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Table won't sort

On List of Xbox Live Arcade games, there is a table of 707 rows. (At least, the article says there are 707 games. I haven't counted the rows.) When clicking the arrow next to the text of the "Release Date" column header, there is a delay of a few seconds, and then the arrow will change, as expected; but the table does not sort.

I don't see this behavior when sorting by the other columns; the table sorts normally after clicking one of those arrows. Tarcil (talk) 00:03, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

@Tarcil: I've fixed this by adding data-sort-value for each of the rows, as described at Help:Sorting#Specifying a sort key for a cell. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 01:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

@Mr. Stradivarius: Thank you! Is there an item on the developers' backlog to automate this for the thousands (I assume) of tables on Wikipedia that don't include this markup? Tarcil (talk) 17:42, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

@Tarcil: No - I think this is more of an editor task than a developer task. Having said that, it would be good to find a way of tracking which tables have columns that can't sort so that they can be dealt with by AWB or by bot. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 22:06, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Works fine for me. Tvx1 01:20, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Is it really necessary to link all those years? That's the reason the sorting breaks (it would not need a sort key otherwise), and it seems excessive to me. nyuszika7h (talk) 16:06, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Cascading protection glitch

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T115586

Are users here who are template editors but not admins able to edit Template:Center? I ask because I appear to have caused a glitch which makes it cascade-protected from a deleted page. Here's how it happened:

1. I notice that when I edited Template:Center, there was a notice above the edit box that said it was cascade-protected from File:Onion Powder, Penzeys Spices, Arlington Heights MA.jpg. I decide that this protection isn't serving any purpose, as the file is no longer visible on the main page.
2. I delete File:Onion Powder, Penzeys Spices, Arlington Heights MA.jpg without unprotecting it. I thought this would remove the protection and make pages fetch the file from Commons, all in one edit.
3. I reduce Template:Center to template-protection.
4. Template:Center is now displayed as template-protected, but when editing it the notice that says that it is cascade-protected is still there. The difference is that instead of File:Onion Powder, Penzeys Spices, Arlington Heights MA.jpg being listed as a source, there are no sources listed.

I'm guessing that this will have to go to Phabricator, but if there's a way we can resolve it here, that would be nice. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:09, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

To me it shows the "template protected" message now. Not a template editor or administrator.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 11:11, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I think that the glitch may have defeated the protection level detection code that makes the "template protected" message, as it relies on the CASCADINGSOURCES magic word producing some text, but if there are no sources then the output will just be blank. I am also guessing a similar thing happened with the Lua code that checks for cascading protection to see what colour the padlock icons should be. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:19, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Also, I should add that after I deleted File:Onion Powder, Penzeys Spices, Arlington Heights MA.jpg I restored it, then tried cascade-protecting it and then unprotecting it again, but it didn't seem to make any difference. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:12, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

I placed the "Template editor" right on an alternate account of mine and loaded the edit page. I did get the page (I didn't actually try to change anything there), along with the warning that only admins can edit it due to cascade protection. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 11:37, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

For me (TE) it displays the "cascade-protected" warning alongside the template-protection one, though it seems I am able to edit the template normally: the edit box is pink and unlocked, and there are "save"/"preview"/"changes" buttons, unlike when I try to edit a fully protected page. SiBr₄ (talk) 13:39, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Phabricator would be the place for this, yes. Checking the database, what's going on is basically what you guessed: the deletion of the cascade-protected page should have deleted the protection entry (and other links table entries), but it did not. Unfortunately undeleting the page would have no effect, since the links table entries are tied using the page_id value and undeleting assigns a new page_id rather than reusing the old page_id (T60986 seems to be commenting on that situation). I've fixed this specific issue by deleting the problematic database row, and I don't see any others on enwiki. See T115586 for tracking the underlying cause of the issue. BJorsch (WMF) (talk) 13:08, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Searching for a template following a string

I tried asking a question at AWB tasks, but that may not be the best place (or maybe it was TLDR).

I want to use AWB to improve some references. I can find each of the references because they are all named references, but the field to be replaced is not necessarily unique, mainly because the access date might vary. My goal is to search for a particular named reference, then locate the immediately following cite web template, and replace the contents of that template with a value.

I'm not quite sure how to do the specification in AWB (or if there is some better way to do it).

I've started the creation of a table to identify the replacement strings here (The table currently has only five entries but there will be dozens when I complete it).

