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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Cavarrone 08:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huang Shi An

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Although he was a Chinese calligrapher, I did not find any reliable information on relevant Chinese websites, fit with Wikipedia:Notability WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. "黄石庵的"传多一点"" [Huang Shi'an's "Passage a little more"]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). 2016-05-02.
  The article notes: "黄石庵原名子贞，生于1903年，原籍广东客家。他曾任《马华日报》总编辑，是南洋先驱书法家代表性人物，与朱自存先生等一起发起马来西亚书艺协会，一生积极推广书法艺术，甚为人敬重。黄老书法先由魏碑入手，继而钻研石门、何绍基，最后专心致力于康有为体，字体沉郁古朴，豪迈雄风。徐悲鸿称其书有南海气，认为黄氏之书风与其同出一家。石庵书法，曾在新加坡、中国北京中国画研究院等地办过个展。"
  From Google Translate: "Huang Shi'an, whose original name was Zizhen, was born in 1903 and was originally from Hakka in Guangdong. He was the former editor-in-chief of "Mahua Daily" and was a representative figure of pioneer calligraphers in Nanyang. He founded the Malaysian Calligraphy Association together with Mr. Zhu Zicun and others. He actively promoted the art of calligraphy throughout his life and was highly respected by people. Huang Lao first started with Wei Bei's calligraphy, then studied Shimen and He Shaoji, and finally concentrated on Kang Youwei's calligraphy, with his calligraphy being melancholy, simple and heroic. Xu Beihong said that his calligraphy has the style of the South China Sea, and he believed that Huang's calligraphy style came from the same family as him. Shi An's calligraphy has been held in solo exhibitions in Singapore, the Chinese Painting Research Institute in Beijing, China, and other places."
  The article notes: "写这幅对联时黄老86岁，两年后，1990年，黄老病逝于吉隆坡。"
  From Google Translate: "Huang Lao was 86 years old when he wrote this couplet. Two years later, in 1990, Huang Lao died of illness in Kuala Lumpur."
2. "Chinese Calligraphy article". 中国书法 [Chinese Calligraphy] (in Chinese). 2006. p. 83. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via Google Books.
  The article notes: "其他著名的书家还有李家耀、黄石庵。... 黄石庵曾是两任《马华日报》总编,历任马来西亚书法赛评审,积极推广书法艺术在马来西亚的发展,门生有刘创周 ī 每父に記依嶼津吴雙清心☆彬米雲之祐道兄属陈景昭南马柔佛州的书法,以麻坡陈人浩的影响为最深。"
  From Google Translate: "Other famous calligraphers include Li Jiayao and Huang Shi'an. ... Huang Shi'an was the editor-in-chief of the "Mahua Daily" for two terms, and served as a judge for the Malaysian Calligraphy Competition. He actively promoted the development of calligraphy art in Malaysia. His students include Liu Chuangzhou ī Every father に记 Yiyujin Wu Shuangqingxin☆ Binmi Yunzhi Brother Yau Tao is a calligrapher from Johor State in southern Malaysia, Chen Jingzhao, with the greatest influence being from Muar’s Chen Renhao."
3. 美术辞林: 书法艺术卷 [Art Dictionary: The Art of Calligraphy Vol.] (in Chinese). 陕西人民美术出版社. Shaanxi People's Fine Arts Publishing House. 1992. p. 324. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "【黄石庵】 1902 年生于广东惠应县,中国血统马来西亚书法家。黄石庵早年即浸淫于诗词、书法,十四岁时在全县诗词书法比赛中名列-榜首。至今临池不辍,达七十余载。其书法由帖到碑,再汉入魏,又潜心于康有为、于右任书风的探求,并极力追求时代气息,形成了沉^古朴、表迈雄强的书风,"
  From Google Translate: "[Huang Shi An] Born in Huiying County, Guangdong in 1902, he is a Malaysian calligrapher of Chinese origin. Huang Shi An was immersed in poetry and calligraphy in his early years. At the age of fourteen, he ranked first in the county's poetry and calligraphy competition. So far, I have been visiting the pond for more than seventy years. His calligraphy evolved from calligraphy to tablets, and then from the Han Dynasty to the Wei Dynasty. He also devoted himself to the exploration of the calligraphy style of Kang Youwei and Yu Youren, and vigorously pursued the flavor of the times, forming a calligraphy style that is simple, simple, and majestic."
4. "大马书法界耆宿黄石庵书法展览下月初在我国举行" [The calligraphy exhibition of Huang Shi'an, a veteran in the Malaysian calligraphy circle, will be held in Malaysia early next month.]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). 1986-03-24. p. 4. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  The article notes: "应新加坡中华书学协会之邀,马来西亚书界耆宿黄石庵将于4月3日至 6日,在中华总商会展览厅举行个人书法展览会。配合展览会的举行, 中华书协将在社会发展部及李氏基金的赞助下,出版《黄石庵八四书集览》1000册,以广流传"
  From Google Translate: "At the invitation of the Singapore Chinese Calligraphy Association, Wong Shek An, a veteran in the Malaysian calligraphy community, will hold a personal calligraphy exhibition at the Chinese General Chamber of Commerce Exhibition Hall from April 3 to 6. In conjunction with the exhibition, the Chinese Calligraphers Association, with the sponsorship of the Ministry of Social Development and the Lee Foundation, will publish 1,000 volumes of "Collection of Huang Shi'an's Eighty-Four Books" to spread widely."
5. "黄石庵老先生千古 (黄公于1990年12月14日上午7时归道,享年88岁)" [Mr. Huang Shi'an through the ages (Huang Gong returned home at 7:00 am on 14 December 1990, at the age of 88)]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). 1990-12-15. p. 63. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  The article verifies Huang Shi'an died on 14 December 1990.
6. "黄石庵书法义展即起创价文化中心举行" [Huang Shi'an calligraphy benefit exhibition to be held at Soka Cultural Center]. Nanyang Siang Pau (in Chinese). 2005-05-27. p. B10.
  The article notes: "马来西亚书艺协会顾问姚拓曾指出，黄石庵从小学习楷书，后来又专门研究魏碑、石门，也曾学习刘墉、何绍基及康有为的书体。他的作品造诣深厚，一笔一划看似漫不经意，其实是一气呵成，流露天真与自然。书画展每日开放"
  From Google Translate: "Yao Tuo, consultant of the Malaysian Calligraphy Association, once pointed out that Huang Shi'an studied regular script since childhood, and later specialized in Wei Stele and Shimen. He also studied the calligraphy styles of Liu Yong, He Shaoji and Kang Youwei. His works are profound, and each stroke may seem careless, but in fact they are completed in one go, revealing truth and nature. Calligraphy and painting exhibition open daily."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Huang Shi An (simplified Chinese: 黄石庵; traditional Chinese: 黃石庵) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any editor want to take on assessing some of these sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources found by Cunard. Mccapra (talk) 07:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huaguoyuan Towers

