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April 29

Redirect page reconverted into article

Heya, was looking for a little guidance on this redirect: Neon Knome. Several weeks back I nominated the article for deletion because it was entirely original research, poorly written, contained trivia, and any notable information it did impart could easily be incorporated into the parent article at: The Problem Solverz. The AfD passed and the article was turned into a redirect to the parent article. Shortly thereafter, an editor at IP 173.11.226.201 restored the disputed page (with glaring flaws and all) with no explanation. I reverted that edit and made it a redirect again. The IP user restored the article a second time. Another user turned it back into a redirect. Then an IP editor at 50.8.27.98 (who I believe to either be the same editor, or working in tandem with them, based on how closely their biases and edit histories intersect) restored the flawed article. I just want to be sure that my efforts to keep the redirect aren't misguided. I believe these IP editors are fans of the show and seem to have a heavy bias to keep any and all information about the show and its creators, rather than to ensure the quality of the articles. Any assistance is appreciated. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Consider requesting the page be protected at WP:RFPP. Don't engage in an edit war. RudolfRed (talk) 00:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

If there was consensus to delete and redirect the article, then shouldn't the anons be warned for edits that violate consensus, as well as having the article page-protected? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:54, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

This is where I get a little confused about consensus. I nominated the page for deletion because it didn't meet encyclopedic standards. Nobody objected. Is that consensus? But then two editors (theoretically) at these IPs want to restore the junk article. Is that consensus? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

On further checking, IP address 173.11.226.201 has a LONG history of disruptive edits and has repeatedly been warned and sometimes blocked. I've requested administrator intervention. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the assist. I piggybacked a mention of 50.8.27.98's activities onto the AIV report. Among other unhelpful contributions, here they are submitting the same copypasta--first one IP does, then after I reverted it for unsourced original research, the other IP resubmitted it. Example from 173.11.226.201 and example from 50.8.27.98. The edit was eventually reverted by another editor. Per RudolfoRed's suggestion, I submitted a request for page protection. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

It might be worthwile reporting the two IPs as possible sockpuppets too. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:32, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

New articles and submission for entries

Hi,

I am doing a project for a grad Public History class and we need to create a wiki article for a site that doesn't have one yet. I chose the Cockayne Farm Preservation Project. I used sandbox to do most of the writing/coding then submitted it to somewhere(?) Then it said about putting it on something called talk and then talk:articlesofcreation for Cockayne Farm Preservation Project. After doing this, I found another part that let me put my writing/coding in and the page appears to be active. My question is, did I just do a bunch of things wrong, or did I make my (and the editors) lives more complicated?

Thanks. John — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnHospitaller (talk • contribs) 00:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Your article is at Cockayne Farm Preservation Project. I didn't read it through but I see that there is still some work to be done to it. First, we don't generally put external links (those going to off-Wikipedia web sites) in the text of the article. Those are generally put in an external links section at the bottom. Second, articles don't have "Conclusion" sections. Articles aren't term papers where you have to sum up your arguments. Articles should be devoid of personal opinion. See WP:NPOV about that. I do appreciate that you have references though! Dismas|^(talk) 01:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Submit objection on WIkipage Indosat

Dear Wikipedia Admin,

Herewith we submit objection to a page that related to our company information, namely Indosat. The information is incorrect and repeatedly being updated by anonymous person to be misslead. We have been updating it frequently but still being edited by this person.

Could you kindly help me on this matter? To assure that the information is being correct and useful for anyone who lookung for Indosat information in Wikipedia.

I may be contacted at <redacted>. Please don't leave personal contact info on Wikipedia pages. You will only be contacted through your user id. Rojomoke (talk) 15:31, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Looking forward from you.

Thanks, Adrian Prasanto Public Relations PT. Indosat Tbk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pras2312 (talk • contribs) 07:49, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The article is Indosat. The best place to discuss your problem is on the article's talk page. You say "We have been updating it frequently", but User:Pras2312 has never edited the page at all. In any case, anyone associated with Indosat should read Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest before editing the Indosat article. Maproom (talk) 11:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

powder coating process

Dear SIR

WE WANT TO DO POWDER COATING ON ALUMINIUM ROD(2MM THICKNESS).BUT WE WANT TO USE ONLY PU POWDER,DFT SHOULD BE 180 MICRONS

AND COMPONET LENGTH 2MTR LONG,PER DAY VOLUME 20000 NOS.CAN U SUGGEST OVEN DESIGN. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.63.147.76 (talk) 08:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 10:13, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Correction of article name

To Whom it May Concern

The Wikipedia Team,

It is to inform you that there is an article named as Teenda an Wikipedia, but the actual name covering a large area is Chowki Tinda. Tinda is a village in union council Chowki Tinda. Other villages include Kalah, Athroin, Panakha and Kakanni. The name may please be corrected. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yasiraltafhotmail (talk • contribs) 08:35, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Chowki Tinda currently redirects people to Teenda. Are you saying this should be the other way around? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 14:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Edit statistics on ice hockey player wiki page

I am interested in updating my personal Wiki page that has been created for me. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brad_Leeb)

I would like the page to represent my current ice hockey statistics, as the current Career Statistics have not been updated since 2008-2009. I do not know how to update this section. I see that the stats are from HockeyDB.com, but I can't figure out a simple way to update/copy paste code to update my this section.

Can someone please help? Or please update for me?

Any info is appreciated.

Thanks. Bradmleeb (talk) 11:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for not editing the article itself – it is best that you avoid doing this as you have a conflict of interest. Please give you current statistics, and any other changes you would like made, on the article's talk page so that other editors can edit the article. If possible, please include references to reliable published sources where the information can be verified. Maproom (talk) 11:46, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

(ec)The best place for you to address your concerns would be Talk:Brad Leeb where neutral editors can evaluate the information and edit the article accordingly.

Before you, or anyone representing or associated with you, do any editing please read WP:Autobiography and WP:Conflict of interest. The article is not your "personal wiki page", it is Wikipedia's article about you as a notable subject. It was not created for you and you do not have any special rights regarding its content - see WP:OWN and WP:NPOV. Your interests are however protected by Wikipedia's very strict policies about biograpies of living people. -- Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I have updated the statistics, by copying from http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=28823. I don't know what any of them mean. I observe that the +/- column has not been copied to the Wikipedia article. Maproom (talk) 15:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Template Help

I am finding dozens and dozens of pages of templates but not a general page that explains how to work with templates, what they are, when they should be used, how to use the code, where to put it. When I look at Template:Help, it's a template for a Help page, not a page trying to help people work with templates. I just need to know how to use one specific template in order to do a category deletion request but it's not a simple tag I can paste in, it's a template and they seem much more complicated. There should be a guide explaining what they are, why they are used and how to choose the right template from the hundreds listed in the category Templates. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 14:34, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Instead of looking at Template:Help, look at Help:Template. Looie496 (talk) 14:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Logo Upload Greyed

Upload this file but is greyed out even though I've filled in all of the required data. How do I fix this?

