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* Now can somebody please go ahead and tag the categories? I believe {{u|Qwerfjkl}} has a handy script for it. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 23:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
* Now can somebody please go ahead and tag the categories? I believe {{u|Qwerfjkl}} has a handy script for it. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 23:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)
*:I've tagged all the categories and notified the category creators. [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 09:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
*:I've tagged all the categories and notified the category creators. [[User:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#1d9ffc; color:white; padding:5px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">Qwerfjkl</span>]][[User talk:Qwerfjkl|<span style="background:#79c0f2;color:white; padding:2px; box-shadow:darkgray 2px 2px 2px;">talk</span>]] 09:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
*'''support''' (prompted by notification on my talk page) – a sensible change. --[[User:NSH001|NSH001]] ([[User talk:NSH001|talk]]) 09:51, 2 October 2023 (UTC)


==== Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Guinea-Bissau ====
==== Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Guinea-Bissau ====

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October 1

Years in the United States by state

  • Propose renaming:
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Nominator's rationale: rename all years, decades, and centuries as not all in these categories are states. For example, Category:1826 in Michigan Territory, Category:1826 in Arkansas Territory, etc. See history Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_July_13#United_States_locations resulted in rename to "by state or territory". –Aidan721 (talk) 23:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:The Catherine Tate Show characters

Nominator's rationale: Only one character is contained in this category, and thus there doesn't seem to be much merit to keeping this around. Pokelego999 (talk) 23:35, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now without prejudice to recreation if the category can be populated with at least five articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Indian Tamil actors of Sri Lanka

Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to this discussion and this discussion, where categories of Sri Lankan actors of all other ethnicities were upmerged. I don't know why this one was overlooked, but I do not see a reason to treat it differently. @LaundryPizza03, Qwerfjkl, Marcocapelle, RevelationDirect, and William Allen Simpson: pinging participants. Place Clichy (talk) 23:29, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:WikiProject X members

Full list
Nominator's rationale: A common query that I encounter from newcomers is "how do I become a member of this WikiProject?" The answer, of course, is that you don't really have to do anything (other than adding your name to the directory if you want); just start participating. But this highlights a common misunderstanding, the idea that there is some sort of formal membership approval process for wikiprojects, and this misunderstanding can become a small barrier to entry for newcomers. Calling those who participate in a project "participants" rather than "members" is less likely to create this misunderstanding, while still being just as clear otherwise, so it seems better. Since 2007, Category:Wikipedians by WikiProject has been split between projects that use "participants" vs. those that use "members," with no clear distinction between them. Simplifying these by choosing just one term would improve consistency and reduce complexity (e.g. someone adding a category wouldn't need to remember/look up which term a given project uses), so we should be seeking standardization. And given its advantages, I propose that "participants" is the way to go. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:29, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Notified: Category talk:Wikipedians by WikiProject, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council, Wikipedia talk:Category names. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 22:33, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural comment, there haven't been any categories formally nominated yet (i.e. listed in this nomination and category pages tagged), until that happens nothing can be moved for real. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Marcocapelle: Given that there are 1500 Wikipedian by WikiProject categories (many dormant), a sizable portion of which use "members," there would be quite a few pages to tag, so I was hoping that the notices I made above might suffice in lieu of individual tagging. If it is necessary to mark each page, I can try to tackle that in an AWB run. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 16:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Sdkb: I can't tell if the notices may be enough, but surely a list of proposed renamings is needed for the closer of the discussion to feed to the bot. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:03, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      Added full list now! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk 19:08, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I assumed this was about Wikipedia:WikiProject X, but it seems I was wrong? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:56, 26 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    (Hi, Martin! 👋) Yeah, I had the same mental hiccup after seeing the message in my user talk page and following the link to this discussion. Perhaps a more evident placeholder notation could have been used. Waldyrious (talk) 09:49, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support a consistent style. Don't really care if it's "members" or "participants". Gonnym (talk) 09:59, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Now can somebody please go ahead and tag the categories? I believe Qwerfjkl has a handy script for it. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I've tagged all the categories and notified the category creators. Qwerfjkltalk 09:39, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • support (prompted by notification on my talk page) – a sensible change. --NSH001 (talk) 09:51, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ambassadors of the United Kingdom to Guinea-Bissau

Nominator's rationale: as per WP:SMALLCAT. This ambassador position is actually a non resident one. LibStar (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Small cat also says."unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" which ambassadors seems to follow.
Mason (talk) 04:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Indian dramatists and playwrights by language

Nominator's rationale: None of these categories are nationality specific, instead they all reflect Category:Dramatists and playwrights by language where the language happens to be common in India, and not indicative that that writer's nationality is Indian. Mason (talk) 00:07, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Television series written by Umera Ahmad