Can someone tell me if it is possible to search for a template following a string, or if there is a better way to approach this?--S Philbrick(Talk) 13:50, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Is the opening reference tag always in the form <ref name="name">? Are you replacing the {{cite web}} template in toto? then:

find:

(\<ref\s+name\s*=\s*"name"\s*\>)\{\{\s*cite\s+web[^\}]+\}\}

where "name" is the reference name

replace:

$1{{cite web |...}}

where ... is the full content of replacement {{cite web}} template

No doubt, this could be optimize but should should work as a starting point. If the {{cite web}} template contains another template, this regex will fail.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 14:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

It's better to use [^\{\}]+ instead of [^\}]+ in cases like this. That way, if the template you're replacing does contain a nested template, the regex doesn't do anything, instead of replacing the wrong things and breaking stuff. SiBr₄ (talk) 14:19, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the very quick responses. Yes, the opening reference tag is always in that form. Yes, I will be replacing the template in toto. I do not believe I have any nested templates but I will either use the second suggestion for code or watch carefully.--S Philbrick(Talk) 14:44, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I tried it and it worked (at least in the first case). Thanks.--S Philbrick(Talk) 15:00, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Good news, bad news

@Trappist the monk:

The good news is when I set up AWB and ran against the list of World University Game references I got over 50 hits which is about what I expected.

The bad news is that when I tried to repeat for Pan Am games I got only two hits, while expecting over 50. If I had zero hits I would assume I set up something fundamentally wrong but I get two which suggests the format is correct.

An example of my search for string is:

(\<ref\s+name\s*=\s*"2003 Pan Am"\s*\>)\{\{\s*cite\s+web[^\}]+\}\}

The replacement string is:

$1{{cite web|title=Fourteenth Pan American Games -- 2003|date=Feb 20, 2014|url=http://www.usab.com/history/pan-am-womens/fourteenth-pan-american-games-2003.aspx|publisher=USA Basketball| archive-url =https://web.archive.org/web/20150907195503/http://www.usab.com/history/pan-am-womens/fourteenth-pan-american-games-2003.aspx| archive-date =7 September 2015|dead-url=no|accessdate=15 Oct 2015}}

An example of the page in the list is Rebekkah Brunson; the relevant reference is:

<ref name="2003 Pan Am">{{cite web|last=|first=|date=|title=FOURTEENTH PAN AMERICAN GAMES -- 2003|url=http://www.usab.com/womens/panamerican/wpag_2003.html|work=|publisher=USA Basketball|accessdate=15 Oct 2013}}</ref>

I am a REGEX newbie, but I'm not seeing why that search should not find this string.--S Philbrick(Talk) 17:38, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

When I put your search and replacement strings into AWB and have it search Rebekkah Brunson, it finds and replaces the middle reference in §References (I did not save). If it isn't broken, I can't fix it. Have you inadvertently set something that you should not have set on the Skip tab? What about the case sensitivity checkbox in Options -> Normal settings?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:45, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk:I'm surely not the first person to ask you to fix something that wasn't broken :) seriously, it is probably user error. I'm encouraged that it worked for you, but I didn't think I did anything unusual in terms of settings.

I took a screenshot of my skip settings File:Temp_AWB_Pan_Am_issues_-_skip_page.JPG and my normal S&R settings File:Temp AWB Pan Am issues - normal settings page.JPG. Does that suggest anything?--S Philbrick(Talk) 20:18, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, but I think that I'm at a loss to explain why it works for me and not for you. The rule, as you have typed it here, works for me. Was that a direct copy/paste from AWB? Have you tried putting the rule and what it is supposed to find in the AWB Regex tester (Tools->Regex tester)? If that works then the problem is somewhere in your settings. You might save a copy of your settings (File->Save settings [as...]) to a sandbox page so that others can try to duplicate your problem using your settings.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your responsiveness. I don't recall whether I copied the rules from AWB or from my sandbox. I'll try using the tester you mentioned. I'll also try starting clean and only using one rule.--S Philbrick(Talk) 21:56, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Resolved

@Trappist the monk:I figured out the problem. Some of my "search for" strings had a space character at the end of the string. I guess that means it looks for the citation template followed by a space, which happened only twice. The fact that you could get it to work was a helpful clue. Thanks for looking into this. I now have a few hundred edits to do. Yaay.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:06, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Apostroph problem

Not sure if this is the correct place to report this. I noticed a redlink in the second section of the HMS Chevron article. I copied the word (Ma’apilim) into the searchbox, and from there created a new article and made it a redirect to where other versions of this word, such as Maapilim go. It's still red. Apparently that specific apostrophe (’) gets substituted to another kind (') from search but not from links in articles. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 17:01, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

The best way to create a new article from a red link is to click on it. No need to use search. Ruslik_Zero 18:13, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Generally, we should use straight apostrophes instead of curly ones. You should correct the text in the article. But in my opinion, it would make sense if the software treated straight and curly marks as the same for linking. I think it's a similar problem for capitals. Both cases are treated the same in the search, but in links they're not unless they're at the start of the word (or at least, that's how it used to be). McLerristarr | Mclay1 18:14, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

