a suggestion for this page on Talk:T. V. Gopalakrishnan. Be sure to supply reliable sources for what you say. The article T. V. Gopalakrishnan does not mention "Devie Neithiyar" and I don't understand what you're saying about this person (or non-person). -- Hoary (talk) 06:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. In children it says : Devie Neithyar- she is not his daughter. Yhis should be updated! I am his daughter! thanks Aparna Bijuanna (talk) 08:55, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

For additional comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections for every comment. Note that we can't just take your word that you are this person's daughter, it needs to be documented somewhere verifiable.

Please also read conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 09:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Do you want my passport copy? How can you add a person without verification and ask the the real daughter a verification. Unbelievable. Bijuanna (talk) 09:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Do not give copies of identity documents to anyone. I personally believe you are who you say you are, but to put this in an article it needs to be documented somewhere in a reliable source. If the current information is incorrect and unsourced, it can be removed. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I can confirm that the current information is incorrect and unsourced, I can confirm - so please remove the name Devie Neithiyar from children topic.

Thank you very much

Aparna Bijuanna (talk) 09:26, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere in T. V. Gopalakrishnan where it discusses his children, incorrectly or otherwise. 331dot (talk) 09:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I didn't see this either. Bijuanna, are you sure you're asking about English-language Wikipedia (and not Wikipedia in some other language, or some other website that's a derivative of Wikipedia)? -- Hoary (talk) 10:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I guess the op is talking about Google's search result here [2] Wikipedia has no control over this, you would have to approach Google about any incorrect information. Theroadislong (talk) 10:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

But the "children" part of that panel lists Aparna (who I think is the OP), not Devie Neithyar. --Viennese Waltz 11:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you - how can I change that? Bijuanna (talk) 12:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately that panel is managed by Google, not Wikipedia. There is a little grey Feedback button in the bottom right corner of the panel, you can click that to send feedback directly to Google who may chose to update it. Wikipedia has no control over the contents of that panel, sorry. Qcne (talk) 12:10, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I already complained to Google and they gave me your helpdesk! Unbelievable that i am running from one door to another a basic mistake of some ramdom person mentioned as my sibliy! Can we find out who gave this wierd info? Please see message from Google below: Bijuanna (talk) 12:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Message from Google:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting us.

As our team supports queries only about knowledge panels. Unfortunately, we cannot answer your questions about “Wikipedia”. Please contact Wikipedia Help Center for further assistance.

Please let us know if you have questions about the Google knowledge panel. We will be glad to assist you.

Regards,

Rishitha

Google knowledge panel support team Bijuanna (talk) 12:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry Google has told you to come to our Help Desk. Please remember we all unpaid volunteers here at Wikipedia.

On the Google Knowledge Panel I cannot actually see where it mentions that his child is "Devie Neithiyar". I do not see this person anywhere on that panel. On my screen it shows "Aparna Raghavan". If you Google both phrases together, you can see that a website called 'EverybodyWiki' states she is the foster daughter of Gopalakrishnan. I wonder if the Google Knowledge Panel is pulling that information from that website? 'EverybodyWiki' has no connection to Wikipedia. I'm sorry we cannot be of any further assistance. Qcne (talk) 13:06, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

To Bijuanna: perhaps you could give a link or a screenshot that shows where you are seeing Devie Neithiyar listed as one of his children? None of us here can see it. --Viennese Waltz 13:14, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Article on forthcoming Rolling Stones album

Hackney Diamonds was created yesterday, following the discovery of a teaser ad in a London newspaper. The ad is widely believed to refer to a forthcoming Rolling Stones album. Regarding the artwork, the article states that it was posted on the band's social media profiles, but this is not correct. It was actually posted inadvertently on the design agency's website, and has since been taken down. So I'm not sure it's OK to have this artwork in the article. Nothing official has yet been announced by the band or their management concerning this album. By the way, I'm well aware that the correct place to discuss these issues would be the article's talk page, but by posting here I'm hoping to reach a wider audience. Courtesy ping to User:Koavf, who created the article. --Viennese Waltz 09:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

If you want to reach a wider audience than just the talk page, you may make a Request for Comment on the talk page(instead of just writing there). 331dot (talk) 09:21, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I wasn't aware of that process and it looks useful. However, as it says there, "RfCs are time consuming, and editor time is valuable." I don't have a horse in this race, I was just drawing attention to the issue in case anyone else feels strongly enough to do something about it. --Viennese Waltz 11:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Viennese Waltz: If you want a more targeted noticeboard likely to receive more response, and from users with more interest in the matter WP:MCQ is a noticeboard exactly designed for questions regarding media at Wikipedia. You'll likely get better responses (and more participation) there than here. --Jayron32 12:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, that indeed looks like the most useful board. I'll post the query there. --Viennese Waltz 13:12, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Donation

I would like to donate but your payment portal does not include my bank (SBI) for bank transfers. Kindly look into this matter. 14.139.185.183 (talk) 11:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi IP editor. Unfortunately this is the Wikipedia Help Desk - we don't have anything to do with the donation campaigns run by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please email donate@wikimedia.org who may be able to help. Qcne (talk) 12:08, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Aldo, Giovanni & Giacomo

On this page, have I added the honours in the right place? Should they be inserted before the "See also" paragraph? JackkBrown (talk) 12:23, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JackkBrown. The Honours section is in the right place, but I think the Miscellaneous section can be mostly deleted as it just contains trivial biographical information. Feel free to do that if you'd like! Qcne (talk) 12:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Qcne: I added the template "One source", since the page currently has 1 reference. JackkBrown (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Link to 1911 Britannica

I'm looking at this edit and I cannot see what it's trying to achieve. Following the link in the footnote takes me to Encyclopaedia Britannica. Not a specific page of it that might source the information in the preceding sentence about Succession Duty, but the entire eleventh edition. Is this edit correct and if so why/how? Is it good faith but somehow incomplete or malformed? Or just vandalistic? Sorry to bring it here but I've no idea how to respond to it. AndyJones (talk) 12:31, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

When you asked the person who did it about the edit, what did they say? --Jayron32 12:37, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

AndyJones, the intended source is probably wikisource:1911 Encyclopædia Britannica/Succession Duty, there is a special template for the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica at Template:Cite EB1911. TSventon (talk) 16:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The approval to use WW2 Maps in my New Book

In Wikipedia and Operation Retribution 1942 there is a map which details the Straight of Sicily and is by Norman Einstein. My book is all about the battles fought in the Western Desert in November 1942 to May 1943 and Operation Retribution was key to the capture of 250,000 Axis troops and stopped them evacuating to Sicily and then Europe. I am trying to obtain consent from the originator of the map to allow me to use it in my new book. Thank you Philip Lamb - Author PhilipWJL (talk) 14:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PhilipWJL. Is this the image you mean? As you can see from that link, it has been released under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported licence. You can therefore reuse it in your book with the appropriate attribution, keeping the license the same. Qcne (talk) 14:44, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your swift response to my enquiry. Yes, this is the map I would like to use

in my New Book 'The Tunisian Campaign'. The reason for the request is due to the fact that most publishers are very wary regarding copyright and they need to have ponsented rpoof that this isn't an issue.

