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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Cavarrone 08:18, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huang Shi An

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Although he was a Chinese calligrapher, I did not find any reliable information on relevant Chinese websites, fit with Wikipedia:Notability WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. "黄石庵的"传多一点"" [Huang Shi'an's "Passage a little more"]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). 2016-05-02.
  The article notes: "黄石庵原名子贞，生于1903年，原籍广东客家。他曾任《马华日报》总编辑，是南洋先驱书法家代表性人物，与朱自存先生等一起发起马来西亚书艺协会，一生积极推广书法艺术，甚为人敬重。黄老书法先由魏碑入手，继而钻研石门、何绍基，最后专心致力于康有为体，字体沉郁古朴，豪迈雄风。徐悲鸿称其书有南海气，认为黄氏之书风与其同出一家。石庵书法，曾在新加坡、中国北京中国画研究院等地办过个展。"
  From Google Translate: "Huang Shi'an, whose original name was Zizhen, was born in 1903 and was originally from Hakka in Guangdong. He was the former editor-in-chief of "Mahua Daily" and was a representative figure of pioneer calligraphers in Nanyang. He founded the Malaysian Calligraphy Association together with Mr. Zhu Zicun and others. He actively promoted the art of calligraphy throughout his life and was highly respected by people. Huang Lao first started with Wei Bei's calligraphy, then studied Shimen and He Shaoji, and finally concentrated on Kang Youwei's calligraphy, with his calligraphy being melancholy, simple and heroic. Xu Beihong said that his calligraphy has the style of the South China Sea, and he believed that Huang's calligraphy style came from the same family as him. Shi An's calligraphy has been held in solo exhibitions in Singapore, the Chinese Painting Research Institute in Beijing, China, and other places."
  The article notes: "写这幅对联时黄老86岁，两年后，1990年，黄老病逝于吉隆坡。"
  From Google Translate: "Huang Lao was 86 years old when he wrote this couplet. Two years later, in 1990, Huang Lao died of illness in Kuala Lumpur."
2. "Chinese Calligraphy article". 中国书法 [Chinese Calligraphy] (in Chinese). 2006. p. 83. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via Google Books.
  The article notes: "其他著名的书家还有李家耀、黄石庵。... 黄石庵曾是两任《马华日报》总编,历任马来西亚书法赛评审,积极推广书法艺术在马来西亚的发展,门生有刘创周 ī 每父に記依嶼津吴雙清心☆彬米雲之祐道兄属陈景昭南马柔佛州的书法,以麻坡陈人浩的影响为最深。"
  From Google Translate: "Other famous calligraphers include Li Jiayao and Huang Shi'an. ... Huang Shi'an was the editor-in-chief of the "Mahua Daily" for two terms, and served as a judge for the Malaysian Calligraphy Competition. He actively promoted the development of calligraphy art in Malaysia. His students include Liu Chuangzhou ī Every father に记 Yiyujin Wu Shuangqingxin☆ Binmi Yunzhi Brother Yau Tao is a calligrapher from Johor State in southern Malaysia, Chen Jingzhao, with the greatest influence being from Muar’s Chen Renhao."
3. 美术辞林: 书法艺术卷 [Art Dictionary: The Art of Calligraphy Vol.] (in Chinese). 陕西人民美术出版社. Shaanxi People's Fine Arts Publishing House. 1992. p. 324. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "【黄石庵】 1902 年生于广东惠应县,中国血统马来西亚书法家。黄石庵早年即浸淫于诗词、书法,十四岁时在全县诗词书法比赛中名列-榜首。至今临池不辍,达七十余载。其书法由帖到碑,再汉入魏,又潜心于康有为、于右任书风的探求,并极力追求时代气息,形成了沉^古朴、表迈雄强的书风,"
  From Google Translate: "[Huang Shi An] Born in Huiying County, Guangdong in 1902, he is a Malaysian calligrapher of Chinese origin. Huang Shi An was immersed in poetry and calligraphy in his early years. At the age of fourteen, he ranked first in the county's poetry and calligraphy competition. So far, I have been visiting the pond for more than seventy years. His calligraphy evolved from calligraphy to tablets, and then from the Han Dynasty to the Wei Dynasty. He also devoted himself to the exploration of the calligraphy style of Kang Youwei and Yu Youren, and vigorously pursued the flavor of the times, forming a calligraphy style that is simple, simple, and majestic."
4. "大马书法界耆宿黄石庵书法展览下月初在我国举行" [The calligraphy exhibition of Huang Shi'an, a veteran in the Malaysian calligraphy circle, will be held in Malaysia early next month.]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). 1986-03-24. p. 4. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  The article notes: "应新加坡中华书学协会之邀,马来西亚书界耆宿黄石庵将于4月3日至 6日,在中华总商会展览厅举行个人书法展览会。配合展览会的举行, 中华书协将在社会发展部及李氏基金的赞助下,出版《黄石庵八四书集览》1000册,以广流传"
  From Google Translate: "At the invitation of the Singapore Chinese Calligraphy Association, Wong Shek An, a veteran in the Malaysian calligraphy community, will hold a personal calligraphy exhibition at the Chinese General Chamber of Commerce Exhibition Hall from April 3 to 6. In conjunction with the exhibition, the Chinese Calligraphers Association, with the sponsorship of the Ministry of Social Development and the Lee Foundation, will publish 1,000 volumes of "Collection of Huang Shi'an's Eighty-Four Books" to spread widely."
5. "黄石庵老先生千古 (黄公于1990年12月14日上午7时归道,享年88岁)" [Mr. Huang Shi'an through the ages (Huang Gong returned home at 7:00 am on 14 December 1990, at the age of 88)]. Lianhe Zaobao (in Chinese). 1990-12-15. p. 63. Retrieved 2024-04-09 – via NewspaperSG. Ministry of Communications and Information.
  The article verifies Huang Shi'an died on 14 December 1990.
6. "黄石庵书法义展即起创价文化中心举行" [Huang Shi'an calligraphy benefit exhibition to be held at Soka Cultural Center]. Nanyang Siang Pau (in Chinese). 2005-05-27. p. B10.
  The article notes: "马来西亚书艺协会顾问姚拓曾指出，黄石庵从小学习楷书，后来又专门研究魏碑、石门，也曾学习刘墉、何绍基及康有为的书体。他的作品造诣深厚，一笔一划看似漫不经意，其实是一气呵成，流露天真与自然。书画展每日开放"
  From Google Translate: "Yao Tuo, consultant of the Malaysian Calligraphy Association, once pointed out that Huang Shi'an studied regular script since childhood, and later specialized in Wei Stele and Shimen. He also studied the calligraphy styles of Liu Yong, He Shaoji and Kang Youwei. His works are profound, and each stroke may seem careless, but in fact they are completed in one go, revealing truth and nature. Calligraphy and painting exhibition open daily."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Huang Shi An (simplified Chinese: 黄石庵; traditional Chinese: 黃石庵) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Any editor want to take on assessing some of these sources?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the sources found by Cunard. Mccapra (talk) 07:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:48, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huaguoyuan Towers

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The Huaguoyuan Tower is a pair of super tall skyscrapers located in Guiyang, Guizhou, China. However, I couldn't find a lot of relevant information on Chinese search engines, perhaps due to translation issues. In fact, the media did not continue to pay attention to this building, which is in line with Wikipedia:Notability WANGYIFAN2024 (talk) 04:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added some references from the Chinese Wikipedia. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 06:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Chen, Yue; Feng, Yan 冯艳 (2015-09-21). Zhao, Xingzhi 赵兴智 (ed.). "中国第一高——花果园双子塔封顶" [The Tallest in China - Huaguoyuan Twin Towers Topped Out]. 贵州商报 [Guizhou Business Daily] (in Chinese). Guizhou Daily. Archived from the original on 2017-06-16. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "花果园双子塔坐落于贵州省最大旧城改造项目——花果园项目的核心位置，分东西两座塔楼，两塔结构高度和建筑总高度分别均为334.35米和406米，属于花果园200万平方米商业规划中最重要部分。作为贵阳未来城市的地标性建筑和贵阳城市经济发展的缩影，双子塔规划时就被赋予了“铭记加速发展、加快转型的奋进贵州”的特殊含义，奠基时更被看作是“我国西部崛起的一个标志”。"
  From Google Translate: "The Huaguoyuan Twin Towers are located at the core of the Huaguoyuan Project, the largest old city renovation project in Guizhou Province. They are divided into two towers, the east and west towers. The structural height of the two towers and the total building height are 334.35 meters and 406 meters respectively. They belong to the Huaguoyuan 2 million Square meters are the most important part of business planning. As the landmark building of Guiyang's future city and the epitome of Guiyang's urban economic development, the Twin Towers were given the special meaning of "keeping in mind the accelerating development and transformation of Guizhou" when they were planned. When the foundation was laid, they were even regarded as "the rise of western my country." a sign of"."
2. Liu, Lihong 刘丽红 (2018-04-12). "贵阳花果园双子塔开启全球招租" [Guiyang Huaguoyuan Twin Towers opens global leasing] (in Chinese). China Internet Information Center. Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "贵阳国际贸易中心双子塔高335米，是目前全国已经修建完成的最高“双子塔”，分为A、B两座，A座是贵阳少有的超甲级写字楼，属于贵阳写字楼的翘楚。B座则是贵阳的首家超奢华五星费尔蒙酒店及部分高端公寓。"
  From Google Translate: "The twin towers of Guiyang International Trade Center are 335 meters high and are the tallest "twin towers" that have been built in the country. They are divided into two towers, A and B. Tower A is a rare super-A office building in Guiyang and is the leader of Guiyang office buildings. Tower B is Guiyang’s first ultra-luxury five-star Fairmont hotel and some high-end apartments."
3. "央视上演"厉害了我的国"全国33个城市地标主题灯光秀花果园双子塔闪耀筑城" [CCTV staged "My Country is Amazing" with landmark-themed light shows in 33 cities across the country, and the Twin Towers of the Flower Orchard shimmered into the city.] (in Chinese). China Internet Information Center. 2017-10-09. Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "贵阳花果园项目“双子塔工程”，位于贵阳市南明区花果园项目中部彭家湾地段，贵黄公路、川黔铁路和贵广高铁以北，花溪大道西侧。它以335米的建设高度成为贵阳城市的新地标。作为贵阳城市的地标性建筑和贵阳城市经济发展的缩影，双子塔规划时就被看作“我国西部崛起的一个标志”。"
  From Google Translate: "The "Twin Towers Project" of Guiyang Huaguoyuan Project is located in the Pengjiawan section of the central Huaguoyuan Project in Nanming District, Guiyang City, north of Guihuang Highway, Sichuan-Guizhou Railway and Guizhou-Guangzhou High-speed Railway, and on the west side of Huaxi Avenue. With a construction height of 335 meters, it has become a new landmark in Guiyang city. As a landmark building in Guiyang and the epitome of Guiyang's economic development, the Twin Towers were regarded as "a symbol of the rise of western my country" when they were planned."
4. Xu, Qifei 徐其飞 (2020-08-19). Gao, Linxiao 郜林筱; Chen, Kangqing 陈康清 (eds.). "清晨登顶花果园双子塔一览"云隙光瀑"奇观" [Climb to the top of the Huaguoyuan Twin Towers in the early morning to see the wonders of the "Light Waterfall in the Clouds"]. People's Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "站在花果园双子塔上望去，只见一束束阳光穿透云层，如从天而降的“瀑布”直泻大地。大大小小的山头在光瀑的照射下，散发出空灵、静谧的魅力。"
  From Google Translate: "Standing on the Twin Towers of Huaguoyuan, you can see beams of sunlight penetrating the clouds, like "waterfalls" falling from the sky to the earth. Under the illumination of the light waterfall, the mountains, large and small, exude an ethereal and quiet charm."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow the Huaguoyuan Towers (simplified Chinese: 花果园双子塔; traditional Chinese: 花果園雙子星大樓), also known as Guiyang International Trade Center (simplified Chinese: 贵阳国际贸易中心; traditional Chinese: 貴陽國際貿易中心) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per @Cunard's argument ; thank you @Eastmain for the added references. Choucas Bleu (T·C) 10:01, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. —Ganesha811 (talk) 16:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Xing Ruiming

