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Hi, i saw you edited the list of wikipedians by the number of edit, are you one of the creators of this list? I am a social researcher in english wikipedia, for which i need to do some statistics analysis like this list. May i ask you some questions about it? thanks a lot!!!! please send me email if it's ok.

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Hello,

there is a problem with this edit. Poppy (talk) 00:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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Finding people in Find-A-Grave lists

Hello, and thanks for finding some people on the Wikipedia:Find-A-Grave famous people lists!

The standard procedure, if you find that someone on the list is listed in Wikipedia, is:

• If it's a redlink on the list, and it seems sensible to keep the redlink (such as when it's an alternate spelling of the person's name), create a redirect.
• If there's information in the Find-A-Grave entry that is interesting for the article, add the Find-A-Grave entry to the article's external links (in practice, I do this rarely)
• Once that's done, you can just delete the person from the Find-A-Grave lists. We're done with him for that purpose!

Thanks again! --Alvestrand (talk) 07:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

continuing conversation on my talk page, just to keep it in one place --Alvestrand (talk) 22:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

DC Meetup on May 17th

Your help is needed in planning Wikipedia:Meetup/DC 4! Any comments or suggestions you have are greatly appreciated. The Placebo Effect (talk) 19:30, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Battle of Iwo Jima

I wanted to let you know that I changed my "vote" to Support for the FL nomination of List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Battle of Iwo Jima. Also, I finished adding the unit information for those on the list that were missing it. I'd appreciate it if you could double check those that I did to ensure I got them right. — Bellhalla (talk) 21:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Generally I try to avoid voting in FLCs because I usually close them. It seems to be heading towards a promotion (all it needs is one more vote) and it will be left open as long as it is needed to gain that vote. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

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User:Signaleer/Sandbox/Caldwell

I appreciate your changes and input in reference my sandbox User:Signaleer/Sandbox/Caldwell to the Lt. Gen. William B. Caldwell article. The warning was not meant towards you but I would like to get an organized sandbox done before making "radical" changes to the wiki article. It obviously needs a lot of polishing and facts added but thanks for your effort. If you have any other input, discussion would most appreciated on my sandbox talk page. Thanks a lot. -Signaleer (talk) 18:58, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I usually don't make cahnges to sandboxes and I must have missed that one.--Kumioko (talk) 19:18, 17 March 2008 (UTC)\

Not a problem, it was actually my mistake to put restrictions on the sandbox, I would prefer that users actually input their work on my sandbox for this particular article. I Just wanted to clarify for you that it was completely cool with me. -Signaleer (talk) 19:22, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

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Re: List of Medal of Honor recipients

Thanks for the notice, and congratulations on getting the Iwo Jima list to featured status. jwillbur 16:30, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

List of MOH winners question...

I saw your question on the List of Medal of Honor recipients on the FLC page: Basically, if an image caption is a complete sentence, use a period ("full stop"); if it is a sentence fragment, don't use a period.

Examples

Fred Smith in his dress uniform (no period)

John Doe was awarded the Medal of Honor when he led his platoon through enemy lines. (period)

Hope this helps — Bellhalla (talk) 17:28, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

re: Johnston de Peyster

Hey, sorry about that, I was updating an old message because I reformated my user name. There were no changes to the persondata. MrPrada (talk) 15:53, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

March 2008

Hello. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, which wasn't included with your recent edit to List of Medal of Honor recipients. Thank you. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 21:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Philadelphia

Just thought you might like to know, your edits are introducing redirects. The Philadelphia article was renamed just that some time ago, not "Philadelphia, Pennsylvania".--BillFlis (talk) 12:03, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

sortname and nowrap

Hi Kumioko, I fixed one of your sortname templates so you could see what I did. The {{sortname}} template can take a third parameter which is the page you wish to point at so {{sortname|John|Andrews|John Andrews (Medal of Honor)}} should give you a name that shows John Andrews, sorts on Andrews and points to John Andrews (Medal of Honor). I think you've got the nowrap stuff sorted by the way. Let me know if you need anything more! All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 13:30, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You're quite welcome! The Rambling Man (talk) 13:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Milhist template

Just a note to say thankyou for updating milhist tags, but also to remind you that {{WPMILHIST}} does not accept "list" as a class. This is because they follow the normal assessment scale all the way upto FL. Thanks. Woody (talk) 18:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Bracket

Your Medal of Honour copypastes are missing a bracket.[1] [2] Regards, Skomorokh 19:19, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Quartermaster too.[Joel H. Lyman] Skomorokh 19:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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Adding infoboxes to military personnel

You put a note on WT:AWB about this - I'd just like to suggest that when you do, for living people without a photo, please put a placeholder image (e.g. Image:Replace this image male.svg, Image:Replace this image female.svg or Image:Replace this image1.svg) in - these really do work for getting photos contributed, and to enhance the general idea that we really do want free content and so forth - David Gerard (talk) 15:57, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Mass deleteing articles

Feel free to express your opinion here: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 April 2. For the AfD, if for you that's revenge, for me its the point that langloisrg's vandalism of my userpage reminded me of the presence of a bunch of poor articles created by him. Cheers, --TheFEARgod (Ч) 18:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

per another's users suggestion I've nominated the other templates. Feel free to comment: Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 April 5 --TheFEARgod (Ч) 12:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

"See also" plus USMC Portal

You really don't need to add a "See also" section to add a portal template. Just put the template in the article. The added "See also" section winds up displaying as an empty section. I like putting portal templates in the first section after the main article (the first end-section), such as References, Notes, See also, External links, whatever is there. The portal thingie displays the same, down at the bottom of the article where it should logically be.--BillFlis (talk) 22:17, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The reason I did that was because the Manual of Style states that they should be under the see also section. Plus in most cases I will be addding more stuff there so this was only a start. Please let me know if you notice anything else.--Kumioko (talk) 13:26, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

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April 2008

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Replacing breaks

I noticed you were replacing breaks in articles such as E. Urner Goodman‎, where you replaced <br /> with <br/>. This is a trivial and redundant type of edit— <br> <br /> <br/> </br> all get rendered by the MediWiki processor as <br />. If you look at the source for this page, you will see that the four breaks here are rendered the same.



--— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 14:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Less conversion by the processor is good. In that context, I don't understand the changes from <br /> with <br/> when the processor then converts it to <br />. MediaWiki parses to XHTML and <br /> is a proper break element. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 15:39, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm curious— is this some script you are using? --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 15:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

• MediaWiki outputs in XHTML. See m:XHTML and m:Help:MediaWiki architecture.
• XHTML explains that "All elements must also be explicitly closed, including empty (aka singleton) elements such as img and br. This can be done by adding a closing slash to the start tag: <img /> and <br />."
• Also see [3]: Add Space Before Closing Empty Elements.