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The Huaguoyuan Tower is a pair of super tall skyscrapers located in Guiyang, Guizhou, China. However, I couldn't find a lot of relevant information on Chinese search engines, perhaps due to translation issues. In fact, the media did not continue to pay attention to this building, which is in line with Wikipedia:Notability WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some references from the Chinese Wikipedia. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Chen, Yue; Feng, Yan 冯艳 (2015-09-21). Zhao, Xingzhi 赵兴智 (ed.). "中国第一高——花果园双子塔封顶" [The Tallest in China - Huaguoyuan Twin Towers Topped Out]. 贵州商报 [Guizhou Business Daily] (in Chinese). Guizhou Daily. Archived from the original on 2017-06-16. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "花果园双子塔坐落于贵州省最大旧城改造项目——花果园项目的核心位置，分东西两座塔楼，两塔结构高度和建筑总高度分别均为334.35米和406米，属于花果园200万平方米商业规划中最重要部分。作为贵阳未来城市的地标性建筑和贵阳城市经济发展的缩影，双子塔规划时就被赋予了“铭记加速发展、加快转型的奋进贵州”的特殊含义，奠基时更被看作是“我国西部崛起的一个标志”。"
  From Google Translate: "The Huaguoyuan Twin Towers are located at the core of the Huaguoyuan Project, the largest old city renovation project in Guizhou Province. They are divided into two towers, the east and west towers. The structural height of the two towers and the total building height are 334.35 meters and 406 meters respectively. They belong to the Huaguoyuan 2 million Square meters are the most important part of business planning. As the landmark building of Guiyang's future city and the epitome of Guiyang's urban economic development, the Twin Towers were given the special meaning of "keeping in mind the accelerating development and transformation of Guizhou" when they were planned. When the foundation was laid, they were even regarded as "the rise of western my country." a sign of"."
2. Liu, Lihong 刘丽红 (2018-04-12). "贵阳花果园双子塔开启全球招租" [Guiyang Huaguoyuan Twin Towers opens global leasing] (in Chinese). China Internet Information Center. Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "贵阳国际贸易中心双子塔高335米，是目前全国已经修建完成的最高“双子塔”，分为A、B两座，A座是贵阳少有的超甲级写字楼，属于贵阳写字楼的翘楚。B座则是贵阳的首家超奢华五星费尔蒙酒店及部分高端公寓。"
  From Google Translate: "The twin towers of Guiyang International Trade Center are 335 meters high and are the tallest "twin towers" that have been built in the country. They are divided into two towers, A and B. Tower A is a rare super-A office building in Guiyang and is the leader of Guiyang office buildings. Tower B is Guiyang’s first ultra-luxury five-star Fairmont hotel and some high-end apartments."
3. "央视上演"厉害了我的国"全国33个城市地标主题灯光秀花果园双子塔闪耀筑城" [CCTV staged "My Country is Amazing" with landmark-themed light shows in 33 cities across the country, and the Twin Towers of the Flower Orchard shimmered into the city.] (in Chinese). China Internet Information Center. 2017-10-09. Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "贵阳花果园项目“双子塔工程”，位于贵阳市南明区花果园项目中部彭家湾地段，贵黄公路、川黔铁路和贵广高铁以北，花溪大道西侧。它以335米的建设高度成为贵阳城市的新地标。作为贵阳城市的地标性建筑和贵阳城市经济发展的缩影，双子塔规划时就被看作“我国西部崛起的一个标志”。"
  From Google Translate: "The "Twin Towers Project" of Guiyang Huaguoyuan Project is located in the Pengjiawan section of the central Huaguoyuan Project in Nanming District, Guiyang City, north of Guihuang Highway, Sichuan-Guizhou Railway and Guizhou-Guangzhou High-speed Railway, and on the west side of Huaxi Avenue. With a construction height of 335 meters, it has become a new landmark in Guiyang city. As a landmark building in Guiyang and the epitome of Guiyang's economic development, the Twin Towers were regarded as "a symbol of the rise of western my country" when they were planned."
4. Xu, Qifei 徐其飞 (2020-08-19). Gao, Linxiao 郜林筱; Chen, Kangqing 陈康清 (eds.). "清晨登顶花果园双子塔一览"云隙光瀑"奇观" [Climb to the top of the Huaguoyuan Twin Towers in the early morning to see the wonders of the "Light Waterfall in the Clouds"]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "站在花果园双子塔上望去，只见一束束阳光穿透云层，如从天而降的“瀑布”直泻大地。大大小小的山头在光瀑的照射下，散发出空灵、静谧的魅力。"
  From Google Translate: "Standing on the Twin Towers of Huaguoyuan, you can see beams of sunlight penetrating the clouds, like "waterfalls" falling from the sky to the earth. Under the illumination of the light waterfall, the mountains, large and small, exude an ethereal and quiet charm."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the Huaguoyuan Towers (simplified Chinese: 花果园双子塔; traditional Chinese: 花果園雙子星大樓), also known as Guiyang International Trade Center (simplified Chinese: 贵阳国际贸易中心; traditional Chinese: 貴陽國際貿易中心) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per @Cunard's argument ; thank you @Eastmain for the added references. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 10:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xing Ruiming

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Non notable individual. Can't check the sources since they are offline. Claim of notability is bogus anyway Bedivere (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that author of the page is also the grandson/daughter of this individual, as they have so claimed on their talk page and on Commons Bedivere (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and my grandma passed away a long time ago. And I have been retired for 7 years, at my late 60's already. Ctxz2323 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that does not exempt you from having a conflict of interest, or in simpler words, an extremely subjective point of view, which reads clearly on your article. Nothing against your grandmother, it's just that I fail to see how she is encyclopedically relevant. Bedivere (talk) 01:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of the sources listed under References are online with links available. Ctxz2323 (talk) 23:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And notability is supported by these sources (in Chinese). Ctxz2323 (talk) 23:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Extremely weak~~keep The sourcing is marginal and the tone is not encyclopedic but we have two sources with a substantial amount of detail (one of which has a problem -- see below). Here's a very quick summary:
1, 6 - does not appear to be independent if published by the church
2, 4 - Definitely talk about the article subject but hosted by fx361.com, which appears to be a site for pirated copyrighted materials; how can we assess whether these articles actually appeared in this form in the publications listed?
3 - can't access, summary doesn't mention the article subject
5 - yes, this appears to be a detailed obituary-type article

For #4, the Zhang Li article this link [1] is better.

I can see that the article creator put a lot of work into this but it could be improved by making it a lot shorter and objective. The tone is completely lacking in neutrality, perhaps what we'd expect from a conflict-of-interest editor but that's no excuse. Articles must have encyclopedic tone. Words about being devoted to spreading the gospel, "precious memories", and "loved God and people" are not neutral and should be deleted or put into a neutral tone (if clearly supported by the sources). Oblivy (talk) 01:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have just changed the Zhang Li article link to the better one.

And will do more on your good suggestions.

I would also like to thank Cielquiparle (talk · contribs) and the other editors who are helping to bring the article up to the level. Ctxz2323 (talk) 07:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the 'extremely weak' from my vote as it seems this article has been greatly improved. It is still, in my opinion, unacceptably hagiographic (treating the subject with undue reverence)), but I don't think that's an issue for this forum.Oblivy (talk) 02:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment commenting at the bottom to try to distance this a bit from the strong language used by @Bedivere, I want to make two points on the issue of conflict of interest here:

First, @Ctxz2323 did the correct thing disclosing the COI, although probably the article should have been submitted through AfC rather than through direct creation.
Second, as I've said above this article suffers from a non-neutral tone. Although the WP:COI guideline says editors "are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly," speaking for myself, I would welcome if @Ctxz2323 takes their hand to reducing the non-neutral language. They are familiar with the sources and now that the issue has been pointed out perhaps they can improve the article's neutrality. Put more bluntly, I don't think it should be the responsibility of other editors to clean up the mess.

