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Source Question

Thanks for adding ethnicity facts to so many county articles - can you please provide citations for what you add? Thanks, Ruhrfisch 00:58, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the detailed reply. I saw your change to Lancaster County, Pennsylvania and the Population section there has 8 or 9 references, which makes assumptions about your source somewhat confusing. I realize you didn't write it, but the sentence before your new one starts with "According to the US Census", but the ref cited at the end of the sentence before yours is to the MLA. When I looked at the reference to the Quick Facts here I didn't see the info you provided there (although I don't doubt that it is there). Long story short, it is always safe to cite (and please ask if you need help with citing). I would definitely cite the specific source (not just Census Bureau) when there is any doubt possible (as in Lancaster Co.). I have not looked at your other edits, it may well be some of them are are OK as they are simpler situations, but it would still be safer to cite. Thanks for adding this info, Ruhrfisch 03:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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I have the same question for Cumberland and Sagadahoc counties in Maine - the first few paragraphs of the Demographics section are on data from the federal census of 2000. However since I couldn't find this ancestry data in the 2000 federal census, I have moved the ancestry data to the end of the section pending confirmation. Verifiability is obviously key in editing demographic data. Please consider replying here. Thank you.--Chrisbak 20:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your prompt reply - I found the ancestry data for the 2000 Census (census.gov) in the "SF 3" section. It is interesting data, however right now an editor could be absolutely baffled by where you got your percentages from. Therefore I would probably have said something like this: "Ancestry reported out of 125% (multiple answers were allowed) was: ..." followed by percentages from census.gov. Also I might have placed my edit with the information from the "Social characteristics" section, rather than the data from "General Characteristics". However ask any questions you have at Editor Assistance - simply click "Request Assistance" and someone will reply. The editors who reply there are very willing to help new editors.--Chrisbak 22:53, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to find the information using your description on User talk:Chrisbak but could not (I'm tired, so more dense). Since it is not trivial to find, I think you must cite the actual webpage you get it from (please). You can either do this as a link: [1] or using <ref> tages or even {{Cite web}} in side a ref. Otherwise there are going to be other editors who revert it or vandals will change it and no one will know where to look for the original data. Ruhrfisch 03:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First I did verify the Census Bureau reported ancestry data by county. It's in the table "Social Characteristics" at the end, titled "Ancestry (single and multiple)". Since apparently multiple choices were allowed, the Census Bureau percentages - based on population - totaled more than 100%. That's the data I posted above that I would have used - without trying to be critical or "supervisory". Also this was what Moneqasque posted on my talk page about where the data came from - note it's apparently based on "first ancestry reported":

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This is how you´ll find the Census 2000 data for ancestry: Go to American Fact Finder. Select "Census 2000 Summary File 3 (SF3) - Sample Data." Select "List all tables". Select "PCT 16 Ancestry (First Ancestry Reported)". That´s where the ancestry data comes from. I simply did the percentage math and placed in the article only those figures which were at least 5%.

_________________________ Posted by--Chrisbak 20:52, 18 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguous links

Hello. Thank you for your recent edit to Aroostook County, Maine. Your edit included links to the pages American, English, and French, which are disambiguation pages. This type of page is intended to direct users to more specific topics. Ordinarily we try to avoid creating links to disambiguation pages, since it is preferable to link directly to the specific topic relevant to the context. You can help Wikipedia by revising the links you added to Aroostook County, Maine to refer directly to the most relevant topic. (This message was generated by an automatic process; if you believe it to be in error, please accept our apologies and report the error to help us improve this feature.) --Russ (talk) 06:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! This is a "me too" message :) for the stats on people of "Irish" ancestry. The link Irish also leads to a disambiguation page. I think it would be better to use [[Irish American|Irish]] instead. Keep up the good work though! Gil Gamesh 12:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Since I asked you nicely to be more careful about the creation of ambiguous links, I see that you have continued adding such links to dozens of pages. I am therefore asking you more strongly to correct your own links when editing pages. Your failure to do so creates more work for me and other editors, and is (at a minimum) impolite and inconsiderate. --Russ (talk) 21:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Zimbabwe-related articles

Please stop adding so many links. Your intentions are good, but linking to the same article more than once per paragraph is excessive. Perspicacite 05:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

thank you by imbert barrera wikification

have a nice day.

Census in Transnistria

Please let me know the source for detail data of 2004 Census in Transnistria at rayonal level.--MariusM 20:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As a principle, Wikipedia is not a reliabhle source and can not refference itself. Data may be correct but I am curious to see if those were officially published. I was not able to find ethnicity data at rayonal level published officially by PMR authorities, despite the fact that I looked for them, I was wandering if PMR gave up at the secrecy on this issue.--MariusM 19:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question about data added for Genesee County, New York

Hi,

Thanks for your contributon to the article here. I have been trying to put ref's in and am not finding the same numbers according to Census 2000. Can you help? Thanks. Ward20 (talk) 03:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can find those statistics in the Census 2000 Summary File 3 (SF 3) - Sample Data. Scroll down the list until you find "First ancestry reported" and then do the percentage math, as just the raw numbers are given. Monegasque (talk) 14:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing

I notice that you've added population statistics to Wisconsin county articles. Would you please add the source of these statistics to these and all articles? While they look reasonable, how can anyone trust that the statistics are valid without citing the reliable source? Royalbroil 14:07, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They're from Census 2000, as the rest of the population statistics. The reason why I didn't mention it was because I thought it would look somewhat redundant to mention specifically that the statistics for reported ancestry were indeed from the same source as the rest of the population statistics. The statistics for race and Hispanic origin, after all, are quoted as such, without any specific mention of the fact that their source is Census 2000.Monegasque (talk) 14:25, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More precisely, those statistics can be found in the Census 2000 Summary File 3 (SF 3) - Sample Data (First ancestry reported). I have only included reported ancestries that make up at least 5% of the population in a given area. Monegasque (talk) 14:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wabash County, Illinois

I reverted the edit as it sounded suspicious. Also, if any unreferenced content on Wikipedia will be removed. You must cite information using <ref>source</ref> or a citation template. Any other content will be deleted. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 14:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I had clearly mentioned the source, which is the same as for the other population statistics ( Census 2000 ). In any case it would definitely have been a good idea to ask me first about the figures before taking unilateral action exactly a minute after I had posted those figures. Deleting figures the very second you see them, without even taking the trouble of asking about them (or checking them) is way too rash for anybody's taste. Monegasque (talk) 15:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any content that is not referenced to a source using a ref tag can be deleted without any discussion per policy. If you have a problem with that, bring it up at WT:CITE, although it is a good policy that will not change. Southern Illinois SKYWARN (talk) 14:11, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicts with data?