Many thank for your proof of consent. Philip Lamb 82.39.186.68 (talk) 14:58, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Good luck with your book! :) Qcne (talk) 14:59, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Problem in article

In the article Logarithm, I'm getting a lot of red messages, e.g. " Failed to parse (SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin): Invalid response ("Math extension cannot connect to Restbase.") from server "http://localhost:6011/en.wikipedia.org/v1/":): {\displaystyle \log_b(xy) = \log_b x + \log_b y,} " I tried Firefox, Crome, and Edge - they all have the problem. Is there something I need to install? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 15:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bubba73 It is rendering OK on my standard Windows/Edge browser. You probably need expert advice from WP:VPT folk. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:29, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Works fine for me with Firefox. Maybe this helps: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Math#Viewing_math. -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Apparently you're not the only one who has run into this recently. See: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Math_parsing_error -- Random person no 362478479 (talk) 19:00, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Resolved

Well, now 3+ hours later, it is working. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

The International Centre for Birds of Prey

Hello, I have just been informed that someone calling themselves Saker 99 has put information on the page about ICBP. Not only is the information an absolute lie, but is it libelous as well. The Charities commisson is not looking at the ICBP, the Centre did not close because of that. Jemima Parry Jones did not illegally import any birds, far from it she appeared in court as an expert witness against the person who did import them. I am Jemima Parry-Jones and I have always supported Wikipedia, but no longer I am afraid. How you can let this sort of libal happen amazes me Aquila 1949 (talk) 15:25, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Aquila 1949.

Wikipedia is built on the foundational principal that anyone can edit. Unfortunately this does mean that vandalism and incorrect information can slip through. We do have tens of millions of articles, with hundreds of thousands of edits per day, and a limited number of volunteer editors.

I will note the information you believe to be incorrect was completely unsourced, which is not permitted on Wikipedia - but also the information you added to replace it was also completely unsourced, so also not permitted. Your edits have been reverted to the last clean version of the article, and the article no longer has any unsourced content. Qcne (talk) 15:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Just to add, I have warned the user in question who added the unsourced content. Qcne (talk) 15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

For the sake of accuracy: {{NUMBEROFARTICLES}} → 6,882,359 so tens of millions of articles is somewhat of an exaggeration.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Well, there is the stuff in the lead which is lead-only. Also, the only ref is the org itself. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:35, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Noting that the Jemima Parry-Jones article also is pretty awful from the WP-POV. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:46, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Aquila 1949: Another user already removed that unreferenced information, so saying [h]ow [we] can let this sort of libal [sic] happen is rhetorically incorrect. If you are, as you claim, Parry-Jones, you are strongly discouraged from editing the article directly and instead encouraged to post edit requests on the article's talk page, not to mention disclose your conflict of interest with the article.. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:34, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an open wiki, every new edit is by default "allowed". However, what one person edits, another person can edit again. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Be aware that actual libelious content is removed when identified, see WP:LIBEL for more information. Not everything that is incorrect is libelous, though. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Segregate UPE/COI

What does Segregate UPE/COI abbreviation stands for? Can you link me to the policy regarding that? Juandev (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

UPE is Undeclared Paid Editing. COI is Conflict of Interest. What is intended by "segregate" may depend on the context. Where did you see this? ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@Juandev: Enter wp: in front of a Wikipedia term in the search box to look for the meaning: WP:UPE and WP:COI. See User:Onel5969/Clovermoss/NPP#Conflicts of interest and paid editors for a post by a user (possibly the only one) specifically using the expression "Segregate UPE/COI". PrimeHunter (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

wiki page link draft_theworklabs to theworklabs need to be changed

wiki page link draft_theworklabs to theworklabs need to be changed Bheemaiahnn (talk) 19:05, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Bheemaiahnn, Draft:Theworklabs is a draft, intended for incubation of articles not yet ready for public viewing. Wait until the draft is accepted, at which point the reviewer will move it to Theworklabs, a title in mainspace. If the reviewer declines they will leave feedback on how to improve the article to make it suitable for mainspace. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:27, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

About the same time I posted the above comment, you copy pasted the contents of Draft:Theworklabs into Theworklabs. By doing so, you indicate that you don't want to participate in Articles for Creation, which is fine but not recommended. I have marked it for speedy deletion under criterion G11, since I thought it was advertising the company. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:30, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

They've been blocked. I note that their talk page history seems to contain blatant copyright violations (of this source). 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:53, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes, indeffed as WP:NOTHERE. I was on to the copyvio too, but food became ready and I took a break – talk-page history now revdeleted. Thanks, all round, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:09, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

How to put an image on a page?

How do i imbed images? I want an image of a whiptail lizard on my user page. HumorousLizard2914 (talk) 22:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

@HumorousLizard2914: You can find the answer to your question at Help:Images. Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 22:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

August 25

Wiki page deleted, how to reinstate?

We realised that the Wiki page for our school has been deleted, and we were not alerted about the deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_the_Arts,_Singapore

Could we find out why it was deleted and, is there a way to reinstate the page? Sotaocc (talk) 00:43, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sotaocc: The reason given on that page is that the article was deleted due to copyright problems, so there will be no way to get it back in its previous form. You can recreate it, if you avoid the copyright problem. Check out WP:YFA on how to get started. Also, because you are using "we" and "our", remember that an account must only be used by one person and it cannot be shared. RudolfRed (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Sotaocc, if you intend to do any editing (such as recreating the article), please review Wikipedia's guideline on editing with a conflict of interest: WP:COI. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Can people remove things that they do not want on their bio?

I am one of your donors when asked because I use your site all the time. Usually there is a mention of any controversy, however small and all new news seems to appear almost instantly. That does not now seem to be the case with Rachel Zeglar and I see so many articles about what she has said over the last few years, because of the Snow White controversy. Have things been added and removed? This is not the first time she has done things, including trolling others.

Thanks,

David Thompson DCTB (talk) 01:30, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@dctb:

for your header question, what you describe is forbidden.