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Non notable individual. Can't check the sources since they are offline. Claim of notability is bogus anyway Bedivere (talk) 13:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Noting that author of the page is also the grandson/daughter of this individual, as they have so claimed on their talk page and on Commons Bedivere (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, and my grandma passed away a long time ago. And I have been retired for 7 years, at my late 60's already. Ctxz2323 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

that does not exempt you from having a conflict of interest, or in simpler words, an extremely subjective point of view, which reads clearly on your article. Nothing against your grandmother, it's just that I fail to see how she is encyclopedically relevant. Bedivere (talk) 01:23, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Most of the sources listed under References are online with links available. Ctxz2323 (talk) 23:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And notability is supported by these sources (in Chinese). Ctxz2323 (talk) 23:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Extremely weak~~keep The sourcing is marginal and the tone is not encyclopedic but we have two sources with a substantial amount of detail (one of which has a problem -- see below). Here's a very quick summary:
1, 6 - does not appear to be independent if published by the church
2, 4 - Definitely talk about the article subject but hosted by fx361.com, which appears to be a site for pirated copyrighted materials; how can we assess whether these articles actually appeared in this form in the publications listed?
3 - can't access, summary doesn't mention the article subject
5 - yes, this appears to be a detailed obituary-type article

For #4, the Zhang Li article this link [1] is better.

I can see that the article creator put a lot of work into this but it could be improved by making it a lot shorter and objective. The tone is completely lacking in neutrality, perhaps what we'd expect from a conflict-of-interest editor but that's no excuse. Articles must have encyclopedic tone. Words about being devoted to spreading the gospel, "precious memories", and "loved God and people" are not neutral and should be deleted or put into a neutral tone (if clearly supported by the sources). Oblivy (talk) 01:04, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have just changed the Zhang Li article link to the better one.

And will do more on your good suggestions.

I would also like to thank Cielquiparle (talk · contribs) and the other editors who are helping to bring the article up to the level. Ctxz2323 (talk) 07:27, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the 'extremely weak' from my vote as it seems this article has been greatly improved. It is still, in my opinion, unacceptably hagiographic (treating the subject with undue reverence)), but I don't think that's an issue for this forum.Oblivy (talk) 02:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment commenting at the bottom to try to distance this a bit from the strong language used by @Bedivere, I want to make two points on the issue of conflict of interest here:

First, @Ctxz2323 did the correct thing disclosing the COI, although probably the article should have been submitted through AfC rather than through direct creation.
Second, as I've said above this article suffers from a non-neutral tone. Although the WP:COI guideline says editors "are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly," speaking for myself, I would welcome if @Ctxz2323 takes their hand to reducing the non-neutral language. They are familiar with the sources and now that the issue has been pointed out perhaps they can improve the article's neutrality. Put more bluntly, I don't think it should be the responsibility of other editors to clean up the mess.

Oblivy (talk) 07:15, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Xie, Qiongxia 谢琼霞 (2014-07-18). "邢瑞鸣一生献给教育事业" [Xing Ruiming dedicated his life to education]. 汕头特区晚报 [Shantou Special Economic Zone Evening News] (in Chinese).
  The article contains 1,336 words about Xing Ruiming. The article notes: "邢瑞鸣，清光绪十四年（1888）出生于揭阳榕城凤围乡一个贫苦的农民家庭。青年时期的邢瑞鸣热爱读书，由于从小接受新思想新文化的影响，思想进步，她坚决反对妇女缠足，并率先垂范。她主张妇女应彻底打破封建礼制的桎梏，走出闺房，走向社会，学文化，学本领，成为一个自食其力、独立自主的人。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming was born into a poor peasant family in Fengwei Township, Rongcheng, Jieyang in the 14th year of Guangxu's reign in the Qing Dynasty (1888). In her youth, Xing Ruiming loved reading. Due to the influence of new ideas and new culture she had received since she was a child, her thoughts were progressive. She firmly opposed women's foot binding and took the lead in setting an example. She advocated that women should completely break the shackles of feudal etiquette, step out of the boudoir, go into society, learn culture and skills, and become a self-reliant, independent person."
  The article notes: "光绪三十一年（1905），邢瑞鸣由基督教会推选到汕头正光女子学校读书，在校期间因品学兼优而被推选为“女宣道会”(即学生会)主席。光绪三十六年（1910）她以优异成绩毕业，回到揭阳。"
  From Google Translate: "In the 31st year of Guangxu (1905), Xing Ruiming was elected by the Christian Church to study at Shantou Zhengguang Women's School. During her time in school, she was elected as the president of the "Female Missionary Association" (i.e. student union) because of her excellent academic performance. In the thirty-sixth year of Guangxu (1910), she graduated with honors and returned to Jieyang."
2. Chen, Chujin 陈楚金 (2014-03-07). "潮汕女子学校之滥觞" [The origin of Chaoshan Girls’ School]. 汕头特区晚报 [Shantou Special Economic Zone Evening News] (in Chinese).
  The article notes: "1908年，受基督教会之托，邢瑞鸣在揭阳北门马牙街开办宗光女校。该校历届学生共有150人，学习科目有国文、数学、历史、地理、圣经等。学校由教会筹资，也只收教徒家女孩为学生。... 1913年，邢瑞鸣在揭阳竹巷内创办静远女校，开始只招20多名女生，办一个班，不到4年，全校就有80多名女学生，连邻近的男孩子也到这里来上学。... 1915年，邢瑞鸣联合揭阳县长周伯初在韩祠路创办揭阳职业女校。"
  From Google Translate: "In 1908, entrusted by the Christian Church, Xing Ruiming opened Zongguang Girls' School in Ma Ya Street, Beimen, Jieyang. There are a total of 150 students in the school, who study subjects such as Chinese, mathematics, history, geography, Bible, etc. The school is funded by the church and only accepts girls from religious families as students. ...In 1913, Xing Ruiming founded Jingyuan Girls' School in Zhuxiang, Jieyang. At first, she only recruited more than 20 girls and ran one class. In less than 4 years, there were more than 80 female students in the whole school, and even the boys nearby Come here to school. ...In 1915, Xing Ruiming and Jieyang County Magistrate Zhou Bochu founded Jieyang Vocational Girls School on Hanci Road."
3. "邢瑞鸣与近代揭阳女子教育" [Xing Ruiming and modern women's education in Jieyang]. 汕头特区晚报 [Shantou Special Economic Zone Evening News] (in Chinese). 2008-04-27.
  The article contains 926 words about Xing Ruiming. The article notes: "1919年以后，邢瑞鸣老师曾先后被聘任为真理女校校长，真理中学校董，县立女子中学教师兼舍监。后来，看到县城女子读书已较为普遍，他又和当时教会中两位同道到农村办短期识字班，教农村妇女识字。在短促三年时间，她深入到潮汕的许多穷乡僻壤，为提高广大农村妇女的知识水平做出了一定的贡献。"
  From Google Translate: "After 1919, Teacher Xing Ruiming was successively appointed as the principal of Zhenzhen Girls’ School, the director of Zhenzhen Middle School, and the teacher and dormitory supervisor of County Girls’ Middle School. Later, seeing that it was more common for women to read in the county, she and two colleagues from the church at that time went to the countryside to run short-term literacy classes to teach rural women how to read. In just three years, she went deep into many remote areas of Chaoshan and made certain contributions to improving the knowledge level of rural women."
4. Cai, Yilong 蔡逸龙 (2021-07-07). "【行走绿廊,感受水城文化之58】静远女校和一位专职女校长的往事" [[Walking on the green corridor, feeling the culture of Shuicheng No. 58] The past of Jingyuan Girls’ School and a full-time female principal]. 揭阳日报 [Jieyang Daily] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-08. Retrieved 2024-04-08.
  The article notes: "邢瑞鸣（1889~1990），女，榕城东郊凤围人。因父亲是基督教徒，她在10岁那年，得以走进进贤门外的竹巷静远轩，成为女子识字班的首批学生。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming (1889~1990), female, was from Fengwei, the eastern suburb of Rongcheng. Because her father was a Christian, she was able to enter Jingyuanxuan in Zhuxiang outside Jinxianmen when she was 10 years old, and became the first batch of students in the girls' literacy class."
  The article notes: "邢瑞鸣生于清末，追求进步，除了学文化外，还剪短发，不缠足。进入民国时期，她生育有4个儿女，全都送进学校接受新文化教育。她的大女儿陈诗辉，18岁大学毕业后返回揭阳，在一所学校当了校长。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming was born in the late Qing Dynasty and pursued progress. In addition to studying culture, he also cut his hair short and did not bind his feet. During the Republic of China, she gave birth to four children, all of whom were sent to school to receive new cultural education. Her eldest daughter Chen Shihui returned to Jieyang after graduating from college at the age of 18 and became the principal of a school."
5. Zhang, Li 张丽 (2018). "女学与社会:多重语境下的近代潮汕女子教育认领" [Women Education and Society: Modern Chaoshan's Women Education in Multiple Contexts]. 《汕头大学学报（人文社会科学版）》 [Journal of Shantou University (Humanities and Social Sciences Edition)] (in Chinese). No. 8. Retrieved 2024-04-08 – via CQVIP [zh].
  The article notes: "1908年 ... 邢瑞鸣受教会委托办宗光女校；1913年 ... 邢瑞鸣办静远女校；1915年吴月珍办枫溪坤范女学堂；1918年邢瑞鸣办揭阳职业女校；... 其中有些女学人的女学实践极为丰富，如 ... 邢瑞鸣先后创办或主办过宗光女校、静远女校、揭阳职业女校等3所女校，兼任过多所学校校长、教师、舍监等职。"
  From Google Translate: "Xing Ruiming was entrusted by the church to set up Zongguang Girls' School; in 1913, ... and Xing Ruiming set up Jingyuan Girls' School; in 1915, Wu Yuezhen set up Fengxi Kunfan Girls' School; in 1918, Xing Ruiming set up Jieyang Vocational Girls' School;... Some of these female scholars have extremely rich practices in female education. For example, ... Xing Ruiming successively founded or hosted three girls' schools, including Zongguang Girls' School, Jingyuan Girls' School, and Jieyang Vocational Girls' School, concurrently serving as principal, teacher, housemaster and other positions in many schools."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Xing Ruiming (simplified Chinese: 邢瑞鸣; traditional Chinese: 邢瑞鳴; pinyin: Xíng Ruìmíng) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Thank you, Ctxz2323 (talk · contribs), for creating this article on your grandmother, who is an important figure in early 20th-century education in Guangdong, China. That Xing Ruiming (1888–1990) is still getting significant coverage in 2008, 2014, 2018, and 2021 strongly establishes that she is notable. You disclosed your conflict of interest on the talk page.
I agree with Oblivy (talk · contribs)'s comments about how to proceed when creating an article when having a conflict of interest. If you encounter a conflict-of-interest situation in the future, I recommend asking for review by making a post in in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women in Red (for articles on women) and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject China (for articles on Chinese topics).
Although the article had neutral point of view issues, the article has been thoroughly cleaned up by Cielquiparle (talk · contribs) (thank you). Cunard (talk) 09:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. You are a great help! Ctxz2323 (talk) 11:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section entitled "Weakness and criticism" has been added to the article. Ctxz2323 (talk) 01:58, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A new section that was removed as unencyclopaedic and non-neutral. That is the whole point of this deletion request. Bedivere (talk) 15:30, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in view of the multiple reliable sources coverage identified by Cunard in this discussion that together shows a pass of WP:GNG, and the fact that coverage has been sustained over a long period, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 18:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per sources identified by Cunard, which help to establish a WP:GNG pass; looks like a couple still need to be added to the article. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. A reminder to the nominator that AFDs are not a way to get an article better sourced. WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. And if you "hate to do this" maybe think twice about what you are doing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Irma Tam Soong

