User talk:Orangemike

Abuse

User abuses the Speedy Deletion mechanism. Zenasprime (talk) 18:05, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Batteries Included

Not a computer user? I'm surprised that you deleted the start of a page for this famous computer retailer and software publisher. Their PaperClip word processor was arguably the first which attained widespread use. Speedy deletion is a speedy way to discourage people from contributing. Lexor1969 (talk)

Long hair

hello OrangeMike, I edited the new article "long hair"- is it too short? greetings from Munich, Germany garlicboy1969 12:47, April 19th (CET) </nowiki>

Hello

Politics rule has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Castillero Middle School

Hey, I have no idea how to do a wikitable. I left some data on the article. Could anyone who's reading this make the table. will u help me please

Changes to Pension re: Chile

Mike - my purpose is not to dispute the changes made in Chile, I had simply moved that reference to the countries section of that page, and I've opened up a new page on the Chilean pension system.

The definition of pension should stay general and not reference any particular country or system. Country-specific changes are occurring constantly.

Okay=

Seems a bit confusing for the causal user but I'll be mindful of that in the future. -Leodmacleod 5:28, 24 Sept 2007 (UTC)

Re: Thanks for the image help

Hi, Orangemike! I'm curious at to where I helped you out - I'd like to know if I did something right :-) east.718 at 09:38, December 19, 2007

PostBooks Deletion on December 2, 2007

Orangemike, I would like to better understand why you felt the page I recreated was so blatantly advertising. I wanted to get this product in Wikipedia, and I spent a great deal of time researching other companies that are in a similar space. After being deleted once, I went back over again to include only facts. Would appreciate any advice on how to do this better, but an immediate deletion seems extreme. I would appreciate assistance in getting factual information here. Thx. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wallyton (talk • contribs)

Making History edit

Dear OrangeMike,

I think there has been some kind of misunderstanding concerning my supposedly 'inappropriate' editing of Making History (novel). I merely corrected a couple of grammatical errors, and I certainly made no attempt to deface the article, as your message to me seems to imply. Please write back as soon you get this, I'm sure we simply have our wires crossed. Thank you.

Yours,

User:6afraidof7

Thank you for your quick response, and I shall be more stringent in future.

Yours,

6afraidof7 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 6afraidof7 (talk • contribs)

Feminism

I love your edits on the feminism article. I take it your interested in feminism too, Am I right? I also wanted to say that I have watched "Win Ben Stein's Money" and I think I might remember you being on the game show. That was one of my favorite game shows. One more thing, I live in Tennessee too. I hope to see more of your edits on the feminism article in the future. --Grrrlriot (talk) 19:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I replied to your comment on my talk page from about a month or so ago. I'm not sure if you noticed. Thought I'd let you know. --Grrrlriot (talk) 20:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

You might be interested in: Portal:Feminism/Feminism_Task_Force. Just thought I'd let you know about it. :) --Grrrlriot (talk) 23:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you deserve this...

		The Orange Barnstar
		For your positive wording in here and in so many other places (and for being orange, of course). --omtay38

Idaho Caucus

I've dialed back the local boosterism and put the fact of Idaho's having the largest single caucus back into Caucus, as I believe it meets the criteria for notability. It doesn't quite fit in Super Tuesday (2008). kencf0618 (talk) 15:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

8,290 voters. AFAIK no other caucus can top that! kencf0618 (talk) 15:27, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Copyvio concerns at Una Canger

Isn't it a little exaggerated to think that a list of publications can constitute a violation of copyrights? First of all anyone could do a library search of all of her publications and come up with the same list of publications, in that exact order (alphabetical). And secondly the list is clearly not copypasted from that source since each contains publications that are not found in the other and the two lists are formatted differently. Third how on earth can somebody exert copyrights of a list of someones publications? And why would they? ·Maunus· ·ƛ· 15:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

It's the reproduction of the typo "Geopgraphic" that led somebody else to raise this question. If it's clear to you that the list is not a simple cut-and-paste, then feel free to delete the tag and remove from the problem list. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:08, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

List of satanic ritual abuse allegations

I was about to remove the prod, when someone else did so.

My reason for wanting removing it was that you as the editor who added the prod, didn't comment on how you thought it was a pov fork or where it should be merged to.

How it is a POV fork? It is a huge article which in no way shape or form could fit into Satanic Ritual abuse. Sethie (talk) 17:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi OM,

Have a gander at Talk:List of satanic ritual abuse allegations - I've removed the prod (though you're still free to AFD it if you still see it as a POV fork) and there's discussion on Talk:Satanic ritual abuse#Spin-out news clippings regards this. I think it's an appropriate page given the large number of other lists, if you still think it needs deletion then we'll discuss at AFD. If you think it is recoverable given the discussion, I would love some comments on how to do so (I'm usually not much involved in List pages). WLU (talk) 17:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. Do you have any suggestions for the page itself? It's the first 'list of' page I've created, and I don't really know how they break down. WLU (talk) 18:40, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The geographical breakdown seems a very sensible way to do it. The content, however, still reeks of credulity and sensationalism to me. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:47, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yup, which is why we wanted to farm it out of the main SRA page itself. It gives face validity and credibility to a concept which is essentially rejected by just about everyone except the false memory crowd. It's a difficult page to work with in part because of numerous editors with, ahem, restricted interests, while at least myself split my attention to a much larger variety of topics and dislike chasing down references and quotes for a topic that is pretty much regarded as a joke on pubmed. Still, it's a lot more congenial than you'd expect at times though it does require holding a very strict interpretation of WP:AGF. If you've got specific comments I'd definitely appreciate them, but I can completely understand any desire to not get involved. WLU (talk) 19:06, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Mike, we hear loud and clear that it appears to be sensationalism to you. I for one would love for that to be included in the article, for example, do you have citations or sources which criticize or are critical of such claims? A religious scholar saying, "People add this label or false accusations" or something? If so, it would not only make a more balanced article, it would be bring things closer to "the truth." Sethie (talk) 23:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Mesa Riverview

Please see Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Mesa_Riverview. Corvus cornix_talk 18:21, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Peak uranium

Orangemike, a couple of questions: 1) There are THREE references on the stub. How can you say that it needs citations? 2) How can you complain about the neutrality of the stub when you have not made your case in the discussion section? Why don't you explain it to me. Kgrr (talk) 19:17, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

WNYO

Most college radio stations in NY have their own page, so if you are going to nominate WNYO for deletion then you'd have to do the same to the other 30-40 with similar wattage. And it is listed as a station on CNYMedia.com. http://www.cnymedia.com/transmitters.cfm?&Band=FM&Market=Oswego -FancyMustard (talk) 19:15, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is not a valid argument for retention of an article. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

You guys are like robots throwing out your WP:Stuff. Our station is more than legit, if you had your own 100watt station it was probably illegal. We also broadcast on the Internet at wnyo.org which you can access anywhere in the world. Which many people use to listen to Oswego Laker Hockey which won the D-III National Championship last year. -FancyMustard (talk) 19:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I had my own show, not my own station, on a college station with a tiny wattage, like yours. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:33, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, you made it seem like you were broadcasting out of your basement with a homemade transmitter. -FancyMustard (talk) 19:36, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/fmq?list=0&facid=63122 FCC posting, and also go to the wnyo.org website. WNYO-FM is also moving into a new studio in the new campus center in Fall 2008. You can call the school to verify that or surf its webpage. And for my first radio show this semester, tune in and I'll play Greatful Dead for you! Time to be determined-FancyMustard (talk) 15:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

You got any Zappa? --Orange Mike | Talk 17:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

COI

A Wikipedia conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, verifiable encyclopedia free from original research, and the aims of an individual editor. Originally I added a non-neutral comment. I recognize that, it is gone and now the article is properly cited with FOUR different third party sources. There is no original research outside of what is common knowledge (i.e. Oswego is in New York State).

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a forum for advertising or self-promotion, or a vanity press. I am not promoting myself, my name isn't even in the article. We are not using this as a self-promotion on a whole either. WNYO page was here long before I came along to edit. I didn't create http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:New_York_college_radio ,so obviously someone deemed that college radio stations in NY state be listed on wikipedia.

Citing oneself - Editing in an area in which you have professional or academic expertise is not, in itself, a conflict of interest. Using material you yourself have written or published is allowed within reason, but only if it is notable and conforms to the content policies. Excessive self-citation is strongly discouraged. When in doubt, defer to the community's opinion. This article does not have excessive self-citation. In fact, I don't think it has anything left that hasn't been cited with a hyperlink or reference at the bottom of the page. Everything is in the FCC listing, CNY Media report or on the WNYO homepage. Plus, myself editing in an area I have academic expertise is not a COI.

Non-controversial edits -Editors who may have a conflict of interest are allowed to make certain kinds of non-controversial edits, such as 1.) Removing spam and reverting vandalism. 2.) Deleting content that violates Wikipedia's biography of living persons policy. 3.) Fixing spelling and grammar errors. 4.) Reverting or removing their own COI edits. Cleaning up your own mess is allowed and encouraged. 5.) Making edits that have been agreed to on the talk page. To determine what is controversial, use common sense. If another good faith editor objects, then it's controversial. Nothing in this article is controversial! And if anyone thinks it is then you need to let it go because you really have no reason to think it is. WNYO broadcasts sports live. Oh that offends me! Come on! You see my point!?! And #4 on that list I fixed. I cleaned up my own mess with my original non-neutral wording.

So please explain to me the basis of your argument other than the fact I am writing about something I have an academic expertise in. Which by the WP: link says is NOT grounds for COI!!! -FancyMustard (talk) 16:54, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Generally, nobody from the station should be doing any substantive editing themselves (with certain limited exceptions). --Orange Mike | Talk 17:00, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

"You guys are like robots throwing out your WP:Stuff." There is something about that. Maybe we should cut down on the Wikipedia lingo when explaining Wikipedia's inner wonkings workings to basically well-intentioned newbies. User:Dorftrottel 17:17, February 7, 2008

Thanks, Dorft, you've been really helpful even if we've differed on different things. Mike, like I said, I didn't create the article. I can understand if a couple external links are axed (cause that could be a little much), but the article as a whole is very informative and doesn't self promote the station in anything other than what the station is known for. Broadcasting live sporting events, etc. -FancyMustard (talk) 17:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Deleted my page: Sound Mind Investing

re:

Sound Mind Investing

This article was deleted, as it was blatantly advertising the newsletter and associated websites. In addition to our absolute prohibition against advertising in Wikipedia, your creation of the article was also an overt violation of our rules on conflict of interest. In addition, with all due respect, the newsletter would not have met our requirements of notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 16:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't quite understand. There are plenty of businesses profiled in Wikipedia. You're saying that this pseudo-Matthew Pryor is more notable than SMI? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_pryor

Our company is very similar to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Financial_Ministries

Additionally, I was explaining what we do and our history. I didn't solicite a sale or advertise at all. In fact, I don't think I even linked to our website in the entry.

