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August 12

Getting Started

Hi,

My name is Adi and I live in Toronto. I would like to join you as a user and am very interested in your internet and data scope.

I tried to Log In using my actual name but your sytem would not allow it. I have no idea how to get into your site. Unfortunately if I do have a user name and password with you, I do not know what they may be and I thank you for assiting me in this matter.

Sincerely,

Adi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.91.196 (talk) 00:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the encyclopedia Wikipedia. You have to create an account at Special:UserLogin/signup before you can log in. You can choose a username and password there. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, as you may have discovered, you can freely edit wikipedia without an account or logon. There are a couple of things you cannot do, and I highly encourage you to create a personal account, but it is not required. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

My Kelly Kelly Page was deleted

My name is GameBoy789 why was my kelly kelly page deleted I spent hours doing it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GameBoy789 (talk • contribs) 00:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you mean Kelly Kelly? It hasn't been deleted. Nanonic (talk) 00:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not your page. Deleting a page and reverting edits to a page are different things. Your edits to Kelly Kelly were reverted by other editors. Click the history tab to see the page history [1] where some of them used edit summaries. You can discuss the content of the page and make suggestions on its talk page at Talk:Kelly Kelly. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

As PrimeHunter says, its not your page. There have been almost 3000 edits on the page since it was created 3 May 2006. You made 18 edits yesterday and today. Looking at your edits, they were all reverted as all the content you removed should not have been removed, and all the content that you added was unsourced. While all contributions are welcomed, if an edit removes information which has been found to be reliable and/or adds unverified information, then this will be reverted to the previous version. If the information you wish to add can be verified, with reliable citations from independent sources, then add the information with the relevant citations. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I need an Admin

How can I get in touch with an admin urgently? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.90.226.246 (talk) 01:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It depends on the nature of your problem. Your best bet is Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard. Xenon54 (talk) 01:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you still in need of assistance? I do not see a post over at the noticeboard, nor does it appear that you've made any other edits except to this page. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

IP Address

I edited an article before creating an account and it logged my entry as my IP address. I've since created an account and would like my IP address removed from the history. How do I do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by U2 fan 35 (talk • contribs) 01:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, it used to be possible but isn't anymore. Xenon54 (talk) 01:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I actually believe there is a way, but you need to have a very good reason for it. Anyways, since you didn't edit your own pages with the IP address, it is very difficult to tie your IP address to your username. Tiggerjay (talk) 04:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are worried about your privacy, you can request a user with oversight to remove it (See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight). However, if you want to re-attribute the edit from your IP to your account, this can't be done. As Xenon54 said, it used to be possible but not anymore. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 05:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

As long as you don't go back and update signatures on talk pages, there is no way for anyone but a checkuser to tie your IP to your account. See WP:LOGGEDOUT. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Others may still be able to guess a likely connection between your IP and account by comparing edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Can't find project page

Resolved

The other day I stumbled a project page that included a list of issues (disputes, RfC, policy decisions, etc.) that were currently open. Now I can't find it. I remember the Rorschach test images issue was listed as well as a discussion about creating more arbitration committees. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Sorry, I can't be more specific. I should have bookmarked the page when I found it. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:02, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard? Hardtofindaname 03:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

No, but that page lead me to WP:VPR which is the page I was thinking of. Thank you very much for your help. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 03:24, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You may be thinking specifically of Template:Cent which is transcluded on WP:VPR and other pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hang on

Please advise specific instructions to add a "hang on" message to an "instant deletion" notice. While the message instructs the need to add such a comment, there are no details as to how to do it. Your help is appreciated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.242.117.12 (talk) 07:46, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It has instructions to add the hangon tag, and a user who has created a new page knows how to edit pages in general. But on the other hand, instructions are very rarely too detailed. Kotiwalo (talk) 07:50, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Simply add {{hangon}} below the speedy deletion notice on the page. TNXMan 11:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

And note you also have to give a reason on the article talk page. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Can I add a line saying our company has not reviewed this?

Hi,

MSCI Barra and its products and services are mentioned all over Wikipedia. And although we love Wikipedia and what it stands for, as a company we have chosen to use our resources for constantly improving our products rather than for reviewing things other people may write about us, even if copied from our publications. Is it ok to add a line to an article saying 'MSCI Barra has not reviewed this article'?

Kind regards, Nele Van der borght MSCI Barra Marketing Team —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.66.97.168 (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia is for encyclopedic text not review so the line would not look appropriate. If you see any concerns please mention them on the talk page of the article and people should jump in. I believe there are some instances where you are able to remove info if it is not sourced and included only to be blatantly malicious. Please see WP:COIC and the rest of the linked page for informaiton.

The article should also be based on reliable secondary sources (WP:RS) so some information may not meet branding guidelines.Cptnono (talk) 09:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

(after edit conflict) I think there are two separate issues here - Wikipedia is written collaboratively by its users, and no one user (or person) "owns" or "approves" content in articles. Therefore, you have no role in "reviewing" material written about your company (although we welcome contributions from you, as long as you keep in mind that Wikipedia is not meant for promotion of your company - please see Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations).

The second point concerns material copied from your publications - unless you have released your publications under a CC-BY-SA license (see Wikipedia:Copyrights), then that material should not be on Wikipedia if it's a verbatim copy. Could you point us to such material, so that we may review it for its suitability for inclusion in Wikipedia?

I hope this helps to answer your question. — QuantumEleven 09:35, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You are editing from an IP address belonging to your company and Special:Contributions/195.66.97.168 shows some problematic edits about the company. I don't know whether it was you or somebody else at the company but please see the above links and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Frankly, Wikipedia is well-known enough that anybody reading the article would realise it's not an official statement written or reviewed by your company. Reviews for accuracy are welcome, but don't worry about it if you don't have the resources. Dcoetzee 01:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Article I created MUST BE DELETED

I created an article, A New Chapter (Rogue Traders album). It must be deleted, because the Rogue's upcoming album is definately not going to be called 'A New Chapter'. It is creating a large problem, because it is untrue and inaccurate. PLEASE DELETE IT! Preceding unsigned comment left by The Rogue Leader (talk | contribs ) 09:59, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It is now deleted and was never a good article subject per WP:CRYSTAL.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 10:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Can I just point out to The Rogue Leader that this post dated Aug 3 2009, 01:15 PM from James Ash Trader (band member) states that the working title is ROGUE 4, so you could have just changed the title A New Chapter in the article, and then moved the article to Rogue 4, especially as the article has clearly shown that it was a future album (and details subject to change) and that this was a working title anyway. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:27, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, please be aware of the wikipedia policies as they relate to you creating/editing articles which you are directly involved in:

“ Avoid editing articles with which you may have a conflict of interest. You will need to carefully follow Wikipedia's guide to editing with a conflict of interest. ”

Tiggerjay (talk) 19:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

how do I send a page to a friend?

how do I send a page to a friend?Ronniesouthport (talk) 10:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Copy the URL of the Wikipedia page you wish to share and distribute this to your friend. — JamesR (talk) @ 10:23, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you want it to be a specific version of the page (i.e. without later edits), then in the toolbox on the left, click on Permanent link if it is available, and then send the URL for the resulting webpage, which will say something like: "This is the current revision of this page, as edited by Phantomsteve (talk | contribs) at 11:29, 12 August 2009. The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this version." or "This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Phantomsteve (talk | contribs) at 11:27, 12 August 2009. It may differ significantly from the current revision.". -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 10:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

best school

what country having a good quality standard of education? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.6.181.153 (talk) 11:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Try our reference desk, this is for editing questions only. Kotiwalo (talk) 11:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Delete account

I would like to delete my account. Is that possible? If not, can I at least change my username?

Thanks,

Donna Kishbaugh —Preceding unsigned comment added by Donnakishbaugh (talk • contribs) 12:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Accounts cannot be deleted but usernames can be changed. See Wikipedia:Right to vanish. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If you simply want a new username, and since you essentially have no edits - you could stop using your current username and create a new one; alternately you can request to have your name changes. See the implications over at Wikipedia:Changing username. Tiggerjay (talk) 14:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Change the name of a Wikipedia page

Resolved

Hi, I'm trying to change the name of the Everest Catholic High School page.

I need the page to say Everest Academy and High School. We have technically changed out name by taking the catholic out of it and this needs to be reflected in the title of our page.

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cniemiec (talk • contribs) 15:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I see you've already done it! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Title Editing

Resolved

How do I edit the title of a wikipedia article i have created? Spelling mistake basically.

Tenacious beck (talk) 17:11, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You rename an article by actually moving it. See WP:MOVE. hmwitht 17:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You can't yet, as your account isn't old enough and hasn't made enough edits. I've moved the page for you. Algebraist 17:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

In the future, you can use WP:Requested moves. However, you will soon be autoconfirmed, and you will be able to move pages on your own. hmwitht 18:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

substantiate notability

How do I submit material that verifies notability if the material is not available online. How may I submit scanned documents to you? thank you. Pregina (talk) 17:32, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see our policy on reliable sources. There is not requirement that a source be online. It can be any reliable newspaper, magazine, or other pubished reliable secondary source. -Arch dude (talk) 17:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I wish to emphasize the "published" part, though. If you've got a copy of somebody's birth certificate or something, that's not a published source and fails as a reliable source. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:04, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm not sure about the birth certificate issue since they are a matter of public record, at least in the US. Tiggerjay (talk) 19:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

A birth certificate, or any other unpublished primary source, can't be used to establish notability (which seems to be what the OP is asking about), as Orangemike said. Whether such a source can be used as a reference for a particular fact is slightly more problematic; but, in general, if the fact is contested and no secondary source for it can be found, I'd be inclined to reject the source. WP:V requires that sources be accessible for checking by other editors (or readers). Deor (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

"A matter of public record" is a very different thing from "published document". Remember the principle of verifiability comes into play. We are a tertiary or quaternary project, and do not use primary sources (as a rule). Without further information, we may not be able to help the querent further. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:42, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

pls help me with my password

Hi, I am not sure whether I provided an email address in my wiki account, with user name = jbehera. password i am not able to recollect now and I am not able to get it via email address because when I click on that button saying "Email new password", i get an error saying :

Login errorError sending mail: There is no e-mail address recorded for user "Jbehera"

I am fed up with this problem for months now. Please help me in gettin a new password via my email.

Thanks, Jitendra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.237.207 (talk) 18:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If there is no email address listed and you cannot remember your password, there is no way to get it back. Your best bet is to register a new account. Sorry about that.TNXMan 19:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi TNX, Is there any timeout period, after which the user id is deleted from the wiki database, because of inactivity?

