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====Statement by Galassi====
====Statement by Galassi====
This is preposterous. By the same token I would be banned from the US Constitution because the tripartite government was originally a Ukrainian Idea. See [[Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk]]. User Nishidani is simply attempting to remove a voice opposing his tendentious editing.--[[User:Galassi|Galassi]] ([[User talk:Galassi|talk]]) 23:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
This is preposterous. By the same token I would be banned from the US Constitution because the tripartite government was originally a Ukrainian Idea. See [[Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk]]. User Nishidani is simply attempting to remove a voice opposing his tendentious editing.--[[User:Galassi|Galassi]] ([[User talk:Galassi|talk]]) 23:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
: It is also worth noting that Nishidani is engaged in an anti-Zionist jihad, as evidenced by such diffs as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_violent_incidents_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict,_2016&diff=724042256&oldid=723669921], in clear violation of [[WP:NOTNEWS]].--[[User:Galassi|Galassi]] ([[User talk:Galassi|talk]]) 23:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)


====Statement by My very best wishes====
====Statement by My very best wishes====

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    Galassi

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning Galassi

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nishidani (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 20:39, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Galassi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    User_talk:Galassi#Arbitration_enforcement_discretionary_sanction:_Indefinite_topic_ban :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 31 May 2016 Edit in contravention of topic ban
    1. 7 June 2016 Edit in contravention of topic ban
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 7 April 2013 Banned from all Ukraine related edits
    1. 10 May 2016 AN/I report that resulted in a closure that said Galassi is already topic-barred from anything related to the Khazars including anything Kahazar theories based on a topic-ban from any Ukranian-related articles from 2013. (User:Ricky81682)
    2. here
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Galassi has a long history of reverting me at sight without examining the merits of the content reverted, or explaining himself on talk pages. This brought about the A/1 decision barring him from the Khazar-related articles. He was told not to edit any articles relating to Khazars on May 10. In an appeal to User:Sandstein regarding this, Sandstein recommended my taking Galassi to AE if he broke his topic ban. I believe the above 2 diffs violate that ban and repeat the behaviour (no talk page presence, reverting me at sight) that got him banned from those articles a month ago.

    Editor notified here, and here

    Discussion concerning Galassi

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    Statement by Galassi

    This is preposterous. By the same token I would be banned from the US Constitution because the tripartite government was originally a Ukrainian Idea. See Constitution of Pylyp Orlyk. User Nishidani is simply attempting to remove a voice opposing his tendentious editing.--Galassi (talk) 23:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    It is also worth noting that Nishidani is engaged in an anti-Zionist jihad, as evidenced by such diffs as [1], in clear violation of WP:NOTNEWS.--Galassi (talk) 23:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by My very best wishes

    These edits/diffs are about ancient history of Khazars, a Turkic tribe, and about genetic studies of Jews. This has nothing to do with Ukraine. The page mention people "who had migrated westward from modern Russia and Ukraine into modern France and Germany", however as clear from the diff, Galassi did not change anything about it. My very best wishes (talk) 02:33, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @BMK. There is indeed a historical connection and a territorial overlap between the ancient Khazar Khaganate and modern Ukraine. So, for example, someone with a topic ban on Germany can not edit article Jesus Christ because it is about Jews in the Roman Empire (not to be confused with Holy Roman empire) that has a historical and territorial overlap with modern Germany. My very best wishes (talk) 15:50, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @BMK. Why this is an invalid reductio ad absurdum? We are talking about someone who received a topic ban for editing modern-day country X. Should such topic bans be extended to articles about all different and currently non-existent countries A,B,C that were partly overlapped with country X in past and therefore have some kind of historical connection to X? Countries X and A,B,C are populated by very different peoples, different in the territory and different by centuries in time. This is general question and possibly an important precedent for further similar actions on WP:AE. My very best wishes (talk) 20:47, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    @Sfarney. Yes, indeed, the Roman Empire is integral to the history of Europe, Palestine and so on. Every stone in Germany, Armenia and Judaea was some time in the Roman Empire. Does it mean that everyone with sanctions in these subject areas can not edit pages about Roman Empire and Jesus Christ? However, I must tell Khazars and Ukrainians are very different peoples, just as Khazars and Jews. My very best wishes (talk) 18:43, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Beyond My Ken

    Considering that the article Khazar is part of the "History of Ukraine" series, and that the map makes it clear that the Khazar empire covered a significant part of Europe that would become Ukraine, I'm not seeing My very best wishes' claim that the edits had nothing to do with Galassi's Ukraine topic ban, especially since an admin has ruled that the topic ban did cover the Khazars. BMK (talk) 04:18, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @My very best wishes: So far, uninvolved admins don't seem swayed by your arguments; nor am I, since they appear to me to be examples of a straw man argument or an invalid reductio ad absurdum. BMK (talk) 19:26, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by sfarney

    The Louisiana Territory is integral to the history of the North America, and the Khazar Empire is integral to the history of Ukrainia. The same stones, the same grass, the same chain of events, and an important genetic line of the Ukrainian populace. Grammar's Li'l Helper Talk 18:08, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Galassi

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    No, it doesn't. There is 500 years of history between the end of Khazars and the beginning of Ukraine.--Galassi (talk) 23:03, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Considering the warnings previously delivered, a block appears in order. T. Canens (talk) 04:45, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Debresser

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    Request concerning Debresser