@No More Mr Nice Guy: I cannot reproduce this in Firefox. If I enter Ma’apilim in the search box and choose "containing..." (which is now needed to avoid the redirect you created at Ma'apilim) then I get a search results page [1] saying: You may create the page "Ma’apilim". Clicking the red link leads me to a page creation window with the curly apostrophe and not to the redirect you created. What is your browser and what do you see at [2]? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:27, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I was using Chrome but I get the same behavior in Firefox. If I hit "containing..." I get the same results as you describe. If I hit enter it takes me to the redirect with the substituted apostrophe. I could create another redirect that would solve the redlink problem, but this behavior is not what a user would expect, I think. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 22:54, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I still don't understand how you created a redirect with a straight apostrophe after entering a title with a curly apostrophe in the search box. Let's try an example where neither version matches a current page name, like your original case before creating the redirect. If I enter Ma’ap (curly apostrophe) in the search box then I get: You may create the page "Ma’ap". If I click the red link then I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ma%E2%80%99ap&action=edit&redlink=1 with a curly apostrophe %E2%80%99 in the url. If I enter Ma'ap (straight apostrophe) in the search box then I get: You may create the page "Ma'ap". If I click the red link then I go to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ma%27ap&action=edit&redlink=1 with a straight apostrophe %27 in the url. Do you get the same result as me in both cases, or do you get the version with the straight apostrophe regardless whether you entered a curly or straight apostrophe in the search box? I have tested it in Chrome 46.0.2490.71 on Windows Vista and I get the same result as in Firefox. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:14, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I get the same result. I don't remember what I did, to be honest. It's possible I didn't notice the curliness at first, I guess, so I typed it in rather than copied it? I'm fairly but not 100% sure I copied it. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:56, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Why do all pages look blank?

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T115505

Whenever I go to any page, it looks like there is no content in the page at all (i.e. it looks like a blank page). However, when I click "Edit", I see the wikitext. What happened? Gparyani (talk) 18:06, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Something went wrong with the weekly software update. It was immediately reverted and stuff should get back to normal now. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:08, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I saw this for a moment: File:Missing_text.PNG. I also saw "Due to high database lag, changes newer than 170 seconds may not appear in this list" on Special:MyContributions. Gparyani (talk) 18:10, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Seems to be effecting User pages in particular. Blethering Scot 18:11, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

A few minutes ago, I started having the same problem in Google Chrome with the idea lab, which I didn't have an hour earlier. I actually posted this answer from Mozilla Firefox. Blackbombchu (talk) 18:13, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

That problem has already ended for me. Blackbombchu (talk) 18:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

A significant number of pages have been cached as blank during the outage. A WP:PURGE will get it back to normal. I've had to do a revert of a vandalism bot once for this, too. Mamyles (talk) 18:15, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) David Godman seems to be affected...was about to use CSD A3 but stopped. Gparyani (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

I've just purged that page. Should be back up. Mamyles (talk) 18:16, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting this. This is currently being handled and the corresponding bug report is phab:T115505. As more information on the reasons becomes available that bug report will receive updates. Sorry for the inconvenience! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 18:17, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

It appears to be affecting every page that has been updated since the problem started. Belarusian presidential election, 2015, EMC Corporation, and Roses Are Red (My Love) are all affected, just to name a few. Portal:Current events also appears completely blank for me.--Tdl1060 (talk) 18:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Follow-up: there is now an incident report. the wub "?!" 11:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

The Article Traffic Statistics tool need to be updated badly

Hi my name is SeminoleNation and I have been wondering if Wikipedia plans on implementing a stable way of looking at article traffic statistics. The current http://stats.grok.se/ link is very unstable and frequently crashes and will lose information of multiple days at a time. Thank you--SeminoleNation (talk) 21:51, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Hmm, Analytics folks might be the best to ask. You could ask on the Analytics mailing list for example. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:21, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Pages without JS or CSS via Google

Some of you might be interested in this: Especially for slow connections, Google sometimes sends a stripped-down version of a webpage to users, with limited Javascript and CSS. You can see what it looks like here with the article about Oxygen: https://icl.googleusercontent.com/?lite_url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen

I believe this only happens on the mobile site, but I'm not certain of that. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:08, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Pageview Stats down again

Pageview stats at http://stats.grok.se are down again. Stats have not compiled since October 11. Thus, the following is a summary the datefiles that are currently not compiled.

Complete datafiles in need of compiling

• January 31, 2008
• February 28, 2008
• March 1, 2008
• June 1–2, 2008
• July 1, 2008
• July 13–31, 2008
• October 20, 2008
• November 15, 2009
• June 26, 2010
• September 2, 2011
• October 20, 2011
• April 30, 2012
• February 5, 2015
• October 12-20, 2015

Partially complete (between 1 and 23 hourly files have data) datafiles which should be considered for compiling

• March 3–4, 2008
• October 21, 2008
• October 14, 2009
• October 16, 2009
• November 22, 2009
• January 23–24, 2010
• February 8, 2010
• June 28, 2010
• July 5, 2010
• July 7, 2010
• July 10, 2010
• July 23, 2013
• January 6, 2014
• August 28, 2014

dates without datafiles that can not currently be compiled

• September 23, 2009
• September 25–27, 2009
• October 15, 2009
• July 8–9, 2010
• December 24–25, 2011