Thanks, Jitendra. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.237.207 (talk) 19:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Accounts are never deleted, and since you didn't attach an email address with the account there is no way to recover it. The account just made three minor edits though; why not just create another one? --59.95.101.61 (talk) 19:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hi, You're right in suggesting that, but you know, I am kinda nostalgic to my old user name :-) which takes after my initials. I make minor changes only. Well, I will think about creating a new one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.237.207 (talk) 19:15, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Question about duplication of material

Does it violate any Wiki policy and/or guidelines to duplicate an entire section from one Wiki page, and add it verbatim (word-for-word) to another Wiki page. I ask this because a page was protected by an adminstrator (due to an edit war), and an editor took the entire duputed section and moved it to another page (verbatim) thus bypassing the ptotection and igniting another edit war. Are you aware of any specific Wiki guidelines that prevent this kind of behavior 72.165.90.110 (talk) 19:16, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You can copy text etc. to another page, but it should be attributed (ie. note in the edit summary that it is copied and where it is copied from). However, this sounds like a content or POV fork which is discouraged. If you mention the page(s) you're talking about, someone here might be able to give more specific advice. --☇Kateshortforbob _talk☄ 19:26, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

WP:SUMMARY might be slightly related. An article may summarize another article, but should not duplicate a section of it. However, in keeping with WP:PRESERVE, we should try to fix problems with material rather than delete it, and sometimes a new article may be appropriate for information that is inappropriate in another article, unless of course the material is unsuitable for Wikipedia in any article. Since you asked a vague question, we can only give vague answers. Wikipedia is so complicated that we must decide everything on a case-by-case basis, weighing many overlapping and sometimes conflicting rules simultaneously. If an editor wants to publish information which is unsuitable for Wikipedia anywhere, the editor should use an alternative outlet instead. --Teratornis (talk) 20:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It may be more appropriate to use either {{see|Article#section}} to link to another article's section, which gives:

Further information: Article § section

or {{main|Article}} to link to another article, which gives:

Main article: Article

This might be preferable to copying text from another article. With regards to the first option, it might be necessary to create a separate section in the article, if that's appropriate. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

renaming non-existing topics with existing ones

Hullo, I'm from Hindi wiki and facing an acute problem. We have several articles which sometimes refer to English term and sometimes Hindi term of the same thing. This has created unnecessary duplicates which we want to get rid of.

What specifically I want is to convert all references to English term to an equivalent Hindi term on hindi wikipedia. For example, I would like to change references to "Commonwealth Games" to equivalent Hindi "राष्ट्रमण्डल खेल" on Hindi wikipedia. There are 100s of such terms spread on Hindi Wiki (and 20-30s references for each term!) and it is not possible to make the changes manually. So we would like to do it automatically, with a click, given the English and Hindi term.

Please let me know what could be a possible way to solve the above problem. Also, what permissions I would need on Hindi Wiki (like being an "admin") to carry out these changes. Are their any existing tools on wikipedia to do this? Please guide me.

Thanks,

shaurabh bharti

Shaurabh Bharti 19:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

It sounds like you want to run a bot program. See the links under WP:EIW#Bot. I have no idea of the bot policy on the Hindi Wikipedia, and yes you will need an administrator over there to enable a bot program to run, unless you can find someone who already has an approved bot program which can do the search-and-replace edit you have in mind. Since the English Wikipedia is the largest Wikipedia, we have a lot more tools to automate repetitive edits than the smaller Wikimedia Foundations projects have. And when you say "it is not possible to make the changes manually" do you really mean "it would be tedious to make the changes manually"? Lots of things are possible and tedious. --Teratornis (talk) 20:37, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Lots of things are possible but tedious Sure, I do believe in that. Thanks for the help. :-) I guess I would need to work on a bot. But I would first check the bot list if it's already available :-) Shaurabh Bharti 21:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Reference question for my page for you

Hello quick question, if you look in the body of my page you will see the [7] next to the sentence that references my first match. What is the abbreviated code that I should put next to the first name under my profile photo in my profile box so that this name will also have a [7] next to it since it was used in that same match. I tried a bunch of times and have no idea how to get it right. If you could make the code that I can copy and paste next to it, I would be very greatful. I'm sure it will take you literally 5 seconds! Thanks Buddy!

Jaderocker (talk) 20:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by "your" page? The term usually means user page, but you don't have one. I looked at ----------, but I don't see what you are talking about there.SPhilbrickT 20:13, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If "my page" refers to the ---------- article, then "profile box" might refer to the {{Infobox Wrestler}} template in that article. To duplicate a footnote citation, see WP:FOOT#Naming a ref tag so it can be used more than once. --Teratornis (talk) 20:19, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

See Help:User page and WP:WIAA to learn about the distinction between "articles" and "user pages" on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

OK, my question is this my friend..........on the page ----------, look in the profile box. Next to the name ------------ there is a [1] How do I get that same [1] next to another sentence in the body of the article. What abbreviated code should be used for this reference? Tried several times and kept getting an [8] which was signifying a mistake making it look like it was separate reference when it is supposed to reference the same thing just another time. I looked at the help page but there is no way alone it can be done. If you type out a quick abbreviated code for this reference it would be very much appreciated.

Thank You Very Much,

Jaderocker (talk) 23:00, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I tried but someone is doing it even as we speak. When you click on edit, and look next to the first John Bagwell, you'll see <ref name="review" />. You copy that and put it

where you want.--SPhilbrickT 00:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, looks good. It has been fixed. Thank You Very Much for your time anyway buddy!

Jaderocker (talk) 00:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Just ------------ some key words out for privacy. Thanks Again!

Jaderocker (talk) 00:52, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Infoboxes and Images

Can someone help me with creating infoboxes, because every time I try to make one for one of my articles like my article on the Mercedes S63 AMG for example, it will only show like three or four things if that. I am also having trouble with images. Thanks!! --Bismarck43 (talk) 20:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You will need to be more specific about what sort of trouble you are having. Make a "user sandbox" page where you can experiment, for example by clicking here: User:Bismarck43/Sandbox. Put an infobox in your sandbox page as best you can, save it, and we can look at it and see what you are doing wrong. Often the simplest method is to inspect a reasonably well-formed article that is similar to what you want to create, for example Mercedes-Benz SLC-Class, and copy and edit the code you see there into your article. Use your sandbox page when you want to test any difficult edits. --Teratornis (talk) 20:44, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict)For the infobox, go to Template:Infobox Automobile, copy the unfilled template in the "Usage" section, and paste it at the top of the edit window for the article. Then fill in some or all of the fields (after the equals signs) with the appropriate information and save the edit. What sort of image problems are you having? Deor (talk) 20:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Special:Contributions/Bismarck43 does not show any image uploads to the English Wikipedia. It's better to upload images to Commons if they are freely licensed. If you merely want to display images that are already on Wikipedia or Commons, see Help:Images and Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. What images are you trying to display? For example, a number of images that might relate to what you are editing are here: Commons:Category:Mercedes-Benz vehicles by type. And see Mercedes-AMG. --Teratornis (talk) 20:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

See, in particular, Mercedes-Benz W221#Special variants. Mightn't you want to expand that section rather than create a new article? Note that we don't have separate articles for the other individual models of that vehicle. Deor (talk) 21:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Accidentally damaged a page somehow

Help! I just made this very minor edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paceco&oldid=307631118

which consisted of removing a single erroneous word from the article, and somehow the main picture on the page has vanished, although I didn't touch the box on the right.

Can someone please undo my screwup?

Many thanks

Steve L —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.157.133 (talk) 21:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Don't see the problem— File:Italy location map.svg shows properly in the infobox. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Registeration

I have downloaded your Google Pro - but - when I try to register, it will not allow this. What can I do to register? Jim Snelgrove <email removed to prevent spam> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.209.233.207 (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You need to contact Google for support on this. We can help if you have issues with editing Wikipedia. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 21:54, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our roughly three million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Non-breaking spaces

If a number is used with a measurement (such as "2 meters"), do you have to use a non-breaking space between them or is that just with unit abbreviations? Thanks. Totakeke423 (talk) 21:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure there's any "have" involved with this, but Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Non-breaking spaces does recommend placing non-breaking spaces between compound expressions... where displacement might be disruptive to the reader." The same incongruity in reading occurs between 2
m and 2
meters. So I think you better go fix it before you get sent to the Style Gulag.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Healthcare options

I am with a large OB/GYN practice and I was wondering if I could put up an article about the practice, not as an advertisement, just as a way to give info to people looking for an OB/GYN. It would include the history of the practice and current info like services, hospital affiliations, certifications, awards, doctors, locations, etc. I could even link articles relating to OB/GYN care and women's health in general. Would this be possible or is it still considered COI?

ThanksAzMomDocs (talk) 22:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

You say the article's purpose would not be to advertise, but to get your practice 'out there' in public knowledge. Isn't that the purpose of an advertisement? Anyway, I don't think articles on individual practices are notable enough - or even appropriate - for Wikipedia. Xenon54 (talk) 22:40, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Please see the Wikipedia policy on advertising on Wikipedia. While I salute you good intentions, it would be very difficult to separate marketing from informative. What comes to mind are the TV commercials for the HPV vaccination, Gardasil - its a commercial which is designed to sound like a public service announcement, but is really an advertisement. So your question would be, why can they have an article on Wikipedia, and the primary reason is because the product is notable, which your practice is probably not. But again, review advertising on Wikipedia - and perhaps it may be notable enough. Then checkout your first article. Otherwise, your efforts would be better spent trying to improve the existing Ob/Gyn article. Off the cuff, I think it would be great if you added a section within that article regarding the value of seeing an OB/GYN - perhaps backed up with notable and reliable sources. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Note that your username may violate WP:ORGNAME or WP:NOSHARE (due to the trailing 's' which makes it a plural; if your account gets blocked, you could make another account AzMomDoc which would imply one individual user). Please read all of WP:BFAQ for general guidelines about writing an article on Wikipedia about any business. You could write about your practice on Wikicompany, which wants to have an article about every legally incorporated business in the world. Wikipedia, on the other hand, only wants articles about "notable" businesses, which basically means businesses for which there are multiple published reliable sources which are independent of the business itself. Wikipedia is not so much a collection of facts, but a collection of edited excerpts from what others have already published. See WP:V for an explanation of why this is so. In any case, you can look around Wikipedia to see if we already have articles similar to the one you want to create, to get an idea of what sort of article you would need to write to make it defensible against our vigilant deletionists. We have a rather poor list: Group medical practice in the United States which at the moment doesn't seem to link to articles about any of the practices it lists, but could in some cases, for example Kaiser Permanente. A bit of looking finds these categories:

• Category:Medical and health organizations based in the United States
• Category:Health care companies of the United States

Look at some of the other articles about medical and health organizations, and look at their talk pages to see if any of them have been nominated for deletion. You can learn about problems to avoid by reading their deletion discussions. If you want to develop a new article, the safest method is to start with a "user sandbox" page by clicking here: User:AzMomDocs/Sandbox. Type what you have in mind, then ask here for people to look at it and see whether it will be suitable for Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 18:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You might want to join Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine. --Teratornis (talk) 18:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism

I found that a section of the Furman v. Georgia article had been plagiarised. What is the procedure for this? I posted a comment in that article's discussion but I do not think anyone will see that for a while. Is there a special tag I should use to mark it as plagiarised? (And, yes, I could rewrite it or simply remove the information, but I feel it is important information and I do not have the time to rewrite it...just enough time to post this question). 75.86.188.134 (talk) 22:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

If text was cpied into Wikipedia from a copyrighted source, then its a copyrigight violation in addition to plagiarism, and you should remove it. If the source is notunder copyright, then you can simply add a reference and attribute it: no need to re-word. If yo are unsure, add a note at suspected copyright violations -Arch dude (talk) 23:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

I just dealt with it. Sometimes when we get an external link with identical text it's taken from the Wikipedia article, so I used the Wikblame tool to find when the text was added and it was indeed not just that but a whole swath of text from the site verbatim (diff). In answer to part of your question, never mark copyvios and leave them in. Remove them instead with extreme prejudice. Yes, it is a good idea to completely rewrite if the text fills a hole in an article, but the copyvio should be removed immediately.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism, in the classical sense, is okay on wikipedia, but only if the following condition is met: The original material must be in the public domain, or licensed under GFDL, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License, or other compatible license. For instance, it would be fine to copy/paste information produced by the US government, since information produced by the US Government is in the public domain. WhiteDragon (talk) 16:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but it is not acceptabe to Plagiarize. Plagiarism is copying without attribution. It is acceptable to copy, but you must attribute the source. If you attribute the source, then it's not plagiarism. Furthermore, if the work is CC-BY-SA and you copy without attribution, then in addition to committing plagiarism, you are also in violation of the license and therefore you are violating copyright law. -Arch dude (talk) 18:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Colt 1860 Army .44 Caliber Revolver S/n 16763

How can I find out what the value of the above revolver might be when I sell it? Its in good condition. My Uncle left the gun upon his death. He was a Master Gun Smith at making guns of all kinds and lots of rifle barrels. I hope you can give me an idea of its value. Louia —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.20.127.107 (talk) 23:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Have you tried the miscellaneous section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

addig a category

I thought it would be easy to add a category to a page here and here, but I was wrong. I've often come across an article without a category, which oten has some template relating to categories where I can scroll through a list and pick an appropriate one.

This time, I found a category indicating that the article wasn't categorized, but not making it easy to add a category. I clicked on the link, which brought me to Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization, which wasn't helpful. It tells me how to add a category if I know the name, but doesn't offer much help if I do not. (I read Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization#What categories already exist? which has a lot of information about things that don't work, and the ones that do are overwhelming.)

I tried searching the FAQ, but it brought me to help for readers - no help, or to Wikipedia:FAQ/Categorization, which I've seen.

I tried guessing, and added [[Category:Women's Basketball]], but that doesn't just drop in the category, it adds text I don't want.

What am I doing wrong?--SPhilbrickT 23:36, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Nothing really, from looking at the content of the article and going straight to Category:Basketball I noted that there is a child called Category:Women's basketball (NB. capitalisation also counts in category names) and also via the competitions that Category:Basketball at the Universiade exists. These categories as well as one somewhere in the depths of Category:Basketball in the United States would probably be good inclusions. As an aside, you can link directly to a category without adding it to a page such as this by adding a : to the front of the link - [[:Category:Fish]] is displayed as Category:Fish. Nanonic (talk) 23:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

And looking at the history of the USA Women's U18 and U19 teams page, the mistake you made was to directly replace the uncategorised notice with the category by replacing {{Uncategorized|date=August 2009}} with {{category:basketball}}. Curly braces on Wikipedia transclude pages. In this case it is displaying the text from Category:Basketball at the bottom of the article. To fix this replace the curly braces with square ones so it looks like [[Category:Basketball]] or one of the others above. Nanonic (talk) 00:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Darn, I knew it was going to be something stupid, and I tried to make sure it wasn't = yes, curly braces tripped me up. Thank-you.--SPhilbrickT 00:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

August 13

Copyright/usage of the Wikipedia logo

Does Wikipedia provide a logo that is licensed for use by the media? Is permission required - if so, whom should I contact? I have browsed through a few of the logos that you have stored at Wikimedia, but they are all marked as copyrighted with no information about media use. 83.67.34.115 (talk) 00:05, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The best place to start is probably Wikimedia Foundation Press Room. Let me see if I can dig anything else up. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:17, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Update: According to this: "The only Wikipedia content you should contact the Wikimedia Foundation about is the trademarked Wikipedia/Wikimedia logos, which are not freely usable without permission (members of the media, see Foundation:Press room, others see Wikipedia:Contact us)." -- So it sounds like you need to either go here or here. I hope that helps. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Template for "Read discussion first"

Resolved

I'm working on a page that is plagued with many new editors popping in and having their say without bothering to notice that we've already discussed that and that their wonderful new idea is neither new nor wonderful. Is there a template I can put on the talk page that says something to the effect of "Don't look like an imbecile, read the current talk first?" I have seen a few templates that come somewhat close to that notion, but none that match what I'm looking for. Any help would be greatly appreciated! Jsharpminor (talk) 00:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You could use {{Round in Circles}} which can also include an archive search box, {{FAQ}} and provide a list of QnA's for things that come up a lot or just use {{Info}} and make your own notice. Nanonic (talk) 00:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(e/c)Here are a few things that might meet your need:

• For the article page itself: Template:Controversial Template:Underdiscussion

Still looking for user talk page templates. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

What additional source is needed for the page of D. Bertsekas?

HI, I checked your revision on the page of Dimitri Bertsekas. Thanks for the attention!

However, I'm not sure of what specific materials to add so the page is more reliable. The citations from Google scholar and other databases are already there. What additional source do I need?

Thanks!

18.138.6.216 (talk) 03:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

This help desk is for general questions. If you're trying to contact the person who left the tag requesting more sources, the place to do that is at User talk:Uncia. Algebraist 03:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

chat

how to chat in internet? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.90.147.133 (talk) 07:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You can use Instant messaging clients, or IRC, to name a few methods. ÷seresin 08:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

For the next time you have a question, please use our reference desk, as this place is for Wikipedia editing related questions only. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:58, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You can obtain Wikipedia help with this or this.  Chzz  ►  09:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

New Article

The new Article I wrote is in my user page. How to transfer it to wikipedia —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramannair r (talk • contribs) 12:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You will need to move the page to the mainspace by clicking on the "move" tab at the top of the page. However, please read our info on writing your first article and citing sources before doing so. TNXMan 13:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Citations.

I have a question regarding links to newspapers when the page has a comments section where members of the public can add comments on the article, I think this should not be allowed as the comments can be anything at all, have a look at this link and the added comments. [here] Off2riorob (talk)there are some pretty rude and defamatory comments from the public there about her and I could add whatever I wanted. 14:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

If you mean that the comments are being used as citations, then you are quite right, these should not be used as sources of information. However, if the link is to the page itself which confirms what is on the wikipedia article, then there is no reason why it should not be linked to. A lot of newspaper articles now allow comments to be added - if we say that no links to those articles are allowed, a lot of citations on wikipedia would have to be removed! As I say, it is the article which the link is about - no one has control over the comments left by others, but the article itself will stay constant. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:09, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I would say that if we can link to another cite without the comment section it would be better, on that citation there are defamatory comments about the subject, this is an encyclopedia isn't it? The comments after some time could get bigger than the article. I think that if there is a link without public comments then that is better, a link to that is little better than blog. Off2riorob (talk) 15:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree, Off2riorob, that if possible, we should find another source for the information without comments - but if none is available, then we should use the article. After all, I think most of the users of Wikipedia can differentiate between the news article's content which confirms or adds to the wikipedia article's content, and someone else's personal opinion. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

We are linking to rogan from irvings comment that....This female is basically mad and should be sectioned under the mental health act.

Looking through most of our cites are to articles without the comment section, I have found one with a comment section. very nice. Off2riorob (talk) 15:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Adding to an article without logging in..sorry

I've added the village's new community website to an article about Belford, Northumberland (UK), but didn't realise (idiot)that I needed to sign in, I've now signed up for an account, but am worried about my details being available via the saved article.What should I do?--Nell Atkin (talk) 15:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Apart from the fact that you've mentioned it, very few people can link an IP address with your user account (checkusers can, but not normal editors). Although it may be possible for someone to guess "oh yes, that editor with ip 11.22.33.44 is possibly the same as user abc", it would be guess work! I've made a couple of edits when I've not been logged in, and I doubt if anyone here who wasn't a checkuser could work out which ones they are! The amount of information someone could get from your IP would be limited anyway - they'd get your ISP, your general location (for example, with my ISP, they'd get that I was in Croydon when I edited), but generally that's all. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Looking at the article, I see nothing done on it since 16th July - so anything you tried to do isn't in the history of the article, so you have nothing to worry about anyway! -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the page history [2] shows no edits since July 16. If you accidentally saved an edit without logging in and want your IP address removed from the page history then you can make a request at Wikipedia:Requests for oversight. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

See WP:LOGGEDOUT ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 23:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

AFD muckup

Have nominated an article for deletion Legally Blonde (musical) cast lists and just cant get it to work can someone see what the problem is. Probably something tiny im overlookingMark E (talk) 16:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

It was something tiny - you forgot to close a link to Legally Blonde (musical. Now you can complete sections II and III of the AfD instructions. Xenon54 (talk) 16:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Silly me! Thanks very muchMark E (talk) 16:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Finding my article when searching

Can someone please tell me why I can't find my article when I search for the title, once I created the page?

Thank you.