So, if you could, please explain how I violated your "rules of conflict of interest" and "notability". With thousands and thousands (over 50,000 subscribers) over the years, and almost 100,000 copies of our book "The Sound Mind Investing Handbook" sold which was nominated for the Gold Medallion Award, we are quite notable. We have endorsements by some of the biggest names in the Christian community including:

Bill Bright Founder of Campus Crusade for Christ

Larry Burkett Co-Founder / Crown Financial Ministries

Dr. Charles F. Stanley Senior Pastor / First Baptist Church of Atlanta

Ron Blue Founding Partner of Ronald Blue & Co

Beverly LaHaye Founder / Concerned Women of America

D. James Kennedy, Ph.D. Senior Minister / Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church

Mary Hunt Founder and Editor / Debt-Proof Living

Howard Hendricks Chairman, Center for Christian Leadership Distinguished Professor, Dallas Theological Seminary

And more.

I don't understand how we don't comply yet there's tons of Wikipedia entries regarding people that most folks have never heard of and don't have endorsements from anyone respectable.

Additionally, we've been profiled on CBN.com, Crosswalk, and by Crown Financial Ministries. Each week in fact our content is on their huge websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acpryor (talk • contribs) — Acpryor (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

1. Given your position with this company, Austin Pryor, your creation and maintenance of the article constituted a blatant conflict of interest.
2. Advertisement includes public relations, not just solicitations to purchase. You yourself confessed that "I had copied all of our marketing copy in" to the article.
3. The existence of other articles which need to be improved or removed is not an argument for the retention of articles which violate our principles and guidelines. Thank you, however, for pointing these out to me.
4. The endorsements are irrelevant; notability, as we say, is not contagious. I decline to comment on the respectability of some of the people on that list, as that would be a violation of our neutral point of view policy.
5. Be assured that if this company is genuinely notable, some neutral third party might someday write an impartial article about it. If that were the case, the article would stand or fall on its own strength, with no adverse effects from this incident. It happens all the time.--Orange Mike | Talk 19:54, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

1) Can someone else in a different dept write the article? 2) I removed the marketing copy before saving it. 3) So are you going to spend the next several days purging these older articles? And would be correct to assume that your own page would be deleted if you weren't an admin? 4) Even though our content is displayed across other companies websites for thousands to see daily? 5) I go back to my 1st point. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acpryor (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: 1) No, that's still a conflict of interest. Y'all can't be impartial about your own company. 2) The article still read like marketing copy. 3) I've already tagged the two articles you mentioned; there is no article about me here, because I'm not notable. 4) Your content being elsewhere is irrelevant; what would be relevant would be articles about your company by impartial, third-party sources. 5) Nobody who is connected to your firm as employee, investor, client, momma-in-law, etc., is exempt from our standard of impartiality. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok... I think I'm getting it...

So I'm clear, if someone other than anyone affiliated writes an article about SMI on Wikipedia, that would be okay as long as it held up on its own merits. That is to say, that person would have to do it all. And be responsible for it all. And it would have to be factually accurate.

Is that right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Acpryor (talk • contribs) 20:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of Michael malcolm thompson

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Rick Strawn

The article was notable because he runs one of the largest teen escort companies in the US and due to the strange circumstances surrounding his personal life. --RucasHost (talk) 21:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, and he seems to meet the notability requirements set-forth in WP:BIO. --RucasHost (talk) 21:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

There is a huge article on him -- which received an award -- at Legal Affairs. I cited it when I started the Wikipedia article. There are also many smaller articles on the Internet, didn't any of you do any research before you deleted my article? --RucasHost (talk) 14:12, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

That's the term Wikipedia used at Teen escort company, it has nothing to do with sex. --RucasHost (talk) 14:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

José Manuel Lugo, Jr.

Hi. If you're on-line, would you like to knock out José Manuel Lugo, Jr. again? Already speedied three times, if he creates it again perhaps we can block him, and perhaps salt it. JohnCD (talk) 22:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

speedy deletion

It is unfair. I refer to the article from Japanese wikipedia, and you just put the speedy tag right after I created it. The company is one of the major ISP company in Japan. You didn't give me any time to build up the article! And didn't you see the attached link in the infobox?--Appletrees (talk) 22:39, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't understand you. Many article start from stub like that. I provide the infobox which has some info about the company. The article is just missing references. If you are so eager to delete the fresh stub, you might delete whole bunch of stubs in Wiki. --Appletrees (talk) 22:46, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

United States Presidential Election cat

Actually, the reason he doesn't belong in the cat is because presidential candidates belong in the Presidential Candidates, 2008 category, but not the supercategory, Presidential Election, 2008- as stated in big warning letters on the category page. Schissel | Sound the Note! 01:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Warren D. Goldfarb

I do not understand why you think that saying someone is a professor of philosophy at harvard and the editor of the collected works of an extremely notable scientist is not an assertion of notability. You may not think it notable enough, and that's for AfD, but it is certainly an claim to at least some degree of notability. Personally, i think it will certainly stand at AfD, but that s just my advice.DGG (talk) 01:37, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

speedy deletion

Why have i been given a speedy deletion? My post is about my web browser, and is formal in the sense of computer software. Can you please remove the speedy deletion as i need my articles for college and my websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patternjake (talk • contribs) 15:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Lyman Hine (environmentalist)

Hi, I am an admin here and while cleaning out the articles at Candidates for Speedy Deletion, I saw that you tagged the above article as an A7. I believe that "known for his role in founding the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change" is an assertion of notability, and have therefore declined the speedy. Dsmdgold (talk) 16:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

speedy deletion

hi again, i want to KNOW why you deleted my Element Browser article. You claimed it was a project but what about Microsoft Windows, Firefox and all the other computer softwares? Firefox is a project too or are you hired to remove any new competeing product??????? I want answers, and you know who i am. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patternjake (talk • contribs) 17:53, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The project in question is not notable. All the other software you listed is not only long out of beta testing, but has been written about in major publications around the world. Wikipedia is not a venue for notes about some kewl new project you're working on. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:59, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Your recent deletion of The Fast and the Furious 4

Hi! I kind of "noticed" that you deleted The Fast and the Furious 4, an article I created, per CSD G4. I just want to inform you that your rationale is false, the article you deleted is fully created by myself based on new sources and is not a recreation of previously deleted material. I request that you to restore the article immediately. --MrStalker ^(talk) 18:15, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello? It would be nice if you could clean up the mess you've made. Now someone else have created the article again but this one sucks, please delete it and restore my revision. --MrStalker ^(talk) 22:07, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion Review for The Fast and the Furious 4

An editor has asked for a deletion review of The Fast and the Furious 4. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. MrStalker ^(talk) 22:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's fast. Never mind then. Thanks. --MrStalker ^(talk) 22:24, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Okey... the article was deleted, again. --MrStalker ^(talk) 22:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I got a bit of a mess there. Thanks for you help with the deletion, redeletion, undeletion... eh... well, thanks. I'll see you in the AfD :P --MrStalker ^(talk) 23:05, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

AED

Hello Orangemike. Please reply to my comment at Talk:Academy for Educational Development when you get the opportunity. Thanks. • Freechild'sup? 18:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

speedy

Timothy C. Winegard would almost certainly not be considered notable, quite apart from the COI, but it was asserted he was the author of a scholarly articles, and any assertion of plausible notability should prevent speedy. I'm not asking you to undelete it--it isnt worth the trouble, but as I see it better to do things right for the education of the newbies. DGG (talk) 04:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

TFD

Mike, we've seen each other around the XFD land a lot, and agree about 95%+ time. You fight the good fight. Where bio's and music, songs, etc. are concerned, the already loose notability guidelines are routinely ignored - no sourcing, or sourcing to rags, myspace, youtube, blogs seems sufficient. I can only contemplate the rarest of cases where you can have an encyclopedic article on an upcoming album - these articles are rumors and fancruft, how are we expected to have what I consider the minimal basic facts about an album: its tracks, reviews, and sales rankings. Barring significant charting, it's likely to be best to describe the album on the musician's page. And why musicians and other bios are thought to be encyclopedic when no one can find out when or where they were born, the most rudimentary biographical material that any biography should contain. Just a pep talk (you probably don't need) that there are others who feel as you do. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 18:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Timothy C. Winegard (cross posted from User talk:DGG)

I will admit, the probable COI and the "grandson of somebody with a Wikipedia article" didn't exactly make me look more favorably at it; but it's the lack of notability claim that did it. Four articles is a pretty low count, and doesn't make an assertion of notability, to my way of thinking. Four books yeah; but not four articles. Heck, I've published more than that (albeit in vulgar, common magazines and newspapers with much larger circulations, not in scholarly publications); and I make no assertion of notability for myself. --Orange Mike | Talk 04:27, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea who Timothy Winegard is or was ...

... nor have I any idea about the possible or probable conflict of interest; but four articles in refereed academic journals could establish notability; then again it might not. It all depends on the notability of the four articles, and that is something that only a person versed in the field, most likely an academic, can determine. And academics are few and far between on Wikipedia.

Conversely, four books -- or forty articles! -- is no guarantee of notability. There are vast differences in number of articles produced in various academic disciplines, and in some it is the norm to have large numbers of co-authors (even the Nobel prize is often divided; let us not even consider the Writers' Guild rules concerning film credits or the Academy Awards for producers!)

Nor is circulation a certain guide; the smallest of the British tabloids probably has a circulation greater than the combined press run for the New England Journal of Medecine and the Harvard Law Review, which in now way reflects on the notability of their respective authors.

I am not arguing an elitist position: to have written a book of any sort -- just one book -- that finds its way onto the N.Y. Times bestseller list or onto Oprah Winfrey's show should settle any question of notability.