and what's the "snow white controversy"? ltbdl (talk) 01:53, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Google her name and Snow White. Just her name will probably be enough. Dozens of internet commentators have been making content about it. The other things come up too. DCTB (talk) 02:06, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi DCTB. All content added to Wikipedia articles is required to meet relevant policies and guidelines, or it may be removed at any time. The policy regarding articles about living person can be found at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons. This policy tends to be quite strict in many areas and demands a higher degree of reliable sourcing when it comes to content (particularly contentious content) about the article's subject. Any content questionably or otherwise unreliably sourced (as defined by Wikipedia or outright defamatory can be removed by anyone (including the subjects of articles) asap. When there are disagreements about such content, it is expected that it be discussed on the article's talk page or at an appropriate noticeboard (like here) so that it can be assessed by others and determine whether it's OK to include in the article. In principle, neither the subjects of articles nor anyone representing them (claiming to represent them) do not have any final editorial control over what's written about them on Wikipedia. In fact, they are pretty much highly discouraged from directly editing or creating any content about themselves on Wikipedia, except in certain specific situations. They are instead encouraged to seek assistance from other members of the Wikipedia community as explained here. Efforts are made to try and help them as much as possible, but only as far as is permitted under Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Finally, you need to be very careful about accusing others of inappropriate editing unless you are clearly able to provide proof of your accustaions. It's better to assume good faith at first until at least there's a very good Wikipedia policy based reason for no longer doing so. For reference, content is added to and removed from Wikipedia articles all of the time, but this doesn't mean either is being done by the subject's of articles or someone representing them. The best thing to do when content you might've added tp an article is removed is to first try and understand why it was removed. Often the user removing the content has left an edit summary explaining why, and such edit summaries often include links to relevant Wikipedia policies or guidelines that provide further explanation. If after even after reading such edit summaries or policy/guideline pages you still don't understand or agree with the removal, then you can start a discussion about it on the article's corresponding talk page and seek further clarification. What you absolutely don't want to do is continue to try and force the content into the article after it has been removed (except in certain specific cases) because that can lead to edit warring, which in turn can lead to accounts being blocked. You need to particularly careful with respect to content about living persons because they tends to be very little tolerance for anything resembling edit warring with respect to such content. Finally, while it's great that you've donated to Wikipedia, please understand that doing so doesn't give you any special or additional editing priviledges. Your edits are also going to be expected to comply with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines, and they may be reverted when they don't. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC); [Note: Post editted by Marchjuly to change "What you absolutely do want to do" to "What you absolutely don't want to do". -- 08:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)]

I think this post is missing the word "not"("What you absolutely want to do is continue to try and force the content into the article"). 331dot (talk) 08:04, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for catching that error. I've corrected that part of my post accordingly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Just going to add that Rachel Zegler was protected by a Wikipedia administrator named El C about a week ago due to some serious disruption caused by sockpuppetry. One the edits made that led to article's protection was so problematic that needed to be removed from public view. So, if by chance, you (i.e. DCTB) were involved in any of that, I suggest you quit while you're ahead because continuing to do such things will certainly lead to more reversions and your account eventually being blocked. If, however, you had nothing to with any of that and just feel the controversy is something that should be covered in the article, I suggest you be WP:CAUTIOUS and first carefully read through WP:BLP, and only then start a neutrally worded discussion explaining your position at Talk:Rachel Zegler. You can propose what content you think should be added and explain how it can be done in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. Be advised, though, that Wikipedia's policy on content related to living persons applies to all Wikipedia pages; so, you need to make sure whatever your post on the talk page doesn't violate said policy with respect to subject or any other living persons. You should also focus on the content you feel should be added and avoid making any accustations or claims about other Wikipedia users. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:22, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

DCTB, venomous hatred will never be allowed in a Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 18:20, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you to all the replies and level of detail.

I am a Wikipedia fan and for clarification had not had an account until I had this question, I certainly have not been involved in ever putting anything on the site, wouldn't have the nerve as I am not an expert on any of the subjects I look up!

This is the first time I have ever seen so much controversy about someone and nothing shows on their Wikipedia page about them, yet more keeps coming up. Usually it almost appears in real time as if by magic.

If controversy can be removed, it seems odd that so many people and companies do not remove theirs - especially if it is biased or has an agenda that does not read neutrally.

Although I think one of the replies above indicates that someone with the power to do it, has decided to protect her for some reason DCTB (talk) 03:17, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

The article about Zeglar was protected by an administrator because of disruptive editing by some of the accounts editing it; it wasn't protected to stop any mention of the controversy related to her from being added. Wikipedia articles aren't intended to be hagiographies, and negative content about an article's subject can be added as long as it's done so in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. If you feel this controversy needs to be mentioned in the Zegler article and can be done in accordance with these policies and guidelines, then you can propose such a thing on the article's talk page. It could be possible that the controversy regarding Snow White (2024 film) and Zegler's casting in it is in some ways more appropriate to add to that article about the film itself than to the one about her. There is, in fact, already separate section about the controversy in the article about the film so nothing is really being glossed over. Finally, just because something seems to appear by magic doesn't mean it should be there in the first place. I can't see the content that someone was trying to add to the Zegler article, but it was so inappropriate that an administrator felt it needed to be removed from public view. Cullen328, who commented above, is an administrator and he can see the content. Based on what he posted above, it was something that was truly bad that needed to magically disappear as fast as it appeared. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, that is well written and helpful. It makes sense too, with the comments being added to the product or project it is attached to.

It is a shame someone has not added content without breaking guidelines. Even today I saw a page of very unpleasant trolls she has aimed at other public figures.

I wondered if that was the same with other controversies and checked 'Bud Light'. Sure enough the controversy is attached to the product, but although referenced, is worded in a much more positive way on Dylan Mulvaney's page.

Not showing content, seems to be the same as hiding it. With regard to Rachel Zeglar, at least having the headings, with little content, that is acceptable or has had the abusive parts removed, would at least look honest and neutral.

From what I have read above, it appears that Administrators play God like Twitter Administrators used to.

Shame. I will keep donating, but am sad to see that accusations from the right have merit. If I ran the site, it would be uncensored for all points of view. DCTB (talk) 00:44, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

DCTB, if you prefer websites where people are perfectly free to spout hatred, tell bald-faced lies and foment violence against their cultural enemies, then perhaps Wikipedia is not the website for you. There are plenty of websites where vicious trolling is allowed. Wikipedia is not one of them. Wikipedia has been a top ten website worldwide for many years precisely because we have strict standards and, in particular, do not allow vile and false personal attacks on living people. If you ran this website, it would rapidly deteriorate into a cesspool and completely lose its crdibility. The deleted edit of 10:24, August 15, 2023 was beyond the pale and it is entirely correct that it was removed from public view, because the content was outlandish, ugly and false on the face of it. As for your donations, if you disagree with our core policies, then please feel free to stop donating. The Wikimedia Foundation is rolling in cash. They have net assets of about US$240 million and an endowment of over $100 million. As for people with power trying to protect her, I can assure you that I had never heard of Rachel Zeglar before this conversation. Administrators like me enforce our WP:BLP policies to "protect" every single living person who is discussed on Wikipedia, and we will keep doing that. Cullen328 (talk) 01:27, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

What a disgraceful response from someone claiming to represent Wikipedia. This is the first time I have felt like asking a question and even joined to do so. Much has been very helpful above. Nothing I have written has warranted that response, or even the one intimating I might have tried to add abuse to a Wikipedia page and to "quit while I was ahead".

I only wanted to know why there are 'controversies' on every page that the person it was about would not like on there, but nothing for this one person, it seemed odd considering how many television programs and podcasters were talking about it.

I have never edited anything on here or intend to in the future. I just like the information and some was missing for the first time.

Having said all that, it is I think unlikely that Cullen328 is a genuine Wikipedia Administrator and just a troll with an account like mine. No-one representing a top ten website would speak to members of the public that way for no genuine reason and nothing I have written is a reason for that diatribe. With any luck an actual administrator will see this and report the account DCTB (talk) 02:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328 is most definitely an admin. It's past time for you, DCTB, to drop this. Meters (talk) 03:00, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

DCTB, please read Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cullen328. I was selected as an administrator six years ago with 99% support. My long record of service to this encyclopedia goes back to 2009, and speaks for itself. I stand by what I wrote above that you object to with an argument based only on indignation. You are entirely free to blog elsewhere. Cullen328 (talk) 07:07, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

DCTB indef'ed by user:Star Mississippi Meters (talk) 21:43, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Can I find a person who can edit a section for me, to include my theories about Artificial Intelligence?