Thus, this conversion is not doing what you think it is doing. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 16:30, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Problem with Carl Ludwig (Medal of Honor)

Hi, and hope you're having fun!

One problem I encountered: The CMOH article you created for Carl Ludwig (Medal of Honor) seems to have somehow gotten its content confused with that for William Ludgate. I found this while searching for Find-A-Grave entries; it seemed simpler to let you know than to attempt to find the references myself; I know nothing about how to access CMOH citations.

Anyway - you'll find some more words about him at KumiokoCleanStart/Archive 3 at Find a Grave. Enjoy! --Alvestrand (talk) 22:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

...please don't forget... --Alvestrand (talk) 18:58, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Re: Kumioko\TOC

User pages use a subpage structure (see Wikipedia:Subpages). The software only recognizes subpages as pages following a / in certain namespaces. (Which is why things like talk page archives are always /Archive_1, /Archive_2, etc.) Thus, your page wasn't in your user space, but was in fact floating in the user namespace. Your TOC has been restored. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:07, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Featured list candidate comments

I made some comments on List of Medal of Honor recipients FLC page. — ERcheck (talk) 15:21, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

WP:LOTD

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re: List of Medal of Honor recipients

Ping! --ROGER DAVIES ^talk 06:42, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi, the FLC has been open for over 25 days, and I think I am going to close it as a fail because it seems to be going nowhere right now. I am hesitant to pass it until there is a resolution to the Arsenal FLRC, so I think it should be failed for now and resubmitted once the FLRC closes. If you would like it to remain open, please let me know. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 12:52, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to apologise for not being able to offer my support as well. My position has been clear from the outset, you're right that a list with 3,500 recipients is absurd, just as a list of 1,200 players for an English football club which has been around for 150 years is absurd. But we can't have double standards. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Your RfA

Greetings Kumioko; we've never ran into one another, but nice to meet you anyway ;) First off, good luck with your RfA, and don't sweat it: it's a stressful process, and puts a lot of editors off contributing altogether, if they have a bad experience with it. Just try and take the best out of it, regardless of how it goes.

Secondly, I'd like to give you a courtesy note, that I've left a comment for you in my neutral !vote. I'd be very interested to hear your response to it, in particular with regards to my concerns that you are too inexperienced in administrator-related areas, and hence won't be able to competently handle the sysop. tools. If you don't wish to respond on the RfA page, I'm usually in IRC as [AGK], I'm on Skype as agkwiki, and you can email me using the details here. Otherwise, best regards, and happy editing. Anthøny 00:00, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Your RfA

I've added questions. Dlohcierekim 04:34, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

May interest you

If your aim is for 'wikipedia to make more sense and not be contradictory' you may be interested in this. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals#Wiki editors harmony SunCreator (talk) 14:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Your current RfA

Hi Kumioko. I see your RfA isn't going exactly as you'd planned. I think that the biggest issue here is that people are unsure whether you full understand the role of an admin, not that you've got insufficient admin experience. Certainly by telling the community you won't run again if you don't get it this time will probably be received badly. Let me know if I can help, in the current situation it may look better for you to withdraw before too many opposers pile on. I know how stressful it can be, my first RfA failed, I got worked up and made a few too many knee jerk responses. Give me a shout should you need me to do anything. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay, cool, things at RfA are oft misunderstood. Let me know if you wish to eject! The Rambling Man (talk) 14:52, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

RfA reply from Dloh

I have replied to your comment. Cheers, Dlohcierekim 14:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Really tough question

Please answer optional question 15. If you answer well, I shall support (and also support on any future RFA :-) ) --Kim Bruning (talk) 16:16, 15 April 2008 (UTC) This is actually also a decent test of RFA... if you answer the question correctly, but fail the RFA, then the RFA process is likely provably broken :-P

Thanks for answering. I've actually gone neutral for now. Think some more about the question and maybe I can still be convinced to support. :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding your RfA

You're welcome, but I suggest you don't thank anyone for participating while your RfA is in progress. Some users may oppose you if they see you thanking people before your RfA is over. Wait until it's closed before thanking anyone. Acalamari 17:21, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

That's okay. Just letting you know. Acalamari 17:26, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Bob Parsons

Hi, I'd very much appreciate your input at the discussion regarding the conflict of interest situation on the Bob Parsons article. It's at the COI Noticeboard, here: [4]. Many thanks Howie ☎ 19:03, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

RFA

Just wanted to let you know that the effort you put into fielding all the questions in your RfA led me to change my mind and move from oppose to support. Good luck! Hiberniantears (talk) 15:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

And I'd just like you to know that I think you're doing a great job at RfA. I sincerely hope you get what you want out of the process (I'll be recusing myself from any bureaucracy in this case) and hope that you know your continued efforts are appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:51, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't see the comments as any reflection on you as an editor. Some of the best editors I have come across don't pass an RfA, since people are looking for a different set of skills and experience. Admins need to be good bureaucrats, deal well with "process" and have few strong opinions (see us as faceless grey people pushing paper). See Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Benjah-bmm27 for a recent example of somebody who I think is a superb editor failing an RfA. Anyway, don't let the buggers grind you down. All the best, Tim Vickers (talk) 16:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

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Philippine-American War

First, the anonymous editor who is making these edits is a long-time troublemaker on Wiki. He's been banned under a variety of names such as BoxingWear/Projects/User:Vesa Second, the cite he uses is an inexact cite that says that there were nearly 5000 American casualties in the war. That number was given not as a scholarly analysis, from my perspective, but merely as a rough estimate to give some context in the article. I don't think it is proper to change the entry on the basis of such an inexact cite. MKil (talk) 22:20, 17 April 2008 (UTC)MKil

Hello, I am sorry you have to be bothered by this idiot. He is Paul_Vario Jr, son of a dirty mafia member, here's more proof on Murad. www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/millennium/14/multimedia/timeline.swf

If you create a user account it will be a lot easier to work this out.--Kumioko (talk) 23:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanx, i am boxingwear ONLY, I cant use my account, i would like to, if I open new account it will be blocked in one second and i dont want new account anyways, i want apology from evil administrators who did this to me. They put people thru trials and tribulations for nothing you may say. All my edits are good, I was never vandal.(what goes up will come down, they will taste their medicine sooner or later)

American Philippines war, my statement is there and it is correct, if you check figure 5000, it was there before I edited it. Also on the source I gave you, go under

paragraph that starts with February, it is from a well known historian, so the article is very much so credible! I may not be able to get in touch with you, so have your email work under your account.