I see that plenty of other people have asked you about your "according to Census 2000" edits. I'm quite confused about your source for some of these: this table says that the population of Donnelly was 15.0% American, 13.1% English, 13.7% German, and 5.2% Italian, but your edit says that 20.2% were of American, 14.9% German, 14.0% English and 7.0% Italian ancestry according to Census 2000. And by the way: I'm rather busy currently; would you please reply on my talk page? Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 23:49, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Briefly: You get different results depending on whether you base your figures on Table PCT16 Ancestry (First ancestry reported) (in which case the result can better be compared with the percentage of those reporting Hispanic or Latino ancestry) or on Table PCT18 Ancestry (Total categories tallied) for people with one or more ancestry categories reported. I'll post a reply to your talk page as well. Monegasque (talk) 15:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Could you get me a link to the two pages, say, for Donnelly? Thanks! Nyttend (talk) 18:10, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks much! Nyttend (talk) 22:23, 25 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Román Baldorioty de Castro

How are you? I would like it very much if you would stop changing Román Baldorioty de Castro's surname. He was "not" known as Roman Baldorioty. I hope that you understand that he is a beloved historical figure in Puerto Rico and changing or shortening his surname does not make any sense. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 00:40, 16 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Census sources

Hi Monegasque, recently an IP address user changed all of the demographics data you added to Rhode Island's counties. The changes have been reverted, but since no inline reference was given I ahd no way to check the data. Would you please add refs to your census data additions? Thanks, Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 14:57, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bevins

I hope you don't offence at what I've done to Bevins. Although it obviously its has roots in Welsh, it is pretty much a Anglicised version of the original Welsh. I also read once it was from the Norman French for wine drinker, but that seems unlikely to me. Bevo74 (talk) 21:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lorrie Morgan

Where did you get that Lorrie Morgan is a Welsh-American enough to add that category? Atlantabravz (talk) 23:13, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Morgan is a surname of Welsh origin. In many cases European immigrants have anglicized their names (Schmidt became Smith, Mueller became Miller, Nilsson and Nilsen became Nelson and so on), but Morgan is not a name of that type. Excluding African Americans (most of whom adopted Anglo-Saxon or Celtic surnames upon their emancipation after the Civil War), it's almost certain that any American born as a Morgan is at least partially of Welsh ancestry. Here's an article about the Morgans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_(surname).Monegasque (talk) 10:13, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The claim that Lorrie Morgan is Welsh-American needs to be justified by information that is included in her article. Presumably, that will take the form of a reference to a reliable source. Excluding African Americans... it's almost certain that any American born as a Morgan is at least partially of Welsh ancestry. A sweeping statement like that one needs a reference, in my opinion. EdJohnston (talk) 05:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Someone's surname says something (possibly) about the nationality of their great-great-great-....- grandfather, but nothing about the other 63, 127, 255 or whatever of their ancestors. And that's assuming that none of those male ancestors changed their name for any reason. Not safe grounds for assigning a category. PamD (talk) 07:55, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you removing this useful template from pages, while you are usefully categorising them by surname nationality? The footnote it generates is useful, and I think it also means that the article is recognised by various bots as a disambiguation-type page so doesn't get tagged as a stub etc. PamD (talk) 13:32, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The reason I removed it from a number of pages was that it seemed redundant, but you do have a point. I'll leave it from now on. Monegasque (talk) 13:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

Hello, Monegasque. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding your categorisation of articles based on surnames. The thread is here. Thank you. EyeSerene^talk 22:30, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.Monegasque (talk) 10:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Episcopalian

Hello. I noticed that you were adding religious affiliation to articles on certain American subjects and that, in doing so, you listed Philip Pendleton Barbour as Episcopalian. Please note that Episcopalian is a disambiguation page (actually, a redirect to one) and should not be linked to from articles. I changed this particular case to [[Episcopal Church (United States) |Episcopalian]]. You may want to do that with other Episcopalians you encounter. Rklear (talk) 15:50, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I hadn't noticed that. Monegasque (talk) 15:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hockey players

Why are you removing The countries from hockey players biographical info. If there's a MOS you are acting on, please provide it. Thanks ccwaters (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not removing the countries as such. The point is that if you mention that somebody was born in, say, Lansing, Michigan, it's totally unnecessary and redundant to add "United States", since everybody who is able to read these articles knows that Michigan is a U.S. state. The Simple English Wikipedia might be a different case... Besides, the nationality of the player is always mentioned anyway: "John Doe is an American ice hockey player from Lansing, Michigan" and so on. To resume: stating in every article about an ice hockey player from Michigan (or any other state) that Michigan (Oregon, Massachusetts etc) is situated in the United States of America, as if everybody didn't know that already, provides absolutely no new information, gives a somewhat irritating impression of underestimating the reader's mental capacity and looks just plain cluttery. If there really is somebody out there who doesn't know which country this strange and never-heard-of "State of Michigan" belongs to, the surprising truth ("Wow, Michigan is actually in America! I had no idea. I gotta tell all my friends...") can easily be found out by a single click. If you check out the articles about, say, American politicians, you'll find out that they normally follow the pattern "born in Lansing, Michigan", without adding "United States of America", for the simple reason that it can safely be assumed that nearly every reader already knows that Michigan is a U.S. state. I know that that in articles about sportspeople it isn't uncommon at all to find redundant mentions about Michigan, Virginia etc being U.S. states, but the fact that a practice is common doesn't necessarily mean that it makes any sense. And the pattern "born in Lansing, Michigan, United States of America" (Instead of "born in Lansing, Michigan", the pattern you'd normally expect) makes absolutely no rational sense at all. A good rule of thumb is that unnecessary information and clutter should be avoided. Monegasque (talk) 15:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW: As the question about whether one should write "born in Lansing, Michigan" or "born in Lansing, Michigan, United States of America" doesn't really rank among my top priorities, I haven't embarked on any campaign to use the simpler pattern in every article about an American ice hockey player. I've just simplified the pattern in a number of articles where I've added a category about their county or city of origin. As far as I can remember, I have made no changes to articles which already have that category. My main interest lately has been the category "County of origin"/"City of origin", not the pattern we've just been discussing.Monegasque (talk) 15:51, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I always thought the MoS was to provide the country as a effort to be less Northamerican-centric (see also Canada). Sorry, I don't have a link on that. Can you hold off on those for a bit while I try to find it? I have no issue with your category removals. ccwaters (talk) 16:08, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style#American_.28and_Canadian.29_geographic_name_MoS. I'll go from there. Quite honestly, I don't really care either way. So, if this mythical MoS I referenced doesn't exist, I'm not going to stop you from continuing. ccwaters (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I guess that MoS was in my head. Thanks for cooperating though. ccwaters (talk) 13:41, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No sweat. Monegasque (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

wiki tip: how delete a category you've created

I notice that you recently blanked several categories that you created yourself. If your intention is to delete them, you can save time and steps by applying the {{db-author}} template to the page. This works as long as there are no significant contributors other than yourself, which is often the case with categories. The thing is, only administrators can delete categories, and they tend to be busy people. Simply blanking the page is less likely to get their attention. - Stepheng3 (talk) 01:55, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Monegasque (talk) 17:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summaries

Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Please don't forget to provide an edit summary, as you forgot on your recent edit to Wilhelm Pieck. Thank you. Chicken Wing (talk) 08:27, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sidor Artemievič Kovpak ancestors on the run for assassination

Me and my brother Sibirian Artjom (named after Sydor's father Artjom) we are the youngest of the four Great grand anserters of Sydor Kovpak. We need help and or life is in danger. My father has made for us a social program this program is of social effort and is the fight to rescue Missing children in the Ukraine in or name! For this we survived assassinations and now we are in a situation that needs attention of all who are involved in Sydor’s vision and heroics acts for the Russian and Ukrainian people. I ask can you get in contact with us to listen to or story. Or email is 1400heroes@gmail.com and Verrazzo@hotmail.com

Iraq War

Hi, I've been going through the articles in Category:Congressional opponents of the Iraq War because another editor has taken it to CFD asking for deletion. I'm hoping to save the category, so I want to be sure that nobody is listed who doesn't really belong there. I noticed that you added Jeff Bingaman to the category -- but there's no mention of Iraq in the article, so it would help if you could add info to support the category, otherwise I'll have to remove it. Thanks! Cgingold (talk) 03:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That's easy. This [2] shows that Bingaman was among those who voted against authorizing the war in the first place. It isn't exactly classified information. It is, rather, very literally a matter of public record. The corresponding list for the House can be found here: [3]. These lists are very useful for making the distinction between those who opposed the war from the outset from those who merely jumped on the anti-war bandwagon afterwards, when it turned out that things didn't go quite as smoothly as they'd expected. Monegasque (talk) 09:52, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bios

Ciao! Thanks for your attention to biographies here... just a small note: birth and death places should be mentioned inline in the article, not in the B/D years parenthese). Ciao and good work. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 15:38, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Its great to see a new moniker at work on Indonesian articles (and categories) - thanks! Satu Suro 14:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC) I dont know if your have em on your watch list - but in the categories you have created - we do have relevant categories to add - and we also like the project tag inside category talk pages - cheers Satu Suro 14:53, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for adding the category tag - it is appreciated, one small problem we have though is:-

Category:People_from_Aceh
Category:Acehnese people

Cheers Satu Suro 05:09, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Those are two different things altogether. "Acehnese people" is an ethnic category, whereas "People from Aceh" is a geographical one. All people from Aceh aren't "Acehnese" in the ethnic sense of the word. Monegasque (talk) 05:14, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough I agree with your point - I think we need to have internal cross refs - as in see also inside them just in case :( - cheers Satu Suro 05:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you are really astute you will find I fouled up completely on a few of the dates of the early Hamengkubuwanas - one of them ruled 2 or 3 times but the javanese web sources dont necessarily coincide with western academics identification of who did what - I keep forgetting to go back and fix it all up Satu Suro 08:58, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

BTW

		Tireless Contributor Barnstar Award
		Monegasque - for tireless help to the Indonesian project for cleaning up and improving Satu Suro 09:06, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks... Monegasque (talk) 09:07, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You deserve it - such persistent improving in any one project is rarely done these days (as far as I can tell) - so thanks Satu Suro 09:10, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Your hard work is improving the coverage of Indonesia. Davidelit (talk) 14:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Indonesian Presidential Candidates

Well done and thanks for adding the candidates to all the Indonesian political party pages. I was meaning to get round to it, but did not have the time. Davidelit (talk) 14:21, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People from Guipúzcoa are always Basque

Please see my comment at Category talk:People from Guipúzcoa#Basque people ?. --Bejnar (talk) 15:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sort keys for Lifetime and/or DEFAULTSORT

Please do not add accents or other diacritics to sort keys for the Lifetime; most or all of the sort keys you have recently changed were correct before you changed them. See WP:NAMESORT, particularly the (currently) 3rd bullet of WP:MCSTJR. Studerby (talk) 18:24, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dermatology

I am working on a new project to improve the coverage of dermatologic content on wikipedia, and wanted to know if you might consider helping me? I will sent you an e-mail with some additional details. Regardless, thank you for your work on wikipedia! ---kilbad (talk) 12:15, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People from XXX cateogry sorting thanks

Thanks for sorting out people into more specific places of origin/residence categories. It is one of the most thankless, tedious, and needed tasks on Wikipedia. Cheers. youngamerican (wtf?) 11:43, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Barnstar

Check your user page. Congratulations (if you do not want it on our user page, feel free to cut 'n paste it onto this talk page). youngamerican (wtf?) 22:26, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What can I say? It does look nice... Monegasque (talk) 22:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lifetime

Can you stop converting to lifetime template - as the documentation says "{{Lifetime}} is for automatically generating all category tags related to birth and death years, including living people and missing or unknown values. The general DEFAULTSORT can be embedded as well. It should not be used to replace existing DEFAULTSORT and/or category tags." Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 09:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Incidentally I noticed you took Tom Baugh out of the [:[Category:People from Jackson County, Missouri]]. What was the reason for that? Rich Farmbrough, 10:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

a) As I see it, there are only two practical differences between using the lifetime template and the alternative. If you use the lifetime template, the end result will look exactly the same as with the alternative, but the editing space looks slightly less cluttery and, more importantly, using the lifetime template saves time, which is relevant if you do lots of categorizing. It's the main reason why I've been using it. What are, exacly, the concrete advantages with the alternative and what kind of practical problems could possibly arise from using the lifetime template? It is, by the way, a very common practice and certainly no invention of mine. It doesn't matter very much to me either way, but, as I said, using the lifetime template does save time. Please give some practical arguments for the alternative.