Oblivy (talk) 07:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Xie, Qiongxia 谢琼霞 (2014-07-18). "邢瑞鸣一生献给教育事业" [Xing Ruiming dedicated his life to education]. 汕头特区晚报 [Shantou Special Economic Zone Evening News] (in Chinese).
  The article contains 1,336 words about Xing Ruiming. The article notes: "邢瑞鸣，清光绪十四年（1888）出生于揭阳榕城凤围乡一个贫苦的农民家庭。青年时期的邢瑞鸣热爱读书，由于从小接受新思想新文化的影响，思想进步，她坚决反对妇女缠足，并率先垂范。她主张妇女应彻底打破封建礼制的桎梏，走出闺房，走向社会，学文化，学本领，成为一个自食其力、独立自主的人。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming was born into a poor peasant family in Fengwei Township, Rongcheng, Jieyang in the 14th year of Guangxu's reign in the Qing Dynasty (1888). In her youth, Xing Ruiming loved reading. Due to the influence of new ideas and new culture she had received since she was a child, her thoughts were progressive. She firmly opposed women's foot binding and took the lead in setting an example. She advocated that women should completely break the shackles of feudal etiquette, step out of the boudoir, go into society, learn culture and skills, and become a self-reliant, independent person."
  The article notes: "光绪三十一年（1905），邢瑞鸣由基督教会推选到汕头正光女子学校读书，在校期间因品学兼优而被推选为“女宣道会”(即学生会)主席。光绪三十六年（1910）她以优异成绩毕业，回到揭阳。"
  From Google Translate: "In the 31st year of Guangxu (1905), Xing Ruiming was elected by the Christian Church to study at Shantou Zhengguang Women's School. During her time in school, she was elected as the president of the "Female Missionary Association" (i.e. student union) because of her excellent academic performance. In the thirty-sixth year of Guangxu (1910), she graduated with honors and returned to Jieyang."
2. Chen, Chujin 陈楚金 (2014-03-07). "潮汕女子学校之滥觞" [The origin of Chaoshan Girls’ School]. 汕头特区晚报 [Shantou Special Economic Zone Evening News] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "1908年，受基督教会之托，邢瑞鸣在揭阳北门马牙街开办宗光女校。该校历届学生共有150人，学习科目有国文、数学、历史、地理、圣经等。学校由教会筹资，也只收教徒家女孩为学生。... 1913年，邢瑞鸣在揭阳竹巷内创办静远女校，开始只招20多名女生，办一个班，不到4年，全校就有80多名女学生，连邻近的男孩子也到这里来上学。... 1915年，邢瑞鸣联合揭阳县长周伯初在韩祠路创办揭阳职业女校。"
  From Google Translate: "In 1908, entrusted by the Christian Church, Xing Ruiming opened Zongguang Girls' School in Ma Ya Street, Beimen, Jieyang. There are a total of 150 students in the school, who study subjects such as Chinese, mathematics, history, geography, Bible, etc. The school is funded by the church and only accepts girls from religious families as students. ...In 1913, Xing Ruiming founded Jingyuan Girls' School in Zhuxiang, Jieyang. At first, she only recruited more than 20 girls and ran one class. In less than 4 years, there were more than 80 female students in the whole school, and even the boys nearby Come here to school. ...In 1915, Xing Ruiming and Jieyang County Magistrate Zhou Bochu founded Jieyang Vocational Girls School on Hanci Road."
3. "邢瑞鸣与近代揭阳女子教育" [Xing Ruiming and modern women's education in Jieyang]. 汕头特区晚报 [Shantou Special Economic Zone Evening News] (in Chinese). 2008-04-27.
  The article contains 926 words about Xing Ruiming. The article notes: "1919年以后，邢瑞鸣老师曾先后被聘任为真理女校校长，真理中学校董，县立女子中学教师兼舍监。后来，看到县城女子读书已较为普遍，他又和当时教会中两位同道到农村办短期识字班，教农村妇女识字。在短促三年时间，她深入到潮汕的许多穷乡僻壤，为提高广大农村妇女的知识水平做出了一定的贡献。"
  From Google Translate: "After 1919, Teacher Xing Ruiming was successively appointed as the principal of Zhenzhen Girls’ School, the director of Zhenzhen Middle School, and the teacher and dormitory supervisor of County Girls’ Middle School. Later, seeing that it was more common for women to read in the county, she and two colleagues from the church at that time went to the countryside to run short-term literacy classes to teach rural women how to read. In just three years, she went deep into many remote areas of Chaoshan and made certain contributions to improving the knowledge level of rural women."
4. Cai, Yilong 蔡逸龙 (2021-07-07). "【行走绿廊,感受水城文化之58】静远女校和一位专职女校长的往事" [[Walking on the green corridor, feeling the culture of Shuicheng No. 58] The past of Jingyuan Girls’ School and a full-time female principal]. 揭阳日报 [Jieyang Daily] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "邢瑞鸣（1889~1990），女，榕城东郊凤围人。因父亲是基督教徒，她在10岁那年，得以走进进贤门外的竹巷静远轩，成为女子识字班的首批学生。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming (1889~1990), female, was from Fengwei, the eastern suburb of Rongcheng. Because her father was a Christian, she was able to enter Jingyuanxuan in Zhuxiang outside Jinxianmen when she was 10 years old, and became the first batch of students in the girls' literacy class."
  The article notes: "邢瑞鸣生于清末，追求进步，除了学文化外，还剪短发，不缠足。进入民国时期，她生育有4个儿女，全都送进学校接受新文化教育。她的大女儿陈诗辉，18岁大学毕业后返回揭阳，在一所学校当了校长。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming was born in the late Qing Dynasty and pursued progress. In addition to studying culture, he also cut his hair short and did not bind his feet. During the Republic of China, she gave birth to four children, all of whom were sent to school to receive new cultural education. Her eldest daughter Chen Shihui returned to Jieyang after graduating from college at the age of 18 and became the principal of a school."
5. Zhang, Li 张丽 (2018). "女学与社会:多重语境下的近代潮汕女子教育认领" [Women Education and Society: Modern Chaoshan's Women Education in Multiple Contexts]. 《汕头大学学报（人文社会科学版）》 [Journal of Shantou University (Humanities and Social Sciences Edition)] (in Chinese). No. 8. Retrieved 2024-04-08 – via CQVIP [zh].
  The article notes: "1908年 ... 邢瑞鸣受教会委托办宗光女校；1913年 ... 邢瑞鸣办静远女校；1915年吴月珍办枫溪坤范女学堂；1918年邢瑞鸣办揭阳职业女校；... 其中有些女学人的女学实践极为丰富，如 ... 邢瑞鸣先后创办或主办过宗光女校、静远女校、揭阳职业女校等3所女校，兼任过多所学校校长、教师、舍监等职。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming was entrusted by the church to set up Zongguang Girls' School; in 1913, ... and Xing Ruiming set up Jingyuan Girls' School; in 1915, Wu Yuezhen set up Fengxi Kunfan Girls' School; in 1918, Xing Ruiming set up Jieyang Vocational Girls' School;... Some of these female scholars have extremely rich practices in female education. For example, ... Xing Ruiming successively founded or hosted three girls' schools, including Zongguang Girls' School, Jingyuan Girls' School, and Jieyang Vocational Girls' School, concurrently serving as principal, teacher, housemaster and other positions in many schools."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Xing Ruiming (simplified Chinese: 邢瑞鸣; traditional Chinese: 邢瑞鳴; pinyin: Xíng Ruìmíng) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Thank you, Ctxz2323 (talk · contribs), for creating this article on your grandmother, who is an important figure in early 20th-century education in Guangdong, China. That Xing Ruiming (1888–1990) is still getting significant coverage in 2008, 2014, 2018, and 2021 strongly establishes that she is notable. You disclosed your conflict of interest on the talk page.
I agree with Oblivy (talk · contribs)'s comments about how to proceed when creating an article when having a conflict of interest. If you encounter a conflict-of-interest situation in the future, I recommend asking for review by making a post in in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red (for articles on women) and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China (for articles on Chinese topics).
Although the article had neutral point of view issues, the article has been thoroughly cleaned up by Cielquiparle (talk · contribs) (thank you). Cunard (talk) 09:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. You are a great help! Ctxz2323 (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section entitled "Weakness and criticism" has been added to the article. Ctxz2323 (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section that was removed as unencyclopaedic and non-neutral. That is the whole point of this deletion request. Bedivere (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified by Cunard in this discussion that together shows a pass of WP:GNG, and the fact that coverage has been sustained over a long period, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources identified by Cunard, which help to establish a WP:GNG pass; looks like a couple still need to be added to the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. A reminder to the nominator that AFDs are not a way to get an article better sourced. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. And if you "hate to do this" maybe think twice about what you are doing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irma Tam Soong

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I hate to do this to someone who clearly has done a lot of good work in their life, but she seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. There is practically no news coverage of her beyond WP:NOBITS. She has exactly one notable paper and while that does seem to get a bit of citing, it's probably not enough, as usually need multiple notable publications to be considered notable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. It appears likely that one or both of her books should be notable, although finding reviews is more difficult for someone who worked before the internet era. FWIW, there's another, earlier, profile of her in the Star Bulletin [2]. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good find, maybe one or two more, and she could meet WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Can someone open this [3] it seems to talk about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be her most notable work, "Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i" it's discussed here [4] and her paper is quoted here :[5]. Oaktree b (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At the very least, should be mentioned in the Hawaiʻi Chinese History Center article (now a red link). Oaktree b (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This, this, this, this, this and this should be enough for GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 05:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are probably newspaper reviews of her books, but pre-internet - someone with access to US/Hawaii sources could probably find them. I've removed the unnecessary names of the grand- and greatgrandchildren. PamD 07:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: sources added after the nomination show a clear case for WP:GNG.Contributor892z (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. The sources identified by Somebodyidkfkdt and Russ Woodroofe were particularly helpful – absolute best of the lot included "IRMA TAM SOONG: Historian" in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin in 1990, and "Whither the Chinese History Center?" in the the Honolulu Advertiser in 1974. Soong is discussed and quoted in numerous other newspaper articles, also in California where she was a frequent public speaker as well as a lecturer in Chinese language and literature at Pomona College. In terms of national recognition, Soong received a an award from the American Association for State and Local History in 1975. As noted by Oaktree b above, her most widely cited work is her 1997 article in The Hawaiian Journal of History, titled "Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i", which is quoted in various publications such as Sino-Christian Studies, the Journal of Pacific History, and Chinese America: History and Perspectives. The article now tells a very complete story about the life of Irma Tam Soong, and there are numerous other sources cited in the article now besides. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: With the new sources found, we have notability. More than enough for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. Excellent work by Cielquiparle. Toughpigs (talk) 01:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: I'm leaning towards keep per WP:HEY. I'm glad to see the new sources, this was what I was hoping might come out of this AfD Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Although this article could use some work and more extensive sourcing, I see a consensus to Keep it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhu Wuhua