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:16, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Debresser (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem (I understand Im linking to an RFC here, however that RFC was mandated by ArbCom and is binding through July 9, 2016, and this topic area is covered by discretionary sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 7 June 2016 Revert in violation of binding RFC
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    • Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 15 March 2016.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    There was a binding RFC on claims to Jerusalem being capital of Israel and Palestine and its location that was mandated by the Arbitration Committee (Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jerusalem). That RFC resulted in the material currently in the lead of the Jerusalem article and per the Arbitration Committee is binding for three years. A user added material to the lead that violated that RFC, was reverted, which was also reverted. This was prior to any talk page discussion. I reverted that final revert and opened a talk page section detailing why (here, with the user I had reverted agreeing that the material shouldnt be included. Debresser then ignores the binding RFC and re-reverts, writing in the talk page Sourced, relevant, neutrally worded. The Rfc is expiring. The Rfc avoided the issue. All in all, ample reason to keep this addition. By the way, is there anything you think is wrong with the text, apart from bureaucratic arguments? When Debresser was reverted he or she posted to that users talkpage that their revert was "hothead revert" (here). Im not quite sure why this user thinks that binding means something other than all users have to follow this, but a reminder is surely in order.


    Re the idea that this is a personal issue, no, not at all. Debresser is the only one to have reverted following the explanation that the material violated a binding RFC. And when asked to revert declined to do so. And then complained when somebody reverted him or her. Debresser's comment on the talk page of that article implied that he or she felt that a binding RFC did not apply to him or her. That is what brought me here. nableezy - 00:09, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Sorry Debresser, I guess an edit summary that says the RFC is expiring in a month, a comment on the talk page saying the edit should stand, a comment on the talk page of the person that reverted you calling their revert hotheaded, those things dont lead to the reasonable conclusion that a. you knew that you were prohibited from making said edit due to a binding revert, b. didnt care, and c. wouldnt self-revert. Silly me, where could I have possibly gotten that idea. You know what I find disruptive? Editors thinking the rules that apply to everybody else dont apply to them. Editors who knowingly revert against a consensus (thats what an RFC determines fyi). Basically, you. nableezy - 21:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @OID, I object to that edit on a number of grounds. However, the rule breaking is what is relevant on this board for a topic area that is covered under discretionary sanctions. Bright line rules only work if when somebody breaks them there isnt hand waving about well its only a technicality.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified

    Discussion concerning Debresser

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    Statement by Debresser

    Nableezy seems to have a personal issue with me, because of the three editors who made this same edit,[2][3][4] I am the only one he is reporting. Nableezy has a huge POV in the I/P-conflict area, and we have conflicted on many articles already. He is now trying to fight his personal vendetta against me through the editors at WP:AE. I think that is fair reason to dismiss this report. Recently he engaged in an edit wat at Ancient synagogues in Palestine,[5][6][7] for which I decided not to report him. I am disappointed that he should repay me in this way.

    As to the actual matter at hand, I think Talk:Jerusalem#addition_to_the_lead is where the discussion is taking place, and where I have made my arguments, and have already stated, that I will not challenge the Rfc, which stands till July 9. At the same time, I think the issue will have to be re-visited in the near future, if only to avoid edit wars, blocks and a lot of bad blood, and the proposed edit is a very good NPOV candidate, summing up the issue well and along the same lines as the Rfc.

    In short, I think this report should boomerang back on Nableezy for the blatant personal motives behind this report, as well as his own recent WP:ARBPIA violations on "Ancient synagogues in Palestine".Debresser (talk) 23:36, 7 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @EdJohnson The 9 July date comes form counting 3 years after the Rfc reached a conclusion. Debresser (talk) 09:51, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    @Nableezy No need to say things you can't possibly know. I didn't refuse to revert. Somebody else reverted my edit even before I read your post on my talkpage. You continue with your bad faith assumptions, viewing Wikipedia as a battlefield, and me as the enemy. I find this attitude of yours disruptive. Debresser (talk) 21:01, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by OID

    Ed, dates from RFC's are always taken from the closure of an RFC as that is the point at which consensus has been determined by the closer. There would be no point in a fixed for 3 years consensus being valid until the actual consensus was determined. Saying that, it would still be up in a month anyway, so suggest close with trouts for everyone. Nableezy, if you have to rely on technical rule-breaking to revert an edit, rather than addressing the substance of the edit, it tends to get peoples backs up. 'Would this edit be controversial in a months time?' should be the question you ask yourself. Only in death does duty end (talk) 10:28, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Debresser

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • The original Arbcom motion was passed on December 27, 2012. It provided that the ban on changing the lead of Jerusalem 'will be binding for three years from the adoption of this motion'. To me, that implies December 27, 2015, so the freeze on changing the lead has already expired. The RfC closers stated that 'this decision is binding for three years' on 9 July, 2013 but I don't see that the closers were given authority to change the date specified in Arbcom's own motion. EdJohnston (talk) 05:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Ed makes an interesting point. I do not recall any discussion about it, but then when we passed the appointments motion I don't think any of us expected the process to take half a year to conclude.

      That said, in my view, even after the three-year period ends, the conclusions reached in the RFC remain consensus until and unless the existence of a different consensus is demonstrated, and until then edits that are substantially contrary to those conclusions remain sanctionable under DS for failure to "comply with all applicable policies and guidelines" and "follow editorial and behavioural best practice" (see WP:AC/DS#guide.expect). T. Canens (talk) 05:22, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]