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A barnstar for your patience in helping people

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You have the patience of Job when you help editors with technical problems, and I thought you deserved some formal recognition for it.--Bbb23 (talk) 12:29, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How do I get my location unblocked?

Hi Xaosflux, could you help me unblock my location? And also, why did I get blocked? I'm just using my account in another location so I could add this.UserAV666 (talk) 08:36, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@UserAV666 your account has never been blocked here on the English Wikipedia. Some network ranges are blocked, but they are not specific to you. To look in to that, we would need the exact details of the block message you are seeing. — xaosflux Talk 09:27, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh...Well yes I checked and I'm not blocked anymore!:D I was blocked a few days or weeks ago, but now I'm not. The only thing that I remember is that it said that most people who see this did nothing wrong. Then I only understood that my location or account was blocked and I tried to edit in another area of where I live and it worked. So I thought my location was blocked. Now I can edit in where I live. And also, where did you see that "I've never been blocked before"? UserAV666 (talk) 11:30, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@UserAV666 see Wikipedia:Blocking policy for a lot of information about blocks. In general there are 2 main types of blocks: (a) Blocks of a user account; (b) Blocks of a network address. Blocks of a user account are about a specific user - you can see your own block log (it is empty) here at Special:Logs. Blocks of a network address impact anyone that happens to be using that address, and can happen for many reasons - depending on how you access the internet your network address could be shared with thousands of other people or more - especially if using a VPN or other "private browsing" software. — xaosflux Talk 13:12, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T337201

Hi there @Xaosflux,

Once again, I want to thank you for your reply on TSventon's talkpage. Even though I could not figure it out, I think it was good advice. I do want to ask about machine translation, as I'm not sure what my problem is. Basically, I'm in the process of translating articles from the Russian Wikipedia onto here, but even though I try my best to work the phrases/sentences into logical English, it still shows up as being "machine translated". For example, I have one translation in progress that is 60% complete, but it shows 100% machine translated. As a disclaimer, I use Google Translate for assistance but only when I absolutely have to. Is there a way to find out why it's being flagged like this? Please let me know. Thanks again for any help you can provide. Losipov (talk) 05:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"machine translation" isn't enabled here, so I'm a bit confused you are seeing that specific warning here. Are you seeing that inside of the translation page? Check the address, does it start with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation?? — xaosflux Talk 10:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, it does not appear to be that specific one. Here is the exact link I have: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ContentTranslation#draft
When I hover my mouse above a translation, it will have two numbers: "x% translated, y% from machine translation". It's weird because for some translations that I check multiple times, I will have 0% machine translation one time and then all of a sudden it shows I have part of it machine translations. Seeing that machine translation isn't available here, I'm also confused. Losipov (talk) 17:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Losipov are you sure you are translating to English? I would expect that if you are translating in to another language. — xaosflux Talk 19:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. All of the translations I've done (and are currently doing) are to English. Losipov (talk) 20:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Losipov that is odd, as machine translation isn't enabled here. When you started the translation, were you on another project (such as the source project)? — xaosflux Talk 20:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If by "project source" you mean editing other articles in different tabs, most likely not (at least not that I can recall). I don't know what I'm doing wrong for it to happen. Do translations have to be extremely precise? Because on the Russian Wikipedia the articles are written in a different way than here. So, it's not exactly in that style but still I try to translate as accurately as I can. Losipov (talk) 00:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Losipov I'm trying to duplicate the issue, but need to know the exact steps you are doing that lead to where you are. When you decide to translate something, can you tell me what you do, step by step? For example: (a) Go to the article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple (b) Click Translate (c) .... ;; especially if (a) is starting on another site such as https://ru.wikipedia.org
Thank you! — xaosflux Talk 01:21, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an example. I go to "Contributions" and click on "Translations", and pick articles to go through. If you want, the article "Artik & Asti" from the Russian Wikipedia might be the easiest to show my problems (in fact, that's the article I was referring to when I said 60/100% in the original comment. I click "add translation" for some sections like the tables, and just fix them up with English translations wherever necessary. When I exit and hover over the progress bar, it shows that it's somehow machine translated (for that specific article, it shows 100% machine translated). Is it a problem with the templates? I'm not sure. But those are some of the steps.
Here's the article, by the way: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artik_%26_Asti Losipov (talk) 03:02, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Losipov that may be a display bug, we don't have machine translation turned on here (it's not automatically trying to translate the text is it?). Will it let you continue? — xaosflux Talk 03:38, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You could get the error about "unmodified text" that has a comment about Automatic translation is provided only as a starting point. Make sure that the content is accurate and reads naturally in your language. Your translation cannot be published without further editing., if there are many templates/etc. — xaosflux Talk 03:41, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Before I respond to your latest replies, I do want to point out something that happened very recently. I published the page Sayonara detka within the past hour, and up until the moment I published it, it showed "80% translated, 0% from machine" or something like that. I made one final translation of something minor there, and when I go back to check out the final result in Content Translation, it shows "88% translated, 20% from machine" (or something like that). Keep in mind it's a short article, so I don't know what the problem is.
Now to your latest replies:
1) Yes, I can keep working on that translation. 99% of time it doesn't automatically translate; only for some templates it does (Example: On the Russian Wikipedia for the article Lesha Svik, it shows critics reviews. And those almost always automatically translate if I click on "add translation". Here's the article: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%BA,_%D0%9B%D1%91%D1%88%D0%B0)
2) I do get that message constantly. I always make it go away with edits though (ie: I translate enough to the point of it going away automatically). Again, it's confusing why the machine translation message is there even when its disabled. Losipov (talk) 03:59, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Losipov if you look at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-personal, under internationalization, what is your language set to here? — xaosflux Talk 04:01, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's English.
By the way as a side note, thanks for trying to help me. I greatly appreciate it. Losipov (talk) 04:03, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Would you upload a screen shot of the warning that says machine translation please? — xaosflux Talk 09:49, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A screenshot of a translation showing 60% translated, 100% from machine translation
Artik & Asti translation progress bar
Losipov (talk) 15:36, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize if the screenshot comes out wonky, but that's what I'm seeing. Is this normal? Let me know if you can't see the screenshot by the way, or if you need more of them. Losipov (talk) 15:37, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Losipov: thank you for the screenshot, this appears to be a software bug. I've opened bug ticket: phab:T337201, you may subscribe to that for updates. You may be able to publish your draft translations even if that value is still there. I suspect what is happening is that the label on that is wrong, and it is actually reporting the "unmodified text" value, not the "machine translated text" value. — xaosflux Talk 15:50, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So there is nothing "wrong" with my translations correct? That isn't supposed to happen? From the looks of it it shouldn't. I had another question in the meantime. Oftentimes when I do translations and leave the articles, the place of the text will move to the wrong spot. For example, if there's a section titled "Music videos" and I made another section name somewhere else in the article (like "History" or something). This happens pretty frequently and I'm not sure why that is. It's not that big of a deal, but do you know of a solution to this? Losipov (talk) 19:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Losipov the draft translations are private, so I can't see if there is something "wrong" or not, but I'm guessing that counter is counting something else. If you reuse a section that is the same template with the same template content, it may say it is 'untranslated'. I'm not sure how the section titles work in that tool, I haven't done much in that area. I would expect that almost anything coming out of the translate tool would require some manual cleanup once it is published -- why it is always best to publish to a sandbox first, finish the cleanup, then move the article to mainspace in my opinion. — xaosflux Talk 20:57, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Xaosflux Ok, I get what you're saying. If I publish it in the sandbox, will it still have the article attribution (ie: It shows that the article was translated from another Wiki)? That might be a better route, now that I think about it. It's just that the charts/tables I put in get messed up somewhere along the line, and other editors are able to fix them. Not all hope is lost there lol. Losipov (talk) 05:34, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Losipov oh yes, it will be exactly the same if you publish initially to a sandbox or mainspace. — xaosflux Talk 09:03, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Xaosflux so one of my translated articles was deleted, but I asked the editor who deleted it to bring it back into a draftspace. If I edit the translation and publish it into my draftspace, will that create a duplicate or will it replace what currently exists there? If you know, of course. Thanks again. Losipov (talk) 21:06, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    And I apologize if this thread is unnecessarily long lol. I did not envision it being this way. I do appreciate your advice though; it's very helpful. Losipov (talk) 21:07, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Losipov you should wait for them to undelete it and move it, then you should just edit it directly. — xaosflux Talk 22:35, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Testwiki

Hey, can you restore my testwiki +sysop again? I want to do some tests related to MediaWiki talk:Captcha-addurl-whitelist#Protected edit request on 11 April 2021 (and a few other things). Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Suffusion of Yellow  Done — xaosflux Talk 19:44, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:46, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
...aaaand it seems link handling on testwiki is totally broken, see phab:T337149. I guess I'll try again later. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:40, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Suffusion of Yellow of course it is .... — xaosflux Talk 20:42, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
At risk of hat collecting, can I also have +sysop on test2wiki? I'm not totally sure of the answer to this question. But assuming my theory is right, test2wiki should be unaffected. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Suffusion of Yellow ok. — xaosflux Talk 20:52, 21 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I found a user advertising in this talk page https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Yello_Mobile please remove it, thanks Notrealname1234 (talk) 16:56, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Notrealname1234 that doesn't require an administrator, see Help:Reverting for how to undo something. — xaosflux Talk 17:11, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Edit request not answered yet

Hi Xaosflux, I noticed that my interface protected edit request in User:Shadow of the Starlit Sky/common.js isn't answered yet. Can you please look over it if possible? I'm asking you as you are a sysadmin. -- Shadow of the Starlit Sock 14:19, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done — xaosflux Talk 14:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Interlinking help

Hello Xaos! :)

Can you help me with a small change related to an interlink?