The IP

The tools aren't actually needed for this: the thing to do would be to ask Mkil why he reverts the user's edits. However, looking at this and this, it seems that the IP Mkil is reverting is a sockpuppet of someone. Acalamari 23:26, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, check out the history of the user names I mentioned above. He's been a persistent problem for a couple years. His nonsense edits, his threats, his harassment, and a variety of other anti-social behavior have caused many problems here. Even when he makes good faith edits they are usually so poorly written or make so little sense that they are worthless. Any reverts I have done were always done in a way to improve an article.MKil (talk) 23:32, 17 April 2008 (UTC)MKil

No sir, mkil is total vandal, he compared me to grp i am not, check history of boxingwear talk page, its deleted but you administrators can see all, somebody approached me to do edits, so i helped suspended user, thus i became suspended why? Aruing over vandal mkil on rocky marciano if he is greatest or not, what did mkil do? He chose some source how computer chose marciano as the greatest ever, wow, great source. No, no threats, the only PROBLEM I EVER EVER HAD WAS MKIL, i always talk well, associate with people well, if you treat me with respect, i promise you, you will get all the respect back, but never with mkil. From April to July 2007 he send me emails under the name of Paul Vario Sr who is a criminal, if he is not his son, he is associated with vario crew mafia. This guy is a dangerous individual, i am also investigating his past and criminal record. I did many edits in good faith, but chicago library only allows 15 minutes per computer so i really must type fast, it's possible i make a mistake here and there, but that is not a problem, simply requires minor corrections.

Sir, the reverts mkil made are evil, he kills everything, just check hank williams sr, on death certificate it says he died oak hill, time of death 7am, he reverted that, you can find copy of his death certificate online, even buy it.

As far as Philippine American war, i left what mkil wrote, but I also added some sources claim there were at least 5000 american dead, read that link, read my 66 talk page, it's all there, all the evidence is there. There is a bad blood between me and mkil, mkil must go, he should be suspended, go on rocky marciano simple wikipedia, his edits were reverted when it comes to rocky marciano decision, we argued over Ingemar Johanson and Floyd Patterson contract, he kept on reverting that. Give me your email and I will explain all, i will prove it to you Mkil is total vandal and needs to go, he is bigot, he hates people, he hates me, there is no love lost between us, ever. Chicago PUb library is now blocked, I cant reply, I would like to,

BOXINGWEAR and that's me, only and no other user, the account should be re-instated. There is bad blood between me and few administrators, mkil has few friends who help him here, those administrators should also go as they are impartial, the other day i tried to leave reply on administrators board but all to no avail, one sided judges. I hope I did not offend you with my typing, i type over 90wpm and time is precious. Mkil wasted ton of my and other people's time, just go and check what he does, he reverts everything with poor excuses or excuses made up just so some nut can use it to look innocent. Remember, I dont have account, so I will look suspicious and they will not believe me. But i did many good edits since I was blocked on feb 1 2007. His excuses will be like... reverting conversation, pov (even if it's not), no source, poorly written, if he can not find evidence this vandal mkil will create an excuse poorly written or something similar, he is satanic evil person who did damage to many people, he threatened me via private emails, hotmail warned him not to do it, so he did, i had to change email. He has excuse after excuse, he has time on his hands, does not do much otherwise. Chicago pub library is now blocked, so i will not be able to reply, i am replying from friend's house, i will not use my home IP. I also have other things to do and would like to reply you directly from my email-Laters! Hope you see it my way, there is so much more you need to know, so many evil things on this vandal. Remember, mkil has time and attorney languange skills, even if he kills somebody in front of you, this vandal will be able to convince you it was not him.

Kumioko, tell this to the guy who blocked chicago ip, he does not know situation, so he will believe mkil. I do not hate mkil but i dislike him forever and more, he hates me, he has personal vandetta/agenda against me, before i changed email in july of 2007 he threatened me, abused me, called me names and so much more, including threats on my life and my family.

I always wanted to contribute to encyclopedias and fix things, not kill something as mkil does because it's 'commentary' Kum, you want to be administrator, this is your opportunity to do something special, bring back my account, show all of wikipedia i was good contributor. Am=Phil war lasted 1899-1913, there must have been more that 5000 dead, check under ref! I dont post things without verifying em! Am-Philippine war lasted 1899-1913, so it must be more than 5000 dead, also check references as they will verify me. Its not easy for me to type this, as you can see, i was reverted by psycho administator, calling this trolling, it's not, if you accumilate so many negative things over time, it will not look good but the content is all true! Its your perfect opportunity to open my account, show wikipedia i did things well and in good faith and you get my vote of confidence! -Boxingwear

The above speaks for itself. One thing, though, don't e-mail this guy. As other folks will tell you he'll use any personal information against you. As he mentions, I did indeed e-mail him in an attempt to resolve disputes we had. He promptly got my e-mail account suspended and attempts to use the information he gleaned from my e-mails against me. Other folks have had similar problems. I never threatened him, but the same cannot be said of him to me [5].MKil (talk) 00:41, 18 April 2008 (UTC)MKil

Again, he is not addressing the problem, he did not email me to resolve problems but to threaten me and my family, i have copies of the email and full header IP's to prove that, true his account was suspended because of the threats, i had to protect my family.

Now... I WAS PROVEN CORRECT YET AGAIN... THE MURAD I ARTICLE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO POISONED KNIFE, EXACTLY WHAT I WAS DOING, THIS VANDAL MKIL WAS REVERTING. I can not paste any links right now because this operating system does not allow me to do those things. I am requesting that you guys reply to the above so we can resolve the situation.