Dave —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpgint (talk • contribs) 16:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Judging by the notices on your talk page, I'd say they got deleted. You may want to read those notices, or contact the deleting administrator, for more information. Hersfold non-admin^(t/a/c) 16:36, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) It appears that you created three articles in December which were deleted because they were copyright violations and/or advertising. Were these the articles to which you were referring? TNXMan 16:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I thought that the Ridgewood Park article was legit and not deleted. That article is the one that I am trying to find. Also what do I need to do in the future for it not to be deleted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cpgint (talk • contribs) 16:41, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You added a paragraph to your talk page on Ridgewood park here: User talk:Cpgint.--SPhilbrickT 16:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The only reference I can see to a Ridgewood Park is on your user talk page. This is not an article, so wouldn't be visible via the search box. Also, if this was to be an article, I doubt that it would last for long, as it does not demonstrate the notability of RidgeWood Park, San Antonio, Texas (paragraph on your user talk page) (as opposed to Ridgewood Park, Dallas, Texas, which is a community) - you might be better off inserting the details of Ridgewood Park into the article about the Tesoro Corporation, with suitable citations. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

(created at RidgeWood Park, San Antonio, Texas and subsequently prodded by me) Xenon54 (talk) 21:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Template for the nth AfD

I remember vaguely that there is a template one can add to the top of an AfD discussion, which generates links to previous AfDs for the same article. Anyone know what it is? DuncanHill (talk) 17:37, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure about exactly what you ask for - but if you know it's been AfD'd before, use {{subst:afdx}} instead of the normal {{subst:afd1}}. Archived Delete Debates can be found here. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:53, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that's not it. What I'm looking for is something that goes at the top of the deletion discussion page, and has links to previous discussions. DuncanHill (talk) 18:04, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it something like <div class="infobox" style="width:50%">AfDs for this article:<ul class="listify">{{Special:Prefixindex/Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asian fetish}}</ul></div> (stolen from WP:Articles for deletion/Asian fetish (5th nomination))? TNXMan 18:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's like that, but I'm sure you don't have to type all that malarky out ('cos if you do, I'd never use it, and I'm sure I have used it). DuncanHill (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, I think it's generated automatically if there is a previous AfD in the system. (I think.) TNXMan 18:23, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

No, it isn't - I recall adding it to an AfD ages ago because the person who started the AfD hadn't mentioned the previous debates, and I am aware of at least one current 3rd nomination which doesn't have it. DuncanHill (talk) 18:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you have the link to the current one? I'll look at and see if I can figure something out. TNXMan 18:40, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I worked it out - it's the afd2 template, but apparently not everyone uses it when starting a new debate. (It's the nom for Ferret legging that I noticed). DuncanHill (talk) 18:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The Afd has been closed so it's moot now, but if the AfD is created correctly with {{subst:Afd2}} as described at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion#How to list pages for deletion then Afd2 will automatically detect if it's not the first AfD and substitute code with links to the AfD's. Afd2 should be used whether or not it's the first AfD. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - as I said, not everyone creates AfDs in that way however. DuncanHill (talk) 19:50, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

New page

How do I create my own new page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by End002 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 17:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Writing an article for Wikipedia is harder than many people realize. Over 99% of all articles submitted by someone with no other editing experience in Wikipedia are deleted. Even professional writers find that the format and style needed for a good encyclopedia article are different than what might be appropriate for other venues.

If your only goal is to make sure that an article is added to Wikipedia, you are urged to visit WP:RA where you can request that someone write an article on the subject.

If you are interested in becoming an editor at Wikipedia, our experience demonstrates that it is better to start by improving existing articles, which will help you get a sense of how this place works, and then writing your first article from scratch. A good place to visit is WP:BL, where there are literally hundreds of thousands of articles needing help from editors. Find an article in a subject area you know, and add a source, or a reference, or simply help write it better.

If you do decide to write an article immediately, please read WP:COI, to help make sure you don't have a Conflict of Interest, then read WP:FIRST, which will repeat some of the good advice above, then tell you how to start writing your first article. Make sure you start it in a User Subpage. You can edit to your heart's content in a sandbox, and no one will interfere, but as soon as it is in the main Wikipedia space, anyone can edit it, and anyone can propose it for deletion.--SPhilbrickT 19:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Flagging as Inaccurate or Obsolete

If I do not want to directly edit myself information that is either inaccurate or obsolete, how do I flag it for the attention of a more experienced editor.

Specifically, the article regarding the Ukraine Flag cites a domain without giving a specific page in the citation for the color chart used in the article.

However this page http://www.vexilla-mundi.com/ukraine_flag.html at the domain cited in the previous edit does not agree with the Color Chart used in the article.

Shewmaker Shewmaker (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm no citations expert myself but any issue about the article can be mentioned on the article's talk page. Kotiwalo (talk) 18:46, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

You can add a {{disputed}} tag. hmwitht 18:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

If you refer to Flag of Ukraine, you can discuss your concerns on Talk:Flag of Ukraine. See Help:Talk page and Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. --Teratornis (talk) 18:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Beta

Is it possible to return to the regular format after switching to Beta? --Nick4404 yada yada yada What have I done? 18:57, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

At the very top of the page, there should be a link that says "Leave beta". There's an optional survey to complete afterwards. TNXMan 19:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The survey is optional only in the sense that you don't have to fill it out. But it takes you to the survey form whether you like it or not, and you have to scroll to bottom of the form to get out. —teb728 t c 19:59, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Fabian A. Koss

Fabian A. Koss was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina in 1966. He is the Founder and President of the Many Hats Institute www.themanyhats.org Fabian A. Koss is married to Joan Testa- Koss —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fabian Koss (talk • contribs) 21:12, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this spam--Notedgrant (talk) 22:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Mr Koss, what exactly do you want to accomplish from this post? Xenon54 (talk) 22:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

American Motorcyclist Association

There is factually incorrect info and disparaging links here -- every time I edit them, the copy reverts back to the original. Help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pterhorst (talk • contribs) 21:43, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Click the history tab to see the page history [3] which shows edit summaries by other editors. They refer to policies like WP:NPOV and WP:COPYVIO. See also Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations. It is an encyclopedia article and not a promotion for the organization. You can suggest changes on the talk page at Talk:American Motorcyclist Association. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Mobile editing

Is there a way to efficiently edit Wikipedia with mobile devices? I use the mobile website to look at articles on my iPhone all the time, but if I want to edit the page, I have to do so on regular Wikipedia. Editing pages through my iPhone can get very inefficient, as scrolling down the editing box can get really difficult.--67.167.244.119 (talk) 22:20, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

No, not that I know of. I've heard of people editing (the regular version) from their Wiis, but as far as I know the mobile version is geared toward reading. Xenon54 (talk) 22:30, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I've edited wikipedia with Blazer on a Treo 680. It was cumbersome, but doable. So in answer to your question, it is certainly possible, but not efficient. WhiteDragon (talk) 17:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Change Entry Name Capitalization

I'd like to capitalize the second title word on my page (Bodie mine to Bodie Mine). How do I edit the name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 09thdriveby (talk • contribs) 22:47, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved Bodie mine. You cannot move pages yet because your account is not autoconfirmed. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

August 14

I was given the following advice as to how to improve my page Kerry Hallam

"dyk ref is No 4 and its in the lede. Do change hook as required". What does this mean and how do I do it? If anyone wants to do it for me that is fine. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rage707 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

dyk is Did You Know. See Wikipedia:Did you know for background. An article you substantially improved, Kerry Hallam, has been proposed for a DYK, but someone thinks the proposed "hook" should be better worded. Look here : Template talk:Did you know (and search for Kerry) to see the proposed "hook". As the substantive editor, you are being informed, as you might be in a good position to suggest better wording for the hook. Actual DYK articles are selected from the proposed. --SPhilbrickT 00:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can ask the editor who made the comment at User talk:Victuallers if you want to be sure. It was also Victuallers who nominated it at Template talk:Did you know#Kerry Hallam. It looks to me like it's not advice and it's not asking for changes. "dyk ref is No 4 and its in the lede" means that the reference for the suggested DYK statement (which is called the "hook" at DYK) is the 4th reference (at the time of the comment [4]) and is placed in the lead section. There is nothing wrong with that. I guess "Do change hook as required" is unrelated to the first sentence. Victuallers who wrote the suggested hook is just saying that other editors can modify the suggestion if they want. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Title mistake

I have entered a spelling mistake in the title when creating a new page, How can I correct it?Tyroneshills (talk) 02:56, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved Daryl simpson to Daryl Simpson. I guess you refer to this. Your acount is not autoconfirmed yet so you cannot move pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

dropdown section?

i have a sectin in an article that i'm creating that seems a little long. Can someone help me turn it into a drop down list? the page is User:Tim1357/sandbox/An Empress And The Warriors--Tim1357 (talk) 03:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Every film article I have seen lists only the first billed cast. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Style guidelines for more info. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 03:43, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

iPhone App for Watchlist

Does anyone know of an iPhone App that can view a user's watchlist? Cheers. Grover cleveland (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't suppose navigating to Special:Watchlist with Safari will do the trick? You may also want to ask at the computing reference desk. — QuantumEleven 09:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

"Current user" display

Is there a template or magic word I can use that will make the name of the current user display? • S • C • A • R • C • E • 03:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No. Why do you want to do this? The desired result may be achievable in other ways. Algebraist 03:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

For a message on a user's talk page? I think you're talking about {{PAGENAME}}. There are more at mw:Help:Magic words. hmwitht 04:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

{{REVISIONUSER}} will show the name of the current user when transcluded. See User talk:Gadget850/Editnotice. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 12:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

That's interesting. On the editnotice page itself, {{REVISIONUSER}} is doing what it should (display the username of the user who edited the page most recently), but on your usertalk edit screen, it displays the name of the editing user. Is this some special quirk of editnotices, or something else? Algebraist 13:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

{{REVISIONUSER}} displays the user name of the last user to edit the page, currently Amalthea for User talk:Gadget850/Editnotice. It is not changed by a purge or null edit. If you preview then it displays you. If you are editing a page where it's in the editnotice such as User talk:Gadget850 then it also displays you. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

That is why I noted "when transcluded." Neat little quirk. Might be nice to have this in a template for ease of use. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 13:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Jeffreydavidmorris. Is that your name? For me it's displaying my name when I was not the last person to edit the page • S • C • A • R • C • E • 15:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

As PrimeHunter explained above, when you preview from the edit page, it displays you. When you saw it display your name, you were previewing. When you saved your edit, it still displayed your name because you were the last editor. If you had canceled your edit, it would have reverted to last editor to save. —teb728 t c 20:50, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Do we have a template page for an article that is primarily based on primary soures?

A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 04:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

{{primary sources}}. Algebraist 04:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Are externak links to blogs allowed?

