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2016 Atlantic Hurricane Season

I Made A Mistake On This Article. I Wanted To Put Hurricane Otto's Disappearing Date At The Very Top But It Just Erased The Track Map For The Whole Season. Can I get Help? Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Welcome back, Hurricanestudier123! You'd missed off two closing curly brackets, which I've put back in. The Infobox functions again, but might not actually be what you wanted to achieve. I'll leave it to you, now. Remember, you can always 'undo' any edit you make if you fear it's messed up a page. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, you might not want to stat every word with a capital letter. Save it for that start of a sentence. UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Another participant persistently removes my edits

Another participant named Ke an unmotivatedely persistently removes my edits at Lithuania proper as I am trying to improve the article by mentioning all countries where this historical territory existed, and he does it regardless of all the proper explanation I provide - just dismissing it. I am not sure what should I do in such a situation, as it creates a totally unfriendly environment. Thank you. Vadzim (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: open a discussion on the article talkpage. If that fails, you can attempt other steps of WP:DISPUTE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: This is really good advice. You both appear to be involved in an WP:EDITWAR, whereby you are each constantly revert back to your preferred version. For fairness, I have given you both formal warnings on your talk pages. You could both receive a short block from editing if this continues. I've not yet countered the number of reverts, but you both look perilously close to our limit! So going to the talk page, citing sources, speaking reasonably, and trying to understand the other person's perspective is a really healthy way to collaborate and to come to agreement on what is and what is not appropriate in the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt:

@Nick Moyes: 

Dear Victor Schmidt, Nick Moyes and other experienced editors, could you please be so kind to examine the behaviour of user Ke an here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lithuania_proper&diff=980430732&oldid=980430412 as he continues removing/reverting disputed part of the article even when he knows discussion on the talk page isn't over yet (because he participates in it). Since the beginning of the discussion on the talk page I reverted it once, but only to let some new editor, who came later and might not know there is the discussion, know that there is an ongoing debate on talk page - unlike Ke an, who willingly reverts the page when he knows there is no conclusion is discussion yet. Thank you for your time! Vadzim (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: thanks you for raising this again. I have looked at the content you added, the veracity of which is now disputed. I have left as a best a solution as I can on the article talk page (bearing in mind I am ignorant of the political or geographical issues involved). That solution is to ask you not to re-insert the disputed content until the matter is resolved as the more 'stable' version of the article appears to have been the one without that image and caption. This might not be what you want to hear, but it is the best I can offer at this time. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Getting song artwork on wiki

hey! I need help getting the artwork to a song on Wikipedia! FarisLloyd (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Could you tell us and link to which artwork and which song, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

• yes its Lost by Cher Lloyd! I have a hq one on my pc — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs)

  Courtesy ping @Nick Moyes:. Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Song lyrics are copyright and must not be added to articles. We take very copyright seriously, and it's important that you do not not attempt to include them, nor link to 3rd party sites which themselves breach the artist's copyright. It would, however, be OK to include an external link to the artist's own website where lyrics are published. {We recently answered a very similar question here - see this) Don't forget that we are all expecting to see your userpage contain a WP:COI or WP:PAID declaration before you do any further editing on articles abut Cher Lloyd. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:39, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, I thought the question was about uploading an image associated with the song in question, like an album cover? I am thinking WP:FAIRUSE may apply, but not even remotely close to sure. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool: Quite right! I'm not sure how I managed to misinterpret the question so effectively! Nick Moyes (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, let's call it due under the law of averages, LOL! @Marchjuly and Fastily:, Would the associated artwork for "Lost" by Cher Lloyd be acceptable, perhaps under WP:FAIRUSE if there is an article needing one? I read the guideline which under accepted usage says cover art is acceptable when accompanying critical commentary but I know we use movie posters in infoboxes under fair use which seems to be an exception. There's also the fact that the guideline, under unacceptable uses, specifically names album covers (as part of discography). The OP is working on Lost (Cher Lloyd song) and Cher Lloyd discography, by the way. FarisLloyd, if you do not receive the help you need before this post gets archived, please try asking at WP:MCQ, a venue specifically intended for questions about media-related copyright issues. Best regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Never mind! I seem to have missed a big chunk of the happenings since this was posted. Please feel free to disregard my previous comment. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:26, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

It would most likely be fine in a stand-alone article about the song, but not in a discography or on the artist’s page per WP:NFC#cite_note-3. It should, however, be the cover art for the single, not the cover art of the album that the single appeared on. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

An unregistered user reverting/ reinserting the content that I removed from an article.

Hi to all! I recently made edits to this page (my edits can be found here), as it was listed on Cleanup listing for WikiProject Pakistan. This page is longer then it needs to be. There is a huge, unnecessary list of programmes aired/currently airing on this channel, and have no citations. I left a message on the article's talk page about the edits. No one replied and I went forward with it (WP:BOLD). Then, an unregistered user, edited the article and basically reverted it back to its original state. That IP pops up in the Edit History every now and then. How am I to proceed with this. Can this be treated as vandalism? The user is unregistered, so I can't ping them and talk directly. Need help. SuddenlyMangoes (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SuddenlyMangoes: I would not treat this as vandalism. It sounds like you have a content dispute. You might seek input at WT:TV asking how this is usually handled, and maybe get additional people from the project to watch the page for you and join in a discussion on the talk page. For further ideas of how to deal with the dispute, have a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thanks for the guidance. I'll post a question at WT:TV. SuddenlyMangoes (talk) 08:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How can I edit without using disruptive editing?

How can I edit without using Wikipedia:Disruptive editing? KassMMB (talk) 03:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, with special attention to the three core content policies, which are Verifiability, the Neutral point of view, and No original research. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Pinging KassMMB, since I forgot to do so in my previous edit Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

KassMMB The issue appears to be that you are adding to football (soccer) players' articles in good faith and 4TheWynne is reverting you and warning you to stop. I recommend you ask at that editor's Talk page (User talk:4TheWynne) how to properly add awards and honours. David notMD (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, first of all, soccer? Seriously? That's like... the worst insult... how could you... <heart attack>

I kid, I kid – an easy mistake to make first time around, but Australian rules football is a completely different sport to (what most countries call) soccer, and most Aussie rules fans get stuck into soccer for not being anywhere near as "tough" a sport, players "flopping", etc. Anyway, more to the point – to clarify, the honours listed in the infoboxes of AFL players don't encompass all accolades, pretty much just the AFL/major club-awarded ones (which I explained in one of my edit summaries), but KassMMB has continued to add awards from newspapers, etc. (among a couple of other little unnecessary things) despite my reverts/warnings, which is the main reason for concern. Also note that I wasn't the only one who reverted this person. More than happy to discuss with this person, provided they are willing to take what I'm saying onboard. Regards, 4TheWynne (talk • contribs) 06:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

4TheWynne Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. My sloppy assumption was that any mention of "football" outside the USA meant soccer. Yes, I am aware that Australia (and Canada) have "football" that is not USA rules football. David notMD (talk) 06:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Help Adding a Widget with a Google map

I have created a walking map that incorporates many of the buildings in this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Art_Deco_buildings_in_Perth

I would love to add the map in its own box next to the Contents at the top

No idea how - so assistance gratefully accepted.

cheers PerthDeco (talk) 03:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: because Wikipedia is a freely licensed project, we don't integrate copyrighted content like Google Maps. It's possible there is some way to do this by embedding Open Street maps content, but I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else knows that answer... Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply - do you mean anything that uses Google Maps? The map is entirely my work with info found in the public domain and uses my own photos - can I add it to any other wiki project? PerthDeco (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: Check out the info and links at Wikipedia:WikiProject OpenStreetMap. It may be a little out of date, but might help. I'm sure I've seen a template somewhere for putting OSM into articles - just can't remember where right now, sorry. I created the maps at Mont Blanc massif by layering OSM in powerpoint and tracing key features I wanted. I then deleted the background map and converted a screenshot from jog to svg. Inelegant, but it worked. See also WP:WikiProject Maps. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: found it! Check out this page and the 'See also' links, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks Nick will check it out PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: It may be worth mentioning that if a "Coordinates" column were added to the tables in that article, containing the coordinates of the locations, a {{GeoGroup}} template could be used in the article to link to an OpenStreetMap pinpointing all the locations on a map of Perth. Also, if you've taken photos of any of the buildings for which we don't already have images, you can upload them to Commons and then insert them in the list. Deor (talk) 17:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Deor: good idea re extra col but since most people now use their phone to look at stuff I think it might become to cumbersome. As for missing photos - its on my todo list.PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• @PerthDeco: This is somewhat a tangent, but to address your question about licensing (to the best of my understanding), the terms of use for Google Maps are tricky. You may be the sole creator, but as soon as you start contributing to the Google Local Guides program, etc., Google does everything they can to grab the license so that they'll be able to use it however they want and no one else will. That means that we can't integrate with it properly here, thus why we work with Open Street Map instead, even though it's unfortunately inferior to Google Maps in many other ways. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:18, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Great clarification and good to know. PerthDeco (talk) 03:02, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Updating pictures on Artists wikipedia page!