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Unsourced since 2008. The subject might possibly be notable as a founding member of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but that assertion appears to be unverifiable. – bradv 16:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Comment, I would be extremely nervous of deleting this article unless someone with good knowledge of the Chinese academic system in the 20th C is prepared to say he isn't notable. By his dates, his career would have taken place almost entirely before internet. During much of it, contact between the Chinese academic world and the west was very thin. It is likely that most sources talking about him will be on paper, and in Chinese. The Chinese Academy of Sciences is a big thing. We really need expert input on this, not just those of us who cannot see the mid 20th C in China saying "I can't see anything!". Elemimele (talk) 20:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I would be extremely chary of keeping this article if it is neither properly sourced nor its assertions proven. We do not need "expert input" on the basic principles that a biographical article must satisfy the requirements of WP:GNG, and in this case WP:V as well. Until and unless this one does, add me to the Delete column, with no prejudice against recreation should such sources be uncovered in the future. Ravenswing 00:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Keep I did an extremely quick google search on his name and came up with many articles substantiating his career. He was the head (校长) of Jiaotong University, one of the top universities in China. I just added a link describing what can be fairly described as a festschrift for his 65th anniversary of teaching. Per WP:NPROF this should be enough.
  "Neither properly sourced nor its assertions proven" isn't a valid rationale if sources exist. And "unverifiable" simply doesn't hold water. I'm not trying to excuse the fact this article lacks sourcing but per WP:BEFORE this should have been researched prior to bringing an AfD Oblivy (talk) 02:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets WP:NPROF criterion 6 as a former president of Shanghai Jiaotong University. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Its unclear to me whether his relationship to CAS was as a researcher for them (not automatically notable) or as an honorary member of the academy (notable), but it doesn't matter. President of SJTU is enough by itself, as Mx. Granger notes. Incidentally, the same link also gives him a pass of WP:NPOL as a representative in the 3rd National People's Congress. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree the wording of WP:NPOL supports this but it would seem a perverse result if nearly 3,000 NPC members (in each term) meet notability! One might think that the NPCSC (currently 175 members) would be a better cutoff. Just a comment as this individual unquestionably passes muster under NPROF. Oblivy (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Germany's Bundestag has 735 members representing a country of 80 million, and evidently they're all presumed notable per NPOL. China's NPC has about four times as many members for a population more than 15 times as large. It's not unreasonable on its face to presume notability for them too. In any case, as you say, it shouldn't affect the result here – maybe something to discuss at WT:China one of these days. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, it's right, and there should be a limiting factor in terms of press coverage (although even minor members can generate a lot of "warmly greeted by villagers and workers" stories). But 3,000 part-time delegates seems like a truck-size hole in the policy. No evidence it's a problem right now, certainly not for someone this notable. Oblivy (talk) 00:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets WP:PROF#C6. Contributor892z (talk) 10:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (clarifying my comment above, in light of Oblivy and Mx. Granger's work). Also with thanks to Oblivy for explaining our WP:NEXISTS policy, which is also common-sense: when an article currently lacks sourcing, but real-world sources are probably available, it is much more helpful to find them, than to delete. It is, admittedly, often quite hard to search out Chinese names, requiring a bit more expertise and effort than for Westerners. Elemimele (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 00:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shi De Yang

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Page has two unsourced sections, proposed deletion was removed with two citations added - these two citations have not satisfied the need for reliable, secondary citations on this page, of which I have previously been unable to find. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. "New Century article". 新世纪 [New Century]. 1995. Retrieved 2024-04-05 – via Google Books.
  The article notes: "释德扬俗名史万峰。 1967 年出生在河南太康县一个干部家庭。童年时期,他的邻居(一个出家少林寺又返俗的老人)经常向他讲起当年身穿大红袈裟,遍游名山大川的游僧生活,并私下向他传授一些少林功夫,使他幼小的心灵充满了当和尚和学习少林武术的向往。 1983 年初中一毕业,他便向父母提出了到少林寺出家的要求。在他软硬磨下,父母亲也只好同意了他的选择。他来到了梦寐以求的少林寺,拜在首座僧素喜禅师门下为徒,成了年龄最小的一名和尚。寺里生活清苦枯燥,处处受到清规戒律的约束不说,光是练功的苦,就让他吃不消。"
  From Google Translate: "Shi Deyang's common name is Shi Wanfeng. Born in 1967 in Taikang County, Henan into a cadre family. During his childhood, his neighbor (an old man who became a monk in the Shaolin Temple and returned to secular life) often told him about the life of a wandering monk who wore red cassocks and traveled to famous mountains and rivers. He also taught him some Shaolin Kungfu privately, which made his young mind Full of yearning to become a monk and learn Shaolin martial arts. After graduating from junior high school in 1983, he asked his parents to become a monk in the Shaolin Temple. After being pushed hard by him, his parents had no choice but to agree to his choice. He came to the Shaolin Temple that he dreamed of and became a disciple under the first monk, Zen Master Suxi, and became the youngest monk. Life in the temple was hard and boring, and not only was he bound by strict rules and regulations, but the hardship of practicing martial arts was too much for him."
2. Zhong, Yulan 钟玉岚 (2015-05-26). "少林功夫大师释德扬西班牙传功讲禅" [Shaolin Kung Fu Master Shi De Yang teaches Kung Fu and Zen in Spain] (in Chinese). Xinhua News Agency. Archived from the original on 2024-04-02. Retrieved 2024-04-02.
  The article notes: "释德扬大师１９６８年出生，１５岁开始习武，是少林功夫第３１代传人，曾担任多年少林寺武僧总教练。释德扬大师的徒弟中，比较为人熟知的当属电影《功夫》中“苦力强”、《叶问》中“武痴林”的扮演者释行宇。"
  From Google Translate: "Master Shi Deyang was born in 1968 and started practicing martial arts at the age of 15. He is the 31st generation successor of Shaolin Kung Fu and has served as the head coach of Shaolin Temple monks for many years. Among Master Shi Deyang's apprentices, the more well-known ones are Shi Xingyu, who played "Coolie Strong" in the movie Kung Fu Hustle and "Wu Chi Lin" in Ip Man."
3. Wu, Bo 吴渤 (2007-09-25). "少林武术总教头自认是功夫本科生(组图)" [The chief Shaolin martial arts instructor considers himself a Kung Fu undergraduate (photo)]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-02. Retrieved 2024-04-02 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "德扬大师现在是少林寺辈分最高的人，住持的辈分比他还低了两辈。对于有人说释永信是佛门CEO，每天开宝马，用手提电脑，有几个秘书，有大学生提出，这似乎有悖于僧人刻苦修行的形象，而德扬大师回应：“这有什么不可以的。”"
  From Google Translate: "Master Deyang is now the most senior person in Shaolin Temple, and abbot Shi Yongxin is two generations below him. Some college students said that Shi Yongxin is the CEO of Buddhism. He drives a BMW every day, uses a laptop, and has several secretaries. This seems to go against the image of a monk practicing hard. Master Deyang responded: "What's wrong with this?""
4. Pearce, Elisha (2015-09-24). "Shaolin Grand Master lends praise". Penrith City Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-04-05. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  The article notes: "The Emerald Dragon Martial Arts Academy hosted Grand Master Shi De Yang from the Shaolin Monastery in China — a 1500-year-old temple. He is the 31st Grand Master of the fighting monks and has lived in the monastery since he was nine. Considered the world's finest exponent of Shaolin kung fu, Shi De Yang was in Australia because the centre director, David Greenland, is his student."
5. Welsch, Chris (1996-10-27). "Zen, then and now - Inspired by a childhood love of the TV show 'Kung Fu,' a traveler visits the real Shaolin Temple. Appropriate to the place where Zen began, it's hard to say which is more improbable - the fiction or the reality". Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-04-05. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  The article notes: "On the wall were posters of the monk we had come to see, Shi De Yang. At 28, he is one of the senior monks, in charge of teaching initiates kung fu and Buddhist doctrine. One of the posters shows Shi standing on a mountain top kicking straight up into the air - literally doing the splits vertically, the flat of his foot aimed at the sky, an intense mask of martial resolve on his face. The posters were from performance tours of Japan. He entered the room from his study in the adjoining room. He wore an orange robe that left one of his baroquely muscled shoulders bare. He shook our hands and, signaling for us to wait, disappeared outside. He returned smiling, with three ice-cold bottles of water."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Shi De Yang (simplified Chinese: 释德扬; traditional Chinese: 釋德揚) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of the sources provided, the first and third seem to be the only ones appropriate. The first because it's a good resource for his early life and how he came to be a monk and the third because it seems to be a pretty good interview.