Is there a service who knows how to write an entry and do so respecting the policies and rules of the wite? Chuck (talk) 02:59, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Unless your theories have been subject to significant independent commentary in relevant published reliable sources, they will have no place on Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:08, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi Generalp2. To help clarify what AndyTheGrump posted above, you should take a look Wikipedia:No original research. In addition, although you might find someone willing to try and create an article for you for payment, be advised that such persons aren't affiliated with Wikipedia in any way. Wikipedia is pretty much a WP:VOLUNTEER service and everyone edits Wikipedia is subject to the same policies and guidelines. Moreover, even if such an article were to be created, you would have pretty much zero editorial control over it as explained in Wikipedia:Ownership of content. For reference, paid-editing isn't expressly prohibitted by the Wikimedia Foundation per se, but there are lots of restrictions placed upon it in addition to those that volunteer editors have to deal with. Some who offer their services for a fee do make every attempt to do things in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and are upfront about the limitations placed upon them, but they're so many others whose main concern is parting you from your money. So, beware of those whose promises seem to be too good to be true because they either are knowingly deceiving you or have very little or no idea as to how Wikipedia works. In either case, any problems you might find yourself having with such people will be between you and them. The Wikimedia Foundations won't step in to try and resolve things. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Input energy

what is the input energy for stove, torch, radio 41.116.85.43 (talk) 05:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

please ask knowledge questions at the reference desks. ltbdl (talk) 05:02, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Template tries to use a nonexistent file

I'm having a problem where the 'Routelist row' template automatically tries to use the file 'Florida_Toll_686A.svg' (which doesn't exist). Is there any way to force it to use the file 'Florida_Toll_686A.png' instead? Andumé (talk) 05:31, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@I Am Andumé: Please link pages you want help with. I don't know whether {{Routelist row}} can display a png file but it has a noshield option. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:36, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I guess I'll have to either use the noshield option or find and upload a .svg image. Andumé (talk) 16:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

CBD Gummies

Is CDB Gummies is legal in USA Brijeshrb (talk) 07:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, can't help. It says on top: "This page is only for questions about using Wikipedia, not for general knowledge questions." -- Hoary (talk) 07:56, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Suggest that you use your preferred search engine to learn more about the legal status of cannabis or CBD in the US. 331dot (talk) 08:00, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

The fact of the matter is that cannabis regulation in the US is effectively on a state by state basis, so what is completely legal in California, Oregon and Oregon Colorado may be a felony offense in Mississippi, South Carolina and Louisiana. Search for the applicable laws in your specific state. Cullen328 (talk) 08:51, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

There are two Oregons?! casualdejekyll 01:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Only in my tired brain and my typing fingers, Casualdejekyll. I meant to mention Colorado. Cullen328 (talk) 02:03, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Promotional-appearing edits to Travelodge (British company)

Please can an editor with rollback permissions (I think that’s what would be needed? Not entirely sure though [edit: it appears I may have been mistaken]) restore this revision on the article for Travelodge (British company)? Edits introduced since appear to be promotional and reference primary sources. (I have warned the editor in question on their talk, but am unable to restore the old revision myself.)

Thanks in advance, and apologies if this is the wrong place for this request! A smart kitten (talk) 11:29, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the promotional gumph about charity work, it was badly formatted as well. I've not touched the factual changes preceding that, someone with access to an independant up-to-date source needs to check it. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 11:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Confusing copyright issue re: ALS article

Solved it myself

I'm doing a GA review of the ALS page and I'm not sure what I'm looking at and have no idea what to do about it. This [3] appears to be backwards copyvio as it's a near perfect match for the oldest ALS revisions (2006 wiki v 2017 NIH 97.1% [4]). If that was the end of it I'd slap a {{subst:backwards copy}} on there and get back to my review, except that archived version is cited repeatedly by the current version in a manner inconsistent with copyvio.[5] Just to make matters more confusing, the article was tagged,[6] and then untagged, as copyvio from somewhere else entirely in 2006, and I can't figure out why it was untagged. The oldest version of that[7] matches the current version substantially[8] and matched the tagged version.[9] Can someone with an eye for copyright tell me what I'm supposed to do here? Rewriting it is well beyond my abilities, and I'm not comfortable tagging it as copyvio when it appears to have already been cleared and/or backwards copyvio. ~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?) 11:44, 25 August 2023 (UTC) Digging through the archive of the talk page I found why the original copyvio tag was removed [10] and another comment that may help [11] (if those don't take you directly to the comment, try refreshing the page). I'm still not sure what to make of this though. ~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?) 04:51, 26 August 2023 (UTC) More digging resulted in me figuring it out. The original page, back in 2006, was pretty much a direct copy of a public domain source. A source that appears to also be the source for everything else linked/mentioned above. I've added the appropriate public domain citation template and gone back to reviewing. I'm not sure policy on deleting questions here so I'm collapsing it instead. ~ Argenti Aertheri(Chat?) 11:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Question with talk page

i think this my first time using the help desk but how do i switch from source editing to visual editing on my talk page? it won't let me change it :( Lolkikmoddi (message me!) 13:27, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lolkikmoddi: VisualEditor is poorly suited to discussions and interface links to it are omitted in talk namespaces. You can use it by clicking the normal source edit tab and then manually change action=edit to veaction=edit in the url. You can also install User:Novem Linguae/Scripts/VisualEditorEverywhere. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

New entry declined, is it because of insufficient footnotes?

hi there! I just submitted my first-ever new Wikipedia entry and it got declined. It's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chris_Molanphy I carefully read the reasons for the decline and I guess I'm still puzzled. The subject of my article has been cited by many reliable secondary sources. Can you offer advice please? Thank you! MarcdePezenas (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)MarcdePezenas (talk) 13:35, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Your article does absolutely nothing to indicate that Molanphy meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) guidelines. That requires an article based around significant coverage in secondary published reliable sources. Find the sources. Use them for article content. Cite them. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:46, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@MarcdePezenas, the basic problem is that you've cited sources by Chris Molanphy. You need to summarize and cite sources about Chris Molanphy - ones written by folks with no connection to him. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 13:49, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

oh, thank you for the speedy response, Andy! If I may ask for a clarification, can these sources be interviews with Molanphy by people unaffiliated with him? For example, if he's been interviewed by a tv or radio show about his career, by someone with no connection to him, would this qualify? Like this for example: https://writeaboutnowmedia.com/podcast/2020/5/24/chris-molanphy-on-what-makes-a-song-a-smash-hit Thanks in advance! MarcdePezenas (talk) 14:11, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

No, interviews are NOT reliable independent sources so do not contribute to notability. Theroadislong (talk) 14:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@MarcdePezenas, I'd recommend a careful reading of WP:42. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:15, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

One way to look at it, MarcdePezenas, is that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. ColinFine (talk) 15:48, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Can another editor publish a draft article of an IP without asking?