Hey! So I really want to update the images portrayed on Cher Lloyd wiki page! The current photos are from 2012 and it is 2020 now! This must be updated!

I have some photos I'd hope you guys can add for me!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/139848974@N07/26177918621/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/96853530@N05/11202591733/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/30406915221/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/29862999694/in/photostream/ FarisLloyd (talk) 05:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Unfortunately, none of those photos are usable on Wikipedia, since none of them are freely licensed (see the "all rights reserved" tag on Flickr). If you find other photos on Flickr that do have a free license (e.g. Creative Commons license), though, you can add them to Wikimedia Commons by following the instructions there; it's easy to import from Flickr. You could also start a discussion at Talk:Cher Lloyd and see if anyone can find a better image, or browse through commons:Category:Cher Lloyd to try to find one yourself. One thing to keep in mind is that we don't always want to use the most recent photo of someone if older photos are better quality. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

So would red carpet photos be useable? I found some that have no copyright stamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 05:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: No, sorry. All photos are regarded as copyright of the photographer, even if there's no 'copyright' notice shown. What we actually require is positive evidence of the presence of an appropriate Creative Commons commercial licence, NOT the absence of any copyright notice. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Is your choice of a username just a coincidence or are you somehow connected to Lloyd in a personal or professional way? — Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I am one of Cher's leading street teams (fan groups) to promote her and her music. I have direct connections to her manager and get exclusive info on new releases etc. That is why I felt the need to update her wiki page photo because her team wanted me to look into it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 06:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying things FarisLloyd. Based upon what you've posted, you do have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and might even be subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. I will post a more detailed reply on your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: I'll second the advice from Marchjuly on your user page that, since you have connections to Cher's team, one of the most helpful things you can do for the page is to encourage them to release a high-quality freely licensed photo of her by uploading it to Wikipedia Commons. They will need to follow the guidance at commons:Commons:Guidance for paid editors, and it will be up to the community here to decide which photo is actually used, but if they provide a newer photo of comparable or better quality than the current one, I don't see why we wouldn't want to switch. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:08, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Table is in the wrong place

Hello,

I need help. I am editing the draft article Josie James, and one of my tables ends up under "External Links" no matter what I do. I've checked for typos a thousand times. If I change the order of the tables, no tables go under "external links." Only the one I want to put last.

Thanks in advance! Earlgrey20 (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Such symptoms are usually a result of an unterminated table. The end of a table is indicated by |}, not |-}. I have corrected it in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

CSD

I know I'm not a new user, but is it OK if you still reply to me?

I was nominating a user page for speedy deletion under WP:U2 when I decided to move my CSD log to the User talk: namespace, because I don't like editing in userspace much. It actually turns out that the (now blocked) user who created the page had created five other userpages for nonexistent users. I came around and CSD'd one of them, but it added the page to User:Chicdat/CSD log instead of User talk:Chicdat/CSD log. So I went to my TW preferences and replaced the "CSD log" part of it with User talk:Chicdat/CSD log. But now, when I nominated another page for CSD, it saved it to User:Chicdat/User talk:Chicdat/CSD log! Will I ever be able to CSD again?

🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Chicdat, yes older users are also welcome to ask here at the Teahouse. I don't think it's possible to keep your CSD log in your user talk space, would recommend just using the standard "CSD log" value. You might be able to try setting "CSD log" in your settings, creating a redirect from User:Chicdat/CSD log to User talk:Chicdat/CSD log, and then see if Twinkle follows the redirect. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I tried. Twinkle didn't follow the redirect. I'll just disable CSD log and manually add pages to it. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Chicdat: I'm sorry, but I'm not understanding what's wrong with leaving the CSD log in the default place. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How to capitalize my username?

Hi Teahouse friends, and thanks for your help to answer questions from users like myself.

Is there a way that I can change the capitalization and display of my username?

Right now, my username on Wikipedia is "Nickgray"

For purely aesthetic reasons, I'd like it to either be "nickgray" (no caps) or "NickGray" (camelcase) Nickgray (talk) 11:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nickgray By default, the first letter of a username is capitalized and this cannot be changed, though it can be worked around by altering your signature, see WP:SIG. You can make a username change request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest to change other letters in your username to caps. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

You can change your signature to almost anything you want. While the edit histories will always show an uppercase letter, you can make your user-page lowercase with {{lowercase title}}. To get CamelCase you can either request a username change or you can give your user-page the appearance of CamelCase with {{DISPLAYTITLE:User:Nick<span style="text-transform:uppercase;">g</span>ray}} – Thjarkur (talk) 11:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nickgray: In other words, Nickgray is a different username than NickGray. If someone were to try to WP:PING you or go to your user page from the link User:NickGray, it would not work (though User:nickgray would). I would not recommend just changing your signature to camel case for that reason – you should use Special:GlobalRenameRequest.

I see now that there is a problem with that, too, because NickGray is already a user name, created in 2006. Since they have no edits or activity since then, though, I think they may allow you to take over that name. Perhaps someone else can clarify. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:42, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nickgray: I was just going to drop by and suggest that reading WP:USURP might help if you now wanted to change your username to that of User:NickGray. But, oddly, it looks like it was you who actually created that user account in 2006, then edited it once as Nickgray and then in June this year asked for it to be deleted. It appears to have made no edits itself. I don't really understand what was going on, but I suspect it would be quite easy for your username to be changed to it, providing you follow the rename procedure suggested above (and clarify if it was you who managed to create it all those years ago). Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Would Wikipedia be a good match for cultural history documentation that includes PDFs?

In the case of documenting the “output” of an international film festival, the festival Wikipedia page currently lists all the awards and certain other major events for the festival, but very little detail or any real yearly or historical documentation.

Editors could of course already choose to also start including lists of all movies shown each year along with information about guests and judges and so on, to better document the cultural history of the event and paint a more complete picture.

But information on Wikipedia should ideally be backed up by links to sources, and one of the best sources for the extra information mentioned above would be the yearly festival catalogue, a source that also contains a lot of other information (about each film shown, portraits of the honour guests and judges, the festival themes and other cultural documentation) that from a cultural history viewpoint might be just as important as the threadbare basic facts currently published on Wikipedia – some might argue vital even.

Posing, hypothetically, that the festival would be willing to make their past catalogues available for online publishing as PDFs, then the inclusion of these PDF catalogues would help make the cultural history documentation of the film festival far more complete, engaging, and historically relevant, and allow Wikipedia editors to easily refer or link to them as sources. But should one be able to get ahold of these PDFs, the question would then be how to best store/publish them in a historically lasting way.

And when googling the subject of inclusion of PDFs on Wikipedia (through Wikisource) it seems that, unlike images, PDFs appear to be considered a fringe use case reserved mostly for special circumstances. And while some might argue that this particular use case is culturally important or vital, others might then argue that PDFs of music record covers or even things like toy packaging are just as culturally important, and then where do you draw the line to avoid filling the Wikipedia sites with just about any kind of PDFs? So I see why lines need to be drawn, for practical reasons, and that the storing the types of PDFs discussed here may not be allowed.

But if Wikipedia/Wikisource isn't the recommended storage place for preservation/documentation of PDFs such as these (and I'm not saying it isn't, just that the information I found appears to suggest it might not be), because Wikipedia is intended mainly for summaries (and commentary) on the information in things published/stored/preserved elsewhere, then the question is what the Wikipedia community would recommend as a suitable solution for the storage of the actual source PDFs mentioned here (historical preservation style – something that would be likely to outlast the film festival itself), so that Wikipedia editors may then refer/link to the PDFs as sources of information published on Wikipedia.

I'm guessing similar discussions have arisen in the past, and if Wikipedia/Wikisource isn't the right match for a use case like this, then what alternative(s) would the community recommend for preserving the sources (if we are even be able to get ahold of them for preservation purposes)?