I saw an article Influencer marketing a user added an external link to a blog I removed it as per WP:ELNO when I checked the article most of the links provided were to blogs ,Are they allowed in out here ?Should I remove all the links (to blogs).I'm a bit more cautious than usual because Admins have given me the rollback right I do not want to abuse it Thankyou--Notedgrant (talk) 05:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

You can be bold and remove any links that you think violate WP:ELNO as a normal edit. Rollback is only for reverting blatant vandalism; but you couldn't use it in this case anyway, and no one is going to remove your rollback ability because of an edit that didn't involve the use of that feature. Deor (talk) 11:58, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou--Notedgrant (talk) 13:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Signature appearance

Is it allowed to have your signature, not even barely relate to your username? • S • C • A • R • C • E • 05:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The guideline is at WP:SIG. Scanning through it, I don’t notice anything on point to your question. It is hard to talk about hypotheticals: If this is something you want to do, what specifically do you want to do and why? If this is something you have seen, what specifically did you see? Otherwise, IMHO it is not worth thinking about. —teb728 t c 07:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Its not forbidden. In fact I know of several administrators who's signatures have nothing to do with their usernames, but its not generally a good idea. Icewedge (talk) 08:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not worth the confusion. It's less effort to get a username change. (Which is not recommended in your case as you just had one.) Xenon54 (talk) 13:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

"While not an absolute requirement, it is common practice for a signature to resemble to some degree the user name it represents." (from WP:CUSTOMSIG). However, "If your username or signature is unnecessarily confusing, editors may request that you change it." (from WP:U#Choosing an appropriate username). hmwitht 14:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Illegal link

someone keeps putting an illegal link on my page

how can i stop them —Preceding unsigned comment added by Creatiev (talk • contribs) 09:49, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

If you mean the speedy deletion template, you shouldn't remove them if you created the page yourself. Placing one is not illegal, it's perfectly allowed if the page meets a speedy deletion criteria. If the page is not eligible for speedy deletion it won't be deleted. Kotiwalo (talk) 09:54, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

If you want to oppose deletion, you should add a {{hangon}} tag on the page. But if you keep removing the speedy deletion template, you will be blocked from editing and will not be able to do even that. —teb728 t c 10:03, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

It's not your page just because you created it and it may be about you. See Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. It was deleted as a copyright violation of something you maybe also wrote. The copyright problem might be solved by following Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials#Granting us permission to copy material already online, but the article had other big problems. If you are the subject then see Wikipedia:Autobiography. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

deleting account

dear Sir/Madam, i started a bit too fast and had created an account in the name of my organization (very wrong i realised). Now i realised it must be deleted. And as advised in the FAQ, i created my own account where i'll ask independant editors if they would consider enter an article about my organisation. I know Wikipedia is definitely not a vanity press, etc. but its name goes around a lot and i think there should be a place on Wikipedia that gives objective neutral info about it. But now, i think i must delete the account in the name of the organisation. How can i do it? you said on 12/08 that one cannote delete accounts but change username. This would not alter the conflict of interest issue though? thanks for your help, marie-hélène cussac - Generation Europe FoundationMhcussac (talk) 13:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC) Mhcussac (talk) 13:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Accounts can't be deleted and don't need to be. Just don't use the old account. Algebraist 13:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Bonjour! To expand on what Algebraist said, there are two issues to be considered: the first was your previous username (which, as per Wikipedia:Username policy, must not represent a company or an organisation), which you've solved by registering a new one. Whilst the old user name will still exist, as long as you don't use it to edit, there's no problem. The second are the edits you make, irrespective of your user name - as you've correctly said, at Wikipedia we frown on vanity and non-neutral language, so as long as your edits stay within the boundaries of what is accceptable then everything is all right.

I realise that understanding what is appropriate and what is not appropriate on Wikipedia can be tricky if you're just starting out, so if you have any questions, feel free to post here or leave me a message on my talk page. If you want to edit a rough draft and get comments on it before making it "live", you can do so at a user subpage (for instance, User:Mhcussac/draft). Good luck! — QuantumEleven 14:11, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

How do I add my own links to the sidebar

I am using the monobook skin. Arlen22 (talk) 14:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Anyone know how I can add links to the sidebar that show up when I am logged in. Arlen22 (talk) 16:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

What would you like to add? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 16:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

A welcome user link in the community toolbox section. Arlen22 (talk) 17:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

What code do I use to add a link? Arlen22 (talk) 19:55, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Securing content rights protection

Wiki officials:

Is there a classification/distinction that an editor can earn to to protect content from being changed on my employers Wiki page, a public university? If so, what are the proper procedures to arrange this right/distinction? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.164.121.43 (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

No. See WP:BFAQ#PROTECT —SpaceFlight89 15:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Further to SpaceFlight89, when articles are posted, it is done under the Creative Commons licenses, which means that anyone can copy it (subject to attributing it), modify it or anything else. Also, if it's on a university's wiki page - the whole point of a wiki is that it is a collaborative piece of work, so apart from monitoring it and undoing any vandalism, there's nothing else that can be done. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Since you work for the university, and since you want to control its article, it appears you have a conflict of interest with regard to its article; so you probably shouldn't be editing it at all. —teb728 t c 20:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

You can make suggestions on the talk page at Talk:Indiana University-Purdue University Fort Wayne. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:30, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Starting a brand new page

How do I do it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by African2 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Incidently, your idea for an article about Gift sex would probably not be considered notable enough for wikipedia (going by your draft mistakenly put on Help talk:User contributions). May I suggest that you create a user page to work on it (for example User:African2/Gift sex. That way it may not get deleted very quickly, whereas I think that if you created it normally, it would be. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:29, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Further, your draft appears to have been a copy from the RichardDawkins.net forum post, which was about the only reference that I could find to Gift sex on a quick google search (ignoring things like Gift, sex, gift - sex, gift: sex, etc.). I'm not positive, but I have a feeling that RichardDawkins has an agreement when you post to the forum that anything on there becomes copyright RichardDawkins.net, which means it couldn't be used here anyway. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 15:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I received a strange email in Croatian from WikiAdmin??!

I received a strange email from the WikiAdmin, pls can someone explain what this email is about and why I am receiving this in Croatian language??!! Is someone hacking my account?

Email received from 2009/8/14 WikiAdmin <wiki@wikimedia.org>:

Bthomeldh,

stranicu na Wikipediji s naslovom Razgovor sa suradnikom:Bthomeldh je dana 14:35, 14. kolovoza 2009. stvorio suradnik SpeedyBot, pogledajte http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Razgovor_sa_suradnikom:Bthomeldh za trenutačnu inačicu.

Ovo je nova stranica.

Sažetak urednika: dobrodošlica

Možete se javiti uredniku: mail: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posebno:Elektroni%C4%8Dka_po%C5%A1ta/SpeedyBot wiki: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suradnik:SpeedyBot

Do vašeg ponovnog posjeta stranici nećete dobivati daljnja izviješća. Postavke za izvješćivanje možete resetirati na svom popisu praćenja.

          Vaš sustav izvješćivanja - hrvatska Wikipedija.

-- Za promjene svog popisa praćenja posjetite http://hr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Posebno:Watchlist&edit=yes

Za pomoć posjetite: http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pomo%C4%87:Contents ELD 16:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC) (feeling very puzzled; I am a English, Swedish, Chinese wikipedia user and not Croatian) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bthomeldh (talk • contribs)

I think it's telling you that you have a new message on your talk page on the Croatian wikipedia (it's just a standard welcome template). DuncanHill (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

• I see your account is unified. What this looks like is: you probably clicked a link somewhere that led to the Croatian Wikipedia. Since you're a SUL account, an account on that wiki was created automatically when you landed on that page, and there appears to be a bot running there that welcomes new accounts as they are created. This bot left a welcome message on your page there, as well as emailing you. Arakunem^Talk 16:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Strange email

E-mail from the Ukranian Wikipedia

Mikespedia, 07:47, 1 серпня 2009 сторінка проекту «Вікіпедія» Обговорення користувача:Mikespedia була створено користувачем Turzh, див. http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%B1%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8F_%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87%D0%B0:Mikespedia, щоб переглянути поточну версію. Це нова сторінка. A Ukrainian message was sent to me from wiki@wikimedia.org. It says Короткий опис змін: Створена сторінка: Welcome! Hello, Help desk, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful: The five pillars of Wikipedia Tutorial How to edit a page How to write a great article Manual of Style I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! --Mikespedia (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC) Звернутися до користувача, що редагував: ел. пошта: http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%96%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0:EmailUser/Turzh вікі: http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D1%83%D0%B2%D0%B0%D1%87:Turzh Не буде подальшого сповіщення в разі нових змін, якщо Ви не відвідуєте цю сторінку. Ви могли також повторно встановити прапори сповіщення для всіх сторінок у вашому списку спостереження. Система сповіщення Вікіпедії -- Змінити налаштування вашого списку спостереження можна на http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%86%D1%96%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B0:Watchlist/edit Зворотний зв'язок та допомога: http://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%96%D0%B4%D0%BA%D0%B0:%D0%97%D0%BC%D1%96%D1%81%D1%82

What is it doing in my email?--Mikespedia (talk) 16:15, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

This is the exact same question as the one above. Your account is probably unified, and you accidentally clicked on a link to uk.wikipedia. Xenon54 (talk) 16:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

(ec)Did you just make a global/SUL account? If so, somebody on that Wiki might have noticed a new account and posted a message to your talk page on the at wiki---which, depending on the wiki's settings, might have generated an automatic email to your registered email account.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 16:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

[5] August 1, by the looks of it. Arakunem^Talk 16:26, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

hiding minor edits for user contributions

Hello, I'd like to see all my edits, but not the ones I've marked as minor. Is there a way to do that with the wikimedia software, or has someone written a tool to do that? thanks, WhiteDragon (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

You can change it in the Watchlist tab of your Preferences. hmwitht 17:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I was going to write that just after WhiteDragon posted his question - but that's not what is required... the OP wants a list of edits (as in Special:Contributions/WhiteDragon) but without the minor edits showing. I'm not sure if there is a way to do that. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Ohh, fail. I misunderstood. Sorry, WhiteDragon. I agree with PhantomSteve then. I don't think there is a way. hmwitht 23:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Changing Title of an Article

Hello, As an employee of the University of Colorado Department of Theatre & Dance, I have been given the assignment to update our Wikipedia page previously created by a student. This student however, did not use the correct name in the title. The current title is "Colorado University Theatre and Dance." It should read "University of Colorado at Boulder Department of Theatre & Dance." Since my account is new, it appears I do not have the right clearance to make such a change. Is there a way to do this? Many thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marcuseturner (talk • contribs) 20:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have moved the page, as the title is shown on the official website. There is work to be done on the article, but as an employee of the University, you have a potential conflict of interest. Should you consider working on the article, I would suggest that you read the COI guidelines linked to, as well as Neutral Point of View Guidelines. It might also be an idea, should you do any work on it, to place a note on the article's discussion page declaring your affiliation. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 20:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