See update above.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:11, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

• Updated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:30, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
• Updated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:17, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
• Updated.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:45, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
• List above updated, but stats still down.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:07, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Page view statistics

Page view statistics only shows up to October 11, 2015. --Jax 0677 (talk) 16:30, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

It is still not working. Please repair it, it is now a week behind. Johnsmith2116 (talk) 23:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

• • See thread above.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Page view stats

It has been pointed out multiple times here that the page view stats function is down, and has not reported article views since October 11. User:TonyTheTiger says "updated" or "see thread above". What does that mean? The tool is still not working. Is someone trying to fix this? --MelanieN (talk) 15:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

When TonyTheTiger says "Updated" in #Pageview Stats down again, it just means he has updated his own list in that section of dates with no page view stats. Comments like "see thread above" just means there is a related thread earlier on the page. It doesn't imply that thread has a solution. The page view stats at http://stats.grok.se/ is an external tool made by a single volunteer editor User:Henrik who rarely replies to questions or makes edits to Wikipedia. I don't think anyone else knows when he is working on the tool. Note that the tool is not a feature in the MediaWiki software and is not run by the Wikimedia Foundation. The editors of the English Wikipedia have just agreed to add some links to it, notably in MediaWiki:Histlegend which is displayed at top of page histories. The tool uses publicly available data and others could make an alternative tool but I don't know any that work. There was once work on a tool at toollabs:wikiviewstats but I don't know whether there is current work to try to make it operational. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:42, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. This is such a valuable tool, it would be good if he shared its management with someone else - since nobody can be available all the time. --MelanieN (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I think I read something about pageview rebuilding (which could be done by WMF) in some of Magnus Manske tools. But maybe I'm wrong. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:12, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Long pages data needs updating

In the absence of User:Snaevar, how can we get Wikipedia:Database reports/Long pages updated? the data there is now around two months old, and very inaccurate. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Here you are. Should be the same criteria. If (when) you need an update, just say. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 15:01, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: Just the job; thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:20, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@Edgars2007: I've set up automated arching on most of those pages, which has now run. Could you regenerate the stats, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:12, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

 Done. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 11:26, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Phabricator request, please

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T104541

Would someone please file a Phabricator request and mark it as being of the lowest priority? I've never wandered over there. As you can see in the image, it's possible for the letter at the top of a section to be at the bottom of a column when the rest of the section's on a different column; I'm basically asking for a top-section letter always to be in the same column as the first article link within that section. If this were implemented, the "L" would always be immediately above Lawler's Tavern (not below and to the left), and the "P" would always be with Peninsula Village Historic District. Nyttend (talk) 14:38, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

PS, I'm in the middle of moving a lot of the articles in the pictured category to a subcategory, so things will look different from in the screenshot, although perhaps you can create the same appearance by de-maximizing your browser window. Nyttend (talk) 14:41, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

As it happens, we just published a blogpost on the Wikimedia Blog documenting the process. Perhaps that would be useful? JSutherland (WMF) (talk) 14:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

First section here. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 16:37, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

This is a known issue, that cannot be fixed right now, because browsers don't allow us to control this behavior yet... See phab:T104541 —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 18:39, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

@Nyttend: Please feel encouraged to wander over there - everybody is welcome to report a bug and it's not complicated. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, but no point if this is a RESOLVED CANTFIX or whatever :-) Nyttend (talk) 21:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Blanked articles

Lately, I've been coming across articles which have been appearing blanked (see Gorseddau Tramway), even though they haven't been blanked. Any idea, what's up with this? GoodDay (talk) 14:22, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

#Why do all pages look blank?. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 14:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Here's one, I had to fix up. Also, had to fix this. -- GoodDay (talk) 14:31, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

As said at #Why do all pages look blank?, you only have to purge affected pages. Any edit will also do. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:48, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: The Incident Report says all affected pages have been auto-purged. Browser cache issue? - NQ-Alt (talk) 14:51, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

It says "Ori deploys hook to purge blank pages". I don't know whether that was supposed to purge all blank pages and be done by now. The three pages reported here had not been edited for months. I haven't seen blank pages myself for a while. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:07, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it should be done by now. If you run into a blank page, can you give me a link and NOT PURGE it? Legoktm (talk) 17:43, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Ramanaw mallam

Trying to rename this to Ramanaw Mallam but not allowed, suspect someone's circumvented something here...GrahamHardy (talk) 15:04, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@GrahamHardy: Salted by Yunshui. You can request removal at WP:RFPP - NQ-Alt (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

I have now moved it to Ramanaw Mallam without redirect. De728631 (talk) 15:10, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Disable Visual editor globally

Wikipedia:Help desk#3 questions

mw.user.options.set('visualeditor-enable',0); in global.js does not seem to disable it anymore. Any ideas? - NQ-Alt (talk) 17:27, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Template help needed (I think)

Please see User_talk:NeilN#Infobox_mystery. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:09, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Resolved by SiBr4 and NQ. Thanks! --NeilN ^{talk to me} 19:00, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Automated archiving fails

Can anyone see why, for example, Talk:Bengalis, Talk:Crimean status referendum, 2014 and Talk:Charlotte's web (cannabis) are not being automatically archived? they looks to me like they are set up correctly. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Archive locations changed as a result of subsequent page moves. Hopefully fixed now. [3] [4] [5]- NQ-Alt (talk) 19:15, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

@NQ-Alt: Good catch, thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Blocked!