Thank you! 2.248.99.112 (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, these catalogs would be used as sources at most (and somewhat sparingly, because they are primary sources), or linked to in external links. One issue with hosting these files in any Wikimedia project is that they would need to be released under a free license, which may be next to impossible to achieve as a practical matter because they often (at least in the examples I've seen) incorporate screenshots from many films each of which have different copyright holders and may also incorporate advertisements with yet different copyright holders. I don't expect that sufficient permissions could be secured for us to host these in all but the most exceptional cases. You could look at the Internet Archive for hosting instead which may take a more liberal view. Or make your own website with whatever hosting solution you prefer? Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Search

Can the search function be improved? I looked for "Chingiz Autmatov" (spelled Aytmatov in Britannica and Aitmatov on Wikipedia) in Wikipedia. The response that there was nothing. When I entered the term in Duckduckgo (a search engine), the FIRST hit was "Chinghiz Aitmatov - Wikipedia." If an external search engine can so readily pull up the closest hit in Wikipedia, why can't Wikipedia? Kdammers (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC) Kdammers (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I started to type the first few letters of Chingiz... into the search box on the top right of this (and all other pages) on WP. By the time I had reached the last letter of Chingiz, the drop-down below that search box offered as suggestions both spellings of the surname, which I could have clicked on to go to the article. So I'm not sure why you thought there was a problem with the WP search box. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Entering "Chingiz Autmatov" turns up nothing, which is unexpected of a modern search engine. @Kdammers, there is really no reason for Wikipedia's search engine to be this bad apart from WMF not having spent resources on improving it. It would be quite easy for them to add a fuzzy or phonetic search. Until then, Googling strings and appending "Wikipedia" is the only workable solution. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are getting different answers than me. There is a redirect in Wikipedia, so that Chingiz Autmatov and Chingiz Aitmatov both link to the correct article and I can copy-paste "Chingiz Autmatov" from Þjarkur's text here into the search box to reach that article, for example. Of course, the WP search box only looks for article titles and redirects so it is of no use for searching talk pages archives or help pages, which have to be searched from other input boxes or search engines. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Only because I just now created the redirect , before there were no relevant results. – Thjarkur (talk) 16:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, Þjarkur, I should have though of that! Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 16:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Language question - multiple colors on a flag

Is "quarcolor" (= similar to bicolor, tricolor) a correct word for a flag with four different colors? Koreanovsky (talk) 12:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Koreanovsky: The equivalent word is quadricolor for four colors. I don't know how often it's used for flags specifically, though i see some hits in google so the answer is certainly more than never. Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Tank you for your reply! :) --Koreanovsky (talk) 10:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Prit Kamani

Hello sir i need to know how to put draft for submission i want to add Draft: Prit Kamani for submission. Wpedia User (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done I have added it for you. Theroadislong (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

State Magazine Copyright Question

Would photographs from the State Magazine be considered public domain? The are some with attribution (e.g. "Photo by John Doe") and submitted personal photos which I'd assume are under copyright.

However, there are others that mention federal departments in their attribution (e.g. "State Department photo by John Doe") or are either headshots or group photos of employees without attribution. Could I consider the second group of photos to be okay to use here? Dorito Toes (talk) 18:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Dorito Toes, here is what the official website says: "Unless a copyright is indicated, information on State Department websites is in the public domain and may be copied and distributed without permission. Citation of the U.S. State Department as source of the information is appreciated." Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for pointing that out. Dorito Toes (talk) 00:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

strange formatting of reference-links in an article

Hi, dear people, I wanted to translate the article on Vincent Namatjira for the german wikipedia, but it is impossible - due to the unusual and to me very strange formatting of the reference-links. I do know <ref name= - but there are no real references at all given - only the short terms for the ref name, but nowhere the real references (or i'm too blind to see???), which leaves me completely puzzled. I up to now never have seen this. For instance there is a <ref name=ocula/> - but no explanation or link or anything. And in the reflink-section this is named (and it's the only reference given at all) {Reflist}}, {{s-start}}, {{s-ach|aw}}, {{s-bef|before=[[Tony Costa (artist)|Tony Costa]]}}, {{s-ttl|title=[[Archibald Prize]]|years=2020<br />for ''[[Adam Goodes]]''}},{{s-aft|after= }},{{s-end}} Could someone help me to get to the REAL references in this article, please? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 18:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gyanda, I would just start by copying the entire article over to the German Wikipedia and then removing whatever doesn't work. The references are all there just defined somewhere else in the text, for example the reference named "Ocula" is defined after the text Aboriginal-owned and -operated centre in Indulkana. You don't need any of the "s-start" to "s-end" stuff, that's only there to create that "Archibald Prize" box at the bottom of his article, which isn't needed. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Thjarkur. I looked with the search of firefox through the text, but didn't find the references, will have a look again. Meanwhile i did my own research and perhaps i will write my own article as there is much more info than given in the article... will see. I just don't find it helpful if references are done like it is here, it really puzzled me a lot. Thank you that you found them!!! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 18:54, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Gyanda:, usually the first reference to a source gives both the ref name and the full reference. In the case of Vincent Namatjira, I looked at the ref-list and found that the first reference given was to an article in Ocula art magazine. Clicking the little "a" next to the up caret brought me to the last sentence of the first paragraph of the "Early life" section. That is where the full reference that is shown in the reflist is defined: <ref name=ocula>{{Cite web |url=https://ocula.com/magazine/conversations/vincent-namatjira/ |title=Vincent Namatjira in Conversation |last=King |first=Natalie |date=24 November 2018 |website=Ocula |access-date=3 September 2019}}</ref>. This should be the same for all of them. I hope that helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 19:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Eggishorn. Now luckily i do also have this little helper and to hover over the reference-number gives the link. As i found there is more info available on the internet than in this article, i will try to write an article myself. In the german wikipedia we do not have this "has exhibited there and there" but also want the year and a reference-link, so i would have to do this anyway. Thank you for your "detective"-work, it helped! Nevertheless i wished the formatting was "as usual" - giving the reference directly after the "ref name". Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 19:40, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

New article creation

hey is there a way we can request other editors to publish about an entity ? Usasoccernumber1 (talk) 19:55, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usasoccernumber1: If you have an idea for the title of an article, but no content for the article itself, you can make a suggestion at Wikipedia:Requested articles. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Deleting duplicate references and re-ordering references

Hi, how do you delete duplicate references and re-order them please? 2A01:4B00:F613:7B00:CDF2:91AB:AFD6:69BE (talk) 21:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. Are you referring to the duplicate reference that was present at Epidermolysis bullosa? I'll take a look and see what I can do to help. I see you've run into some issues defining the ref name; if you could hold off on editing the page for a second i'll try and fix it for you. Thanks, Zindor (talk) 21:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

What's happened is that the references you removed had short-hand names defined for them. Do you see where it says <ref name=NIH2018Diag> before the reference? That is a named reference, and it allows editors to invoke the reference in other places without repeating it, like so <ref name=NIH2018Diag/>.

I've defined a name for your new source. If your source is a more valid and reliable source, then you can replace the references you removed (and orphaned short invocations) with <ref name="nature1"/>. Otherwise please revert yourself and discussion your proposal on the article's talk page. I hope this helps, let me know if you need further assistance. Regards, Zindor (talk) 21:57, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I save my draft?

How do i save my draft, all i see is to preview then publish pages. I do not want to publish as yet. LordGriot (talk) 23:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LordGriot, welcome. If the page you are editing has a title starting with Draft: then just press 'Publish Page' and it will save your page as a draft. It won't become a mainspace article until an AfC and an NPR reviewer look at it.

I'd advise copy and pasting the contents elsewhere first (like into an MS Word Document) because sometimes server errors happen and revisions don't get saved. Regards, Zindor (talk) 23:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

ZIMM = Zimm = ZIMM

I wanted to change the page title ZIMM (a disambiguation page) to "Zimm" because 4 of the 5 Zimm's mentioned are names and the fifth one seems to have no ZIMM article but has something in German that has no "ZIMM" that I could detect. However when I went to move "ZIMM" to "Zimm" it I learned that "ZIMM" was a redirect from an earlier "Zimm" I guess I could just wipe that page (the redirect) out, but decided to ask first. So, I'm asking, "What do I do?" Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC) Carptrash (talk) 23:44, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Just edit the page. In between the equal signs is the title of the page. Edit that and Save! Hope it helps! UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Go to WP:Requested moves and make a request in the "technical moves" section. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Moving over the redirect wasn't a bad idea, and was arguably more fitting than a round-robin. Op ended up finding an even messier way of doing it. I've followed up on their talk page. I'll put an attribution template on the dab talk page to try and remedy that issue. Regards, Zindor (talk) 13:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I copied the attribution template you made to the source page, to alert administrators and RfD participants should anyone nominate it for deletion or tag it for speedy deletion. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 16:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia time and day

How do I change the time and day on my signature? UB Blacephalon (talk) 00:56, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

What are you asking? It's meant to be a time-stamp, in a standard format. You can change the "signature" part in your "preferences" but I don't think you can change the time part. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Blacephalon: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want your signature and other time stamps to show in your local time, there is a setting for that under Preferences>Appearance>Time Offset. The link to your preferences should be at the very top of the screen when you are logged in.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How to get participant in an RfC?