Resolution

IT would be best to reopen boxingwear account asap, then an administrator to order mkil never to touch my edits or any edits from chicago public library, and i am not the only one who edits there, as the system has over 100 000 computers. If he stays away from my edits and his stupid vandalistic approach there will be no tention between us. As you can read about that on simple wikipedia on mkil's talk page on marciano decision. Again, i am busy, out of town, will not be able to check anything nor fully reply with additional evidence, mkil has all the time he needs in the world, mafia has time and money. Mkil does not stand for i kill you with kindness, certainly his user name speaks for itself that he is associated with criminal elements. He will not show that on here, but my God, the emails I received from this individual were horrific; threats, name calling, etc... the above threat is not a threat, i threatened mkil with his wikipedia account and him belonging here, he should get his medicine, the medicine he gives others, something must be done, if this guy is not stopped I will not allow him to rule and delete everything he likes or thinks is commentary or some other sorry explanation of his. There is no love lost between the two of us, there is no chance EVER for the two of us to be even simple friends, he must be kept separate from me, i never had any problems on wiki, except with this individual. Now, check murad site and you will see that somebody else did exactly what I did, why did vandal mkil revert? He does not like me, he wants me dead, he wants to accuse me of things I've never done and this is only the start of what he wants to do to me or is planning... Well resolution is here Kumioko, hopefully you will become one good administrator who is not on mkil's side. But on side of reason and logic.(you are thinking like them., that is bad) He had few of thsoe who help him with IP range, give him things, then he reverts and vandalizes articles. I may not reply for a few days, i expect you to resolve situation with my situation, blocking chi pub lib does not resolve anything but makes it worse... The bottom line is, mkil should stay away from my edits. Just check john paul ii edits, my God... he took out the statement on his mother's death, a mother that was important to the pope, but uncivilized vandal mkil did many worse things over the years. But you want correct articles wikipedia? You choose, it's up to you. By supporting mkil you support deletion of facts, details, events, everything of importance. I have a college degree in classical music and history so I know much more than this vandal, I've been to many places with the military regiments too! Well, i typed fast, but you get the point, if you waNT GOOD articles I am your guy, mkil will continue killing things, details, events, facts, etc, he has no limits, a very stoic individual (who gets help from few pathetic administrators). Well Kumioko and the rest, show me you understand few things (you never did show any understanding nor did you research my good work), also mkil needs to stop calling me names, i only have one good name he should call me, otherwise he is starting confrontation and that is against the rules, he knows it, you know it but nobody enforces anything, what total hypocrites! I only had one account: Boxingwear

Actually I gave your request due weight and researched the issue for quite some time and I agree that I do not think that Mkil has acted very well either..but since your account was blocked by Jimbo wales himself I doubt that you are going to find anyone that is willing to overturn it. Also, since my RFA died a horrible death in front of a crowd I doubt that there is anything else I can do for you. --Kumioko (talk) 22:40, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps I could have acted better. However, if you are interested in the true magnitude of this user's problems, you should start here MKil (talk) 23:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)MKil

Got your message. Just wanted you to know who you were dealing with. Sorry you got pulled into this. It sounds like you had your hands full with other stuff (sorry about your RFA, BTW). Good luck down the road.MKil (talk) 02:24, 22 April 2008 (UTC)MKil

Yea, you just do not get it or what mkil did, then fine! Ignorance has no limits. It's THE Playground of the fools!

Yup, he should have acted better, i proposed peace between the two of us, but all to no avail, and i am boxingwear not grp, as explained why and how, will not repeat. Also he has pathetic cold administrators helping him do what he wants. Blanca carta.

If interested on other talk and replies, following mkil problem and useless reverts you can read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:64.107.0.76

Its not ok to revert things just because somebody may think something is not appropriate

here's one of only few examples i was proven right yet again: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murad_I&diff=206451410&oldid=206381071

Hank williams, that has been explained why mkil's revert should not stand!

reply

Hey, thanks for your detailed support rationale. VanTucky 23:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks, for the comment. The whole thing has kust been rather a disappointing blow to my ego. One one have thought that a user with over 30, 000 edits and no bad actions wouldn't have warranted the barrage I have recieved. I think after all this is over I will take a long wikibreak to lick my wounds and recover. Thanks again and no hard feelings. By the way cool thing how you got the star spinning around the Wikipedia globe, how'd you do that?--Kumioko (talk) 23:07, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I know what you're saying. There have been some strong candidates who have lost (or never gained) the trust of the community for something they said or did during the AfD process. [[6]] is worth looking at. A candidate so committed to the project and so knowledgeable that he advised other users in how to be admins; a candidate who is calm and polite and helpful and really builds Wikipedia. Yet does a flippant throwaway application that annoys people, and then during the process starts to show poor judgement. The AfD is a snapshot. Not everyone knows the candidate and bothers to look through all the past contributions, so they go by the application itself, and by what other people dig up. Saying the right things during an AfD matters - in the same way that dressing appropriately and saying the right things at a job interview matters. The rationale you gave for wanting to be an admin was not encouraging at all. There are issues about the behaviour of some admins who think that having the approval of the admin badge and the power to block other users gives them some extra authority - that what they say matters more than what non-admins say. Your comments looked very much like someone who wanted that sort of authority and power in order to back you up in debates. And then you started to quibble with people who opposed you. That rarely goes down well with the majority of people. And then you got snappy and said you didn't want to waste your time. That showed a lack of judgement and calm at a time of intense scrutiny (if you can't keep your cool and make good judgments during your RfA, what will happen when you are not under the spotlight?) All these things lead to a poor impression. And, as people say, better to reject a potentially decent admin than to let in one who will cause friction, drama and a mess by making poor calls.

You have gathered a lot of support and should take encouragement from that. It is your decision how to go from here, but bear in mind that many excellent admins failed their first, second or even third RfA. Being snappy during your RfA is understandable. It doesn't make you a bad person at all. We all make mistakes. If you show you learned from your mistake the people will give credit for that in your next RfA. But if you present that RfA badly you won't get in that time either, and will have to try again later.

It's your judgement call. You can hold on and hope this AfD turns around, or you can close it now on your terms. There is no hurry to be an Admin. You can continue making great content on Wiki without the extra tools. You can get involved in some admin related areas to see what the issues are related to being an admin, and if you really want to be involved in that. And then either nominate yourself again, or wait till someone else nominates you.

But there is no shame in stepping forward to volunteer, even if people don't feel you are ready right now. Better to step forward than not to offer at all. Take care! SilkTork *^YES! 00:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

As silk said it, do good job kumioko or even assist me with my account and mkil problems those things will help you to become an administrator faster, i expect answer to my emails and suggestions. Type on any search engine how universities schools do not allow wiki to be used in their classrooms, there are good reasons for that...there are users you cant touch, they complain, you get blocked, is that fair? But they can do what they want. Typical one sided justice on wikipedias! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.26.69.6 (talk • contribs) 00:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I hope when you become administrator you will be one normal individual. Mkil should never become one, as he will argue with everybody. Now he is arguing over death word. Well, if you do not want to answer here, reply on my talk page and on boxingwear account, you told me to create account, so this could be resolved? I can, sure, but it will be blocked easy, besides I only care about my account and apology from vandals who blocked it, it was in good standing and i contributed well, wiki knows that but will never say thank you. If it does, then it will admit it made mistakes and there are too many to count, dont be like them! And as you can see huge proportion of my edits have been proven correct.

