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    Alinor

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning Alinor

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Ladril (talk) 21:34, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Alinor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    [[1]]

    While under a topic-ban from Kosovo-related articles, Alinor did engage in a edit-war in an article related to the same topic (or to be more precise, he edit-warred over the same topic on a related article). Note the current sanction was for edit-warring.


    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    March 4, 2011. Alinor was topic-banned from Kosovo-related articles for a period of three months [2]. After this happens:

    1. [3] A long dispute over the sorting criteria for List of sovereign states ends in an informal mediation stage. A rough consensus emerges, but two users (Alinor among them) refuse to compromise with the majority. The mediator closes the mediation as unresolved.

    2. [4] While moving to close the mediation, the mediator states: "I suggest that a sufficient consensus on sandbox 3i2 has developed here for it to be implemented directly over any objections. Those who might still object are (obviously) within their rights to challenge that action, but I strongly recommend that any such challenge not involve further debate between these participants, but be turned over to third parties via RfC, 3rd Opinion, formal mediation, or arbitration."

    3. [5] Indeed, the mediation closes with thirteen users accepting this sandbox as a new version of the page to be improved on. You can see evidence of acceptance here [6] [7] [8]. The "3i2 version" becomes the consensual version accepted by thirteen users, while the two opposers (Alinor among them) continue to object to it without proposing any alternative than convinces the community. Note this sandbox was created and proposed on 21 May.

    4. [9] Time is given for the sandbox to be reviewed and objections raised. Since no more users object about it, it is incorporated into the main article space on 29 May. It should be noted that the two opposers made no alternative proposals during this period, despite being repeatedly prompted to do so (they continued to cling to their positions made during the mediation, failing to compromise with the consensus adopted by the other users). The acceptance of this version is not implied to be a claim on ownership of the article or to unilaterally close the dispute resolution process.

    5. [10], [11], [12], [13] One of the two opposers begins to edit war over the consensus version with several other users, intending to restore the previous version . An uninvolved administrator intervenes and determines this version [14] is the consensus version.

    6. [15] After the administrator has made his call, Alinor continues the edit war, claiming no consensus exists. Page is protected after this.

    On the talk page and on the mediation, Alinor has stated repeatedly that his reasons for opposing the consensus have to do in part with how "RoK" (Republic of Kosovo) is portrayed. Three examples: [16], [17], [18]. He is not satisfied with the current consensus but instead of following proper avenues for continuing dispute resolution, has engaged in edit-warring.

    Alinor, during the duration of a temporal topic ban, knowingly and willingly engaged in an edit war in a related article, explicitly stating that one of his reasons to edit-war was an inconformity with the portrayal of Kosovo in the page. I argue that this is acting against the spirit of the previous sanction applied to Alinor. I read that in the previous case, where he earned the topic-ban, he edit-warred, tried to WP:BLUDGEON the process and did not engage in constructive listening of other people's points (WP:HEAR). He apparently did not learn anything from the previous AE, because he is adopting the same behaviour in this case.


    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    At the time of engaging in the edit war (June 1) [19], Alinor was under a three-month topic ban (set to expire on June 4, 2011). Appropriate admin warnings and arbitration decisions can be found here: [20]


    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    Extension of the current topic ban.

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    In case somebody wants to argue that Alinor did not "edit war" because he made only one edit to the page, it must be emphasized again that an administrator intervened to restore a page to a consensual version after an edit-war, and Alinor continued the edit war in defiance of the admin action.

    In addition, this probably goes without saying, but if my behaviour in this case deserves a sanction I am completely willing to accept it, no questions asked.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [21], [22]


    Discussion concerning Alinor

    Statement by Alinor

    Comments by others about the request concerning Alinor

    @T.Canens, is there any obvious reason to treat this any harsher than any other 'ethnic' AE area? In other words, is there a good reason to think that this slightly different wording was deliberate? - BorisG (talk) 13:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning Alinor