(e/c)University of Colorado at Boulder Department of Theatre & Dance seems rather promotional. And I suspect any not-promotional part should be merged into University of Colorado at Boulder. Ordinarily university departments are not notable enough to have their own page. —teb728 t c 20:57, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I have removed some of the worst parts of promotional wording, and if others want to look to see how it could be improved further, then please do! I tend to agree with teb728, that this should be merged with the main Univ of Col article. Especially since none of the faculty have an article on wikipedia, and only a few of their 'guest' lecturers (or however they phrased it) have articles. I don't really think that this department is notable enough in their own right to justify their own article. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:25, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Broken Links

There are < ref > tags on this page, but the references will not show without a < references/ > tag.
Could someone PLEASE kix the broken links in my article? Also, can you please post HOW to fix and where i messed up? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinique --99.231.196.195 (talk) 23:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

I added a References section with a {{reflist}} template to make the references appear. The Clinique article has other problems, though. Please see WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, WP:OWN, WP:COI, and WP:LAYOUT. --Teratornis (talk) 23:18, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

To see what I changed, check this diff. See Help:Page history and Help:Diff. --Teratornis (talk) 23:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The big blue "Cite error" part of the message is a link to Help:Cite errors. I think I got the link working in all but one of those messages. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

August 15

Moving an article from user page to general accessibility

I created an article on my user page and would like to move the text so that the article is accessible to others. Can you tell me how to do this?

Thanks!

Christine Hamlin 00:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christinemhamlin (talk • contribs)

Please see Help:Starting a new page if you are considering moving the information from your userpage. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial. Please also take a look at WP:USERSUBPAGE.Cptnono (talk) 02:30, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

flicker page as reference

I'm working on expanding the List of Phi Beta Sigma conclaves and have found the dates for the 1935 convention in only one place, a flicker page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/phibetasigma/3541141443/). I'd like to find somewhere else with the information, though. Is flickr.com counted as a particularly bad reference? (i.e. bots that will remove it?)

Generally, user generated content (e.g. Flickr, Youtube, other wikis) is not considered to be a reliable source. However, Wikipedia guidelines are not set in stone (that's why they're called guidelines), and you are allowed to use common sense and make an exception if necessary. (Currently XLinkBot does not remove links to Flickr, so you don't need to worry about that.) Xenon54 (talk) 02:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. In this case the Flicker image is an image of a specific newspaper article presumably in the December 20th, 1935 Washington Tribune, so I think that it is better than most Flickr data. I did eventually track down the blog entry in the Phi Beta Sigma historical blog that includes the flicker page and as such, I'm including the Historical Blog page. Normally, I wouldn't include blogs, but bluephi.net appears to be *very* well referenced for a blog (a lot of newspaper clippings and official fraternity magazine pages)Naraht (talk) 02:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

If the Flickr image is of a newspaper article, then the reference is that article and you should cite that, and not Flickr. Also, an article from 1935 is likely copyrighted, and thus its use at Flickr is possibly a copyright violation, so you should probably not link to it (linking to copyvios is not allowed at Wikipedia). You can cite the newspaper article like any other print source, and there is no requirement that print sources be availible online. --Jayron32 05:26, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Help with clean up tag

Hi, I need some help with the clean up tag. I cannot seem to format it properly. I can get the first sentence right but the second sentence is incomprehensible. Is there a way to fix this whilst keeping the first sentence the same.

• P.o.o.r.P.h.o.t.o.r.e.m.o.v.i.l.s.t. (talk) 02:24, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

There's an existing tag, {{Too many photos}}, that appears to be what you want (unless {{Cleanup-gallery}} would work better). You may also want to check your spelling of too. Deor (talk) 02:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will use these from now on. P.o.o.r.P.h.o.t.o.r.e.m.o.v.i.l.s.t. (talk) 03:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

How can i browse wiki offline?

Is there any software or something can help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.54.131.69 (talk) 02:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You can download a database dump. However, you will not be able to see any changes made to articles after it was created of course. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 02:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I recently saw a blog post about okawix - it may do what you want. There is also a newish feature called "Books", see Help:Books. I think you can pick a set of articles (yourself or from Wikipedia:Books) and get it rendered as a pdf so you can read offline. See Wikipedia:Books/Featured Articles for an example.--Commander Keane (talk) 00:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

There are some possibilities under WP:EIW#Download and WP:EIW#Redistribution. I don't know how easy they are as I have not tried any of them. Also see One Laptop Per Child and OLPC XO-1#Software. Evidently a subset of Wikipedia articles will be or is already available on a computer that third world children can get. --Teratornis (talk) 02:56, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

give information

If i would like to give information that wellknown in thailand can I give information to you or it must pay fee for post information

jimmy <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.202.21 (talk) 04:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

There is no fee for using or editing Wikipedia. But you are not supposed post information from your personal knowledge. Everything in Wikipedia is supposed to have been published earlier. And if you post something that is controversial or chalenged, you have to back it up with a reference to a reliable published source. (By the way, I removed your email address because we do not reply via email, and it is dangerous to post your email address in such a visible place.) —teb728 t c 05:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict with above response). Anyone may add any information to Wikipedia at any time. However, there are some general principles to abide by. Information should be given a neutral point of view and be verifiable, preferably by being cited to a reliable source. We cannot accept original research which has not been previously published, even if it is The Truth. However, if you have access to published information which is not currently at Wikipedia, feel free to dive right in and edit!--Jayron32 05:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You may also like to edit on the Thai Wikipedia. Sometimes the other language Wikipedias have different rules from the English Wikipedia. For example, I think the Japanese Wikipedia is more accepting of anime articles which are considered "non-notable" on the English Wikipedia. The smaller Wikipedias are often struggling for more content and their user communities may be more interested in adding information than deleting it. The English Wikipedia is the largest and most heavily edited Wikipedia, so we attract a lot more cruft. --Teratornis (talk) 03:01, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Browser problem?

All the gadgets I use in my preferences have suddenly stopped working/displaying (see below). I've been contributing to the encyclopedia for nearly 4 years and I have never been warned or blocked for anything naughty. Is it a Wiki server problem, or a problem with my browser? (Firefox on Mac - latest versions.) I have re-checked my prefs and the items are still checked.
Editing gadgets:

• Friendly, a set of tools for Firefox, Safari, and Opera that automates some of Wikipedia's more friendly, collaboration oriented tasks, such as welcoming new users.
• HotCat, easily add / remove / change a category on a page, with name suggestion [example]
• refTools, adds a "cite" button to the editing toolbar for quick and easy addition of commonly used citation templates.
• Twinkle, a set of tools for Firefox, Safari, and Opera that automates common tasks such as reporting vandalism, warning vandals, and requesting deletion.

User interface gadgets:

• Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page
• After rolling back an edit, automatically open the contributions of the user rolled back.
• Change the "new section" tab text to instead display the much narrower "+". *Display an assessment of an article's quality as part of the page header for each article. (documentation)
• Moves edit links next to the section headers (documentation)
  

--Kudpung (talk) 04:41, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you trying Beta? hmwitht 06:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

RefTools stopped working for me sometime within the last couple hours. I have been trying to figure out if I did something wrong or not. Everything else seems fine though. Not using beta at this time.Cptnono (talk) 11:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

My page was deleted - the error message said it was deleted because other information was not found on google

I inserted information around a real person with real information on their life that is not available on the internet for we are just starting to put information up. The person is my grandfather, who was an artist. Please inform me how I can make sure this does not happen again. Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ynestlen (talk • contribs) 06:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Anything included on Wikipedia should be based off verifiable sources (published works of importance). Take a look at WP:RELIABLE for further info. Also, original research is not acceptable (see: WP:NOR). Another disclaimer is: WP:NOTMEMORIAL since this is not a memorial site to anyone but is intended to be encyclopedic text. Everything should be fine assuming your grandfather meaes the guidelines for inclusion (WP:PEOPLE). I just threw several links at you so if you get confused just ask questions and read more links at: Wikipedia:Your first article. Have fun and happy editing.Cptnono (talk) 06:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I have restored the deleted version to User:Ynestlen/Hermann Geiger (artist), where you can work on it further. You need to find references, either in print or on the internet, to back up what is being said about him. It can't just be your interpretation or opinion. Bencherlite^Talk 07:20, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Have any newspaper or magazine articles or books been published about him? If nothing has been published about him then he doesn't meet our standard for having an article about him. Sorry. —teb728 t c 07:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I actually saw a several sources on a google news search. They were not in English but I assume they are about the subject. If someone has the interest to help it out there might be a worthwhile article here.Cptnono (talk) 08:03, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

If on the other hand he is not notable, WikiPopuli and Biographicon accept biographies of non-notable people. —teb728 t c 08:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

To clarify what others have mentioned - references for articles do not have to be online - however, they should be verifiable. For example, you could use a newspaper article that isn't online as a reference, and just state the paper, the edition, the author (if known) of the newspaper article, and possibly the page(s)/column(s). Although not everybody would be able to verify it, it can be verified by someone in the locality the newspaper was published in. Similarly, if the information can be verified in a published book (not self-published), which could be found in a local library, etc, then this can be cited as well. The important bit is verifiability - other people should be able to find the source if they look for it - usually in a local library. -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 11:09, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

It is also important to restate that you or your relatives may have a conflict of interest (link) on the individual/article. This often leads to other problems such as the misunderstanding because you do not own the article (link), trouble with bias or taking the article too personal - remeber that you are simply a contributor. Tiggerjay (talk) 00:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Uploading photos but first i need to undergone 10 edit

Why is it i need to have atleast 10 edit activities before i can upload my photos. Does it mean any types of editting for any kind of an article to be considered as valid edit? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Privatesurfing (talk • contribs) 08:11, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, any edits count. You also have to wait 4 days from the time you registered. But if they are photos you took yourself, you can upload them to Commons:Upload with no edits and no wait. But you have to license them under a free license. (If they are photos you took yourself, you would have to free-license them even if you uploaded them to Wikipedia.) —teb728 t c 08:19, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Deletion discussions

A user's user page and talk page are being used inappropriately, and I'm going to nominate them for MfD. Is there a way to have them discussed on the same page?

