User talk:Mark Arsten

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Beachwood New Jersey

I reverted the edits prior to seeing your note. I can provide a legal document from the municipality as to its public domain status. I also find Alan's opinion to be closed minded and obstinate, and have actually discussed this with the town in question and they feel the history is an accurate and logical addition to their municipal page here and wish it permanently restored in original format. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.39.129.134 (talk) 04:30, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

• As I have been unable to get a response at the user's talk page, I will respond here. Sorry, MA, to clog up your talk page. Even if the material is public domain it's not encyclopedic. As I've suggested numerous times, the material that has been inserted into the article is filled with trivial minutiae and needs to be drastically cut down and summarized, with a focus on significant events in the borough's history. Even if every anecdote and story is true, and even if every member of the Beachwood Borough Council votes in favor of a resolution supporting the text as is, the material focuses excessively on details that simply do not belong in an encyclopedia article. If the choice is all or nothing, the article is far better off without this lengthy screed. As I have suggested, the far better compromise option is to review the material and summarize it in your own words, compressing out about 90% of the material that has been repeatedly dumped into the article. Alansohn (talk) 16:09, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Yes, I agree with Alan. Even if this isn't copyvio, we need consensus to add it. Not everything in the public domain belongs in an encyclopedia article. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee Mailing List for Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds case

As you were the filing party, I feel that you should know this: due to several members of the Arbitration Committee recusing on the Kiefer.Wolfowitz and Ironholds case, the Committee is using an alternative mailing list at arbcom-en-blists.wikimedia.org. If you have any questions, please don't be hesitant to ask. - Penwhale | ^{dance in the air and follow his steps} 11:05, 15 July 2013 (UTC)==

Matt Eliason

Hi - Could you copy the deleted Matt Eliason article to my userspace please? Thanks. MikeOtown (talk) 12:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, it's at User:MikeOtown/Matt Eliason now. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Coin Toss

Since you protected this can you please remove the image as it violates WP:NFCC#9. Thanks. Werieth (talk) 15:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Good catch, done. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:52, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Fylbecatulous. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Rosin Jolly, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Fylbecatulous talk 16:10, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rosin Jolly

Hello, Mark Arsten. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, Rosin Jolly, for deletion because it's a biography of a living person that lacks references. If you don't want Rosin Jolly to be deleted, please add a reference to the article.

If you don't understand this message, you can leave a note on my talk page.

Thanks, Fylbecatulous talk 16:11, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Check the page history, I didn't write the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:18, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

"Faith Academy" Edit Rejection

I would like to attest the rejection of my edit on the article for "Faith Academy". I have sadly been so unfortunate as to forget to add citation for the sources I used. Here is a list of my sources:

Sources: http://www.4chan.org/ http://9gag.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.31.232.197 (talk) 17:46, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but 13chag isn't a reliable source. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:49, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Infoboxes ArbCom case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Evidence. Please add your evidence by July 31, 2013, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, — ΛΧΣ²¹ 17:57, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Undelete Matt Kalinski

Could you please undelete the article Matt Kalinski. Since his discovery Trojan wave packet is notable he is notable. It does not matter if he is or not tied currently to academia. It is occasional that the discoverers become notable despite their discoveries were done under their PhD supervisors. Other examples are Ising model of Ernst Ising who discovered it in his PhD under Wilhelm Lenz and Rudolf Mössbauer who discovered his effect under Heinz Maier-Leibnitz. Also the fact that he was deported from the United States in 2007 has absolutely nothing to do for the lack of importance of his discovery worldwide. I only proves that US became totalitarian and unfriendly to immigrants and foreigners as a result of Islamic terrorism. Mattedia (talk) 09:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but there was a strong consensus at the Afd that Kalinski did not meet our guidelines. You'll have to apply at WP:DRV to try to get the deletion overturned. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:48, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

deletion of page 'Rosin Jolly'

Hey I would like to appeal the deletion of the 'Rosin Jolly' wiki page. Don't know why this page getting deleted. She is an actress and is a genuine one. Yes I admit that she is a beginner in the film industry but a famous one because of the reality show she doing.I would like to have a wiki page, will you please explain what to do next to keep this page alive. If you could review the appeal that would be great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otnaesehgrav (talk • contribs) 18:11, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Have you reviewed the WP:NACTOR guidelines? Can you provide evidence (in the form of reliable sources) that she meets them? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

kindly go through this references

• Active contestant of Malayalam TV reality show 'Malayalee House'aired on Surya TV check Rosin Jolly profile.
• Rosin Jolly emerges the charmer in the ‘Malayali House’
• malayalee house in news

Her Malayalm movies are track, hero, Annum Innum Ennum — Preceding unsigned comment added by Otnaesehgrav (talk • contribs) 04:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't think I will restore the page by myself. But you can still apply at WP:DRV to have the deletion overturned if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:30, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

deletion of page Jesse Ronson

Hey I would like to appeal the deletion of the Jesse Ronson wiki page, I truly don't understand why this page is getting deleted he Mixed martial arts fighter and is a current MMA World Champion holding the AFC Lightweight Champion fighting for Aggression Fighting Championship he fights on network television on TSN2 in Canada and is a top ranked fighter in Canada he is ranked number 2 as the top lightweight in North American. what to do next to keep this page Active If you could review my appeal I would really appreciate it greatly. JMichael22 (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Have you reviewed the WP:NMMA guidelines? Can you provide evidence (in the form of reliable sources) that she meets them? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thank you for bringing a very necessary case to arbitration. Bearian (talk) 19:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Filing Arbcom cases isn't fun, but it's sometimes necessary. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

trayvon martin edit warring

User_talk:26oo is continuing to edit war on the exact same content you page protected the article for. Please address. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

A. you only have to tell me once. B. I've left another warning on his talk page. I'll watch the page to see if disruption continues. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

mea culpa mea culpa mea maxima culpa! I was getting database locked, please retry! I thought it wasn't getting posted, so I was retrying! abject apologies. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries, it's kind of funny now that I think about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

• He just did it again, adding the same thing in that everyone on the talk page was against having in there, and then after I reverted him he put it back in yet again. Please stop him from adding that nonsense back in when everyone else is against having it. Dream Focus 17:14, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Just beat me to it! Added it twice more today! Gaijin42 (talk) 17:24, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Huh, I thought my warning to him yesterday would be enough. Well, he's blocked now. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Regarding vandalism

I recently posted a message on the wikipedia help desk, about nefarious editing of a user. Though the matter got resolved for the time being, yet now i see that my help plea has disappeared from the page. Could you please tell why it must have been deleted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anami6ka (talk • contribs) 07:39, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I think the messages are automatically removed after a few days. I very seldom visit the help desk though. When dealing with "nefarious" editing, you might consider posting to WP:ANI though. Usually that will get a quick response from admins. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Mark Arsten. You have new messages at Benfold's talk page.
Message added 18:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Benfold (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Locked?