Convert Category:Television series written by Umera Ahmad to article Television series written by Umera Ahmad
Nominator's rationale: I think that this category should either be deleted or converted into an article. there are no other categories like this that I could find in the style of Category:Television series by writer Mason (talk) 00:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Other categories use "created", not "written", so renaming should be considered. Janhrach (talk) 16:48, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Jewish presidents

Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I violation. Can in no way be construed as a defining intersection. Edward-Woodrow • talk 23:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Expatriates of the Old Swiss Confederacy in France

Nominator's rationale: No need to distinguish between regimes, overlapping category Mason (talk) 22:23, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Stateless serial killers

Nominator's rationale: small cat Mason (talk) 18:00, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Christian abolitionists

Nominator's rationale: delete, follow-up on Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_15#Category:Christian_abolitionists in which the suggestion came up to only keep the Quaker's subcategory. The others aren't a defining intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Namiba and Smasongarrison: pinging contributors to that earlier discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per old discussion Mason (talk) 17:32, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It seems weird to me to only keep Quakers, although certainly they were heavily involved with abolitionism (there's even an article on it), other denominations were too. Christians played a significant part in abolitionism so I’m actually against containerizing Christian abolitionists as well, although I recognize I might be too late on that. - Relinus (talk) 01:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • People against and for slavery were Christians of all sorts of denominations, only Quakers were against it based on a consistent denominational point of view. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That sounds almost like an argument that you don't need the Quaker category, except that the time period is important. For the rest one assumes it is useful to some people to be able to group together those in that denomination that were on the abolitionist side of the fence, and divide them from those coreligionists on the other side or those who stayed silent on this issue. For some of these denominations the internal debate would have been an important part of their history. ϢereSpielChequers 09:45, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sports teams and properties owned by Josh Harris

Nominator's rationale: Matches the title of the corresponding navbox template. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sports teams and properties owned by David Blitzer

Nominator's rationale: Matches the title of the corresponding navbox template. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British police officers by nationality

Nominator's rationale: unnecessary overcategorization Mason (talk) 15:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People with psychopathy

Nominator's rationale: Seems that the pagemaker @RealRyanElder recognizes that these categories overlap. " Added the “Categories for deletion” category because someone added all of the people in this category to the “People with antisocial personality disorder” one even though I specifically made this one as being a distinction from it. Ridiculous, honestly." per [1] Mason (talk) 15:35, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not sure, a number of these criminals have been classified as psychopathic based on e.g. the Psychopathy Checklist, I doubt if that counts as a full antisocial personality disorder diagnosis. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Bermudian general practitioners

Nominator's rationale: small cat, there's barely enough to populate the parent category Mason (talk) 15:30, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 22:15, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, with no prejudice to recreation if the category can be populated with 5 articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:German expatriates in Overseas France

Nominator's rationale: Nest of categories containing only one article, Rudi Gutendorf. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:07, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nomination WP:NARROWCATs. Edward-Woodrow • talk 15:41, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all. This does not seem to be in any way defining. What is defining for Rudi Gutendorf is holding "a Guinness World Record for coaching 55 teams in 32 countries, across five continents." In the same year 1981 that Gutendorf briefly coached New Caledonia, he also coached no less than Australia, Nepal, Tonga and Tanzania's national football teams. Place Clichy (talk) 22:19, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all, trivial characteristic in this case. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Immigrants to the Kingdom of Prussia

Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 14:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, one might argue that a split in 1701 makes sense because the former duchy of Prussia was way smaller than the kingdom but most articles in the target are 18th-century as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sexism in the Arab world

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT WP:REDUNDANTFORK WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 31#Category:Religion in the Arab world. NLeeuw (talk) 17:57, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Purge and merge to Category:Sexism in the Middle East, and merge to Category:Discrimination in the Arab world and Category:Gender in the Arab world absent any further action. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:02, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: the term "Middle East" is problematic, as it theoretically refers to south-central Asia, and is not synonymous with the Arab world, for which the historic equivalent is "Near East". Informally the two are frequently conflated, which makes using "Middle East" confusing, as it potentially includes everything from Western Sahara to Bangladesh. Certainly sexism exists everywhere, but the nature of sexism in say, Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh is qualitatively different from that in the Arab world, for cultural reasons—I'm not accusing one of being worse than the other, but they're different in terms of the reasons, background, and forms taken, as well as their effect on the sociopolitical condition of women (for instance, India and Pakistan have both elected women leaders; such a thing is almost unthinkable in the Arab world).
I also note that "Near East" probably should be read to include Turkey, Israel, and Iran, none of which have Arab majorities. Sexism in each of these countries varies in its similarity to discrimination by sex in the Arab world; probably most of all in Israel (excluding the occupied territories, which are almost entirely Arab), less in Turkey, which in theory is still a secular state, and most similar in Iran, as the preceding year's protests demonstrate, although there are still significant issues unique to women's situation there. Changing "the Arab world" to "the Middle East" doesn't solve any of these issues; it makes them worse.
Lastly, removing north African states from this category and merging them with categories about Africa instead plays into the false narrative of pan-Africanism unifying the cultures of the Mediterranean and Sahara region with those of sub-Saharan Africa, when they are very, very different. Long contact between the Arab world and parts of sub-Saharan Africa have led to some similarities—the dispersal of Islam, the Swahili language—but in most other respects all of the countries in the Arab world—perhaps the "Arabic-speaking world" would be more accurate—have more in common with one another than with sub-Saharan Africa. P Aculeius (talk) 15:36, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:SMS Prinz Adalbert (ship, 1876)

Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category created just to overcategorize one image. As always, every image that gets uploaded to Wikipedia does not automatically get its own dedicated category just to contain itself -- images don't necessarily have to be filed in any categories that aren't automatically transcluded by their licensing templates in the first place, but if they are then they get categorized alongside other photos grouped by class of thing, rather than each individual photo getting its own dedicated microcategory of one. The only other thing that could conceivably be filed here is the article that the photo is being used on, but (a) categories aren't allowed to mix articles with filespace image galleries, and (b) it would still be a WP:SMALLCAT of just two entries even if we overlooked that. Bearcat (talk) 11:53, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom. Mason (talk) 12:14, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - as far as I'm aware, we don't generally have categories for individual ships on en.wiki; this is a Commons practice (barring the obvious exceptions of course), so I don't much see the need for this one. But I am curious as to why Bearcat thinks that articles and files aren't permitted to coexist in the same cat. WP:FILECAT states that "A category can mix articles and images, or a separate file/image category can be created." Parsecboy (talk) 15:54, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per nom. I made this category by mistake. Thought I was in commons at the time.-- Broichmore (talk) 08:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

X by Y in Z

... Full list on the talk page.

Nominator's rationale: This was previously nominated at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 29#Category:Association football people by prefecture in Japan, and as discussed I am renominating using the alternative scheme X from Y by Z. The rationale is The splitter should be the last thing mentioned in the category name.
Pinging participants @CaribDigita, @Gidonb, @Kaffet i halsen, @Marcocapelle, @P199, @Visviva, @Sillyfolkboy, @RevelationDirect, @P Aculeius, @Paul_012, @Sahaib, @Happily888. Qwerfjkltalk 11:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on the basis it would be an improvement to the status quo and is a more logical ordering of the variables. Though some might argue the national categories could be renamed "FOOian sportspeople by region" etc. Sionk (talk) 11:45, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, per my comments in the previous discussion. These are container cats for Football people from Foo county, etc. Reflecting the from wording would help avoid potential confusion regarding the scope of the categories. Also avoids opening the can of worms that introducing Fooian demonyms certainly would. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:51, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support having the splitter at the end. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:29, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Fixer88 (talk) 14:44, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom Mason (talk) 14:55, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Substituting "from" for "in" fixes the major problem with scope, and the order seems more logical. I still see no problem with using demonyms, but that's another issue for another time, and it's not urgent. The original proposal was problematic, and this one solves those problems. P Aculeius (talk) 15:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Terminal (band) albums

Nominator's rationale: Terminal (band) redirects to Terminal (a disambiguation page). The main article for the band is Terminal (American band) (How the Lonely Keep, the only member of the category, redirects there). Jeeputer Talk 10:39, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish British television people

Nominator's rationale: A newly-created category (22 Sep 2023) that is IMHO a blatant departure from Wikipedia's best practices and guidelines, especially WP:OCEGRS. I do not see any argument, unless proven otherwise, that Judaism has any specific role in the career of these individuals within British television. In the case it has played a significant role for a select few, I believe that this can be elaborated in the article body, rather than putting together a file of all Jews that stepped in the world of British television. Relevant past CFDs I could find: British people by ethnicity and occupation, British politicians of Jewish descent, Jewish television series (the latter for the link between Judaism and television production). Note that there is no other category for "Jewish television people" in any country. Place Clichy (talk) 10:27, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I expanded the nomination with a categories created in the same batch that have similar features, mostly all relative to media occupations. @Smasongarrison, Marcocapelle, and Sionk: you are invited to confirm your opinion. Place Clichy (talk) 21:56, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per nom and WP:OCEGRS Mason (talk) 12:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Per nom and WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:33, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, on the basis I don't see what marks this out as different from the other occupations in Category:British Jews by occupation. With the ongoing arguments about whether Jewish actors should play Jewish characters, for example, I would have thought there was an argument to keep the "television people" and "theatre people" categories. Sionk (talk) 16:10, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In a way you are correct that this category shouldn't be looked at alone, despite falling into the dead-end WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument. A user took the bold action to dispatch British Jews in a number of categories for occupations regardless of their relevance, and it is this dispatch that I object to, as summarized in Wikipedia's editing guideline WP:EGRS/I. Place Clichy (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, considering I was making an argument for a "Jewish British actors" category, but the categories being nominated in the revised nomination do not need categorising by religion. Sionk (talk) 00:03, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Monuments men