Hi. My query is: can an editor publish a draft article created by another IP into an article, without asking for that IP's approval?

(Since IPs cant publish an article in the first place, they can only draft it) So if another editor decides to publish that draft as an article (without even asking for IP's approval), can that editor publish that page? Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 15:24, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Technically, yes, but it would be just as rude as publishing an account holder's draft without asking. Why not ask, @Shadowwarrior8? 199.208.172.35 (talk) 15:39, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Technically, the draft space is as collaborative as the mainspace, so the same rules apply, you can move, edit or rename a draft article, but the same rules around consensus apply. The only difference is that we do allow draft creators to move/nominate to AfC without issue (although, we still kind of have a consensus based approach when things are moved back to draft, or denied at AfC). There's really no reason to not at least communicate with a draft creator. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:45, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski An editor communicated, but what if:

i) the draft creator IP took too long of a time to respond? (suppose the IP didnt respond within a day)

ii) he just ignored the message?

(sometimes certain prominent events, incidents, etc. maybe happening on the ground) Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 16:16, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Of course it's more difficult to communicate with IPs, since we may be on a different address tomorrow than we are today, but @Shadowwarrior8 I would recommend leaving a note on both their latest talk page and on the talk page of the draft itself, then giving it at least a day. If it's Very Important Breaking News (despite Wikipedia having WP:NODEADLINES), consider simply making your own draft, using whatever sources you find, and publishing that. It's still considered impolite by some, but them's the breaks. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

A day is much too short a time. Not everyone has the time or access opportunities to use the internet every day, and if they have they may want to do other things than work on Wikipedia: consider that we wait for 6 months of no activity on a Draft before (maybe) deleting it as abandoned. Generally I would consider a week to be a minimum reasonable period to wait for a response. Remember, WP:There is no deadline. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 20:18, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

It's August. People take holidays in August. I'd say, wait at least two weeks. Wikipedia has no deadline. Maproom (talk) 08:32, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I become a contributor and or editor of articles?

I wish to do so, how may I proceed? The specific page is Biogeography, I wish to contribute an article, a map, dedicated to the that subject and the Ocean. If your current people wish to do so themselves, National Geographic March 1969 pgs 396-397 have the map in question, which will be a good starting point and or continuation for the subject. GabrielDDavis (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GabrielDDavis, and welcome to Wikipedia. You become an editor and contributor by editing and contributing.

My advice is to start by finding some articles in an area of interest to you, (for example, soome of the articles in category:Biogeography) and making small improvements to them; always remembering that every single piece of information you add to an article should be verifiable from a reliable published source|. Please see Help:Introduction to get started.

It is likely that some of your edits will get reverted, either because you are not yet familiar with some Wikipedia policy, or because somebody disagrees that the edit is appropriate: when this happens, don't panic! This is the normal way that collaboration works here, and you are welcome to open a discussion with the editor who reverted you, either to ask for clarification or to argue your case for the change (see WP:BRD).

When you have spent some time getting familiar with how Wikipedia works, then is the time to consider creating a new article: read your first article.

Note that the subject of the article must meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, which says that enough has been reliably published about that subject to ground an article. If you are proposing an article about a particular map, then you need to find indpendent sources that discuss that map; but I suspect that that is not what you meant. It may be more appropriate to add information to existing articles such as Biogeography. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GabrielDDavis. A map published by National Geographic in 1969 is almost certainly restricted by copyright. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? Cullen328 (talk) 00:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I was not aware of that, maybe the author or his estate can be directly asked for the map? GabrielDDavis (talk) 20:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

(The Magic Lure of Sea Shells

Zahl, P. A. & Boswell, V. R.) GabrielDDavis (talk) 23:11, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

August 26

Endnote references

I was making cleanup edits on the entry for Jedediah Smith, and the references for the notes changed to lower case letters. In the text, the refs are still numbers. How do I change them back to numbers? Furfortman (talk) 00:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Furfortman. That article uses an unusual but legitimate referencing style, combining references indicated by numbers with notes indicated by letters. Personally, I do not like this style because I consider it confusing and overly complicated. But this style is permitted by policy and so we have to live with it. Template:Notelist provides more information. Cullen328 (talk) 01:10, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Furfortman Cullen328 Not quite sure what the problem is... I have not checked that article in detail, but on ones that I have edited (example Shirburn Castle) the auto-assignment of numbers for references, and letters for notes, makes the differentiation clear to me. Unless I am missing something here, which I probably am :) Tony 1212 (talk) 02:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Actually that article is not the best example, because one of the footnotes includes a long set of hard coded, numbered points... for a simpler example (also by me), try Andrew Geils instead :) Tony 1212 (talk) 02:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, but this is my mistake. I mistook notes for references. Furfortman (talk) 02:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Like I said and this discussion confirms, Furfortman, this is a style of referencing that often confuses experienced editors. Even after 14 years for me, I am hesitant to try to edit articles with this particular style of references. Maybe someone will come along to explain how easy it is. Cullen328 (talk) 07:06, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

It's actually the easiest referencing system to use both for the writer and more importantly for the reader. The key thing is to differentiate in your mind between a reference which refers to a note elsewhere and a citation which gives bibliographic information about a work. Citing in line leads to a random mishmash of duplicated entries all out of order and impossible to use. Using a simple alphabetic list of citations allows the reader (and conscientious editor) to find a particular citation quickly. Because many references will specify a page or pages within the citation, it is simplest, and standard, to attach the page number to the reference. Considering Jedediah Smith (BTW, please link pages when discussing them). Why is hiding Ashley, Smith, Rogers & Harrison (1918) in the middle of a wall of text instead of under "A" in a simple list? Why is there a second citation for the same work that only differs in the URL? It's much clearer to (for instance) see Barbour 2011, p. 143. which links to the only citation for Barbour (2011). Turning now to the letters that the OP asked about. It's much clearer to a reader that [a] will be in a different list to [1]. Trying to force footnotes to use numbers simply confuses readers. Consider the reference list "[4][2][8]" – which is a foot note and which a reference to a citation? In passing, the article under discussion here uses a mixture of both styles and the citation list "Works cited" needs sorting into alphabetical order. What is really needed is for there to be consensus that one style is used (see MOS:CITEVAR). Back in 2017 the article was already a mess so there's no clear "first style". @Cullen328: would it help if I wrote up a guide for you on your talk page? Martin of Sheffield (talk) 07:42, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Martin of Sheffield, no, but thank you very much. You say that it is the "easiest" and after reading all that you wrote, it is still confusing and intimidating to many editors, myself included. To be perfectly frank, I do not want to learn about this confusing style. Most articles use a very straightforward and easy to learn style of referencing, and that is what I will always prefer. Simply, a bunch of inline references presented in reflist formatting, verifying the various assertions in the article. I do not like confusing "notes" instructing the reader what to think in a hortatory style. I prefer to think for myself. Cullen328 (talk) 07:56, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry you find it confusing and intimidating, I'll try to do better. Let's start with the simple case: I'm using a book relevant to an article. I add the book's citation to the list of sources in alphabetical order typically using {{citation}} or {{cite book}}. That's the invariant part. Then as I edit the article I simply add a reference to the citation, commonly adding the page number/s. WP collects identical page ranges together for me, not need to go hunting for a cryptic named reference. For example:

1. Enter the book in the sources list as * {{cite book|last=Barbour|first=Barton H.|title=Jedediah Smith: No Ordinary Mountain Man |url =https://books.google.com/books?id=O89PceOzUAoC |publisher=University of Oklahoma Press|location=Norman |year=2011|isbn=978-0-8061-4196-1}} which yields Barbour, Barton H. (2011). Jedediah Smith: No Ordinary Mountain Man. Norman: University of Oklahoma Press. ISBN 978-0-8061-4196-1. as you would expect. I'll never have to repeat this information in the text anywhere.
2. As I work I discover a relevant fact in Barbour and record it at the end of the sentence as normal, but now instead of hunting for a named reference or repeating the citation I simply put {{sfn|Barbour|2011|p=113}}. Just the minimal information.
3. Later on I use another fact from Barbour, and again I can use {{sfn|Barbour|2011|p=115}}.

If the article needs footnotes, and those on Jedediah Smith do seem rather extensive, then there is a similar mechanism to record the notes: {{efn|Barbour agrees with this point.}}, and this is where the OP's letters come from. If necessary {{sfn}} can be added within {{efn}}, but that is getting more complicated. If you want to see a clean example with no mixing of style, have a look at Frindsbury.

I hope this clarifies things a little for you, if not please do get back back to me on any points you don't follow and I'll try to clarify things for you. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 08:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328 Martin of Sheffield In my articles/edits I have tended to use just <ref>xxx</ref> for references and {{efn|yyy.}} for notes. The latter are not references (sources), although they may contain them as needed, just "asides"/additional amplification considered useful to the reader that would otherwise interrupt the main text flow; in the examples I have created in the past, I try not to use too many but certainly feel they have a place. As mentioned above, Jedediah Smith does seem a bit florid / over noted in that respect (just some previous editor's personal style I am guessing). I have not gone down the {{sfn|zzz.}} road as further discussed by Martin although I can see where that would be useful as well. Just my 2 cents of course, probably should shut up now... Regards Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 18:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I definitely prefer the use of explanatory footnotes to extended parentheticals. Cullen, thanks for your input that this style seems confusing. I am sure that different people find different citation / notation styles more or less confusing. I've written articles in a number of different styles and I highly doubt there's appetite in the community to standardise this, since people's preferences and what they find clear / confusing and what they find elegant / ugly vary so dramatically across editors. Folly Mox (talk) 18:40, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Coordinates and blank hover preview

I vaguely recall seeing a discussion on how to fix the blank hover preview for an article with Template:Coord (ex. Toronto International Film Festival), but I can't find it. Would appreciate it if someone could let me know how to fix it or let me know if there's directions somewhere. Cheers,  綾かなあ?  (talk) 02:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ayakanaa: Apparently the hover-preview problem occurs only when the {{coord}} template is inserted at the top of the article (in the edit window). The way to fix it is to move that template to the end of the article (above the categories) or into the infobox. Deor (talk) 12:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

P.S.: I've done this to Toronto International Film Festival with this edit. Does the preview work correctly for you now? Deor (talk) 12:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Yeah it does. Thanks  綾かなあ?  (talk) 16:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Fix top to bottom of Romanian People's Republic and Socialist Republic of Romania

I need help to fix from top to bottom of the coat of arms of the Romanian People's Republic and Socialist Republic of Romania https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Republic_of_Romania. I want it to be just like the Hungarian People's Republic. 108.21.67.83 (talk) 03:06, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I'm sorry, IP user, but I'm not clear what you're asking. I don't know if you are using "from top to bottom" literally, meaning that you think something should be moved from the top of somewhere to the bottom of it, or whether you are using it figuratively to mean "thoroughly, the whole thing".

In any case you need to be much more specific about what you think needs fixing.

In any case, the talk page Talk:Socialist Republic of Romania, or one of the WikiProjects WP:WikiProject Former countries or WP:WikiProject Socialism might be better places to ask than here. ColinFine (talk) 11:33, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine I interpreted it to mean that for the coat of arms, Socialist Republic of Romania has a caption that says "Top: [...] Bottom: [...]" while for the Hungarian People's Republic, the captions are under their respective coat of arms, and IP user wants Socialist Republic of Romania to have that format as well. (I have no idea how to fix it though.)  綾かなあ?  (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Oh, I see. It's just the way the editors have used the various fields in {{infobox former country}}. It should be easy enough to fix for anybody who can be bothered to wade through the template call and make them use the same fields in the same way. ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello

Moved from WP:AN

 – ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:57, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Why most users are registering in wikipedia just the purpose of spam and advertising while Wikipedia is not an advertising place? 41.225.87.249 (talk) 07:23, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Because of its popularity and anti-spam policies. See my essay WP:SPAMFALLACY about this irony. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 07:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Also because so much of the web is now commercial (including many sites that didn't start that way, such as Facebook, that it doesn't occur to many people that there may be a part of it that refuses to be commercial. ColinFine (talk) 11:38, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I delete my account?

How do I delete my account? AntSurgeon (talk) 10:33, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

For legal reasons, it is not possible to delete an account, as all edits must be attributable to someone. You are free to stop using and abandon your account(especially where it has no edits). 331dot (talk) 10:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

WikiLove extension

Hi, how can I enable the WikiLove extension? Regards --WikiUser1234945-- (talk) 11:36, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Hi --WikiUser1234945--, don't you see a heart icon at the top of the page when visiting another user's talk page?

If you don't, you may have disabled it and can re-enable it the same way. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 12:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@ToBeFree I see a heart, it works! Have a nice weekend. --WikiUser1234945-- (talk) 13:18, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Yay! You too. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 13:24, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Banner shell with only 1 Wikiproject banner?

Should I use the banner shell if there's only 1 Wikiproject banner? Aaron Liu (talk) 14:18, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I think that you can now use the banner shell to add a project-independent quality assessment, even with only 1 Wikiproject banner. If you are not adding a project-independent quality assessment, the shell is probably not needed. TSventon (talk) 14:37, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Vandalism only account criteria

If an account performed vandalism only minutes after account creation, would that account be a vandalism-only account, even if the user only has one edit? Procrastinator acc (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Many admins will decline to block an account that made a single vandalism and never edited again, unless their one edit was especially egregious. Folly Mox (talk) 18:49, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

DAX Shepard

I WAnt to know about that personKo 41.116.177.168 (talk) 17:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

We have an article Dax Shepard, which you can read. If there is information about him that you can't find in the article, it is possible you'll find it in one of the sources referenced in the article. Otherwise, you could ask at the Entertainment section of the Wikipedia Reference Desk - it is possible that somebody there dcould find the information you are looking for. But if it's his address, that may not be publicly available. ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Will Smith