• Hi there, I noticed that you just blocked Michael Jadson (name is chosen probably because of its closeness to MJ), could you also LOCKED it? Don't want to risk letting the clown to go to other wikis to create more deliberate confusion. --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 18:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
  • Are you talking about globally locking the account? If so, I can't do that. You'd have to talk to a steward, I think. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

• Can you speak to one to lock it? As a SysOp, you carry more weight than I do. :) --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:04, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the global locking standards, so I don't think I'll get involved further. Sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:05, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

• Oh alright, I'll just go find one to talk to. Wish me luck~! --Dave ^{♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫®} 19:20, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Fate/stay night scenarios article -- put in my user space?

Hey, Mark. I just saw that this article was deleted back in April 2012: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fate/stay night scenarios (2nd nomination). I remember the article being useful to me, especially as someone who had never played the Fate/stay night visual novels, and had only watched the anime (still have not played any of the games). And I'm sure it was useful to others as well. I want to know if you wouldn't mind restoring this article, but in my user space (a subpage, of course). I may be able to create a decent article out of it (whenever I get around to doing that). Flyer22 (talk) 04:49, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I see a copy of it here, and there are very likely more WP:MIRROR copies, but I'm not sure how up-to-date it/they are. Flyer22 (talk) 04:55, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Sure, not a problem. I've just userfied it to User:Flyer22/Fate/stay night scenarios. Let me know if you need anything else. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Flyer22 (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Disruptive edits warning missuse

IP User 114.164.113.153 added a warning to my talk page that was missused, as he did with multiple rollbackers that got sucked into his edit war. Can this warning be removed?TRL (talk) 19:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can remove any warnings from you page, actually, whether they're warranted or not. Especially so in this case. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification. Did not to remove hastily. --TRL (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Italian resistance movement

Hi, the article right now contains some neo-Nazi bullshit inserted by Daufer (who is blocked) and it needs to be removed. It's the both claims credited to Frank Collin ("Frank Joseph"). Thanks. --Niemti (talk) 21:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Unprotected. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Block evasion

You recently blocked User: 114.164.113.153 for edit warring, he has recently been edit warring via IP hopping at Ghostface Killah, and like I suspected he was back at the page via User: 114.164.140.103 under the 24 hour block period. A range block seems to be appropriate. If you want proof see the talk page, as he responded there making it pretty clear that it is the same person. Thank you. STATic message me! 02:25, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

And now that Ghostface Killah was protected because his block evasion he is trolling my edits and reverting them for improper reasons. See [1] and [2]. I honestly do not know what to do and it is really pissing me off. STATic message me! 03:31, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, a range block might be the best thing to do here. I'd ask about it at ANI. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:23, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Do I really have to go through ANI for it? If he comes back again I might have to do that. STATic message me! 04:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't have to. You could ask any active admin with expertise in range blocks. To be honest, I've never done one, so I probably can't be of any more help. I just figured ANI would be a good place to find a more knowledgeable admin. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Considering you are one, do you know any off the top of your head? Now that he is going to "114...." and "118...." I do not know if it is even possible. I am just crossing my fingers he gave up for the time being. (Watch me wake up tomorrow and every edit I made today been reverted by this vandal-.-). STATic message me! 04:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I think the best thing to do would be to go to the list of active rangeblocks and ask some of the admins who have most recently imposed them (which I guess would be the bottom of the list/higher numbers). Mark Arsten (talk) 14:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

A user had mentioned in the James Pants AfD that the sockmaster behind the IP is banned user User:Cvlwr. If this is true we might have a bigger problem than I thought. But he is back at 118.6.203.31 so if you could give that a block too. STATic message me! 22:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I just asked another admin about a rangeblock. In the meantime, I guess we'll just WP:RBI. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the help, I will drop a message here if he comes back again considering you understand the scenario. STATic message me! 23:29, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Catlvr6969

Don't know where else to put this, but the name stuck out at me, as sounding awfully familiar.

The account could be a tribute to an ancient (predating Wiki) USENET troll, generally known as cattlovrr or some variant. Roughly the same MO as this one. Insult anyone, everyone, everything, persisting indefinitely. Even mentioning the connection is probably as helpful as sticking beans up my nose, but if they weren't using a proxy; might be worth checking for sleepers?--R.S. Peale (talk) 05:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, that is very interesting, thanks for mentioning it. You'd have to talk to a checkuser though about the sleeper check, I can't do that. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I mentioned you in...

I've mentioned your name a few times here, and at least once in a less than positive way, so it is only fair to point to the discussion.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:02, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I appreciate when people tell me that I'm being discussed. I also welcome feedback about my admin actions, and considering the negative feedback I've received about the block you mentioned, I have no plans to do anything like that again. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Frankly, I still don't get it. I barely know you (sorry, but that may be a good thing, I tend to be aware of the, uh, more colorful contributors). I do see you have an enviable unopposed RfA, which made the decision all the more inexplicable. I wish SG would stop hinting that you should apologize, it would be better if you did it without prompting. I think it is unfair to you that this incident may be the one thing I know about you, so I'll endeavor to pay more attention.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, I'll take this as a sign that I should do a better job explaining my actions in the future. I believe my record is pretty good overall, just a few mistakes in the past year, I think. Well, I hope we see each other around more often. I'm always surprised how many long-term users, and even admins, there are that I'm barely familiar with. Most of the time I do stay out of the spotlight, I'm mostly active at Afd and Rfpp lately--not much controversy there. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:51, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

That may explain it. While I agree with the importance of AfD and RfPP, I've decided to allocate my admin work to CP issues. Every once in a while, I feel guilty about not doing more at AfD or RfPP, and pop in, but I haven't done much there.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 17:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

That's good though, CP is a very valuable area! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

(watching) If you don't know another editor, you may want to find out why he is precious ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda, I appreciate it :) Mark Arsten (talk) 17:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Azerbaijani people

Hi Mark, 'Oghuz Turks', 'Ethnic groups in the Middle East', 'West Asian people' category must be removed from Azerbaijanis page.There are already 'Turkic peoples' category in tHe page for Oghuz Turkic and I will add 'Ethnic groups in the Middle' East to 'Iranian Azerbaijanis page',because Northern Azerbaijan(Azerbaijan Republic) is not Middle East region,Caucasus is Eurasian. Hami232 (talk) 22:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I don't know much about this subject, so I'm afraid I can't be of any more help. I suggest you try to form a consensus about the issue on the article's talk page. Or perhaps pursue dispute resolution (WP:DR). Mark Arsten (talk) 17:50, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Savannah Smith Boucher

Given the nature of the situation (persistent blanking by a person who was claiming "identity theft" on behalf of a purported relative), I'm uncertain as to whether I'd feel comfortable unprotecting it at this time. I won't object if you or another administrator feels comfortable doing so, but I don't think I'm at the point of being willing to do the deed myself yet. Bearcat (talk) 19:13, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, I didn't realize that was why it was protected. I see now that a user was making that comment on a couple Boucher articles. I vaguely remember seeing something about this now. Odd situation, but I guess I won't pursue it further if it might be controversial. Thanks for the help. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:17, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Virginia Heffernan