Nominator's rationale: The main article appears to be at List of Monuments, Fine Arts, and Archives personnel and the current category name looks odd. Possibly a speedy candidate. Brandmeistertalk 09:48, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support. My guess is that this name was inspired by the movie. Mason (talk) 12:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:British police officers in India

Nominator's rationale: Should be merged with Category:Police officers in British India and renamed Category:Police officers from British India Mason (talk) 01:17, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge and rename per convention. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This category deals with colonial police officers, most of whom were British-born and most of whom returned to Britain when they retired, who worked in British India. Most did not actually come from India. -- Necrothesp (talk) 07:53, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What about a spilt + rename? Colonial police officers in British India Mason (talk) 22:07, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Film actresses from insular areas of the United States

Nominator's rationale: This category is in just one category and only has one subcategory in it. I'm failing to see the point of it. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 16:11, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/what-constitutes-united-states-what-are-official-definitions?qt-news_science_products=0#qt-news_science_products What constitutes the United States? Official definition
  2. ^ https://web.archive.org/web/20210321175758/https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/united-states/locator-map
  3. ^ https://www.doi.gov/oia/islands/politicatypes Insular Area Political Organizations
  4. ^ https://www.doi.gov/oia/islands/politicatypes Definitions of Insular Area Political Organizations

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Category:Slave owners from the Kingdom of England

Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Slaves from the Kingdom of England

Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:05, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Immigrants to the Kingdom of England

Nominator's rationale: overlapping cat Mason (talk) 04:09, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Procedural oppose, this will only work if the subcategories are nominated in conjunction. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd be open to that, but if I'm being honest, I'm starting to get burnt out by all the trivial categories that JPL has made. Would you be willing to help me tag them all? Mason (talk) 16:56, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Clergy from the Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria

Nominator's rationale: This category follows the nationality naming convention, but belongs to the country category. Mason (talk) 20:49, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, splitting between country and nationality is not helpful due to the large overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:17, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Would you be ok with renaming/reparenting it to make that a tad clearer. Like Clergy of... Mason (talk) 22:46, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Emigrants from the Old Swiss Confederacy

Nominator's rationale: overlapping category where the regime isn't defining Mason (talk) 03:04, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Emigrants from the Kingdom of Great Britain

Nominator's rationale: overlapping category, where the political distinction isn't helpful/defining Mason (talk) 02:31, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Finnish emigrants (1809–1917)

Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, where it really isn't worth distinguishing that this is when Finland was part of the Russian Empire. If not merged, it could be renamed Emigrants from the Grand Duchy of Finland Mason (talk) 02:25, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedians interested in law and morality

Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow scope, no article on law and morality. All users are either already in the parent or long-gone so there is no need for a merge. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Noble titles by country

Nominator's rationale: I *think* that these are overlapping categories. But if someone who is knowledgeable to sees the difference, perhaps there's a good way make that distinction clearer Mason (talk) 02:03, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree there is no difference in scope, but reverse merge Category:Titles of nobility by country to Category:Noble titles by country and the other countries should be added to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Smasongarrison, which direction are you suggesting the merge take place? Your proposal has conflicting directions for the parent and the one subcat. You also left out the Spanish (a/b), French (a/b), Dutch (a/b) and British (a/b) categories. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:59, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Comment. Honestly, I don't have a clear direction on the merge. I found the German category first, and then realized it was a much bigger web, and decided to bring the category here for other people's wisdom. Mason (talk) 12:09, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Explanation: The Fooian noble titles branch, I think, should be for the titles granted to people (duke, earl, etc.), and the Noble titles in Foo branch for their associated domains (dukedoms, earldoms, etc). Further clean-up is evidently needed, but if the distinction can be made clear they could probably remain separate.
    Background: Previously, the Fooian noble titles categories were a jumbled mess containing both concept articles and people subcategories. Following this 2021 CfD, I separated the people subcats into Fooian nobles by title, leaving the concept articles in the respective Fooian noble titles cats. The Fooian titles of nobility branch is a long-standing separate tree. I think I attempted a bit to clarify the distinction according to the above explanation, but gave up as I wasn't quite able to draw a clear line. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:59, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Amputees from the Russian Empire

Nominator's rationale: small, overlapping categories. Disability doesn't need to intersect with political regime (russian empire versus russia) Mason (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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