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I hate to do this to someone who clearly has done a lot of good work in their life, but she seems to fail WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. There is practically no news coverage of her beyond WP:NOBITS. She has exactly one notable paper and while that does seem to get a bit of citing, it's probably not enough, as usually need multiple notable publications to be considered notable. Allan Nonymous (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. It appears likely that one or both of her books should be notable, although finding reviews is more difficult for someone who worked before the internet era. FWIW, there's another, earlier, profile of her in the Star Bulletin [2]. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 19:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a good find, maybe one or two more, and she could meet WP:GNG. Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Can someone open this [3] it seems to talk about this person. Oaktree b (talk) 20:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems to be her most notable work, "Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i" it's discussed here [4] and her paper is quoted here :[5]. Oaktree b (talk) 20:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: At the very least, should be mentioned in the Hawaiʻi Chinese History Center article (now a red link). Oaktree b (talk) 20:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This, this, this, this, this and this should be enough for GNG. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 05:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are probably newspaper reviews of her books, but pre-internet - someone with access to US/Hawaii sources could probably find them. I've removed the unnecessary names of the grand- and greatgrandchildren. PamD 07:32, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: sources added after the nomination show a clear case for WP:GNG.Contributor892z (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG and WP:HEY. The sources identified by Somebodyidkfkdt and Russ Woodroofe were particularly helpful – absolute best of the lot included "IRMA TAM SOONG: Historian" in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin in 1990, and "Whither the Chinese History Center?" in the the Honolulu Advertiser in 1974. Soong is discussed and quoted in numerous other newspaper articles, also in California where she was a frequent public speaker as well as a lecturer in Chinese language and literature at Pomona College. In terms of national recognition, Soong received a an award from the American Association for State and Local History in 1975. As noted by Oaktree b above, her most widely cited work is her 1997 article in The Hawaiian Journal of History, titled "Sun Yat-sen's Christian Schooling in Hawai'i", which is quoted in various publications such as Sino-Christian Studies, the Journal of Pacific History, and Chinese America: History and Perspectives. The article now tells a very complete story about the life of Irma Tam Soong, and there are numerous other sources cited in the article now besides. Cielquiparle (talk) 23:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: With the new sources found, we have notability. More than enough for sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 00:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. Excellent work by Cielquiparle. Toughpigs (talk) 01:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: I'm leaning towards keep per WP:HEY. I'm glad to see the new sources, this was what I was hoping might come out of this AfD Allan Nonymous (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Although this article could use some work and more extensive sourcing, I see a consensus to Keep it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhu Wuhua

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Unsourced since 2008. The subject might possibly be notable as a founding member of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, but that assertion appears to be unverifiable. – bradv 16:57, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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- Comment, I would be extremely nervous of deleting this article unless someone with good knowledge of the Chinese academic system in the 20th C is prepared to say he isn't notable. By his dates, his career would have taken place almost entirely before internet. During much of it, contact between the Chinese academic world and the west was very thin. It is likely that most sources talking about him will be on paper, and in Chinese. The Chinese Academy of Sciences is a big thing. We really need expert input on this, not just those of us who cannot see the mid 20th C in China saying "I can't see anything!". Elemimele (talk) 20:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I would be extremely chary of keeping this article if it is neither properly sourced nor its assertions proven. We do not need "expert input" on the basic principles that a biographical article must satisfy the requirements of WP:GNG, and in this case WP:V as well. Until and unless this one does, add me to the Delete column, with no prejudice against recreation should such sources be uncovered in the future. Ravenswing 00:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Keep I did an extremely quick google search on his name and came up with many articles substantiating his career. He was the head (校长) of Jiaotong University, one of the top universities in China. I just added a link describing what can be fairly described as a festschrift for his 65th anniversary of teaching. Per WP:NPROF this should be enough.
  "Neither properly sourced nor its assertions proven" isn't a valid rationale if sources exist. And "unverifiable" simply doesn't hold water. I'm not trying to excuse the fact this article lacks sourcing but per WP:BEFORE this should have been researched prior to bringing an AfD Oblivy (talk) 02:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets WP:NPROF criterion 6 as a former president of Shanghai Jiaotong University. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 02:35, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Its unclear to me whether his relationship to CAS was as a researcher for them (not automatically notable) or as an honorary member of the academy (notable), but it doesn't matter. President of SJTU is enough by itself, as Mx. Granger notes. Incidentally, the same link also gives him a pass of WP:NPOL as a representative in the 3rd National People's Congress. —David Eppstein (talk) 04:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't disagree the wording of WP:NPOL supports this but it would seem a perverse result if nearly 3,000 NPC members (in each term) meet notability! One might think that the NPCSC (currently 175 members) would be a better cutoff. Just a comment as this individual unquestionably passes muster under NPROF. Oblivy (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Germany's Bundestag has 735 members representing a country of 80 million, and evidently they're all presumed notable per NPOL. China's NPC has about four times as many members for a population more than 15 times as large. It's not unreasonable on its face to presume notability for them too. In any case, as you say, it shouldn't affect the result here – maybe something to discuss at WT:China one of these days. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 14:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, it's right, and there should be a limiting factor in terms of press coverage (although even minor members can generate a lot of "warmly greeted by villagers and workers" stories). But 3,000 part-time delegates seems like a truck-size hole in the policy. No evidence it's a problem right now, certainly not for someone this notable. Oblivy (talk) 00:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – meets WP:PROF#C6. Contributor892z (talk) 10:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep (clarifying my comment above, in light of Oblivy and Mx. Granger's work). Also with thanks to Oblivy for explaining our WP:NEXISTS policy, which is also common-sense: when an article currently lacks sourcing, but real-world sources are probably available, it is much more helpful to find them, than to delete. It is, admittedly, often quite hard to search out Chinese names, requiring a bit more expertise and effort than for Westerners. Elemimele (talk) 09:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 00:22, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shi De Yang