Where does he live right now 41.116.177.168 (talk) 18:00, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't Ander stand anything 41.116.177.168 (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

help me crate a Wikipedia account 41.116.177.168 (talk) 18:03, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There is more information about creating an account here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:07, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Will Smith is a very common name. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:28, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

changes reverted

Hello -- On August 15, 2023, I added to the subject "Year 6000." The post was removed soon after. As far as I can see, the post was relevant and correct. I inquired of the editor who removed it -- 51.198.10.170 -- on August 17, 2023. I submitted my explanation, and inquiry, to his talk page, asking whether it would be ok for me to again add the contribution made on August 15. I have not seen any response or comment. Today I visited his talk page, and see that my inquiry was removed -- without any notice or comment or reply. What would be the proper way to proceed on this inquiry?DavRice (talk) 18:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

The paragraph you added to Year 6000 was completely unreferenced. That is not acceptable. You must cite your sources. Please read WP:42. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:27, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, Shantavira. Here is a revise of my proposed post, with a reference added for the Edwin Thiele date for the foundation of Solomon's Temple, and another respecting Ussher's Chronology, from the Wikipedia page "Ussher Chronology." Is this suitable to resubmit? -- David Rice

Year 6000 -- Edwin Thiele established that the founding of Solomon's Temple (1 Kings 6:1) was in the year 966 BC.{1} Among those who credit the testimony of Kings and Chronicles, his conclusion is widely accepted today. As Edwin Thiele demonstrates, this accords with the testimony of two independent witnesses -- the Assyrian King List, and the Assyrian Eponym List. If to the date 966 BC we count backward the years of the Hebrew Old Testament, from Adam to 1 Kings 6:1, we have 2992 years -- as long held by the chronology of James Ussher, of the early 1600s.{2} This yields a date for Adam's creation of 3958 BC (966 BC plus 2992 years backward). Counting 6000 years forward from 3958 BC yields the date 2043 AD for the close of 6000 years. (6000 - 3958 + 1 = 2043 AD -- the plus one to account for the absence of a year "zero" between the BC era and the AD era.)

(1) "The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings," Revised edition, October 1965, page 54, gives year 40 of Rehoboam running from Tishri 931 BC, to Tishri 930 BC. Year four of his reign would thus run from Tishri 967 BC to Tishri 966 BC. In the spring of that year, the foundation of the temple was laid (1 Kings 6:1), thus in the year 966 BC.

(2) See "Ussher Chronology," Wikipedia, subhead "Ussher's Methods," for his dates 4004 BC for Adam, and 1012 BC for Solomon's Temple, thus 2992 years between.DavRice (talk) 01:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Popping in to say that Wikipedia can't be used as a source per WP:CIRCULAR. Cheers, ayakanaa ( t · c ) 03:17, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

this is not a place for you to promote your religious beliefs. ltbdl (talk) 03:58, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Lowercase naming preferences

Hi, looking for clarification on the guidelines for name capitalization in biographies of living people. Quite a few artists and writers prefer, or demand, that their names not be capitalized - bell hooks is the most famous example, with the title of her article being in lower case, along with references to her pen name within the article. But I can't seem to find any guidelines on how to establish the necessity of using lowercase, or details in the Manual of Style about when it is appropriate or how long a public figure must have been using lowercase for it to be use in articles about them. I ask because the contemporary artist Vanessa German also asks others to use lower case when writing her name, but I couldn't find guidelines on whether it's appropriate to modify the article title and references to her name. Thanks! 19h00s (talk) 20:44, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

With consistent RS:

MOS:LCITEMS use lower-case variants of personal names if they have regular and established use in reliable third-party sources

Or even self-pub is enough:

WP:SPNC For minor spelling variations (capitalization...): when a consistent and unambiguous self-published version exists, it is usually followed

Hyphenation Expert (talk) 21:06, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Bob Barker wife

The age of Bob Barker's wife death doesn't add up on Wiki, Under Bob Barker, I think she was 37, no 57 50.115.244.110 (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

I don't see anything about her age in the article Bob Barker. But the article is being heavily edited at present, so it may be that what you're talking about has already been changed. ColinFine (talk) 21:18, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Cite error: A <ref> tag is missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)

I added two citations to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainable_Forestry_Initiative and then received the cite error above. I deleted the two new citiations and I still receive the cite error. I scrolled through all the text looking for a missing </ref> and can't find one. How do I find the error? Thanks Ecwwoodworth (talk) 21:53, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

 Done I've moved the opening line: <ref><ref><ref><ref><ref>https://forests.org/wp-content/uploads/2022_SFI_Standards.pdf</ref></ref></ref></ref></ref> to an external link. That cleared the error you mention. I also corrected the formatting of Berg & Scott (1999). Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 22:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

Burmese or Myanma?

Heya folks, I'm editing Thinzar Shunlei Yi and am unsure whether to use Myanma ot Burmese as a demonym. The Names of Myanmar and Myanmar pages, due to neutrality, don't advocate for any one side.

Is there any consensus or rule of thumb for me to go by? Thanks! Bremps... 22:43, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

@Bremps: "Burmese" is the typical demonym in use on Wikipedia right now, it seems. The name agreed on for the country in Wiki-voice is Myanmar, as decided here. casualdejekyll 01:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

August 27

Update card details

How do I update card details 90.241.230.172 (talk) 01:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

As this does not appear to be a Wikipedia issue, we cannot help you here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:53, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

If this is about donations to the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia then see donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

About my changes feedback

how I found my feedback and add topic as save tree save earth Harish ji prajapat (talk) 04:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Harish ji prajapat, the only edits you have made to English Wikipedia have been to write some kind of essay (in Hindi) on your user page and to ask the question immediately above. A user page is not for essays, and your essay will soon be deleted. Is your purpose here the improvement and augmentation (in English) of the encyclopedia? If so, welcome. Go ahead and improve and/or augment (basing your edits on reliable sources). But if not, you are at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 06:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Seneca Vocational High School Buffalo, NY article Typo

The Wikipedia article about Seneca Vocational High School, in Buffalo is very well written. I attended Seneca Vocational and graduated from Seneca Vocational High School in 1958.

The Seneca article has one typographical error that I want to correct but I find your editing instructions for a simple year typo are too complex for me. So I resort to the Help Desk.

Very early in the Wikipedia Seneca high school article it says Seneca HS was built in 1925 (which is correct) but then it says the school was enlarged with an addition in 1925, which is NOT correct. The Seneca school addition construction was started in the spring of 1954 and completed in December of 1955. I remember the construction of the Seneca addition very well. I can send you a photocopy of the page in the 1955 Seneca Chieftain yearbook which mentions the addition and the construction years. I hope someone at Wikipedia can correct the addition construction date. Ronald Aubry

Since the second "1925" was clearly a typo, I've emended it to 1955. Deor (talk) 15:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Donation

I made a donation to Wikipedia this morning by clicking on the banner indicating that Wiki needs financial help. I donated 25€ from a Credit Card account. The sum has been debited from my account but Wikimedia reports that the transaction had a problem

Having been debited, I hope you get the money. Best regards, Andre Davis user  : Andre.bapjg Andre.bapjg (talk) 07:30, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Please communicate issues with the donation process to the Wikimedia Foundation that collects them; we editors have nothing to do with the process. Email donate@wikimedia.org to contact them regarding your donation. 331dot (talk) 08:15, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Poem

poem by Jack Devis evergreen 103.14.88.152 (talk) 09:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

poem by Jack Devis evergreen 103.14.88.152 (talk) 09:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, person in PNG. If you have a question about using Wikipedia, feel free to ask it. -- Hoary (talk) 10:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

This presumably refers to the Australian poet and playwright Jack Davis (please note spelling), who wrote a poem 'Evergreen'. Unfortunately our article about him does not (yet) mention it, but web-searching "Jack Davis poem Evergreen" returns plenty of hits.