Nor am I expressing any opinion concerning Winegard, just putting down some general observations about a most likely insoluble problem on Wikipedia. My own bias is that anything ending in .EDU deserves the benefit of the doubt -- innocent until proven guilty -- but then again that's how my e-mail address ends; a proper academic — I hope I qualify as such — discloses his / her potential conflicts of interest. Robert Greer (talk) 19:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Wow, the standards for speedy deleting articles must be far more liberal than my expectations if that particular article is even eligible for speedy deletion. I certainly would have expected that article to go through an AFD discussion before it was deleted. Not at all marginal IMHO. An unsolicited opinion from Royalbroil 01:49, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Spyder

At Wikiproject Robotics, we always welcome input from everyone who reviews new articles...we've got a bunch of newbies on the way (heads up :) and we'll need you guys to be on your toes. Why do you think the article about the Spyder is promotional? How would you review a robotic lawnmower that has not yet been released in a way that is not promotional? Btw, this is just a stub...extra information from a guy who has actually tested the product is on the way. Granted this article is the worst-sourced new article I've ever written...and I can't see how to avoid that with a consumer product which has not yet been released. But if you like, I'll be happy to dig harder. I combed the usual sites with not much luck. And P.S. ... issues about what sources are and are not valid for robotics articles is a subject that was recently discussed over at WP:AN ... if you're going to be reviewing our new articles often, you might want to read some of the discussion at WP:ROBO/ADMINLOG. I've copied this to my userpage, reply there please. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 01:31, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

P.S. Did you see my comment about the reliability of the source?

[copied from my userpage to SatyrTN and Orangemike] Dank55 - You're an experienced editor. You've been around a while, it looks like. You should know that articles are required to meet notability guidelines. That means "significant coverage from multiple reliable sources independent of the subject." In the case of Spyder (lawnmower), that would mean the article should have multiple reviews of the product that aren't done by the manufacturer. Until and unless that can be found, I recommend keeping the article within your userspace. Try to find some reliable sources, some independent references - then publish the article. Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 02:52, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

[Copied to SatyrTN's talk page]Satyr has pretty much covered everything I was going to say, Dank notability, notability, notability. These articles are promoting non-notable products, so I feel that the spam speedy applies. No offense, and without intending to "bite the noobs", I would say that the Wikiproject sounds like its entire purpose is to create articles destined for rejection. Not every clever new concept and interesting project is notable; most of them are bound for the dustbin of history. I would advise a robotics project to switch to improving the existing articles, and not creating all these articles about products that have not even been released. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Orangemike (talk • contribs) 13:58, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

There was a recently relevant discussion over at WP:AN (which I referred you to), and this feels like part of that discussion to me, so I'm going to continue the conversation over there...even though WP:AN is usually for disputes and I'm not disputing what you did. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

(copied here from our wikiproject in response to your post there) I responded at WP:AN. I apologize, my post in WP:AN came two hours after this [i.e. your wikiproject] post...I didn't see it, I was looking at the 3 userpages where we had been discussing it. I want to stress to everyone that Orangemike is only doing his job here, and I think he made some eloquent points, and this was the right forum for these points. I didn't copy these points over to WP:AN because in that forum, people are all up to speed on this stuff.

this part I didn't say there (or at WP:AN)...Orangemike, I see this as a debate. I am not trying to paint you as, nor do I believe you or any admin to be, the evil dude. In fact, I've read your userpage, and you are very much my kind of guy. Your points on our Wikiproject were quite appropriate and useful, for that audience. But the bottom line here is "you get what you pay for". Many helpful people are showing up at Wikipedia...not starry eyed, crippled people like me, but people who actually know quite well what is and isn't "notable" in robotics...and they're all leaving with bloody noses. If you want better robotics articles, then you guys are going to have to pay the cost of taking a few minutes to listen to the other side. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 20:26, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

(copied at my talkpage) I got the nicest email from Orangemike today, "I'm relieved to see that you will still be around, Dan. We need your kind of passion around here." Right back atcha, and please see my (short!) apology here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dank55 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

"Accusations"? I've heard no accusations from you, Dan. Concerns, frustration, distress, yes; and all highly understandable. I've seen no accusations for which I perceive any need to apologize. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:23, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks...I wasn't sure how it would be perceived, I thought some might see what I was writing as at least a challenge to authority or something. Personally, I agree with you, I felt all those things, but was not challenging you. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 20:27, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Peak uranium

Mike, I've done quite a bit of work on the article. Perhaps you can look at it again and give me a few pointers. My goal is to have it accepted as a GA article soon. Kgrr (talk) 04:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Sort keys

A postscript, posted on my page then realized you might be done watching it, so I'll mention it here too.

You do realize that this works differently from piping in wikilinks, which changes what you see on the page, don't you? It is still the article name that appears in the category listing, no matter what you put in the sort key. The sort key only affects where it appears; it doesn't change what appears there. Gene Nygaard (talk) 21:12, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

I had forgotten that, in all honesty. I'm fortunate in that my primary language doesn't use diacriticals. Unfortunately, for languages that use non-ASCII characters, this system is badly crippled. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:15, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Skulk,et al

I'm a little confused about the Amalgam Comics characters.. Do you want to replace by just an entry in a list, in which case I will remove the prod and send them to AfD, since it will probably be controversial. Or do you want to merge, retaining appropriate content, in which case they shouldt be on prod. DGG (talk) 04:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

so if you do want them merged or redirected, as you say on my talk page, why the PRODs? If its to get attention to them, that makes sense, and you have done so. But if they are deleted, it would be been harder to make appropriate reuse of the material, so I will remove the prods. I too oppose very long articles on individual characters, but I apparently set the bar differently than you, for the article on Skulk (for example) does not seem excessive. Given what appears to be the complicated chronology with the series, it might even help to have more extensive information about just where the characters appeared--but i am certainly not an expert. DGG (talk) 14:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

I was about to create a page to merge to, but then I discovered something: There was an AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Amalgam Comics character in October 07 where the closing was that the list was to be deleted, since the notable characters were covered in individual articles. So I think t hat perhaps the merge will not be a good idea. I'm removing the prods, bring to afd if you want, though I would suggest waiting until after the arb com on Episodes concludes, since t he scope of it is not clear. I'd be perfectly willing to support a deletion review on that afd, if you want to bring it, or after the arb com, create a List of Minor Amalgam Comics Characters. I agree that these things are a problem, and we need a general solution--I am getting quite exasperated with trying to keep track of it all. DGG (talk) 15:54, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

AMC

In the case of AMC and its nicknames, I think blogs could be counted as sources since the topic deals with slang. Also, a good number of sources are saying the same thing: People (even official sources who are unaware of what AMC originally/actually stands for) do refer to AMC as the "American Movie Channel" and/or "All Movie Channel". If it were just ONE blog saying this, then yeah, I can see that. --Ragemanchoo (talk) 06:06, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Clearspring

Hi - I rewrote the History section for our article page in an effort to put in facts about the company and link to supporting articles. I placed this on the discussion page as you requested. Would you please take a look at comment? I'd like to swap out the entire "History" section with my proposed content. Thanks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clearspring Widgetgirl 19:24, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Katoucha Niane

I see that you removed the link to Katoucha Niane's book "Dans ma chair" on Amazon.fr. Is such a link automatically "linkspam"? I didn't have any affiliate program tag in the link, if that is what you feared. Please advise. --AStanhope (talk) 20:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

White Owl Winery notability

Howdy, I removed the speedy from White Owl Winery since it cited at least two reliable sources supporting notability (so I think that makes it notable in the technical WP:N sense). The article itself did a very poor job of claiming notability, so I tried to fix that in a simple way. I marked the article as a winery stub, so hopefully a wikiproject will pick it up and expand it. Feel free to nominate it for deletion if you still think it needs it. JackSchmidt (talk) 22:01, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and definitely feel free to remove the ads from the article. I stopped reading at the paw paw. :) JackSchmidt (talk) 22:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of SocialPicks

Why did you list SocialPicks for speedy deletion? The article clearly notes the significance of the company in almost every sentence.Dimension31 (talk) 22:56, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, you can help improve Wikipedia by contributing to the article instead of trying to delete it for no reason.Dimension31 (talk) 00:38, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

A company that has had extensive press coverage for over a year is probably pretty notable.Dimension31 (talk) 03:16, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's had over two years of coverage. My mistake! Dimension31 (talk) 03:21, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

• New comments on Talk:SocialPicks --Daddy.twins (talk) 00:55, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Carter Page

That was not blatant copyright infringment. The picture may have been, you could have just erased that. Thanks a lot. Creamy3 (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

We couldn't just delete the picture! (Further discussion on your talk page. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:46, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Fine. Carter Page ******** anyway. Creamy3 (talk) 20:31, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Catlink block

Hey, User talk:CatLink has requested an unblock. He seems to understand what he did wrong, is willing to play by the rules, but, wants to see if he can retain his present username. I think this seems like a reasonable enough request (by itself, the username is fairly harmless), however, I was wondering, if I could get you to take a look at User talk:CatLink, and, maybe comment on the discussion there, as the blocking admin. Thanks! SQL^{Query me!} 21:03, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Undo the Deletion of Yellayapalem

Hi,

I created a page about my place Yellayapalem. but to my surprise it is deleted recently by you. Could you please undo the deletion of that. That page tells about my place. presently it is in local language, i am planning to convert it to English.

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.199.183.30 (talk) 13:57, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

My take on activism

After talking with long-time friends at the ACLU dinner on Wednesday, some ideas about what activism is and isn't congealed for me, and I put them on my user page, for folks who are interested. - Dan Dank55 (talk) 15:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

"SAE - World Council of Hellenes Abroad" article?

Hi Mike,

I dont understand, why you deleted the following article? 03:23, 14 February 2008 Orangemike deleted "SAE - World Council of Hellenes Abroad".

I have all the rights from the SAE Organisation to publish their text on Wikipedia! Could you please undo the deletion.