Yeah, just make one entry and list both the pages in your nomination. We usually delete both the talk and main pages for articles at the same time anyway, so it's not like this is any stretch of procedure. --erachima talk 10:55, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Kotiwalo (talk) 11:00, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You can use the mfd template like {{mfd|GroupName}} and create a mfd subpage called GroupName where you can nominate related pages. Apart from that, it's just the normal procedure, which I think you are familiar with. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 11:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Of course you have to replace "GroupName" with a more appropriate and related name. ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 11:08, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I already nominated them under the user page's name, but the talk page is clearly mentioned. Kotiwalo (talk) 11:18, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Search function

Why, when I type "noosphere" into the search function, does it execute a program function that asks me if I want to find a program or save the file to my computer? I have been searching for many things through Wikipedia and this is the only search term I have found that acts this way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.143.131.146 (talk) 12:12, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

It worked fine for me, so it isn't a universal issue.--SPhilbrickT 14:06, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are intermittently prompted for a download, then there is a connection glitch. The page is not fully loading and your browser does not recognize it as a web page, thus it thinks it should be downloaded. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 14:07, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Rollback and Reverting: Difference?

What is the difference between rolling back and reverting? • S • C • A • R • C • E • 19:56, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Rollback feature. Rollback is a fast method to revert but there are rules about when to use it and it's only available to some users. "Rolling back" will sometimes but not always refer to use of rollback. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:17, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not have rollback privileges and yet, when I go to an edit in the history I see...

[rollback (AGF)] || [rollback] || [rollback (VANDAL)]

On top. I use the red one very often and just used the lightblue one today. What does "rollback" mean in this feature? Reading rollback's feature, this sounds like the exact feature these can do. Here I reverted 8 edits at once by one user by using the blue button and here I used the red button. They are both from Twinkle because they add the Twinkle thing (TW) to the edit summaries • S • C • A • R • C • E • 22:29, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

They are Twinkle features but not the real Wikipedia:Rollback feature. See Wikipedia:Twinkle/doc#Difference between revisions. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

The feature your using is part of Twinkle, as PrimeHunter stated, and it performs the same "end result" that you receive with actual rollback permissions. There are some minor benefits of using the actual rollback rights, instead of the fake rollback via Twinkle. Rollback users process the function faster, both for the user and the servers. Twinkle performs this action in a automated process the long way by opening the page, making the changes and resaving it - resulting in the same effective "roll back" but in a slightly slower way; in all, nothing really to worry about.

Change the Name of Wikipedia Page

I require spacing in the infobox as at present it is displayed as "TheWonderfulSaintTitan" and obviously this should be The Wonderful Saint Titan

Is the only way to achieve this is to change my username from TheWonderfulSaintTitan to The Wonderful Saint Titan?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWonderfulSaintTitan (talk • contribs) 20:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed the name in [6] but that's the least of several problems. User:TheWonderfulSaintTitan is the user page for your account. It is not an article in the encyclopedia and it shouldn't be with the current content if that's what you are planning. Writing an autobiograhpy on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged and your page is far from satisfying Wikipedia requirements like Wikipedia:Notability (people). PrimeHunter (talk) 20:43, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

The Title seems to have been resolved so I thank whoever is responsible for that aid.

However I have ented occupation as Painter, Sculptor, Illustrator and Filmmaker and other information and it saves but does not appear in this infobox artist with blue band??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWonderfulSaintTitan (talk • contribs) 20:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Artist has documentation about how to use the infobox. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

can't export new article to the web

Hi,

I am trying to publish my article on Wikipedia. I have done several edits but it does not come up in the search. How do I make it public?

Thanks, —Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryLizJames (talk • contribs) 20:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

You have created your article in userspace at User:HenryLizJames. If you want it to show up in the search you need to create it at Cheryl Machat Dorskind. Theleftorium 20:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

How do I do that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by HenryLizJames (talk • contribs) 21:42, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

With your last edit you became WP:Autoconfirmed. Now you should be able to WP:Move it. —teb728 t c 23:38, 15 August 2009 (UTC) Before you move it however, you might want to be sure you have established the subject's notability and provide references to reliable sources. As long as the article is in your user space nobody is likely to hassle you about issues the article may have. As soon as you move it to article space, it is open to scrutiny. —teb728 t c 23:44, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

creating signatures

I've just started trying to change my signature. I don't know a lot of html but i think what I'm trying to enter is correct. I just want different color text and background text for it. However, when I try to save it in "my preferences" it says to check the HTML tags that there is an error.

Lime

in

the

Coconut

that's what I entered

<table cellspacing=0><tr bgcolor=#006400 style="font-family:Tahoma;color:#7FFF00;font-size:24px;"><td>Lime</td><td bgcolor=#8B4513  style="color:#FFF8DC;">in</td><td>the</td><td bgcolor=#8B4513 style="color:#FFF8DC;">Coconut</td></tr></table>

I might be wrong, but have you tried using bgcolor="#006400" (i.e. quotation marks for the values)? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:05, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I wasn't totally wrong - the quotation marks are needed - but I can't get it to work even with that. Perhaps it doesn't like the table? -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 21:10, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

do you know of any other way to get background colors for the signature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lime in the Coconut (talk • contribs) 22:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

How about using [[User:Lime in the Coconut|<span style="font-family:Tahoma;background:#006400;color:#7FFF00;font-size:24px;">Lime<span style="background:#8B4513;color:#FFF8DC;">in</span>the<span style="background:#8B4513;color:#FFF8DC;">Coconut</span></span>]] It yields LimeintheCoconut —teb728 t c 23:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much! Lime in the Coconut 23:52, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Please reduce the font size. See Wikipedia:Signatures#Appearance and color. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

That is a bloody annoying sig. The green on green will not pass the visual test linked in the guideline. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:41, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Blip External Link Graphic in Infobox

There is evidence of a part of an external link graphic present in my infobox. i want the external link to remain of course but why is this graphic not complete or there at all?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by TheWonderfulSaintTitan (talk • contribs) 21:33, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

If I understand you correctly, you want to display an image that is hosted externally without uploading it either to Wikipedia or Commons. That is not possible; the Wikipedia server software will display only content that is uploaded to Wikipedia or Commons. If you created the graphic yourself without copying from anyone else, you must license it under a free license—one that allows anyone to reuse it for anything. —teb728 t c 22:37, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

If you mean the little arrow to the right of an external link is not displaying properly then it's probably a problem in your browser. It often happened to me in IE7. I see the arrow in the box on your user page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:03, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

August 16

Tmbox

I have a tmbox on my userpage that I'd like to align to the left margin as all userboxes and the TOC. How can I do that?

I have tried making a table, but when I did that, the tmbox lost its yellow colour.

If you know how to do it, go right ahead! Or write here. Debresser (talk) 01:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

With an {{ambox}} I was able to left-align it with the small = left option, but the yellow color went away. You'll probably want to revert that. See: Template talk:Mbox#Left-aligned small box for some discussion. I'm sure the folks who participated there would know how to do what you want. --Teratornis (talk) 02:23, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I really appreciate your effort. I have to admit that I'd really like to keep the yelow colour, and that the small letters also don't help in pointing attention to themselves.

I am familiar with 2 of the editors in that discussion. One of them has left Wikipedia, unfortunately. The other is on a loose wikibreak. But I wrote him anyway, and hope he'll have a solution. Thanks for that idea. Debresser (talk) 02:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You could also ask on Template talk:Tmbox and read the archived talk pages. Maybe this problem came up before. And keep checking here for a couple of days, maybe someone will more knowledgeable will chime in later. --Teratornis (talk) 03:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Roger Federer

I'm not sure if this redirect should be here. The redirect is Federer, to Roger Federer. Since there is more people with the name Federer, shouldn't it go to Federer (disambiguation) I'm not experienced in this topic, Just Wondering! ;) Programmer13^Talk_{What I do} 02:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Roger Federer is much better known than the other Federer's together so the redirect is appropriate. Most users entering Federer in the search box will be looking for Roger Federer. That article uses {{Redirect}} at the top to link to Federer (disambiguation). See the last entry in the table at Wikipedia:Redirect#Alternative names and languages. The example there is Obama redirecting to Barack Obama and not Obama (disambiguation). PrimeHunter (talk) 02:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You can see what Wikipedia users are likely to search for by looking at the page view statistics (there's a link on an article's history page):

• http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Roger_Federer viewed 989400 times in 200907. This article ranked 582 in traffic on en.wikipedia.org.
• http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Herbert_Federer viewed 367 times in 200907.
• http://stats.grok.se/en/latest/Michelle_Federer viewed 2536 times in 200907.

It would seem Roger Federer crushes rivals even on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 02:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Uploading translated pages

i am regd user , how can i upload my translated pages to existing category to enrich that?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sjsingh kld (talk • contribs) 03:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean by translated pages? ≈ Chamal ^talk ¤ 03:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with templates and functions.

I have poked around various help pages for awile now, but have not found anything to explain what is going on with a template I edited recently (Template:Infobox Sailboat Specifications)

I made each of the fields optional using #if which works for the most part, but with inconsistent spacing.

If you look at pages that use the template, spacing is fine unless two or more fields in a row are unused. When that happens blank lines show up in the infobox where the fields would go.

Examples:

• 11 Metre (keelboat)
• 2.4 Metre (keelboat)

Any help fixing the template would be appreciated, as would an explanation as to what I did wrong.

—MJBurrage^(T•C) 05:44, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

You are doing this the hard way. Use {{Infobox}} as a meta-template to build your infobox. ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 10:54, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Inexperienced Need Help

Concerning User:DIREKTOR – Is This A WikiBully?