Trying to edit /Lou_Frey_Institute_of_Politics_and_Government

trying to change the Logo to our seal and not the university's.

Here is what I got in the FileUploadWizard:

This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.

Lou Frey Institute of Politics and Government

Lou_Frey_Institute_Logo.jpg

Lou Frey Institute Logo.jpg

This is a copyrighted, non-free work, but I believe it is Fair Use.

Lou Frey Institute of Politics and Government – article okay.

This is a logo of an organization, company, brand, etc.

Which of these options describes this item best?

Source: http://loufreyinstitute.org/?attachment_id=478

(where exactly did you get this file from?)

[Box Checked] This image will be shown as a primary means of visual identification at the top of the article dedicated to the entity in question.

UPLOAD is greyed out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Loufrey (talk • contribs) 14:39, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the problem is that your account is too new. New accounts can upload freely-licensed images to Wikimedia Commons, but cannot upload "fair use" images - see WP:AUTOCONFIRM. Give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can do it for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 15:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

 Done -- John of Reading (talk) 15:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Help:CS1_errors#Unknown parameter |????= ignored

Quite recently {{cite encyclopedia}} has had this test enabled: Help:CS1 errors#Unknown parameter#|????= ignored the trouble is that it has introduced a problem in dozens of wrapper templates that call {{cite encyclopedia}}. For example {{cite EB1911}} which is transluded into about 15,000 articles.

The problem is that to protect the wrapper template from setting null value parameters that for example break things like author=name when an empty last= parameter is also passed into {{cite encyclopedia}}. The code for passing in parameters in wrapper templates like {{cite EB1911}} is

|{{#if:{{{last|}}} |last |HIDE_PARAMETER}}={{{last|}}}

|{{#if:{{{author |}}} |author |HIDE_PARAMETER}}={{{author|}}}

This means that a hidden parameter is deliberately set to protect a valid parameter being set with an empty value. Now there are several ways this can be fixed easily, but while it is discussed it would probably be a good idea to roll back the alteration to CS1 errors which has made this error appear in tens of 1000s of pages.

-- PBS (talk) 14:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

What does HIDE_PARAMETER do? --  Gadget850 ^talk 14:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

If it is being used to not inject a blank field, then it is no longer needed with the Lua module. All you need is:

|{{{last}}}={{{last|}}}

The Lua module will totally ignore any parameters without a value. --  Gadget850 ^talk 14:59, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I think you mean:

|last={{{last|}}}

Dragons flight (talk) 15:20, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Right. --  Gadget850 ^talk 16:05, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Can you point to any examples where you see this error message with that template? I don't see why it should ever occur. Unknown parameters are ignored if their content is empty, which seems to be the case for the usage shown. According to the CatScan tool there are only 119 pages using {{Cite EB1911}} in Category:Pages with citations using unsupported parameters, and a quick perusal of the first 10 seemed to confirm that these were coincidental. The CS1 error was being reported by some other citation on the same page and not related to the use of {{Cite EB1911}}. Dragons flight (talk) 15:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I came across it for the first time in this page Christian Schussele for the template {{Cite ODNB}}.

As in

Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (online ed.). Oxford University Press. {{cite encyclopedia}}: Missing or empty |title= (help) (Subscription or UK public library membership required.)

I'll check the code and see if it is set to anything other than empty.

-- PBS (talk) 15:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Well that was a quick check it was fixed while I was looking here. -- PBS (talk) 15:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Review/assist new article!

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm trying to write the following article: User:Bblears/Madeleine Riffaud

I was wondering whether anybody could help me produce this? I feel ethically bound to make it, yet I do not speak French, and most of the sources are French.

Particularly - should I translate the titles of her works (poetry anthologies, books, publications) into English or post the French titles? --Bblears (talk) 15:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I got you an infobox. It's not much but I have a lot of other side projects i'm working on. Good luck with your article, it looks very interesting! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

If the works' titles were in French, you should use those French-language titles. Translating them would be confusing, and make the sources harder to find. Incidentally — your article looks very good, far better than most editors' first articles. Maproom (talk) 15:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sort of at a dead end now, I've put in all the information that I know, but without a French contributor my knowledge is very limited. And I am guessing that the sources are not sufficient. Bblears (talk) 15:47, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll fix the Bare URL references. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Do you have page numbers for the book reference? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

One of the web references is dead - it might be due to a typo. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:09, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry Roger, the quote from that article is shown here www.12ozprophet.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-94477.html but I don't suppose I can use that. I'll look for additional sources. Bblears (talk) 17:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

The article looks pretty good to me. Rather than leaving the draft in userspace at AfC, is there any reason why she shouldn't go ahead and create the article in mainspace and then request assistance from someone who knows French? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I support Robert McClenon's suggestion. I'ld move it myself, but it's past my bedtime. Maproom (talk) 23:10, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Since I'm on the United States East Coast, I took up my own suggestion and copied the article into mainspace. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Are you saying that you did a copy and paste to mainspace, rather than moving the draft from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Madeleine Riffaud and maintaining the attribution of the previous edits. Are you sure that you intended to do that, Robert? - David Biddulph (talk) 01:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I've requested a history merge. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:02, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Because it was done as a copy/paste move the AfC Project template has not been placed on the Talk page - this needs to be fixed. AfC has specific procedures for moving drafts to mainspace which includes the automagical addition of the AfC template and categorisation. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm honoured! Hopefully I can find a French person to improve the article now. Bblears (talk) 07:31, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I think the easiest way might be to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject France. Seems likely a few of those contributors can understand French and English. Good luck! ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Can't Find My Article in Sandbox

I created an account and started writing an artilce in Sandbox. I saved it but now I want to bring it back to edit it and I cannot find it. Where did it go?Jwtiernay (talk) 16:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

J. W. Tiernay

The only edits I am seeing by your account are the help desk question and the creation of Ontario Good Roads Association. RJFJR (talk) 16:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Reginald Hudlin (film & television writer/producer/director & former executive)

To whom it may concern,

I assist writer, producer, director Reginald Hudlin (House Party, Django Unchained).

Recently, we have tried to make changes to his wikipedia page, but the changes are always vetoed by other users. Is there a way to solidify and protect the pages of public figures, so that the information is correct and cannot be altered?

If this is not the appropriate department to contact, please point us the right direction.