Greetings Th. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bountos (talk • contribs)

You are asking me to provide a reference to a reference

I am not new to wikipedia, and you have weighed in on Irishguy disappearing one of my references. I hope you did not ignore the facts of the history of this set of references, which are being targetted by Indymedia personnel. Contextflexed (talk) 21:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ann Moray and Blue Eyes

Mike: I am living where I cannot easily find a library with back issues of The Christian Herald. As you will note from the title of the referenced book, it is an anthology of writings from that periodical. I, also, would like to know the original citation. It was this small article by Moray that got me curious about her, and led me to do some serious informal research on her life. Perhaps someone else can access the source. ````Richard E. Davies —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard E. Davies (talk • contribs) 22:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Orange Mike

Today you murdered my account because you are a fat fucking IWW queer. The reason you gave was that you didn't like my username, which like yours, matches your webpage. Then you started dicking around with other content I posted here, laying warning tags just to be a spiteful faggot. You assholes bypassed all of your own protocol. Therefore, I am fucking all of you from now on. Because you did this to back user IrishGuy, and because my appeals were sabotaged by other whitelisted abusers of nonadmins, you will all be systematically outed at my convenience. Have fun blocking this ip, as it is the ip for an entire library. --contextflexed

User:Contextflexed - Please clarify

Hi Organgemike! I've just been looking into the dispute between User:Irishguy and User:Contextflexed and you as the involved, blocking admin. Do you mind explaining, briefly, why the username was blocked indef? Poeloq (talk) 23:23, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Martha Tilston

Hi there, I've declined your speedy here as she is certainly notable - nomination for the BBC Folk Awards virtually guarantees this, plus has articles (albeit short ones) in 2 national newspapers. I've inserted a second reference from The Guardian. Kim Dent-Brown ^(Talk) 15:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy and the rockbots

I've removed the speedy deletion tag off the speedy and the rock bots or whatever that last article you tagged was. Although it may have been written in the form of spam (which I don't believe it to be), it can still be rewritten so as to be encyclopedia worthy. Best ragardsMonkeytheboy (talk) 16:34, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Please note that I am not a "substantial contributor" to this article. I HAVE deleted some sections in it so far that are obviously unnecessary for encyclopedic use. Monkeytheboy (talk) 16:42, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Good to know. See, this is why I don't do well with the ladies; I confuse things to be what they don't mean which at times is what they DO mean which are also variable depending on the moon phases and current climate conditions. (You tag seemed directed at me, if you didn't get that...)

B.Z. (newspaper)

RE: this edit
Interestingly, the German article cites no sources, either. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:24, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Didn't know there was a large German population in Milwaukee. I took 4 years of German in high school and found absolutely no use for it here in the good ol' U.S. of A. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:29, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Holeycrissmiss!!! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:49, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Candice Azzara

Hello, OrangeMike! As you don't appear to be a regular contributor to articles related to film, theatre, or television, I'm not sure why you seem to feel qualified to question Azzara's "notability." She was red-linked in several articles and I believe her credits are substantial enough to warrant an article of her own. Thank you. MovieMadness (talk) 17:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree an IMDb listing and a personal website unto themselves might not denote notability, but if the credits listed within them are substantial and already cited in other Wikipedia articles, then there would appear to be some merit to creating an article about the subject. (I wouldn't, for example, create an article about you based on your IMDb credits!) From what I can see, IMDb and IBDb widely are accepted as reputable sources of information. I'm working on a couple of other articles at the moment - coincidentally Azzara-related - but ASAP I will add one or two more external links if you feel they're necessary. Thanks for your response. MovieMadness (talk) 18:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't think your position is correct.

I object to you repeatedly using 'proposed deletion'. It's passive. Go and nominate it for AfD, but since I object to it bring an 'uncontroversial' deletion, and have repeatedly in the past, it automatically isn't. --Thespian (talk) 18:40, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

This was re Corinna Fugate. I believe you're wrong that it is not notable. Just because all she really merits is a stub doesn't mean it is totally without notability. I'll stand by an AfD ruling, but I'm tired of the attempts at uncontested deletion every 2 months or so when you know I'll contest it. --Thespian (talk) 08:17, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

speedies

for Grant Stevens (doctor), asserting dozens of professional publications is at least an assertion of notability . If you don't think its enough for actual notability, use afd or prod. But anything that any reasonable person could think indicates some importance is enough for passing speedy. Please be more careful--there are a number of valid comments above by a number of different admins about excessive use of speedy. DGG (talk) 18:50, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

COI is also not a reason for speedy, or even for deletion. I have no idea if the article will pass AfD, or even if I will !vote for a keep there. But any assertion of importance passes speedy A7, and enough factual information is presented that it isnt pure spam either. DGG (talk) 18:58, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Friendship Fountain

To Orangemike: This is an article about a public landmark in Jacksonville, Florida, controlled by the city government. There is no commercial interest, nor any direction to other websites. What is your justification for the spam tag? Mgreason (talk) 19:14, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

To Orangemike: Citations have been provided where you indicated the need. Can the "Refimprove" tag be removed?Mgreason (talk) 15:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

To Orangemike: Thank you for your assistance and contributions on this article. Mgreason (talk) 14:22, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

speedie delete

I have a bunch of Edmund Quincy's I am working on after I tagged the page a disab/ Would you give on old man an hour to indicated the significance. I could not even down a cold one before it was gone. Much appreciated. PS. I do appreciate that somebody is looking a marginal pages, keep up the speedy work (grin).--Rcollman (talk) 19:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Caregiving and dementia

Thanks for the quick followup, but I think your NOR tag is addressed now. Please let me know if you think there's still something that offends the policy.LeadSongDog (talk) 19:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Gina DeVivo

Hello! Regarding your [edit here], Could you specify what do you mean by the COI sign. What and who are you referring to? It was not made clear on the talk page. Cheers! Λua∫Wise ^{(Operibus anteire)} 20:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, it might well be true :). But we can not say that for sure, now can we? Λua∫Wise ^{(Operibus anteire)} 20:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Anyways, thanks! :D Λua∫Wise ^{(Operibus anteire)} 20:36, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion

Please meta:Don't be a dick and perform some due diligence before deleting an article 30 seconds after creation. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:01, 18 February 2008 (UTC) Well you could have done any one of the following:

• Not ignored my "hold on" tag.
• Noticed that the article has a link to the Swedish Wikipedia which has a full article.
• Waited more than 30 seconds after my first edit to delete the article.

Any of the above would have been sufficient for you to to not delete the article 30 seconds after the first edit. You are much too zealous, and shouldn't ever be the person to delete, after a person has added "hold on". The point of hold on is to force a third set of eyes on the article, not to ignore the tag and delete anyway. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:13, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Powerarts

Be aware that the account has been used to create very spammy articles for recording artists whose label is "Power Arts"! --Orange Mike | Talk 22:23, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up -- I will keep an eye out. The new name, however, is definitely harmless. - Revolving Bugbear 22:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Lyrics

There's lyrics all over Wikipedia. See article on Julie London, for example.

Warning on wrong page

I assume [1] was intended for User talk:128.12.55.62 (where somebody else has already commented). PrimeHunter (talk) 15:30, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Duh!!!! My bad; thanks for the catch, Prime. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:35, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Don Sakers

Thanks for the edits. Bearian (talk) 17:18, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Why'd you delete My Page?

Why'd you delete My page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Manga25 (talk • contribs) 03:19, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Fond du Lac, Wisconsin

Would you look over the most recent edit to the article? I have been reverting the change as unsourced and controversial. Would you give your opinion? Should the article become semi-protected since this edit has happened by multiple anons? I probably shouldn't semi-protect it myself since I'm involved in the dispute. Royalbroil 14:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

The same person is doing the same thing at That '70s Show. Royalbroil 14:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the situation. I requested page protection and it was denied. Someone suggested WP:AIV, but I felt it wasn't necessarily bad faith vandalism but more of a content dispute. Royalbroil 16:33, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Peak uranium

Mike, you had lodged a NPOV problem with the article. You wrote "The article is written from the point of view of an environmentalist (like myself), with partisan statements of the "It stands to reason that" sort". A pro-nuclear person would never write this article. They would never acknowledge peak uranium could be a problem. But I am trying to write the article as balanced as I can. If you would please, help me by identifying specific sections that need to be balanced. I will remove the NPOV claim if I don't hear from you by the end of the month.Kgrr (talk) 16:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Veriflora

As written the article is about a process, not the organization. I also do not feel that articles with references should be speedy deleted. I would not contest a PROD. Dsmdgold (talk) 18:54, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Hindu Youth

Hello Mike, I need your thoughts regarding on this article. Should not we take it to afd?--NAHID 19:10, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry Re: Gina DeVivo

Didn't think I had to give reasons why I deleted my own input. Thought it was only for other people's comments that I had to justify. I just want to delete the damn article. Has given me nothing but problems since I started it. RingPOPmom (talk) 00:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• I can't nominate for a deletion myself I have to have someone else do it? RingPOPmom (talk) 00:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
• Yes it did look pretty complicated. How bout you. Will you nominate it for deletion? I've had so many people during the first two deletion periods who claim she's not notable, reliable sources needed, verifiability, etc.... I'm tired of having everyone discuss about all the "wrong things" on it, etc... It would be easier to delete it from it's existance. RingPOPmom (talk) 00:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
• Aren't you going to vote on the deletion page? Only one person has voted. I don't need another noncensus vote and have it be kept again.RingPOPmom (talk) 20:26, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Ibn Khafaja

Howdy, I will further wikify the booktitles. The inline references are there. Anything else?S711 (talk) 00:51, 21 February 2008 (UTC) That was quick. Thanks. I'll work on it.S711 (talk) 01:02, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• Hi Mike. How do you like my new notes? (article Ibn Khafaja)S711 (talk) 10:22, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Mr. Orange

Hello, I'm trying to get this article in line with wiki policy so that the article does not endure warning markers, other people have contributed to the latter deleted version as well as the rewritten version to improve it. The articles subject is not a contributer. This is actually the first in a series of articles I feel deserve to be added, but this being the first it is a learning experience, as I didn't realize there would be a detailed grulling of specifics. I do understand why it is important though to be thoughrough and have taken the time to look at other articles to improve this one. I really don't think the COI is warented though, the interest is objective, but generous in giving light to ones that people would care to know about and can learn from.

Cityvscity (talk) 01:05, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Ohhhhhh, you know what I see what happened, LOL, see what I've been doing is creating the article on my user page because thats where I thought you were supposed to do it, I totally did not realize peope were going there reading it as my profile. Oh damn, no wonder people keep giving me a hard time. I'm not even a male, haha. I guess I need to change that then. Like I was saying this is only my first article.