I'm having trouble with this page. I know you locked it a couple of days ago because of edit warring, so I'm hoping you can give me some advice. This writer's piece on Creationism is philosophical. Many editors (and many commenters and many readers) have interpreted the piece very literally. But there have been some who've come to her defense (and I've cited them) and elaborated on the issue by saying it was controversial and linking to those who defended her and those who criticized her. I've also added biographical information, which has been deleted twice. I feel like this is unfair to this writer, and I know I seem outnumbered, but this is wrong. What can I do? --bsnyd 00:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briannasnyder83 (talk • contribs)

Hmm, there are a couple places you could go to get more feedback on the issue. There's the biographies noticeboard, WP:BLPN, where they watch out for unfair coverage of living people. I'd try that first. There's also the dispute noticeboard, WP:DRN, which could also be helpful. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:07, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks protecting Mujaddid

Dear Mark, thank you for protecting the page Mujaddid against anti-ahmadiyya abuses/vandalism. BTW I am sure you would need to extend the protection beyond 29 July. The section had been under abuse since 2009 (if you would go through the talk page. Be well. --Drali1954 (talk) 10:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, let me know if disruption continues after the protection expires and I'll re-add the protection for a much longer period. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Blocking over BBC page

Mark, I really think you're 3rr blocking of me was not fair. I followed all required steps, In so much as I posted supporting evidence and attempted to seek a resolution by posting on the talk page of the user in question. As such it's unfair that despite me following the requested steps, you blocked me from the site for a 24 hour period, yet took no action against the other user. If Wikipedia is to continue to be the success that it has been to date, abusing people making a minor edit to a page (With supporting evidence) that is both proportionate, in context and not offensive is unfair. Ultimately I do understand that you wish to to protect and preserve wikipedia as a source of information for future users, but you don't achieve this by becoming the thought police and attempting to edit out mild criticism of an organisation or individual. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.155.125 (talk) 18:28, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

• Hi IP, thanks for your comments. In this case, you were blocked because you violated the "three revert rule" (WP:3RR). None of the other editors involved broke this rule. You were blocked for edit warring, not for the content of your insertions. Even when an editor is inserting valuable information, they may still be blocked for edit warring if they keep reverting and refuse to discuss disagreements. In this case, a user attempted to convince you to discuss the matter instead of continually reverting, and your failure to do so resulted in the block. In the future, please discuss disagreements on talk pages instead of continually reverting, and you won't be blocked in the future. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:45, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Mark, thanks for taking the time to come back. I wanted to just make a couple of points, firstly I reverted an auto change (bot) and sent through a note explaining why. Then then one user TRLOVEJOY, decided to revert me. I went onto his talk page and commented, did not revert again. He then came back and I provided evidence, I then reverted it as it was obvious my point was supported. He then reverted me, I went onto the admin forum he created and commented about the reversion. But In fact he did not move the chat across to the article talk page, until after he had me blocked. So as such his version of events was both dishonest and unfair, I attempted to discuss this but he simply undertook to lie and have me blocked. I feel I did all I could to engage and the edit war was one sided, i.e the other side! How do I complain about this action? Wikipedia should not be abused in such a way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.155.125 (talk) 18:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried talking to the user? You might be able to reach an understanding with him. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:41, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

I wrote on his talk page at the time, he then without responding basically had me blocked! He then moved the discussion onto the article talk page after he had you block me. So basically, I abide by the rules and try to discuss, he keeps reverting me and then I get blocked! I understand you have a task to undertake, but he did mislead you and is just as guilty as I am. So as such I would ask that you give him a warning also, as otherwise it's just simply allowing the system to be abused. Many thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.194.155.125 (talk) 20:20, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Texas Hold'em King

Why was this page considered biased? It simply stated facts about the release date and platforms it is on.

Thanks and let me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by James.Magmic (talk • contribs) 18:31, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, it seemed to me like you were using promotional language to try to get people to buy the product. Like when you wrote:

• Enjoy a tight, fast paced and immersive 6 player table experience 
• Get free chips every day to keep the fun flowing! Create you own table and invite buddies with BBM or NFC! 

In encyclopedia articles about products, we try to neutrally state the facts about something. Using "Enjoy a ..." or "Create your own ..." and using exclamation points seems like you're trying to advertise this. Stating facts is ok, as long as you use reliable sources (WP:RS). You may also wish to review our conflict of interest guidelines (WP:COI). Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

On the dispute

Hello,

Last Sunday you locked the page Azerbaijani People and said to try to discuss it on the talk page. The 3 days are almost over now, but there has been almost no discussion going on the talk page; I only got a single response by one user. And the two users whom I reported didn't even participate at all. The dispute has actually been going on for over a month with a few different users, but the same problem keeps on occurring after every report. This is that halfway the discussion the other party ceases to discuss (like now) or does not go against all my arguments, whether it is on the talk page or on the DRN. I think it would therefore be fair if the description would be changed to the original for now. And that the other party should start a discussion and defend himself if they disagree with the change, instead that I have to continuously do it while the other party ceases the discussion half way. Or perhaps you have other advice to give me? Thank you. Verdia25 (talk) 11:20, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

That's a tough situation. But if someone is refusing to discuss the matter and keeps on disrupting the article, you could ask for a topic ban or other sanctions for that user at WP:ANI. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:59, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Free!

Hello. It's been slightly more than two weeks since you semi-protected Free! - Iwatobi Swim Club for three month. Since it's been two weeks, would it be a good idea to (at least temporarily) downgrade it to pending changes at this point, or when the one-month mark has passsed? If vandalism picks up, the article can always be re-protected. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 23:50, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've downgraded the protection to pending changes. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:26, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Peru National Merit Award

		The Peru Barnstar of National Merit
		Per the guidelines of Wikiproject Peru, and for the major copy-editing work done at the articles Pisco Sour and Peru national football team, you are hereby awarded Peru's National Merit Barnstar. Congratulations!--MarshalN20 | Talk 01:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Although Peru's nft candidacy has not yet received much support votes as of this message, your contributions to it will certainly be of great help. Thank you, Mark.--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 01:23, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for the award! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

re: Talk:Tea Party movement/Moderated discussion

If you'll recall, a week ago you declined to block Xenophrenic or issue a topic ban, after he violated 1RR article probation and the page was fully protected by ArbCom member SilkTork. Instead, you issued a final warning.

Since then, Xenophrenic has been the lone dissenting "vote" on two different editing proposals (the "vote" is either 4-1 or 5-1 on both), and we now have a stalemate. We have a non-admin moderator who has recognized consensus on one of the edits. If Xenophrenic had been topic-banned a week ago, the "vote" would be unanimous and this would not be happening. The page is affected by community sanctions and you, as an admin, are authorized to issue blocks and topic bans as you see fit.

Please visit the Moderated Discussion page linked in this section header, and review Xenophrenic's recent contributions to the discussion. Then please take whatever action you feel is appropriate. When you gave him a final warning, you trusted him to accept that final warning in good faith, and control his behavior. Our Moderator, C678 ("Cyberpower"), could certainly use your help. regards ... Phoenix and Winslow (talk) 20:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to check it out tomorrow. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:47, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Naik Foundation

Hi. about an year or sometime ago, we created an article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naik_Foundation) and it was deleted due to lack of reference - this article was moderated by yourself. Currently we have got more reference in the internet and we believe that this article would be more significant then the last time. Please would you have a look at it approve?