Thank you, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.108.75.215 (talk) 19:25, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

There is no way to prevent people from editing an article provided they have reliable sources to back up their edits. If you discuss desired changes on the associated talk page, and provide reliable published source, you may be able to convince the other editors of your proposed changes. Since this is a BLP (Biography of a Living Person) unsourced material will be immediately removed if challenged. Please be cautious in making changes to this article since you are seen as having a conflict of interest. RJFJR (talk) 19:48, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

First, you should familiarize yourself with Wikipedia guidelines at WP: Biographies of living persons. Then as RJFJR suggests, you can discuss changes on the talkpage of the article you are concerned about. If that fails, and the article violates WP:BLP standards, you can report the problem at WP: Biographies of living persons/noticeboard. Textorus (talk) 04:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Making a work-in-progress copy of a page

Is it permissible to make a copy of an article to my userspace to work on it and then merge it back into the main article after I'm done? I'm wanting to work on expanding an existing (stub) article, but I'm not wanting to leave the mainspace article in a half finished state while I work. If it is permissible, what is the proper process? Grandmartin11 (talk) 19:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Making a copy in userspace is fine. I'm not sure there is any particular procedure to follow. (You may want to put a message at the top of your userspace copy describing what you are doing in case someone finds it. You may also want to remove maintenance tags from your copy since they may add it to categories.) Ask to have your user copy deleted when you are done. RJFJR (talk) 19:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

damaged article on Pete Hautman

I am the author Pete Hautman, the subject of the Wikipedia article on "Pete Hautman" Pete Hautman. Recently, the (formerly accurate) article was heavily edited, and there are now several problems with it including

1) It says I have written some books that I did not write. (i.e. I am not the author of "The Walking Dead!") 2) Nearly all of the publication dates of the listed books are wildly (and apparently deliberately) inaccurate (i.e. one of my books is listed as being written in 2025) 3) Only a dozen of my 28 published novels are mentioned, with my more popular novels (including some that have their own Wikipedia articles) omitted. 4) The grammar has been altered, and not for the good--it now reads as if written by an eighth-grader.

The alterations do not appear to be vicious or damaging, but they are bewildering and not at all useful to any reader. It looks as if some kid got in there and started screwing around with the article just for fun.

I don't know if it's appropriate for me to attempt to edit a page about myself, so I'm starting here at the help desk. Is there anything I can do to help correct this damaged article?

Thank you!

Petehautman (talk) 19:53, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

There were recently six edits by the same IP editor. I roll the article back to the version before those changes, but I have not yet verified the publication dates. RJFJR (talk) 19:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

That anonymous IP address has engaged in WP:Vandalism in the past and been warned. I have requested admin intervention to block the IP address. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:56, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

And because nobody has done it yet, thank you for bringing this to our attention! Dismas|^(talk) 20:58, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! Most of the egregiously incorrrect info is gone now, but a lot of the stuff that was there before (complete list of books with links to wiki articles) is still missing. Petehautman (talk) 23:01, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Not all the books have articles. And they may not be deserving of articles. For book notability criteria, please see WP:NBOOK. Dismas|^(talk) 23:08, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. I am referring to links that were previously there (for books titled "Invisible," "Rash," and "Sweetblood"), to articles that are currently available on Wikipedia. Petehautman (talk) 00:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted this unexplained deletion from some time ago. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:37, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Excellent. There are still errors, but they are quite minor. Thank you very much for all your help! Petehautman (talk) 01:10, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for not editing the article yourself, which would have violated the conflict of interest and autobiography policies. If there are any other errors, you can identify them on the article talk page, preferably with links to reliable sources, such as book catalogs. Which of your books should be listed is, as mentioned above, a question of which of your books are considered notable. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

"List of characters" articles and other spin-off articles

Are there established guidelines for "List of characters" articles? When are they appropriate, and when should they be avoided? What about other spin-off articles like "List of episodes," "Mythology of," etc.? - ClaireJV (talk) 20:16, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I thought there would be something in WP:MOSFICT, but it only mentions characters in passing. I don't know where else to look. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 23:07, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I think it all boils down to user experience. For example, NCIS (TV series) would be way too long if it contained the episode lists and list of characters. But, for a series that only lasted one season or just a few episodes, it would probably be inappropriate to break out the episode and character lists into separate articles. See also WP:LENGTH.--ukexpat (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that may be helpful! -- ClaireJV (talk) 16:55, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Prosesize JavaScript

I've been trying to get the JavaScript at User:Dr pda/prosesize to work for me. I've followed the installation instructions, but it still doesn't work. Would anyone have any suggestions for what I should do? Alphius (talk) 20:44, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps try clearing your cache and see if that has any effect. Sir Rcsprinter, Bt (yak) @ 21:26, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

They might be better able to help you at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). RJFJR (talk) 21:29, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I'll ask over there, too. Thanks. Alphius (talk) 22:06, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I tested it and bypassing the browser cache made it work for me. Let us know whether that resolves your issues with the script. -- Toshio Yamaguchi 21:33, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

I've already tried clearing the cache, and it doesn't help. Alphius (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

What browser are you using? The documentation says that it won't work at all with Google Chrome and there may be problems with Internet Explorer and Firefox (though it works fine in Firefox for me). Are you aware that in order for the script to work, you have to click edit on a page, then click preview, and only then click the "Page size" link?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

It says that trying to do it without installing it might have problems in certain browsers, but doesn't say anything like that for the installed version. I didn't know you had to edit and preview first, but even after trying that, it still hasn't worked for me. Alphius (talk) 00:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes, you're right, that's for the uninstalled application. However, there's some indication on the talk page that, regardless, it may not run in some versions of IE. If you're using it it, I'd try it with something else.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm using Chrome. I guess I can try another browser and see if it works, then. 129.93.5.133 (talk) 00:58, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Oops. I apparently wasn't logged in when I left that comment. I'm sure most of the edits on that IP address aren't mine, because I'm on a shared IP address. Anyway, I am positive I was logged in when I tried to get the JavaScript to work. I just tried Firefox and Internet Explorer, too, and it didn't work for me in those, either. Alphius (talk) 01:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

(←) Alphius, instead of the {subst:js... method, try puting the line

importScript('User:Dr pda/prosesize.js'); //User:Dr pda/prosesize.js

in your vector.js (and of course, clearing the cache again). It works for me (IE8).

@Fuhghettaboutit: you do not have to enter edit mode and preview to use it. Just load the page you want and click the tool. --Stfg (talk) 21:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! That worked! Alphius (talk) 17:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

April 30

How do I publish after my article is revised???

I am working on a wikipedia page as an assignment for a class. I attempted to have to article published but had it returned. I made the revisions requested and am attempting to request publish again, but I cannot find a "publish" button like there was the first time. What do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eden.graham (talk • contribs) 00:14, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

In this edit you deleted the template which gave you the ability to resubmit. I have reinserted the template for you. - David Biddulph (talk) 00:24, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The tv series, in 1960-70 period. There was an island where the people greeted each other saying "we are not thieves".