b) Tom Baugh is not, literally, "from" Jackson County but from Chicago. As the article states, he is currently residing in Jackson County, but it's not the same thing as being "from" Jackson County. I'll give you another example: I spent a part of my childhood in Lyon, France, but that certainly doesn't mean that I'm "from" Lyon. Those are two different things altogether. Monegasque (talk) 10:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another word about the lifetime template. Certainly you know that it's a relatively common practice used by many Wikipedia editors and that it's no invention of mine. Has there been any discussion about it? Personally, I'm a little surprised that using or not using the template would matter much either way. As I wrote, I'd like you to give me some practical arguments against using it. Where is the harm, specifically? Monegasque (talk) 10:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with your interpretation of "people from" usage. It has always included not only places of origin, but also places where folks have spent a significant portion of their life or have permanently settled. youngamerican (wtf?) 11:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"From" denotes origin. When we say that someone is from, say, Glasgow, it normally means that the person we are speaking about is a Glasgow native. There should probably be a different category named, for example, "Residents of X". But never mind that. What I find more interesting is why using or not using the lifetime template for stating the birth and death years of a person should matter so much. What kind of practical problems could possibly arise from using it? As I wrote, it does save time. Monegasque (talk) 11:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problems are manifold, the background is that it is a shortcut to save time when creating articles. With this there is little problem when an article is new and has few categories. However even the simple question of where to place the template is vexed. It is customary for the birth/death categories to go to the end, and the DEFAULTSORT to go to the beginning of the category list. Secondly many people are not familiar with what {lifetime} does and add another DEFAULTSORT and/or categories. Sometimes these get replaced with another "lifetime" adn the cycle starts again. I have seen several articles with 2 lifetime templates, at least one had a DEFAULTSORT as well. Thirdly we shy away from having (content) categories in templates, it could get very messy, for example someone might introduce a template "personp-places" that took the places a person was associated with and made cats of them, or "footy teams" that took the football teams someone had played for, and so on. Fourthly it adds complexity. At the moment there are I think 5 places that a defaultsort can arise from, DEFAULTSORT, lifetime, BD (a redirect to lifetime) BIOCATS (or soemthing) a for-subst template and Inofobox comics creator. Any bot, person or search engine needs to understand all five. It should be just one. Similarly AWB has to know where to place the template. It is also slightly more costly to render. So while it's not the end of the world it is not helpful to change to lifetime, and changing to lifetime certainly save no time. Incidentally there were several thousand uses of "lifetime" where there was also a defaultsort when I started looking at the problem 24 hours ago. Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 12:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC).[reply]

I see. Monegasque (talk) 12:23, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

People from Foo

See this guideline. People are grouped by where they have resided more so than where they were born. For example, Barack Obama should be included in the Chicago cat, not just Hawaii or Kansas.

Would you mind helping in restoring some these categories? It'll be a lot of work, but it'll boost your edit count. :) youngamerican (wtf?) 11:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I wrote, the problem is that it conflicts with the way we normally use language ("from" denotes origin) and I still think there should be a specific category for "Residents of X". In any case, I'll give the matter some thought, even though I'm quite happy with my edit count so far...:) But really I find the lifetime template issue much more intriguing. I realize that I'm repeating myself, but you still haven't answered my question: What kind of practical problems could possibly arise from using the lifetime template as a shorter and more convenient way to state a person's birth and death years? Monegasque (talk) 11:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You'll have to talk to Rich about that one. I just brought up the "people from" issue. I suspect, though, that his reading of the "lifetime" guidelines is correct, as spelled out in the documentation that it should not be used to replace defaultsort. You might want to ask him on his talk page, I'm sure he'd give you the answer that you seek. youngamerican (wtf?) 11:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry: I just re-read your comments and noticed that you hadn't actually written a single word about the lifetime template issue. As you sent me your comments about the same time as Rich Farmbrough, I got your comments mixed up with his. I'll just blame it on the fact that I'm in a hurry. That's the kind of thing that happens when you read too fast, trying to accomplish as much as possible in a short time...:) Monegasque (talk) 12:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

charlie parker

just curious why you took out the category:people from wya-what's-it, Kansas. Abie the Fish Peddler (talk) 08:30, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a case of redundant categories. If somebody is from, say, Olathe, Kansas, it's simply redundant to give him/her the category "People from Johnson County, Kansas" as well, since "People from Olathe, Kansas" is a subcategory of "People from Johnson County, Kansas", which is a subcategory of "People from the Kansas City metropolitan area". It's the same thing with "People from Kansas City, Kansas", which is a subcategory of "People from Wyandotte County, Kansas" and so on.Monegasque (talk) 08:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

got ya, loud and clear, carry onAbie the Fish Peddler (talk) 09:41, 11 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Josip Jurčič

Muljava is not part of Ivančna Gorica, as you have written (although it is part of the Ivančna Gorica municipality).[4] --Eleassar ^{my talk} 08:50, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The category "People from Ivančna Gorica" is a subcategory of "People by municipality in Slovenia". This means that in this context the relevant point is the municipality, not the town itself.Monegasque (talk) 10:04, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the article and noticed that you were right: I had actually forgotten to add "municipality". I normally try to avoid such errors. I thought at first that you were questioning the category itself, but now I understand your comment much better. Monegasque (talk) 10:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Casiodoro de Reina

Hi, you changed Sevilla to Montemolín in this article. In

Erich Wenneker: REINA, Cassiodoro di. In: Biographisch-Bibliographisches Kirchenlexikon (BBKL). Bd. 7, Herzberg 1994, ISBN 3-88309-048-4, Sp. 1524–1528. (German)
ermann Dechent: Reina. In: Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie (ADB). Band 27, Duncker & Humblot, Leipzig 1888, S. 720–723. (in German)

you will find Sevilla. What is your source or reference. with friendly greetings--Soenke Rahn (talk) 13:21, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For instance: [5] or [6] . The Spanish and the Portuguese wikipedias give Montemolín as his birthplace as well. Note that Montemolín belonged to the Kingdom of Seville at the time of his birth. This is why he had a good reason to call himself "Hispalensis" in the territorial sense of that word. Monegasque (talk) 18:33, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Many Spanish provinces have the same name as their capitals. Mix-ups between province and city are very common. If a source states that somebody was born in, say, Zaragoza, one should try to find out whether the city or the province is meant. Monegasque (talk) 19:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Manuel Goded Llopis

Look, the man's name is "Manuel Goded Llopis", see quick Google search: Manuel Goded Llopis not "Manuel Goded" therefore, please do me a favor and do not drop the "Llopis" from his name. Thank you. Tony the Marine (talk) 01:11, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Llopis was his maternal surname (of Catalan origin). Maternal surnames are used in normal Spanish-language prose almost exclusively in cases where the paternal surname is a very common one (Pérez, González, Martínez, Gutiérrez and the like), mainly to avoid mix-ups with other people who share the same paternal suname. This is why the politician Diego Martínez Barrio, for instance, is usually referred to as Martínez Barrio. In many cases (especially in the Spanish aristocracy), the paternal surname may look like something one could mistake for a combination of the paternal and the maternal surnames. Example: José Antonio Primo de Rivera. In fact, "Primo de Rivera" was his paternal surname, and if we refer to him with his maternal surname as well, we'll have to call him José Antonio Primo de Rivera y Sáenz de Heredia. Normally, of course, he is only referred to by his paternal surmame: José Antonio Primo de Rivera.