• http://www.mid-day.com/news/2013/apr/220413-19000-teachers-to-benefit-from-vipassana-course.htm
• http://www.amchaghar.org/news.html
• http://anandwan.in/pdf/mss-quarterly-apr10.pdf
• http://ngo.india.gov.in/ngo/naikmiddaymeal.pdf
• http://164.100.47.5:8080/members/Website/quest.asp?qref=159234
• http://mdm.nic.in/Files/Review/Reports/2011/Final%20Report%20Review%20Mission-Maharastra.pdf
• http://facebook.com/naikfoundation.org
• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkuKHwetV6Q

Ramsubhash123 tc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.75.83.63 (talk) 07:19, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, to have the article restored, you'll have to apply at WP:DRV. Make sure you provide solid references for them (WP:RS). Mark Arsten (talk) 15:10, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Ten Minute Podcast

Hey, you were the admin that deleted Ten Minute Podcast after an AfD was held. I was going to start an article on it today after discovering several reviews and awards covering the subject but noticed it was previously deleted. Could you restore that copy to my userspace so as to keep previous contributions in place? Beerest355 Talk 02:34, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I've userfied it for you. It's now located at User:Beerest355/Ten Minute Podcast. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:35, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Negative national stereotypes in CoH2

Why did you deleted all information about uproar, evoked by the game in Russia and other countries? What does it mean "delete; talk page discussion first" - if there is a talk page discussion? This information was about point of view, expressed in review articles, popular blogs and petitions with thousands of supporters!

You are mistaken, I didn't delete any information from the article. I simply locked the article so it couldn't be edited for a few days to give everyone a chance to weigh in on the changes. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:07, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the full protect. Azarov repeated his "why-did-you-delete-this-wahwahwah" rant on my talk page. Some people don't get it and they think a full protect is overboard.--Eaglestorm (talk) 12:09, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, dear Mark Arsten, sorry for misunderstanding. Now observation of controversy in the game looks objective and make me feel proud for Wikipedia.Konstantin.V.Azarov (talk) 09:07, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

HAES

"Vandalism is any addition, removal, or change of content in a deliberate attempt to compromise the integrity of Wikipedia. Examples of typical vandalism are adding irrelevant obscenities and crude humor to a page, illegitimately blanking pages, and inserting obvious nonsense into a page."

The edit made to the Healthy At Every Size page was: "Note: This Wikipedia entry contains only biased information in favor of HAES, which is a program preaching that it's "healthy" to weigh anything, including in excess of 500lbs. This is by no means true. Please consult your doctor on issues of weight, not internet groups dedicated to making everyone feel good regardless of the truth."

This edit did not compromise the integrity of Wikipedia, add irrelevant obscenities or crude humor, blank a page, and was not nonsense. Whether you like and agree with me, what I added to the page does not fit the definition of vandalism given. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zshadez (talk • contribs) 01:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Well, thanks for your concern about our accuracy. I've deleted most of the page in question after you brought my attention to it. Usually when I see people add disclaimers to articles like "Warning: This article is wrong". I treat it as vandalism, but in this case you may have been right. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Sgt Reckless

Did you delete this page that I created? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 01:45, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Just briefly, for a WP:HISTORYMERGE. It's history should now be viewable at Sergeant Reckless, where it redirects to. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:47, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Please restore it. A page should not be deleted without discussion & using the proper procedure. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 01:53, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

You misunderstand me: the page hasn't been deleted. It has simply been moved from Sgt Reckless to Sergeant Reckless. Everything else should still be there. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:55, 28 July 2013 (UTC)If it

If it was moved, then why doesn't it list my edit as the first one, when I launched the article? Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 01:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Your creation of the article is still there, just not the first edit anymore. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:01, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Because it was deleted, not moved. The Sergeant Reckless in that article was for a different horse. Please restore my original Sgt Reckless article. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:07, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, then I may have really messed things up. User:Froggerlaura or User:PumpkinSky, can you confirm that the two horses are different? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:16, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

It's the same horse. But FieldMarine did create the first article. The draft in my sandbox was an expansion. When the article history was moved from my sandbox, it included every edit I made to the sandbox since 2010, which aren't even about this article. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 02:34, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, then that definitely was my mistake. I think I can move some of those back to your userspace if you want. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:36, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Sergeant Reckless has nothing to do with British racing, what are you doing FM? PumpkinSky talk 02:43, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Exactly - that is why I placed the info on the warhorse Sgt. Reckless back to the orginal article created in 2012. Sgt Reckless is the name of the warhorse, not Sergeant Reckless, which is a race horse. Semper fi! FieldMarine (talk) 02:51, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

You do realize you just contradicted yourself? Sergeant Reckless, the version you put in place, doesn't even mention "reckless", it's a racing article. And prove it's Sgt. not Sergeant.PumpkinSky talk 02:53, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The racehorse is far less notable and both should be named properly. I suggest a DAB: Sergeant Reckless may refer to: Sergeant Reckless (racehorse) or Sergeant Recklesws (warhorse). Will that work? Montanabw^(talk) 02:57, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

What Reckless racehorse? The version FM put in is a racing article and doesn't mention the word "reckless" PumpkinSky talk 02:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

It really looks like your version "Sgt Reckless" and the "Sergeant Reckless" PumpkinSky and Froggerlaura were writing about are the same horse. The only question now would be which title is best for the article. That should be solved by a move request though. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The article I wrote in 2012 was on Sgt Reckless, the USMC warhorse. Her name is Sgt. Reckless according to the artcles I have in the Leatherneck Magazine. Just look on the name printed on the horse turnout in the picture. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 03:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC) (AKA Jarhead)

It is the same horse, but I can't even find a British horse of that name and why would racing results be put in that doesn't even mention a reckless? That I simply do not understand. If there were a notable enough horse of that name, Montanabw's idea would make sense. As for Sgt. vs Sergeant, Sgt. is just an abbreviation and should be spelled out. She officially held the rank and the rank is Sergeant, not Sgt. Actually, since she was promoted to Staff Sergeant....but no one calls her that. Let's say you're a Gunny. You're really a Gunnery Sergeant, not a GySgt. And I still want to know what the British racing has to do with all this.PumpkinSky talk 03:17, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

I think some of the confusion stems from when the history of my sandbox overwrote the history of the Sgt reckless article when it was moved (previously made the City and Suburban article in that sandbox). Mark Arsten has since corrected the history. I'm fine with Reckless (warhorse). Froggerlaura ^ribbit 15:42, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

You have a point about the abbreviation. However, I have always seen it as Sgt Reckless in the articles written about the warhorse, not Sergeant. As far as the British racing piece, I suggest you ask the editor who created the later Sergeant Reckless article (before the Sgt Reckless info was moved into the Sergeant Reckless article). Not sure who did that. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 03:44, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I think Reckless (horse) might be the most accurate title. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:12, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

The British horse is a National Hunt horse that has only won 2 minor races [3]. That horse is formally called "Sgt Reckless". So if the racehorse becomes notable, the Sgt Reckless page would have to be disambiguated anyway. Froggerlaura ^ribbit 05:49, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Before I discovered Frogger's version, my draft was called "Reckless (warhorse)". I just used the name she used. Articles probably abbreviate it because that's what people normally do, abbreviate ranks....they'll use BySgt vice Gunnery Sergeant, Capt vice Captain, etc. Also, since the minor racehorse is formally Sgt., he should get that name if he's ever notable. I'm ok with "Reckless (warhorse)" if other's are. Glad we're talking this out. PumpkinSky talk 10:28, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you please protect this page: Penn Jillette?