Check sq:Stampa:Faqja kryesore/Mbyllja and click Wiki-Burimet. It sends you to the general mainpage of the Wikisource mainpage. It should instead send you to this? I'm not well informed on Wikisource and that link above does look strange but maybe that is the right place where it should lead? (Shqip=Albanian) If so, any idea how to change change the template? - Klein Muçi (talk) 02:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Klein Muçi looks like that is getting links from w:sq:Stampa:Sisterprojects layout; unlike some of the other links there, there is no "sqwikisource" project so you should probably format that one like you did for the wikispecies link. — xaosflux Talk 02:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you try doing the said change? I lowered the protection from that template. I've tried doing that in the past but failed to accomplish it. :/ — Klein Muçi (talk) 05:55, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi looks like that is only used on Faqja_kryesore, you just want the wikisource link to go to that page on wikisource? Or is this template going to be used on many pages and need dynamic output? — xaosflux Talk 11:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are right. That template serves only as the main page footer for the sister projects of Wikipedia. — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:13, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi I tried a little bit, but didn't solve this yet - no more time right now. Looks like some problems in w:sq:Stampa:Sisterprojects layout. I'm not quite sure what you are trying to do there, it looks like you are trying to send your readers to all sorts of different links on the sister projects based on their interface language (as opposed to just linking to the sq-xxxx projects). Is that your intention? If not those templates look severely over complicated. — xaosflux Talk 15:51, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really sure... I remember I've copied that template from somewhere with the exact same name (maybe EnQuote). The idea is to send readers to the Albanian versions of localized projects (and to the general ones if no localized versions exist, like in the case of Commons, Wikidata, etc.) I don't know what exactly is going on with Albanian Wikisource... — Klein Muçi (talk) 16:38, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi may want to simplify that, all that copy-paste dragged a lot that you don't need in there. You mentioned "Albanian Wikisource", however there is no such thing. For example, there is an English Wikisource and a French Wikisource. You are wanting to just link to some subpages on the interlanguage-wikisource. (wikisource.org). — xaosflux Talk 16:58, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would simplify it if I knew how to do that while preserving the current state. As for the Albanian Wikisource... So that's only a weird experiment someone has done in the past ? :P If that's the case, maybe linking to the wikisource.org is good enough. — Klein Muçi (talk) 17:45, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi I'm not familiar with how language groups organize on wikisource, may want to ask someone over there. As far as your template, I don't think you need any of those conditionals, layered project names, etc - since all you want is a set of static links, someone from your project may be better off forking to a new page instead of trying to drag all that overhead from some other project over. — xaosflux Talk 19:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Editor Interaction Analyzer

Hi, lately I've noticed problems with the above tool. Take a look at this comparison. It says that there is no page intersection, which is wrong. I'm not sure how many, but here are two: Draft:Riyad Al-Qasbaji and User talk:Dr-Vivoo. Is this a known problem? Should I report it and, if so, where? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 it looks like that tool is maintained by Σ, they would be the only person that appears to be able to help with it. You may want to try this similar tool that has more maintainers: meta:Community health initiative/Interaction Timeline. — xaosflux Talk 14:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This stuff really wears me out. Σ hasn't edited in almost a year. With great difficulty, I set up the so-called health tool, and it shows "no results". See here. Did I do the set-up wrong?--Bbb23 (talk) 16:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 I'm assuming you are expecting to find Hassan El Asmar? It may be not showing as the replication lag is almost 3 days behind right now. — xaosflux Talk 16:20, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I assumed I'd find more intersection than that, but after glancing at some other pages, the intersections occurred on May 26, at the earliest. I can't interpret the link to the lag you provided, but I'll take your word for it. Wouldn't that also affect the EIA? Is the lag unusually behind recently because that might explain why EIA has been working intermittently lately.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 yes, 83 hours is unusually long, it will likely settle down during the week. — xaosflux Talk 16:53, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So, should I take from this that EIA's results may be incomplete depending on the lag? When you say it will probably settle down, do you mean that the lag will go back to "normal", or is there a new longer normal? Just trying to figure out what to expect.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:41, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 if I recall correctly, the tool data base replica is usually <12 hours. Check back with that link above later in the week - if it persists being many days long for a while we can open a ticket. — xaosflux Talk 19:01, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As usual, many thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-22

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Problems

  • For a few days earlier this month, the "Add interlanguage link" item in the Tools menu did not work properly. This has now been fixed. [5]

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My Three May Requests

I did NOT clogged up the edit request queue. I made three requests in the span of three days with very reasonable, clearly described, X to Y requests, and have had multiple successful requests to other protected, active admin pages. User:AnomieBOT/PERTable has not had more than 11 active protected page requests at one time. Hardly a busy list.

On the request instructions, it states "If you have noticed an error or have a suggestion for a simple, non-controversial change, you can submit an edit request by clicking the button below and following the instructions. An administrator may then make the change on your behalf. Please check the talk page first in case the issue is already being discussed". It does NOT state that admin pages are off limits. Nor should it. Admin pages should be held to the same standard as other userpages, and if an issue is known, there should be an avenue to rectify the issue. These protected page requests ARE this avenue.

If there is a rule for only one request at a time, I am unaware of this. Apologies for having three requests open on a slow week. I will do better with timing.

I know there is procedural denial for requesting pp reduction for admin pages, but requesting valid fixes are 100% permitted, as demonstrated by the multiple, unquestioned, similar clean syntax requests in the past month I've made to active admin pages. ALL of which were accepted, by multiple administrators:

Accepted by Izno: (CJCurrie), (Materialscientist), (Nihonjoe; some discussion), (SpacemanSpiff), (Cactus.man)

Accepted by MSGJ: (Starblind) (Mojo_Hand) (Versageek)

Timotheus_Canens himself: (Timotheus_Canens)

Other than the three pages you've marked 'not done', I've had NO rejected admin page correction requests.

I've cleared over three thousand of these Tidy Font errors on Wikipedia the past few months. My edits are clean, nonproblematic, and noncontroversial. Mediawiki's July 2018 change to RemexHtml rendered the <font>[[link]]</font> format of coloring links broken on many browsers (browsers affected default back to normal blue instead of displaying the user specified colors), and this issue is a highpriority WP:LINT error to fix.


If you disagree with the side note inquiry on User:Versageek/Talk/Archive/2, that's fine, it may be ignored. That's why I noted it as a side comment and not directly part of the request. I was surprised MSGJ lowered Versageek/Talk/Archive/1 since Versageek is Admin, but thought since there were the same errors on 2, 3, and 4 of the same user, I'd at least inquire if the same reasons for lowering 1 held for 3 and 4 so that I wouldn't need to make additional protection requests for this issue on those pages later on.

Nihonjoe has already permitted this type of request on his pages. If he wishes to directly review this change too, I welcome it. My request to one of his other pages earlier in May was the only one I've ever made that needed a discussion to pass, and it was due to our views and knowledge on ''' vs <b>. This discussion was smoothly resolved, and my requests was permitted with his approval. I don't see his Award list being any different.

Sure, User_talk:MastCell/Barnstars is a bit longer of a request, but one request for 7 X to Ys to clear a longer page of all issues seemed reasonable opposed to the idea of multiple single X to Y requests over a longer period of time. I consider and weigh my requests so they are reasonable. This is why I did not request changes to all the other, lesser issues on [User talk:Versageek/Talk/Archive/2]].

I ask that you reconsider these three requests, as I've followed the rules at WP:EDITXY as I have for all other requests, and these three requests are in line with others I've made for all admin pages; clearly defined, noncontrovertial syntax corrections that fix visually broken issues.

Thank you for your time, Zinnober9 (talk) 07:03, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The edit request queue serves as an important check against the protection policy, so patrolling it is an important workflow for other admins. I'm not saying there is anything intrinsically wrong with asking for these changes, but it would be more appropriate to just ask on the base usertalk page of the user - especially when you are creating an entire new talk page that will unlikely ever be used for anything else ever - just to hold that request. If the user is inactive, you could add an administrator edit request there (or if they are lengthy inactive, perhaps the page doesn't need protecting anymore and it would be better to request its unprotection). — xaosflux Talk 09:21, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Since you didn't object to change reason, just the method of how I went about requesting it, I wish you had just completed the requests and messaged me this info instead of declining them (because now I need to reference this conversation to confirm I'm not adminshopping on MastCell's and on Versageek's). But I will proceed with AERs on the talk pages for the remaining 5 protected pages with this error in User: space per your request of method used. Thank you for the reply. Zinnober9 (talk) 23:29, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

bot and page mover right

Hello. I was just wondering, do bots on enwiki have page mover access similar to auto-patrol? (on mrwiki bots have page mover access, but there is no special page-mover or "extended-mover" user-group there). Also, can bots move categories as well? or do they need to get page-mover flag? —usernamekiran (talk) 17:01, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Usernamekiran you can see all the permissions per group here: Special:ListGroupRights; if we have an approved bot that also needs something else, we usually just add the bot to additional groups. — xaosflux Talk 17:57, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
thanks. I looked at WP:User access levels, but I couldn't find the info there. ListGrouRights had that info. Apparently, bots are not added to "page movers" by default, but they can move category pages. Thanks again, —usernamekiran (talk) 18:11, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Usernamekiran Comparing Page Movers to Bots, bots do not have: move, delete-redirect, move-subpages, or tboverride. However in practice bots will generally also be in the autoconfirmed group, so they would pick up "move" from there. If a bot needed some of the other permissions, for example Special:UserRights/ProcBot, it will also be added to other groups. — xaosflux Talk 18:34, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Upload rights

Hi Xaosflux. I was hoping to upload an updated version of File:South Moravian Region CoA CZ.svg to Commons (per the request in the description), but it appears I don't have the requisite set of rights to do so. Could I kindly request the right to upload a newer version of that file on Commons? Much appreciated! Algum (talk) 09:02, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Algum go to commons:File:South_Moravian_Region_CoA_CZ.svg, check to make sure you are still logged in, then there is an upload new version control. If that isn't working, you will have to ask for help on commonswiki, perhaps here: commons:Commons:Help_desk. — xaosflux Talk 10:36, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I still cannot overwrite the file, unfortunately. I will ask for help on Commons, thank you! Algum (talk) 18:32, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Hi,I am anonymous user. बॉट has also added a description of Bangladesh Congress President Shirin Sharmin Chaudhury as acting president, even though he has not served as president.Others have added English to the official language of Equatorial Guinea. Other notes were added that Muhammad Ahmad Mahgoub, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Sudan, had served as President after I confirmed that he had never served as President. please pay attention to बॉट. By the way, it has progressed to an editing war. Please really help me. 240F:31:3402:1:44C6:DFA8:21CE:17C0 (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

To report a disruptive user, please see WP:ANI. — xaosflux Talk 13:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
bot-related nonsense
Another good way to bypass IP ban is to simply get a new IP address. One way to do this is to use a trusted proxy or VPN service, which will mask your IP address and your apparent internet connection.
The most common scenario of getting blocked by your server is trying to log in too quickly or with the wrong credentials too many times. Setting a time limit for the number of login attempts in most servers बॉट (talk) 07:09, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In this article, we'll examine IP bans in-depth and provide you with some helpful tips on how to prevent them बॉट (talk) 07:14, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about.240F:31:3402:1:44C6:DFA8:21CE:17C0 (talk) 06:32, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IPv6 पते को IPv4 पते में बदलने का कोई तरीका (*) नहीं है क्योंकि उन दो प्रणालियों का स्वतंत्र रूप से उपयोग किया जाता है। (* बहुत ही विशेष मामलों को छोड़कर जो बहुत कम ही लागू होते हैं, नीचे देखें।) आप वास्तव में IPv6 पते को IPv4 पते में क्यों बदलना चाहते हैं? बेहतर समझ के लिए एक मोटा सादृश्य लैंडलाइन बनाम मोबाइल फोन हो सकता है। कुछ लोगों के पास दोनों हो सकते हैं और आप उन तक पहुंचने के लिए उनके निर्दिष्ट नंबर (आईपी पते) दोनों का उपयोग कर सकते हैं, कुछ लोगों के पास केवल एक मोबाइल फोन है और कोई लैंडलाइन नहीं है (या इसके विपरीत)। आप IPv4 और IPv6 पतों की तरह एक लैंडलाइन नंबर को एक मोबाइल नंबर में "रूपांतरित" नहीं कर सकते हैं और इसके विपरीत। वे "6to4 नोटेशन" और "IPv4-मैप्ड नोटेशन" IPv6 के शुरुआती समय से विशेष उपयोग के मामलों के बारे में हैं। IPv4 लिंक पर IPv6 को टनल करने के लिए 6to4 संकेतन का उपयोग किया गया था, और IPv4- मैप किए गए संकेतन का उपयोग IPv6 नोड्स को IPv4-केवल नोड्स का प्रतिनिधित्व करने के लिए आंतरिक प्रतिनिधित्व उद्देश्यों के लिए किया जाता है। ऐसा कुछ भी नहीं है जो आपके लिए मददगार हो। आपके उद्देश्यों के लिए, लंबे IPv6 पते पुराने, छोटे IPv4 पतों की तरह ही हैं। वे एक ही उद्देश्य की पूर्ति करते हैं, वे बहुत बड़ी पता सीमा के कारण अधिक लंबे होते हैं। बॉट (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remembering password when IP is blocked

Hello Xaos!