Long Discussion

The key word in your post being "presumably". :) Find yourself another one of your crappy "forums" to talk about your presumptions. Just forget about this, Luigi/Brunodam, you're not annoying anyone - you're just turning out amusing. I think I'll file a checkuser in an hour or so, you'd better believe it when I say I'll delete everything you wrote if you're a sock. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 15:49, 5 August 2009 (UTC) "Freedom of speech"??! :) LoL, aren't we "high and mighty"? A little too "high and mighty" for a sock of Brunodam/Luigi trying to pick a fight with Users by writing his opinions in bold on a wiki talkpage. Hoping that your essays will attract other, real users and start a fake dispute about a non-existing controversy? Nice try... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 06:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Re: Hello Comrade! xD Ban you!? Why in the world would I want to ban you? You're wacky, you're a lot of fun - I like that! :D And since even a brain-dead, brutish Slav communist can see through your sockpuppet "disguise", you're really not a problem. Why not, have some fun on Wikipedia! I'll just make 100% sure none of your transparently biased, behind-the-scenes plotting works. Now we all know POV-pushers of this sort must also be checked for sockpuppets. Be sure you will NOT be able to resurface undetected here again. Best regards :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC) You're leaving! But why? Oh I see... you're getting out before you can get banned. Good thinking - that way enWiki doesn't really ban you, and you still "win"! Come back soon :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC) Yeah well, don't be too amused. Its a sock all right, probably yours but certainly someone's. If its not you its probably one of the dozens of sockpuppeteers I helped put away. Could be anyone (if its "not you" by some wild chance, that is). Either way I wouldn't put much stock in a sock's opinion, I'm actually all heart :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC) Don't you worry Rex old boy, "my menace" is here to stay. It only gets more annoying and "menacing" as the months and years go by... xD gosh I'm evil --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:22, 14 August 2009 (UTC) My very well sourced propaganda, Rex, lets not forget. With your sock report I doubt you'll have to endure the um..."suffering" for much longer. ;) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 22:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC) Is this type of behaviour condoned in Wkipedic circles (I think this man is a bully). If it is not can you please help me and point me in the right direction to address his tactics used against anyone who doesn’t agree with his POV? Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 07:24, 16 August 2009 (UTC) It seems very inappropriate to me. I'll ask DIREKTOR what that was about. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC) He seems to have forgot to assume good faith and not to assume that someone is a sockpuppet too quickly. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:32, 16 August 2009 (UTC) I would also like to add that I am inexperienced in Wiki protocol and I am trying to learn and adhere to the principles as best I can. So I am saying here that I may have crossed some protocols due to inexperience and the sensitivity of the issues that were in question, however in my opinion the Direktor is way overreacting and abusive. Kind Regards Sir Floyd (talk) 08:51, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Being a newcomer and inexperienced is allowed. Since it's easy to edit and revert, being bold is good. Kotiwalo (talk) 08:58, 16 August 2009 (UTC) (Ok, this is a tremendously large post, yes, but these are out-of-context attacks on my person and if I am to respond, I have to respond to each in-turn.) Yes, I agree, when a user with a personal agenda against me goes around all my contribs and creates a nice collection of all the times I've almost insulted someone, it looks pretty bad. Here's the thing, though, this is like the third or fourth report on me User:Sir Floyd has created/endorsed in the past two days or so for various things he can come up with. All have been rejected as unfounded. He is on an agenda to get me blocked. WP:HARASS applies, I think. There are seven quotes up there, they were taken out of context and even altered to make me, with my somewhat too jokey mode of conversation, look like a "bully" (before I start a note: nearly all bold text was inserted by User:Sir Floyd, and he added words to my posts). I have overreacted in nearly all of them, I admit, but they are something of a collection of my worst moments, I do not think they make me a "bully". The first four quotes are from the talkpage of User:Sir Floyd, this account is almost certainly a sockpuppet of User:Luigi 28 (or User:Brunodam, though less likely). I won't lay down the case here, but the account jumped immediately upon creation into User:Luigi 28's POV-pushing. But lets go through them all: "The key word in your post being "presumably". :) Find yourself another one of your crappy "forums" to talk about your presumptions. Just forget about this, Luigi/Brunodam, you're not annoying anyone - you're just turning out amusing. I think I'll file a checkuser in an hour or so, you'd better believe it when I say I'll delete everything you wrote if you're a sock." I'm referring to the "crappy forum", and the Wikipedia cafe at itWiki in which Users who were reported by me on enWiki are badmouthing me on a daily basis. Accoring to User:AlasdairGreen27's advice here: "DIREKTOR, You should head over to itWiki more often. Highly entertaining. They spend more time moaning about you than is probably healthy. (...) they're over at Bruno's blog moaning and grumbling about how they've all been blocked or banned." Further, I'm also saying I will delete his provocative posts if he's a sock (as we are supposed to do), and that his provocative posts are not annoying anyone. "Freedom of speech"??! :) LoL, aren't we "high and mighty"? A little too "high and mighty" for a sock of Brunodam/Luigi trying to pick a fight with Users by writing his opinions in bold on a wiki talkpage. Hoping that your essays will attract other, real users and start a fake dispute about a non-existing controversy? Nice try..." Exactly what in this post constitutes a personal attack? I'm accusing the User of being a sock and of trying to pick a fight on Talk:Josip Broz Tito. It is certainly likely he's a sock, and a pretty obvious one at that (I probably should've immediately posted a checkuser). He has arrived on the page, found that he was contradicted by sources and Users, but continued to argue and bicker with no proposed changes to the article. I overreacted, yes, but I didn't actually insult him. "Re: Hello Comrade! xD Ban you!? Why in the world would I want to ban you? You're wacky, you're a lot of fun - I like that! :D And since even a brain-dead, brutish Slav communist can see through your sockpuppet "disguise", you're really not a problem. Why not, have some fun on Wikipedia! I'll just make 100% sure none of your transparently biased, behind-the-scenes plotting works. Now we all know POV-pushers of this sort must also be checked for sockpuppets. Be sure you will NOT be able to resurface undetected here again. Best regards :)" This post has even (1) been altered in order to WP:HARASS me, I did not call User:Sir Floyd a "comrade" ("Re:Hello Comrade!" is the title). (2) It is a response to this provocation (entitled "Hello Comrade!") on the part of User:Sir Floyd, where he called me a communist "cry baby". I still did not say much about User:Sir Floyd in my response. I stated he's a sock, biased, and a POV-pusher - not really "insults", more like facts if we look at his edits on Talk:Josip Broz Tito. All that's left is the part where I call him "wacky", this is how I talk: I did not mean that in any derogatory way, I was actually trying to "lighten-up" the conversation after his provocation. I also called myself "a brain-dead, brutish Slav communist" in a sarcastic way, not anyone else. Is calling someone "wacky" after he calls you a communist dictator-worshiping crybaby a personal attack? "You're leaving! But why? Oh I see... you're getting out before you can get banned. Good thinking - that way enWiki doesn't really ban you, and you still "win"! Come back soon :)" Again, how is this a personal attack? I'm saying he's a sock and is leaving before he can get reported. I repeat - the bit of sarcasm here was meant to be "good-spirited". It was taken far too seriously. Even so, I don't see how accusing a user of being a sock is a personal attack? Yeah well, don't be too amused. Its a sock all right, probably yours but certainly someone's. If its not you its probably one of the dozens of sockpuppeteers I helped put away. Could be anyone (if its "not you" by some wild chance, that is). Either way I wouldn't put much stock in a sock's opinion, I'm actually all heart :) In this post I am discussing User:Easy4all who's connections with User:Brunodam's sock, User:Marygiove, are currently being investigated. There can be no doubt that the account User:Easy4all is someone's sock. Suffices to say that the account was created the day before yesterday and the only edits this supposedly "new user" made were directed aagainst me personally. In other words, all that this account did was badmouth me. See further evidence here under the Evidence subsection. I'm actually not insulting anyone, but I'm saying that the account is an obvious sock. When I say "I wouldn't put much stock in a sock's opinion, I'm actually all heart", I'm responding to User:Easy4all's badmouthing me on the same sockpuppet report page. Taken out of context. Not actually a personal attack. "Don't you worry Rex old boy, "my menace" is here to stay. It only gets more annoying and "menacing" as the months and years go by... xD gosh I'm evil" Oh yeah, here's another "personal attack". I'm responding with a joke to being called an evil menace (by Sir Floyd or Easy4all), and I'm taking it pretty well, I think. :) "My very well sourced propaganda, Rex, lets not forget. With your sock report I doubt you'll have to endure the um..."suffering" for much longer." ;) Yes, again, I'm "jokingly" accusing the User of being a sockpuppeteer. Is this a personal attack? Also, this is again taken out of context. Its is a response to a "conference" on how good it would be if I was banned [7] where I'm called: "one of the worst balkan editors, and if banned a lot of fighting inside en.wiki will disappear". In short, all of these posts are accusations of sockppupeteering, responses to provocations taken out of context, and an attempts to make my light mode of conversation seem far worse than it is. I am an editor with three years on Wiki and 18,000 edits. I am NOT a "bully". These people are trying to get me banned by any means necessary. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 10:27, 16 August 2009 (UTC) I do acknowledge the fact that Sir Floyd isn't innocent in here either, but he was acquitted in a sockpuppet investigation, and two wrongs do not make a right. Since you're an experienced contributor, you should know how to keep your cool. Kotiwalo (talk) 10:33, 16 August 2009 (UTC) He was not aquitted of being a sock. No such report was ever made. The report was on the connection between User:Rex Dominator and User:Easy4all (since all that account did was support his "reports" against me). A checkuser on a possible connection between the long-time sockpuppeteers User:Luigi 28 and/or User:Brunodam (each with something like a dozen socks) was never asked for. I am rarely wrong about socks of these two characters - not a single report by me on their socks ever came back negative (today's on User:Rex Dominotor was the first report of mine that did). I'm thinking of reporting him right now, but I think I'll get CTS if I don't rest my hand a while :P --DIREKTOR (TALK) 10:40, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Rex_Dominator see for yourself. I don't even refer to people as sockpuppets/puppeteers until the results are clear, but I'm not sure what the policy is. In any case, I suggest that you stop arguing because it won't do you any good. Apologize to each other and get back to working with articles. Kotiwalo (talk) 10:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Yes, as I said above, that is a report on a possible connection with User:Rex Dominator, not with User:Luigi 28 and/or User:Brunodam (which is what I was referring to when I accused him of being a sock). His mention in that report was a quick check. Please bear in mind that socks of those two users have been harassing me intermittently for months and years, even seeking me out in the real world, posting my home information on the web, and threatening me personally ("We are coming!"). The above quotes are a collection of my worst moments, taken out-of-context, and I believe they are in no way indicative of my character. Nevertheless, I sincerely apologize for them, as I'm certainly not proud of such episodes, even though they have been manipulated to appear far worse than they are. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 11:00, 16 August 2009 (UTC) Well, we have determined that DIREKTOR isn't an evil menace, and the sockpuppet discussion doesn't belong in help desk, so I'd call this issue settled. I'll contact Sir Floyd and ask him about a few things that spring to mind when looking at his edit history. Kotiwalo (talk) 11:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

New user here, with new page & need review of it & what I can do;

I don't want number's, where my link's are, and I don't quite understand the full setting's, you know, control. I want to get it just right like I want, just it's a tad confusing, so to speak. I can play with this/that back and forth to get (?) just right, but please, not 3 hour's or so to do it. I can catch on quick, IF, I undertsnad that which I have access to. I mean, I try to edit now, and get a download file to download - what is that? No program to id the file, thus, to open. I wanna have access to all your possible feature's, but I think they need to be in a more easier understandable format, ok.