Vandalism happening from several IPs, cluebot isn't picking up on all of it. Thanks! DJAMP4444 (talk) 02:39, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

 Done Mark Arsten (talk) 04:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

re: Multifactor authentication page

The page "Multifactor authentication" has had a section related to virtual token forms of MFA for several years. MrOllie and Vipersnake have been engaged in a "promotion by censorship" campaign against this page for more than a year, attempting to censor pertinent forms of multifactor authentication under the guise of "not properly sourced" or "promotional". The specific section they object to, referencing a type of MFA called virtual token MFA, does not refer to any specific vendor, nor does it promote any specific vendor product. There are numerous vendors who describe their approach to MFA as "virtual token", just as there are many vendors offering "soft token" and "hardware token" forms of MFA. The section is properly sourced and pertinent to this page. This is not anything new. The editors of this page have included virtual token forms of MFA on this page for years. I suspect that Mr. Ollie and/or Vipersnake have their own agenda for wishing to censor other forms of MFA. Perhaps they support vendors who do not happen to offer virtual token forms of MFA? In any case, the information is pertinent to this page, properly sourced, and does not promote any specific vendor nor product. Please remove the block and revert this content. Thank you. MesaBoy77 (talk) 04:15, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, that's an interesting situation. Maybe you could go to WP:3O for advice? Or maybe try WP:NPOVN? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:11, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

You turned a blind eye to my use of rollback in edit warring against a fresh, undomesticated, aggressive user. I expected so. Do you recommend me to comply with the policy in such circumstances? Did I make a wrong choice? Incnis Mrsi (talk) 20:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I hadn't noticed that you were using rollback. It's always best to use an edit summary unless it's blatantly obvious vandalism though. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:08, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the intervention on the second amendment article

It's getting a lot ridiculous lately. Granted, the article lede is a mess and the entire article could use a re-write, but that is what sandboxes are for, as I suggested in the talk page. The only thing edit warring does is make me wish for deletion of the entire mess!Wzrd1 (talk) 20:29, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Ivan Tomičić

Hi!

It's about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Tomi%C4%8Di%C4%87 Tomičić has made his debut in a fully pro league recently (proof: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/hnk-hajduk-split_hnk-rijeka/index/spielbericht_2326127.html )... so please reinstate the article and I'll update it :).

Zlopseto (talk) 20:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Ok, done. As this was a deletion by WP:PROD it could automatically be restored. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:28, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Second Amendment to the United States Constitution

Greetings, Mark Arsten. Thanks for protecting Second Amendment to the United States Constitution for three days. At this point that's a good idea. Note however that the article is already undergoing Dispute Resolution, at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Second Amendment to the United States Constitution. (If you reply here, I will see what you say.) — Mudwater ^(Talk) 21:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Page protection

Hey again Mark, I noticed you recently protected Future and I am wondering why you only protected it for a week, when the last protection was for a month, and that only ended a week or so ago. A view of the page history shows how much vandalism this BLP sees, and it would be better to have a longer term protection. STATic message me! 17:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Good catch, fixed. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! STATic message me! 17:27, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Reckless

Mark, an FYI that I nominated Sergeant Reckless for DYK on behalf of its lead editors. Because it is a 5x expansion moved from a sandbox, the edit history may not be clear that it's less than five days old. You may want to watchlist the DYK nom Template:Did you know nominations/Sergeant Reckless and alert the reviewer to the admin work you did with the move, the name issue and the merge. Thanks Montanabw^(talk) 00:02, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

One can always count on a horse-aholic!PumpkinSky talk 00:12, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Not me! Neigh! Montanabw^(talk) 18:38, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Italian resistance movement

Hi, any chance you could protect the above - you previously protected, then un-protected the article and it now appears that it is having the same problems again. Thanks Denisarona (talk) 05:47, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

It looks like the user disrupting the article has been blocked, so protection is probably not necessary here. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:20, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

American Masters spam

Hi Mark, I noticed that you recently blocked user American Masters for having an unsuitable name. The user was also posting external links to American Masters articles, for example, this one about Charlie Parker. Another user, AMintern has shown up and is posting American Masters links again. Here's one for Charlie Parker. PBS spam and sockpuppetry? I've never heard of such a thing! Seriously though, should these edits be reverted? It's PBS. We allow external links to IMDb and that's a commercial site. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, that is interesting. I think I blocked that account on a username violation, the spam issue is more tricky since the links are somewhat useful. First thing to do though would be to advise them of the WP:COI rules, at least. I'll think about this. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:21, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

It's so weird, because it's PBS! They've given so much! </whine> Please let me know if I can do anything to help. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

So I guess this means my taxes are funding sockpuppetry now :) Mark Arsten (talk) 18:33, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I guess they got them all: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/AmMasters. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh wow. Well, I guess that's that. A pleasure doing business with you, sir! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:48, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Same here, let me know if you run into any similar users in the future. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:55, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Heads up

One of your AfD closes is up for DRV here. All the best—S Marshall T/C 18:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, looks like he forgot to notify me. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:36, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah I having issues, wasn't showing up properly.92.18.33.11 (talk) 21:24, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

No prob. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Jade Bailey

Just to let you know, I didn't see much wrong with your actions. If anything it was probably brave to redirect as most wanted to delete. However general notability i.e something with secondary sources apparently triumphs any project notability guidelines (trust me I've tried to remove things and have failed because of this general nota trumping everything else). But I don't blame you, that's the short comings of others and as you say first week en all probably thought here's a straight forward one. So if I were you I wouldn't take comments personally on the AFD, as my intention is not against you, if anyone suggests that again. It's against the two users who seem to think that 4 appearances for the biggest women's team and an FA Cup win is insufficient for an article and are insisting that we have this process which we shouldn't have as you redirected it rather than deleted it.92.18.33.11 (talk) 21:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, no offense taken. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Sergeant Reckless work

I am now done with my major work on this article. I really enjoyed it and hope you do too. PumpkinSky talk 01:32, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Glad to hear that you enjoyed it! Good work on that, impressive transformation. Might be a good article candidate soon? Mark Arsten (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. You think it's that good?PumpkinSky talk 09:53, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think it would have a good shot at passing the GA criteria. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Christopher Worley

Hello, I'm Christopher Worley. My page of mine was deleted by you and i was wondering if you can help me out so that it doesn't get deleted again. I really want this page so that people can look me up. All I want is for people to find what they want to know about me. I also wanted to add my YouTube content in it like Toby Turner and Shane Dawson. Can you please help me?