In one of my wikiworkshops some weeks ago I remember encountering a rather unexpected behavior in 2 of my attendees: They had forgotten the password and were trying to go through the "I forgot the password" method to log in with the email method. However they weren't being allowed to go through with that because apparently the IP they were using was part of an IP range block. I've tried researching a bit about this phenomenon around meanwhile but couldn't find much information. Is this a well-known thing? Is it "accepted"? It looked rather disturbing to me that one basically may lose control of their account if they have forgotten their password and had the bad luck of being part of an IP range block. Of course, one may ask an exemption and then go through with that but people who have forgotten passwords usually aren't that calm and no new user really knows how and where to ask for an exemption because they don't understand what's going on in the first place, or as they put it, "why was I blocked???". In my case both users ended up opening a new account straight away, without even letting me time to intervene and help. - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:29, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Klein Muçi it is the expected behavior. There has a been a little bit of discussion about changing it in phab:T109909, mostly stalled that there would need to be a global discussion in support. Password reset requests may be used to harass other users. It most cases, IP range blocks aren't "anonymous only" - meaning they won't be able to contribute even if they did log in. There are a few workarounds: (a) if the user has access to a non-blocked range, they can use that. (b) if the block is only on one project, they could use another project to do the reset (not useful for global ip blocks). (c) they could request someone else reset their password for them via off-wiki channels such as VRT or UTRS. — xaosflux Talk 13:59, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see... Unfortunately none of those options work for new users. They literally have no idea what's going on on the first place; I'd need to write novellas as system messages to explain to them what IP editing is, what IP range blocks are and how, because of technical reasons, they somehow can't request a password change, which maybe I would but that would kind of defeat the purpose of the block as it would come paired with instructions on how to evade it. (Security through obscurity is not the best way but it has been working for us in this matter.)
In the last 5 years, we have had only 1 IP range block active (we have discussed about it together in the past, if you remember). It is annonymous only. That has been enough for me to get contacted every 2-3 months on my social medias privately by random users who get the message "You are blocked by Klein Muçi" and get confused a lot when they see it. It takes me around 45 minutes to explain what IP editing and IP range blocks are and how they can solve what they're experiencing by just logging in (or creating an account), considering that the block is anonymous only. With the added variable of the blocked password reset the task becomes almost impossible, especially when considering people of a rather old age that have difficulties to use the computer to begin with.
And we're talking only about people that actually put in the effort to track me down online. There are many, many users that just give up as soon as they see the block message. This is a problem of IP range blocks themselves but the password thing makes it worse.
But anyway, I'll have to continue this conversation on the phab task, you already helped me in the right direction. Thank you! — Klein Muçi (talk) 08:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi yup, personally I think that we probably should either split that, or tie it to the "account creation" block flag there. — xaosflux Talk 09:23, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi if that goes nowhere, may want to bring this up at metawiki. — xaosflux Talk 09:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi just some notes workflow wise: if your ip is blocked and you can't do a password reset, the Special:passwordreset link shouldn't show on the log in page. Everyone gets the MediaWiki:userlogin-helplink2 link, which goes to mw:Help:Logging in. — xaosflux Talk 10:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What would be the general workflow for the Meta request though? Forum post referencing phab task? I've tried posting in Meta before but I've failed acquiring much attention in general. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:59, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi to get anywhere you'd probably need a global meta:Requests for comment - specifically asking for some sort of new standard. You could workshop it somewhere and ask for input at meta:Wikimedia Forum and various village pumps first. — xaosflux Talk 14:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tried with WM Forum. Let's see... — Klein Muçi (talk) 08:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

??

Nice to meet you, Im a anonymous user. I have never created an account.Do you have any questions about me. 240F:31:3402:1:44C6:DFA8:21CE:17C0 (talk) 10:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You may want to see WP:TEAHOUSE for help as a new user. — xaosflux Talk 13:50, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Signpost: 5 June 2023

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Remove User:Pahunkat from mentor list

Pahunkat hasn't edited since last year and is not on break. Special:ManageMentors Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Sungodtemple would you please drop an edit request here for this; I or someone will get to it. — xaosflux Talk 09:27, 5 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators' newsletter – June 2023

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2023).

Guideline and policy news

  • Following an RfC, editors indefinitely site-banned by community consensus will now have all rights, including sysop, removed.
  • As a part of the Wikimedia Foundation's IP Masking project, a new policy has been created that governs the access to temporary account IP addresses. An associated FAQ has been created and individual communities can increase the requirements to view temporary account IP addresses.

Technical news

  • Bot operators and tool maintainers should schedule time in the coming months to test and update their tools for the effects of IP masking. IP masking will not be deployed to any content wiki until at least October 2023 and is unlikely to be deployed to the English Wikipedia until some time in 2024.

Arbitration

  • The arbitration case World War II and the history of Jews in Poland has been closed. The topic area of Polish history during World War II (1933-1945) and the history of Jews in Poland is subject to a "reliable source consensus-required" contentious topic restriction.

Miscellaneous

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Tech News: 2023-23

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The RealMe extension allows you to mark URLs on your user page as verified for Mastodon and similar software.
  • Citation and footnote editing can now be started from the reference list when using the visual editor. This feature request was voted #2 in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [7]
  • Previously, clicking on someone else's link to Recent Changes with filters applied within the URL could unintentionally change your preference for "Group results by page". This has now been fixed. [8]

Problems

  • For a few days last week, some tools and bots returned outdated information due to database replication problems, and may have been down entirely while it was being fixed. These issues have now been fixed. [9]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 6 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 7 June. It will be on all wikis from 8 June (calendar).
  • Bots will no longer be prevented from making edits because of URLs that match the spam blacklist. [10]

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Request Regarding Global Usurpation

Hi Xaosflux, can I email you about a special request involving global usurps? Les Yper-Sound (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Les Yper-Sound sure, though I may refer you to renamers@wikimedia.org or somewhere. — xaosflux Talk 22:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. Thanks! Les Yper-Sound (talk) 23:41, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Image requested template

Hi, I saw you were one of the main contributors to the {{Photo requested}} template. I'm new to templates so was hoping you could help me with something. Specifically, adding a parameter for satellite images and adding a category for Satellite images requested. I've been uploading a lot of Sentinel-2 satellite images recently and I'd be nice to have a category for requests. I'm also sending this message to Swpb. PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 12:45, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PalauanLibertarian the place to discuss improvements to that template is Template talk:Photo requested, you could also ask a Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Photography. — xaosflux Talk 13:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks PalauanLibertarian🗣️ 15:27, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-24

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • The content attribution tools Who Wrote That?, XTools Authorship, and XTools Blame now support the Dutch, German, Hungarian, Indonesian, Japanese, Polish and Portuguese Wikipedias. This was the #7 wish in the 2023 Community Wishlist Survey. [11]
  • The Search Preview panel has been deployed on four Wikipedias (Catalan, Dutch, Hungarian and Norwegian). The panel will show an image related to the article (if existing), the top sections of the article, related images (coming from MediaSearch on Commons), and eventually the sister projects associated with the article. [12]
  • The RealMe extension now allows administrators to verify URLs for any page, for Mastodon and similar software. [13]
  • The default project license has been officially upgraded to CC BY-SA 4.0. The software interface messages have been updated. Communities should feel free to start updating any mentions of the old CC BY-SA 3.0 licensing within policies and related documentation pages. [14]

Problems

  • For three days last month, some Wikipedia pages edited with VisualEditor or DiscussionTools had an unintended __TOC__ (or its localized form) added during an edit. There is a listing of affected pages sorted by wiki, that may still need to be fixed. [15]
  • Currently, the "Sort this page by default as" feature in VisualEditor is broken. Existing {{DEFAULTSORT:...}} keywords incorrectly appear as missing templates in VisualEditor. Developers are exploring how to fix this. In the meantime, those wishing to edit the default sortkey of a page are advised to switch to source editing. [16]
  • Last week, an update to the delete form may have broken some gadgets or user scripts. If you need to manipulate (empty) the reason field, replace #wpReason with #wpReason > input. See an example fix. [17]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 13 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 14 June. It will be on all wikis from 15 June (calendar).
  • VisualEditor will be switched to a new backend on English Wikipedia on Monday, and all other large wikis on Thursday. The change should have no noticeable effect on users, but if you experience any slow loading or other strangeness when using VisualEditor, please report it on the phabricator ticket linked here. [18]

Future changes

  • From 5 June to 17 July, the Foundation's Security team is holding a consultation with contributors regarding a draft policy to govern the use of third-party resources in volunteer-developed gadgets and scripts. Feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome at Third-party resources policy on meta-wiki.

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GUTENN MORGAN MEIN GUT FRIENDS

YOU NAME GUD ME NME BED BAD SORRRRY NO ENGLIS HEHE ME NO COOCl 64.90.240.78 (talk) 12:51, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo. — xaosflux Talk 12:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nice German skills Xaosflux, I know a bit myself, Hallo. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 16:58, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Danke, Ich lerne. — xaosflux Talk 17:18, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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New bullet

There is a new bullet on account contributions pages:

• JavaScript-enhanced contributions lookup 0.2 enabled. You may enter a CIDR range or append an asterisk to do a prefix search. For IPv6, you must use capital letters for gadget matching; native contribution matching is not case-sensitive.

I don't understand what it's for. Was it announced or explained anywhere?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:45, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 I'm pretty sure that is coming from an opt-in gadget you have enabled, Allow /16, /24 and /27 – /32 CIDR ranges on Special:Contributions forms, as well as wildcard prefix searches (e.g., "Splark*") You can turn that of in preferences if you don't want it. — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Probably so, but I'm 99% certain the bullet wasn't there before on named accounts, and fairly certain it wasn't even there on IP contribution pages. I do use it on IPs to change the single IP contributions to a range, e.g., from 103.73.183.199 to 103.73.183.0/24 by clicking on the "Search for contributions" drop-down and typing in the range. But what would be the purpose of a CIDR range on a named account? And how exactly are you supposed to do a prefix search with an *? Are we talking about something like changing Xaosflux to Xaosflu*, meaning it would find all named account starting with Xaosflu? I kind of do that now but using "User rights" and not using the asterisk, meaning I would just put in Xaosflu, and it should retrieve all accounts starting with that. The gadget isn't new, and I knew I had it enabled as well, but the display is.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 hmm, ok - I can confirm it is coming from that gadget, I don't recall it showing on "named account" contribution pages previously, so this is likely a WP:ITSTHURSDAY thing. Please report issue at MediaWiki talk:Gadget-contribsrange.js; it doesn't look like there is an active maintainer for that gadget - but someone may be monitoring that page. — xaosflux Talk 14:11, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I put a pointer to this discussion on that page. Feel free to elaborate there if you wish. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:24, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm taking it back here for a moment because I don't think others are necessarily interested in my quasi-personal comments. I don't know what has to be done, if anything, to the gadget. My suggestion is that at least the instructions be clarified. Personally, I don't see the point of using the * feature, but I'll continue to specify CIDR ranges as always. To do that, I must keep the gadget on, which means putting up with the irritating bullet, but I'm sure I'll get over it. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 16:26, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The * feature is really useful for IPV6's — xaosflux Talk 18:01, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Recreating a deleted page

Hi, I'd like to re-create a previously deleted page. The article is about a well-known Indian television actress. Please assist.