Back to Goded: as his paternal surname (Goded) is not a very common one, he is referred to in literature normally as Manuel Goded, general Goded or just Goded. His maternal surname (Llopis) is only mentioned sometimes when he is named the first time in a given text. Some examples: César Vidal: La guerra que ganó Franco, André Malraux: L'espoir, and indeed every single book about the Spanish Civil War I have ever come across. I googled "general Goded", and got about 40 900 hits. Then I googled "general Goded Llopis", and got exactly five hits. And how is the article about him in the Spanish wikipedia named? Manuel Goded, of course. Without the "Llopis". Aquí está: [7]. Monegasque (talk) 09:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a typical example: [8]. His maternal surname is mentioned only once, in the beginning. After that he is is only referred to as "Goded". Monegasque (talk) 09:43, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting and valid observation. Therefore, I'll go along and I will revert myself. Feel free to converse with me in my talk page since it is easier for me to keep track of on going discussions. Tony the Marine (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fresh edits on Spanish cardinals

My dear barnstar bearer, I appreciate your sorting work,but I don't like you removing Spain from the birthplaces. I hope that you've done these changes with the idea to make the articles lighter, because I do not see any other reason to delete the country of origin. I don't now how important are the provinces for you, but for the whole world Spain is Spain and Wikipedia is not the place to show nationalism and separatism. I suggest you to undo your changes and if you've done so elsewhere to correct it, before me alarming the administrators. Drjmarkov (talk) 23:20, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can remember, I have only done so in cases where the Spanish origin of the person is very obvious from the context and is clearly stated elsewhere in the article. I'll give you an example, using a fictive person: "Juan Larraín (born 15 June 1978 in Vitoria, Álava Province) is a Spanish actor". My point is that it isn't necessary to state the obvious. In this case, "born in Vitoria, Álava Province" is better than "born in Álava, Spain", because it's more precise and better than "born in Álava, Vitoria Province, Spain", because it's less verbose and, as you put it, "lighter". And in any case, every reader equipped with at least average intelligence will understand that "Juan Larraín" is of Spanish origin.

"Nationalism and separatism"...???? Obviously, you're mixing me with somebody else. I am not Spanish myself, nor do I belong to any of the linguistic minorities (Basques, Catalans etc) in Spain. Of all the languages spoken in Spain, Spanish is the only one I can speak with a certain fluency, even though Catalan, Galician etc are relatively easy to understand if one knows Spanish. If you knew a little more about Spain, Spanish politics and Spanish culture, you would know that the provinces (which I have hightlighted) are not the focus of minority nationalism. Instead, minority nationalists (or "separatists", if you want to use that word) focus on the autonomous communities, which are normally made up of several provinces, such as the Basque Country, which is divided into three provinces. As I wrote, I haven't hightlighted the autonomous communities as such, but the smaller units (the provinces): "born in Vitoria, Álava Province"). The practice of mentioning a person's province of birth carries no political overtones whatsoever. To make it even more concrete: nobody wants to make Álava an independent country, but there are people who would like to see the Basque Country (to which Álava belongs) as a totally independent state, to which, according to them, Navarre and the French Basque Country should belong as well. This is why a person who would like to promote Basque nationalism would have written something like "born in Vitoria in the Basque Country" instead of mentioning the province, as I have done. To sum up: your opinion that mentioning the province of origin of a person supposedly promotes "nationalism and separatism" lacks any sense and can only be explained by the obvious fact that you know very little about Spain, its politics and its culture. You would be well advised to learn to express yourself with a little more moderation. Monegasque (talk) 11:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing is obvious to anyone,because as many people - as many ideas. When something is up to average "intelligence", it is not clear, because we don't know how much intelligence is "average". As yourself I am not a Spaniard, too. As the bigger part of the potential readers are also not Spanish ones, because this is not the Spanish Wikipedia, they should check, where exactly is that province, if they decide to find where this person is born for example. That is why I state, that the country of origin is something very important in a person's biography and should not be avoided or hidden neither for verboseness nor for some other reason. Especially, when it is up to the Universal Roman Catholic Church, the country of origin might be different from the country of service. Because there are other Spanish-speaking countries where exist places with same names as in Spain, and because in the past they have been part of Spain (the Americas for example) nothing is obvious. About the "separatism and nationalism" - this was only a suggestion and I am sorry,if I have made a mistake, but that is how it looked from outside, especially for people , who are not deeply interested in the Spanish affairs. More of the readers here are in just that group. To delete a country's name from somewhere always looks suspicious, and the reasons might be multilayer.Drjmarkov (talk) 14:05, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A request

Hi there MONEGASQUE, VASCO from Portugal here,

I also want to thank you for the good work you have done on several footballers' pages (and i imagine in other articles as well). However, i would like to ask you a favour, about defaultsorts: PLEASE stop correcting them into a wrong state, please. I explain:

Take for instance Iker Casillas, he is known by his surname, so his def'ort should read "CASILLAS, IKER", no problem there. However, you have wronged other players which i had already corrected, for instance Paulino Martínez Soria. This player is known as PAULINO, so the def'ort should be 100% as the article's name, so that people search this person/player with letter "P".

Ty for listening, happy editing,

VASCO AMARAL - --NothingButAGoodNothing (talk) 21:07, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, he's known by the general public as "Paulino", but on the other hand the article's name is "Paulino Martínez Soria", not "Paulino". This is why it's kind of irregular to sort him beginning with his first name. Many singers, for instance, are best known by their first name (or their stage name), and in many cases the article about them has only the first name in the title, in which case the only alternative is to sort them by their first name. Articles about footballers, on the other hand, have the full name in the title. A tricky question... Monegasque (talk) 23:19, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some suggestions

I think you've made some good additions with cats for members of the SLP and SWP, but some of the cats you've created I think are a bit too narrow. Memmbers for the Cochranite American Socialist Union is, I think, too much because the organization was small and didn't last very long. As for the American Workers Party, I think it should be changed to a general cat for the longer lasting Conference for Progressive Labor Action, which was the ALPs name for four years. The Workers Party of the US and the Communist Labor Party cats are too narrow in my opinion, because these were transitory groups that only lasted a matter of months. Just some constructive criticism, I think overall your cats are a fine addition to wikipedia.--Dudeman5685 (talk) 19:56, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dominican presidents

Hello Monegasque!

Thanks for your help on Dominican Republic-related articles.

Why do you shorten the displayed names of presidents in the infoboxes, such as in this edit: [9]? Antonio Guzmán Fernández's article is titled so, with all three names, and he's known by those three names. SamEV (talk) 19:10, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

February 2010

Thank you for your contributions. Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Postage stamps and postal history of Northern Epirus, as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". Thank you. Yopie (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, as I saw it, my edits were minor in the sense that I didn't believe they could be, as the definition goes, "the subject of a dispute". As a rule, using exonyms instead of the standard placenames (example: calling Trier "Trèves" is quite all right if you're writing in French, but definitely not if you're writing in English) should be restricted to a minimum and this seemed to be a case where a previous editor had for some reason used exonyms even though the context didn't seem to warrant it. This is why I "standardized" the placenames according to the names that these places are called in the wikiarticles dedicated to them. I saw it as a question of clarity.Monegasque (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A comparable case would be an article about the Czech Lands during World War II where an editor would use the German exonyms Königgrätz, Budweis and Iglau instead of the standard forms Hradec Králové, České Budějovice and Jihlava normally used in English-language prose when these cities are referred to. In a German-language article I would, of course, expect to find the forms Königgrätz, Budweis and Iglau, but not in an English-language one. As editors very often speak some other language than English as their first language, many editors tend to half-automatically and more or less unreflectedly use the forms most familiar to them, even though they may not be the standard forms one is supposed to use when one in writing in English. Hence the tendency to use exonyms. Monegasque (talk) 21:35, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

CfD nomination of Category:DBD members

CfD nomination of Category:SED members

I have nominated Category:SED members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. PanchoS (talk) 17:45, 23 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ping

Please see Talk:Eastern Approaches. BrainyBabe (talk) 10:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Limanowa.