Hi, the best way to make sure that your article is not deleted is to ensure that you meet our notability guidelines (WP:N). If you do, you'll have to add reliable sources to the article to demonstrate that (WP:RS). You might not be notable by our definition though, so in that case you'll have to wait a while to recreate the article (WP:TOOSOON). Also note that we generally advise against writing an article about oneself (WP:COI). Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:54, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the WP:RELIST

Discussion on the issue is most welcome. Eventually the realities of digital look-alikes are going to need to be taken into serious consideration and account in legal science and legistlation must be put in place to minimize negative effects. I edit wikipedia to inform people of digital look-alikes so the longer I can keep the deletionist tendencies of the deletionists at bay it's all for good. Am I supposed to or supposed to not to vote keep on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Digital look-alike i.e. do I look good or stupid respectively if I go an vote 'keep' and write elaborate reasonings. Cheers. --Redress perhaps (talk) 12:00, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, you are free to !vote on the matter. It's good to note that you were the creator in your comment. You will look good if you offer a well reasoned argument supported by reliable sources (WP:RS). See also: Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions. Good luck! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Happy Adminship

	Happy Adminship	from the Birthday Committee
	Wishing Mark Arsten a very happy adminship anniversary on behalf of the Wikipedia Birthday Committee! -- BenisonPBaby 14:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Wow, it has been a year. How time flies! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:29, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Apr to Jun 2013 Milhist content reviewing

		Military history reviewers' award
		By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your good work helping with the WikiProject's Peer, A-Class and Featured Article reviews for the period Apr-Jun 2013, I hereby award you this Military history WikiProject Reviewers' award. AustralianRupert (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2013 (UTC) Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

ANI thread Hello. There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI regarding abuse, censorship. Thank you. —Jerappelle (talk) 16:27, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Southwest Airlines Flight 345

Somebody has made it into a redirect. I G4d it and maybe you'd like to delete it again....William 16:34, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) A redirect is fine, does nobody any harm, and helps our readers find what information remains about that flight. Why would you seek to delete it? Is it "substantially identical to the deleted version"? No it is not. So it's not a credible speedy deletion target. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Rambling Man. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/The Coral Island/archive1

Mark, why was this deleted? Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:00, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

• See your talkpage Drmies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)I saw it was tagged as a G8 deletion, which didn't make sense to me. It did qualify for G7 though, since one person created it and then blanked it, so I deleted it that way. I assumed the tagger mis-clicked. I guess I can restore it if you'd like though. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:04, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

• Gotcha. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 02:05, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
  • No prob, anytime. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:06, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I Have Some Real Concerns

Hi Mark, I have some real concerns. I fear the Sikh and some India related articles are being hijacked by Sikh Militants and pro-Indian Government factions. These factions are polar opposites and are re-enacting a media battle on wikipedia. If you go through my lists of warnings I have issued in my history, you will find the mainlist of protagonists. Some are very eloquent like JDiala, some have WP:Competence issues like Jujhar Pannu. It's getting to the stage where all I seem to be doing is patrolling, tagging converting. Correcting articles ruined by people with WP:Competence issues etc. Have you any advice, apart froma large dose of valium? :) Thanks SH 17:26, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Indian articles are tough... a lot of people run into problems there. I suppose you could try asking for help on the talk pages of relevant Wikiprojects. Have you talked to User:Sitush? He does a lot of work in that topic area and might be able to help you more than I can. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:36, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Mark, I am more a consumer of SH's experience in Sikh matters than an adviser or fellow-traveller. A lot of the sources are non-English or, at best, difficult for me to obtain, and the subject area is pretty arcane even by the standards of WP's India coverage. Without having been prompted by SH, I have become ware that Jujhar Pannu might be a problematic contributor but, really, unless the WMF are going to dole out some serious cash so that I have sources to work off, there is unlikely to be much that I can do here - I'm spending enough money sorting out caste stuff as it is without delving into a whole new belief system. From my general observations I think that SH is correct in their summary - media battle etc - but, alas, this is likely to be a niche area even among niche areas. It is most unfortunate. All I can offer is a willingness to assist where I can and when asked. - Sitush (talk) 01:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Poor Sitush get's as much if not more grief than me. I suppose i'l just have to soldier on and hope we can attract better Wikipedian here. Thanks SH 13:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I have a lot of respect for you guys... I wish you got more support. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Katia Elizarova

Hi, Mark, I blocked the registered account and the IP (as far as I know, there was only one) for edit warring at this article based on a report at WP:AN3. I was unaware of the report at WP:RFPP. I don't think protection is required now. I'll leave it up to you, though, whether to remove it. Regards.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:35, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll unprotect. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:37, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Mark, let's hope there aren't any IPs lurking out there attached to the same individual. Of course, protection (probably semi) can always be reapplied if needed.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Unwarranted block

Hello,

You didn't have the right to block me for my edits on "Wake me up before you go-go". It wasn't a 3RR violation at all and it wasn't an edit warring either ! I simply re-added the elements Laser brain reverted. Your 3RR violation doesn't work at all in this case !

He talked about MoS violation, but to write "New wave" or "new wave" instead "New Wave" is not a MoS violation, it's the correct typography for this genre. And it's not a MoS violation either to write "number 1" instead "number one" for a peak position/a rank. It's totally normal to write it like that in the body of an article, as a peak position in a singlechart or a rank in a board is always written in number.

It's evident you didn't take a look at those edits and you did a great mistake ! I only reverted Laser brain edits per Wikipedia:Ignore all rules and per Wikipedia:Manual of Style, as my edits were entirely constructive and respected your Mos.

Now I'm going to change all my edits that Laser brain reverted for nothing. You mustn't take those changes for edit warring ! Take a look at his edits instead, which were not helpful and entirely unconstructive towards what I actually did.

And just for the record, my only purpose is to improve song articles. I don't intend to make edit warring/genre warring/vandalism at all. You must understand that, from now on, you have to let me do the necessary changes in order to improve songs pages. You'd better take a look at my edits before saying I'm violating any rules, which was not the case at all !

I hope you've undertstood this message and that you won't make any mistake again. Synthwave.94 (talk) 22:08, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to explain: the gold standard for dealing with editing disputes on Wikipedia is WP:BRD. When someone doesn't like your edits, even if you are sure they are wrong, it is advisable to discuss the matter with them instead of reverting again and again. If you keep reverting, per Wikipedia's rules (WP:3RR) you will be blocked. Even if your edits are better than their's, you don't have the right to continually revert. You should engage in talk page discussion, dispute resolution (WP:DR), an request for comment (WP:RFC), or a discussion on one of many noticeboards (listed at the top of WP:ANI). Anything but hitting "Undo" over and over. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:46, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I already discuss what's wrong on Laser Brain talk page but you must keep an eye on him anyway. I don't want to see my edits reverted by this user any more ! Is it clear enough for you ? Synthwave.94 (talk) 22:55, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Please do continue to discuss the matter with him. Try proposing changes on the talk page and asking for input before adding them to the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:01, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I never had to discuss my changes so far. And I don't see why I should discuss my changes before making them, it's entirely nonsensical. As I said, my edits are all made in order to improve Wikipedia articles. It's simply other editors who must understand what I'm doing and not the opposite. Synthwave.94 (talk) 23:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