Hi all... I just spent about an hour trying to figure out why I had been blocked from editing. It was apparently an IP address block. I couldn't even edit my own talk page. So eventually, I had a brainstorm and rebooted my computer, DSL modem and router, and now I'm back. I'd like to know how to keep this from happening. Is there a FAQ about it? Tfr000 (talk) 22:55, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:IPEXEMPTCONDITIONS NE Ent 23:23, 17 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I guess I'm looking for something more than that. The hour was spent trying to append some tag to my talk page (blocked from editing) and filling out some arbitration form (it insisted that I was not blocked, and it would not submit itself). I looked for something else, an email address maybe, and found nothing. What I'm saying is, I followed all the procedures and was defeated. "Unblock Ticket Request Systems" which refuse to help aren't very useful. Tfr000 (talk) 12:22, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Maybe Help:I have been blocked (this is linked at the bottom of Mediawiki:Blockedtext, the message you see when you try to edit while blocked). In your situation, the IRC channels, pointed to on that page, would probably have been the fastest way to get help. Tip: when you have a problem, copy any messages you get, or take screenshots. It's hard for people to figure out what happened after the fact if you can't provide details. I'm not familiar with the workings of UTRS, but I presume it wouldn't let you submit a request because it didn't see any block against your account (because your account wasn't blocked; the IP address you happened to be using was). This seems to me like a pretty glaring shortfall in UTRS for people accidentally affected by blocks. I don't know if there are technical reasons behind it, but I would suggest someone look into changing that, given that UTRS is one of the places we point people to if they're blocked. --71.119.131.184 (talk) 07:45, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, however, I'm either not finding or not noticing any IRC channels on either Help:I have been blocked or Mediawiki:Blockedtext. Tfr000 (talk) 22:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Categories not placing items in the File namespace correctly.

Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as hoaxes

This category has been stuck a 2 for days, even though there are no pages tagged as a hox. What's wrong?--Bbb23 (talk) 04:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

• @Bbb23: That is odd. On the main category page (Category:Speedy deletion) it lists the current pages under hoaxes as 1P, 2F. The 1 page is accounted for. I am assuming the 2F stands for 2 files so it must be something in the File namespace that is triggering it. I just don't know why it is not displaying those files in the category listings. The same thing is happening with Category:Candidates for speedy deletion for unspecified reason. It is showing 1F on the main category page but no listings. --Stabila711 (talk) 05:38, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
• This seems like a much larger issue and is probably worth a bug report. I would file one myself but I don't know how to do that. The File namespace is not being allocated to categories correctly. This can be seen multiple times on the speedy deletion page. Even a category marked for deletion as empty (Category:Wooldridge Monuments images) says it contains 10 files and even warns that it doesn't appear empty even though it is. I am going to copy and paste this thread over to VPT and request a bug report be filed. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:02, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

This thread was copied from the Help Desk. Would someone with more technical knowledge take a look at this and post a bug report if necessary? Thank you. --Stabila711 (talk) 06:02, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Stabila711.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:26, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Some cashing issue. WP:NULLEDIT also didn't help. Wasn't there some API call to force update? --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 06:53, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

User:Edgars2007: You might be thinking of titles=name of page with namespace&action=purge&forecelinkupdate. This doesn't help when used on the category, though. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Maybe :) Thanks. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 05:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

It appears the file count is not updated when a file is deleted, at least in the discussed cases. Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as hoaxes was empty but still said 2 files at Page information and in the parent category a second before I added a file as a test.[6] The count correctly changed to 1 right away. I removed the category again (without deleting the file) and the count correctly changed to 0. Google's cache shows Category:Wooldridge Monuments images did contain 10 files previously, for example File:Wooldridge Monuments 2.JPG. This and all the others are currently at Commons. Page information still claims 10. I haven't made tests to change this. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:44, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter. The addition and subtraction of a file in the Wooldridge Monuments category fixed that one as well. So this definitely seems like a caching issue in the File namespace. Now that we know exactly how to fix the problem, does that deserve a bug report or is that something that is just going to have to be lived with and fixed when it comes up? --Stabila711 (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

My suspicion is that this is another effect of phab:T115586 preventing links tables from being updated correctly. Anomie⚔ 13:10, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

• I have also noticed this when looking at c:Special:WantedCategories. That special page is now full of dated deletion categories which are now empty, but the special page thinks that they still contain lots of files. --Stefan2 (talk) 23:12, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle broken?