Just because Justyna Kowalczyk WAS BORN in Limanowa doesn't mean that she IS FROM Limanowa. She lives in Kasina Wielka which is in Limanowa County. I revert your categories change.

Here you have some sources: http://krakow.gazeta.pl/krakow/1,44425,6298880,Kasina_Wielka_dumna_z_Justyny_Kowalczyk.html http://www.sport.pl/zimowe/1,79225,6309743,Sukces_Justyny_Kowalczyk_nic_nie_zmieni_w_zyciu_jej.html http://sport.onet.pl/zimowe/biegi/justyna-kowalczyk-w-domu,3184845,fotoreportaz-mini.html http://www.se.pl/sport/inne/kasina-wielka-przywitaa-krolowa-justyne-wielka_131884.html

A Man from Poland (talk) 15:40, 8 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please

Please, stop the Slovakization, Zlatna was called Zalatna before the Treaty of Trianon, so for example László Lukács was born in Zalatna, not Zlatna. If anybody is born in Constantinapole (Middle Ages), then was he born in Istanbul?--Norden1990 (talk) 11:30, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I know, Zlatna/Zalatna/Kleinschlatten/Schlatten/Goldenmarkt/Ampellum is in Transylvania, not in Slovakia. I am well aware of the fact that practically all localities in Transylvania have at least two names (Romanian and Hungarian) and that many places there have a German name as well. Istanbul/Constantinople doesn't quite compare with Transsylvania, where we have a case of three ethnicities sharing the same geographical space. If you write that Zlatna was called Zalatna before the treaty of Trianon, you should qualify that statement: Zlatna's official name between 1867 and 1920 (when it belonged to the Kingdom of Hungary) was Zalatna. In 1920, when Transylvania was transferred to Romania in the Treaty of Trianon, its official name changed to Zlatna. Before 1867, when the Kingdom of Hungary was simply a part of Austria and not its own state, it had officially a German name. As Lukács was born in 1850, he was officially born in Austria, not in Hungary, and according to your logic, we should state that he was born in Kleinschlatten (or Schlatten or Goldenmarkt), not in Zalatna, as Hungary didn't exist as a state at that point but was merely a part of Austria. All this doesn't change the fact that even today, that locality in referred to in Hungarian as Zalatna and in German mostly as Kleinschlatten (sometimes Schlatten or Goldenmarkt). This fact was the same before 1920 and before 1867. In all other languages than Hungarian and German, however, that locality is referred to by its official Romanian name, which is the only one you will find in most maps. So the point of using the Romanian form was not "Slovakization" as you suggest (and not even "Romanization"), but standardization. Consult a standard map of the area, and which is the name you will find? Zlatna. That said, I'm not in principle against including both forms of the name (or the German name, for that matter), although it does look a little cluttery. The point is that the name of the locality should preferably make sense to someone consulting a modern map. Monegasque (talk) 12:15, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Officially Hungary is an independent state before 1867, there were personal union between Austria and Hungary. Of course de facto Austria occupied Hungary, but if you see a contemporary map, you can find Hungary. You have to know, there are lot of assimilative attacks against Hungary and the Hungarian minority. They (Romanians, Slovaks etc.) declared many Hungarian historical persons as Slovaks, Romanians (Kossuth, Zsófia Bosnyák, Máté Csák). So this an eternal fight between the countries, for example the Slovaks want to create a history for themselves. I am not chauvinist before you would believe it, but the fact is fact.--Norden1990 (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Null edit

Why this null-edit at Paul Abraham? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 04:23, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Info about where a person was born and about his/her ethnic/religious background and the like is usually placed immediately after the info about when he/she was born/died. In a word: standardization. Monegasque (talk) 10:20, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Friulian microtown categories

Please tsop to add such ultradetailed categories, resulting in just one people included in them. I think category:People from the Province of Pordenone is already deteailed enough for them. Thanks and good work. --'''Attilios''' (talk) 15:29, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The first person in a given category is most often just the beginning. More people will be added as wikipedia expands. Remember: categories are not lists. Their point is precisely to give accurate information. That can hardly be seen as a drawback. Categorizing people by comune (municipality) cannot be seen as "ultradetailed", as that kind of categorization has been applied to most comparable countries. If somebody had been categorizing people by frazione, that would qualify as "ultradetailed". Compare, for instance, with the huge amount of locality categories in the USA and Britain. Given the fact that Italy has a relatively large population (and, crucially, how many Italian personalities have a wikipedia article), the amount of locality categories in Italy is clearly lower than in most comparable countries.Monegasque (talk) 15:43, 26 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I totally disagree with you! What is the point to give categories made by just one? What "category" is it? --'''Attilios''' (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Monegasque, categories do not exist to convey information; they exist to facilitate navigation between related articles. Categories which are small and have no reasonable prospect of expansion can be deleted per WP:OC#SMALL, because they do not help navigation, they hinder it.

This inevitably means that countries where there are fewer biographical articles will have fewer geographical categories for people; if a people-from-province category has only ten articles, there is no point in splitting it up into ten single-article categories.

This will of course change if and when more articles are created. If you want to expand wikipedia's coverage of Italy, please write more articles. But do not create the categories until the articles exist to populate them. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have nominated all but one of the sub-categories of Category:People from the Province of Pordenone for upmerger. The discussion is at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 March 27#People_from_the_Province_of_Pordenone, where your comments will be welcome. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:24, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Mario Morello

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Speedy deletion nomination of Piero Polo

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Speedy deletion nomination of Aurelio Fort

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Giovanni Siorpaes

Hi, I noticed that you created Giovanni Siorpaes, but listed no sources for the information contained in the article. According to Wikipedia's content policies, all information must be verifiable from reliable sources. Therefore, it's necessary to cite your sources so other editors can check that the information included in the article is correct and matches the sources used. Information not previously published in such sources is prohibited as original research, since other editors can't verify it. Unsourced information may be challenged and removed at any time, and articles that can't be verified are likely to be deleted. Guidance on how to cite your sources is available, and if you need any further help, feel free to leave a message on my talk page.--Unscented (talk) 14:42, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Check out the link to the Italian version of wikipedia. It has an article about Giovanni Siorpaes: it:Giovanni Siorpaes. It includes a large bibliography. Monegasque (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Piero Polo and Antonio Fort