The second is more "he was here" than "this is about him" alongside some basic facts, which I suppose would assist the article, the fourth is much the same with less usefulness aside from where he's based (Works? Studies? Please correct me here, I'm genuinely curious) and the fifth more speaks to his character than anything else, alongside being a passing mention in a rather long article.

There are still large swathes of the article that are completely unsourced as of yet, which really is the main concern here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already know that you're willing to improve this article, so would you be willing to remove these unsourced sections and replace them with sourced content? You seem to be the best placed to do so. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - That there are unsourced sections is not something solved via deletion; that is a surmountable problem and AfD is not cleanup. The sources present in the article and presented above show notability that meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. - Aoidh (talk) 04:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Mac Tonight Party

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I am unable to find any significant coverage of "Mac Tonight Party" on Google that would warrant a separate article from the already existing mention of this topic in Mac Tonight. Deauthorized. ^(talk) 22:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Delete~~ I tried to find sources including using some Chinese keywords to find local press, and found nothing. South China Morning Post mentioned the campaign got an advertising award but that was just name-checking without content. Lots of plush toys available for sale, cute but not WP:RS.
Redirect for all the good reasons given by @Cunard. I don't think the existence on McDonald's website does anything but prove it's not a hoax. Oblivy (talk) 06:14, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Mac Tonight#Reintroduction in Southeast Asia (2006–2010) (with the history preserved under the redirect), where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. Mac Tonight Party is discussed on the website of McDonald's Hong Kong:
1. "Mac Tonight Party :: 麥當勞香港". 13 November 2019. Archived from the original on 2019-11-13. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
I did not find significant coverage in independent reliable sources about Mac Tonight Party.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:36, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wilmer Street Ferry Pier

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Ferry pier in Hong Kong that doesn’t seem notable. I couldn’t find a suitable redirect target but a merge or redirect may be possible. Mccapra (talk) 10:42, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/redirect to List of demolished piers in Hong Kong per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I found passing mentions in a search for the English name here and here. The pier's Chinese name is (traditional Chinese: 威利麻街碼頭; simplified Chinese: 威利麻街码头). There are a few sentences of coverage in this book.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 08:50, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

makes sense to me. Mccapra (talk) 12:17, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to List of demolished piers in Hong Kong then redirect, as suggested by @Cunard. Found a few other mentions:

https://archive.org/details/NPCM19600708/page/4/mode/2up - China Mail announcing (briefly) ferry services to Lamma
https://archive.org/details/isbn_9782012422087/page/234/mode/2up French-language tour guide saying briefly where to catch a ferry to Lamma
https://archive.org/details/NPCM19500825/page/n3/mode/2up China Mail announcing cross-harbor vehicle ferry from Western to Shamshuipo - read liberally, this article approaches significant coverage

Oblivy (talk) 06:21, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of South China AA footballers

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Subject does not meet the WP:LISTN as an indiscriminate list of players. Let'srun (talk) 14:04, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge – With South China AA. The information about the players is relevant to be in the main article, but the fork isn't necessary. Svartner (talk) 04:54, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - indiscriminate list. Definitely do not merge, the club's article should not be bloated with a massive list of (apparently randomly selected) past players
Delete - no evidence of notability. These kind of articles can be notable, this one is a mess. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 12:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kristine Y. Lee

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:26, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unimprovable sub-stub on an obscure figure skater. Utter failure of the GNG. Ravenswing 00:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Unable to find more than some passing mentions, and as such, this subject does not meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Please ping me if any significant coverage can be found or if the SkateToday article can be archived as I currently can't access it. Let'srun (talk) 14:14, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of TVB series (1977)

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Articles for deletion/List of TVB series (1977)

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Fails NLIST. Found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources. // Timothy :: talk 01:09, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I think the list can be kept for a navigational purpose, but at the current state it's way too short. Seeing the 1978 & 1979 lists aren't that long, is there a possibility of merging the three lists together to form something like List of TVB series (1970s)? S5A-0043^Talk 05:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

- I agree with keeping this list for navigational purposes. I've explained below why this list meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Purposes of lists. According to the Chinese Wikipedia article zh:無綫電視劇集列表 (1970年代)#1977年, there were 24 TVB series in 1977. This page can be expanded to be as detailed as List of TVB dramas in 2023. The Chinese Wikipedia article is sourced to the TVB web page "1975-1979 (115)", which is now a dead link. Further expanding this list may require access to offline sources. Combining the smaller lists is a possible editorial option for now though once expanded to have all 24 1977 TVB dramas, there should be enough content to support a standalone 1977 list article. Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  "I agree with keeping this list for navigational purposes." shows this is Keep rationale is flat out nonsense. It clearly does not have a navigation purpose. // Timothy :: talk 17:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists, which says, "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources, per the above guidelines; notable list topics are appropriate for a stand-alone list." I will show below that "TVB series" has been treated as "a group or set by independent reliable sources".

Summary of sources
TVB series have been covered in several academic sources and numerous media sources. The academic sources discuss the shows in the context of TVB's history. The media sources discuss the shows in the context of the highest rated, the lowest rated, the "most classic", and the "best".