In the last view days, I've noticed that Twinkle is mostly broken. I've looked the the archives and found a discussion, but the "solution", turning off Content Translation, did not work. In fact, Content Translation was already turned off in my preferences. I've already cleared my JavaScript file and use [Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences], which I haven't done until today. I've also reset my preferences and turned Twinkle back on, but nothing works. TheFarix (talk) 12:46, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Seems to be working now. Not sure what was going on. —Farix (t | c) 12:52, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Block lengths

An administrator issued a block today, for 59 days. Today being the 19th of a 31 - day month the 19th of November would be 31 days hence, and 28 days further on, making up the 59 days, would bring us to 17 December, since November has 30 days. However, the block notice displayed on - screen when the editor attempts to edit says the block will expire on 18 December. Why the 24 - hour difference? The time at which the block expires is the same time as when the administrator made it.

Also, some administrators do funny blocks such as 2 years, 3 months, 4 hours, 5 minutes, 6 seconds, an orange and a lemon. How does the software handle those? 62.140.210.135 (talk) 15:43, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, it's the 18th. Explained. But I'm still interested in how the odd blocks mentioned are handled. 62.140.210.135 (talk) 15:45, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

How would you know what the block notice says when the blocked editor tries to edit? - NQ-Alt (talk) 15:59, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Based on what the OP has said it is clear they are User:Vote (X) for Change. I have blocked them for block evasion. HighInBC 16:09, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Where can I go for coding help?

I'm having trouble coding a template for a wiki that uses wikimedia-based markup. All the people I usually ask for help either cannot solve my problem, or are too busy to answer. Where is the appropriate place to go to ask for help with my specific problem?

Thanks, Iustinus (talk) 19:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

@Iustinus: Do you mean it is a Wikimedia wiki, i.e. a wiki run by the Wikimedia Foundation which runs Wikipedia? Or is it just a wiki using the same MediaWiki software as wikis of the Wikimedia Foundation? There is a general help desk for MediaWiki at mw:Project:Support desk. At Wikipedia:Help desk you may sometimes find help but can also be told it's only for Wikipedia. We do have Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing which is for anything computer related. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

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Bot borked

Cross posted from here:

Hey, this edit failed to add the nomination link to the article FAC to the talk page, for some reason. I'm not sure how to fix it either, can you take a look? I need it to work so that the Signpost's weekly compilation script works. ResMar 16:27, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

spurious nbsp with infobox cyclist

There seems to be a bug in template:Infobox cyclist wherein if there is a template:Convert nested within, a search for nbsp gives a false positive. For example, a search for nbsp has hits for Annie Ewart, Alison Tetrick, Andrea Dvorak, Ariane Horbach, Richard Lamb, Lauren Komanski, Laura Van Gilder, Claudia Lichtenberg, Allie Dragoo, Sara Mustonen (cyclist), Joël Zangerlé, Chris Froome, and many many more articles with this issue. It is a minor bug, but if a Wikipedian searches for articles with spurious "nbsp" strings, this bug generates a lot of false positives. —Anomalocaris (talk) 16:44, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

nowiki doesn't stop the html character entity for nbsp so this post should be viewed in the wikitext and not the rendered page to see what I talk about. If {{Infobox cyclist|weight = 58 kg}} is entered at Special:ExpandTemplates then it produces code for the infobox followed by [[Category:Pages using infobox cyclist with atypical values for height or weight|W]]<span style="display:none;visibility:hidden;color:transparent;">58&nbsp;kg</span>. In this ending code,   is converted to &nbsp; by Module:Infobox cyclist tracking. I don't know Lua so this is as far as I got. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:58, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

That's mad code. I work on cycling articles a lot and I have never used those values. I can't work out why I would want to. Two things should be done. First, the code should recognise {{convert}}. Second, it should stop outputting invisible span elements for no apparent reason. (The code could also usefully be documented, of course...) Relentlessly (talk) 18:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Module:Infobox cyclist tracking is made by User:Frietjes. I don't know the background. The issue happens for {{convert}} because it places a non-breaking space   between number and unit in the output. This is intentional and in accordance with WP:UNIT. My simplified example shows it is this   which is converted by Module:Infobox cyclist tracking to cause the reported issue. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

PrimeHunter: I don't understand where to find your simplified example, but, whatever the requirements of WP:UNIT, this problem is not showing up for other infoboxes such as Template:Infobox professional wrestler, Template:Infobox football biography, and Template:Infobox sportsperson. Interestingly, Template:Infobox golfer, Template:Infobox NFL player, and Template:Infobox ice hockey player all perform Metric/Imperial conversions without being asked. Why aren't these conversions exported to all human infoboxes having height/weight parameters? —Anomalocaris (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