User:Synthwave.94

Please take a look here. I'm not sure if they fail the duck test, but IMO they are a sock-troll. Thanks! GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 22:26, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Will monitor the situation. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:50, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I don't think this is going to end well. After his block he went right back to the pages that got him blocked and made the same edits again. He left a message on my Talk page indicating he believes he's done nothing wrong, and he continues to dispute that he's edit warring. For extra fun, we now have a Canadian IP undoing his edits (see [4]). For my part, I'm going to disengage as I've already spent too many cycles on it. --Laser brain (talk) 00:21, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

IMO, most of their edits are cleverly disguised vandalism. Also, I think that when you have an editor of only 6 weeks who reacts so aggressively to polite requests from respected users to stop edit/genre warring that 99% of the time they are sock-trolls. FWIW, there is some interesting "evidence" at their talk about editing under multiple IP addresses. I'm not buying the broken English bit either. Sometimes they sound like an ESL speaker and others they are quite fluent, IMO. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 00:43, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I'm sure this is a taxing situation for you all. Disruption on this articles can be very frustrating. Well, the editor has a choice to make about whether to continue pushing the same changes, I'll watch and respond accordingly. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

I see I have no other choice. I have to explain a little bit more the matter. My edits are not "disguised vandalism" at all, GabeMc. You're entirely wrong about it. I want to make understand to everyone here that my purpose is not to create troubles on Wikipedia. I really want to help improving Wikipedia, trust me ! But I seriously needs help from you : I want a better environment in order to improve articles. That's my only desire but you don't seem to understand it. If you give me all the tools and the environment I need, I can improve any song article. Please don't judge me on details, it's irrelevant. I came here in peace this time. Give me a second chance, please undo the edits of a "Canadian IP adress" (I see some of them has already been reverted by another user than me.) I'm sorry to answer "aggressively" but I've got the impression no one here (except one or two users) has understood my real purpose on Wikipedia and I'm frustrated that no one clearly understand it. Don't blame me please ! Forgive me for my last edits ! I can tell you that if my edits were so "disruptive", I wouldn't be thanked by other users. Yes, I've already been thanked for my edits, you can trust me.

To sum it up, please see my edits as "good faith" (that's the only word I'm able to use) and not as "disruptive edits". You're making a big mistake believing what I'm doing is in order to create troubles ! Synthwave.94 (talk) 02:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, if I assume good-faith then I would ask you to read WP:COMPETENT. BTW, you might be editing from an IP in France, but you are not a French language speaker, IMO: Je dis cela parce que vous semblez aller et venir entre plusieurs dialectes régionaux et ce qui apparaît comme des barrières linguistiques artificielles. Êtes-vous un locuteur natif asiatique, française ou britannique? GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

You're right, I"m a French language speaker who can explain myself in English, but does it really matter ? You would probably ask me why I don't improve the French Wikipedia. It's because the articles are poor and not written very well. I wanted to improve Wikipedia English at first, because there is much more songs articles than on Wikipedia French that can be improved. I thought I didn't need a perfect English for this, because I thought the two Wikipedias worked the same way : users check if there is no vandalism/nonsensical things added and accept the rest (except some exceptions). I also thought I did the things right since I created an account. I forgot to explain I was literally pushed to create an account. I didn't need an account at all when I began to modify articles, at the end of May. After that, I met Flat Out, which makes me discover some good things (the fact I have to look for reliable sources to change genres for example) but after that I got some troubles. I don't remember why but Flat Out gave me this advice : to create an account in order to have benefits IP adresses doesn't have. It's not entirely wrong, but there is a side I don't like with an account. You are quickly identified by other users and it's hard afterwards to make other users think you're not here to create troubles.

I have to repeat again : my purpose is to contribute to Wikipedia articles. I have great respect for Wikipedia and I would never harm any Wikipedia articles. Can't you see all the singlecharts I created, all the wrong genres I changed with reliables sources, all the bare URLs/incomplete references I completed and samples/cover versions references I added to songs articles ? You missed a great part of my purpose and when you're saying in your edits "restore to last clean version", you're not doing the things right at all. And how am I supposed to know what are the things who are wrong if nobody tell me them ? I'm not using Twinkle or something like that, I do everything manually. To copy-paste from a precedent version is the only thing I'm able to do to re-add what you cancelled.

I've got an idea about the matter (and I suggest you to follow it) : please tell GabeMc to revert his edits and to tell me what I have to change to respect Wikipedia guidelines (I don't have the right to edit his talk page so that's why I'm talking about it here). I won't spend a lot of time for this but he and you have to help me if you want a better article at the end of the process. I'd like to know what's wrong for the following articles that he reverted :

Karma Chameleon

Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go

Heal the World

Let's Groove

Upside Down

Just an Illusion

Music and Lights

Those Were The Days

Don't Know What You Got (Till It's Gone)

Words (F. R. David song)

Din Daa Daa (song) (that I particularly improved because it was nothing else but a stub at the beginning)

Rock Me Amadeus

I hope you will really help me this time. And a last thing I have to say : if you see a song article where I modified and that you found errors, PLEASE DON'T REVERT THEM ! Simply edit my talk page and tell me what I have to change. I often go on Wikipedia and I can tell you it won't take me a long time to react to your edits on my talk page and then to correct what's wrong about my edits. Synthwave.94 (talk) 07:14, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I haven't read all this, but I would strongly recommend that GabeMc give a detailed explanation as to why your edits should be reverted when reverting them. That way you'll know what not to do in the future. Synthwave, you might also want to consider asking for a mentor to help you. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Mark, but I don't and won't bend over backwards for rude and aggressive "newer" accounts that are likely socks, as this one clearly was. Nearly every single edit they made introduced errors and part of the success of their approach is that it takes far more effort to explain the problems then it does to rectify them. Anyway, several editors did try to explain the issue with them and it did not matter. Remember, AGF is not a suicide pact. GabeMc ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Well, I just saw that he's been indeffed, so I guess we won't have to waste time on him anymore. Let me know if any WP:DUCKs turn up and I'll block them and semi-protect the targets. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Copyvio/protection issue at Aam Aadmi Party

Hi Mark, given that you semi'd Aam Aadmi Party and I've just reverted a reinstatement of precisely the same disputed content, I think it politic at least to let you know that I have done that thing. My revert is here and follows a request for a self-revert made several hours ago. Also in the spirit of open-ness, myself and the user who reinstated - Tall.kanna (talk · contribs) - do have a bit of history concerning this article: you will see some of it if you are prepared to trawl through the talk page.

In any event, my primary defence is the copyright issue and the fact that Tall.kanna is aware of it both from the article talk page and from comment on Commons that pre-dates their reinstatement of the image and merely reiterates stuff that has already been queried on the article talk page. If I have stepped over the 3RR bright line by making that revert then please accept my apologies. - Sitush (talk) 00:38, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I think your edit falls under the 3RR exemption for copyvio issues. I just left a message for the user, hopefully he won't edit war over it. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok and thanks for looking into it as an uninvolved admin. This and other Indian politics articles are likely to get very messy over the next few months because there are state elections later this year, national elections next year. Some Indian politicians have now latched on to the power of the web and (I think) just how much even a small proportion of a > 1 billion population can tweak Wikipedia. Not that this particular instance is likely to be a tweaking exercise: it is a new party borne out of a populist protest movement and thus as likely to attract the naive contributor as the committed pov-pusher. - Sitush (talk) 01:34, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Indefinite logarithm

It would be a good idea to re-instate the "indefinite logarithm" article. The deletion is based on very weak arguments (quibbling, actually). The term is useful, and many other articles point to it, which makes the deletion very counterproductive. I'll be off-line for 2 weeks, not able to respond during that period. Boute (talk) 07:50, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, but there was a pretty firm consensus for deletion in that discussion. If you'd like to have it overturned, you'll have to apply at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:49, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Page Remover!