The point of deleting them is very simply. The articles made not attempt to establish notability. Each wiki establish their own notability guidelines so being on one wiki does not mean an article will be of sufficient notability to be on others. Also wikipedia is not a source for material on wikipedia. So not only did the articles not meet [[WP:V] and WP:N they also failed WP:RS. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:39, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Italian-language article about Piero Polo, for instance (it:Piero Polo) includes two profiles: http://www.sitodelciclismo.net/coureurfiche.php?coureurid=3961 and http://www.museociclismo.it/content/ciclisti/ciclista/10547-Pietro-POLO/index.html . Given some time, I (or some other editor) would have included them (as well as other stuff) in the article I just had started. The notability criteria of the Italian wikipedia, btw, are basically the same as those of the English-language wikipedia. Most articles begin as stubs. If every stub is killed off within 24 hours of its birth, even before it gets a chance to expand, it makes the job of starting new articles a rather tiresome task. Monegasque (talk) 19:37, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Nico Naldini

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Proposed deletion of Federico Tavan

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Category order

Generally the category is list by order. the most notable cat came first on the left bottom. I don't think you put Living people and year of birth came first is correct. POB, DOB is relatively no importance, at least less importance than occupation. 210.6.121.21 (talk) 11:47, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth - Year of death - Place of birth is the usual (or at least most common) way to begin the category list. This is no coincidence, as the articles themselves usually begin by stating these facts. It is the general rule for encyclopedias. Monegasque (talk) 11:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was just about to contact you about the same issue. Actually, it's not a general rule for encyclopedias and is certainly not one for Wikipedia. See WP:Category:

The order in which categories are placed on a page is not governed by any single rule (for example, it does not need to be alphabetical, although partially alphabetical ordering can sometimes be helpful). Normally the most essential, significant categories appear first.

The changes you have made to biographies of opera singers, composers, and other classical musicians will probably be reverted by editors in that area, e.g. Category:French opera singers and Category:Operatic baritones are far more essential, significant and defining for Jean Périer than Category:1869 births, Category:1954 deaths and Category:People from Paris – Voceditenore (talk) 12:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Do special rules apply for musicians? Monegasque (talk) 12:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No they apply to all biographies. I'm simply using this as an example. Your current mass re-arrangement of the categories in biographies is not at all helpful to readers and is contrary to Wikipedia editing guidelines. As I said, read WP:Category. – Voceditenore (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Mass re-arrangement"? Hardly. Remember, we're only discussing the order in which the categories are usually placed. And the most common order just happens to be Year of birth - Year of death - Place of birth - the rest. Besides, that is no invention of mine. That's just the way it tends to be. Those are, after all, the first things usually mentioned in the article itself. As such, the order in which the musician categories (or indeed any particular professional categories) are placed means very little to me. Monegasque (talk) 13:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please understand that your edits, and they are indeed on a massive scale, are disruptive. They don't contribute to the articles, they clog watchlists and edit histories, and they don't follow Wikipedia:Categorization of people, WP:Category and its FAQ, particularly the section "it is generally clear that some categories – for example the birthplace or birth year of a person – are less important than others, such as their status as an Oscar or Nobel Prize winner." -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Practice may vary between different professional categories, but if you consult wikipedia as a whole, the order I referred to is indeed the majority trend. Besides, I'm not on a crusade. If most editors who concentrate on musicians do indeed prefer a different order, they will no doubt rearrange the categories according to their own liking. As I said before, the order in which the categories of any particular professional group are arranged is definitely not one of my main priorities. Monegasque (talk) 13:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Generally the first one is most eye-catching, a common (wrong) practice is not a way to support you. Most biography in wikipedia lack of inline citation does not means wikipedia did not need citation. Matthew_hk t c 16:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As there is no generally accepted consensus as to the order in which the categories should be presented, one cannot speak of a given practice as "wrong" or "right" as such. The practice I have referred to is simply the majority practice. That doesn't make it the only legitimate practice (there can of course be no such thing, as there is no consensus), but the fact that it is the most common practice does give it a certain weight... Monegasque (talk) 16:34, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is "a generally accepted practice", and it's not what you've been following. It is outlined in the three sets of Wikipedia guidelines that have been referred to you above. Please read them. Voceditenore (talk) 17:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of fact, there isn't. Wikipedia:Categorization of people is very clear about that. I quote: "Currently, people tend to be categorized by the following broad categories. There is currently no consensus about the order in which these categories should be placed at the bottom of an article." You can't very well get any clearer than that. As I wrote: no consensus. Monegasque (talk) 18:35, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Few people read mos does not mean Manual of Style does not exist. If no consensus, why you change the order? no consensus mean keep the current format, if the article is living people first keep it first, if it is bottom, keep it bottom. But now already a consensus. Matthew_hk t c 17:33, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please explain this edit? Why move one "People" category (when you left two behind)? If you must move categories around (and I see no practical benefit in doing so), could you please maintain consistency? Thanks. (If I'm honest, I'd suggest that there must be hundreds of better things to do on WP—for someone obviously willing to spend time on the project.) HWV258. 02:35, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing mysterious about that edit. It merely follows the practice according to which the category lists usually begin: Date of birth - Date of Death - Locality of birth. A question of standardisation. The other categories you were referring to (the feudal state of which he was a subject etc) are not of a kind to be normally placed in the beginning of a list of categories. Monegasque (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As you and others have pointed out, there is no standard for the order of categories. Editing articles purely for the purpose of ordering categories in your preference, as in the edit quoted by HWV258, is unhelpful and disruptive. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:10, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no unanimously accepted standard, but there is a majority practice, and that's the one I'm following. It is not a question of my personal preference, but of the preference of the majority. Monegasque (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Year of birth

Ciao! According to WP:MOS, birthplace must be included inline in the biography. Ciao and good work! --'''Attilios''' (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Carlo Tullio Altan

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Speedy deletion nomination of Lino Zanussi

A tag has been placed on Lino Zanussi requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles - see the Article Wizard.