Just a note to let you know, Kumioko, that although your current RfA may not succeed, I supported you and will support a future nomination. — Athaenara ✉ 08:30, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

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Re: List of African American Medal of Honor recipients

Hello Kumioko. The list is pretty close to featured status, I think, but there are a few issues remaining. All of the blocks of text need to be fully referenced with inline citations. Some of the text needs to beefed up, for example to better explain what a "Buffalo Soldier" is (that was one of the suggestions from last year's peer review). I've also been considering putting inline citations in the tables themselves, since the information is drawn from multiple sources. Not sure if this is necessary, though, and it would be quite a bit of work. jwillbur 22:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I don't think the there's anything wrong with having blank spots for those without pictures. For some of the guys, especially the Civil War and peacetime recipients, pictures of them simply don't exist, so a "replace this image" place holder wouldn't help. jwillbur 22:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Regarding inactive admins

see here, here, and here. Enigma ^message Review 23:37, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

this cracked me up. I think you need a second fix. ;) Enigma ^message Review 23:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Admin cleanup

No I think your suggestion had merit. I hadn't been party to the discussion really until I read through the closed poll and realised how it resembled a really nasty RFA. All the support !votes were fine, all the oppose !votes were leapt upon. Bizarre. Oh, and I meant to say congratulations on maintaining your dignity throughout your recent RFA. Please don't close the door on the process. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:43, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

It's hardly bizarre they were "leapt upon". The comments made either had no substance to them, or were incorrect. If people insist on saying no to something, they should be prepared to say why properly. Otherwise they should let us get on with it. That's the wiki way. And by the way, feel free to call them votes, because that's what they are. Majorly (talk) 17:04, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

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Medal of Honor listings

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Just butting in...

I saw your note on TRM's page and here is the answer: http://tools.wikimedia.de/~escaladix/larticles/ is a tool that works it out. Regards. Woody (talk) 14:18, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

SMEs

I have no objection to the principle of pointing people in the right direction. Just be careful not to veer to closely to Citizendium! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

SME

How is SME different from project membership operationally? Although declaring you are an expert and declaring you are interested in being involved in certain subjects are different, for all intents and purposes they are the some in the context of looking for help aren't they.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTD) 21:52, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

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Greetings! Regarding GRP, save any threats. I keep a file too. While I used to delete his messages, now I save them all. I'm looking into real-life action to shut this guy down. He's been harassing and stalking me for two and a half years, and the cup runneth over. Let me know if you want me to send you the contents of any deleted pages. Antandrus (talk) 21:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

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Auto start class articles

Hi,

I refer to your reply to my concern about micro stub articles at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/FritzpollBot#PLEASE - no more micro stubs.

I reply here as the discussion there is being closed and this may become a tangent anyway.

Do you know if there has been much work done generating non trivial article pages ? If so, can you point me in appropriate directions ?

I would like to try to improve the quality of initial articles. See for example the very much a work in progress at User:Pee Tern/Sandbox/Template/Gen stub Law enforcement agency.

Any comments ?

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Thank you

“ I doubt that you are being blacklisted, in addition to the absence of SatyrTN I have noticed a sharp decline in several areas of WP including edits in general. It seems that people just aren't participating as much lately. I for one have drastically reduced the amount of time I spend editing and creating articles because my RFA and other RFA's have shown me that the general feeling within the established community seems to be that participating in wikispace and non article pages are more important when striving to become an admin and get the mop. So although I no longer desire the admin bit the unnecessary buearocracy and drama that has been prevailing on WP of late also caused me a lack of edit-drive and thus reduced editing. Perhaps others have the same feelings. ”

Thank you, for I feel much the same way. There is too much drama on Wikipedia, and an exceeding amount of bureaucracy that almost resembles that of a typical government. For a free encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, it has become exceedingly difficult to complete that mission when the amount of intervention and bureaucracy is that that it requires a Foundation and oversight on every facet. Since gaining the mop, I have reduced my general article editing to that of reverts and easy corrections; I no longer write good quality articles that could pass GA. Not that I really tried all that much due to four web-sites that I pour more attention to, but adminship is greatly overrated. Thanks for posting that, again. seicer | talk | contribs 01:52, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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List of coalition military operations of the Iraq War

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Persondata

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John R. Fox

Konichi-wa, KumiokoCleanStart ...

I'd like to give you an Attaboy! for your work on John R. Fox (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ... BTW, this is my Real Identity, that I gave up years ago ... I'm also the WebMaster for John R. Fox's HomePage. :-)

Happy Editing! — 151.200.237.53 (talk · contribs) _{03:01, 6 July 2008 (UTC)}

Re: Image

I'll make a note of that, thanks. Got quite a bit of work to do on that front yet, hopefully it's not as hard as it seems. Wizardman 02:06, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I could, though based on the list I'm working from there may be some false positives (trying not to remove them from BLPs. I wouldn't mind, but others I know would). If there's a way to do that though it would be worth considering to me. Wizardman 02:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:BLP is simply bios of living people. Right now I'm just removing them from non-living people and lists of people (that list comes to 5503 from my update). It's a lot to go through, but removing from lists, infoboxes, neither, and finding living people means I try and check them if I can. I'm a stickler for doing things manually that could be done with a bot, I dunno why :) The ones on living people can be looked into at a later time, I figure. Wizardman 02:20, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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William Chesarek

When doing semi-auto spelling corrections, please look carefull at what you are changing. In this article, the references to "honour" (rather than "honor") are from British websites, and making your changes actually broke the urls used as references, or changed a direct quote. David Underdown (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Please be more careful, again when you edited this page you changed a date which was actually in the title of a reference, so should be left verbatim, and by "tidying" a repeated comma, which was in a url, you broke a url again. You need to look at context, not blindly "fix". David Underdown (talk) 07:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Your AWB edits

Please don't make unsignificant edits like [7]. br tags are automatically terminated by MediaWiki, so all such edits just waste server resources without a slightest benefit. Also, you said that you're replacing DEFAULTSORT with {{lifetime}} - please don't ever do it, as it violates the 'don't do anything controversial' rule of AWB usage. There were lots of discussion about that, and there is no consensus for such changes en masse. MaxSem^{(Han shot first!)} 13:38, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Re:Resubmitting a failed FLC

Glad to see that you are resubmitting it. With the GimmeBot automatically archiving pages these days, all you need to do for resubmitions is follow the normal FLC proceedures. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

FLC

Your most recent FLC is two pages both redirecting to the other. What's going on? Gary King (talk) 01:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Add your nomination statement and signature at Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Korean War Medal of Honor recipients and then resubmit it to WP:FLC. Cheers. Gary King (talk) 01:37, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Full stop

Just remove the full stops. Sentences which aren't "complete" are referred to as "fragments" and they are perfectly acceptable but they don't use full stops. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:50, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ribbons

Hey. I had a look - on my browser (Safari under Mac OS X) it looks fine. Perhaps it's a browser issue? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:24, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Infobox Military Person

I'll look into how we can add something like this; but I'm a bit worried that it's the sort of field that will grow to an absurd length for some of the more famous people in question. Kirill ^(prof) 15:49, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Request

I'm doing an overhaul of the List of Hispanic Medal of Honor recipients and I would like for you to do me a favor and look over my new intro. and make whatever fixes needed.