An RfC at Indian subcontinent looked initially like WP:SNOW, but then participation dried up, from both ends of the dispute. I have tried posting all relevant Wikiprojects (9 of them), but no result. I have also requested all the admins who took a look at the RfC to comment, no result again. How can I get more particpants in the discussion? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 02:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​ That is a relatively lively RfC, and it's only 4 days old. I'd say your RfC is doing fine. (To others: Note a parallell discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#How to get participant in an RfC?) – Thjarkur (talk) 09:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Should I also add a parallel discussion note at the pump? Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 11:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Aditya Kabir, no, it's not necessary in this case. But in general, you should ask one question at only one venue and only if you do not receive an answer after a reasonable time is it advisable that you ask elsewhere. When you do that, you should leave a note at the first forum that you're done waiting and have moved on to the first, and at the second forum that you came there after first trying at the first one. When you want to invite people to join a discussion, you should keep the discussion at one place, and notify all other places with a neutral message and a link to the discussion where you want input. Wikipedia:Consensus#Pitfalls and errors may be of interest, or even the whole page. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikimedia

From my questiom at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kaldari#Hello&question

Hello. I have a one question. Are wikimedia com. And the wikipedia encyclopedia the same or are they different. I noticed some photos there with no logo of your website which is wikimedia commons. Why theres no such logo that also links them here? If same then no question. If different then is the encylopedias governing freedom of pano principle the same or not? This question is with respect to my concerns at copyrighted philippine bldgs and sculpttures being shown in commons. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mrcl lxmna. The Wikimedia Foundation is the parent organization for Wikipedia in many languages and other free knowledge websites. Their website is Wikimedia.org, and they raise the money, pay for the servers, employ the programmers and outreach and legal staff. Wikimedia Commons is the project that hosts the freely licensed media files, such as photos and videos. Any concerns about freedom of panorama should be discussed there, not here on English Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Cullen328 for the answer. But my question actually is that if both commons and wikipedia encyclopedia enforcements of freedom of panorama rules are the same or different. Sorry for my unchanged wording, i just copied my question from your fellow moderator kaldari at wikimedia commons The wording shouldve been - some photos shown here do not have wikimedia commons logo, while others do have that logo that links them there. Why those photos do not have that logo and link to wikimedia commomd? And is the freedom of pano enforcements of both wikipedia and wikimedia commons the same? Mrcl lxmna (talk) 03:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, I am neither an administrator nor a moderator at Wikimedia Commons. Freedom of panorama is a matter of copyright law that varies significantly from country to country. All Wikimedia/Wikipedia projects are stringent about following the copyright laws of the country where the image/video was recorded. As for the lack of a link to Wikimedia Commons on some images, there are a few possible explanations. Some images are acceptable non-free images such as book covers, album covers, movie posters and the like. Such non-free images are uploaded here to English Wikipedia and not to Commons. Also, some editors disagree with certain policies on Commons, and upload freely licensed work here instead of there. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

So Cullen you mean it is OK to host photos of copyrighted bldgs and sculptures here on wikipedia? As long as it is not on wikimedia commons. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 04:01, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, no, I most certainly said nothing like that, and the examples I gave relate to very different things, namely visual identification of published works. Use of non-free images on English Wikipedia is strictly limited and described in detail at Non-free content/images. As I stated earlier, application of freedom of panorama for photos depends on the laws of the country where the photo was taken. Copyright violations are not permissible here or on Commons. A low resolution photo of a copyrighted sculpture may be permissible if it illustrates sourced critical commentary about that sculpture in an encyclopedia article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ummm. How about the bldgs? Philippines has no freedom of pano for both bldgs and sculptures. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 04:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Mrcl lxmna, as stated twice previously and now for the third time, the copyright laws of the country where the photo was taken are applicable. I have no knowledge of copyright law in the Philippines, but editors who specialize in copyright enforcement know about that, or know how to look it up. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Where can I ask about this matter? In what avenue, aside from your teahouse? Mrcl lxmna (talk) 05:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Mrcl lxmna. As pointed out by Cullen328, Wikipedia and Commons are separate projects with their own policies and guidelines. Some of these policies and guidelines might be the same or quite similar, but others might be very different. If you want to ask a copyright related question about a file that you'd like to upload to Wikipedia, you can try asking at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions; if you want to ask a question a copyright related question about a file you'd like to upload to Commons, you can try asking at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Ideally, if you ask the same question at each place you should expect to get the same answer, but each project has it's own community of editors and there's not always a 100% agreement over whether a certain type of file licensing is acceptable. The best you can do is ask, see what responses you get and then try and decide what to do from there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ok Marchjuly. I posted my concern at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Are_philippine_bldg_and_sculpture_0hotos_acceptable_on_wikipedia? But this concern is more of the wikipedia photos of philippine bldgs and sculptures with no wikimedia commons links and marks, if their hosting here is allowed by your administration or not which means no freedom of panorama also extends here. Mrcl lxmna (talk) 07:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Moved to WP:MCQ § Are philippine bldg and sculpture 0hotos acceptable on wikipedia?

 – -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:34, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

California mobile

When I load the California mobile view article on my Android phone, the tabs only go to Demographics, it doesn't load all of them, but when I reload it in desktop mode on my smartphone it shows everything. Why is that? I'm running the latest Chrome and Android versions both? 47.150.227.254 (talk) 03:11, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello 47..., it's working fine for me, so it's unlikely it's a problem on Wikipedia's side. Have you tried clearing the site data from your browser? Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Same symptoms here, but I don't know why. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Usedtobecool and David Biddulph:  Fixed Special:Diff/978266367 by OvertAnalyzer removed several tables and a {{Div col end}}. The desktop site renderer recovers better from this situation (an unclosed <div> tag), but the mobile site refuses to close the section and lumps the whole rest of the article under the Demographics section. So, I removed the (now unnecessary) {{Div col}} at Special:Diff/980640261. The mobile view now correctly breaks the rest of the content after Demographics into sections. (Thanks due to User:PerfektesChaos/js/lintHint) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks AlanM1! I had misunderstood before David's comment; I'd thought the OP meant sections before the Demographics. I just figured out that the culture and the rest of the sections were all lumped together and was checking if the {{TOC limit}} was to blame, LOL! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Link non existing page to existing page

Trying to link non created page words "skin electronics" to existing page "wearable technology"

May someone please explain how to link a page that's not created to an existing page?

Theirs no point creating a new page for it, as it's already covered under the existing page. Thanks again, SumeetJi (talk) 05:15, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello SumeetJi. There are a couple of possible methods for that. Please read Help:Piped link and Help:Redirect. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:21, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's working now thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SumeetJi (talk • contribs) 05:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Question on copyright for an article pdf

I found a 404'd link for a magazine article referenced in Persecution of Hindus. So I searched and found a pdf of the article, not on the website of the magazine, but just posted on the website of a Columbia University professor. Is this professor violating copyright, and would Wikipedia be violating copyright if we linked to it? I haven't been able to find any link to the article on the actual Frontline website. Assuming it can't be found, would you recommend posting the pdf, or just referencing the article without any link? Thank you. Shmarrighan (talk) 06:19, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Shmarrighan, I'm not qualified to answer your question as far as Wikipedia is concerned, although, given that the article in question was published by the Oxford Journal of Islamic Studies, it is almost certainly the copyright of either the journal or the author (Richard Eaton) or both, but not of the academic from Columbia who posted the PDF. But I did notice that Delhi Sultanate has a link to the same article; this in fact points to the journal's website which inludes a reference to the article, a one-page preview, and a link which subscribers may use to download the article. Maybe the link that you are asking about could point to the same place? Mike Marchmont (talk) 10:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont Thank you, I appreciate it! I'm curious, is there a Wikipedia tool or strategy that you used to find that other reference in Delhi Sultanate? Or did you just poke around and find it by serendipity? Thanks again. Shmarrighan (talk) 06:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Shmarrighan I started by trying to find the page at Columbia where Prof. Pritchett had posted the PDF. My thinking was that that page might have had some information about her source - for example, if she had permission to post the PDF or if there was sort of licence agreement between Columbia and the journal. In order to find that page, I did a Google search. My search term was the PDF's URL, preceded by link:. That didn't lead me to the Columbia site, but the search results did include the Wikipedia article I mentioned above.

I realise that this doesn't really answer your original question - about whether Wikipedia would be violating copyright if you linked to Prof. Pritchett's upload. Perhaps a more knowledgeable Wikipedian could answer that question.

Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Copyright of a person

Hello! I am making a page in wikipedia about a new band. Part of the infobox requires a picture of the band. As you may know by stalking my account, I have had constant operose copyright dilemmas. So i would ask today, what are the copyright requirements? I would provide the name of the band and a picture. Thanks Ice bear johny (talk) 07:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​It's not necessary to include an image in an article, infoboxes have many fields and you can choose which ones to fill in. It's best to assume that an image is copyrighted and can't be used if you did not personally take the image or if you did not encounter it already uploaded on Commons. – Thjarkur (talk) 09:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Oh ok thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ice bear johny (talk • contribs) 09:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ice bear johny Please don't think of editors looking over your (virtual) shoulder as stalking. Any time an editor asks a question at Teahouse, the hosts there may take it upon themselves to look at past article edits by the questioner, to see if there is a pattern of editing that might need improvement. Think of it as training wheels. Also as a spotlight. Hosts - and any experienced editor who has articles on their watch lists - are happy whenever new editors prove to be able to improve articles. David notMD (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ah that was only a flippant comment, colloquially referenced to today's facebook. Anyways thanks for letting me know that you can see (stalk but euphemised/in a trivial manner) my past edits. Way to go for me hehehe Ice bear johny (talk) 15:55, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ice bear johny, every single edit made by every single user is public on Wikipedia, except the ones that admins have specifically decided to hide (personal details, offensive abuse, etc.) Your history is at Special:Contributions/Ice bear johny. You can see anyone else's by changing the username in the same link. Along with your userpage and your user talk page, your contribution history is one of the most often checked when others come across you. There are further statistics pages that give metadata about your editing pattern and so on, also public. Basically, everything you do is not only public but also analysed endlessly by algorithms and summarised into multiple different kinds of reports. You might find WP:FOLLOWING of interest. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 13:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Compare user contributions in Wikipedia