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Page has two unsourced sections, proposed deletion was removed with two citations added - these two citations have not satisfied the need for reliable, secondary citations on this page, of which I have previously been unable to find. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 11:48, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. "New Century article". 新世纪 [New Century]. 1995. Retrieved 2024-04-05 – via Google Books.
  The article notes: "释德扬俗名史万峰。 1967 年出生在河南太康县一个干部家庭。童年时期,他的邻居(一个出家少林寺又返俗的老人)经常向他讲起当年身穿大红袈裟,遍游名山大川的游僧生活,并私下向他传授一些少林功夫,使他幼小的心灵充满了当和尚和学习少林武术的向往。 1983 年初中一毕业,他便向父母提出了到少林寺出家的要求。在他软硬磨下,父母亲也只好同意了他的选择。他来到了梦寐以求的少林寺,拜在首座僧素喜禅师门下为徒,成了年龄最小的一名和尚。寺里生活清苦枯燥,处处受到清规戒律的约束不说,光是练功的苦,就让他吃不消。"
  From Google Translate: "Shi Deyang's common name is Shi Wanfeng. Born in 1967 in Taikang County, Henan into a cadre family. During his childhood, his neighbor (an old man who became a monk in the Shaolin Temple and returned to secular life) often told him about the life of a wandering monk who wore red cassocks and traveled to famous mountains and rivers. He also taught him some Shaolin Kungfu privately, which made his young mind Full of yearning to become a monk and learn Shaolin martial arts. After graduating from junior high school in 1983, he asked his parents to become a monk in the Shaolin Temple. After being pushed hard by him, his parents had no choice but to agree to his choice. He came to the Shaolin Temple that he dreamed of and became a disciple under the first monk, Zen Master Suxi, and became the youngest monk. Life in the temple was hard and boring, and not only was he bound by strict rules and regulations, but the hardship of practicing martial arts was too much for him."
2. Zhong, Yulan 钟玉岚 (2015-05-26). "少林功夫大师释德扬西班牙传功讲禅" [Shaolin Kung Fu Master Shi De Yang teaches Kung Fu and Zen in Spain] (in Chinese). Xinhua News Agency. Archived from the original on 2024-04-02. Retrieved 2024-04-02.
  The article notes: "释德扬大师１９６８年出生，１５岁开始习武，是少林功夫第３１代传人，曾担任多年少林寺武僧总教练。释德扬大师的徒弟中，比较为人熟知的当属电影《功夫》中“苦力强”、《叶问》中“武痴林”的扮演者释行宇。"
  From Google Translate: "Master Shi Deyang was born in 1968 and started practicing martial arts at the age of 15. He is the 31st generation successor of Shaolin Kung Fu and has served as the head coach of Shaolin Temple monks for many years. Among Master Shi Deyang's apprentices, the more well-known ones are Shi Xingyu, who played "Coolie Strong" in the movie Kung Fu Hustle and "Wu Chi Lin" in Ip Man."
3. Wu, Bo 吴渤 (2007-09-25). "少林武术总教头自认是功夫本科生(组图)" [The chief Shaolin martial arts instructor considers himself a Kung Fu undergraduate (photo)]. Southern Metropolis Daily (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-04-02. Retrieved 2024-04-02 – via Sina Corporation.
  The article notes: "德扬大师现在是少林寺辈分最高的人，住持的辈分比他还低了两辈。对于有人说释永信是佛门CEO，每天开宝马，用手提电脑，有几个秘书，有大学生提出，这似乎有悖于僧人刻苦修行的形象，而德扬大师回应：“这有什么不可以的。”"
  From Google Translate: "Master Deyang is now the most senior person in Shaolin Temple, and abbot Shi Yongxin is two generations below him. Some college students said that Shi Yongxin is the CEO of Buddhism. He drives a BMW every day, uses a laptop, and has several secretaries. This seems to go against the image of a monk practicing hard. Master Deyang responded: "What's wrong with this?""
4. Pearce, Elisha (2015-09-24). "Shaolin Grand Master lends praise". Penrith City Gazette. Archived from the original on 2024-04-05. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  The article notes: "The Emerald Dragon Martial Arts Academy hosted Grand Master Shi De Yang from the Shaolin Monastery in China — a 1500-year-old temple. He is the 31st Grand Master of the fighting monks and has lived in the monastery since he was nine. Considered the world's finest exponent of Shaolin kung fu, Shi De Yang was in Australia because the centre director, David Greenland, is his student."
5. Welsch, Chris (1996-10-27). "Zen, then and now - Inspired by a childhood love of the TV show 'Kung Fu,' a traveler visits the real Shaolin Temple. Appropriate to the place where Zen began, it's hard to say which is more improbable - the fiction or the reality". Star Tribune. Archived from the original on 2024-04-05. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  The article notes: "On the wall were posters of the monk we had come to see, Shi De Yang. At 28, he is one of the senior monks, in charge of teaching initiates kung fu and Buddhist doctrine. One of the posters shows Shi standing on a mountain top kicking straight up into the air - literally doing the splits vertically, the flat of his foot aimed at the sky, an intense mask of martial resolve on his face. The posters were from performance tours of Japan. He entered the room from his study in the adjoining room. He wore an orange robe that left one of his baroquely muscled shoulders bare. He shook our hands and, signaling for us to wait, disappeared outside. He returned smiling, with three ice-cold bottles of water."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Shi De Yang (simplified Chinese: 释德扬; traditional Chinese: 釋德揚) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:44, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Of the sources provided, the first and third seem to be the only ones appropriate. The first because it's a good resource for his early life and how he came to be a monk and the third because it seems to be a pretty good interview.

The second is more "he was here" than "this is about him" alongside some basic facts, which I suppose would assist the article, the fourth is much the same with less usefulness aside from where he's based (Works? Studies? Please correct me here, I'm genuinely curious) and the fifth more speaks to his character than anything else, alongside being a passing mention in a rather long article.

There are still large swathes of the article that are completely unsourced as of yet, which really is the main concern here. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I already know that you're willing to improve this article, so would you be willing to remove these unsourced sections and replace them with sourced content? You seem to be the best placed to do so. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 12:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - That there are unsourced sections is not something solved via deletion; that is a surmountable problem and AfD is not cleanup. The sources present in the article and presented above show notability that meets WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. - Aoidh (talk) 04:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hong Kong related deletions

Master of Science in Global Finance

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This appears to be one program for one university that does not seem to be notable in itself. Sargdub (talk) 00:25, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Not only is it unsourced, a quick google search reveals it isn't exclusive to one or two university. 104.7.152.180 (talk) 03:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WeLab