Arjunsoumithran (talk) 16:39, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Arjunsoumithran the history of that page had half of one sentence on it, not worth recovering. However you are welcome to start an article on that subject. If you follow this link it will help you get started. — xaosflux Talk 18:05, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for helping me. Arjunsoumithran (talk) 18:15, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-25

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  • Flame graphs are now available in WikimediaDebug. [19][20]

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  • There is now a toolbar search popup in the visual editor. You can trigger it by typing \ or pressing ctrl + shift + p. It can help you quickly access most tools in the editor. [21][22]

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Tech News: 2023-26

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  • The Action API modules and Special:LinkSearch will now add a trailing / to all prop=extlinks responses for bare domains. This is part of the work to remove duplication in the externallinks database table. [23]

Problems

  • Last week, search was broken on Commons and Wikidata for 23 hours. [24][25]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 June. It will be on all wikis from 29 June (calendar).
  • The Minerva skin now applies more predefined styles to the .mbox-text CSS class. This enables support for mbox templates that use divs instead of tables. Please make sure that the new styles won't affect other templates in your wiki. [26][27]
  • Gadgets will now load on both desktop and mobile by default. Previously, gadgets loaded only on desktop by default. Changing this default using the |targets= parameter is also deprecated and should not be used. You should make gadgets work on mobile or disable them based on the skin (with the |skins= parameter in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition) rather than whether the user uses the mobile or the desktop website. Popular gadgets that create errors on mobile will be disabled by developers on the Minerva skin as a temporary solution. [28]
  • All namespace tabs now have the same browser access key by default. Previously, custom and extension-defined namespaces would have to have their access keys set manually on-wiki, but that is no longer necessary. [29]
  • The review form of the Flagged Revisions extension now uses the standardized user interface components. [30]

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CSS question

Hi!

Can you take a quick look at SqWiki's main page? The body is made up of 4 blocks which can have dynamic content (especially the 2 on the left side of it). Is there a way I can make them be always aligned with CSS? (Maybe by making them auto-increase the padding around content on the smallest blocks to match the content on the bigger blocks?) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:08, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Klein Muçi do you mean the vertical alignment of the left 2 with the right 2, such that they are a grid while they are in a 2x2 format? (Do you want the boxes to grown larger with a bunch of whitespace at the bottom of some of them if their side neighbor is much larger?) — xaosflux Talk 10:20, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Maybe the whitespace can be evenly distributed on both sides, top and bottom. Whatever is better for the eyes, really. I've tried reading around about finding a way on how to achieve this but I haven't been able to find much so I haven't tested anything to know what would work better visually. — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:25, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Klein Muçi I don't know of any "quick" answers to this. Suggest you build a VERY simple page with just 4 squares of various heights, a basic css, load the page with a ?withcss type argument --- so that you get a working sandbox not also tied in to everything else on the main page, then you could ask over at WP:VPT. — xaosflux Talk 10:37, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I will do that if I find the time to recreate that environment. Thank you for letting me know! - — Klein Muçi (talk) 10:57, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest searching online for references on CSS grid. As per the name, it's the best way to layout elements in a grid ;-). isaacl (talk) 21:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bureaucrat changes

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An Official Investigation

Disappointed

I want to submit an official investigation into what happened today regarding the two articles Draft:Khaled Al Saif, Draft:Sultan Bin Abdulaziz Humanitarian City and either the result of the investigation is that I am guilty and I am banned from editing on Wikipedia, or that the editors who treated me disrespectfully apologize to me and take back the article and a clear and frank apology on my talk page.

What happened was the clear disregard of the editors for people's minds and the use of their absolute power and acting as if Wikipedia belonged to them after fulfilling the conditions for the articles and talking to the help section in Wikipedia, and in the end they agreed with me on the note of the two articles. The editors come here and their words and their dealings differ. After advising the user @DoubleGrazing to apply for a revision of the draft to become an article, he deletes the draft and recklessly thinks about it. Is this a trap or what? After adding all the sources they want, he says that this is a paid article. As for the second article, he did not find anything that says except that this article was written by me in a publicity way. Deleting it from the beginning of the post I will not be sad, but I am saddened by the lack of respect he found here. I don't care about the two articles as much as I care about a clear and frank apology.

Here the answer from the User and the advice from him. John.GGVV (talk) 19:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@John.GGVV: Hello. I'm not volunteering to get involved in this matter. Here are some next steps for you: (a) If you have questions about speedy deletions the first step is to ask the deleting administrator. You may see this in the deletion log. Please note, as neither of the users you mentioned above are administrators, neither can delete pages. (b) You may also ask for page restoratio at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. To discuss the new page review process you may ask at Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 20:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Former administrators

Is there a way to see a list of all former administrators, or, better still, all desysopped administrators, or, even more precisely, all desysopped, blocked/banned administrators? I'm trying to remember the username of an admin who was blocked for socking (a good while ago) and, IIRC, said the reason he socked was because he was "bored". I think the username was a common Anglo-Saxon first name followed by some numbers.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:30, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Bbb23 Current admins with blocks would show at Special:Listusers/sysop. For the rest of what you are asking: not programmatically. Locally, we do have records maintained by editors at Wikipedia:Former administrators. You might be thinking of Edgar181. — xaosflux Talk 08:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Edgar181, I was close, I even thought the username started with an E, but the name that kept sticking in my head was Eric. Thanks! That aside, the first link in your reply just shows current administrators - I don't see how it shows current administrators with blocks. Something I'm missing?--Bbb23 (talk) 13:02, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 on Special:Listusers, anyone that happens to be blocked will have (blocked) listed on their line. There is nothing automatic on-wiki for "list only users that are blocked and are also in group x" - that could be done on quarry. — xaosflux Talk 17:50, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can tell, unsurprisingly, none of them is blocked. "Quarry"?--Bbb23 (talk) 17:54, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bbb23 a database query tool, example output (only good for 1 day from now) here. — xaosflux Talk 18:34, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you

The Barnstar of Diligence
I don't remember whether I've ever given you a barnstar before; if not, it's long overdue. Thank you so much for helping me time and time again, as well as helping many other users.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:19, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-28

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Recent changes

  • The Section-level Image Suggestions feature has been deployed on seven Wikipedias (Portuguese, Russian, Indonesian, Catalan, Hungarian, Finnish and Norwegian Bokmål). The feature recommends images for articles on contributors' watchlists that are a good match for individual sections of those articles.
  • Global abuse filters have been enabled on all Wikimedia projects, except English and Japanese Wikipedias (who opted out). This change was made following a global request for comments. [34]
  • Special:BlockedExternalDomains is a new tool for administrators to help fight spam. It provides a clearer interface for blocking plain domains (and their subdomains), is more easily searchable, and is faster for the software to process for each edit on the wiki. It does not support regex (for complex cases), nor URL path-matching, nor the MediaWiki:Spam-whitelist, but otherwise it replaces most of the functionalities of the existing MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. There is a Python script to help migrate all simple domains into this tool, and more feature details, within the tool's documentation. It is available at all wikis except for Meta-wiki, Commons, and Wikidata. [35]
  • The WikiEditor extension was updated. It includes some of the most frequently used features of wikitext editing. In the past, many of its messages could only be translated by administrators, but now all regular translators on translatewiki can translate them. Please check the state of WikiEditor localization into your language, and if the "Completion" for your language shows anything less than 100%, please complete the translation. See a more detailed explanation.

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 11 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 12 July. It will be on all wikis from 13 July (calendar).
  • The default protocol of Special:LinkSearch and API counterparts has changed from http to both http and https. [36]
  • Special:LinkSearch and its API counterparts will now search for all of the URL provided in the query. It used to be only the first 60 characters. This feature was requested fifteen years ago. [37]

Future changes

  • There is an experiment with a ChatGPT plugin. This is to show users where the information is coming from when they read information from Wikipedia. It has been tested by Wikimedia Foundation staff and other Wikimedians. Soon all ChatGPT plugin users can use the Wikipedia plugin. This is the same plugin which was mentioned in Tech News 2023/20. [38]
  • There is an ongoing discussion on a proposed Third-party resources policy. The proposal will impact the use of third-party resources in gadgets and userscripts. Based on the ideas received so far, policy includes some of the risks related to user scripts and gadgets loading third-party resources, some best practices and exemption requirements such as code transparency and inspectability. Your feedback and suggestions are warmly welcome until July 17, 2023 on on the policy talk page.

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2023 arbitration committee election RfC discussions moved to 2023 talk page

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Tech News: 2023-29

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Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 18 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 19 July. It will be on all wikis from 20 July (calendar).
  • MediaWiki system messages will now look for available local fallbacks, instead of always using the default fallback defined by software. This means wikis no longer need to override each language on the fallback chain separately. For example, English Wikipedia doesn't have to create en-ca and en-gb subpages with a transclusion of the base pages anymore. This makes it easier to maintain local overrides. [39]
  • The action=growthsetmentorstatus API will be deprecated with the new MediaWiki version. Bots or scripts calling that API should use the action=growthmanagementorlist API now. [40]

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Community Configuration 2.0

Hello xaosflux

I’m contacting you as you edited Growth features configuration in the past, using Special:EditGrowthConfig. This page is visible to anyone, but only a selected group of users can edit it and configure Growth features

The Growth team plans to create a Community Configuration 2.0, based on Special:EditGrowthConfig.

This new feature will allow local administrators to change settings for Wikimedia Foundation-designed features. This way, they can configure the different features to best suit their wiki’s specific needs. This strategy eliminates the technical barrier for admins, to customize local settings. This also encourages a more inclusive and collaborative product development process.

But, there are currently two primary limitations to Community Configuration:

  • Discoverability: Many Administrators are unaware of the existence of Community Configuration.
  • Usage Scope: At present, only the Growth features can use Community Configuration.

We plan to integrate Community configuration into MediaWiki, as a default feature. Other Wikimedia Foundation teams and volunteer developers will be able to create Community configurable features. We expect this central place to be more discoverable.

Before the Growth team starts this project, we are seeking feedback, to guide our efforts in the right direction. We are particularly interested in your thoughts on the following:

  1. How do you feel about more Wikimedia Foundation features that can be configured (enabled, disabled, edited) by Administrators?
    • Do you have any reservations or concerns about this idea?
  2. What can we do to ensure that all Administrators are well-informed about Community Configuration?
  3. How confident are Administrators in making changes using Community Configuration?
  4. Based on your experience editing Special:EditGrowthConfig, are any parts of the procedure unclear or ambiguous?
  5. Community Configuration should be visible to all. Should it only be modifiable by a select group of experienced Wikimedians?
  6. Should all configuration options be only editable by Administrators and interface administrators?
    • Should we consider different user access levels for certain configuration options?
  7. Out of curiosity, do you have any thoughts on how many edits would be made to this community configuration page each year?