There was a captain who traveled with his yacht in the Pacific or Indian Ocean, He came to an island where he noticed that the people of the island were greeting each other "We are not thieves"..He was very curious about why the people were greeting each other this way. This is what he found out: In the 18th or early 19th Century,these men and women were descendant of people who were branded as convicts and condemned by the British Government for transport to New South Wales, Australia., Somehow they either survived a violent storm or commandeered the ship they were transported, came upon an island and survived.. Their crimes were petty crimes like stealing shirts, embroidery or just a few pennies. They did not consider themselves as thieves so they were greeting each other by saying "we are not thieves". This sort of greeting persisted. They survived and married and multiplied., But the fear of being discovered and be transported to New South Wales has stayed with them. The leaders of the group prevented any escape from the island lest those who escape may reveal the location of the island, subject being rediscovered and condemned again for transport to New South Wales.. Only the leaders had the knowledge of the use of a sextant and other navigation instruments.. They kept the knowledge of use of those instruments very secrect. They multiplied, they built houses and other dwellings in the architectural models of the old England.. Their language was old English. When the captain arrived with his yacht, they did not allow him to leave the island for the same fear.. But the captain was able to leave the island, convincing them there is no more fear of being transported to Australia as convicts , it was the 20th Century, and they were not considered convicts any more. This kind of story has always intrigued me that it was a possibility.. If I could find the movie I would like to see it again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.249.104.159 (talk) 03:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Have you tried the Entertainment section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps.Template:Z38. RudolfRed (talk) 04:30, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

In case the OP doesn't go to the ref desk and looks back here, I believe the TV show in question was an episode of Adventures in Paradise, starring the notoriously wooden actor Gardner McKay. Deor (talk) 13:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Question Re; Capitalization In The Name Of An Article

Looking to capitalize the first letter of each word in the title of the following article (see link below). I don't seem to have access to this option after completing significant edits.

NCAA Division I men's lacrosse records

Please advise.

Regards,

Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anagler (talk • contribs) 06:20, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You will be able to change the name of a page when your account has been registered for four days and you have made ten edits with it. However, before then please check out WP:TITLEFORMAT, as the usual convention here is that only the "First word is capitalised". We don't "Capitalise Every Word". This applies to section names within articles too. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Such a format is only allowed when the article title is the official proper name of the subject; such as a personal or organisation name or the title of a book, film, etc. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:50, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I've fixed the section headings in the article per WP:HEADINGS. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:01, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

References

I have a very general question.

How do I reference using Wikipedia? I have yet to find a page stating this information. I'm reading about 'PANTHEIST'. Thank you. Dawn Tabb Tabbdawn (talk) 09:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

If you mean, how do you use one Wikipedia article as a reference in another Wikipedia article, the answer is that you don't. For further advice on referencing, start with Referencing for beginners.

And I've deleted your email address from your question, in the hope of avoiding spam (see the bold message at the top of this page, saying "Do not provide your email address or any other contact information. Answers will be provided on this page only."); if anyone wishes to communicate with you, they can do so via your user talk page, or through the "Email this user" link under "Toolbox" on your user page or user talk page if you and the prospective sender of the message have both enabled email in your preferences. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:23, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Or is it this you mean? Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

TMF Group

Hi there,

I am the global digital marketing manager at TMF Group and I would like the ability to edit our Wikipedia page.

some of this information is factually incorrect so needs to be changed.

Please can you let me know who has access or remove this page so I can start again.

Many thanks,

Emma Wodehouse Global Digital Marketing Manager at TMF Group — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.85.75.162 (talk) 10:27, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, rather than just diving in and editing. You will find relevant advice at WP:Conflict of interest. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You may also want to bring up your issues on the talk page for the article, which can be found at Talk:TMF Group. This may give you an outlet for your concerns that won't run awry with WP:Conflict of interest. Zell Faze (talk) 18:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Dashes

Why do normal dashes/hyphens get replaced by longer dashes? Does this really matter? If yes, where to find this key on my keyboard? Thanks, Lesion (talk) 11:40, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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See MOS:DASH and Wikipedia:How to make dashes. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Expand Autocollapse Table

In the article, alcohol laws of New Jersey, there is a table at the bottom of the page linking to the alcohol laws of other states. It uses the Template:United States topic template which is autocollapsed. In all the other alcohol law series (e.g., alcohol laws of New York, alcohol laws of Missouri), the box is expanded. Because there are other collapsible tables in the alcohol laws of New Jersey article, the table is collapsed. How do I override the autocollapse feature, and made the table expanded even if there are other tables in the article? DavidinNJ (talk) 13:56, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You can add |state=expanded inside {{United States topic. And they are known as navboxes not tables --Ushau97 (talk) 15:54, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Full code would be {{United States topic|state=expanded}}.--ukexpat (talk) 16:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. DavidinNJ (talk) 17:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Two revisions of the nematode article are identical, yet one shows a ref error and the other doesn't

The 11:30, April 29, 2013‎ version (the current version) of the nematode article shows a red error in the "Nematode systematics" section: "Cite error: A set of <ref> tags are missing the closing </ref> (see the help page)." But this 16:06, April 28, 2013 version does not show that error, despite having the exact same wikicode. Here is the diff. What's happening here? And how can I fix the error I'm seeing? (If this is the wrong forum for this question, I apologize, and could you direct me to where I can get some help understanding this?) – Quadell ^(talk) 14:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what was causing the problem, but a purge seems to have cured it. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Someone blanked the template that controls the error messages and it probably got cached for that page. I protected the template. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Danario Alexander San Diego Chargers Wide Receiver

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Danario Alexander does not have a son named Danario Alexander Jr, please delete this information as it is false and incriminating to his image. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teixste (talk • contribs) 17:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

correction

I Googled "Ambler Borough PA boundary" and clicked on the Wikipedia site. It said on the site that Temple University Ambler Campus is in Ambler Borough when, in fact, it is NOT. It is in Upper Dublin Township. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.225.198.232 (talk) 18:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

You appear to be right. It looks rather as if the Borough of Ambler is smaller than what people think of as Ambler, and somebody has added the Temple University Ambler campus to the article for that reason (that article does not explicitly say what community it is in, but has an Upper Dublin Township template).

I'm not sure what is the best thing to do. As it stands, the statement is wrong; but might somebody come to the article wanting to know about Ambler, and not knowing or caring that the Borough is only part of what is referred to as Ambler? You could simply remove the sentence from the article (with a suitable edit summary); or perhaps edit it to say that it is near Ambler but not actually in the borough. It might be best to open a discussion on the talk page Talk:Ambler, Pennsylvania, and get consensus. --ColinFine (talk) 22:36, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I've edited the article on Ambler, Pennsylvania and put a note on the talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Mayors of Pierson ,Fla.

Mayor Walter C. Thompkins is not listed. Mayor Thompkins was the first and only black mayor of Pierson, Fla. My father a life long resident of this township. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.46.56.19 (talk) 18:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, are you referring to a specific article? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:34, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

List of first African-American mayors?--Canoe1967 (talk) 22:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

budding a lilac tree§

How to bud a lilac tree from an existing tree — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.61.189.192 (talk) 18:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck.Template:Z25

How to edit wiki page?

Hello, When I try to edit page,save it and when i get back to that page everythins is ok but when I load page after few minutes everything is gone.