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Fails WPNCORP, GNG. Poor and not-independent sources BoraVoro (talk) 06:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Cohan, Peter S. (2018). Startup Cities: Why Only a Few Cities Dominate the Global Startup Scene and What the Rest Should Do About It. New York: Apress. p. 64. ISBN 978-1-4842-3392-4. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Two Hong Kong gazelles are the Uber-for-delivery-vans-service GogoVan and WeLab, which operates a personal lending platform. ... whereas WeLab's ascent appears to have been smoother sailing."
  The book notes: "WeLab's story is less dramatic but another great example of a gazelle becoming a unicorn. Cofounder and CEO Simon Loong started WeLab in 2013 after over 15 years in the banking sector. ... In 2013, he founded WeLab, a mobile lending platform that uses risk-testing technology to conduct credit assessments in seconds and enables customers to borrow money with a few taps of their smartphones. Now valued at more than $1 billion, it was Hong Kong's first tech unicorn and its WeLend leading online lending platform has sourced more than “$154 million in loan applications and 16,000 members.” By January 2016, WeLab had loaned money to 2.5 million customers, the majority in mainland China. That month WeLab raised a $160 million Series B from Khazanah Nasional Berhad, Malaysia's strategic investment fund, with participation from ING Bank and Guangdong Technology Financial Group, which is run by the Chinese government, leading to total funding of $182 million."
2. Leung, Grace L K (2019). Innovative and Creative Industries in Hong Kong: A Global City in China and Asia. Abingdon, Oxon: Routledge. ISBN 978-1-138-06849-0. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "WeLab: founded in 2013, WeLab is reinventing traditional financial services by creating seamless mobile lending experiences. WeLab effectively analyzes unstructured mobile big data within seconds to make credit decisions for individual borrowers. WeLab operates Wolaidai, one of China's leading mobile lending platforms, and WeLend, Hong Kong's leading online lending platform. The company also partners with traditional financial institutions, which utilize WeLab's technology to offer Fintech-enabled solutions to their customers. WeLab did 6 rounds of funding exercises and raised a total of US$425 million. Her investors include CK Hutchison's TOM Group, Malaysian sovereign wealth fund Khazanah Nasional Berhad, ING Bank, Sequoia Capital and Chinese provincial government fund: Guangdong Technology Financial Group. In 2016, WeLab was ranked in a KPMG-sponsored report as one of the top 100 Fintech companies in the world – sixth in China and 33rd globally."
3. Fannin, Rebecca A. (2019). Tech Titans of China: How China’s Tech Sector Is Challenging the World by Innovating Faster, Working Harder & Going Global. London: Nicholas Brealey Publishing. ISBN 978-1-52937-451-3. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.
  The book has a section titled "AI at Work in Fintech: WebLab". The book notes: "An example of AI disrupting traditional banking comes from Hong Kong-based fintech startup WeLab, which provides small consumer loans in an online instant, with fewer than average defaults by relying on AI and data to determine creditworthiness. WeLab technology combs through online data such as bill payment records and social media profiles to figure out which potential borrowers are likely to pay their loans on time. Then it prices and tailors online consumer loans. Consumers complete the entire lending process over their smartphone and don't need an established credit history—an issue among young people starting in their careers. Loan decisions for individual borrowers are made online within seconds. One hint: don't fill out the online form in all capital letters. WeLab has found applicants who write in upper case are not good credit risks. A technology team of more than 210 engineers and data scientists have ..."
4. Mohan, Devie (2020). The Financial Services Guide to Fintech: Driving Banking Innovation Through Effective Partnerships. London: Kogan Page. p. 102. ISBN 978-1-78966-106-4. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "WeLab is a Hong Kong start-up that was founded in 2013, and which became the first peer-to-peer lending platform in the country. WeLab enables users to borrow money as personal loans from other indi- viduals while delivering lower interest rates than traditional banks. WeLab makes this process as easy as possible, with an online application form and relatively short assessment process being the only barriers to accessing credit. One of the fascinating initiatives implemented by WeLab is Wolaidai, a mobile peer-to-peer lending platform for top-tier university students in China. With the founder of WeLab, Simon Loong, having experience in the commercial banking industry at Citibank and Standard Chartered, this fintech solution draws on experts in the traditional financial system, while taking on some of its biggest proponents. We will undoubtedly see more of this in the years to come."
5. Rubini, Agustín (2019). Fintech in a Flash: Financial Technology Made Easy. Boston: De Gruyter. p. 136. ISBN 978-1-5474-1716-2. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.
  The book notes: "Founded in 2013, WeLab is a Hong Kong-based internet finance company that uses exclusive risk management technology to analyze Big Data and offer reliable credit services to individual borrowers in the Asian market. WeLab operates two leading online lending platforms, Wolaidai in China and WeLend in Hong Kong, seeking to offer its customers a seamless mobile lending experience. Furthermore, the company has partnerships with traditional financial institutions, which use WeLab's sophisticated credit risk management tools to use Big Data analytics and offer their customers advanced fintech solutions. In January, WeLab raised $160 million in Series B funding from domestic and international investors, including Khazanah Nasional Berhad wealth fund, ING Bank, and state-owned Guangdong Technology Financial Group (GTFG). This was the first time that funds were raised by a Chinese fintech firm and one of the first times that an international financial institution (ING) financed a leading Chinese fintech player."
6. Less significant coverage:
  1. Lo, John Y. (2016). Angel Financing in Asia Pacific: A Guidebook for Investors and Entrepreneurs. Bingley, West Yorkshire: Emerald Group Publishing. p. 27. ISBN 978-1-78635-128-9. Retrieved 2024-05-27 – via Google Books.
    The book notes: "There appears to be a consensus that the startup scene in Hong Kong has taken a quantum jump in the last five years. A major breakthrough in January 2016 is probably the announcement of the receipt of US$160 million investment in a Series B financing by WeLab. This is a local fintech startup that specializes in peer-to-peer lending technology and operates both in Hong Kong and mainland China. While not publicly disclosed, the valuation of the company has been estimated to be near US$1 billion, qualifying it as the first unicorn24 from Hong Kong."
  2. Gough, Neil (2014-06-16). "Start-Up WeLab Raises $14 Million From Sequoia Capital and Hong Kong Tycoon". The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2023-09-19. Retrieved 2024-05-27.
    The article notes: "WeLab Holdings, an Internet finance start-up in Hong Kong, said on Monday that it had raised $14 million from Li Ka-shing, Asia's richest man, and Sequoia Capital, a stalwart of Silicon Valley."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow WeLab to pass Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which requires "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:09, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On top of the sources found by @Cunard I'd add:

Financial Times article profiling the company. This is an earned media feature article, not an interview.
Forbes with a short market report (which I suspect was leaked by Loong)
Forbes again with a feature on the company. This one is a nice profile but clearly based on an interview with Loong.

Keep This is a major fintech player in Asia Pacific, and although WeLend has its own article this is the parent that also includes Mainland platform Wolaidai as well as a bank in Indonesia I think. There are other bits and pieces out there, at the paragraph scale similar to those found by Cunard, but I think the FT piece along with the Forbes 2022 piece should be enough. Oblivy (talk) 10:23, 27 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Furious

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Fails WP:NFILM and WP:GNG. Does not have sufficient independent significant coverage for a standalone article. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 05:19, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Kenji Tanigaki: There are only two sources which only covered the announcement of this film's production (one from Variety[6] and one from Comingsoon.net [7]). I did a search for Chinese sources, but nothing came up. I don't know Thai, so maybe some other Wikipedians can perform additional searches for Thai sources to see if there are something I have missed. Regardless, the film is unlikely to be unnotable in the future, given the cast and the high budget invested by Edko Films, and it would be mentioned in some other articles (eg, the director and the actors' biography). So a redirect to the director, Kenji Tanigaki, would be more ideal at the moment. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 08:21, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, primary, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth // Timothy :: talk 02:12, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. Lam, Yim-hung 林艷虹 (2022-11-24). "優才（楊殷有娣）書院特色課程培育多元人才" [G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College's special courses cultivate diverse talents]. Hong Kong Economic Journal (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "優才（楊殷有娣）書院（下稱優才）為直資一條龍學校，小學初小部（小一至小三）位於旺角校舍，高小部（小四至小六）及中學部（中一至中六）則設於將軍澳校舍。 ... 值得一提的是，優才以推動資優教育見稱，校名英文縮寫G.T.，G代表Gifted，即與生俱來的天賦；T是Talent，表示每一個小朋友都有獨特才華，因此提供多元特色課程來培育孩子。"
  From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (hereinafter referred to as G.T.) is a one-stop school under the Direct Subsidy Scheme. The lower primary section (Primary 1 to Primary 3) is located in the Mong Kok campus, the upper primary section (Primary 4 to Primary 6) and the secondary section (Secondary 1 to 6 ) is located at the Tseung Kwan O campus. ... It is worth mentioning that Youcai is well-known for promoting gifted education. The English abbreviation of the school name is G.T., G stands for Gifted, which is innate talent; T stands for Talent, which means that every child has unique talents, so it provides diverse Special courses to nurture children."
2. Hui, Lok-hang 許珞珩; Cheung, Wai-ting 張瑋婷 (2022-10-24). "升小備戰｜直資優才(楊殷有娣)書院小學部　5層架構推動資優教育" [Preparing for primary school entrance｜Directly gifted G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College 5-tier structure promotes gifted education] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "優才（楊殷有娣）書院小學部共有兩個校舍，小一至小三的初小部校舍位於旺角洗衣街，高小與中學部則共用將軍澳調景嶺嶺光街校舍。學校由天才教育協會會長李業富教授於1996年創辦，多年來均實行小班教學及分組學習形式，老師會按學生的能力及長處分成小組，每班6組、每組約4人，不同科目也採用此形式上課。"
  From Google Translate: "The primary school of G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College has two school buildings. The junior school building for primary one to primary three is located on Sai Yee Street, Mong Kok. The upper primary school and the secondary school share the Ling Kwong Street school building, Tiu Keng Leng, Tseung Kwan O. The school was founded in 1996 by Professor Li Yipfu, President of the Gifted Education Association. For many years, it has implemented small class teaching and group learning. Teachers will divide students into groups according to their abilities and strengths. Each class has 6 groups with about 4 people in each group. Different subjects are also included in the school. Take this class."
3. Hui, Melody (2023-05-09). "優才小學5.13開始報名校長分享3大面試貼士小朋友有一個特質最重要" [G.T. Primary School starts registration on May 13. The principal shares 3 interview tips. There is one trait that is most important for children.]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "直資一條龍小學優才（楊殷有娣）書院小學部每年吸引超過3,000人報讀小一，學校推行獨特的教學模式，及深受家長喜歡小班教學，以每級5班、每班不超過26人，每年提供約130個小一學位，平均27人爭1學位，競爭非常激烈。本周六（13日）為2024／25年度小一報名日期，陳偉傑校長回覆記者查詢時，分享學校的教學特式、面試貼士及模式。優才最吸引家長的其中一個原因是一條龍學校，逾九成學生直升中一，而中學部同時開辦中學文憑試（DSE）及國際預科文憑（IB）雙軌課程，小學學生在無需面對升中選校的壓力下，可充分享受校園學習生活。"
  From Google Translate: "The primary section of the DSS one-stop primary school Youcai (Yang Yin Youdi) College attracts more than 3,000 students to apply for primary one every year. The school implements a unique teaching model and is well received by parents for its small class teaching. There are 5 classes per level and no more than 26 students per class. There are about 130 primary one places available every year, and an average of 27 people compete for one place. The competition is very fierce. This Saturday (13th) is the registration date for Primary One students in 2024/25. When responding to reporters’ inquiries, Principal Chen Weijie shared the school’s teaching style, interview tips and models. One of the reasons why Youcai is most attractive to parents is that it is a one-stop school, with more than 90% of students going directly to Form 1. The secondary school also offers dual-track courses of Diploma of Secondary Education (DSE) and International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB), so primary school students do not have to face Under the pressure of choosing a school for high school, you can fully enjoy campus study life."
4. Chan, Yik-chiu 陳奕釗. "香港學校｜優才(楊殷有娣)書院壓縮正統課程特色教學培育優秀學生" [Hong Kong School｜G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College compresses the orthodox curriculum and cultivates outstanding students with unique teaching]. am730 (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "優才(楊殷有娣)書院特別注重兩文三語、語文能力及溝通技巧。學校不單實行普教中，更讓學生學習法文、韓文、日文、意大利文及西班牙文等第三語言。... 成績方面，學校前年出了3位IB狀元，在全球3,500所IB高中學校中名列第11，香港則排名第3。2023年該校學生IB成績亦不俗：有一個45分狀元、兩個44分榜眼。而本屆69位畢業生中，該校有86%同學在Jupas獲得好成績，能入讀心儀大學及課程，"
  From Google Translate: "G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College pays special attention to biliteracy, trilingualism, language proficiency and communication skills. The school not only provides general education, but also allows students to learn third languages such as French, Korean, Japanese, Italian and Spanish. ... In terms of results, the school produced three IB top scorers the year before last, ranking 11th among 3,500 IB high schools in the world, and Hong Kong ranked third. The IB results of the school's students in 2023 are also good: there is one top scorer with a score of 45, two top scorers Second place with 44 points. Among the 69 graduates this year, 86% of the school’s students obtained good results in Jupas and were able to enter the university and course of their choice."
5. "Direct Subsidy Scheme Schools". South China Morning Post. 2009-06-13. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "Founded in 1997 as a private school and turned DSS in 2002. Merged with Chi Kit School in 2004. Multiple intelligence approach emphasising creativity, self-esteem and social responsibility. Class size: Primary 24; Secondary 24-26. School-based and activity-based curriculum. Over 50 talent classes, run by part-time tutors in small groups, offered twice a week as part of the curriculum. Regular visits to museums and other places of interest. Enhancement for gifted children. Secondary curriculum will lead to HKCEE, HKALE, and other public benchmark tests, IB Diploma may be offered in 2009. Medium of instruction: Primary: Cantonese, with English taught by native speakers. Secondary: English, except Chinese and Chinese history."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College (traditional Chinese: 優才（楊殷有娣）書院; simplified Chinese: 优才（杨殷有娣）书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:30, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability. // Timothy :: talk 12:29, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not find any evidence of the sources being "based on the same info/source" since they discuss different aspects of the school. WP:SIRS is part of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, a non-profit educational institution like G.T. (Ellen Yeung) College needs to meet only Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which this school does. Cunard (talk) 08:33, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Cunard's sources. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hong Kong Chinese Christian Union Logos Academy