Semper Fi, Tony the Marine (talk) 23:36, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

• Great, I appreciate your help. I was working on a table, see:User:Marine 69-71/Workshop3 the on;y thing is that I haven't been able to insert the "asortable" thing into it. Check it out and if you think that it is the way to go and want to make any changes, you have my blessings. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:37, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Edward "Porky" Cragg edit question

Hello

I am new to Wikipedia editing, having contributed only biographys for my father and uncle. As a result I am still trying to understand conventions.

I notice you removed the died= entry value for Edward "Porky" Cragg. May I ask why?

ed

Ecragg (talk) 17:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Bronze Star Medal

I noticed you have edited the page Jack C. Stultz twice now with AWB to replace Bronze Star Medal with Bronze Star. I have reverted it twice now. The proper term is "Bronze Star Medal" unlike the Silver Star which does not have the word "medal" in the title. Please see AR 600-8-22, chapter 3-14, page 41, located here: Military Awards Regulation (Army)Atlantabravz (talk) 14:32, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

• I just had to revert Douglas Wilder as well. Please desist from making this unnecessary change. Rklear (talk) 01:34, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Honour

Re: this edit. Honour is the British spelling, not a mistake. The subject was a British general, so the spelling is appropriate (see WP:ENGVAR). Leithp 06:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Kumioko. I came here to say just what Leithp has said above. Regards, Xn4 (talk) 13:48, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Carl Ludwig (Medal of Honor)

Fixed it!--Cefaro (talk) 10:22, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Edits of dubious value?

Keith Payne: Replaced: <br> → <br/>

Peter Cosgrove: Replaced: == → ==

Why? These edits don't appear to add any value. I don't see the point in doing them. Obviously, you do see some value in them. (Or, presumably, you wouldn't be doing them?) I'd be interested to read why you think it's worth expending the effort. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Do you intend to reply, or should I remove this page from my watchlist? Pdfpdf (talk) 12:44, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

"I hope that helps." - Yes, it does, thank you. (In fact, it's disturbingly logical once one is aware of the the context.) Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

P.S. It's /nowiki, not nowiki/ Pdfpdf (talk) 14:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

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Replacing <br> and <br /> by <br/>

You are using a bot to replace <br> and <br /> by <br/>. That is not a wise move. Both variants never cause problems in a browser, whereas the new form (<br/>) does not always work well (especially on MS-IE). −Woodstone (talk) 20:11, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

This issue has come up again in Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#<br>. Quote from the W3C XHMTL Compatibility Guide (see under empty elements): "Include a space before the trailing / and > of empty elements, e.g. <br />". −Woodstone (talk) 10:31, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Responded to Your Comments on USAF TPS FLC

Hi Kumioko:

Just checking to see if I correctly addressed your comments to the Featured List Candidate (FLC) on the USAF Test Pilot School. See:

• Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of USAF Test Pilot School alumni/archive1
• Talk:List of USAF Test Pilot School alumni#Address Remaining Comments from Featured List Nomination

Thanks for taking the time to review. Skeet Shooter (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Recent rank edits

I have noticed a few of your edits to ACW articles with AWB addressing the second (and first) lieutenant links, making them go to the US use of them with the Second lieutenant#United States link. I don't use AWB, but I was wondering if you can set it to Second Lieutenant#United States to avoid many redirects created with your edits (First Lieutenant also). The same goes for changing Brigadier General to Brigadier General(United States) and other grades of general, as capitalizing the G in general creates more redirects. I've been fixing this as I edit pages also, but I don't want to make redirects if I can avoid it. Kresock (talk) 22:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for the quick response! Kresock (talk) 22:42, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Here's another one: In the article for Charles Pomeroy Stone you have changed his rank link for Egyptian service from Lieutenant General to Lieutenant general (United States). Since we don't have a page/summary for Egypt's use of the rank, its better to leave it without a country designation (U.S. is defidently not right for it either.) A few days ago BusterD undid this same change with an edit summary explaning this as well. He went in and change it back again. Kresock (talk) 23:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

In the case of Stone, the mistake is particularly egregious. First, during Stone's US service (1841-1864), only three soldiers in the US Army ever held such rank: George Washington, a fellow who played some minor part in the formation of the nation, Winfield Scott, commander of the US Army for 20 years, who only held the rank as a brevet (bestowed after a failed Presidential campaign), and U.S. Grant, who instituted the regular rank as commander of all Union armies. Second, Stone's office was as chief military advisor to the Khedive Isma'il, ruler of Egypt, and as such, commander of all Egyptian military forces. Stone never held independent command, although his influence in staff development was respected, and he often wrote orders sent Americans leading expeditions to explore and survey Egypt, Sudan, and the Nile river system. I wish the subject of Pasha could get more attention in en.wikipedia. BusterD (talk) 23:29, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi again Kumioko. Your AWB edits to Charles Pomeroy Stone changed his rank in the Egyptian Army to link to the US Lt. General page again. I have corrected this back to the generic article for the rank. Kresock (talk) 00:54, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Citation for "all MOH recipients are notable"?

Hi - I just became aware of a March edit you'd made to one of the Find-A-Grave pages saying that "per previous discussion all MOH recipients are notable". I find that hard to believe - when all we know about a person is the name and that he had a citation for "valor", that hardly seems to satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria, which requires "multiple works independent of the subject". But I'm willing to learn - can you point me to where this conclusion was reached, and to who reached it? --Alvestrand (talk) 13:30, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Portals and see also

Good Afternoon Good Sir, I noticed that you moved some portal links from the see also section to references per See Also portal links should be placed in the see also section. Also regarding the Civil war generals I am in the process of adding a link to the List of American Civil War generals page under the see also section along witht the portal links for the Civil war and the service they were in. Let me know if you have any questions.--Kumioko (talk) 19:44, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I have removed some empty See also sections and moved the right justified portal box to another place. If you want to create a See also section that has actual bulleted list content, this problem will not occur. If that is the list of generals, so be it, although I have to say that frankly it is pretty dumb to put that list into every article because there are already multiple Category links to generals in every article. It would be interesting to understand whether a typical Wikipedia user reading an article about a particular general ever says, "Hey, I'd like to look at a list of 1400 other generals, sorted alphabetically by Army." Hal Jespersen (talk) 00:25, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Bypassing redirect at FHWA

Please see WP:R2D; thank you. --NE2 06:11, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Unhelpful edits

I have reverted your edits in this diffe. The spaces you are removing are helpful for editors such as myself who have bad eyes, and help break up a long section or list, needed after several hours of editing. Thanks for your cooperation, and your recognition that guideline are just that: Guidelines. - BillCJ (talk) 06:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Change to Lightmouse script