Sources
1. Cheuk, Pak-Tong (Fall 1999). "The Beginning of the Hong Kong New Wave: The Interactive Relationship Between Television and the Film Industry". Post Script. Vol. 19, no. 1. pp. 10–27. ISSN 0277-9897. ProQuest 2141429.
  The article notes: "In the early years, HK-TVB's Jade channel (the Chinese language service) broadcast only three locally-produced programs. Much of the remaining airtime was filled by foreign series, such as Doctor Kildare, I Spy, The Lucy Show, and Bonanza (Hong Kong Television Weekly 17-18). The station also showed early Mandarin and Cantonese pictures, such as The Revenge, Truth and False Husband (Chao-zhou-dialect pictures), Cool Chau Mei, andWonderful Princess (Hong Kong Television Weekly 14). In this, HK-TVB's initial programming strategy was no different from that of Rediffusion Cable. In 1968, however, HK-TVB produced its first drama series, A Dream Is a Dream, shown in 15-minute segments once every week."
  The article notes: "Gradually, more locally produced series gained popularity. Here is the list of the HK-TVB's top ten programs in November 1970: (1) Enjoy Yourself Tonight; (2) It Takes a Thief; (3) Tarzan; (4) Kao's Club; (5) Japanese Story; (6) Sharp's Club; (7) Night of Sharp; (8) Viceroy's On Life; (9) News and Weather Report; (10) The Fugitive. Of this list, half were imports (numbers 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10). On the other hand, the list also shows that locally produced series increasingly were favored by local audiences."
  The article notes: "In 1973, HK-TVB's new head of programming, Leong Suk-yi, produced the comedy series Seventy-Three, made up of 30-minute episodes shown once every week (30 episodes in all). Audiences welcomed the series for its refreshing satirical approach to social problems. It even garnered more viewers than Enjoy Yourself Tonight and became the territory's top rated program. The breakthrough achieved by Seventy-Three paved the way for series like Crossroad and CID (both 1976), Wonderfun (1977) and Seven Women; all were dramatic anthology series shot on film."
  The article notes: "In July 1978, the prime time program schedules of HK-TVB and CTV were as follows:"
  The article notes: "The dramatic mini-series that became most popular was HK-TVB's 1976 production Hotel. ... HK-TVB followed this success with the 1977 production A House is Not a Home."
2. Siu, Chiu Shun Patrick (2022-11-11). The rise and fall of popular variety programs – A Hong Kong Case Study (PDF) (PhD thesis). Hong Kong Baptist University. Archived from the original (PDF) on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The thesis notes: "Background information of the selected five cases". The thesis discusses five TVB shows: "Program for Case Study 1 - Enjoy Yourself Tonight", "Program for Case Study 2 - Cantopop at 50", "Program for Case Study 3 - Movie Buff Championship", "Program for Case Study 4 - Am I Healthy?", and "Program for Case Study 5 - Be My Guest".
3. Chu, Yiu-Wai (2020-06-05). "Hong Kong (in China) studies: Hong Kong popular culture as example". Global Media and China. 5 (2). doi:10.1177/2059436420917564.
  The article notes: "For example, Kok-Leung Kuk, one of the executive directors of TVB martial arts classics including The Legend of the Condor Heroes《射鵰英雄傳》(1983), The Return of the Condor Heroes《神鵰俠侶》(1983) and The Duke of Mount Deer《鹿鼎記》(1984), co-directed a Mainland version"
  The article notes: "TVB started collaborating with Youku in 2013, airing its dramas on China’s leading online video and streaming service platforms. One such drama, Line Walker 《使徒行者》, recorded a total of 2.4 billion views in 2014. These drama serials provided higher production budgets to TVB, supposedly raising the production quality. Legal Mavericks 《踩過界》 (or 《盲俠大律師》 in the Mainland), the first co-produced title with iQiyi that premiered in June 2017, successfully accumulated total streaming views of over 500 million in Mainland China. Another co-production, Line Walker: The Prelude 《使徒行者2》, a crime-thriller drama serial, also reached remarkable total streaming views of over 2 billion on Tencent’s platform in Mainland China."
  The article notes: "Whether history will repeat itself or not is too early to tell, but, for example, in 2018, three of the five TVB serial dramas that recorded the lowest viewership ratings were co-productions: Another Era 《再創世紀》, Infernal Affairs 《無間道》, and The Great Adventurer Wesley 《冒險王衛斯理》 (“The Five TVB Dramas With Lowest Viewership Ratings,” 2019)."
4. Wong, Yan-wah 黃欣華 (2019-01-11). "TVB「2018最低收視五部劇集」出爐　高成本劇集收視未必似如期" [TVB's "Five Lowest-Rated Drama Series of 2018" is released. The ratings of high-cost dramas may not be as expected] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article lists the TVB series The Great Adventurer Wesley, Succession War, Infernal Affairs, Another Era, and Stealing Seconds.
5. Lo, Alex (2011-01-28). "A golden age when TVB dictated popular culture". South China Morning Post. Archived from the original on 2021-04-28. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article notes: "Just as that period of time is considered the golden age of Hong Kong when its economy took off, it was arguably the best time for quality programmes at TVB. Dragon, Tiger and Leopard was an innovative crime drama series ... Another drama series, The Northern Stars, for a time, made being a social worker almost hip. Then came Gan Kwok-leung, arguably the best scriptwriter TVB ever had. He penned The Wrong Couples and No Biz Like Showbiz which restored the art of the dramatic dialogue that is hard to imagine for a TVB programme today."
6. Koh, Jiamun (2022-05-25). "The 10 TVB Shows With The Highest Ratings In The Past 12 Years". 8 Days. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article lists Forensic Heroes S4, Can't Buy Me Love, Triumph In The Skies 2, No Regrets, Forensic Heroes S3, Airport Strikers, Inbound Troubles, The Mysteries of Love, Story of Yanxi Palace, and Witness Insecurity.
7. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2023-09-01). "TVB今年13套劇集收視排行榜　第一位拋離成條街注定成大贏家？" [TVB's 13 TV drama ratings rankings this year: No. 1 is destined to be the big winner?] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 13 TVB series.
8. Lam, Seon-ging 林迅景 (2023-01-02). "盤點2022年15套TVB深宵劇　三代歌影視男神全部都搵到！" [Taking stock of 15 TVB late-night dramas in 2022, all three generations of singing, film and television male stars are available!] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 15 TVB series.
9. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-01-21). "青春不要臉｜80年代最經典十部TVB劇集　絕對係香港輝煌的一頁" [Freedom Memories｜The ten most classic TVB dramas of the 1980s, definitely a glorious page in Hong Kong] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
10. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-05-23). "TVB近年劇集最高收視十大排行榜　佘詩曼絕對係收視福星" [Top 10 TVB drama series with the highest ratings in recent years Charmaine Sheh is definitely a lucky star in the ratings] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
11. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-05-20). "TVB歷史最低收視十套劇集排行榜　今年未完但已經有四套入圍" [Ranking of the top ten TVB dramas with the lowest ratings in TVB history. This year has not been completed but four dramas have already been shortlisted.] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
12. Lam, Seon-ging 林迅景 (2022-03-26). "網民票選TVB十大冷門劇　蒼海遺珠勁多一線演員精彩過新劇" [Netizens voted TVB's top ten unpopular dramas. The Pearl of the Blue Sea has many A-list actors and actresses in the new drama.] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
13. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2021-05-21). "娛樂即時娛樂重溫20年前TVB劇集如何鼎盛　有六部劇集收視衝過40點！" [Entertainment Instant Entertainment revisits the heyday of TVB dramas 20 years ago. Six dramas have ratings exceeding 40 points!] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses several TVB series.
14. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2022-11-10). "網民嚴選今年TVB最好睇十套劇集《美麗戰場》愈鬧愈鍾意？" [Netizens carefully selected the ten best TVB dramas to watch this year. The more popular "The Beauty of War" is, the more you like it?] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
15. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2017-10-29). "【台慶50周年】回顧TVB紮根香港50年　細數十大最出色「神劇」" [[Station's 50th Anniversary] Looking back at TVB's 50 years of roots in Hong Kong and breaking down the top ten most outstanding "divine dramas"] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
16. Wong, Chi-hang 黃梓恒 (2020-10-05). "TVB近十年最高收視10套劇集　最高一套基本上唔會再打破" [TVB's 10 highest-rated drama series in the past ten years, the highest-rated series will basically never break again] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 10 TVB series.
17. "【TVB古裝劇】網民嚴選30大TVB古裝劇　《金枝慾孽》+《大冬瓜》同上榜" [[TVB Costume Drama] Netizens carefully selected the top 30 TVB costume dramas. "War and Beauty" + "The Winter Melon Tale" are also on the list.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-05-10. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses 30 TVB series.
18. "TVB經典影劇深夜接力重播　觀眾投票選最想睇經典劇集" [TVB late-night relay reruns of classic movies and dramas, viewers vote for the classic dramas they most want to watch]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2022-10-14. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses several TVB series.
19. "【萬千星2020】盤點TVB於2020年五大最高收視劇集　《法證IV》奪冠《使徒3》未入五大" [[TVB Anniversary Awards 2020] Taking stock of TVB's top five most-watched dramas in 2020. "Forensic Heroes IV" won the championship and "Line Walker: Bull Fight" did not enter the top five.]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2021-01-01. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses five TVB series.
20. Lo, Chi-wang 羅志宏 (2023-12-29). "細數2023年TVB劇集最高平均收視排行榜！僅得呢三部重頭劇 ..." [Break down the ranking of the highest average ratings of TVB dramas in 2023! Only three major dramas scored more than 20 points]. U Lifestyle [zh] (in Chinese). Hong Kong Economic Times. Archived from the original on 2024-01-27. Retrieved 2024-01-27.
  The article discusses eight TVB series.
WP:NOTTVGUIDE

WP:NOTTVGUIDE says:
Electronic program guides. An article on a broadcaster should not list upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks, etc., although mention of major events, promotions or historically significant program lists and schedules may be acceptable."
These articles do not contain "upcoming events, current promotions, current schedules, format clocks". They contain "historically significant program lists and schedules" as shown through the coverage in academic and media sources.

"Simple listings"

WP:NOTDIRECTORY says:
Simple listings without contextual information showing encyclopedic merit. Listings such as the white or yellow pages should not be replicated. See WP:LISTCRITERIA for more information.
WP:LISTCRITERIA says: "Selection criteria (also known as inclusion criteria or membership criteria) should be unambiguous, objective, and supported by reliable sources."
The membership criteria of these lists is "unambiguous" and "objective" as membership is based on which TVB dramas were broadcast. The membership criteria is "supported by reliable sources" because TVB series have been discussed in academic and media sources.
WP:LISTCRITERIA further says, "As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a directory, repository of links, or means of promotion, and should not contain indiscriminate lists, only certain types of lists should be exhaustive. Criteria for inclusion should factor in encyclopedic and topical relevance, not just verifiable existence."
A topic that has been covered by academic and media sources meets the "encyclopedic and topical relevance" requirement.

The list fulfills informational and navigation purposes.

Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Notability, which says: Lists that fulfill recognized informational, navigation, or development purposes often are kept regardless of any demonstrated notability.
1. It meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Information, which says, The list may be a valuable information source. This is particularly the case for a structured list. Examples would include lists organized chronologically, grouped by theme, or annotated lists.
  This structured list is a chronological ordering of all the TVB dramas that have been released in 1977. It is an annotated list that has the drama's airing dates, title, number of episodes, main cast, theme song(s), genre, and notes.
2. It meets Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Navigation, which says, Lists which contain internally linked terms (i.e., wikilinks) serve, in aggregate, as natural tables of contents and indexes of Wikipedia. This is an index of all the TVB dramas that have been released in 1977.
  TVB produces Cantonese-language dramas. Most English Wikipedia editors do not speak Cantonese. This is why Category:TVB dramas has only 578 articles on television series, while the Chinese Wikipedia's version of the category, zh:Category:無綫電視劇集, has 3,049 articles. Wikipedia:Systemic bias discusses this, noting that As a result of systemic bias, Wikipedia underrepresents the perspectives of people in the Global South, which includes Hong Kong. Although these articles do not exist on the English Wikipedia, they exist on the Chinese Wikipedia. Taking the 2023 list as an example (zh:翡翠台電視劇集列表 (2023年)), there are detailed, well-sourced articles on 2023 TVB dramas such as zh:新四十二章 and zh:新聞女王. There are not corresponding English Wikipedia articles because there are not enough English Wikipedia editors with the interest and Chinese-language skills to create them.
Multi-page list articles

Wikipedia:Stand-alone lists#Titles links to Wikipedia:Naming conventions (lists)#Long (split) list naming recommendations, which discusses the conventions for "splitting a long list into multiple sub-articles". The long list here is "List of TVB series", while the sub-articles are "List of TVB dramas in 2022", "List of TVB dramas in 2023", etc.
The guideline gives the example, "For example, TV show season lists are named in the form "Show title (season 1)", although the present guideline would have preferred "Show title: season 1" (the use of colons in the titles of works to indicate a subtitle, as in Star Trek: The Next Generation, is a likely reason for this variance)."
The split by year is similar here. The split by year is a valid spinout to ensure the main list does not get too long. There is no need for the split child lists to individually meet Wikipedia:Notability#Stand-alone lists since the long parent list meets the notability guideline.

General notability guideline

There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the subject to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: List of TVB series (1977) was previously nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television programmes broadcast by TVB (2nd nomination) in January 2024.
Pinging Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of television programmes broadcast by TVB (2nd nomination) participants who have not already participated in this AfD: Toughpigs (talk · contribs) and Cool90630 (talk · contribs). Cunard (talk) 09:47, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
CommentThis is about 1977, none of the above shows this meets NLIST. Spamming general refs will not meet NLIST, it just shows ILIKEIT. // Timothy :: talk

KeepI vote no on this page of nomination with article of deletion and here is the link about TVB Series 1977 of mytvsuper: https://www.mytvsuper.com/en/programme/greatvendettathe0002_128332/THE-GREAT-VENDETTA/ https://www.mytvsuper.com/en/programme/ahouseisnotahome_103303/A-House-Is-Not-A-Home/. Basically, don't know why the certain person of Timothy are trying to report nomination as no reason https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_TVB_series_(1977)&diff=prev&oldid=1222806959 who claims that "Fails NLIST! Found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by independent reliable sources." If I were TimothyBlue, I wouldn't satisfied and including not participated with nomination in this AFD for report to touch. Without report nomination for this AfD and that shouldn't happen in first place. I totally agree with Cunard to keep on active at all time that's because it was very important about TVB history. Cool90630 (talk).
Note to closer: The above is nonsense. This is a list with one non-notable entry and no sources for NLIST. The above refs are just spam, none of them discuss the subject - 1977 - as a group, and how that the BEFORE for this list was correct. // Timothy :: talk 16:48, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I restored the list entry of The Great Vendetta [zh] and added sources. The list now has two entries. I wrote above that the list can be expanded to 24 entries since there were 24 TVB dramas in 1977. I wrote above that a child list split by year from a long parent list does not need to itself meet the notability guideline when the parent list meets the notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 09:34, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I totally agree with more source about TVB Series 1977 article of the above is make more sense. "The above is nonsense shows this is keep rationale is flat out nonsense. It clearly does not have a navigation purpose" so it seems off-topic here that's how TB user didn't seem understand what the TVB Drama 1977 is about so then trying to report nomination with article of deletion. If TB did not satisfied without approved as fails NLIST policy found no sources showing this subject (1977 TVB series) has been discussed as a group by specific independent reliable sources then TB should have put the article of creation or ask Cunard talk page instead so that's way to understand for adding more reference sources on the TVB Series articles. I am not trying to inconsiderate here by the way. Cool90630 (talk) 02:02, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

CommentI think that the TVB series 1977 should kept as history and search TVBanywhere, Drama name episode by TVB or mytvsuper online details. (talk) 02:10, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