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Fails GNG and NORG. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are listings, name mentions, routine mill news, nothing that meets WP:SIRS, addressing the subject directly and indepth // Timothy :: talk 02:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep and rename to Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, which says:
All universities, colleges and schools, including high schools, middle schools, primary (elementary) schools, and schools that only provide a support to mainstream education must either satisfy the notability guidelines for organizations, the general notability guideline, or both. For-profit educational organizations and institutions are considered commercial organizations and must satisfy those criteria. (See also WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES)
Sources
1. Lin, Zhong 林钟; Deng, Shaobing 邓少冰 (2014). "走进香港真道书院小学" [Visit Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy]. 七彩语文（习作） [Colourful Language (Exercises)] (in Chinese). No. 10. East China Normal University. ISSN 1673-4998. Retrieved 2024-05-15 – via CQVIP [zh].
  Colourful Language (Exercises) is a magazine published by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University. According to this description from Google Translate, "Colourful Language (Exercises) was officially launched in January 2015, with academic guidance provided by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University. The magazine is closely linked to the reform of basic education curriculum and strives to provide suitable resources and platforms for middle school Chinese teachers to meet the needs of teachers for daily teaching and improvement of professional qualities."
  The abstract notes: "本期的＂大眼睛看世界＂,小编将和大家一起走进香港一所名校——香港华人基督教联会真道书院。真道书院位于香港调景岭湾畔,学校分小学和中学部,与其他学校不同,真道书院学生没有统一的校服。小学部学生在中文课上使用的是内地出版的小学语文课本,他们觉得教材文字优美,内容包含了古今中外的文化特色,和浓厚的道德教育元素，很符合小学语文教育的需要。"
  From Google Translate: "In this issue of "Seeing the World with Big Eyes", the editor will go with you to a famous school in Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Union Logos Academy is located on the shores of Tiu Keng Ling Bay in Hong Kong. The school is divided into primary and secondary schools. Unlike other schools, students at Union Logos Academy do not have uniforms. Students in the primary school use primary school Chinese textbooks published in the Mainland in their Chinese classes. They feel that the textbooks are beautifully written, contain cultural characteristics of ancient and modern times, Chinese and foreign cultures, and have strong moral education elements, which are in line with the needs of primary school Chinese education. ... In the first two years of elementary school, Union Logos Academy expects students to lay a solid foundation of knowledge and learn self-care, self-study and self-reflection skills. The school focuses on constructing a school-based curriculum and uses some Chinese and art textbooks from the Mainland."
2. Lok, Irene (2015-05-11). "將軍澳一條龍直資香港華人基督教聯會真道書院中小學" [Tseung Kwan O One-stop Direct Subsidy Scheme. Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Primary and Secondary Schools]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-24. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  Lok, Irene (2015-05-11). "將軍澳一條龍直資香港華人基督教聯會真道書院中小學" [Tseung Kwan O One-stop Direct Subsidy Scheme. Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy. Primary and Secondary Schools]. Sunday Kiss (in Chinese). New Media Group [zh]. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "2002年創校的真道年資較其他直資學校淺，被定為新派直資學校，卻是全港唯一採用「十一年一貫」課程模式的學校，分兩年基礎階段、五年拓展階段及四年通達階段，以十一年完成小學及中學課程。 ... 在小學首兩年基礎階段，真道期望學生打穩知識基礎，學好自理、自學及自省能力。學校着力建構校本課程，採用部分內地中文及美術科教材"
  From Google Translate: "Founded in 2002, Union Logos Academy has a younger school years than other DSS schools and is designated as a new DSS school. However, it is the only school in Hong Kong that adopts the "11-year consistent" curriculum model, which is divided into two years of basic stage and five years of expansion stage. and the four-year mastery stage, which takes eleven years to complete the primary and secondary school courses. ... In the first two years of elementary school, Union Logos Academy expects students to lay a solid foundation of knowledge and learn self-care, self-study and self-reflection skills. The school focuses on constructing school-based curriculum and adopts some mainland Chinese and art textbooks."
3. A, Yin 阿言 (2024-02-01). "專訪｜香港華人基督教聯會真道書院多元體驗式學習培育未來領袖" [Exclusive Interview｜Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy's diversified experiential learning cultivates future leaders] (in Chinese). HK01. Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "學校著重學生全方位發展，學生從小學便培育體、美特質，提供多項興趣班予學生選擇，如跳繩、跆拳道、琵琶及烏克麗麗等。另外，為培養學生閱讀習慣，自小學階段設有閱讀時間，同學在操場集合一同閱讀，從小學階段養成自己探索知識的習慣。中學則設有 DEAR Time（Drop Everything And Read），讓學生暫時放下功課及其他事務，專心閱讀。學校更會舉辦不同活動，如閱讀馬拉松、圖書日、書展等讓同學接觸不同類型的書籍，鼓勵學生閱讀。"
  From Google Translate: "The school focuses on the all-round development of students. Students develop physical and aesthetic qualities from elementary school, and provides students with a variety of interest classes to choose from, such as rope skipping, taekwondo, pipa and ukulele. In addition, in order to cultivate students' reading habits, reading time is set up from the primary school level. Students gather in the playground to read together, and develop the habit of exploring knowledge by themselves from the primary school level. Middle schools have DEAR Time (Drop Everything And Read), which allows students to temporarily put aside their homework and other matters and concentrate on reading. The school also organizes different activities, such as reading marathons, book days, book fairs, etc., to expose students to different types of books and encourage students to read."
4. Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2021-06-02). "【直資中學】一條龍11年完成小學中學課程　真道書院雙軌制曾出產IB狀元" [[Direct Subsidy Scheme Secondary School] One-stop primary school and middle school courses completed in 11 years. Union Logos Academy’s dual-track system has produced IB top scorers]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "位於將軍澳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院屬中小學直資一條龍學校，也是全港唯一以11年完成小學及中學課程的學校。真道書院既提供中學文憑試課程（DSE），同時開辦國際文憑課程（IB），學生在公開試成績優異，過去亦曾誕生IB狀元。"
  From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O is a one-stop school under direct subsidy for primary and secondary schools. It is also the only school in Hong Kong that completes primary and secondary school courses in 11 years. Union Logos Academy not only provides the Diploma of Secondary Education Examination (DSE) course, but also offers the International Baccalaureate Diploma (IB) course. Students have achieved excellent results in public examinations, and IB top scorers have also been born in the past."
5. Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2023-10-10). "直私面試丨直資真道書院2023年小一面試題目老師話+傳豆袋考小朋友反應" [Direct Private Interview丨Direct Subscription Union Logos Academy Primary One Interview Questions 2023 Teacher’s Words + Bean Bag Test Children's Responses]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-24. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  Wong, Ming-fong 王明芳 (2023-10-10). "直私面試丨直資真道書院2023年小一面試題目老師話+傳豆袋考小朋友反應" [Direct Private Interview丨Direct Subscription Union Logos Academy Primary One Interview Questions 2023 Teacher’s Words + Bean Bag Test Children's Responses]. Hong Kong Economic Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2024-05-15. Retrieved 2024-05-15.
  The article notes: "位於將軍澳區直資學校的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，即提供本地文憑試（DSE）課程，同時開辦國際文憑（IB）課程，多年來深受家長歡迎。真道書院小一面試有兩輪，第一輪是小朋友自行面試，若成功通過會進入第二輪面試，家長也會獲邀出席，TOPick邀請了為女兒報考7間直私小學的港媽梁太，拆解真道書院小一面試第一階段考核的内容。"
  From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, located in the direct subsidy school in Tseung Kwan O District, provides local Diploma Examination (DSE) courses and also offers International Baccalaureate (IB) courses. It has been popular among parents for many years. There are two rounds of primary one interviews at Union Logos Academy. The first round is for children to interview on their own. If they successfully pass, they will enter the second round of interviews. Parents will also be invited to attend. TOPick invited Mrs. Leung, a mother from Hong Kong who applied for her daughter to seven direct private primary schools to dismante the contents of the first stage of the primary school interview at Union Logos Academy."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy (traditional Chinese: 香港華人基督教聯會真道書院; simplified Chinese: 香港华人基督教联会真道书院)) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article should be renamed to Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy (add the word "Churches" after "Christian" and before "Union") to match the name on the website. Cunard (talk) 09:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reply, promo, interviews, all obviously based on the same info/source, nothing above show WP:SIRS or notability, they just show marketing at work. Nothing wrong with promotion, but it doesn't equal notability. // Timothy :: talk 12:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did not find any evidence of the sources being "based on the same info/source" since they discuss different aspects of the school. WP:SIRS is part of Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). According to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Schools, a non-profit educational institution like Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy needs to meet only Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which this school does. Cunard (talk) 08:34, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment These sources aren't doing what they're purported to be. Source 1 appears to be the equivalent of a WP:TRADES publication. Sources 2, 4 and 5 are brief listings of multiple school options, no significant coverage. (Moreover, 4 and 5 are on the Hong Kong Economic Times' "TOPick" subsite, which appears to be a advertorial Daily Mail-style infotainment site, not a reliable source.) Source 3 is described as an "interview," which is a primary source and thus not eligible to validate notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The first source, a magazine published by the Chinese Education Research Center of East China Normal University, is not equivalent to a WP:TRADES publication. It is an academic magazine, not a trade magazine. For the second source, I linked to the wrong article because when scrolling to the bottom of the article, the website changes the URL to the next article. I've fixed the link. The incorrect link did not mention the school. The updated link is a full article about the school.
The third source contains sufficient non-interview content to amount to significant coverage. The fourth source discusses other schools but provides significant coverage of this school. Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline says, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material."
For the fifth source, I linked to the wrong article for the same reason discussed above. I've fixed the link. The fifth article is about the school's interview process and is significant coverage.
I consider TOPick to be a reliable source. According to this information from a Telum panel discussion with the Hong Kong Economic Times Group about TOPick:
Editorial team
Around 30 journalists and editors, each contributing five stories daily.
An independent editorial and video team oversees each sector.
Editorial focus
80 per cent on parenting and health, 20 per cent on entertainment, celebrity and lifestyle.
Parenting: general parenting news and education information through a section called 「Band 1 學堂」, which features information on kindergarten, primary and secondary school, elite education and overseas study.
The publication has journalists, editors, and an independent editorial team. It is not an "advertorial" site. It aims to inform its readers about parenting and education topics. Cunard (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:03, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. See my comments on the sources above; I do not believe they are sufficiently reliable nor offer enough significant coverage to meet GNG or NORG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:28, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- All five sources provide significant coverage. For two of the sources, I linked to the wrong pages owing to how the website changes the URL to the next article when scrolling to the bottom of the current article. I've fixed the links. Cunard (talk) 08:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I reviewed the new links and stand by my assessment. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per Dclemens1971 assessment. I don't believe the additional sources found help with notability. LibStar (talk) 03:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I am surprised that reliable sources from a Chinese academic journal and Hong Kong newspapers are considered insufficient to establish notability. Sources likely these previously have been sufficient to establish notability for schools, which must meet only Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline and not Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria, which "establishes generally higher requirements for sources that are used to establish notability than for sources that are allowed as acceptable references within an article".
An alternative to deletion is to merge to Tiu Keng Leng#Education, where this school is located. School articles should be merged, not deleted, when there is a suitable alternative to deletion.
A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow editors to selectively merge any content that can be reliably sourced to the target article. A redirect with the history preserved under the redirect will allow the redirect to be undone if significant coverage in reliable sources is found in the future.
Cunard (talk) 03:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So are you now !voting for merge not keep? LibStar (talk) 03:33, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My first choice is a keep. My second choice is a merge if consensus is against a standalone article. The five sources I've listed were found through a Google search. Since editors consider them insufficient to establish notability, I will do a more exhaustive search for print sources. These are sources that cannot be found in a Google search. It takes a lot more time to do this exhaustive search, so I usually do the Google search approach first.
The first source I found casts an unflattering light on the school as it says that 20% of the teachers resigned owing to being overworked. Here is the source:
"真道書院9教師呈辭" [9 teachers from Union Logos Academy resign]. The Sun (in Chinese). 2005-08-04. p. A12.
The article notes: "在電視節目《殘酷一叮》三連霸的「莫生」莫凱謙現正就讀的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，今年將有五分一教師共九人離職，有教師指離職原因是因為工作辛苦。"
From Google Translate: "One-fifth of the teachers from Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, where Mok Kai-him, who won three consecutive championships in the TV program "Cruel One", is currently studying, will resign this year. Some teachers said that the reason for resigning was because of the hard work."
The article notes: "○二年創校的真道書院是一間直資一條龍學校，中小學共用約五十名教師，當中有近兩成共九名教師，在今學年完結後離任。"
From Google Translate: "Founded in 2002, Union Logos Academy is a direct subsidy one-stop school with a total of about 50 teachers in primary and secondary schools. Among them, nearly 20%, a total of nine teachers, resigned after the end of this school year."
I will keep searching for sources and when I'm done, I will post the rest of the sources here. I will do this within the next few hours. Cunard (talk) 04:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I explained above why I didn't search for these sources earlier. I have found numerous additional sources about the school. I omitted the numerous positive articles and have focused on the negative articles since there were concerns earlier about the sources being "marketing" or "promotion". I think these sources should be sufficient to establish notability. If they are not, I could continue my search for sources since these are only some of the hundreds of results about the school that I found. Here are the additional sources.