This is that page. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Flughafen_Wien&stable=0&shownotice=1&fromsection=Einzelnachweise

And if you go to bottom of page where it says Einzelnachweise you will find a list of websites. Im trying to add mine to that list. I found site like mine in that list so mine site belongs there also.

Can anyone please help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.119.119 (talk) 19:48, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

This is the help desk for English-language Wikipedia, and your question is about German-language Wikipedia, where they have different rules. But I suspect that advertisements for taxi companies are as unwelcome there as they would be here. Maproom (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

(ec)This is the Help Desk for the English Wikipedia, we cannot help you with problems on the German Wikipedia, however a look at the history of the article will show that your edits have been reverted by other editors. You can discuss the reasons on their Talk pages. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:07, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

If advertisment for taxi company is unwelcome why is the taxi company in list using keywords important for SEO.I just wanted to add a link for my website,without anchor text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.119.119 (talk) 20:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean by the last question. Wikipedia (at least the English Wikipedia) does not care about SEO, and if you care about it you shouldn't be at Wikipedia. The last person who reverted your edited invited you to look at de:WP:WEB. --ColinFine (talk) 22:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Einzelnachweise means references. It's a list of references for the content of the article. If you click the arrow ↑ next to a reference then you get to the place it's used, where the reference number is shown. References are auto-numbered by their placement in the article. Your link is not a reference and absolutely doesn't belong in a reference section. It also seems inappropriate for the much smaller weblinks section. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:29, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

The German Wikipedia's Help page is there, please use that page, not this one. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikibooks

I just noticed that http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Category:Recipes could use a new template like Template:Large category TOC which doesn't seem to exist over there. I would try and fumble through it myself but don't want to break anything.--Canoe1967 (talk) 21:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

That seems completely unnecessary. There are only 2740 pages in the category, corresponding to 14 category pages. Most letters use less than a page. Template:Large category TOC would make it much harder to navigate the category when you have to scroll the TOC to get to a letter. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I just tried pages in "C" and they didn't all fit, I thought they were cats.

Resolved

--Canoe1967 (talk) 00:11, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.119.119 (talk) 08:51, 1 May 2013 (UTC) 

ok.Thanks everybody for answers and your time.

Disambiguation page vs. set index

What's the difference between a disambiguation page and a set index? Revolution1221 ^{(talk · email · contributions)} 21:45, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure what you mean by a set index. Do you mean the table of contents at the top of a typical Wikipedia page? If so, whether to use a table of contents for the multiple sections and subsections or a disambiguation page depends on whether it should be one article, or multiple articles about different subjects that have the same name. Can you clarify? Robert McClenon (talk) 22:28, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Revolution (and, sort of, Robert): Does WP:SETINDEX answer your question(s)? If you still have questions after looking at that, you can come back here with more specific questions. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:32, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

That's clear enough to me. Both are lists. A set index is a list of things of the same type, possibly with different names. A disambiguation page is a list of things with the same or similar names that may be of different types. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:43, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

For instance, Lake Erie will take the reader to the article about one of the Great Lakes. It has a disambiguation page that lists other things with the name Lake Erie (disambiguation), which include a United States Navy cruiser. A list of United States Navy cruisers would be a set index. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:42, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

May 1

How to add References

How to add references to the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ravi ank (talk • contribs) 07:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

You'll find guidance at WP:Referencing for beginners. - David Biddulph (talk) 07:05, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

want change User:Bazarsarkar to Boikart

Hi , Please help to know how we can change User:Bazarsarkar to Boikart. We have created a wiki page in below link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Bazarsarkar

Thanks And Regards, S Giri — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bazarsarkar (talk • contribs) 07:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. Dismas|^(talk) 09:17, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

No, Dismas, you've misunderstood what Bazarsarkar wants. They have created a draft article in their user page.

Bazarsarkar, the way to do this is to move the page, but do not do this yet: your article is not ready, and will certainly get deleted if you move it to mainspace now, because it has no references to establish notability. Please read WP:YFA and WP:CORP. However, it will reduce confusion if you first move it to a user sandbox, such as User:Bazarsarkar/Boikart (red because that does not at present exist): it will still be in your user space, but separate from your user page, which is meant to contain information about you as a Wikipedia editor. One more point: if "we" means that several people are sharing an account, please be aware that this is contrary to Wikipedia policy: please create individual accounts. --ColinFine (talk) 11:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Well, Dismas misunderstood the request because it wasn't clear. However, if I understand what is being discussed, there may also be conflict of interest issues. Robert McClenon (talk) 11:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

It wasn't clear because people new to Wikipedia often don't understand a lot of things about how Wikipedia works, in this case user pages (and promotion). Please don't bite. --ColinFine (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Robert McClenon suggests that you may also be involved with boikart.com, I guess because your draft article says "We". If this is so, you need to read WP:Conflict of interest as well. --ColinFine (talk) 12:52, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone have a copy of the book "British Hit Singles & Albums"?

I'm trying to find out what it says for the E-Zee Possee and MC Kinky articles, and possibly other related articles (Generations of Love, Everything Starts With An 'E', Get Over It (MC Kinky song) etc). Anyone have that or any other related books?--Launchballer 14:54, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Try Wikisource, they might have it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

They don't.--Launchballer 09:28, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

User:Derek R Bullamore will have it, so you could ask him, but he's away for a few days at the moment. This site probably has the information you're looking for. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The information I'm looking for is paragraphs; it would appear that much of the content in E-Zee Possee which is sourced to the book is on MC Kinky (which I wrote and want to expand into at least pass-class (C) so anything which can be extracted from the book will be really useful.--Launchballer 09:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Liverpool 1

Can you please amend the information on the page accessed via the link below.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liverpool_1_(TV_series)

The creators of Liverpool 1 are Simon Burke and Colin McKeown.

Please email to notify me of the amendments

Thanks

Colin — Preceding unsigned comment added by Colin McKeown (talk • contribs) 16:03, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

 Done -- Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

John Rattray (surgeon and golfer)

Hi Just had this accepted. How do I add categories? Thanks Papamac (talk) 16:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Pages can be categorized by adding [[Category:***]]. For example, if you want to add an article to Category:Living people, then you would add [[Category:Living people]] to the bottom of the page. Using hotcat is much easier. It can be found at the bottom of every page. To add a category, click the "(+)"-Link at the end of the category line. This will open the input box where you can enter a new category name. --Ushau97 (talk) 16:39, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Check page

Check this page If Day.