Hello, I want to start a sockpuppet investigation but I'd like to know if there are tools I can use for comparing contributions of past sockpuppet accounts and a current sockpuppet account of which I am suspicious. In particular, I'd like to know if there are tools for searching contributions based on keywords instead of just a list of common Wikipedia articles, and see if there are similarities between the specific edits/contributions of the suspected account and those of the past confirmed sockpuppets. Thank you. Stricnina (talk) 07:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stricnina: I think you’re better off posting this on the Wikipedia talk:Sockpuppet investigations page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thanks, maybe I'll ask them later. Stricnina (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Stricnina: There is an extremely useful tool for comparing multiple users' account contributions, though not by keywords. See https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:46, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I was hoping for a tool that actually searches for common keywords or something like that, just to help me compare which edits are suspiciously similar. Stricnina (talk) 11:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

​No such thing exists yet, which I find strange given how often one has to do this manually at SPI. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:28, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Changing username

Is it possible to change my username from "Rhinestorm" to "oruc.emre.kaya"? It's from so many years ago and kind of childish. Oruç Emre KAYA 09:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Rhinestorm, hello! See WP:RENAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

How To Make It Reflect On Google

Good morning sir, and how are you doing today?... I have read and understand the terms and conditions of your platform... But the question now is how can we add images to our biography and also make it live on search engines 102.89.2.172 (talk) 11:04, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Who is "we"? Wikipedia articles are indexed, meaning any changes on Wikipedia will sooner or later also appear on Google. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Are you proposing to create a biography of yourself? If so, please don't. -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place like social media where people write about themselves; this is an encyclopedia that is only interested in what independent reliable sources say about you, not what you want to say about yourself. In addition, there are many reasons why a Wikipedia article is not desirable. 331dot (talk) 12:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

To add to Victor's reply, if there is an existing Wikipedia article about you, in time it will be found via a search at Google (and other search engines). May take as long as three months. Adding an image is a bit complicated, as copyright is usually held by the person who took the photograph, not the person in the photograph, meaning the photographer can add the photograph. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Prostitutes

Why?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=979907351&oldid=979881663
2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980594777&oldid=980594561
3. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Economy_of_Iran&oldid=prev&diff=980594867
4. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Yousef_Tabatabai_Nejad&diff=980451190&oldid=980427046
5. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fashion_in_Iran&diff=980451588&oldid=980441033

Baratiiman (talk) 11:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Baratiiman, if another editor reverts your edits, you should open a discussion on the article's talk page (see bold-revert-discuss) – Thjarkur (talk) 12:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(See also same complaint by user at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Recheck) – Thjarkur (talk) 12:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman You have been adding large amounts of content and some images to the article, the great majority of which have not been reverted. And you have rightly started a discussion on the Talk page about the content related to prostitution. I agree with the editor who reverted your content and reference. An appropriate addition on the topic - even though unwelcome by some - would present information on the prevalence of prostitution in Isfahan and the legal situation. Your reference on why people are prostitutes is not relevant. David notMD (talk) 13:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

David notMD not reverted yet, i have read versions from the page for past years and they had pics that were removed.Also about prostitutes can i just add subheading and related articles?.Baratiiman (talk) 14:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Baratiiman: You can use the talk pages for the various articles and post suggestions for additions and sources there. And then you need to participate in discussions and listen to other people (and not simply revert back to your preferred version if your edits should be reverted). Again, you need to follow the Bold-Revert-Discuss cycle and accept the need for consensus, even if you believe you are right. Thanks, --bonadea contributions talk 14:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

can you tell me whats wrong with beggar photo in poverty of economy of iran and why i should care?Bonadea Baratiiman (talk) 14:58, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

You can certainly raise that question at Talk:Economy of Iran. That is, you can certainly ask about the photo – the reason you should care is because Wikipedia is a collaborative project. --bonadea contributions talk 15:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Economy of Iran has no content about the practice of begging in public, so adding the image has not connection to the text of the article. I agree with the action of deleting the image. David notMD (talk) 00:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

As to prostitution, a better place to add content would be Prostitution in Iran. David notMD (talk) 00:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Third opinion

Please give a third and fourth and fifth opinion this edit by user https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&oldid=prev&diff=980612082 Baratiiman (talk) 13:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Baratiiman, I agree with the removal. Isfahan is a major city. I would be quite surprised to visit an article about a major city and see information about a fish unless references made clear it was iconic to people in the city for some reason. Calliopejen1 (talk) 13:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Calliopejen1This was the page one week ago, what people are you talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Isfahan&diff=980613429&oldid=976066006 Baratiiman (talk) 14:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm talking about the residents of Isfahan. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:07, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thats a rather odd thing to say, bearing in mind the clue is theoretically in the specific epithet (isfahanensis) and in the sources, and it is quite reasonable for an article to have a section on biodiversity (hugely overlooked in my opinion), and to mention iconic taxa like this one. That said, Baratiiman was quite wrong to have added it to the city page as it has never been found there! The content belongs instead at Isfahan Province, as that is where all three of its known world locations are situated (along the Zayanderud river), and not, as yet, in Isfahan itself. I feel the poster should have more carefully read and followed the sources (unless there are newer ones that I've missed showing it has since been located there?) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:30, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Article on illicit trade changed to a redirection

Hi, the article I created on illicit trade was converted to a redirection to the article on black market by another editor, who judged it was a duplicate topic. The discussion that followed with this editor can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MrOllie#Redirecting_illicit_trade_to_black_market

The question is whether illicit trade and black markets are two distinct topics that each deserve their article, or whether the two are sufficiently synonyms for the former to be a redirection to the latter. I would like to ask the input of other Wikipedians on whether there is detailed policy to address such matter (I could find not it). Also, what would be the best way to reach consensus: is it to start a discussion on the talk page of black market?

FYI here is latest version of the article on illicit trade: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Illicit_trade&oldid=974366109

Many thanks for your input, Factfox (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC) Factfox (talk) 13:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Factfox, what the other editor did was perform a WP:BOLD WP:MERGE. If the two of you disagree, you can revert it or ask that they revert it and start a proper merge discussion as outlined at WP:MERGE. There's no issue having that discussion with the merge in place either, but that could be confusing to some editors. So, it's best to revert articles to the stable version before your contested change took place and then have the discussion for the change. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Usedtobecool, this is very useful and exactly the input I needed. Best, Factfox (talk) 15:27, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool The other editor asked that I disclose my COI on this thread. I explained on his talk page that I do not have a COI with this topic , but I may be a connected contributor as I did some academic work on this topic. Factfox (talk) 21:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC) 

Factfox, I have not investigated the issue but if it's just about you adding references to your own academic work, please see WP:SELFCITE and abide by it. If someone challenges any of your citations to your own work, it is best to proceed as though you have a COI in trying to get that reference in, since you are unlikely to be able to be completely objective about the quality and relevance of your own work. That means you can make your case, seek broader input if needed, but should refrain from adding them back to the articles yourself once they are challenged.

I do not care to find out where you are employed and what that organisation's relationship is with "illicit trade". Since this is a general topic, I can't imagine any single organisation that you could be a member of that would make you ineligible to contribute to the whole of the article. But, if and when your organisation or its competitors become relevant within the discussion of the topic (this includes, for example, suggesting that one of the good approaches to tackling illicit trade is [insert one that your employer subscribes to]), you do have a COI and should refrain from adding such content to the article directly. I think there's a line to be toed here between the value you could bring as a subject matter expert and potential of compromise to WP:NPOV because of your close relationship with the topic.

Finally, if you reach an impasse on whether you have a COI and how much, there's WP:COIN to seek opinions, from other editors, about it. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

citation with a colon followed by a number?

What does it mean when a citation has a form like this: "[4]:253"  ?? I've seen this on the page about scientific racism.Truth is King^TALK 14:51, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Truth Is King 24, that's the page number where you'll find the exact claim. See Help:References and page numbers#Inline page numbers. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Truth Is King 24, it's the number of the page(s) in the book/journal/whatever used as ref. Template:Rp can be used for this. When you are citing for example a book several times in the article, it is useful if the material is on different pages. If your only citing the book once, it's unnecessary since there's a page parameter in the cite template. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:02, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk · contribs), Usedtobecool (talk · contribs) Thank you both. But, Grabergs, why did you mark your answer with an edit conflict notice?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Truth Is King 24 (talk • contribs)

It means they had not seen my reply before they had already typed in theirs and wanted to publish. It alerts other editors to expect some confusing things. It's not always necessary (like here where it isn't really that confusing; although, it's anyway more informative to have it than not), but it's a useful habit for those who regularly edit high traffic discussions. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:40, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

That. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Declined drafts vs Rejected drafts

Hello, I’d like to ask what the difference is between a “declined AFC draft” and “rejected AFC draft” is? Maka (talk · contribs) 15:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Declined Rejected is when the page would be uncontroversially deleted if it were an article, whereas rejected declined is when the draft needs improvement; see Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Reviewing instructions#See also. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Sure it isn't the other way round? AFAIK "declined" means "Eh, this is not yet ready for mainspace, please improve it" while rejected means "Sorry, this cant be improved to be an acceptable article, please stop wasting everyone's time. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:14, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, "rejected" is the more severe and suggests there is no possibility of an article. One or more "declines" is not unusual for drafts that eventually improve to be acceptable articles. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Ping Maka the Two Star Meister. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for answering while I was asleep; now corrected. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:49, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Page Creation

How do you create a biography page? Marchelle2725 (talk) 17:37, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchelle2725 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest task to perform on Wikipedia. You will greatly increase your chances of success if you first spend time editing existing articles in areas that interest you, so you can get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. I would also suggest that you use the new user tutorial.