The Sun article about 20% of the school's teachers resigning for being overworked 2005

Articles about the school's primary school students being disallowed in 2008 from participating in a competition because of how its academic system is different from other schools':

Sources

Chen, Qiuxia 陳秋霞 (2008-02-25). "真道小六生列學生參賽學體會評級方式惹非議" [Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy Primary 6 students participate in the competition, and the learning experience grading method has attracted criticism]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). p. A9.
The article notes: "西貢區的香港華人基督教聯會真道學院第六年辦學，一直採用「兩年基礎階段+五年拓展階段+四年通達階段」的十一年中小學一條龍教學制度，不同於現行「六年小學+五年中學”十一年中小學教育。若依年齡劃分，現時真道二百二十一位就讀「拓階四」的學生是傳統的「小六生」，不過該階段學生接受政府中學資助，○七/○八年中學概覽內也劃分他們為「中一生」。"
From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Council Zhendao College in Sai Kung District is in its sixth year of operation. It has been using an eleven-year one-stop teaching system for primary and secondary schools of "two years of basic stage + five years of expansion stage + four years of mastery stage", which is different from the current "six-year" "Primary school + five years of secondary school" eleven years of primary and secondary education. If divided by age, the current 221 students of Zhendao who are studying in "Top Level 4" are traditional "Primary 6 students". However, students at this stage receive government secondary school subsidies and are also classified in the 2007/08 Secondary School Profile. They are "middle life"."
"真道「小學生」被禁參賽風波" [Controversy over Logos Academy's "primary school students" being banned from participating in the competition]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2008-02-26. p. F1.
The article notes: "以十一年中小學學制為賣點的將軍澳香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，想不到其與別不同的學制，引起一場小學生停賽風波。第六年在該校就讀的拓展階段四年級(DS4)學生，尷尬地處於中小學的中間點，學界體育聯會西貢區小學分會認為，DS4學生既接受中學資助，應被界定為中學生，故此禁止參加本學年剩餘的小學際與區際比賽。"
From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O, which sells its eleven-year primary and secondary education system, unexpectedly caused a controversy among primary school students due to its different academic system. The expansion stage fourth grade (DS4) students who study in the school for the sixth year are awkwardly in the middle point between primary and secondary schools. The Sai Kung District Primary School Branch of the School Sports Federation believes that DS4 students should be defined as secondary school students since they receive secondary school subsidies. They are prohibited from participating in inter-elementary and inter-district competitions for the remainder of the school year."
"直資校參加學界賽腰斬" [DSS schools lose half of their participation in school competition]. Oriental Daily (in Chinese). 2008-02-25. p. A20.
The article notes: "本港學制日益多元化，不再局限於傳統中小學之分，惟學界體育比賽制度僵化，繼續以中小學劃分，令到一間直資名校的近百名十一歲學生，因其所讀的課程等同於中學課程，被拒與傳統學制同樣十一歲的小六學生比賽，學生參賽資格即時被腰斬，學子無辜，慘成官僚制度下，政治鬥爭的犧牲品。"
From Google Translate: "Hong Kong’s academic system is increasingly diversified and is no longer limited to traditional primary and secondary schools. However, the school sports competition system is rigid and continues to be divided into primary and secondary schools. This has caused nearly a hundred 11-year-old students from a prestigious direct subsidy school to be divided. The courses he studied were equivalent to middle school courses, and he was refused to compete with the 11-year-old Primary 6 students in the traditional school system. The student's qualifications were immediately cut in half. The innocent student became a victim of political struggles under the bureaucracy."