Someone messed it up changing the title of the seen paragraph Franco — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.45.133.253 (talk) 18:20, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That article is being subject to vandalism. It is the featured article for the day, and unfortunately featured articles sometimes attract the attention of network low-life. I have requested semi-protection, which will prevent it from being edited by non-logged-in users. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The vandalism was coming from a school district in Florida. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:16, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Protection Request Question

However, I tried using the template that was used, and it didn't work. Is there something special that I am supposed to do to request page protection? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:59, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Did you make a request at WP:RPP.--ukexpat (talk) 19:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but it didn't format the way the other requests were formatted. The request was then cleaned up and declined as not an unmanageable amount of vandalism for a featured article. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:37, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Cite template and others not working

When editting, i am trying to use the Cite templates and they are not appearing. My pop blocker is off and i am using windows explorer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirk3636 (talk • contribs) 19:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Brewery Ommegang looks OK. --  Gadget850 ^talk 19:35, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Looks good here, I am using FireFox though. The template format it's self looks fine also. Mlpearc (powwow) 20:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Strange redirect issue

Ok, I used 'cite isbn', and then filled it out, but when I created the template I somehow dropped the check digit from the end. I moved the template once I noticed it, and my citation displays fine (the cite isbn in the article is now pointing at the new, correct location) but the 'edit' link next to it goes to a redirect at the old location, which seems really strange to me. Can someone tell or show me how to fix this? The article is Rittenhouse Elementary School, and it's the only source with an ISBN. Thank you. Revent (talk) 20:08, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Dammit, nevermind. I just found the note way down in the 'technical details' of the doc for cite isbn that was I was trying to 'fix' because I though it was a typo is a 'feature'. Sigh. Now I need to move it back. Revent (talk) 20:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Trying to correct a team's logo

I have been trying to figure out how to correct the Oakland Athletics cap logo, which is incorrect. The logo should be this one: http://www.brandprofiles.com/oakland-athletics-cap-logo-3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cheesesteaks3 (talk • contribs) 20:14, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The first step would be to upload the current logo to en:wikipedia, or if possible to Wikipedia Commons. But there may be a problem with the copyright of the logo. I hope some better-informed editor can give advice. Maproom (talk) 22:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

As a general rule, any logo has to be uploaded here under a Fair use claim. Mdann52 (talk) 12:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

"As a general rule" meaning "protected by copyright". There are many logos that are not protected by copyright (eg too simple) on Commons, see commons:Category:Logos of companies and its subcats.--ukexpat (talk) 13:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If I had to make a guess, I would say that their logo is likely not protected by Copyright given how simple it is. That being said, I am not a lawyer. I would think though that it would be fine on Commons. Zell Faze (talk) 16:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Watchlist

Not too sure where this should go, but I figure this is the best place: I've been using my watchlist a lot recently, especially after getting involved in AfD, AN/I, and such. I was wondering if there is a way to filter out the results on the watchlist to only one specific section of a page, specifically, the section in which I was engaged in AN/I - I don't really need this for AfD though since those are transcluded pages (I think). I've seen WP:HIDEPAGES, but I don't think this is exactly what I'm after. Any ideas? Thanks, Ansh666 20:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Might I add, this page is now clogging my watchlist as well Ansh666 22:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

This isn't possible, though it has been requested many times. See Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Watchlist changes, fourth sub-section, for more details and links to other discussions. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Requesting a Class C block be blocked for vandalism

Is it possible to request that a range of IP addresses, rather than an IP address, be blocked for vandalism? There is a considerable amount of vandalism coming from multiple IP addresses in a range assigned to a school system in Florida. (Also, am I correct that if an IP address is blocked, that does not block a registered user who is logged on from the IP address? If a teacher at the school system wants to make legitimate edits to an article from her registered account, would that be permitted?) Robert McClenon (talk) 21:07, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

In extreme cases, it is possible to block a range of IP addresses. There isn't a specific place to request range blocks, but you might try posting the WP:Administrator's noticeboard. A user using a blocked IP address will be blocked too unless the user requests a WP:IP block exemption. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 21:12, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Since vandalism is involved, WP:AIV? Ansh666 21:21, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

The templates at AIV are for an IP address and for a registered user. I expect that if I were to put an asterisk in the last octet of the IP address, I would get an error. Also, if it would block the entire range including for logged-on users, it sounds like a more extreme action than is needed against middle-school vandals. If it were a vandal-bot, like Willy on Wheels, that would be different. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

AIV is only for simple cases of obvious vandalism, and also range blocks usually require CheckUser attention since they may affect many other (potentially innocent) users. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 21:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah, didn't know that, thanks. Ansh666 21:32, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

That is actually false. Most rangeblocks are soft blocks which allow accounts to edit on them. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of that... thanks for the clarification. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 05:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

In that case, soft blocks are exactly what should be done when there is continuing vandalism from a school system, which will permit teachers or administrators with registered accounts to make constructive edits. Since the vandalism appears to have stopped, I won't request soft blocks unless the vandalism restarts. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Abuse

hi,dear wikipedia staff,am sorry to inform you that your website have been used by some people for political issues and for misleading people,specificly in the article about (Massoud Barzani) in the section of(Criticism and Massoud barzani's family)most of the things that are written about him are not true and not proven and were written by someone that wants to get some political advantage from this,massoud barzani is a beloved politician in kurdistan region of iraq,he was elected as president in a transparent election that was observed by baghdad government and by UN members and he got 70% of the votes,he is the son of mustafa barzani which is the spertual father of the kurdish nation,I know that your website is open to people and any one can write articles in it but I hope that you dont allow people to abuse this beautiful website for personal benifits and for distortion of the name of leaders that are loved by large number of people. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.91.195.105 (talk) 21:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

This would appear to be an issue with biographies of living persons issue if I understand correctly, especially if false information has been included. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:44, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I've created a section at WP:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. It would be helpful if you could edit the section to provide details of what is wrong with the article. You can also go to the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:06, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Watch List: Who can have one?

Is the ability to maintain a Watch List limited to confirmed users? I created a legimitate alternate account to test the notification changes, but I can't put pages on its watch list. Do I need to wait until I have replied to the confirming email, or is something else wrong here? Robert McClenon (talk) 21:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

All registered users can have watchlists. What happens with the alternate account? You can see a list of all watched pages at Special:EditWatchlist. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

I confirmed the alternate account, and I still can't add articles to the watch list from the page tab. I can edit the raw watch list manually, but that is a nuisance. Is there a setting that I need to set? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:20, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I wonder whether you have changed settings in your normal account and forgotten how it works by default. Do you have a tab with a star in the new account? If yes, what happens when you click it? PrimeHunter (talk) 00:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

There is a tab with a star, and it does watch or unwatch the page. Thank you. However, how do I get a "History" and a "Watch" tab to appear at the top of the page? I did that to my main account a few years ago apparently, and I don't remember how exactly. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

a misdirection

On the Canadian Agriculture page in the table of different crops - specifically 'PULSE' crops = the PULSE is blue which is an indication that you can travel to find out more about your subject... I wanted to know more about pulse crops in Canada - but when i clicked on the blue PULSE - i was directed to the biology of Pulse (heartbeat) in the human body... perhaps someone could check that and correct it! Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.210.208 (talk) 23:47, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Fixed - thanks for pointing this out. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

May 2

hey there

Hey there,

I was wondering how to go about getting my own wikipedia page started? My name is mentioned on several other people's wikipedia pages, but is not linked to my OWN page. Can you let me know how to get this started? Thanks!