Cityvscity (talk) 01:33, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Tagging and notices

You tagged modern metal for speedy deletion without notice, and rather quickly I might add. Care to explain? Gimmetrow 02:04, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion to Vicki Iseman article

I disgagree with you speedy deletion of the Vicki Iseman article. The article was a newly created stub that needed vast improvement and editing; however, it was not poorly sourced and I was in the process of improving the article after the original creator had done a poor job in its creation. I had already altered the material and assigned it a proper source prior to your deletion. I was in the process of editing the talk page to discuss the deletion issue when the article was deleted. I have written a statement on the talk page of that article. Failureofafriend (talk) 02:17, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

• What do you propose I do? The speedy deletion tag was already deleted by another user before I came across the page. I don't want to recreate an article that was just deleted. If that isn't an edit war, the tag certainly seems to forbid it. I was in the process of beginning a discussion for it as a regular AfD on the talk page, and then I was going to improve the article.Failureofafriend (talk) 02:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion ??

I hope it's a mistake [2]. I have not translated the bibliography section but the author wrote a lot of books and biographies as you can see here or here. Yours, Puark (talk) 02:25, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Vicki Iseman

Please address my comments on Talk:Vicki Iseman. Explain why a five-kilobyte stub biography should contain a six-kilobyte in-depth analysis of a tangentially related matter. --TS 16:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Ibn Khafaja

Hello there Mike. Would you care to have another look at Ibn Khafaja? Cheerio.S711 (talk) 18:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Moviestar.ie

Hi Orangemike, can you reassess your decision to delete the article I created for Moviestar.ie.

I created the page after checking the web notability guidelines, and from what I can see it satifies criterion 2 - "The website or content has won a well-known and independent award from either a publication or organization" - It won a Golden Spider Award in 2006 as per the article. These awards are the main internet awards in Ireland, and as such are very well known here, and they are independent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1-555-confide (talk • contribs) 00:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

Hello Orangemike. I saw your user page before I joined Wikipedia. I saw your user page in August, 2007. At the time, you were not an admin and I was thinking about creating an account. Now, you have become an admin. Regards, Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/G. Edward Griffin (2nd nomination)

Check THIS out, from LakeOswego (talk · contribs) --Calton | Talk 12:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Gary Huey

I don't know why you deleted my page on Gary Huey. I wrote an explanation as to why the bio page was created because it was a link that tied into another page on surrealistic artists. As to the images I uploaded I did put information on where it originated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lowe1 !2 (talk • contribs) 13:52, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

!

Shut your mouth! Dont tell me to be civil because I am done here. I will not log back into this site again or contribute to it again. Everybody here wants to act like a jackass thats fine, because I dont have to tolerate it.Harebag (talk) 15:31, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Mistagged user page

I removed your WP:CSD#A4 tag from User:LakeOswego. I am sure you did not intend to put it there. Jerry talk ¤ count/logs 05:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Orangemike:

Sorry about that. Wasn't sure of the protocol. Thanks for the tip. Matt 15:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MattPhillips33 (talk • contribs)

User_talk:MattPhillips33

I refactored. Hope you don't mind! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 15:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

cannot disagree

I'll work on it. --Fredrick day (talk) 16:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Mad Hatter/Painbearer

I saw that you reverted an edit by Painbearer to Mad Hatter's user page. It appears that they are the same person. --Pleasantville (talk) 16:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of the Bluenose Chapter of the BMW Club of Canada

I started this entry as I was adding content to the Atlantic Motorsport Park entry and thought that it should be included, perhaps after quickly reading the criteria for entry I should have entered it as a redirected page or something, but I've not really gotten the hang of the Wikipedia protocol yet.

I felt the Bluenose BMW Club likely warranted it's our citation separate from the likes of Atlantic Motorsport Park or Westwood, because it isn't just about AMP. Atlantic Motorsport Park is the facility that the club uses to teach young drivers vehicle control through practicing emergency manouvers, car control along with studying and applying the theories and applications of vehicle dynamics, and while there was a listing for the BMW Car Club of America, there was no such listing for the BMW Car Club of Canada which would, I guess, be the logical place for it to exist.

Do you feel I should create a BMW Car Club of Canada entry and copy the Bluenose Chapter information or link over to it? Or should this material not be in Wikipedia?

Regards, Alan Coles — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alan Coles (talk • contribs) 11:38, February 25, 2008

Immigration Case Management

I had just removed the G11 tag --and removed the one line of advertising--and saved in when you deleted it as G11. You were probably working simultaneously. Since it's a very low quality unsourced article, and I was about to put a prod tag on, I'm not asking you to reverse, but I think its a conceivable article on what is plausible a general subjectDGG (talk) 17:29, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Franziska Drohsel

Mike, I'm confused by your speedy deletions of the Franziska Drohsel article I'm trying to work on. The first speedy deletion was done in spite of a hangon template, and the second deletion asserted "foreign content" even though I had translated the entire introduction to the article. Aelffin (talk) 17:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

That was a button-clicking accident; Franziska Drohsel has been restored! --Orange Mike | Talk 17:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the translated article. Aelffin (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Aber natürlich! --Orange Mike | Talk 18:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Kein problem... Ich hab, übringens, deine "Tax the Rich" Template gestohlen. Sehr schön! Aelffin (talk) 18:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Youth United

An article that you have been involved in editing, Youth United, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Youth United. Thank you. Welt^anschaunng 17:59, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Cream of mushroom soup: hangon!

I posted {{hangon}} on cream of mushroom soup, but you deleted it before I could post on the discussion page. Now that I have replied to the delete request, would you consider undeleting the page? It will have substantive content as soon as the page is finished. --Beefyt (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You're proposing original research; Wikipedia is not the place for that. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:03, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. In any Wikipedia article, it is necessary for the editor to demonstrate the notability of the article by citing published material on the topic. To achieve what I described as "demonstrating cream of mushroom has a distinct place amateur cooking", I intend to cite published recipes (e.g., in the Joy of Cooking) that call for cream of mushroom soup. I do not intend to create new recipes that use cream of mushroom soup, which would constitute original research. If citing recipes that use cream of mushroom soup constitutes original research, then I question how any Wikipedia article may cite sources and not be considered original research. On the contrary, citing sources is not original research, and declaring that cream of mushroom soup is notable in that it is frequently used is not original research, since this face is demonstrated by the abundance of sources on the topic, i.e., recipes. --Beefyt (talk) 18:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

The question is not whether COM soup exists, or is used in recipes; the question is whether such use is notable. The bare assertion that it is, because you deem its use "frequent" and "abundant" is OR. Now, if you've got cites from reliable sources other than a Monty Python skit that say so, then we're in business. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:20, 25 February 2008 (UTC) (had to make the Python reference; no offense meant)

So we agree that COM itself is notable by the primary notability criterion, but you disagree that the use of COM is notable. I therefore submit to you that we undelete the COM page (since it is demonstrably notable), and instead of including flagrant OR that the use COM is notable, I will instead restrict the content of the article to a contextualized list of Wikipedia articles of casseroles (such as the ones I have already listed). Since these articles haven't been deleted yet, we can reasonably conclude that they, and by extension, by proposed article, are notable and verifiable. What criteria, then, are left to support deletion? --Beefyt (talk) 18:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

???? So we agree that COM itself is notable by the primary notability criterion???? What are you talking about? I see nothing to indicate notability. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You said that you do not question that COM is used in recipes. Indeed, it has! Does this not imply that it has been the subject (an essential ingredient) of non-trivial published works (recipes) by multiple separate sources (thousands of cookbooks and blogs) that are independent of the subject itself (probably not on the payroll of Campbell's)? At first you said my article was OR, then you said the use of COM was not notable, and now you suggest that COM itself is not notable? I have rescinded my bid to prove that COM was notable. I ask only that you undelete COM, because it is notable (as demonstrated) and because it does not (and will not) violate any WP policies (such as OR). --Beefyt (talk) 19:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

You need to go back and reread the definition of notable. "Significant coverage" means that sources address the subject directly in detail, and no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than trivial but may be less than exclusive. Inclusion of an ingredient in a recipe doesn't qualify. You need to find articles, books, etc. about the product itself. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. I will try to find some sources. Thanks for the help! --Beefyt (talk) 19:57, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

DoubleJay Creative

You deleted my page on DJC without responding to my "Talk" reasoning. DJC is one of the biggest production companies in Knoxville and more than fulfills the notoriety standards that Wikipedia requires. The wiki page I made is considerably more sourced and elaborate than other Business' pages (ex. AC Entertainment) and, though specific to DJC projects, is not slanted. If you'll tell me exactly what it is about the page that you consider to be "spam" I will rewrite it, but there's no need to delete the entire article, which contains a lot of good information. Please respond and tell me what to do to make it more acceptable, because DJC is a notable business and deserves to be in the Wiki. Dingstersdie (talk) 18:49, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

--I'm sorry, but your response wasn't really helpful. If you had given me the time to finish making the page, I would have added the fact that DJC made the first movie *ever* that was shot and edited digitally. Secondarily, it's not some "little production company in Knoxville," it has a satellite office in LA and does worldwide business. I've been all through the notability guidelines and even in regards to the discussion on the notability page, it seems like DJC is well-covered. According to the notability page, a business qualifies if it is notable on a national scale and has had more than 2 articles written about it. DJC fits those requirements. And again, there are a TON of pages for businesses just like DJC that have not even a fraction of the information and references I've provided here. Please take a look at the new first paragraph I put together and then, if you'll undelete the DJC page, I can continue to add information and references. Dingstersdie (talk) 15:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

DoubleJay Creative is a visual media production company founded by Larsen Jay in 2005. DJC specializes in television specials, commercials, documentary, educational & corporate films supported by a dynamic web and graphic design department. DoubleJay Creative draws on comprehensive production facilities, an international creative staff and the latest technologies to meet clients' visual needs. Larsen’s first film, Pinmonkeys, was the first film ever to be entirely shot and edited digitally. Larsen's wife Adrian Jay joined the company in 2006, beginning in production but now heading up the development team. DJC has a satellite office in L.A.

One major project that DJC completed was "Bijou Theatre: The Gem of the South," which was funded in part by the city. Knoxville's historic [Bijou Theatre] re-opened after extensive renovations in June 2006. DoubleJay Creative partnered with [AC Entertainment] to produce the celebration that included the production of a documentary retracing the history of this local landmark. The film premiered before a live audience and was simulcast on the local NBC affiliate, WBIR TV10. It won a Silver Telly Award, the award organization's highest honor, and was honored with a nomination for a regional Emmy Award from the National Academy of Television Arts & Sciences.