Your insights will be invaluable in shaping the trajectory of this project. We look forward to your constructive feedback!

If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

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This is a really good website, because I like to type and mess around in this website. 50.219.59.3 (talk) 15:37, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Terms of Use related changes

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Tech News: 2023-30

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 25 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 26 July. It will be on all wikis from 27 July (calendar).

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non-transcluded BRFA

Hi. Not sure what to do with Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Hey Didn't. I mean, do we close it, or do we speedy it? Bbb has blocked the bot account for "not here", but botop is not blocked. —usernamekiran (talk) 17:38, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I G2'd it — xaosflux Talk 18:08, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You

"Appreciation Knucks"
These knucks symbolize my appreciation for the Wiki teamsters, such as yourself, who create pathways to knowledge through their diligent efforts working quietly behind the scenes. As a user I am grateful, now more than ever, so I felt prompted to say hello and show gratitude by saying thanks for setting an example for users, such as myself, to contribute more. Stay blessed, Saint, Stephen Gunning (talk) 09:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template talk:Infobox medal templates

Hello, this template have been found problems affect its visual appearance on mobile phone screens, however due to different configurations for CSS styles between desktop and mobile view, this would be noticed by our readers. First, the top item of the content occupied this template having a wide grey stripe at the top. Second, the left column occupied half of template width, which looks very inconsistent among different devices. I've made fix in its sandbox page, and you'll see the problems on main template via these screenshots:

Would you like to apply my fix on main template? Do you have any more idea for this? Thanks. -- Great Brightstar (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please open a new edit request at Template talk:Infobox medal templates; a patrolling template editor will get to it. — xaosflux Talk 15:45, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK I did. --Great Brightstar (talk) 17:22, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-31

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Recent changes

  • The Synchronizer tool is now available to keep Lua modules synced across Wikimedia wikis, along with updated documentation to develop global Lua modules and templates.
  • The tag filter on Special:NewPages and revision history pages can now be inverted. For example, you can hide edits that were made using an automated tool. [41][42]
  • The Wikipedia ChatGPT plugin experiment can now be used by ChatGPT users who can use plugins. You can participate in a video call if you want to talk about this experiment or similar work. [43]

Problems

  • It was not possible to generate a PDF for pages with non-Latin characters in the title, for the last two weeks. This has now been fixed. [44]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 1 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 2 August. It will be on all wikis from 3 August (calendar).
  • Starting on Tuesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Georgian Wikipedia, Kara-Kalpak Wikipedia, Kabyle Wikipedia, Kabardian Wikipedia, Kabiyè Wikipedia, Kikuyu Wikipedia, Kazakh Wikipedia, Khmer Wikipedia, Kannada Wikipedia, Kashmiri Wikipedia, Colognian Wikipedia, Kurdish Wikipedia, Cornish Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [45]

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Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Pppery/Bureaucrat chat

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Tech News: 2023-32

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Recent changes

  • Mobile Web editors can now edit a whole page at once. To use this feature, turn on "⧼Mobile-frontend-mobile-option-amc⧽" in your settings and use the "Edit full page" button in the "More" menu. [46]

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Administrators' newsletter – August 2023

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Administrator changes

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Interface administrator changes

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Arbitration

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Tech News: 2023-33

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Recent changes

  • The Content translation system is no longer using Youdao's machine translation service. The service was in place for several years, but due to no usage, and availability of alternatives, it was deprecated to reduce maintenance overheads. Other services which cover the same languages are still available. [47]

Changes later this week

  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 August. It will be on all wikis from 17 August (calendar).
  • Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Latin Wikipedia, Ladino Wikipedia, Luxembourgish Wikipedia, Lak Wikipedia, Lezghian Wikipedia, Lingua Franca Nova Wikipedia, Ganda Wikipedia, Limburgish Wikipedia, Ligurian Wikipedia, Lombard Wikipedia, Lingala Wikipedia, Latgalian Wikipedia, Latvian Wikipedia, Maithili Wikipedia, Basa Banyumasan Wikipedia, Moksha Wikipedia, Malagasy Wikipedia, Armenian Wikipedia, Kyrgyz Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [48]

Future changes

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Assistance needed with content model changes

Can you change these from normal text to CSS for me? It is necessary to do some repair work on Signpost styling. Thanks. jp×g 20:26, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JPxG  Done — xaosflux Talk 21:12, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks jp×g 21:18, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question

I noticed you removed the {{in use}} tag from Islamic Bill of Rights for Women in the Mosque even though it was actively being edited. Also, it seems the edit history has been suppressed. May I ask why? There's nothing in the in-use template instructions that says not to use it logged-out.

Not saying it's wrong, I genuinely want to understand if there's a policy at play. By way of context, there's a proposal to substantially change the article at the AfD discussion, and these changes seem to be a constructive part of that. Oblivy (talk) 10:28, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Oblivy there's a combination of things that went on with a few different admins. The edits made from 20230825T092551 to 20230825T094351 were made by an editor that claimed to be inadvertently logged out - an oversighter removed the username (an IP address) on request under WP:OSPOL criteria 1. Only the username portion of those edits has been suppressed, the content is available. In this specific case, multiple oversighters, including me, were all working on the suppression request at the same time. As the current version now had no one specific to attribute it to, I reverted to the last published version that had attribution (yours). We let the suppression requester know that if those were their edits, they are welcome to redo them once they are logged in (as is anyone else). Please let me know if you have any other questions on the administrative actions involved here. — xaosflux Talk 12:17, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I think it makes sense. As I understand it, a otherwise-registered editor didn't want to show up by IP, so their edits were reversed and the IP hidden and they can recreate the edits later. I had seen the original edits, which seemed good-faith, so I was wondering if there was some rule against IP editors putting an in-use template on the article (or something). No need to reply unless I'm totally off base. Oblivy (talk) 12:25, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Oblivy I'm not aware of any specific policy about the use of Template:in use. My own personal practice is that if I have to remove attribution from the "current version" of an article, then I revert it -- if someone won't claim the responsibility for what we are presenting to readers, then we probably shouldn't present that revision to readers. Sometimes I make an edit and claim it myself, but in this case I didn't want to. Anyone is welcome to revert my last revert and publish a prior version (taking responsibility for it). In case it wasn't clear, the content of the prior edits is right there in the history for anyone to see still. — xaosflux Talk 12:34, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Thanks for the explanation and that totally makes sense. Oblivy (talk) 12:37, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you

So this is twice now that I've pinged you about that topic. I hope that that's been ok. I don't know where else or who else would be good to point people to. Well, that and I know that when I ask you, I can trust the answer : )

Thanks again for all that you do : ) - jc37 12:04, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jc37 always welcome to, if you have a longer question on that you can also post at WP:IANB (feel free to ping me there too). — xaosflux Talk 14:26, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok, thank you, and thank you : ) - jc37 16:55, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • As part of the changes for the better diff handling of paragraph splits, improved detection of splits is being rolled out. Over the last two weeks, we deployed this support to group0 and group1 wikis. This week it will be deployed to group2 wikis. [59]
  • All Special:Contributions pages now show the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. [60]
  • Wikisource users can now use the prpbengalicurrency label to denote Bengali currency characters as page numbers inside the <pagelist> tag. [61]
  • Two preferences have been relocated. The preference "Enable the visual editor" is now shown on the "Editing" tab at all wikis. Previously it was shown on the "Beta features" tab at some wikis. The preference "Use the wikitext mode inside the visual editor, instead of a different wikitext editor" is now also shown on the "Editing" tab at all wikis, instead of the "Beta features" tab. [62][63]

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  • A proposal has been made to merge the second hidden-categories list (which appears below the wikitext editing form) with the main list of categories (which is further down the page). More information is available on Phabricator; feedback is welcome!

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  • The LoginNotify extension was not sending notifications since January. It has now been fixed, so going forward, you may see notifications for failed login attempts, and successful login attempts from a new device. [69]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 September. It will be on all wikis from 7 September (calendar).
  • Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Eastern Mari Wikipedia, Maori Wikipedia, Minangkabau Wikipedia, Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Mongolian Wikipedia, Marathi Wikipedia, Western Mari Wikipedia, Malay Wikipedia, Maltese Wikipedia, Mirandese Wikipedia, Erzya Wikipedia, Mazanderani Wikipedia, Nāhuatl Wikipedia, Neapolitan Wikipedia, Low German Wikipedia, Low Saxon Wikipedia, Nepali Wikipedia, Newari Wikipedia, Norwegian Nynorsk Wikipedia, Novial Wikipedia, N'Ko Wikipedia, Nouormand Wikipedia, Northern Sotho Wikipedia, Navajo Wikipedia, Nyanja Wikipedia, Occitan Wikipedia, Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia, Oromo Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Ossetic Wikipedia, Punjabi Wikipedia, Pangasinan Wikipedia, Pampanga Wikipedia, Papiamento Wikipedia, Picard Wikipedia, Pennsylvania German Wikipedia, Palatine German Wikipedia, Norfuk / Pitkern Wikipedia, Piedmontese Wikipedia, Western Punjabi Wikipedia, Pontic Wikipedia, Pashto Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [70][71]

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Question

I went to look at the WP:BAG list and saw that you were on it : )

I thought I'd ask you here, rather than ping you there, this time, but you are of course welcome to answer here or there (or not) as you prefer.

Anyway, my main question is: I remember (somewhat vaguely) the various messes and Betacommand. And one of the things that I remember being talked about are edit rates, and so on. I'm not sure how they would specifically apply here, but speed of editing and perhaps not being as diligent as some might want, seeems to be the crux of things here. But I'm not sure how serious we should see this to be. For example, how fast is "bot fast"? Do we have any sort of rough benchmarks for semi-automated editing? Basically I want to AGF of the editor here. But if this is a genuine problem, then I'd like to see it faitly addressed. What comes to my mind is the second half of "Be bold, but not reckless".

I guess I'm in the spot of: I don't know what I don't know. And I'd like to make a better-informed decision on this. - jc37 17:04, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jc37 like most stuff here, it depends. I don't have time to dive in to that whole case, but in general if someone is making repeated "bad edits" - they need to stop and correct their behavior, regardless of if it is tool assisted. AWB bots are free - if the nature of the edits is something that really doesn't require human review, then there is benefit to others by using a flagged account -- that doesn't seem to be the case here, as the original complaint was that these are bad edits. As far as edit rate, back to the first claim - it doesn't matter if the edits are "bad", no rate is OK. Only if all the edits are "good" should rate start to be examined; 1 one time batch of say 100 edits in a minute isn't necessarily a brightline - but doing that every day could be. The reason is that high speed editing can overwhelm the ability for edits to be reviewed by others - and even be disruptive to the process by flooding recent changes and watchlists. Sorry this isn't a super clear response, but it is a nuanced subject. — xaosflux Talk 17:39, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. With what (little lol) I know, that was very informative. I appreciate it. - jc37 18:13, 6 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia:VPP" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Wikipedia:VPP has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 September 9 § Wikipedia:VPP until a consensus is reached. —Matr1x-101 (Ping me when replying) {user page (@ commons) - talk} 14:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Userbox

I see that they are semi-inactive, if they aren't around to respond, I can just make a new userbox in template-space of you like. - jc37 18:01, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If no response in a reasonable time, I'll restore it to another space to keep the history - ping me. — xaosflux Talk 18:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh ok. Wasn't sure if you wanted/needed assistance, so thought I'd offer : ) - jc37 18:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • ORES, the revision evaluation service, is now using a new open-source infrastructure on all wikis except for English Wikipedia and Wikidata. These two will follow this week. If you notice any unusual results from the Recent Changes filters that are related to ORES (for example, "Contribution quality predictions" and "User intent predictions"), please report them. [72]
  • When you are logged in on one Wikimedia wiki and visit a different Wikimedia wiki, the system tries to log you in there automatically. This has been unreliable for a long time. You can now visit the login page to make the system try extra hard. If you feel that made logging in better or worse than it used to be, your feedback is appreciated. [73]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 September. It will be on all wikis from 14 September (calendar).
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  • As part of the changes for the Better diff handling of paragraph splits wishlist proposal, the inline switch widget in diff pages is being rolled out this week to all wikis. The inline switch will allow viewers to toggle between a unified inline or two-column diff wikitext format. [74]

Future changes

  • All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 20 September. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. More information will be published in Tech News and will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [75]
  • The Enterprise API is launching a new feature called "breaking news". Currently in BETA, this attempts to identify likely "newsworthy" topics as they are currently being written about in any Wikipedia. Your help is requested to improve the accuracy of its detection model, especially on smaller language editions, by recommending templates or identifiable editing patterns. See more information at the documentation page on MediaWiki or the FAQ on Meta.