Once you are ready, you will want to first review Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person(there are also more specific criteria for certain fields like musicians). If the person you want to write about meets the definition, and has significant, in depth coverage in multiple independent reliable sources, they may merit an article. You may use Articles for creation to submit a draft for review. 331dot (talk) 17:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchelle2725, I'd second the suggestions above by 331dot. You should spend time working on existing articles, gaining practical experience, while learning about notability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and verifiability. This is especially critical if you are eventually intending to write a biography of a living person. After you have gained experience you can submit an article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Hope this helps. Best wishes from Los Angeles,   // Timothy :: talk  21:06, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Examples of Excellent Pages

As I did my first edit (the township of Elumathur in India), I felt very inadequate at the task. I kept wishing that I had an excellent example of a page about a township. Is there a way find an excellent example of a subject?Pamich3 (talk) 19:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Featured articles. There are lists of featured articles on various topics there. Also try Wikipedia:Good articles, which are good but not quite good enough to be "Featured." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 19:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Pamich3, i had a skim through WikiProject India's FAs and GA's for you. I managed to dig up a GA article on a town called Kumbakonam, which incidentally is also in Tamil Nadu. You'll likely gets some good reliable Indian sources from looking at it. You can find the latest good article version of the article at this link. Regards, Zindor (talk) 19:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Pamich3, One thing I always enjoy in articles like this are the cultural sections. Festivals and community events, museums, libraries, community newspapers and magazines, authors and artist from the area, arts and crafts, cuisine, notabled local news events. They don't have to huge or famous (they do need sourcing), and they don't have to be unique to the community. I enjoy finding out what it's like to live in a community. The writing needs to be non-promotional. Usually, these articles contain a lot of dry statistical information (weather, elections, transportation, etc), which is useful, but not really interesting. Hope this helps.   // Timothy :: talk  20:52, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Pamich3: To expand a little on what Zindor wrote above, go to the talk page of the article to find the WikiProjects that relate to it (in the yellow boxes at the top). If you click to go to Wikipedia:WikiProject India in this case, you'll see a little way down the right side, a table of article assessments. If you click on GA, A, or B in the quality column, you'll go to the category listing the talk pages of articles at that quality level. Clicking on the numbers instead will narrow it down further by importance. I'd say mid-importance, B-class articles might be a reasonable starting point for a decent example without being too long or overly-complicated. The higher importance and quality levels will generally be longer and have more complicated features. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Singer

Hi Angus,

We recently submitted a page for Eloise Singer, would you mind detailing what references were unable to be accepted for publishing?

Thanks SF Singerfilms (talk) 19:39, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Singerfilms Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please read your user talk page for important information. Who is "we"? Only a single individual should have access to and be operating your account. 331dot (talk) 19:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Help on creating Wikiproject

Dear WP:TEAHOUSE, I am one of the contributors of the European Training network Of PhD researchers on Innovative EMI analysis and power Applications. This is a wikipage dedicated to disseminate knowledge regarding Electromagnetic Compatibility and Electromagnetic Interference on the basis of European Union's Horizon 2020 research program under the Marie Skłodowska-Curie grant agreement No 812753 [1]. Please, may you help me to improve it? I would like to turn it into a wikiproject such as [[2]], how should I proceed? Thanks in advance. Douglas Aguiar do Nascimento (talk) 19:47, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Douglas, I'm not quite sure I know what you're referring to with "WikiProject" here, your page is already a part of two WikiProjects: WikiProject Higher education and WikiProject European Union. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

I've posted my concerns regarding the article at Talk:European Training network Of PhD researchers on Innovative EMI analysis and power Applications#Purpose of this article. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:43, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

(Were you maybe referring to tagging the talk page with WikiProject banners?) – Thjarkur (talk) 21:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Settings

hi and good evening I just wanted to ask what will happen if I enable advanced mode in Wikipedia Alisha rains (talk) 20:18, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: I'm afraid I don't know which "advanced mode" you mean. What page and exact text of the option are you looking at? Is it something on a tab of Special:Preferences? Also, please don't modify your signature or attempt to sign manually. Just end your post with ~~~~ (I fixed your post above). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:23, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

It's this new thing: mw:Reading/Web/Advanced mobile contributions. Alisha rains, you can click that link to read more about it, it just gives you some more buttons. You can turn it off any time. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:36, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: Also, when you use the Ask a question button to post a new section here, you shouldn't sign at all – it has code in the pre-loaded text that it puts in the edit window that auto-signs for you (see the directions in the comments). Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Alisha rains: On a mobile phone you can look at and edit Wikipedia in one of two viewing modes: 'Mobile View' or 'Desktop View' (there's a teeny, tiny, miniscule, itsy-bitsy, almost invisible, unnoticeable and easily missed link at the bottom of every page to allow you to switch between viewing modes on a phone. But you'll have to look carefully or you might miss it.) Mobile View is really only for viewing content and basic editing on phone. It gives you extremely limited access to many of the tools desktop computer-based editors need and use all the time. But 'Desktop View' on a phone gives you everything, and I do a lot of my editing that way. But the 'Advanced Mode' is a nice halfway house for phone users who like the simple Mobile View', but still desire a bit more functionality for editing. There's a little slider button in 'Settings' which lets you turn it on or off, and it gives you easy access to talk pages, history pages, user tools and some other editing tools, too. Although I have had it activated on my phone since last year, I still prefer phone editing in 'Desktop View' - and my mobile is an iPhone 5S with a really small screen. I hope this helps - do give it a try, and let us know how you find it. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much guys for replying to my question I really really appreciate and for those that asked what button I am talking about it's the button you will find when you go to settingsAlisha rains (talk) 04:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Article needing image tag

I just added a free image (in the infobox) for A Modern Magdalen article. I also happened to notice on the article's talk page that there was a parameter in the portal box that tags it as needing an image for the article. Should I also delete that tag or is that something someone on the WikiProject Film group would do? I'm really new to all of this so don't want to overstep what should be done. Thanks! MarcusGarland (talk) 22:24, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello MarcusGarland, thanks for the image. Removing that "image missing" parameter is fine, I've done it now. Wikipedia of course makes it very easy to overstep, but you're mostly free to add WikiProject banners and to tinker with them when needed, almost no WikiProject is so active that it is able to keep their banners updated. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:41, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Thjarkur, thanks so much for your quick response and guidance. It's much appreciated and now I can add that bit to my learning curve! MarcusGarland (talk) 22:48, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Handling promotional edits

Basic question. On a bibliography of a living person, what to do when you find extensive edits, many of which are promotional, making it hard to suggest meaningful edits for objectivity? I have this article in mind ... Alfred Mutua  ... TruthHunterLe (talk) 23:35, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

TruthHunterLe, is it easier now? Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:17, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

TruthHunterLe, the content you added with these edits look overly negative at first glance. It is your personal responsibility to ensure all content you add or restore to a biography of living person complies with WP:BLP and all controversial, especially negative aspects, in BLPs should be handled conservatively. So please make sure, if you haven't already, that all such content follows WP:BLP and WP:NPOV, and has strong support of reputable reliable sources. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:33, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguations

Is is true that if a page title is followed in parentheses to denote that there is another page with the main title (ie. SpongeBob SquarePants (character) -> SpongeBob SquarePants), then the disambiguation reminder at the top of the page should only be on the one without parentheses in its title? If a character named after a series had their own page (like what I've provided an example of), I'm assuming it would be unethical to include the disambig reminder on the character page that links to the series page, and the latter is the page that should have it, in this case reminding the reader of the existence of the character page? Just a thought. Meetertound (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Meetertound, there are no ethical issues involved. Hatnotes are a navigational aid and we should put them where they are likely to be useful. In this case, it is highly unlikely that someone looking for SpongeBob SquarePants will end up by mistake at SpongeBob SquarePants (character) since nobody uses search engines that way, nor is anyone likely to put in terms like the latter into the article they are editing when they mean the former. But it can easily happen the other way around. Someone may be looking to read about the character and end up at the series page. A hatnote at the top tells them where the character lies. Similarly, an editor mentioning the character could easily link to the series page and not realise it. And the hatnote could help the reader who ends up at the wrong article following such links. WP:HATNOTE has more. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 03:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Interracial marriage is a mess