Naming conventions

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ships)#Military ships describes the convention for the names of warships. Under this convention, this ship article should be named Spanish ship Nuestra Señora de la Santísima Trinidad (1769)--Toddy1 (talk) 19:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

My profound apologies to all concerned --Orange Mike | Talk 19:42, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I too have fallen foul of the conventions. Please can you change the name back to the convention.--Toddy1 (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

LEO LT

Congratulation. It was probably the fastest deletion ever in the Wikipedia history. I don't think that speedy deletion should be so speedy. Please don't be so trigger-happy and give a time to prove significance after putting speedy deletion tag. LEO LT is actually is quite significant as it is related to the construction to the new Ignalina Nuclear Power Plant - significant at least in the EU level. Thank you for you cooperation. Beagel (talk) 20:00, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Web notability

I appreciate where you're coming from - you are trying to maintain a high standard of article on Wikipedia, ensuring the topics are of sufficient notability. However, you are based in the US. Have you noticed that Netflix has an article? Moviestar.ie is Ireland's Netflix.

On your point about the "local" awards, most web awards are local to some extent or another, for example, very few non-English language websites are ever awarded by supposedly global awards. And aside from that, the Wikipedia web notability criteria do not mention that the award must be global. The Golden Spider Awards are well known in Ireland and the rest of Europe. If the awards were US based would you take the same view?

So please reinstate the article. 1-555-confide (talk) 22:05, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD

I have started an AfD here your input would be welcome.BigDunc (talk) 22:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

DrugScope

You tagged this for speedy but it has 21 google news hits, http://news.google.co.uk/news?hl=en&q=drugscope&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn and 56,200 raw google hits! (couldn't really flick through all of them to see how many were unique as it would take too long.) Anyway I just thought I would explain to you why I removed it, as I don't like rv-ing other editors. Special Random (Merkinsmum) 00:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I wish somebody would add some of that Googly goodness to the article, which is deucedly sparse on details and cites, and heavy on inappropriate in-article external links. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

(bit of edit conflict) -I was saying ::Not that I've ever heard of them lol, I just googled, the original creators can fix the article :) but I suppose I'll find one or two:) Special Random (Merkinsmum) 00:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael L. Vincent

I think we've crossed our wires somehow on this AfD. You appeared to respond to me here: * Delete per Orangemike and the fact that my search didn't turn up anything else either. Please also note that Greg Potts has a vested interest in this article's continued existence TRAVELLINGCARIMy storyTell me yours 00:14, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

• • comment - how so? I've been assuming good faith all along on this. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:37, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

When I was agreeing with your deletion rationale and saying the creator had a COI, which you seemed to agree with below. Where did our wires cross? TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 01:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Rotaract

I removed this from CAT:SPEEDY. There are literally hundreds of chapters in colleges around the world, and they have many notable accomplishments. Send the subject to WP:AFD if you feel strongly about it. Bearian (talk) 01:34, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I'll fix that problem of WP:RS if at all possible. Bearian (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

My goal is to get rid of the cruft, and to fix the crap. Bearian (talk) 17:00, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

37 times, huh?

Wow you're popular! I think when I reverted I got all the busted formatting because I reverted back to your own version, should be clean TRAVELLINGCARI^{My story}_{Tell me yours} 14:59, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of Shoebacca

I understand your position; however, if you are going to delete the SHOEBACCA.com page, then please remove Zappos page as well. If you feel the Zappos page is worthy of remaining then please let me know when I can reinstate the Shoebacca page, as these are similar companies. Thanks, D IceburgTX (talk) 15:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

K Thanks, Mike, thanks for clarifying. I will follow a similar set up and address the issues you stated so it follows a better format. Like I said, this was my virgin page. Face down in the snow, no lube. Go Pack. IceburgTX (talk) 16:01, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

• • Thanks for the insight guys. Please note that notability on Wikipedia does not mean that a company is not credible, for those who read this stuff. We are as just as credible as Zappos, which seems to be notable enough to merit a listing here, and I guarantee you will find more information and accuracy regarding the product at the SHOEBACCA.com site. Maybe after we have been around long enough to have enough press to merit a Wikipedia entry, you'll think better of us. IceburgTX (talk) 16:22, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Tin Whistle Man

Saw that you had speedily deleted that article. No issue with that - looked like it might be an attack page also - but the article also had a pending AfD at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tin Whistle Man. If only for housekeeping purposes, it helps if the one who deletes it also closes the AfD. I went ahead and did so. Verbum sapienti satis. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:58, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for comment

Please review Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loren Chasse and comment, if you care to. Thanks! - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:04, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

user page

;-) - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 16:26, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Makeoutclub

Thanks for alerting me to the situation with this article. I wish I knew what would be the best thing to do. The article has changed a lot since last I looked at it, and I'm no longer sure if my previous comments even apply. What I'm wondering is, do you think it would be sensible to remove the prod tag and just take this directly to AfD? That would, I trust, solve the problem -- if not once and for all, at least until Deletion review. According to my cursory review of the page's history and the edit summaries, there's an individual who finds the idea that this article is here offensive, so I doubt that merely removing the prod tag would be of any long-term use. I haven't traced all the references, so I'd probably want to do that, but I'm thinking AfD might be the answer. Again, thanks for bringing this to my attention, I do appreciate it; now I have to muster an open mind and the willingness to search the background <grin>. Accounting4Taste:talk 21:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Unreleased Albums

I noticed you recently voted in AFD concerning an unreleased album. I invite you take part in the conversation here Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(music)#Unreleased_albums any input you have would be appreciated. Ridernyc (talk) 09:24, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Vimala Devi

I'm currently having an exchange of e-mails with the author is question. It will probably take a while for me to get all the information I need to write up the article. Just out of interest, is there any way of citing personal correspondence on Wikipedia? Paul Castro (talk) 14:47, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Yahoo! Fantasy Sports

Proposed for deletion. User is being difficult. Take a look at the page when you have a moment. It is nothing more than a list with redundant facts and links. -UWMSports (talk) 18:27, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Good call on the username block for the other contributor in this case. That name is inappropriate. Cheers! Royalbroil 20:34, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't like UWMSports' name either because it sounds too promotional for UWM. Royalbroil 20:36, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

The other contributor has requested an unblock so that he can change his name. I have left a message for UWMSports' strongly suggesting that he voluntarily change his name before he gets a username block for being promotional. Royalbroil 20:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

UWM is a college sports program. ESPN is a billion dollar corporation. By that logic, OrangeMike should change his name for those who think he is promoting Syracuse athletics. Also, can someone monitor SportsMaster's revertions. He has had a heavy pattern of reverting edits, including suggestful comments on his talk page. -UWMSports (talk) 20:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

FYI,SportsMasterESPN still editing under current username. -SlipperyPete411 (talk) 17:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Arbor

Hi Orange Mike, I would like to talk about your speedy deletion of an article on Arbor Snowboards, and wonder why you initiated this action. This site was not disimilar to many other snowboard and skateboard manufacturer sites, and included historical data. zachandrich (talk) 15:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

If you had contacted me to let me know that this company needed coverage in a third party publication, in order to fit the notability standards. I will repost with one of the many articles which can be found by performing a simple google search attached. I might suggest you calm your desire to instantly delete in the future.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/11/arbor_snowboard_1.phphttp://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/11/arbor_snowboard_1.php

zachandrich (talk) 16:35, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of Guerilla Marketing Talk Radio

OrangeMike can u help me or give me a contact that will help write my article or tweak it up with some exampl of how to make it work im spinning wheels PLEASE! Henslee57 (talk) 00:02, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

reply: owned

i'm not proposing to own any article. but, hey, yep, why is the own tag there, then, any way=?

secondly, where should people then get information of ongoing soft developments, which have not been publicly confirmed? take eg maka maka?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pudist (talk • contribs) 15:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Asad Abidi

You've just speedily deleted the above article saying "doesn't indicate importance". However, the article did. It mentioned that he was a Fellow of the IEEE an award which complies with WP:PROF notability criteria at point #2. --JD554 (talk) 15:28, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I just wanted to make you aware of the discussion here. I tend to agree that there was a borderline assertion of notability in the article, although I also don't really know anything about the IEEE. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 15:29, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Please note that I have reverted this deletion, per JD554's cogent argument. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion of eu.bac article

I insert objection against the deletion of the eu.bac article. eu.bac is a non-profit organization. It can not be advertisement to inform about their tasks and goals. Tem18 —Preceding comment was added at 15:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

You've Got To

Post some video on YouTube or something of your appearance on Win Ben Stein's Money! -UWMSports (talk) 18:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

1) it's a half-hour show; 2) I don't violate copyrights. I've got a CD-ROM of it around the house somewhere, I think. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

That's true, the ZZ Top thing in your bio had me going. Thanks anyway Big Orange. -UWMSports (talk) 18:40, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I'd love to see it sometime too. I've always loved watching that show, and I bet I saw your episode. I'd also love to meet you sometime if I go down to Milwaukee. You seem very interesting and we have some ideology in Common. Royalbroil 18:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

A wiki lunch someday would be fantastic. I live in Port Washington (home of Step by Step (TV series)). Us Wisconsinites gotta stick together! -UWMSports (talk) 18:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Who is buying? HAHAHAHA! -SlipperyPete411 (talk) 01:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

reply: owned2

yet, what is the own tag inteded for?

just curious —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pudist (talk • contribs) 19:25, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

North American Union

Any good-faith effort to improve the encyclopedia, even if misguided or ill-considered, is not vandalism. Even harmful edits that are not explicitly made in bad faith are not considered vandalism. For example, adding a personal opinion to an article once is not vandalism — it's just not helpful, and should be removed or restated. Not all vandalism is obvious, nor are all massive or controversial changes vandalism; careful attention needs to be given to whether changes made are beneficial, detrimental but well intended, or outright vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pensil (talk • contribs) 21:46, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Username problem

Orangemike, my apologies for the problem created with my former username. The problem is corrected now, I thought I would inform you of that. --Josh (talk) 00:32, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of "simpson grierson"

A tag has been placed on "simpson grierson", requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read our the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Mr Senseless (talk) 00:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Asia's Space Race

Man, hang on! I am still editing the article. I will take off the tag for while. Cheers.--Mhsb (talk) 01:10, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

George Eyston

Chill out! If you're so keen to rename brand-new articles, at least have the grace to wait until the author has stopped typing. Also it's not good practice to rename articles so that you then break existing redirects. If you're so keen to write the thing, maybe you'd like to write the whole article? Andy Dingley (talk) 01:24, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Swamigrl