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  • MediaWiki now has a stable interface policy for frontend code that more clearly defines how we deprecate MediaWiki code and wiki-based code (e.g. gadgets and user scripts). Thank you to everyone who contributed to the content and discussions. [76][77]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 September. It will be on all wikis from 21 September (calendar).
  • All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on September 20. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [78]
  • All wikis will have a link in the sidebar that provides a short URL of that page, using the Wikimedia URL Shortener. [79]

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Short descriptions and settlement infoboxes

Hello! Can you help me understand something better? I was checking this list of needed templates in my homewiki and a lot of them are "shortdescriptions". Apparently they come from {{Infobox settlement}} but I'm not sure how that is supposed to work exactly. You set the type and you get an automatic template? I haven't seen such auto-generated templates in EnWiki. :/ - Klein Muçi (talk) 09:53, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Klein Muçi that template (here at least) is pulling in at least one lua module, which is trying to build short descriptions along the way. By default, the short descriptions from wikidata would otherwise be used. If you don't want that functionality in your template on sqwiki you should remove it; I expect this is one of those "the English Wikipedia volunteers built a very complicated template that probably shouldn't just be imported to another project as-is" sort of things. — xaosflux Talk 18:54, 27 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a matter whether I want that functionality or not in our template. I literally don't understand what is going on exactly. Can you give me an example here on the English Wikipedia where a similar short description template is auto-created? I want to see the process at work to know how to fine-tune it for us. I have the same number of modules involved in that template with the same identic content. — Klein Muçi (talk) 11:45, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Here's an example:
  • Katanga Province is an article that uses Template:Infobox settlement
  • That templates invokes Module:Settlement short description
    • That module builds the description input based off of other parameters that were input with the text calling the template from the article. This is using various string lookups and replacements
  • Results:
    • The wikidata description for this page is Katanga was one of the four large provinces created in the Belgian Congo in 1914. It was one of the eleven provinces of the Democratic Republic of the Congo between 1966 and 2015
    • The local description for this page is Former province in DR Congo
  • For more help on this, please follow up at: Template talk:Infobox settlement. — xaosflux Talk 14:25, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • But again, I don't see the said module create templates like it is doing in here for us. :/ This is all I'm asking. I'll ask at the respective talk page. — Klein Muçi (talk) 15:11, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      @Klein Muçi ah OK, not sure - if I had to guess one of the string handling lines in the lua module are failing on the character set (e.g. not knowing how to change case of "ë" in "Qytezë"). — xaosflux Talk 16:16, 28 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The Vector 2022 skin will now remember the pinned/unpinned status for the Table of Contents for all logged-out users. [80]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 September. It will be on all wikis from 28 September (calendar).
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  • Gadget definitions will have a new "namespaces" option. The option takes a list of namespace IDs. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages in the given namespaces.

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  • New variables will be added to AbuseFilter: global_account_groups and global_account_editcount. They are available only when an account is being created. You can use them to prevent blocking automatic creation of accounts when users with many edits elsewhere visit your wiki for the first time. [81][82]

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  • There is a new user preference for "Always enable safe mode". This setting will make pages load without including any on-wiki JavaScript or on-wiki stylesheet pages. It can be useful for debugging broken JavaScript gadgets. [83]
  • Gadget definitions now have a new "contentModels" option. The option takes a list of page content models, like wikitext or css. Gadgets that use this option will only load on pages with the given content models.

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 October. It will be on all wikis from 5 October (calendar).

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ITN entries

Hello. I hope you are doing well.
I'm currently working on a bot to archive the ITN entries. So far, I've worked out everything, but there is only one issue now. Basically, the bot covers additions of entries, updates to existing entries (eg death tolls), and removal of entries. The bot can process multiple additions in the same edit, but I haven't been able to process removal if there is an addition at the same time. This always happens when someone updates recent deaths. While removal of death is not very much important, the removal of other news blurb/event should be mentioned in the archive page (e.g. natural disasters, bombings, and similar stuff).
So my actual question is: would it be appropriate to request regular ITN updaters to remove only one news blurb in a single edit, and add an invisible comment regarding this in the ITN template? I have created archive of Sept 2023. By taking a look at it, you will realise what I am talking about. Kindly let me know what you think. There is also a longer discussion at Wikipedia talk:In the news#Archive of ITN postings. —usernamekiran (talk) 02:30, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Usernamekiran as the pool of people that could update it is so large, and the reason you want this is not for the benefit of readers I don't expect it would get done reliably. The better fix seems to be to improve the bot logic. — xaosflux Talk 03:10, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
yes, I had the same reservations you mentioned. I thought adding an invisible comment along the lines "remove only one news blurb in one edit without adding, or removing anything else", like we already have "Post ongoing items in alphabetical order" would be feasible. I have tried a lot, but because of the way pywikibot processes the diffs, it is proving difficult. I will try again, or maybe I'll come up with some work-around/heuristics. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:47, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More details about EFH granting requirements and required trust

Hello xaosflux! While I regularly help in WP:EFFPR dealing with false positives by public filters, how could I make sure I could be trusted to have the edit filter helper right? Note that despite reading the granting guidelines [I am currently an extended confirmed user, have a secure password with 2FA enabled, have never been blocked or sanctioned (a clean block log), and can understand the English language (near native ability)], how can the community trust me to have the right?

I have thoroughly read WP:EFH about the revocation guidelines (sharing sensitive details to users without the right, abuse of edit filters, etc.), and I don't have any intent to assist with edit filters as I have a very basic ability to understand regex expressions, other than dealing with false positives. And note that I do not plan to request the edit filter helper right at this moment.

If there are any concerns or issues, you are welcome to ask me about them here, thank you! Signed, 64andtim (any problems?) 04:19, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@64andtim in general: be active for a while (5 months is likely going to be consider a bit short); participate in areas where this is needed (such a /FP). You should also seek to remedy your blocks on other WMF projects (I see you are blocked on maiwiki). — xaosflux Talk 10:57, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like I was unblocked over there due to said block being accidental. And which areas I should participate in FP? (it looks like I should be active for at least a year or more if they should trust me to get the user right). Signed, 64andtim (any problems?) 12:02, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good news on that unblock! Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations is another related area. — xaosflux Talk 12:58, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • An RfC is open regarding amending the paid-contribution disclosure policy to add the following text: Any administrator soliciting clients for paid Wikipedia-related consulting or advising services not covered by other paid-contribution rules must disclose all clients on their userpage.

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  • Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

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en-gb/en-ca messages

I see you deleted MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-gb and MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-ca after we finally got phab:T229992 (yeah!)

Searches [85] [86] currently find 67 en-gb or en-ca MediaWiki messages.

61 duplicate en text (sometimes a little out of sync):

2 warn against en-ca/en-gb (warnings by you):

4 actually make British/Canadian spelling (all change color to colour):

Questions:

  1. Do you think we can just speedy delete the first 63 pages as WP:G6 maintenance or should it go to WP:MFD before deleting so many pages together?
  2. Do you know whether our cite error message system will work correctly with fallbacks if the en-gb/en-ca pages are deleted?
  3. Do you think all problems are gone so the warning at Help:Preferences#Internationalisation can also be deleted?

PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter I expect that we should be able to purge the default messages that have been forked to the variants without issue. That cite stuff is all off local modules, etc - so will need to be investigated more. I doubt it's 100% and we should probably still discourage anyone from setting a variant. — xaosflux Talk 00:49, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The color-colour on the default ones should still be removed; the ones on the local gadget, not sure. I don't think the local gadgets/scripts are helped by the change to the core handling. — xaosflux Talk 00:50, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I started deleting some above, sorted down. — xaosflux Talk 01:10, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I think MediaWiki:Gadget-ClassicDiff/en-gb would have been displayed by MediaWiki at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets for en-gb users if ClassicDiff had actually been a gadget name listed in MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition, but it's not, so the page appears to be unused. MediaWiki:Gadgets-definition instead lists OldDiff so MediaWiki:Gadget-OldDiff is used but it has no en-gb/en-ca customization. For comparison, MediaWiki:Gadget-HotCat/de is displayed for de.[87]. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:51, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@PrimeHunter Looks like a subset of these may still get polluted from translatewiki -- such a hot mess, see the later notes at phab:T229992. — xaosflux Talk 21:52, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Our MediaWiki messages are not imported live from Translatewiki. Sometimes somebody updates a file and all our MediaWiki defaults are updated with changes since last time. We have customized MediaWiki:Blockiptext. MediaWiki:Blockiptext/qqx shows the default en message with "vandalized". Our MediaWiki:Blockiptext/en-gb has not yet "imported" the deletion of translatewiki:MediaWiki:Blockiptext/en-gb so it still shows an en-gb message with "vandalised". I assume the deleted Translatewiki message said that but don't have access to check. Oddly, translatewiki:MediaWiki:Blockiptext/en-gb also currently says "vandalised". Translatewiki itself is powered by MediaWiki. I guess if they don't currently have a customized en-gb message then their en-gb page shows the current MediaWiki default for en-gb, so they have to wait for an import of their own deletion before the page will show the en version with "vandalized". That's a bit confusing. English is my second language and I have no stake in spelling issues like -ize/-ise but they apparently matter greatly to some. If somebody made an en-gb version at Translatewiki with a minor spelling change then our local en-gb users get that unless we customize our local en-gb version. I guess it varies whether this is considered good or bad. I think we should keep the current warning in Help:Preferences#Internationalisation but not reintroduce more prominent warnings in MediaWiki messages like MediaWiki:Preferences-summary/en-gb. https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/g/mediawiki/core/+/63b013c5bfdfe07be20557ce9cc26a79a98cf023/languages/i18n/en-gb.json shows a brief list of en-gb messages but I suspect it's all there are, out of 25000+ MediaWiki messages. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Problem is that it isn't really just a translation of our local /en version; our local en version is completely customized away from mediawiki default - and there are still about 100 (of 10000+?) messages that mediawiki is pulling in to /en-gb as default -- but the "use local fallback" fight in that phab ticket is still going on. Short story, still work to do - and it's still useful to actively warn enwiki's users to not pick an /en-xx language setting or they will miss out on localizations. — xaosflux Talk 23:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

ACE ElectCom

Hi Xaosflux. This year if you're one of the top 3 vote getters do you intended to serve or might you step back into the reserve commissioner role as you did last year? Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 08:13, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Barkeep49 I plan to serve the term if selected. — xaosflux Talk 09:41, 9 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 October. It will be on all wikis from 12 October (calendar).
  • Starting on Wednesday, a new set of Wikipedias will get "Add a link" (Swahili Wikipedia, Walloon Wikipedia, Waray Wikipedia, Wolof Wikipedia, Kalmyk Wikipedia, Xhosa Wikipedia, Mingrelian Wikipedia, Yiddish Wikipedia, Yoruba Wikipedia, Zhuang Wikipedia, Zeelandic Wikipedia, Min Nan Wikipedia, Zulu Wikipedia). This is part of the progressive deployment of this tool to more Wikipedias. The communities can configure how this feature works locally. [89]
  • At some wikis, newcomers are suggested images from Commons to add to articles without any images. Starting on Tuesday, newcomers at these wikis will be able to add images to unillustrated article sections. The specific wikis are listed under "Images recommendations" at the Growth team deployment table. You can learn more about this feature. [90]
  • In the mobile web skin (Minerva) the CSS ID #page-actions will be replaced with #p-views. This change is to make it consistent with other skins and to improve support for gadgets and extensions in the mobile skin. A few gadgets may need to be updated; there are details and search-links in the task.