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Politicians by party

Hello; I'm not sure if you were aware of this, but the standard format for categories that categorize politicians by party is "NAME OF PARTY politicians" rather than "Members of NAME OF PARTY". They are slowly being changed, but if you want to avoid having the ones you create go through that process, you could change the format you are creating them in. Thanks, Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 05:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:People from Orange

Category:People from Orange, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. — ξ ^xplicit 21:54, 29 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Flanders

You added Flanders to Van Goethem. We will sing there tomorrow, smile, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:44, 3 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Catmore1

I am in the process of merging {{catmore1}} with {{catmore2}}/{{cat more}}. It would be great if when you make new categories, if you could use {{cat more}} rather than {{catmore1}}. Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 16:44, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Again, could you use {{cat more}}? So I don't have to do this, this, this, and this every time you create a category? Thanks! Plastikspork (talk) 15:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cape May County

Hi Monegasque: On June 26, 2007, you added some census details (a breakout of "white" ancestry) to the Cape May County, New Jersey article. I'm having trouble finding the information on the US Census Bureau website, as it's not on the summary or breakout pages for the county's demographics. Can you please direct me to the relevant page, so that I can link it as a reference? Otherwise, the details will have to be removed as they can't be verified. Thanks! MeegsC | Talk 04:30, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The source is Census 2000, Summary File 3 (SF 3) - Sample Data (First ancestry reported). I did the percentage math and included only those groups which make up at least 5% of the population in a given area. Monegasque (talk) 08:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Croatian regions

You didn't seem to be paying attention to my edit summaries, so here goes - the regions of Croatia are not the first-level subdivisions (between 0th level "country" and 2nd level "county"). They're unofficial, geographical-historical subdivisions. So it doesn't make sense to list them as such in infoboxes. You should instead add this information into article content, if necessary. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 22:57, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

One more thing - the Croatian counties have existed only since 1997. Listing them explicitly in birthplace names is by and large anachronistic, do hide them behind a pipe link. Conversely, thanks for moving birthplace categorization away from equally anachronistic per-county categories. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 23:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Elsa Moberg

The article Elsa Moberg has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No sources. Unencyclopedic. Relied exclusively on two putative "references" that were not obviously about Elsa Moberg and that are raw data maintained by gerontology researchers and longevity hobbyists. Neither is a reliable source. What's left is a name, birthday, a guesstimate for date of death and unsourced statements about where the subject lived. I deleted unnecessary, and unencyclopedic info, and focus on, another "record-holder". The focus in many longevity bios, on "record-holding" by nationality, occupation, blood type or what-have-you is unencyclopedic. The WP:WALLEDGARDEN needs pruning.

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Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway#Category:People by district in Norway

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Norway#Category:People by district in Norway. meco (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}}). __meco (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Norway-related categories

When you create Norway-related categories you might want to look up to find out whether there exist analogous categories on the two Norwegian Wikipedias so that interlanguage links can be added to them. I've added such links to Category:People from Vindafjord __meco (talk) 00:44, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Drew Roy

Hello. Are you aware of Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons? All additions should be referenced, and your recent addition to Drew Roy wasn't. I was just wondering if you had any source for his birthday? Thanks for your time. 117Avenue (talk) 20:15, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As to your first question: Rhetorical questions are best left unanswered. As to your second question: Of course I have. And, more importantly, the article itself includes not one but two sources. The sources are obvious enough: the two external links in the article. Somehow you seem to have missed them. Monegasque (talk) 21:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb and TV.com are not reliable sources, as they are both user contributed websites, much like Wikipedia. 117Avenue (talk) 23:29, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help with an edit?

Hi Monegasque.

I notice that you made the most recent edit for David Spero so thought I'd ask if you could take a look here on the Discussion page and consider making a quick addition to the article.

Thanks! Ludasaphire (talk) 13:23, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please

Please don't insert regions after cities when talking about birthplaces, like "Mosjøen, Helgeland" or "Hemnesberget, Helgeland". It's irrelevant in a Norwegian context. Nobody ever says things like that. Geschichte (talk) 17:41, 20 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BLPCAT

Monegasque, an experienced editor such as your self knows that you cannot add uncited ethnicity categories to an article, nevermind a BLP. Yet you just did so and have been asked repeatedly in the past to discontinue this practice. I am going to ask you to stop for the last time. Thank you--TM 00:59, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Repeatedly"? Exactly once, and that was in 2008. As to this case: If photographs mean nothing to you, there is, for instance, this: http://www.freebase.com/view/en/michael_beasley_1989 By the way, I have no recollection of ever having recieved any messages from you before this, which is why your choice of words seems a little odd.Monegasque (talk) 01:33, 27 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I am just thinking of the numerous times I have looked back and removed an uncited category you added but did not say anything. Anyway, no, pictures mean absolutely nothing. It is called WP:OR. It is completely unacceptable and I have had this conversation in multiple places on numerous occasions. Familiarize yourself with WP:BLPCAT. Thanks--TM 20:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Vlastimil Bubník

Vlastimil Bubník made an interview on 2008-11-28, so he can't died in 2002. --Gampe (talk) 10:17, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you telling me this? I did class him in the category "Living people". You don't have to take my word for it, however: just check out that article's edit history. The one who classed him among "2002 deaths" was Sole Soul, so you should contact him instead of me. Monegasque (talk) 10:30, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, my mistake! --Gampe (talk) 14:45, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion for Constantin_Brâncoveanu

An article that you have been involved in editing, Constantin_Brâncoveanu , has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Blackash have a chat 06:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Presbyterians from Northern Ireland

Please note that it is inappropriate to refer to Northern Ireland before 1922. Before then it was just Ireland. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:47, 26 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DEFAULTSORT

You seem to be unaware of the special munging rules for the DEFAULTSORT statement, to make articles sort correctly. You're industrially undoing the hard work of others thereby.

Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MCSTJR#Other_exceptions

Specifically

"and accented letters and ligatures should be replaced by their unaccented or separated counterparts"

You keep putting accents *back* after folk have worked hard to remove them, thereby making the articles sort incorrectly.

For example, Magnus Pääjärvi-Svensson *should* be between "Steve Passmore" and "Scott Pearson" on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Edmonton_Oilers_players&pagefrom=Lacombe%2C+Normand%0ANormand+Lacombe

Making that happen, by omitting accents from the letters in the sort key, was the reason DEFAULTSORT was invented.

Studerby (talk) 22:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Categories and ethnicities

Do not add uncited ethnicity categories, living or dead, as you did here. I will bring this to ANI. You have been asked twice to stop.--TM 13:31, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Even when it's obvious, such as Brenes being of Spanish descent? Brenes was a member of the Nicaraguan upper class, which is overwhelmingly of Spanish descent. Moreover, Brenes is a distinctively Spanish surname, found mainly in Andalusia. The case is obvious. You're overreacting. Monegasque (talk) 13:41, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, you are editing poorly. If you continue, I will take it to ANI.--TM 14:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion. As are we all...Monegasque (talk) 14:32, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help to make please Redirect of a name

Help to make please Redirect of a name Nikolai Shmatko (it is the most true variant of the name) to article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolai_Shmatko --Rerter 2 (talk) 22:55, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

People by communes in Algeria

Thanks for the categories you are creating for people born in Algeria. However, for people from Algiers, please don't change their place of birth from (for example) El Harrach, Algiers to EL Harrach, Algiers Province. El Harrach is still part of the actual city, its just a neighborhood inside of it. If you want to link it to Algiers Province, at least leave the text as Algiers. Thanks. TonyStarks (talk) 22:37, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

resurrection

Hi, I was wondering what made you think Boby Lapointe was alive? Ϣere SpielChequers 19:11, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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