I don't know what to do with the wiki page interracial marriage. This page feels highly vandalized with many users pointing fingers at each other and at first I thought I knew who was in the right but now I don't know what to believe, I would personally try to read its history and fix the page but i'm currently really busy in real life and won't be free until around mid to late October, and even when I try my best to fix pages I often take the lazy way out or forget why I was trying to pursuit this edit in the first place and create a bigger mess than before, I don't know how to fix this page or help the users who fight with each other so I'm asking others to help, please -- Toby Mitches (talk) 01:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Well, we could always go back to the beginning. No, I am not being serious. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Toby Mitches. If you've got concerns about the article, you can be WP:CAUTIOUS and discuss them at Talk:Interracial marriage. This will give others who also might be interested in subject matter chance to give their opinion as well. You can also be WP:BOLD and try to improve the article yourself; if someone's else reverts your changes, just follow WP:BRD and WP:DR, and try to address the other editor's concerns through article talk page discussion. What you really want to avoid doing (even though I'm pretty sure you just did it by mistake) is essentially blanking an article like you did here; I know you immediately self-reverted, but that's the kind of thing that's going to set off all kinds of buzzers and alarms (i.e. attract lots of immediate attention) and possibly lead to some warnings being added to your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. To be honest you haven't really helped me, you have only stated the obvious, however this is my fault, I was should have asked a question instead of a statement, also I am aware that you shouldn't black a page, I did that by accident, I have no idea how it happened, but as soon as I saw what I did, I rushed back to editing and I fixed my mistake, I clearly didn't do it out of some malicious intent? instead what I should have asked is that I think their is a user who is abusing edits and I'd like to report him, he is sharing links relative to the topic but than editing the Wikipedia to suit his own interest, I would like to open a case against him, could you help me understand the process a little better and what will I be getting myself into? Thank you in advance -- Toby Mitches (talk) 03:25, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​ I think you should try and continue to try and engage in discussion with the other editor on the article's talk page; however, I don't think you should be so quick to categorize the other editor as a liar or vandal unless you willing to support such statements by providing actual WP:DIFFs as proof. Content disputes (particularly about contentious subjects) often become emotional and heated and when they do your best bet is to stick to discussing content by showing how the other editor's position or claims is not in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policy and guidelines. Just from looking at the other editor's contributions, their only edits have been to the article's talk page, not the article themself; so, you calling them a vandal and liar is not very WP:CIVIL at all and will likely only make it that much harder to resolve things through discussion.

Editor behavior can be discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (ANI), but should really be the last resort when the problem has gotten so serious that administrator interventaion is needed. If you try to go to ANI now, the things any administrator reviewing the situation is likely going to notice are as follows: (1) the other editor is trying to use the article talk page to discuss things (they might be doing so in a somewhat rude manner, but they're trying); (2) the other editor has done nothing to disrupt or vandalize the article; and (3) your response on the talk page to the other editor has been less than civil. At ANI, you will find your part in things being assessed as well; so, you might want to go back and WP:STRIKE out anything that might be considered a personal attack and just instead focus on the content being discussed. If the other editor refuse to participate in a civil discussion with you, then move to the next step in WP:DR. If their behavior worsens and becomes a serious problem, then perhaps only then you should consider going to to ANI.

FWIW, I do think some of the other editor's comments are also inappropriate and I will add a warning to their user talk page to let them know that they need to do better as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly. That is fair, but I'm being civil when accusing him of lying, as that is truly what he is doing, I do not know what else to call it, however I do see that claiming he has vandalized the page is unjust, but this is because I suspect he is sockpuppeting and I should have made that more clear when accusing him, therefore I'll need to fix my edit to better suit my case, however thank you so much, this was truly helpful and I appreciate this dearly, I will use your advice as my next steps going forward, truly thank you -- Toby Mitches (talk) 06:57, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Sunresh creating page

Help me to publish wiki page for online study web and android application. Sunresh (talk) 05:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I assume this is about Draft:Sunresh. This draft currently lacks independent sources and as such fails WP:GNG Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Article or Article Moved To Draft

I hope someone can answer me. Can someone please tell me why the article on 2020-21 FA Vase has either been deleted or moved to draft. Ta.

Courtesy link of article in draft: Draft:2020-21 FA Vase (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:29, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

From article edit history appears it was created as a draft, and submitted. David notMD (talk) 06:35, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The article was deleted on 27 September: (03:37, 27 September 2020 Liz talk contribs deleted page 2020-21 FA Vase (G8: Page dependent on a deleted or nonexistent page) (thank)) Gab4gab (talk) 09:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Question re missing first name of article

Hi. A simple question today: I noticed the page for poet/writter Tsering Woeser is entitled without her first name [3]. Not usual practice, it seems. Fyi, BBC and France24 also use her as a reliable source for current information on Tibet. What's the process for requesting the correction? Much thanks as always. Pasdecomplot (talk) 06:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)&nbsp

Pasdecomplot, hello! If it's your judgement that Tsering Woeser is the WP:COMMONNAME of this person, go ahead and WP:MOVE it. If you feel less sure, you can start a discussion on the talkpage first. If there's no reply for a few days, do what you think is reasonable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks @Gråbergs Gråa Sång, wasn't sure every editor could make the move. I'll look into it. Pasdecomplot (talk) 07:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Pasdecomplot, it's not every editor, but you are reasonably WP:AUTOCONFIRMed by now ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Greetings, I am new at this and would like help editing a page about the boardgame called PICHENOTTE

Hello, Regarding the entry for the boardgame of PICHENOTTE at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pichenotte I do have a 'conflict of interest', since I own the United States trademark for PICHENOTTE and have been making the game since 1997. Although some of the content is correct, this entry for pichenotte is very narrow in scope, has several inaccuracies and many statements without citations.

It also promotes a manufacturer, named as Pinnochi, which seems to be a violation of Wiki rules (?) and the manufacturer seems to be very obscure or non-existent. I am not trying to promote my business, but would like my customers to see accurate information on Wikipedia about the game of pichenotte.

With a friend, we made some changes last year, but, being newbies, we used no citations and the whole article we created was deleted. That was somewhat understandable, but it could have been the beginning of a collaborative effort instead of just wiping it out. Can I get help from an experienced, neutral editor to make this entry more correct or do I have to try and do it all myself ? I have a lot of citations and references now, and would like to work with someone who has an interest in promoting an accurate entry for the game. Thank you. Vlaad_Quebec 07:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Vlaad_Quebec 07:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThreeVictors (talk • contribs)

First, there is no "we" in Wikipedia. A friend may advise you, but you are the only person who should be making edits from your account. Second, please remember to 'sign' your comments bytyping four of ~ at the end. Third, editors who add content need to add citations at the same time. Fourth, your situation is actually paid, not just COI. See WP:PAID for declaring such on your User page. As a paid editor, you should refrain from editing the article directly. Instead, you should propose specific changes in a new section on the article's Talk page, so that an independent editor can decide to implement or not. David notMD (talk) 07:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hello, I am Fikry Muraza. I need help to get a page approved. I really hope for your support. Thank you very much! Fikry Muraza (talk) 09:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Fikry Muraza You asked about this at the AFC Help Desk, please only use one method of seeking assistance, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 09:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

The Conflict Of Interest declaration properly belongs on your User page, not the draft, but as the draft has been rejected, does not matter. None of the references meet Wikipedia's standard for establishing notability. I recommend that you request the draft be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I am trying to update the DOB one celebrity's Request

I'm trying to update the Celebrity's Date of Birth on her request. and I do have Visual Proof of her original DOB. so How I can submit that? Ufjohns (talk) 10:31, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Give a reference to the reliable source in which it is published; if it's not been published it's not acceptable for Wikipedia. David Biddulph (talk) 10:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Guidance at WP:DOB. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to How to approve my article Draft:Poojabishnoi

How to approve my article Draft:Poojabishnoi Naresh Prajapat 11:18, 28 September 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nareshprajapatmogra (talk • contribs)

@Nareshprajapatmogra: The draft still does not demonstrate that the subject is notable enough to have an article written on it. While David notMD did some cleanup, you still have yet to provide reliable sources to back up your claims, and the article still sounds promotional. In it's current state, it's highly unlikely to be approved. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 13:51, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Pooja Bishnoi This is WP:TOOSOON by many years. If she continues to excell at sports to the point that she participates in the Olympics, then and only then would an article be appropriate. Nothing else in the draft contributes to notability. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

John Walton Secondary School

I submitted the page below but was declined for reasons: Submission declined on 28 September 2020 by Theroadislong (talk). This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

Mama Walton (talk) 06:46, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Article text

The John Walton Secondary School was established in 1973 because of a growing need for a second coloured high school in Uitenhage at the time. The school was started by Mr.G.E. Jenniker, who was also the first principal, in a pre-fabricated building with hardboard walls, wooden floors and corrugated iron roof. The initial school was situated at the corner of Acacia and Papegaai Street. (Now part of C.W.Hendricks Primary School.) The school was named after Rev. John Walton who was a missionary of the London Missionary Society in India. He was also the founder of the Hankey Training School, the forerunner of Dower College. In 1978 the school moved to its current location at Rosedale Drive, Rosedale. From these humble beginnings the school rose from the dust and became a cradle that produced countless academic and sports achievers as well as leaders in various spheres. During the turbulent times of riots in the 80's and early 90's, John Walton played a significant role in the liberation struggle. During these times the school competed very strongly with other schools in Uitenhage and Port Elizabeth. It has been involved in numerous fierce sporting battles with its arch- rival Uitenhage High as well as other schools. Over the years the school has always been characterized for producing very competitive rugby and volleyball teams, and stood its own on the athletic track. In recent years the school has however struggled and currently finds it very hard to live up to its former glory days. This situation can however be improved by creating a bigger awareness amongst our community and especially amongst our former pupils. This fine institution has been instrumental in shaping who we are today. It is therefore only fitting that we should explore and nurture all possible ventures that will restore the pride that we carry in our hearts. SICITUR AD ASTRA!