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Precious anniversary

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  • The Unified login system's edge login should now be fixed for some browsers (Chrome, Edge, Opera). This means that if you visit a new sister project wiki, you should be logged in automatically without the need to click "Log in" or reload the page. Feedback on whether it's working for you is welcome. [91]
  • Edit notices are now available within the MobileFrontend/Minerva skin. This feature was inspired by the gadget on English Wikipedia. See more details in T316178.

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 October. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 November. It will be on all wikis from 2 November (calendar).
  • Listings on category pages are sorted on each wiki for that language using a library. For a brief period on 2 November, changes to categories will not be sorted correctly for many languages. This is because the developers are upgrading to a new version of the library. They will then use a script to fix the existing categories. This will take a few hours or a few days depending on how big the wiki is. You can read more. [93][94]
  • Starting November 1, the impact module (Special:Impact) will be upgraded by the Growth team. The new impact module shows newcomers more data regarding their impact on the wiki. It was tested by a few wikis during the last few months. [95]

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mediawiki:Newpages-summary

Hi Xaosflux, thanks for protecting and editing my fork of the Page Curation script. I noticed that you had edited the MediaWiki page to include the script, but I think you might have substituted the wrong link. The fork is of this script which is linked in the sentence "A user script for accessing the Page Curation tool is also available". Could you link it there instead please? All the best and thanks for your IntAdmin work. Schminnte [talk to me] 19:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Schminnte hi there, sorry if I got the wrong link somewhere and I'll certainly work to fix it. I'm not exactly what needs to be changed though, could you clarify? Which page needs to be edited, and which text should be changed to which new text? Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 19:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Certainly :)
  • The page that needs to be edited is MediaWiki:Newpages-summary,
  • The line at the bottom (An alternative script is available for the same.) should be reverted back to An alternative script is available for the same. as this is a different script from the one in forking,
  • The link in the fmbox (A user script for accessing the Page Curation tool is also available.) should either be changed to link to User:Schminnte/PageCuration, or the redirect should be re-targeted to that page.
Thanks again, Schminnte [talk to me] 19:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Schminnte thank you!
  1. I reverted my change
  2. I changed Wikipedia:PageCuration script to point to User:Schminnte/PageCuration
  3. (unrelated) I deleted An alternative [[User:Lourdes/SpecialNewPages|script]] is available for the same. all together, as that script is unmaintained now.
Miss anything? — xaosflux Talk 19:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Don't think so, thanks for everything! Schminnte [talk to me] 20:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Help

Hello!

Any idea what could be going wrong in here? It shows a file broken link but not sure where that is coming from. I've spent like 6 hours checking everything but still have no clue. - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Better now? I null edited the dependent templates to force them to recalculate. Way too much dynamic loading going on in my opinion. — xaosflux Talk 22:14, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah... So nothing was wrong per se... Thank you!
Yeah... I know what you mean. I've tried making things as easy/automatic as I've can. Everything comes with a drawback. If things get heavy I'll start changing them back. Thank you again! — Klein Muçi (talk) 23:17, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Can you please take a look at the link above again and our main page and tell me what is going on with the border and padding? Is this a still a problem arising from the aforementioned dynamic loading? Is the specific chosen photo problematic? It's been 2 days now trying to solve it, ever since you fixed the problem with the broken link, but nothing seems to work.
This is the CSS page: Link
The photo is supposed to have an inline border and align with the text body with a small padding in-between. — Klein Muçi (talk) 11:49, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not exactly sure and don't have time to delve in to all of it. First thing to check, it looks like some of that image is getting styles with multiple template style loads on the template, but only one of those is on the main page (is what you are missing in: Stampa:Artikulli i javës/styles.css ?) — xaosflux Talk 12:00, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That works in unifying the looks but all sections have their own CSS page. Do they all need to be included in the Main Page? I thought it was enough to include it on the local template page and if you transcluded it, it would come with the associated styles as well. Am I wrong in that assumption? — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Apparently with the other cases the inclusion doesn't make a difference but with that template it does. Hmm... — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:12, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like on the template, you have the templatestyles in the "noinclude" section, so they would not be used when the template is called. — xaosflux Talk 12:17, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Why would I do that... :'( You are right. That solved the problem. Now I just need to give them the correct styling I suppose. Thank you very much! — Klein Muçi (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request

I've started a revamp of Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set.

Please take a look and let me know if there are any essential techniques or must have tools that you think should be included.

Thank you.

Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:40, 5 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Watchlist messages

So, rather than go ahead and kill even more electrons on MediaWiki talk:Watchlist-messages with the clearly-excessive 37-step repro I have written up,† is there any way I can convince you to just turn on the gadget (if you have it off), reload your watchlist, and type mw.storage.get('hidewatchlistmessages') into a console? Not getting 596 in the results anymore despite having dismissed the RFA message is 95% of the proof, and I suppose I could demonstrate the rest over on testwiki if it's kosher to hand out interface-admin there. —Cryptic 00:38, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

†Too many of the steps started to look like
  • "click on 'skip this survey' and dismiss the popup and all the other not-very-welcoming stuff we inflict on new users", and
  • "stop to chat with the userspace police, who've shown up on your usertalk to complain that the account name you picked is illegal despite you only existing for half an hour, you've never made an edit, and WP:USERNAME says nothing of the sort", and especially
  • "you might want to stop now, unless you want to find out what happens when the zero-edit account you've just granted extended-confirmed with your admin goes ahead and disrupts RFA and everybody's watchlist to prove this point".
Regarding that test, same result before and after disabling the notice:
:>mw.storage.get('hidewatchlistmessages')
:<null
However I have no recollection of what I may or may not have recently dismissed. It does sound like the 'empty the storage' may be running when it shouldn't, and I pinged in the last script developer who had requested changes to the conversation on the wl talk page. — xaosflux Talk 10:01, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's a fallback in the gadget js, mw.storage.session.get('hidewatchlistmessages'), that's used if mw.storage.get(...) fails. I had thought it was intended for old versions of MediaWiki, or perhaps minority or mobile browsers - both of the ones I tested with use mw.storage; I didn't try on mobile - but it's documented to last only the lifetime of the open browser tab. Try that?
Anyway, the gadget is mostly doing what it says it should do: it removes old cookie-ids that are no longer referenced. (It fails to do that if there are no hidden or hideable messages at all, so it forever stores the last one to expire, maybe intentionally, maybe not; in practice, there's always another watchlist message between RFAs.) The problem is the way we've been abusing it with the RFA message, which removes itself entirely - not just makes itself invisible - when there are no RFAs, and updates itself immediately when the number of RFAs changes. Even if nobody looks at their watchlist or is irritated enough to complain about it between when a new RFA starts and when the cookie is manually updated, it's still going to say "there are 2 rfas open" as soon as a second one opens to people who haven't dismissed the message yet, no matter that we wait a half a day to bump the number on Mediawiki:Watchlist-messages a second time. —Cryptic 15:50, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like the fix needs to be to not purge the old values, waiting for the response from the last script writer that I expect is related to that. As far as the edge case of:
  1. There is a visible RFA that has a new cookie
  2. You don't dismiss it
  3. A second simultaneous RFA opens saying "there are n RFA's"
  4. You dismiss it during the window before its cookie gets incremented by an admin
  5. The RFA cookie gets incremented
  6. The WLN shows
I don't think that alone is going to get solved while being able to maintain some of the automation; but it is quite a small edge case.
— xaosflux Talk 16:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't particularly concerned about this case, no, other than that some of the options for dealing with my complaint would also fix that. We're not really saving much effort from the automation anyway since we're still manually updating the cookie numbers. I'd be happy to take over maintenance of the rfa messages if we went to an more-manual method, btw, so this isn't entirely a "This doesn't working exactly how I want! You, over there, do more unpaid labor for me!" complaint.
Documentation for mw.storage warns that the space is limited - albeit in the context of old keys, I don't know if it also applies to their values - so I don't know whether leaving all the values in there forever is wise. Not a webdev. —Cryptic 16:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, also think there is something else going on here - I still haven't been able to replicate the actual problem even if I can replicate some of the signals. — xaosflux Talk 17:44, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bug?

If you use {{Special:NewPages|namespace=0|limit=1}} you get this result:

12 May 2024


If you inspect its classes you'll see that the talk and contribute links are inside a single class called "mw-usertoollinks" but article history and edit are not. The parentheses, space and pipe characters are plain text, outside of the classes themselves. Therefore, if you decide to hide them, like I tried here, you'll get left with those characters with no way to target them (JS aside). Is this considered a bug? Can I talk with someone for this to be changed? I can of course just open a phab ticket but not sure how to report the problem in a clear way without using live examples like I did here. - Klein Muçi (talk) 12:55, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Klein Muçi this does not appear to be a bug, just something that doesn't exist. It appears to be the mediawiki default behavior as well. You can open a feature request at phabricator. Leave out anything superfluous (such as "if you use x in a transclusion" - as this happens on the native output as well). Your request would be something like
  • Story: I want to be able to target the group of page tool links on Special:NewPages with css to style them differently.
    • Then as a comment, perhaps a suggestion to "add a span element with a unique class to the output of Special:NewPages between the '.a with class mw-newpages-pagename' and '.span with class mw-newpages-length'".
— xaosflux Talk 14:35, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • In the Vector 2022 skin, the default font-size of a number of navigational elements (tagline, tools menu, navigational links, and more) has been increased slightly to match the font size used in page content. [96]

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  • Last week, there was a problem displaying some recent edits on a few wikis, for 1-6 hours. The edits were saved but not immediately shown. This was due to a database problem. [97]

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  • The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 7 November. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 8 November. It will be on all wikis from 9 November (calendar).
  • The Growth team will reassign newcomers from former mentors to the currently active mentors. They have also changed the notification language to be more user-friendly. [98][99]

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Inform before blocking, explain about blocking, guide to avoid blocking.