Here is my website if you need to see some stuff!

www.aijiamusic.com

Aijia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.90.130.162 (talk) 00:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

In order to have an article in Wikipedia, the subject must be notable. See WP:MUSIC for details. If you meet those guidelines, you can request that someone create an article for you at WP:RA. RudolfRed (talk) 01:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL This template may help with sources.--Canoe1967 (talk) 02:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Long Road to Heaven Movie credits

Dear Wikipedia, The Actor credits of the stars of LONG ROAD TO HEAVEN produced by Kalyanashira films Credit John O'Hare the Scottish Footballer as one of the stars when it is John O'Hare Actor see John O'Hare IMDB Database. John O'Hare Australian Actor should be credited his biog is on IMDB Movie Database. Best Wishes John O'Hare — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.151.5.83 (talk) 00:51, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1917151/ doesn't have an article here yet. You seem notable enough and someone may wish to create one. I will remove the wikilink in the movie for now.--Canoe1967 (talk) 01:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I put the link back - with a disambiguator as it already was done in the "Cast and crew" section. I will now start an article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

There is now a stub at John O'Hare (actor) please feel free to add to it. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Search for multiple tags

I would like to search for changes tagged with col-spam or autobiography. I tried putting both tags in the tag filter box with no extra operators, with anOR operator and with an OR operator and with the terms inside ()s. None of these worked. How do I find recent changes that have been tagged with one or more tags? DouglasCalvert (talk) 02:18, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:CATSCAN?--ukexpat (talk) 14:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Where do i find information on article views

Where do I find information on how many people view specific articles hour-by-hour?66.108.67.68 (talk) 02:52, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Go to the "View history" page for the article, and there you will find a link to see page views. It's per-day. I dont think there is a hour-by-hour view, but you might be able to get it from the raw data you can download. RudolfRed (talk) 04:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If you need hour by hour data, you could try to send a message to the Wikimedia Analytics mailing list they might be able to help out. Zell Faze (talk) 12:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Updating a wiki page on myself

Hi

There is an old wiki page on myself that is really out of date in terms of info. Can I get someone to update this, as I know I can't do it myself (conflict of interest)?

Cheers — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.56.42.109 (talk) 03:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Request edit may help.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:09, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

So where would I add that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.56.42.109 (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

On the talk page of the article in question. The template has a link to the guide at Template:Request edit/COIinstructions. - David Biddulph (talk) 03:35, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The instructions need work. I just added Template_talk:Request_edit#More_detail.--Canoe1967 (talk) 03:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I wish to report a poster- IP address 118.210.109.199 -reason spamming my userpage-

I wish to report this anonymous user IP address 118.210.109.199 Reason- this user who appears to be anonymous spammed edited my user page Andreaborman see here- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Andreaborman&oldid=528133540 I had to delete my page because it was edited and I want you to ban the ip of the above user.As I don't think it's right that someone can just come along and edit MY User page and that users post was clearly spam. I reported this to a moderator here on your Talk Page months ago but nothing was done about this.So i have had to move and delete my userpage to avoid other users editing it and posting inappropriate content on it. I should have at least been given the option to lock my page but it seems there's no option to do that here. Please could you ban or block the IP of that user. Andrea Borman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andreaborman (talk • contribs) 05:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The bad edits were made last December, and no other edits have been made from that IP address since then. Although you could request a block by posting at WP:AIV, it will be rejected as "stale". As the blocking policy states, "Blocks should not be used ... where there is no current conduct issue of concern".

It is possible to stop anonymous editors editing your user page. You could request that at WP:RFPP, but, again, I suspect that the admins there would be unwilling to apply protection when the damage was done so many months ago. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You'd be surprised ;) I'm happy to protect it for 6 months. Worm^TT(talk) 10:16, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

how do I delete an article and article title

How can you delete my article and title? --76.172.97.1 (talk) 05:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Brandon Duran(aged 12)

Only our administrators can delete articles. Which article do you want deleted? (And why?) Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 05:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

This may, perhaps, refer to the userspace draft at User:Brandonworld/Lidia Kopach? - David Biddulph (talk) 10:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hindi article

Hi. I tried to read the History of Europe in Wikipedia in my own language in Hindi and am very disappointed to find that the content largely vary in terms of meaning. Also the content in Hindi is very less as compared to that in English. Varsha Sharma — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.168.114.69 (talk) 06:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If you believe that you can improve the Hindi article, and if you have reliable sources to support your proposed changes, I would suggest that you go ahead and do so. - David Biddulph (talk) 10:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The Sheriffs Are Coming

The Sheriffs Are Coming I have made two edits to this page, both of which have been reverted and I am not sure why. My second attempt was just to add the names of the enforcement officers taking part in the second series - I am not sure why this factual information has been disallowed, so any advice welcomed! Cscaramanga (talk) 11:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)cscaramangaCscaramanga (talk) 11:58, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The editor who reverted ought to have given a reason, but your changes are more likely to survive if you provide an edit summary and if you include a reference to a reliable source to satisfy Wikipedia's requirement for verifiability. - David Biddulph (talk) 12:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Obviously Inaccurate (but widespread) Material

I'm currently doing research to update the article on Creagerstown. I noticed that one of the sources that the article currently cites includes the following text:

NOTE: The name of John Cramer as the founder of Creagerstown in other resources is an error.

— CREAGERSTOWN, FREDERICK CO., MD , in x, x, Audrey Shields Hancock

From what I have seen in my research, this statement is accurate. Most of the sources that I have read state that the town was Founded by John Creager; only one book source I have found at the library says John Cramer, and even that source mentions it being John Creager later on. I suspect that this book is where the error stems from as it is widely used for research about the towns in the area.

How should I handle this? Should I just treat it as though the book says John Creager, or should I note that some sources state it was John Cramer? Or would it better to just not cite that particular section of that source? I would like to use some of the other information that is on that page, but I know if someone goes back to check the source they will see the mistaken John Cramer instead of John Creager. Any advice would be helpful. Thank you. Zell Faze (talk) 12:36, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You aren't forced to cite every single source. What makes a source reliable is that its information can be trusted. Where information is demonstrably wrong (preferably with reference to other sources), that calls into direct question the reliability of that source. The whole point of "verifiability" is that something has the ability to have its truthfulness confirmed: truthfulness is a precondition for being verifiable (break apart the word: veri- from "Veritas" or truth, -ify- meaning "to make" and -able "has the ability to"). When you see "Verifiability not truth..." mantra spoken around Wikipedia, what that means is that "Truth by itself is inadequate. What matters is the ability to confirm something is true". If it isn't true, it isn't verifiable, by definition. --Jayron32 12:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Jayron, I am saving that brilliant explanation in my clipboard manager and I shall plagiarise it shamelessly! Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 14:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I suspect that the issue in that source is that it is a typo and is thus reliable for the remaining information in the text. Thank you for your explanation. I think then that the solution will be to omit that as a source for the name of the founder, but continue to use it as a source for other information about the town. That is the only spot that I have found that it doesn't match the other sources (except of course sources derived from it, which carry the same mistake). Thank you. Zell Faze (talk) 15:03, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

John Laing disambiguation page

Hi there,

I am a PR professional (working for an external agency) representing John Laing plc and have an edit I would like to make to the "John Laing" page. The section I am looking to edit is the disambiguation page . At the moment it describes John Laing plc as a "British developer and construction company." John Laing haven't actually built anything for a number of years since they sold their building arm, and so this descriptor is no longer accurate. I would like to change this to "infrastructure asset manager and investor" as per the descriptor found at the bottom of the company's press releases (one example of this can be found here: ) - what is the best way of going about this?