>:( — Preceding unsigned comment added by HoshiNoKaabii2000 (talk • contribs) 09:38, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

(Redacted) A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC) They also posted on my talk page after I nominated a page they created for speedy deletion.--Forward Unto Dawn 11:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I've redacted some discussion and comments here - everyone, please remember that Wikipedia is not the place to discuss personal details of yourself or others, whether real or speculative. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 13:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Wow, looks like I slept through some interesting stuff... It's not every day I wake up to a half dozen oversighted edits on my talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you keep an eye on this guy?

Hi Mark,

That unregistered user, 122.144.64.116, you blocked about two weeks ago for edit warring on Tubod, Surigao del Norte is back again and continuing to insert original research into the article. If this user violates WP:3RR, can you ban him/her from any and all future edits to this article? They've already been blocked twice for this reason. Regards, --Forward Unto Dawn 11:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Blocked for one week, hopefully this will get the point across to him/her. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Request for userfication

That retains article history right ? I have a recent backups of the text for obvious reasons but it'd be preferable for you to undelete the article to my namespace so I can work on it while I find valid sources for the term digital look-alike ( e.g. like this Scientific American article ). --Redress perhaps (talk) 12:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I've moved the page and its history to User:Redress perhaps/Digital look-alike. Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Will work on finding sources like the one in the Scientific American and also work on the article. One thing I haven't mentioned is the digital look-alike of Arnold Schwarzennegger in Terminator Salvation but some sources complain that it does not look convincing. --Redress perhaps (talk) 20:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Sounds pretty interesting, hope it goes well. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Azana Spa shootings

Can you elaborate on your close of this AfD please ? Specificity how those !voting keep addressed the articles adherence to the WP:NOT policy and the WP:NEVENT guideline. LGA _talk^edits 20:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I closed it as Keep because I thought there was a consensus to do so. I'd only throw out !votes if they were totally non-policy based. In this case, the people who supported keeping the article cited amount of coverage (some of it from international outlets). This lines up with Wikipedia:Notability (events), which indicates that international coverage can help indicate notability. Now, you certainly can disagree with their appraisal of the coverage, but in this case I think it would be wrong of me to dismiss their !votes. If you disagree, feel free to take the matter to WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I am not suggesting that they be throw out, just that the relative weight of them should be taken into account, for example none of the !vote keeps addressed at all the lack of any lasting effects or significance either in the article or with relation to sources this is a major thrust of the WP:NEVENT guideline and the WP:NOTNEWS policy. Also none of them address the souring is totally limited to news reports published in the 48 hours proceeding the event again another major part of the WP:NEVENT guideline. LGA _talk^edits 21:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I suppose they were somewhat weak. I've changed the close to "no consensus" accordingly. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:53, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I will add the Notability|events maintenance template on to the article and explain my reasons on the Talk page. LGA _talk^edits 21:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Persistant disruptive edits on articles labeled "LGBT People from Italy"

Three months ago, the same user began to make systematic disruptive edits from different computers on Benvenuto Cellini, Poliziano, Torquato Tasso and Lucio Dalla among others.

The different IPs used by this person, probably Guido Lonchile (talk · contribs), are, for the more recent ones :

217.203.129.136 (talk · contribs), 95.74.248.0 (talk · contribs) and 109.52.145.74 (talk · contribs) for Torquato Tasso

217.203.139.73 (talk · contribs), 95.75.19.58 (talk · contribs)and 109.52.145.74 (talk · contribs) for Benvenuto Cellini

95.74.240.181 (talk · contribs), 217.203.139.73 (talk · contribs), 109.54.162.138 (talk · contribs) and B. River (talk · contribs), specifically created on this purpose for Poliziano.

Isn't it possible to block that person or to protect these articles ? Frimoussou (talk) 22:36, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for being so thorough. It is definitely possible to protect these articles, I think they've all been semi-protected for a while actually. Blocking the IPs might be a little difficult, but we might be able to get them rangeblocked. I'd have to check with someone who knows rangeblocks better than I do. Hopefully someone will the the ANI report you filed on the topic. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:22, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

IP socks

Strong evidence of sockpuppetry and block evasion between 67.53.53.26 and 24.43.201.210 (and possibly more). I'm notifying Jehochman as well. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 22:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Interesting, it looks like 67* is blocked. 24* might qualify for a block too. His comment on the talk page of Snowden's article wasn't vandalism per se, but wasn't really understandable either. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism of article, Norse dwarves

Not sure what to do.

An editor, Bloodofox, has a history of nonscholarly POV extremism, and has been doing vandalism to wikipedia for years now.

It seems that - without any permission or consensus - Bloodofox has destroyed the extensive history and scholarly citations in the “Norse dwarves” article by “moving” it to his own new POV-extreme article “Dwarf (Norse mythology)”.

Again, this is after a history of Bloodofox dealing damage to the Norse dwarves article, and apparently failing recently to gain a consensus to “merge” - thus destroy the article - into Dwarf (Germanic).

If someone knows how to repair the damage that Bloodofox has done, please, do so. To save the accumulation of academic citations.

Please restore the “Norse dwarves” article to before Bloodofox “moved” it. Haldrik (talk) 01:33, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

First of all, while his edits may or may not be misguided, they're not vandalism, per see. Vandalism has a very specific definition. But, if you disagree with his edits, the first thing to do is to explain why on the article's talk page. Then, you can possibly open an request for comment or go to another stage of dispute resolution where you'll get more input from other users. The important things to keep in mind are what reliable sources say and to be civil/not edit war. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:45, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Bloodofox has destroyed an entire article - and its history - and its years of content - by “moving” it. Without discussion. Without consensus. And with other editors continually needing to undo his vandalism. It is vandalism. I dont know how to recover the article that Bloodofox has destroyed. Haldrik (talk) 01:52, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

No, he didn't destroy the article, he just moved it. The history is visible at Dwarf (Norse mythology) now, I believe. If you think it should be moved back to the old title, you should file a requested move. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:54, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

No. The original article is Norse dwarves. But its history is now gone. Everything before the “move” is gone. The content has been destroyed. If you know how to restore it the history that existed in Norse dwarves before Bloodofox moved it. Please. Do so. Haldrik (talk) 01:58, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused, I think the old history is present at the new title. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:04, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Your information was helpful. I was able to restore the content. But unable to undo the name change. Haldrik (talk) 02:10, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

But doesn't the cute little kitten make your cold heart sing? :D

An0nym0us7r011 (talk) 02:14, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

It sure does. But I will block you unless you stop vandalizing. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2013 (UTC)