My simplified example is {{Infobox cyclist|weight = 58 kg}} in my first post (see the wikitext to see it uses nbsp). I don't know other templates than {{Infobox cyclist}} (via code in Module:Infobox cyclist tracking) which adds non-displayed tracking code like this, but I haven't looked for it. Maybe Frietjes can say why it does it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:21, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

PrimeHunter: I see what you mean. I created User:Anomalocaris/sandbox with your snip of code, and when I display the page source, in addition to everything one would expect, it generates the garbage line

<p><span style="display:none;visibility:hidden;color:transparent;">58&amp;nbsp;kg</span></p>

So if a &nbsp; character is passed to {{Infobox cyclist}}, it generates the non-displaying nbsp garbage that is found in a general search. But {{Infobox professional wrestler}} doesn't generate any such garbage line. —Anomalocaris (talk) 23:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

It's not &nbsp; specifically: any format that doesn't match what was expected by the module author will output broken HTML. That includes any use of {{convert}}. Relentlessly (talk) 23:14, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, and I don't know whether there is any parameter value that will avoid the hidden code at the end. The only thing special about   is that the module converts it to  . That's normally a way to display the code for a html character entity in a html document instead of displaying the actual character. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:33, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I removed the hidden code output, it was useful when we were cleaning up these articles, but since no one is cleaning them up right now, there is no need for the code right now. Frietjes (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Read in another language button on mobile Wikipedia showing in Urdu

On my android phone, on Google chrome, when I'm logged in, if I scroll to the bottom of the page on the mobile site, the button that usually says Read in another language says ٻي ٻوليءَ ۾ پڙهو instead. I looked on Google translate and this is apparently Urdu, although it couldn't translate what it said. I haven't changed my language settings and it doesn't say this when I'm logged out, so I was just wandering why this is happening. Thanks.  Seagull123  Φ  19:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

It's in Sindhi language which Google Translate doesn't know. MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-language-article-heading/sd displays it so it must mean "Read in another language" like MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-language-article-heading. I don't know why you see it. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:09, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thank you. Google translate isn't the most accurate translator out there is it? But it isn't really bothering me, I was just curious why randomly, it would use Sindhi language for just one part of the page. Thanks again.  Seagull123  Φ  22:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I also use Google Translate. When it failed to translate I suspected that Urdu was a wrong guess so I did a Google search on the string. This revealed it was probably a language with code sd, and I found the string at MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-language-article-heading/sd – which is a MediaWiki default and therefore not searchable in the MediaWiki namespace. I knew to look there because https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Example?uselang=qqx displays "(mobile-frontend-language-article-heading)" in the location where normal mobile pages say "Read in another language", at least for me. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Strange breakage when editing a category

I went to Category:Immediate children/Tritylodontidae with the intention of adding {{db-catempty}}, but on clicking "edit this page", I got the screen as shown here. Ignore the pale blue backgrounds to two tabs: that's custom CSS because of my eyesight. But why is the puzzleball inside the border, why are the top menu and tabs pushed down, where are the sidebar links - in fact, why is it such a mess? And where does that text "The page that you are currently viewing contains information ..." (and the table below it) come from? --Redrose64 (talk) 21:08, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I think, some editnorice contains {{Taxonomy key}}. --Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 21:28, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

That's the actual Indeed. It comes from {{Immediate children category}} due to {{Editnotices/Namespace/Category}}. Template talk:Automatic taxobox might be a place to discuss its layout. DMacks (talk) 22:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

I was previewing the fix when Legoktm beat me to the save.[16] PrimeHunter (talk) 22:37, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Favicon

In Internet Explorer 11 in Windows 10, visited Wikipedia pages show a piece of paper with a folded corner rather than the Wikipedia favicon in the browsing history. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

JavaScript gadget problems

The problem I am about to describe may have something to do with Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Twinkle broken? or Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Pages without JS or CSS via Google, but editors there state the issues there have been resolved. Yet for me, the revert vandal, rollback, and revert good faith edits buttons that should be above each current edit 100% of the time now only appear intermittently. The RefToolbar and CharInsert also have this problem, even though all three gadgets are turned on in my preferences. Vycl1994 (talk) 06:09, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

If it's intermittent, that suggests that the problem isn't at your end but something elsewhere is being slow - either the bits server itself or your connection to it. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting

Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting normal contents has fewer than 300 entries, of which mostly are drafts which I ignore. Yesterday it suddenly started lots of entries, and they are articles which haven't had edits for weeks. I think it's still going up – current 8,700+ entries. What happens? Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Tue 17:08, wikitime= 09:08, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Is this due to phab:T114898, perhaps? Relentlessly (talk) 09:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

It happened since yesterday (Oct 19). Since working – current now 9200–ish Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Tue 18:18, wikitime= 10:18, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The category may have started being filled since yesterday but around the 9 October I noticed articles that hadn't previously been displaying ref errors were suddenly adorned with red warnings? I know there are other articles that are not (yet) appearing in that category that still have errors showing. SagaciousPhil - Chat 10:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Most probably it's the new cite error. See also here. Edgars2007 (talk/contribs) 10:41, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I'll wait. Instead I'll use wikidata. Oh no, that's broken too! I'll go for a shower then lunch! Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Tue 18:54, wikitime= 10:54, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T116149

I don't know what you usually do with the category but you could consider working on the new cite error. The error is supposed to say:

The named reference "$1" was defined multiple times with different content (see the help page).