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monobook

I notice that you are using a very old version of my monobook script. Have you considered updating it? Lightmouse (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

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Date unlinking

I thought there was consensus not to unlink until the exact circumstances and the decision as to which date format is to be used is determined. Separately, in Wikipedia:WikiProject Years and Wikipedia:WikiProject Days of the year, the question of whether the links should be maintained in those articles independent of WP:MOSDATE. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:37, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

There's also a bug in the code, whether or not it's in AWB. In April 15, you replaced:

[[January 1]], [[1995]]

with

January 1,, [[1995]]

— Arthur Rubin (talk) 22:07, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that in date articles, date links should be retained, and year links in year articles. Similarly for the other sibling articles in other chronological articles (decades, centuries, etc). Retaining autoformatting, where both date and year are linked separately, is unnecessary. In a date article, other dates (but not their accompanying years, might be linked; likewise for year articles. I think an exception needs to be written into the style guides about this. Can you remind me after we settle this accursed issue of which format should be used for non-anglo-country-related articles, at MOSNUM? Tony (talk) 11:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

dates

It's widely accepted that links should increase readers' understanding of the article topic. A link to 1 January will never do this, and to a year page is almost never going to do this. Year articles are either oceans of fragmented lists of facts (mainly in the 20th century) or threadbare lists (way back). The years of the two world wars are a possible exception, but these are the only ones I could find in a survey of year pages I did recently. If all year pages were like 1345, we'd have to take them more seriously, but I still think the problem of focus and relevance would be there still. At the moment, chronological pages need enormous improvements; if that ever happens, we might think of promoting them through the Signpost, Featured content, and in other ways; but not by diluting high-value, focused links in articles.

Date autoformatting was never going to encourage readers to hit those links; it's very hard to get readers to hit links of any type in an article. DA's purpose is to format, and it's a sad fact that it's tangled up with the linking mechanism. I wonder whether you've read this page? I'm interested to see whether your opinion changes. Tony (talk) 11:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Using my citation template fixes

One thing I forgot to mention was that it's probably best to uncheck 'add replacements to edit summary' in AWB as otherwise the edit summary gets filled with nonsense. Thanks Rjwilmsi 15:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

optimising the linking system

It's one of the best features of wikis. It may surprise you to know that a prime motivation for the removal of DA, which most people regard as a solution to a non-problem, is to minimise the dilution of our good links. This is also why I remove links to common words that very very few readers would ever click. The more blue in a text, the less likely a link is to be followed, I think. Do you agree?

But there's a host of reasons for updating our formatting. You've read them, but none strikes a chord with you. This is what I don't understand. Tony (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Autodate links deprecated

Please note that you will have to remove both the day-month as well as year link if you are making wholesale changes to date systems. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC).

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Possibly unfree Image:Affirmed Statue.jpg

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Navy Cross not awarded yet

Just to ask you not to rush into adding the Navy Cross to Sgt Rafael Peralta, it has not been given yet, and Sgt Perlata's family will appeal to reconsider that decision, thanks. --Cefaro (talk) 00:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion

My fellow comrades, I'm requesting your participation (opinion or suggestion) as an uninvolved party in the following consensus: Gen. Raymond T. Odierno in an effort to terminate an edit-war between the two parties involved . The issue involved has to do with the inclusion in Odierno's biograpgy his participation in the so-called "Surge" or to simply "link" said Surge to an article about said subject. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you all for your valued participation and suggestions on the Gen. Raymond T. Odierno biography. The edit "protection" of the aticle will be lifted soon. Consensus suggest that additional info should be included for his early life and career. Career history should go after the "Early life and education" section. It is recognized that the general's involvement in the planning and undertaking of the surge is notable and should be included in the article, however it should be limited in scope to what was verifiably done by the general and should not weigh too heavily on that particular subject in order to to have a more balanced biography. Final comments welcomed. Tony the Marine (talk) 22:49, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

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Problem with AWB edits

Would you be able to have a look at the comment I made here? I pointed out two edits you made, (here and here), which were actually wrong (in both cases they ended up stating that the person in question died aged 0). Do you know what went wrong there? Carcharoth (talk) 01:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Found another one. :-( Would you be able to work out whether the problem is with AWB or whether these were manual changes you made along with the AWB edits? If it is AWB, then someone needs to tell the AWB people. If it's you getting the order mixed up, well, that's a bit more tricky (I do things like that all the time, so please don't think I'm directing the criticism at you personally). The good news is that the template logic has been tweaked so that warning signs appear if people save an edit that calculates a negative age. See Category:Pages with negative age errors and for the warning sign, see here. Right, I'm off to do some corrections from that category. I promise not to check any more of the articles to see where the errors came from! :-) Carcharoth (talk) 23:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

USA vs. CSA

Good afternoon sir! I have a request of you. During your recent AWB edits to American Civil War bios, when you came across Confederate officers you have given the men rank links in the United States Army without regard to which army they held the rank in. I've been correcting this after you go through, but perhaps you can alter the AWB editing for Confederate officers to only point to the generic pages for 1st lieutenants on up to colonels (such as :major and :lieutenant colonel), and use the Confederate general officer links: (:General, :Lieutenant General, :Major General, and :Brigadier General), as these redirects point to specific descriptions in the Confederate Army. This came about due to discussion with Hlj, and I'll give you a link to it if you like. Also, on Charles Pomeroy Stone's page your edits on 1 October once again changed his rank link in the Egyptian Army to go to the US Army link. I appreciate your attention for these matters. Kresock (talk) 01:44, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

Hello again Kumioko! I appreciate your letting me know about your efforts concerning the ACW pages. When you get to the Confederate ones, here's a newbie for you to work your auto-magic on: Claudius W. Sears. It lacks personaldata, which I know you add, and such. Good day, sir! Kresock (talk) 06:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Good day! Here's another to do that magic you do: Colton Greene.

Kresock (talk) 02:24, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

And another, James W. McMillan. If you would rather me not add new ones here, feel free to let me know. Kresock (talk) 01:07, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Misleading

It is not so great to leave an edit summary like "copyedit, date linking deprecated per WP:Dates using AWB", when you are not doing anything about date links. This diff shows that you are actually changing day-month to month-day, not unlinking at all. I'm unhappy at this, since month-day is not a convention that I think has any advantage, and also our general approach is not to make such switches when there are two ways being used in parallel. WP:Dates which you cite shows that clearly. Charles Matthews (talk) 12:57, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

"Edward O'Hare": Picture unintentionally renamed when changing day-month convention

Hi Kumioko, you have edited the "Edward O'Hare" page as follows:

00:34, 21 October 2008 Kumioko (copyedit and remove date links using AWB)

21:49, 23 September 2008 Kumioko (copyedit, date linking deprecated per WP:Dates, Replaced: ,, → , (2) using AWB)

Both times you have corrupted the name of an image (Image:VF3 March420305.jpg) so it couldn't be displayed anymore.