What did this user do to get blocked? Basketball110 _{what famous people say} 03:35, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. Did she repeat in the creation of this article? Basketball110 _{what famous people say} 03:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... well at least she didn't explode in my face like others. Basketball110 _{what famous people say} 04:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The Medic Droid

Hey, really quick, I think we might consider giving this article a chance. A quick Google search gives back 105,000 hits, so there seems to be some initial notability. Also note that the AfD that I linked to on the talk page was closed as Delete with no prejudice for recreation. GlassCobra 14:57, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I agree. In addition, WP:MUSIC states that if any of the criteria for notablilty are met, the article may be kept. The band meets more than one of the criteria, and therefor should be given a chance. ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 15:07, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The reason it was tagged as almost empty was because I had just started the article. Within 10 minutes of creation, it was deleted. I was researching the band, and was trying to expand it before it was deleted, but to no avail. ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 15:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

See here ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 15:14, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, I'm sorry that I've never created a page before. I wasn't aware of a specific order. But all this is not my fault. I'm relatively new, and I tried to create a page. I can't get anywhere if it's deleted within 10 minutes of creation. It's as simple as that. ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 15:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Trust me, I'm aware of that. And I know he's trying to help. Google them. They're not gonna be "big someday", they're big today. as Cobra said, over 105,000 hits on google. How is that unnotable? ElisaEXPLOSiONtalk. 15:31, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Kindred Spirit Hybrid Oak

This morning some vanalism started to occur on the Kindred Spirit Hybrid Oak Page. The items listed from the IP address of 72.75.64.21 are vandalism and I erased them because I am unaware of how to label them "vandalism" the other issues from Screener13 were addressed by others. The reason this page was created is because I have been getting questions regarding the nomenclature and parantage of this this hybrid oak tree... I thought this page would make things clear to folks and am in no way trying to jeopardize the integrity of Wikipedia. How can I post this info within your parameters... and how do I label thing "vandalism"??? Please help and lets be pesamistic together...Thank You --Joshnadler (talk) 15:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you regarding your thoughts on vandalism... What needs to be done for you to remove the posted "notability" sign???--Joshnadler (talk) 16:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I put a link to the United States Plant Patent Office on this page. This is looked at as a more creditable source than any of the options that you mentioned on my talk page. Not trying to get personal but if you, Orangemike, had been around the application process of a patent and worked with the patent evaluators to prove the worth of the plant selection, you would warrant the placement of page on Wikipedia. Every aspect of the patent is backed by science. All of the options you listed on my page are subject to personal and popular opinion. Please feel free to contact me regarding this issue.--Joshnadler (talk) 03:39, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

The Midnight Riders article

I suggest you take another look at the article, what's already on there makes it non-CSDable (there are references to notability in RS like the Boston Globe).. I've stubbified it (admittedly, some of it is crufty), but there is no basis to CSD it now. I'm working with some of the Riders to provide further references from local papers, etcetera. SirFozzie (talk) 15:49, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I was a member of the supporter's group previously, yes. And I'm aware of the COI thorns on the rose (Trust me, if you saw the areas I've tried to mediate on, I may be one of the most aware folks on WP when it comes to CoI). That is why I re-holdon it instead of removing yet another CSD tag (the first one, I was justified on, as the recreate one specifically says material deleted as a result of an AfD) I just think that the references provided definitely make it a non-speedy delete. SirFozzie (talk) 15:55, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Ian Jobling

RE: here. You know you can't call someone a racist, man. Try and keep the personal attacks to a minimum. Thanks. --UsaSatsui (talk) 15:53, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Staine (band)

The hoax article Staine is now back as Staine (band). Tb (talk) 20:17, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

The editor who created it also made a personal attack against User:Slakr. How does that go about getting addressed? Tb (talk) 20:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Kindred Spirit

Have you read the last thing I wrote exculsively for you, Orangemike, it is posted in three loctations... do you have a responce or do you prefere to stay behind the smoke and mirrors.--Joshnadler (talk) 01:45, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, I was working a 15.75-hour double shift for my wife so our little girl could compete at a feis; visiting a friend; going to dance practice; having lunch with my family - in short, having a life outside of Wikipedia. Please refrain from such remarks, Josh. --Orange Mike | Talk 00:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Pia Di Ciaula

I have contested your request for speedy deletion. If you still feel that the article subject is fatally non-notable, I urge you to instead nominate the article at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. --M@rēino 14:52, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Mike, I have declined to delete this and removed t he speedy tag, as I also have from Vincent Klyn. I do not know whether either of these people are actually notable.I do know that saying someone is an actor or a film editor in many films is an unmistakable clear assertion at least of some possible good-faith importance. if the editor role was not significant, or if the parts were all bit parts, then the people might not pass WP:N, but that has to be tested at AfD. Speedy does not apply if you think the importance was insufficient, as long as there is some importance asserted. There have been recent calls for the elimination of category A7 altogether, ad it is taggings like this which encourage such requests. I think we need A7, and therefore should use it carefully and properly, and urge you to be more careful here to follow the text of WP:CSD, which expresses WP:Deletion policy. DGG (talk) 15:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

similarly ". She represented Nigeria in Miss World" as for Matilda Kerry is an assertion of what can reasonably be thought notability. I'm not sure what I would vote on it at AfD,but it needs to go there if you want to delete it. DGG (talk) 15:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Spellbound

Hey. I realise that the article is probably on the verges of notability, but would you mind elaborating on your PROD? Article creation is definately not my forté, so any help is much apreciated. I actually recreated the article on the request of another, but I do think that the company is notable enough to have a page. However, as I've said, I'm not so hot on creation, so I'll defer to you on the matter.--NeoNerd 16:08, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, that certainly cleared that up! I wasn't insinuating that you were anti-game, by the way. Anyway, I will defer to you on this one, since my knowledge of notability is patchy at best. Thanks for the polite reply! --NeoNerd 16:25, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Andy Miller (record producer)

In my judgement, there's enough of an assertion of notability in the article (i.e. the claims of work as a producer for several notable bands) that it's not speedyable. You may want to take it to PROD/AFD instead. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

• Also, it's generally good form to notify the page creator of a CSD nom (even though a bot got it in this case). -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:37, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Astute Solutions

Why don't you just delete it? :) Rudget. 19:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Remote Area Medical

You really need to keep it in your pants when it comes to speedy-deleting articles, Mike. This isn't the first time you've jumped the gun on me and wasted a perfectly legitimate article. In the case of Remote Area Medical, 60 Minutes did a 20 minute segment on them last night. In the real world we call that notable. Self-righteous and over-zealous deletionists are the scourge of Wikipedia. Can't you focus your energy on something less destructive? --AStanhope (talk) 21:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for capitalizing the title of the page I just created. I was trying to figure out how you did it--could you show me? Iamblessed (talk) 21:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Restoring prod tags

Hi Orangemike. I'm letting you know that if an editor removes a {{prod}} tag from an article, it cannot be added to the article again. WP:PROD says articles that have previously been proposed for deletion are not candidates for prod. WP:PROD also says "If anyone, including the article's creator, removes Template:Prod from an article for any reason, do not put it back" and "If the edit is not obviously vandalism, do not restore tag, even if the tag was apparently removed in bad faith. If you still believe the article needs to be deleted, list it on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion." Thanks. --Pixelface (talk) 09:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Xero

Notability must be proved through references, and the page completly lacks them. The template itself stated that clearly. Million_Moments (talk) 10:08, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Mcmlxxviii (talk · contribs)

If the user continues to be unhelpful in deleting his talk page (presumably because he just doesn't like it), can he be temporarily blocked from editing it? Conversely, if he becomes helpful, I'd like to see this blanked or archived. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, our rules clearly allow an editor to blank their own talk page at any time; the presumption is that by blanking the warnings, etc., they have acknowledged having read them. --Orange Mike | Talk 17:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

How long is his block? Your message never did say how long... - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:37, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Reclamation Process

I've declined your speedy on this - the album is by a notable band. Thanks! _GB^T/C 20:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The wording of the album may leave a lot to be desired, but as its an album by a notable band, it merits inclusion. Re-writed the darned introduction, or just delete the introduction, if you disagree with it! _GB^T/C 20:53, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Deletion of "Shaiya" for Blatant Advertising -- WHY?

What is up with this Article? First, it gets a tag for Speedy deletion, for "(A7 (web): Web content; doesn't indicate importance/significance)," so, I put a hangon tab, and defended it's importance on the talk page, but it and the talk page got deleted before I was given any reply. Now, I reposted it, and used an introductory statement to signify it's importance: "A person in search of a Free MMORPG may wish to consider playing Shaiya, which is a relatively new Free MMORPG and is Free to Play." and now it is deleted for Blatant Advertizing. How am I to indicate it's importance without it seeming like advertizement?

Also, this second time, I had put a "underconstruction" tab on it, so as to let you all know it's in development. Supposedly, articles with such a tab are to be left for at least a few days, yet it was deleted almost immediately.

I know the article wasn't perfect, and didn't satisfy all the requirments, but I'm sure it could be edited by others such that it does. How can others edit it, if you delete it before they even have the chance to see it?

Also, take a look at the articles under: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games How is/was the article "Shaiya" any different than those?

Please Restore the article "Shaiya," and if necessary, edit it such that it meets the requirements. Or... at the very least, reduce it to a "stub." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolasjager (talk • contribs)

== Deletion of "Shaiya" for Blatant Advertising -- WHY? (2)==

Lack of Content--Yes, they may have been lacking in content, but I am not "all-knowing" and thus, there is no way (even with further research) that I would be able to cover all content neccessary. For this reason, I had decided to "start" the article, and have an "underconstruction" tab on it, such that other people could contribute to its construction and add more "content."

Lack of Notability--I'm not the best at signifying the importance of something, and apparantly when I tried to it was considered to be "blatant advertising." I don't know how to signify the importance of something without seeming to advertise such a thing. I would welcome any suggestions on how I could achieve this. Also, like the content issue, I was hoping that by having the "underconstruction" tab, it would be safe from deletion long enough such that other users could contribute and make mention of it's notability. I'm still waiting for a response as to how "Shaiya's" importance is any less than the other articles on games listed here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games or if you don't want to look though all those articles and insist on a specific article to compare it to I guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monato_Esprit would do. As for other people, other people, impartial third-party reliable sources making note of Shaiya, I had an external link showing a review of it: * http://forum.mmosite.com/topics/175/200712/18/173,1.html from mmosite.com. I'm sure, given time for others to edit and develop it, more external sites would be added. My use of "New" did not in any way say that there was no external review about Shaiya, it merily meant it was not that long ago since the game's creation.