No clue what this ip wanted, they got blocked elsewise

I invite this page owner to discuss some important isuues to make every moment,user and effort productive and copetative for overall well being of everyone and everything who are part of Wikipedia in any manner. Kindly pay attention and free your time to be with me for a while Mister/Miss/Misses XOASFLUX. Don't you dare to miss it once you did to mess it. Come and start. I am here only. Bring some operations manual given to you for performing adminship along.22:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC) 2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why you are misusing your admin powers to take other admins blocking legacy forward? I had appreciated you by calling you a helpful admin. I praised you while talking to my friend user. You can ask to verify. My friend is not given adminship yet otherwise I wouldn't be facing these difficulty. Read above message and join me as soon as possible. Call your boss and take special permission to discuss with me you find less time for it. Apply a sick leave, accident leave or marriage leave, whatever reason doesn't matter false , give and free yourself for this. I am awaiting Mr/Ms/Mrs XOASFLUX. 📢2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 22:30, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry, you will need to be more specific, that address has never been blocked. — xaosflux Talk 23:20, 6 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What does Wikipedia want me do?2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 00:53, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What does Wikipedia want me do? Why did you delete my content that I wrote yesterday night ? Why my mobile phone's more than 50 screenshots are having you proving you blocked me? 2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 00:59, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You better know who needs to be more specific, me or Wikipedia? I would suggest you not to assume who was what instead give my questions answer. Be honest. I don't care if you are going to murder me but do inform . I can lose myself to honest people. I neither can give nor take a second if you are a cheater/lier/dishonest/cruel/irresponsible/undiciplined. Egnore bad English not me I am more bad than it.2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 01:12, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea what you are talking about. If you have a question about a block I made, see the list of them here, be specific as to exactly which block you are asking about. Note, I haven't blocked anyone here on the English Wikipedia in almost 2 months. — xaosflux Talk 02:29, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Send your WhatsApp number lier. I'm sending you all photos. Instead of accepting what you did you are protecting yourself. I don't like this nature. I never hide if I do wrong. I don't care if people hate me. I am not a people pleaser. What specific?? Wikipedia needs to be specific, I don't. Mind it and eat your mind in regret. !! God sees all. I trust him. 2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fight with me whole day. I challenge you for full time one to one combat. Later you can take all your gangs with you to counter me like Ganiac, Fr33man, Daniel, LS35 and many more with your entire brigade and I alon this side. I never forget name and face. I never forget what wrong I did to someone and what wrong someone did to me. Remember I am not who compromise or surrender without knowing the truth. I win or I lose I don't care but I do care what I am yet to know inspite of losing everything in attempts of knowing it. Do you have any idea how critial my situation was that became again a Suicidal state against I was already fighting a battle without medicine and doctor. I lost my students. I shut my classroom that I had started after lock down breakdown of almost 3 years. My half family members was in different hospitals. I was in Emergency of another hospital. Rest were permanent paitent of something already. Do you want proof? I can send all.I always worshipped knowledge and Wikipedia broke me like no other. I was about to hang this time for final successful result. Could it be worse?? 😭😭😭 Wikipedia blocked me in emails long ago. Who does this ?? No one today replies also except very few master pieces who says day's name if you ask them vegetable name !! How many emails for help which are not received yet ?? Any idea ??? I again gave Wikipedia money in toughest time. No confirmation no reply of anything. I am in war with thier email donor company Zendesk, you know? And many more, much more. You are admin but butcher in nature. Why this death plan wasn't in Wikipedia's work culture ?? I can bet thousands of innocent users would have killed themselves just because of this harrasment treat of Wikipedia. Remember not anyone is me. Why Wikipedia can't feel the pain, loneliness, guilt feel and hundreds of self harming acts of a victim in such case ?? Will Wikipedia give me students, books to write for thousands if school teachers and bear my all medical expenses?? Why this terror. Doesn't anyone from Wikipedia ever cry over sorrows??😭😭😭 My Wikipedia friend user is not allowed to reply me and I am told that user I am bad !! Already I don't have any friend in life. Where should I go then ?? Heaven or hell? Will Wikipedia buy poison for me to travel there?? Block me from commenting , it will be good for Wikipedia and you and every other admins in your gang. Not just book writing , classroom, government project I lost film writing work too. Who works in such Suicidal state ?? Others may be working but I can't. I am not a super man. I need positive and happy mind to perform anything. I would love to share each proofs what I'm telling about. 😭😭😭 2409:4081:AC14:BD4E:0:0:CC4A:7309 (talk) 02:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).

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  • Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
  • Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
  • Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
  • Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
  • Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
  • Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
  • An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

Miscellaneous

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gadget tags for sister projects

Howdy. I noticed that a couple years back we got some new tags for the gadgets, like "default", "sister", etc. I was wondering if there were any relevant discussions about the introduction of those tags that I could look at for some of the reasoning behind introducing them? Thank you. Enterprisey (talk!) 22:32, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Enterprisey not a lot, there is some discussion in phab:T65598 about the (E) marking - and I sort of took that upon myself to start doing something to try to mitigate some of those concerns. The (D) default one is half-implemented in software now (it displays in Special:Gadgets but not yet in Special:Preferences (phab:T51501 may one day implement that). The S, and U were things I came up with mostly in isolation to help our users make better risk decisions for themselves. I'm wide open to any feedback, additional improvements or workshopping overhauls if you would like. — xaosflux Talk 23:41, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Last week, users who previously visited Meta-Wiki or Wikimedia Commons and then became logged out on those wikis could not log in again. The problem is now resolved. [104]
  • Last week, some pop-up dialogs and menus were shown with the wrong font size. The problem is now resolved. [105]

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  • Reference Previews are coming to many wikis as a default feature. They are popups for references, similar to the PagePreviews feature. You can opt out of seeing them. If you are using the gadgets Reference Tooltips or Navigation Popups, you won’t see Reference Previews. Deployment is planned for November 22, 2023.
  • Canary (also known as heartbeat) events will be produced into Wikimedia event streams from December 11. Streams users are advised to filter out these events, by discarding all events where meta.domain == "canary". Updates to Pywikibot or wikimedia-streams will discard these events by default. [106]

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MediaWiki message delivery 23:50, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sandbox template

Hello, Xaosflux!

Can you please help me understand and adapt a specific part of {{Sandbox heading}}? I just want to know how the button to "reset the sandbox" works. What are those pages and those edit id numbers? What exactly would I need to put for my homewiki if we are using this page as a sandbox: sq:WP:Livadhi ? - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Klein Muçi those are just some "know good versions" from the history of those various sandboxes, e.g: Special:Permalink/1152694269 is a known good version of Wikipedia talk:Sandbox. — xaosflux Talk 13:38, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So to adapt it for my homewiki I just set it to a known good old version of our page? What exactly happens with those versions? Are they edited? Restored? What happens when you edit an old version of a page as I've never tried that before. Just asking so I don't end up ruining page histories in general. — Klein Muçi (talk) 13:49, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It makes a link with the &oldid parameter, which is the same if you go to a page, go to the history, and open an old version. — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! — Klein Muçi (talk) 14:28, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding template

Hello @Xaosflux I have seen that you have interface-admin right here so I am confirmed that you have some knowledge of CSS or JavaScript so can you help adding protected page template to Public Test Wiki. Nexovia (talk) 12:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

testwiki:Template:Pp already exists. Keep in mind, it is just for testing things we don't actually mark up every protected page with it there. — xaosflux Talk 13:32, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks :)

Hi

Just wanted to say thanks very much for making me the template on Meta, the request got archived just after you replied so couldn't reply there.

Thanks again

John Cummings (talk) 13:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hope it works out for you! — xaosflux Talk 13:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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@Asparagusus  Done you may want to follow up with that editor on copyvios, COI, and USERNAME issues. — xaosflux Talk 14:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Assistance ?

I tried to create a candidacy statement, and I think that my candidacy statement is in some sort of limbo. Do I need to start over, or is there somewhere that I can pick up the pieces and continue the process in the next eight hours? Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:06, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Robert McClenon thank you for self-nominating. Your statement was created and is located here: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2023/Candidates/Robert McClenon/Statement; the minimum needed to complete the nomination is to transclude it to the candidates page. Edit this section of this page: Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2023/Candidates#Standing_candidates and insert your candidate page along with the others. There may be some other pages to clean up (talk pages, the questions page, etc - but those can be cleaned up after). — xaosflux Talk 16:50, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I didn't know that I was allowed to do that. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:38, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're in; any other cleanups someone else may handle. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 18:45, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Request for deletion

Dear Xaosflux, Hello, I'm going to accept an draft submission Draft:Environmental issues in Myanmar but I saw this topic is already exist in article namespace and redirect to Myanmar, so, I request to you please delete Environmental issues in Myanmar and I will be able to accept this submission only after this page is deletion, I'm waiting for deletion of this page under WP:G6. ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 14:16, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aviram7 not sure why you looked for me on this one, but I've gone ahead and deleted Environmental issues in Myanmar under the CSD. — xaosflux Talk 14:20, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear Xaosflux, Thanks for about that. :) ~~ αvírαm|(tαlk) 14:57, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Protection of Template:CatAutoTOC

I would like to clarify Special:Diff/1188777839 – removal of protection from Template:CatAutoTOC. Per transclusion counter, it has more than half a million transclusions. It seems that the removal of protection was done by accident. Perhaps it was supposed to be upgraded from template protection (it was protected since 2019) to full protection? —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrybak thank you for your vigilance. I had indeed intended to move that the other way (to FP); this should now be resolved. — xaosflux Talk 21:20, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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A solstice greeting

❄️ Happy holidays! ❄️

Hi Xaosflux! I'd like to wish you a splendid solstice season as we wrap up the year. Here is an artwork, made individually for you, to celebrate. Looking forward to collaborating more on interface work in the coming year! Take care, and thanks for all you do to make Wikipedia better!
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Solstice Celebration for Xaosflux, 2023, DALL·E 3. (View full series) Note: The vibes are winter solsticey. If you're in the southern hemisphere, oops, apologies.
Solstice Celebration for Xaosflux, 2023, DALL·E 3.
Note: The vibes are winter solsticey. If you're in the southern hemisphere, oops, apologies.

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Thanks for replying, but the page you recommend:: (https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org) is the very one I I get when I click login. And I've never prohibited scripts etc. John Wheater (talk) 15:07, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@JohnWheater would you please contact TWL people directly via: wikipedialibrary@wikimedia.org. Thank you, — xaosflux Talk 15:11, 28 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
Thank you so much for all your work coordinating the elections. It couldn’t have happened without you. From helping with the guide to posting the final results, you did a great job running a smooth election. Thanks! - 🔥𝑰𝒍𝒍𝒖𝒔𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑭𝒍𝒂𝒎𝒆 (𝒕𝒂𝒍𝒌)🔥 01:55, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hidden ToC dis-appeares on it's own during scrolling

[[131]]

Sorry, a little late.

With "Zebra 1" the scrolling is OK, i.e. I can scroll down to the bottom.

Steue (talk) 06:02, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Thanks for all your work on the election! -- Asartea Talk | Contribs 09:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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