The school was harshly criticised in 2010 by Hong Kong's Audit Commission for administrative misconduct regarding property purchases and tuition fees. This led to hearings by the Legislative Council Accounts Committee. It led to at least one hundred articles covering the fallout which spanned at least several months. Here are a few of those sources:

Sources

"德信售校章利潤1.5倍教局六方面跟進監察直資校" [Dexin's profit from selling school seals is 1.5 times. Education Bureau follows up on six aspects to monitor DSS schools]. Ta Kung Pao (in Chinese). 2010-12-21. p. A7.
The article notes: "立法會帳目委員會昨天就直資學校的監管舉行最後一場聆訊，重點討論三所直資學校的違規行徑，包括運用七千萬元投資的德望學校、用一千萬元購買三個該物業的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，"
From Google Translate: "The Legislative Council Accounts Committee held the last hearing on the supervision of DSS schools yesterday, focusing on the irregularities of three DSS schools, including the Good Hope School, which used HK$70 million of investment, the Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which used HK$10 million to purchase three properties ..."
The article notes: "議員何秀蘭質疑，真道書院有否將盈餘儲備作投資或購買物業，減少學校現金流，以用作申請加學費理由。教育局首席助理秘書長李煜輝表示，該校○八╱○九及○九╱一○兩學年均有加費，但局方發現於○九年八月三十一日的現金流有七千多萬元，連同物業和基金股票等，已超過局方規定的儲備上限，由於盈餘過高，局方已拒絕其一○╱一一學年加學費的申請。局方稱，核准學校加費不單是考慮學校現金流，亦有其他因素。局長孫明揚補充，校方加費須得到家長同意，校方亦要遞交發展計劃，由局方釐定學校是否可以存有大量盈餘。"
From Google Translate: "Councillor Cyd Ho questioned whether Logos Academy had used its surplus reserves for investment or property purchases to reduce the school’s cash flow, which could be used as a reason to apply for a tuition increase. Li Yuhui, Chief Assistant Secretary of the Education Bureau, said that the school had increased fees in both the 2008/2009 and 2009/2010 academic years, but the bureau found that the cash flow on August 31, 2009 was more than 70 million yuan, together with properties and fund stocks, which exceeded the reserve limit stipulated by the bureau. Due to the excessive surplus, the bureau has rejected its application for a tuition increase in the 2010/2011 academic year. The bureau said that approving a school to increase fees is not only based on the school's cash flow, but also on other factors. Secretary Sun Mingyang added that the school must obtain the consent of parents to increase fees, and the school must also submit a development plan, and the bureau will determine whether the school can have a large surplus."
"真道放寬學費減免收入限制" [Logos Academy relaxes income limit for tuition exemption]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-12-20. p. A12.
The article notes: "上月審計報告重點審查的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，被揭發擁有1900 萬盈餘但學費減免條件嚴苛，又以個人名義購置單位作教師宿舍。真道學院近日已作多方改善，昨日3 名校董連同校長，與400 名家長會面，提出5項措施回應，包括放寬申請家庭的學費減免收入限制，鼓勵清貧學生報讀。"
From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was the focus of last month’s audit report, was revealed to have a surplus of HK$19 million but had strict conditions for tuition exemptions and purchased units in individual names as teachers’ dormitories. Logos Academy has made many improvements in recent days. Yesterday, three school directors and the principal met with 400 parents and proposed five measures in response, including relaxing the income limit for tuition exemptions for applying families and encouraging poor students to apply."
"真道書院開家長會跟進審計報告指控" [Logos Academy held a parent meeting to follow up on the accusations in the audit report]. Wen Wei Po (in Chinese). 2010-12-20. p. A26.
The article notes: "遭審計報告羅列多宗「罪行」的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，昨天下午舉行家長會。該校多名校董出席，與約400名家長會面。"
From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was hit with numerous “crimes” in the audit report, held a parents’ meeting yesterday afternoon. Many school directors attended and met with about 400 parents."
"真道書院聘會計師核賬" [Logos Academy hires accountants to audit accounts]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). 2010-12-20. p. A14.
The article notes: "於直資審計風暴中屢被批評多項行政失當的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，昨日再召開家長會，安排校董會向家長講解事件最新進展。校監陸幸泉提出多項措施「補鑊」，包括聘請羅兵咸會計師重新檢視學校帳目、釐定學校採購政策競價投標準則等，以個人名義購買的一間村屋及居屋亦將作物業轉名事宜。"
From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which has been repeatedly criticised for multiple administrative misconducts during the direct subsidy audit storm, held another parent meeting yesterday and arranged for the school board to explain the latest developments of the incident to parents. School Superintendent Luk Xingquan proposed a number of measures to "make up for the wok", including hiring accountants Luo Bingham to re-examine the school's accounts, determining the school's procurement policy and bidding criteria, etc."
"真道近2000萬助學金未批出教局反對用作添設備必要時接管學校" [Logos Academy's nearly 20 million scholarships have not been approved. The Education Bureau objects to using them to add equipment and take over the school if necessary.]. Ming Pao (in Chinese). 2010-12-01. p. A4.
The article notes: "於直資學校「審計風暴」中被重點查帳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，已被教育局書面警告須及時糾正違規買物業及助學金儲備使用率低等問題。... 接近政府的消息稱，教育局認為學費減免是為有經濟需要的學生而設，不認同用作添置設備；局方會留意校方最終如何落實改善違規工作，若成效不彰，便會由教育局常任秘書長派員進駐學校管理委員會接手校政。"
From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was the focus of audits in the "audit storm" of direct subsidy school schools, has been given a written warning by the Education Bureau to promptly correct problems such as illegal property purchases and low utilisation of bursary reserves. ... Sources close to the government said that the Education Bureau believes that the tuition fee reduction is for students with financial needs and does not agree that it will be used to purchase equipment. The Bureau will pay attention to how the school ultimately implements the improvement of violations. If the results are not effective, the Education Bureau's permanent secretary-general will dispatch personnel to the school management committee to take over school administration."
Ni, Qingjiang 倪清江; Xia, Zhili 夏志禮 (2010-11-27). "最後通牒即將到期校監校長拒轉業權　教局擬進駐真道校董會" [The ultimatum is about to expire. The school supervisor and principal refuse to transfer ownership. The Education Bureau plans to join the Logos Academy Board of Directors.]. Apple Daily (in Chinese). p. A5.
The article notes: "被審計署揭23宗罪的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，挪用1,000萬元非政府資金購置3項物業，業權卻是校監和校長。教育局原來早已知悉，多番促請他們將業權轉回校方，但不獲理會，早前發出最後通牒，日內到期。若真道繼續當教育局無到，局方將派人進駐該校校董會，情形有如去年撤銷辦學權的臻美黃幹亨小學暨國中學校的翻版。"
From Google Translate: "Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy, which was exposed by the Audit Office for 23 crimes, misappropriated HK$10 million of non-governmental funds to purchase three properties, but the ownership was owned by the school supervisor and principal. It turned out that the Education Bureau had known about it for a long time and had repeatedly urged them to transfer the ownership back to the school, but was ignored. It had earlier issued an ultimatum that would expire within a few days. If Logos Academy continues to be in charge of the Education Bureau and there is no one, the Bureau will send people to the school board of directors, and the situation will be a replica of the Zhenmei Huangqianheng Primary School and Junior High School that revoked its schooling rights last year."

"自辦刊物" [Self-organised publications]. Sing Tao Daily (in Chinese). 2010-07-06. p. E6.
The column says at the bottom that it was written by the Sing Tao Daily editor-in-chief.
The column notes: "位於將軍澳的香港華人基督教聯會真道書院，是近年區內成立的直資中學，該校就辦了一本名為《真道人》(見圖)的刊物，介紹學校的理念和發展，至今已經出版了兩期。真道書院出版這本《真道人》，以一本機構刊物來說，可以說不簡單，新一期的內容除了由校長講解學校取得的國際認證AdvancED外，還有其他親子專題、閱讀版等，從內容、版面設計到紙質，都顯示投入了相當的資源。從刊物的製作班底看，除了校內老師班底，還有資深教育新聞從業員郭玉蘭參與，難怪專題報道形式和深度相當接近傳媒。"
From Google Translate: "The Hong Kong Chinese Christian Churches Union Logos Academy in Tseung Kwan O is a direct subsidy secondary school established in the district in recent years. The school has published a publication called "Logos People" (see picture) to introduce the school's philosophy and development. So far, it has two issues were published. Logos Academy publishes "Logos People", which is not simple for an institutional publication. In addition to the principal explaining the international certification AdvanceED obtained by the school, the new issue also includes other parent-child topics, reading editions, etc. From the content, layout design to paper quality, it shows that considerable resources have been invested. Judging from the publication's production team, in addition to the school's teacher team, Guo Yulan, a senior education news practitioner, is also involved. No wonder the format and depth of the special report are quite similar to those of the media."

Cunard (talk) 06:08, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The additional sources provided by Cunard are sufficient to meet NSCHOOL, in addition there is more coverage where the school involved in a scandal where a member of leadership made a controversial statement regarding the 2019 protests, example article: [8]. Jumpytoo Talk 09:43, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The article about another controversy involving the school is a good find, thank you, Jumpytoo (talk · contribs)! Cunard (talk) 10:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, seems to meet GNG per the many sources above. —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 03:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Cunard's sourcing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete insuffient coverage.--Wish for Good (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prob delete - I'm not seeing RS. It is possible they exist in languages I don't read but if that's the case I encourage !keep voters to bring sources to the discussion. JMWt (talk) 08:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per DCsansei and JTtheOG. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 10:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taiwan related deletions

Wun-Chang Shih

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Fails WP:NSKATE; bronze/silver medals at the national championships do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. No international medal placements at all. Google search turns up nothing outside of wikis and scoring databases. PROD removed without explanation. Bgsu98 (Talk) 11:23, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Plenty of Chinese sources with SIGCOV (eg, Liberty Times[9], [10], Central News Agency [11], My Formosa [zh][12]). His coaching career has also received media coverage (eg, TVBS News[13], Mirror Media[14], Central News Agency[15], [16]) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 09:17, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tatsuya Tanaka (figure skater)

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Fails WP:NSKATE; medal placement at the junior level or bronze/silver medals at the senior-level national championships explicitly do not meet the requirements of WP:NSKATE. PROD removed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 02:49, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This user has nominated 49 different figure skaters for deletion within approximately 30 mins which leaves me doubting that a WP:BEFORE search has been conducted, let alone one that includes native language sources. DCsansei (talk) 12:58, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: As stated in the nomination, these were all PRODs that were deprodded in rapid succession. My work on these nominations took place before the PROD, not last night when I sent them to AFD. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:18, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural keep -- Nominator regularly bypasses WP:BEFORE searches. JTtheOG (talk) 17:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator comment: You're the one who de-prodded all of my nominations, so you don't get to complain now that they're at AFD, which is where nominations go when the PROD has been removed. Add to that your bad faith aspersions. A disagreement as to what qualifies as "significant coverage" is not evidence of bypassing anything. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:17, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete insuffient coverage.--Wish for Good (talk) 04:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Prob delete - I'm not seeing RS. It is possible they exist in languages I don't read but if that's the case I encourage !keep voters to bring sources to the discussion. JMWt (talk) 08:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per DCsansei and JTtheOG. 58.152.55.172 (talk) 10:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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