I had fixed the problem first 24 September 2008 after your first edit, and now again, today, after your second edit on 21 October.

Please don't rename unintentionally images when changing the day-month convention in the text.

Thanx!

Felix c (talk) 20:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Your input is requested

Your efforts to add portal tags to a large number of articles has prompted a discussion at Portal talk:United States Army#Links in articles. An explanation as to the reasons for your actions would be appreciated. --Allen3 ^talk 15:52, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Semper Fi

Hey, just wishing you an advanced Happy USMC and Veterans Day. Semper Fi. Tony the Marine (talk) 03:56, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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Question about a picture you uploaded

You uploaded a picture, which is now on Commons - Image:Butlerandfriends.jpg. Can you provide me with more information. What year was it taken? Any other information? It will be on the USMC Portal next year and I would like to have as much information about the picture as possible. — ERcheck (talk) 22:22, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Seems likely it was around 1914, like this picture you uploaded around the same time as the "Butler and friends". The images looks similar. — ERcheck (talk) 15:20, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

I found this[8], which shows that the picture was taken in Veracruz. — ERcheck (talk) 15:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

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AfC news

Dear AfC participant,

1. Msgj and Tnxman307 are organising the AfC challenge! It's a little competition to help improve some of the articles created through AfC and we are hoping that everyone will get involved. For level 1, you just need to bring a stub up to Start-class. Level 2 is improving a Start-class article to C-class. And so on. To get involved or for more information please see the competition page.
2. Those of you who haven't reviewed an article recently might not have noticed the new process that was implemented this year. Reviewing articles is now more enjoyable than ever :) You might like to give it a try. All articles waiting for review are in Category:Pending Afc requests. (Please read the updated instructions.)
3. Please consider adding {{AFC status}} to your userpage to keep track of the number of articles waiting for review. At the time of writing we are officially backlogged, so help is needed!
4. There is currently a proposal to bring the Images for upload process under the umbrella of WikiProject Articles for creation. The rationale is that both processes are designed to allow unregistered users to take part more fully in Wikipedia, and partipants in each process can probably help each other.

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Union Army generals

I wanted to let you know that I just finished with a major overhaul to the Union Army generals articles. I added infoboxes, persondata templates, links to the American Civil War and Army portals, links to the List of American Civil War generals article and in some cases typos, repaired links, added categories or references, etc. I am planning on doing the same thing to the Confederate generals next and will start that soon. I am sure that there is still a lot that can be done to some of them but this, I think was a big improvement to these articles. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments.--Kumioko (talk) 01:05, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kumioko! I do appreciate the heads up. Since you have been using more detailed edit summaries, I have no complaints. I did follow the discussion about adding the portals, something both Hlj and I had mentioned to you before, and I also don't like the appearance of the portals off on their own and possibly disrupting text and pics. However, that issue seems to have cooled down, and some users have begun putting { { Clear } } in the See also sections to rectify this. When I work on a page I try to remember at least the default sort coding, and it's good to see others like you add it if missing along with the personal data and such. Good day Marine and happy New Year! Kresock (talk) 16:59, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

re: Redirects

Hi Kumioko. I have changed the United States to reflect the redirect rather then keep the piped link as when I was editing and fixing up infoboxs I found it completely unnecessary. Also, per WP:R2D, there is no need to pipe a link when there is a completely good redirect. I hope this explanation helped clarify a few things. Cheers, Abraham, B.S. (talk) 23:41, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Hello K-man: Fascinating to read about you. Sounds as if you need some R&R.I added some info to Peter Dewey Vietnam page you also contributed to.Mwprods (talk) 23:45, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject United States

Thanks for the welcome, Kumioko. I actually do have a couple of questions:

1. I am interested in helping out with page evaluations. I'm not entirely certain how to get started on that. Just pick one of the pages that hasn't yet been evaluated? I read through the portal system a bit, but is there a good tutorial on this? Or, if I do some evaluations, could I run them by a more senior editor to ensure I'm on the right track?

2. I recently created an article, Sheela Murthy, and I disagree with the assessment it was given. It was rated as low importance, which is supposed to be for a "Subject [] not particularly notable or significant even within its field of study." Based on the classification system, I would think the subject of the article is a "Mid" level, in that she has achieved notability within her field. (i.e. She's the founder of a one of the nation's top immigration law firms.) I could very well be wrong about how I am interpreting the classification system, in which case an explanation would be helpful for when I evaluate other pages. I also wasn't sure why it was classified as a "Starter" class article. I provided dozens of references to reliable sources.

I should note that I had a clear conflict of interest working on the Murthy article. I disclosed this on my talk page and had two neutral editors review the page while it was still in my sandbox to ensure it complied with NPOV. So, I feel a little uncomfortable disputing the assessment. But, I really have tried to look at the page objectively, and I just am having trouble seeing where these ratings came from. Could you, perhaps, take a look and let me know if I am missing something regarding the eval process?

Thanks again! JoelWhy? talk 13:47, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Great, Ok here is some that might help.

1. I assume you are referring to assessments (Start, stub, etc.) but if I am wrong please let me know. YOu can find some information about assessments at Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/Assessment but beyond that its mostly guess work up to B class. FA, FL, GA and FM rated content has a more stringent process and goes through a formal review process. We also accept A class but currently only WikiProject Military history does A class review assessment as far as I know.
2. I understand what you mean. As with the class, importance can be a subjective and sometimes contentious issue but personally I wouldn't get too wrapped up in how its rated. It can also change from one project to another so whats rated as low for US might be High or Top for Nebraska. If its important to you just keep working on it. Its kinda like notability, whats notable to me may not be to you and vice versa so I tend to look at other things rather than notability or importance. Generally it just gives the project a baseline of what to work on but were all volunteers so just work on whatever your interested in. I wouldn't even give much stock in the actual class. There are a lot of really really good articles that we can't get promoted for one reason or another (often differing political views). A couple examples are Smedley Butler, Charles Lindberg, etc. II'll take a look at the article and leave a few suggestions for improvement. Kumioko (talk) 14:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I just did a few minor improvements to the article and left some suggestions for other stuff thsat could be done on the talk page. I think if you do these things you probably have a decent shot at GA but without more content you'll have a hard time getting higher than that. Good luck.Kumioko (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Little help?

User_talk:Magioladitis#User:Magioladitis.2FWikiProjects_minor_error. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:30, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Bgwhite handled it. Your comments are always welcome. -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:12, 29 October 2012 (UTC)