References I want to add : http://www.johnwaltonsecondary.co.za/about-us/47-john-walton.html https://epages.co.za/john-walton-secondary-school-jubilee-park/ https://www.africanadvice.com/1365760/Schools/Eastern_Cape/John_Walton_Secondary/ Mama Walton (talk) 11:47, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Mama Walton, please don't post the text of the article here: just link to Draft:John Walton Secondary School. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the school says or wants to say about itself: it is only interested in what people who have no connection with the school have chosen to publish about it in reliable sources such as major newspapers, or books from reputable publishers. All the links you have given above fail at least one of being independent, reliable, and having significant coverage of the school.

For one example of the problem, if I look at the text you have written above: "was established in 1973 because of a growing need for a second coloured high school in Uitenhage at the time", my question is, which person, wholly unconnected with the school, has said in a reliable publication that that was the reason for founding the school? Unless there is an independent reliable source, then that claim does not belong in any Wikipedia article. For another "This situation can however be improved by creating a bigger awareness amongst our community and especially amongst our former pupils" doesn't belong in any encyclopaedia article anywhere: it is not the business of an encyclopaedia to argue for anything, no matter how virtuous. Equally "this fine institution" is utterly out of place in an encylcopaedia. What a Wikipedia article does is to summarise what independent reliable published sources say about a subject, nothing more. --ColinFine (talk) 15:34, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Turning URLs blue!

Hello - I'm very new to Wiki and learning slowly. I've edited a page, and added new footnotes for the page on John Pinney. One of the existing URLs (note 12) in the References list is in blue, but the ones I've added aren't, and I can't work out why. Can someone tell me? Ruthhenrietta (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Ruthhenrietta (talk) 12:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ruthhenrietta: The blue text that you see are links to the citations, you might find Wikipedia:Citing sources helpful, additionally I'm including a link to the page Template:Cite book which has the script you would need to cite books. I've adjusted two of your sources for you to give you a head start, and use for an example. I hope this helps. Coryphantha Talk 12:40, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Ruthhenrietta. You need to provide a url for a source if you want it to appear blue in the "References" section. It looks like you've cited some sources, but haven't didn't provided any links to where they can be viewed online; this is perfectly OK to do per WP:SAYWHERE because sources aren't required to be available online as long as they're reliable. The reason John Pinney#cite_note-12 is blue is because a link for the source has been provided; the reason John Pinney#cite_note-4, John Pinney#cite_note-10, and John Pinney#cite_note-11 aren't blue is because no url has been provided for those sources. The principle works essentially the same as that for internal links (i.e. WP:WIKILINKS); if I simply type "John Pinney" without providing a link to the page, all you get is "John Pinney"; if, however, I provide a link for "John Pinney", it will be in blue as "John Pinney". -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:43, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Coryphantha @Marchjuly - I'm beginning to realise that getting the citations right is about 100 times more difficult than writing the article itself.. and I can't remember how to tag you in my reply - apologies Ruthhenrietta (talk) 14:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried using the VisualEditor to insert references? See here, if you have a URL it can automatically create a linked citation for you. And if you're linking to a book on Google Books, this tool can automatically convert them to a citation for you. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

How AmI supposed to write

If I am not supposed to write from other websites, how can I write it myself with no help. NuvolaBrain123 (talk) 14:28, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​You'll have to first read the source and then summarize in your own words what the source says. One thing you could try if you're having trouble paraphrasing: Find a few sources and create a list of all the basic facts they contain (add them as a source for each line). Then, take those facts you've just written down and write prose around them. This often works better on Wikipedia than elsewhere because we write in a short summary style. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:36, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Watch out for self-published sources though, Google Sites and Steemit aren't reliable sources. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:38, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Team

is there a way that I can make a team? AbinadiDanvers (talk) 14:59, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello AbinadiDanvers, could you be more specific? Do you mean that you want to write an article about a sports team? – Thjarkur (talk) 15:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

no I want to know if you can make a team of editors?--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 17:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

​People usually just work by themselves on things that interest them. They can use talk pages to discuss content when needed. You can also see WikiProjects, for example WikiProject Military history, where people can discuss improvements to a broader set of articles. It would probably be quite hard to mantain a team here since it usually just comes down to yourself to be WP:BOLD and improve articles by yourself. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

no I mean editing the content of the page`s and how stuff looks. But I will see what you say tomorrow I got stuff to do, goodbye.--AbinadiDanvers (talk) 17:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, AbinadiDanvers. That depends on what you mean by "a team of editors". Each individual editor must have his or her own account, two or more different people must not share the same account. Editors can choose to work together. Indeed the various WikiProjects are in a sense teams of Editors. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory and linked pages for a list of existing projects, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals for where to propose a new project.

Editors can agree to work together in other ways than a project, as long as each editor has a separate account. It is best to create a page where the editors involved can discuss whatever they are working on. I can help you do that. I would need to know what the team planned to work on. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Yell

I am a relatively new editor. I have been updating this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yell_(company) with company news that is in the public interest and published in the national media.

Another editor, from an anonymous IP address and presumably working for Yell is repeatedly undoing my updates as soon as they are published.

I find the wikipedia guidance on these disputes pretty confusing and would appreciate any advice on how to stop this page vandalism.

Richdanny (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC) Richdanny (talk) 15:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Richdanny, and welcome to the Teahouse.

First of all, you have no evidence that the IP was workign for Yell, nd should not make such an accusation without evidence. The edits that were reverted did not properly cite sourfes, adn might havbe ben reverted for that reason alone.

You have now added sources in proper form, and the matter has now been discussed on Talk:Yell (company). I have removed the inline external links which you had left in place. I will say that the sources you added are less than wonderful, but that can better be discussed on the article talk page. If there are further reverts you can raise the matter there. Note that a revert is not always vandalism, although ideally a revert would indicate the reason, at least briefly. If there seems to be persistent vandalism, it may be reported at WP:AIV or a request for page protection may be made at WP:RFPP. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:09, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Formation date of Sunderland AFC

I note the reply to an earlier question of mine. Sunderland AFC have put out this statement at:- https://www.safc.com/news/club-news/2020/september/on-this-day-in-1880

I repeat, no matter what is claimed by the organisation they have no primary source material from 1879 on this. None exists. if you take a look at the link on the page that 'confirms' 1879 you will see it is to a page that goes back to 2010 and which has never been altered since and which, is to all intents and purposes, dead.

Meanwhile, there is primary source material from 1880 on this with the Sunderland Echo of 27 September carrying a report of the teachers meeting two days earlier that states 'the teachers have FORMED a football club'

A more accurate report on the club's formation date would start by saying at the meeting of 25 September 1880 the club was formed ..... some people have claimed the club was formed in 1879 and have pointed to an article in 1887 and later in 1929 as indicating this is the case.

I don't wish to labour this point but I am acknowledged as a football historian, I have written numerous football history books and Sunderland is my own team of many years. MarkMetcalf (talk) 16:00, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

This was asked here as recently as four days ago. Start a discussion at Talk:Sunderland A.F.C.. I will post a note to the football WikiProject as well to let them know of this question. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Nic Dunlop

Dear Sir or Madam,

I didn't realise I couldn't edit my own wikipedia page and now there is a template saying that 'major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view'. Everything on the page is now up to date and factually correct. Can you help me clean it up?

Many thanks and I look forward to hearing from you,

Nic Dunlop Nicdunlop (talk) 16:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

I did not see anything that required cleanup as such, practically the entire article was written by another editor. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:44, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Adding images

How do i insert images to my story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foodboy1 (talk • contribs) 16:41, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Section header added. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 16:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Foodboy1. What do you mean by "story"? This is an encyclopedia and we do not have stories. Adding images is very complex, so please describe the image you want to add and where you found it. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:52, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Foodboy1's draft Speedy deleted. David notMD (talk) 17:53, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Images and pictures

How does one add images and pictures in their writings? 105.232.25.195 (talk) 17:42, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

This should help you Wikipedia:Images TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:24, 28 September 2020 (UTC)