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    One second. The drafting of WP:ARBKOS is....not a work of art. WP:ARBKOS#Modified states that "editors of Kosovo and related articles who engage in edit warring, incivility, original research, or other disruptive editing, may be banned for an appropriate period of time, in extreme cases indefinitely." What ban are we talking about here? Contemporary cases, such as Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Honda S2000, seems to indicate that "ban" here is used in the sense of a site ban or block and not a topic ban. Has Alinor been warned about WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions? T. Canens (talk) 12:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    The case log reveals six occasions where bans from Kosovo have been issued since 2006. Principle #3 says "Users who disrupt the editing of an article or set of articles may be banned from those articles, or, in extreme cases, from the site." This suggests that bans from 'a set of articles' were considered doable. ARBKOS makes no requirement to issue a warning before sanctions are imposed and no warnings appear in the log, though warnings might be a good practice from now on. EdJohnston (talk) 13:31, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    One could say, though, that those bans came under the article probation (Remedy 8) rather than remedy 9.1. I still think the latter is better read as site-banning/blocking provision rather than a topic/page ban provision. T. Canens (talk) 13:42, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    @BorisG: date of the decision. The Kosovo case is one of the earliest "ethnic" cases, as you put it. You'll find that early arbcom decisions involved such odd remedies as "banned for one day (!)" and often refer to enforcement actions as bans rather than blocks. The more standardized remedies and discretionary sanctions did not come about until much later. There is also the problem of making remedy 8 superfluous since article probation includes page bans. One can certainly argue that the ARBKOS remedies are anachronistic (no required warning, etc.), and it probably is, but until arbcom "modernizes" it that's what we have to work with. T. Canens (talk) 14:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    I propose that we formally warn Alinor per WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions and call it a day. I find working with ARBKOS excessively frustrating. For instance, which enforcement provision should we follow, Wikipedia:ARBKOS#Enforcement by block or Wikipedia:ARBKOS#Enforcement by block 2? Perhaps we can request clarification from arbcom (except that none of the arbs who participated in that decision are serving), but I don't think it's worth the effort given that the general sanctions of ARBKOS would have been entirely subsumed by ARBMAC but for the additional warning requirement, which is not that big of a deal. T. Canens (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    That sounds reasonable (use ARBMAC from now on). The two 'Enforcement by block' clauses look to be competing remedies. The arbs should have made a choice and only passed one of the two. EdJohnston (talk) 16:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Communicat

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning Communicat

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nick-D (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Communicat (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (currently editing as 196.215.76.234 (talk · contribs) )
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II#Remedies
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Communicat has recently returned to editing using an IP address. To date, his only edits have been to launch personal attacks on the other editors who were involved in this arbitration case and continue the dispute:

    1. 31 May First personal attack and also repeats arguments concerning the World War II article
    2. 31 May second personal attack (not terribly serious)
    3. 2 June third and most serious attack in which Communicat again rehashes his arguments concerning the World War II article made in the arbitration case. Interestingly, he also discloses here that he is in fact Stan Winer, the author of the unreliable source Communicat was pushing.

    Note that Communicat has a history of using IP accounts to talk about himself in the third person and carry on disputes for which he has been blocked (for instance, here - that this was Communicat is confirmed by this edit from the same IP account. That account (196.210.181.54 (talk · contribs)) has a similar IP address and geolocates to the same area of South Africa as 196.215.76.234, providing further evidence that this is Communicat.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    Not applicable

    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    The above posts are a clear violation of both sanctions which were imposed on Communicat (to not edit or comment on articles concerning World War II and its aftermath and to not make personal attacks on other editors) and I ask that the IP account and Communicat's account be blocked per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II#Enforcement Nick-D (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Communicat account: [23] IP account: [24]


    Discussion concerning Communicat

    Statement by Communicat

    Comments by others about the request concerning Communicat

    • Comments by Binksternet. The IP 196.215.76.234 is from South Africa, a known residence of Stan Winer. I must assume that the IP is indeed Communicat as well as Stan Winer. I recommend that the IP and Communicat be blocked indefinitely. Binksternet (talk) 01:59, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    I also note that Communicat has not made a single edit after the closure of that ArbCom case. He does not seem interested in editing any areas of Wikipedia outside of the rather narrow area of his topic ban. - BorisG (talk) 13:47, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    Result concerning Communicat

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    • I'm thinking about a 1-week AE block, with a warning to edit from the account only or risk an indef. Unfortunately the IP range is too wide to effectively rangeblock. T. Canens (talk) 12:30, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • T. Canens: A one-week block seems sensible to me. As this is not a complex request, the next administrator to read this is welcome to immediately implement the block. If nobody does so soon, I'll go ahead. AGK [] 11:41, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]