However, the code for "Display 'cite_error_references_duplicate_key' next to the affected ref" at phab:T114898 moved the error message to a place where the help link is not displayed for some reason. Can somebody help with that? To see the difference, compare cache:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._P._J._Abdul_Kalam#References (currently cached 19. Oct 2015 17:06:55 GMT, error message displayed after references and has help link) to the current rendering of that revision [17] (error message displayed at reference 12 without help link). The message is made by MediaWiki:Cite error references duplicate key which calls {{Broken ref}}. The help link is added in Template:Broken ref/lang. It works for other cite error messages, for example MediaWiki:Cite error references no text in [18]. Maybe it should be reported at phab. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:04, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I try to mend Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting entries. If there a couple of dozen a day, then I try to mend then. If 10,800+ then I wouldn't if try.
Error message is Cite error: Invalid <ref> tag; name "$1" defined multiple times with different content (see the ). I.e. "$1" works, but end is (see the ). without any parameter. Unbuttered parsnip (talk) mytime= Tue 21:37, wikitime= 13:37, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The problem is not about omission of a parameter but about stripping of wikilinks. For testing I have added a simple unpiped link directly in the message [19]. The added code says (see [[Help:Cite errors/Cite error references duplicate key]]), but the rendering of a page built after the change [20] only says "(see )" in that location. There is no sign of the link or link text in the html of the rendered page which just says (see ). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The error message is accidentally being parsed twice (or perhaps once-and-a-half), which causes this behavior. Sorry about it. phab:T116149. Matma Rex talk 12:02, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

I want to reuse a photo in another Wikipedia article

The photo appears in Flat Rock Historic District but when I copy from the infobox exactly to St. John in the Wilderness (Flat Rock, North Carolina), or at least when I believe I do, I get "invalid designation".— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:07, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

 Fixed The left-hand vertical bar on the template was missing, possible during the copy. It's fine now. — Maile (talk) 14:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 14:15, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Patrolling my new creations

About a year ago, I created Forty-fifth State and several dozen similar redirects, and ONUnicorn has helpfully patrolled most or all of them in the last few minutes. Why is patrolling possible for these pages? I'm an administrator, and I was an administrator when these pages were created; aren't my creations autopatrolled? Nyttend (talk) 16:14, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Someone has nominated all those redirects for deletion. For some odd reason, whenever a redirect is nominated for deletion, it shows up in the new pages feed as an unpatrolled new article. I occasionally go through the new pages feed and mark them all as patrolled just to get them off the feed so that actual new articles are easier to find. You may want to comment on the RFD discussion. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:17, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

You already did comment I see. So never mind that part. But yeah; changing a redirect into an article, DAB page, or nominating it for deletion adds it to the new pages feed. Annoyingly, it adds it as of the date it was originally created, so those of us who work from the back of the feed forward find ourselves dealing with former redirects first instead of the oldest actual new articles. It's quick and easy to go through and check patrolled on all the redirects that have been nominated for deletion and makes it easier to see what's actually on the new pages feed that needs attention, and that's what I was doing. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:20, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

See phab:T92621: "Implement addition of un-redirected pages to Special:NewPages and Special:NewPagesFeed". When we nominate a redirect for deletion, we break the redirect. The software doesn't care and would have a hard time telling exactly what happened to a redirect. It just sees it's no longer a redirect. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:36, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

This isn't really a bug. It's to stop vandals/COI pushers getting around new page patrol by creating redirects and then editing them into articles (or worse, editing other people's redirects into articles). --ais523 20:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Blacklisted…

Website [now hidden in the code screen...] is blacklisted, at least since this edit in 2013. I’d like to find out, why. But the website is not mentioned on MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist. I’ve tried searching for it on Wikimedia’s Spam blacklist but that list seems not organized in any way so it is quite impossible to search in it—especially if you also want to find out exactly when (and why) a specific website was added to that list. --Corriebertus (talk) 09:11, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

@Corriebertus: MediaWiki talk:Spam-blacklist#www.kavkazcenter.com - NQ-Alt (talk) 09:20, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. --Corriebertus (talk) 10:32, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

Give out Deletion to Quality Awards and log at Hall of Fame

Please see Wikipedia:Bot_requests#Give_out_Deletion_to_Quality_Awards.

A one-time-run would be totally acceptable here.

Is there any way either a bot or someone with a user script or automated or semi-automated skills, can help out here ?

Thank you,

— Cirt (talk) 09:22, 21 October 2015 (UTC)