College Road, Hong Kong

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Article was previously declined for prod. Rationale is a very simple case of failing WP:INHERITED. The specific application of this policy is also noted at WP:NROAD BrigadierG (talk) 21:14, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, short road failing WP:MILL. Geschichte (talk) 08:31, 6 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A road that does not satisfy any notability. ✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 05:19, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Roadways, which says:
Road networks: International road networks (such as the International E-road network), Interstate, national, state and provincial highways are typically notable. Topic notability for county roads, regional roads (such as Ireland's regional roads), local roads, streets and motorway service areas may vary, and are presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which contain significant coverage and are reliable and independent of the subject.
Sources
1. Selection of two sources:
  1. "書院道精英地段" [Elite area of College Road]. The Sun (in Chinese). 2012-05-19. Archived from the original on 2024-05-12. Retrieved 2024-05-12.
    The article notes: "九龍塘區的豪宅內街以寧靜見稱，書院道同樣具備此項特色，其中坐落街道頭段的勝豐園，乃沿街老牌豪宅屋苑之一，樓齡約三十八年，兩座物業合共提供約48個單位，"
    From Google Translate: "The inner streets of luxury houses in Kowloon Tong District are famous for their tranquility. College Road also has this feature. Situated at the beginning of the street, Sheng Feng Yuan is one of the old luxury housing estates along the street. It is about 38 years old and has two properties. A total of about 48 units are provided,"
    The article notes: "其中步行已可達多家名校的書院道（College Road），盡佔名校網優勢，而書院道豪宅的入場費則由千萬餘以至逾半億元俱備。書院道鄰近喇沙利道，兩條豪宅街道的命名均源自區內名校之一的喇沙書院。"
    From Google Translate: "Among them, College Road is within walking distance of many famous schools, taking advantage of the network of famous schools. The admission fee for luxury houses on College Road ranges from more than 10 million to more than 500 million yuan. College Road is adjacent to La Salle Road. The two luxury streets are named after La Salle College, one of the famous schools in the area."
    The article notes: "書院道除了四周環境清幽恬靜外，最吸引買家之處，是優質學府選擇眾多，對於有意讓子女入讀名校的家長，吸引力自然特別高。至於在該街道一帶的名校除喇沙書院外，尚有瑪利諾修院學校、拔萃小學及黃笏南中學等。"
    From Google Translate: "In addition to the quiet and peaceful surroundings, College Road is most attractive to buyers because of its wide selection of high-quality schools. It is particularly attractive to parents who intend to enroll their children in prestigious schools. As for the famous schools in this street area, in addition to La Salle College, there are also Maryknoll Convent School, Diocesan Primary School and Wong Wat South Secondary School."
  2. "書院道匯聚黃金屋" [Collection of Golden Houses on College Road]. Oriental Daily (in Chinese). 2012-09-30. Archived from the original on 2024-05-03. Retrieved 2024-05-03.
    The article notes: "九龍塘不但具備傳統豪宅區的魅力，更吸引之處是坐擁九龍名校網，其中步行已可達多家名校的書院道（College Road），尤其凸顯名校網優勢，老牌豪宅及豪宅新貴散落於寧靜的街道上，為講求實用的用家與愛好新廈的豪客提供不同選擇。"
    From Google Translate: "Kowloon Tong not only has the charm of a traditional luxury area, but what is even more attractive is that it is located in the prestigious Kowloon School Network. College Road (College Road), which is within walking distance of many famous schools, particularly highlights the advantages of the prestigious school network. Old luxury homes and upstart luxury homes are scattered here. The quiet street provides different options for practical users and high-end buyers who like new buildings."
    The article notes: "其中坐落街道頭段的勝豐園，乃沿街老牌豪宅屋苑之一，樓齡約三十八年，..."
    From Google Translate: "Among them, Sheng Feng Yuan, located at the end of the street, is one of the old luxury housing estates along the street. It is about 38 years old. ..."
    The article notes: "書院道另一個老牌屋苑為博文閣，坐落街道的中段，由於位於內街之中，加上面向喇沙書院的大球場，環境清幽，視野亦較開揚。"
    From Google Translate: "Another well-established housing estate on College Road is Bowen Court, located in the middle of the street. Because it is located in an inner street and faces the stadium of La Salle College, it has a quiet environment and a relatively open view."
    The article notes: "除了老牌豪宅外，書院道近年有一個矚目的新一代豪宅落成，乃由興勝創建發展的EI8HT COLLEGE。"
    From Google Translate: "In addition to the old luxury houses, a new generation of luxury houses has been completed on College Road in recent years, which is EI8HT COLLEGE founded and developed by Xingsheng."
2. Additional sources:
  1. "九龍塘樂苑雅緻裝潢闊露台" [Kowloon Tong Lok Garden Elegantly decorated wide terrace]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2013-08-30. p. D5.
    The article notes: "位於九龍塘的書院道，屬於內街，靜處一隅，由於街道比較短，因此供應的豪宅僅約10個左右。中原豪宅Stately Home九龍豪宅副區域聯席董事何維進稱，書院道的豪宅樓齡十分參差，其中最新的書院道8號於2011年入夥，而最舊的一批，樓齡逾50年。"
    From Google Translate: "Located on College Road in Kowloon Tong, it is an inner street and is located in a quiet corner. Since the street is relatively short, there are only about 10 luxury homes available. Ho Wei-jin, deputy regional co-director of Stately Home Kowloon luxury homes, said that the age of the luxury homes on College Road is very different. The newest one, No. 8 College Road, was occupied in 2011, while the oldest ones are more than 50 years old."
    The article notes: "由於鄰近九龍城，位處名校網，故書院道除家長客、低調廠家外，均屬用家，放盤有限交投不多。最新一宗成交於4月份錄得，為書院道8號中層，實用面積1,758平方呎，建築面積2,446平方呎，為屋苑最後一間餘貨，以5,190萬元成交。"
    From Google Translate: "As it is close to Kowloon City and is located in a prestigious school network, College Road is owned by users except for parents and low-key manufacturers. The listings are limited and there is not much transaction. The latest transaction was recorded in April. It is a middle-floor building at No. 8 College Road, with a salable area of 1,758 square feet and a built-up area of 2,446 square feet. It is the last remaining unit in the housing estate and was sold for HK$51.9 million."
  2. "香港8號" [Hong Kong No. 8]. Sing Pao Daily News (in Chinese). 2011-11-14. p. B3.
    The article notes: "書院道因鄰近的喇沙書院而得名，現時書院道8號為新盤Eight College，由興勝創建（896）發展，屬於香港六大建築集團之一，估計發展商命名時取8號的諧音「發」，著重其「意頭」。該樓盤毗鄰九龍塘火車站，交通便捷，並鄰近校網，包括香港城巿大學、香港浸會大學、喇沙書院、拔萃小學，以及耀中國際小學∕幼兒園。"
    From Google Translate: "College Road is named after the nearby La Salle College. Currently, No. 8 College Road is the new Eight College, developed by Xingsheng Construction (896), which is one of the six major construction groups in Hong Kong. It is estimated that the developer took No. 8 when naming it. It is homophonic to "fa", emphasizing its "meaning". The property is adjacent to the Kowloon Tong Railway Station, with convenient transportation, and is close to school networks, including City University of Hong Kong, Hong Kong Baptist University, La Salle College, Diocesan Primary School, and Yew Chung International Primary School/Kindergarten."
  3. "九龍塘明麗園中層環境清幽" [Ming Lai Garden, Kowloon Tong, middle floor, quiet environment]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2019-11-01. p. D19.
    The article notes: "九龍塘書院道，是傳統豪宅物業集中地，該地段以路闊車流量少，環境清幽見稱，放盤向來罕有，其中明麗園中層單位，連車位叫價2,500萬元。"
    From Google Translate: "College Road, Kowloon Tong, is where traditional luxury properties are concentrated. The area is famous for its wide road, low traffic volume, and quiet environment. It has always been rare to find a listing. Among them, the mid-rise unit in Ming Lai Garden, including a parking space, is priced at NT$25 million."
  4. Ng, Chi-fai 伍志輝 (2015-06-20). "靚盤巡禮：九龍塘明麗園　裝修新淨　環境清幽" [Tour of beautiful properties: Kowloon Tong Ming Lai Garden, newly renovated and clean, with a quiet environment]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). p. B4.
    The article notes: "九龍塘書院道附近名校多，行車路面寬闊，車流量不高，環境清幽，同時享有鄰近九龍城的方便購物地利，沿路新舊物業都有一定捧場客。明麗園座落書院道近衙前圍道方向，屬區內老牌大宅之一，盤源向來不多，"
    From Google Translate: "There are many famous schools near College Road in Kowloon Tong. The road surface is wide, the traffic volume is not high, and the environment is quiet. It also enjoys the convenient shopping location near Kowloon City. New and old properties along the road have a certain number of fans. Ming Lai Garden is located on College Road near Nga Tsing Wai Road. It is one of the old-style mansions in the area. There are not many houses in the area."
  5. "書院道8號連平台裝潢雅緻" [No. 8, College Road, with terrace, elegant decoration]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2015-04-17. p. D5.
    The article notes: "九龍塘書院道街道比較短，故此提供的豪宅物業不多，樓齡一般由37至54年不等。 ... 而書院道8號，屬目前該處樓齡最新的物業，僅4年樓"
    From Google Translate: "The street of College Road in Kowloon Tong is relatively short, so there are not many luxury properties available. The age of the buildings generally ranges from 37 to 54 years. ... No. 8 College Road is currently the newest property there, being only 4 years old."
  6. "書院道樂苑低層特高樓底" [Low floor, extra high floor, Dao Lok Court, College]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). 2013-12-20. p. D7.
    The article notes: "九龍塘書院道可供二手轉售的屋苑，除勝豐園外，大部分均在10層以下；至於樓齡方面，除書院道8號於11年入夥外，餘下多已超過40年。"
    From Google Translate: "Most of the housing estates available for second-hand resale in College Road, Kowloon Tong, with the exception of Sing Fung Garden, are below 10 storeys. As for the age of the buildings, except for No. 8 College Road, which was occupied in 11 years, most of the remaining housing estates are over 40 years old."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow College Road, Hong Kong (traditional Chinese: 書院道; simplified Chinese: 书院道) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:10, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can we get an assessment of newly found sources?
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Comment. I don't see what's significant in the sources provided. It's a road with buildings in it. Geschichte (talk) 14:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The sources allow College Road, Hong Kong, to meet Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features)#Roadways, which says roads "are presumed to be notable if they have been the subject of multiple published secondary sources which contain significant coverage and are reliable and independent of the subject". The sources discuss the road's namesake, the luxury housing estates on the road, how the prestigious schools in the area affect the prices of houses on the road, how parents and manufacturers are the primary owners of the road's units or property, and the road's attributes (wide, short, quiet, and low traffic volume). A non-notable road would not receive this depth of discussion in reliable sources. Cunard (talk) 06:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taiwan related deletions

Lin Zhijian's paper plagiarism case

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I've already suggested what could happen here (WP:BLAR) but haven't gotten a bite yet; meanwhile I'm a bit worried about potential BLP issues here. Many of the sources are very low quality, and the article's level of detail seems idiosyncratic, unencyclopedic, and more than a little POV if treatment of plagiarism by other public figures in articles is anything to go by. I feel I have little choice than to bring it to AfD, I'm not even sure what else needs to be said about the plagiarism on Lin's own article. Remsense诉 06:20, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Lin Chih-chien for all the reasons you give. Policies and guidelines may include WP:SUSTAINED and WP:POVFORK. As you say there's not a lot more to be said on Lin's article, although that section of his article could use a bit of editing. Oblivy (talk) 07:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Atlanta

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Lacking secondary sources specifically about the consulate. Fails WP:GNG and WP:ORGCRIT. AusLondonder (talk) 16:34, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This is a defacto consulate, and not the same level as an embassy. Fails GNG and WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 23:44, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are articles regarding the Taiwanese offices in Ho Chi Minh City and also São Paulo. Would those also fall under this blanket reason? Toadboy123 (talk) 04:32, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if they fail GNG, yes. LibStar (talk) 04:35, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Toadboy123 embassies, consulates and other diplomatic offices must meet WP:GNG which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" AusLondonder (talk) 06:28, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/redirect to Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States#Consular districts by missions, where the subject is already mentioned, per Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion. I did not find significant coverage in reliable sources in my searches for sources. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future. Cunard (talk) 09:01, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is there to merge? Also of course ATD is only part of the deletion policy. The eighth point at WP:DEL-REASON which describes valid criteria for deletion, states "Articles whose subjects fail to meet the relevant notability guideline" is a valid reason to delete. AusLondonder (talk) 14:56, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support a redirect (with the history preserved under the redirect). A redirect gives editors like Toadboy123 (talk · contribs), the article's creator, the option of doing a selective merge of content to Taipei Economic and Cultural Representative Office in the United States#Consular districts by missions. Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Atlanta discusses the subject's location; how it was established on 1 March 1979, the day after the signing of this communiqué; what its former name was; what states it represents; and the cultural center it oversees. Some of this content could be merged to the target article. Cunard (talk) 05:55, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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