OP, this Helpdesk is for questions about editing and using Wikipedia. Please ask factual questions at the Reference Desk – the appropriate sub-desk for this query would have been Reference Desk/Humanities. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.198.140.169 (talk) 22:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Hostility

There is an editor who is using edit summaries to be uncivil toward other editors. Despite being warned, the behaviour continues and the editor is reverting the warnings. I need assistance with this. Jellysandwich0 (talk) 11:42, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Jellysandwich0, I have had a look, please ask if you have more questions.

Edit summaries such as "shush" are uncivil, which is covered by the Wikipedia:Civility policy. They are not Wikipedia:personal attacks, which can lead to a block. The civility policy has advice on Dealing with incivility, but "shush" is very mild so it is probably best to focus on the content dispute.

Editors are allowed to remove most comments from their talk page and it is assumed that they have read them, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#User talk pages. You should not add back the same content once it has been reverted by a user from their own talk page.

Thendral Vandhu Ennai Thodum is an example of a contact dispute where you have removed content several times with the summary "Do not question the readers". When your edit is reverted it is better to follow Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss and start a discussion rather than continuing a slow Wikipedia:Edit war. Also it is helpful to quote policies such as MOS:SOCRATIC which says that the article should avoid questions to the reader. TSventon (talk) 13:06, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the ways to handle it better, they are appreciated. But look at the user's User Contributions, did you see that "shut up" is in the Edit Summaries on June 12 at 23:19, June 20 at 23:31, and June 23 at 19:56, "shush you neek", on June 23 at 19:57, and "p*** off", on June 27 at 20:24? The Edit Summaries are being misused. Problem-solving seems appropriate in this case. Is that possible? Also, is it possible to have Edit Summaries like these removed? Jellysandwich0 (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

I still don't see a major problem with the edit summaries on their own. "shush you neek" is a personal attack, but on a bot not an human editor, "p*** off" was also addressed to a bot. According to Help:Edit summary#Fixing, In the extreme case of an edit summary containing certain kinds of harmful content, the summary can be deleted on request. I am not an admin, but I don't think anything mentioned so far meets the Wikipedia:Revision deletion#Criteria for redaction. TSventon (talk) 15:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Roberto Vannacci

Good morning. I created the "Roberto Vannacci" page, but I need help. JackkBrown (talk) 11:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@jackkbrown: with what? ltbdl (talk) 13:11, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl: I need help for the whole article. JackkBrown (talk) 13:22, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

?? ltbdl (talk) 13:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

JackkBrown, Have you read Help:Your first article? TSventon (talk) 13:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

It currently cites no sources. It has 19 things that look like references, but don't actually link to sources. I have moved it to Draft:Roberto Vannacci, where it won't be at risk of deletion as unsourced, and where you can continue working on it. You need to read Help:Referencing for beginners. &nbs.[p; Maproom (talk) 16:14, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Need help to swap main article page with its redirect page

Help, please with two page moves. I have previously tried to do something similar elsewhere and made a complete mess of it and don’t want to repeat that experience.

Currently, there exists a biography article titled Christopher R. W. Nevinson, with a redirect page to it titled C. R. W. Nevinson. I have proposed on the article talk page that the main article should be titled C. R. W. Nevinson, with no objections or comments, and would like to go ahead with that change. Please could someone competent do a swap, so the main article is titled C. R. W. Nevinson and the redirect page to it is titled Christopher R. W. Nevinson. Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Masato.harada, you want Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. They may want to treat this as a Wikipedia:Requested move as the original discussion was not notified correctly. TSventon (talk) 16:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

How do I create a new page for Joe Burrus, I feel it's mad he doesn't have one.

How do I create a new page for Joe Burrus, I feel it's mad he doesn't have one. Basically the same as the title. HollHopDrive123 (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Writing a new article is difficult. This person must be notable in some way and receive significant coverage in independent reliable sources that you can summarize. We usually recommend that a new user first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles to learn how Wikipedia operates, as well as use the new user tutorial. However, if you wish to dive in, please go to Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 16:34, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Yes I understand this, but given the recent youtube video including him The Darkest Moments in TV History 2 - YouTube I feel like he's as least worth a mention. It is and will become more so - notatble. (i think) HollHopDrive123 (talk) 16:45, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

It is a significant historical event and there's lots to it. Really what do you have to do to qualify for a wiki article? (rhetorical question) HollHopDrive123 (talk) 16:49, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Joe Burrus is only known because of the way he died, which is why I've created a redirect so that people looking for him will be led to the TV show, Death by Magic, which discusses his death and career. --~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs)

I have retargeted the redirect to List of entertainers who died during a performance#Joe Burrus which says a little more about him and seems more suitable than a TV episode made decades after his death. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Coverage of the event includes

• https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-11-01-ca-5220-story.html
• https://www.unilad.com/features/magician-amazing-joe-buried-alive-died-290810-20221207

But I completely agree, WP:BLP1E applies.Naraht (talk) 21:25, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

What links here: hide links from templates

Is there a way to have "what links here" only show "direct" links in the page and not those links included by templates used on the page? RedWolf (talk) 18:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

If you pick "What links here" and then tick the box "Hide transclusion". That will remove links through templates except where the template was substituted rather than transcluded (the great majority are transluded). ColinFine (talk) 20:16, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

No, "Hide transclusions" only hides pages which transclude the page, not pages which transclude a template with a link to the page. @RedWolf: See User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js for a script doing what you want. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:28, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)"Hide transclusions" only hides transclusions of the page you're looking at links to. Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:User link with Hide Transclusions checked won't show the transclusions of {{user links}} (or its redirect {{u}}) on David Ferriero or Friends of the Everglades or Comprised of or innumerable talk and projectspace pages; but it will still show the links from, for example, Template:User2, which links it only by transcluding {{Userspace linking templates}}. We've been asking for a native way to see direct, non-transcluded links almost since templates were introduced, before I began editing. —Cryptic 20:41, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

Can we still use Visual Editor or am i just not seeing it?

Hi! I have made some edits to wikipedia but haven't do so for a while because i cant seem to see the visual editor anymore and anytime i want to edit, its always go for the source editor so i'm wondering if visual have been removed and we can only edit? in source or i am being dumb and not seeing it? i have "Enable the visual editor" turned on in preferences by the way. I am mainly asking this as i want to expand the Article 2014 Coventry City Council Election with this source Knockknock987 (talk) 18:52, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@Knockknock987: Also note the "Editing mode" option at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. Visual Editor still works. Does [12] start Visual Editor for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:38, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter works like a charm, thank you. i will now expand the article using the source Knockknock987 (talk) 20:56, 27 August 2023 (UTC)