I'm not sure I understand, Please restate: "If you feel there articles about non-notable topics here, thank you for noticing: nominate them as non-notable" with more easily understandable wording/phrasing. I've read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTHERCRAPEXISTS but don't see how it relates; further explanation would be nice.

I recieved the following on my talk page:

== Drafts in userspace ==

Creating a new article is probably the most difficult and frustrating task a new editor can take on at wikipedia, so my main advice is to try and improve existing articles first to get an idea of the process.

However, if you want to be given more leeway in your article's early stages, you may wish to try creating the article at User:Nicolasjager/Shaiya and then ask for opinions as to whether it is ready to be published in wikipedia as an article (even as a stub).

You may want to consider joining the wikiprojects Video games and Massively multiplayer online games. They have guidelines about new articles, and are a community devoted to creating and improving the video game and MMORPG articles on wikipedia. JackSchmidt (talk) 21:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

I've already edited articles, and there was no article on "shaiya," and other's have been searching for an article on "shaiya" but didn't find one, and were to lazy (or didn't have time to) create one, as such I decided to start one.

If I post the article at User:Nicolasjager/Shaiya am I guaranteed that it won't be deleted by an admin from there?

Supposing I do post it at User:Nicolasjager/Shaiya, how am I to get people to find it such that they will help in the editing of it? Will it show up if users make a search query of "Shaiya" at Wikipedia.org? And, assuming when posted on User:Nicolasjager/Shaiya, it does get developed and when reviewed, is deemed ready to be published on wikipedia, how do I go about publishing it without it being deleted again? Must I post some tab which contains a link about it's discustion and in which people said it was ready to be published?

How do I join wikiprojects Video games and Massively multiplayer online games?

Thanks for your first response, and I await a response to this follow up message.

== Deletion of "Shaiya" for Blatant Advertising -- WHY? (3)==

Perhaps you're not understanding here, I'm not saying those articles are about non-notable websites, or advertisement. I'm saying they're fine, and are a part of many lists of online games. I noticed some lists of online games were missing the game "Shaiya," so I decided to make an article for it and add it to the lists. Gamers frequently visit those lists in search of games they could play. Why should a game not be included because it's inclution would encourage people to play? Don't people visit lists of games for that very purpose? To read about them, and if they like what they read, play them? I know I do... So, I suppose you'd say even though it has 1,840,000 hits on Google "Shaiya" is not significant? Is there bias in game review sites such as mmosite.com and that's why it's not an appropriate third party source? I don't think Shaiya's developers pay mmosite.com to write a good review for their game. mmosite.com specializes in writting reviews for games; wouldn't a good review imply shaiya is at least somewhat significant? If it were not significant, they would probably rather avoid the work and not even write a review for it, or if they did write a review for it, it would be a negative review stating how/why it's not a good/notewothy game. So, if game review sites are not reliable, third party sources, how/why aren't they? And, if game review sites are not reliable, third party sources, what type of sources would you consider reliable, third party sources?

I checked the sandbox: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sandbox and it states the sandbox will be automatically cleaned every 12 hours. Why write the article there, only to have it automatically deleted within 12 hours? Or is that not the sandbox you were talking about? Is this "sandbox" you're talking about the same as I mentioned before: User:Nicolasjager/Shaiya? How do I know that one won't also be automatically deleted every 12 hours? Could you give me the URL to the sandbox/place you're saying I should post my article? Also, you still haven't answered my question: If I post it where you're saying, will people be able to see it if they perform a search on Wikipedia: with search query "Shaiya" such as: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=shaiya ? If not, how will people (other than the people I speak/write to) be able to find, and contribute to the article?

Just to let you know that both CaptainVindaloo and I have offered to help this user out with improving the article. Please give me a shout if anything else crops up. Many thanks! Gazimoff (talk) 00:11, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:User:Ciotech has a new sockpuppet

Hehe. I was just thinking that myself. --Onorem♠Dil 14:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

But it Does add something to it.... G. Edward Griffin

But it Does add something to it.... G. Edward Griffin

(LakeOswego (talk) 00:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC))

Thank you for your explination

can you add this link back Please

• Freedom Force International

(LakeOswego (talk) 00:31, 6 March 2008 (UTC))

Edward Griffin

Hi Mike, and thanks for your constancy in level-headedness. Noticed your AFD comment: "crummy citations to blogs and forums ... the presence of so many non-reliable sources". So that I understand your perspective, I listed the sources that need special care out of currently 26. I count 3 self-pubs, 2 New American (for backup only), and 1 Marquis Who's Who, all used within WP:SELFPUB limits; 1 Slashdot review, notable because linked on its homepage; and 1 USA Daily (for backup only). That leaves 18 reliable sources, a couple of which might be trivial. Also, Free deleted 3 reliable sources, 2 of which might be trivial. Well, I can see there may be no need to retain the USA Daily cite. But do you really think this amounts to "crummy citations to blogs and forums" and "so many non-reliable sources"? Thanks. John J. Bulten (talk) 18:03, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

gorilla talk

i dont know why im being singled out but i have supplied u with notability and plenty of outside refs whats the problem and now i cant even edit it if i wanted to Henslee57 (talk) 02:28, 6 March 2008 (UTC) i have used similar entries as my template i have everything they have why do i get deleted Henslee57 (talk) 02:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

You have provided no reliable sources, you have provided no evidence of notability, you have not removed any of the promotional/self-aggrandizing content of the article. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:34, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

how can i edit since u locked me outHenslee57 (talk) 02:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

could u call my boss? Robert Henslee <redacted> IWant to do this right —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henslee57 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

? I haven't locked you out of anything. It appears User:East718 deleted the sandbox as a recreation of deleted spam; you may need to talk to him/her. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

would u pls call me i have something u may be interested in Henslee57 (talk) 03:07, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Certainly not. There is no communication you could make to me that could not be done either on these talk pages or by sending me an e-mail. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Calling Orange Mike

If u look at my talk page im being told u r the one who protected my page what can i do to edit my article BEFORE its deleted Henslee57 (talk) 03:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Ive read some of my talk page responses from u and noticed one i had not seen before i missed it for some reason i have some major edits could u pls let me try to fix it ill have u look first before final entry so i dont have to aggrivate u any further PLEASE let me try to make this work??Henslee57 (talk) 04:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

The sandbox page is now only protected against anonymous and new accounts. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Page Protection

Just of note, a few editors (myself included) had been working with Henslee to try and bring this article up to snuff. At this point, I think it's a failed project (can't find any reliable sources at all). That, combined with Henslee's COI would lean towards the article being deleted.

For some reason though, the page was protected instead. I'm confused why that was done instead of deleting it outright? -- Kesh (talk) 04:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I've been leaving it to the judgment of other admins as to whether the sandbox version should be deleted. Stacey keeps insisting they have legit edits, so I've removed it from full protection. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:04, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Protection

Just dropping in to let you know that you can protect non-existent pages now. east.718 at 05:02, March 6, 2008

hahalol ur so funny —Preceding unsigned comment added by Henslee57 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Gamebook linkspamming

Hi, I just got your message about linkspamming, are you confusing me with the guy that keeps restoring the link to that forum? I removed that link twice myself. I've been restoring the link to gamebooks.org because it was there before and it seems pretty much accepted that it's the best info resource for gamebook online - it features as either an external link or reference on most gamebook related articles. EvilRedEye (talk) 15:39, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I'm afraid I totally fail to see your point, can you please explain what you mean by advertisement in more detail? EvilRedEye (talk) 15:44, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

If you want to get another opinion I'm happy with that but it seems to me to be a totally open-and-shut case. Without exception those are all historical adverts from the '80s. All the external links policy says on the subject of advertising under 'links to be avoided' is: "Links to sites with objectionable amounts of advertising." Do you really think historical adverts about gamebooks (that are mostly out of print) on a information site about gamebooks is an 'objectionable amount of advertising'? There's a reason that site is the first Google result for 'gamebooks', it's by far the best resource on gamebooks on the Internet. It seems silly to remove it for such a trivial reason. EvilRedEye (talk) 15:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Will do. :) EvilRedEye (talk) 16:00, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

joel stoner deletion

Orangemike, after glancing over your user talk page I am throughly disgusted that you would have the audacity to delete the wiki page for Joel Stoner! You, of all people, should see the importance in the creation of his page. Stoner, one the top candidates for the libertarian party, is no joke. Check his bio out for yourself at the official website of the Libertarian party. Link Long live small party politics in America! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jstonerfan (talk • contribs) 23:45, 6 March 2008 (UTC) — Jstonerfan (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Apology

I apologize if my edit summary on Gilmorton [3] sounded harsh; it was not intended to be so, but looking back at it, it might be construed in such a tone. Yngvarr (c) 15:33, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Re Vandals can't spell

Yeah it took me a while to get it... -- Roleplayer (talk) 16:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

PS that is quite easily the most orange I have seen on one guy yet, and it matches too! Good on you for picking such a fantastic colour! -- Roleplayer (talk) 16:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Me to Ben Stein on his show: "Quiet good taste is the key. Once I learned to avoid that, I could find a look that worked for me." Of course, for Mar. 17, I even have green underwear! --Orange Mike | Talk 16:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC) (Pat's brither, and a 32-county patriot)

Please don't delete Industrial Scientific corporation

I am the developer for Industrial Scientific, we own the copyright, this is my first post, how do I keep this from being deleted —Preceding unsigned comment added by MatthewCourt (talk • contribs) 16:32, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

link to Othar's Twitter on the Girl Genius page

Hi there! I noticed that you cleaned up the linkspam on Girl Genius, which I'm completely in favor of; have a question though on the link to Othar Tryggvassen's Twitter. I thought your deletion might have been accidental since it's maintained by the Foglios, but wasn't sure that there wasn't good reason on your part to delete it, so I thought I'd ask you about it. ^_^ Rachel Summers (talk) 18:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey OrangeMike

From my persective it seems your tone is rather condescending. Why dont u help a girl out and send me a rewrite example from my article. Might actually save yourself alot of time, unless of course your enjoying this?? Henslee57 (talk) 20:39, 7 March 2008 (UTC)