References

I have already posted this on the "Talk" page as I understand that is the best place to start, but so far received no response.

I am keen to go about this according to the appropriate guidelines, so any advice would be much appreciated.

Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards Sdmpwct (talk) 12:45, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

First, let me commend you for being prudent here; we ask that PR representatives and others with a conflict of interest do exactly as you are, which is to avoid directly editing the text of articles whose subjects they are directly involved with. It is quite refreshing as an experienced Wikipedia editor to see someone doing it "right". It makes it easier to help you. Now, I'd like to help, but I'm not exactly sure what sort of fixing you need doing. There's two articles here: John Laing, as you note, is a disambiguation page used to point readers to the correct article where a bunch of articles share the same or similar names. John Laing plc is the article about the specific company you represent. Do you need to change something at the John Laing plc article or just at the John Laing disambiguation page? And, most importantly, do you have reliable sources so we can verify the changes you wish to see made? If you can answer those two questions, I think we can move forward fairly easily. --Jayron32 12:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The place to suggest changes is on the talk page of the relevant article, so in this case Talk:John Laing. The place where you posted the message yesterday was on your own user talk page, and people interested in the John Laing article won't have seen your message there. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

... and I think that you intended to provide a reference, so I have taken the liberty of modifying your question accordingly. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help so far. The content of the actual John Laing plc page is fine, it's just the descriptor on the disambiguation page. I would like to change the description from "British develop and construction company" to "infrastructure asset manager and investor." The best reference for this would probably be the "notes to editors" at the bottom of any of their press releases. Thank you very much user:David Biddulph for including the full link above - here it is again.

I will raise this on the Talk:John Laing page as suggested by user:David Biddulph. User:Jayron - does my explanation above answer your questions, and if so is Talk:John Laing still the best way of going about this?

Thanks again for your help Sdmpwct (talk) 13:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Why not just change the description to "British company"? That would avoid any argument about whether and how to describe its activities; or, indent it under "John Laing (businessman)" and describe it as "the company that he founded".--ukexpat (talk) 14:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I've just implemented the recommendation of ukexpat, for a couple of reasons 1) Indenting the entry makes it clear the relationship between the person and the company. 2) Being more general seems to be better here for a couple of reasons. Firstly, the phrase "infrastructure asset manager and investor" sounds like industrial jargon bordering on technobabble, that is while to someone working for the company may understand such phrasing, the average reader will not be able to parse that description in a meaningful way. I'm pretty sure that's why the phrase "construction company" was used. Most people understand what a construction company does (A company that builds things). Most people would have a hard time understanding what an "infrastructure asset manager" does, so perhaps having a more detailed descriptor isn't overly helpful. People who search for "John Laing" when they are looking for that company should be able to find it easily on the disambiguation page, and if they read the article they can find out what the company does anyways. I hope this works. --Jayron32 15:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Like--ukexpat (talk) 16:00, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

A small point, but you will probably have noticed that your attempt to show the reference above has merely produced ^[1] without showing the information or an active link. To get the information to show it needs a {{reflist}}, or (as this is a talk page) better {{reflist-talk}} as I used in my addition to your original question. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:11, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I need a copy write date for my daughters report

I need a copy write date for my daughters report on Giant Pandas we can not fine any dates and she must list one for her sources — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.102.194.154 (talk) 13:31, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for information on how to properly cite Wikipedia when using it as a source for things like school reports. --Jayron32 13:37, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You didn't state the class of your daughter, and it isn't really any of my business. However, it is my opinion that a student in high school should not be citing Wikipedia as a source (with some exceptions) If in middle school, it might be OK, as part of a long term plan to teach students how to write papers, but even there, it may not be a good idea. Wikipedia is a great resource, but if your daughter found something useful inGiant panda, she should be looking for the reference, reviewing that to make sure the facts are valid, and then using the reference as her source. the reference should have a date on it. In the rara cases that a reference to Wikipedia is valid (such as an article about Wikipedia) then one should go to the history of the article, and get the perma-link to a version on a particular day, use that as the reference, and that date as the date. (As a minor aside, it is copyright, not copywrite.)--SPhilbrick(Talk) 13:56, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Benjamin Neil

Someone created a Wikidedia page WITHOUT my consent Another individual attempted to add items of my personal history at 2 am last evening At 4 am, they were deleted The information remaining is derogatory and "allegations" at best The process involved is a University "confidential" personnel matter I strongly (but respectfully) request that the page for Benjamin Neil be removed I would also like to know who had authority to create this page? Thanks you !! Benjamin Neil — Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.160.141.12 (talk) 13:47, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I assume that you are referring to Benjamin A. Neil (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)? The consent of the subject of an article is not required, but any contentious material must be supported by references to published reliable sources. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Your consent is not required to create an article, any more than your consent is required for a reporter to write a story about you. if there are error s in the article, we should address that. please identify the problems on the articles talk page, and/or report to the Norticeboard. --SPhilbrick(Talk) 14:02, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

As was mentioned, your consent is not required to create an article. However, Wikipedia has strict standards about biographies of living persons. As was mentioned, you may go to the noticeboard and request assistance, and may go to the article talk page. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:11, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

pimenta racemosa information

I don't know how to edit here but the information about the pimenta racemosa tree or bay rum tree has some very serious errors or contain some erroneous information. Two of the most glaring are that it is not an invasive species that takes over,it is a tree that does not do well outside of the caribbean and must be physically planted and bay rum is not the same as rum. They are two totally different products not even closely related as one comes for sugarcane,molasses, and one comes from the oil of the leaves of the bay rum tree and it's oil is toxic. How do I edit these entries as I don't know coding? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.99.193.109 (talk) 14:25, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If you don't feel brave enough to try editing the page yourself (perhaps after reading Wikipedia:Tutorial), you could always explain your proposed changes at Talk:Pimenta racemosa, providing references to published reliable sources to support your proposals. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:46, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Is someone notified when I edit a page?

I'm doing a paper on Wikipedia and I was wondering.. If I (or anyone else) edit a page, will someone be automatically notified so that they can check the legitimacy of my edit? Or will it just appear on someone's watchlist ?

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ilovecats1378 (talk • contribs) 14:59, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If it's not a user page they will only see it in their watchlist. If it's a userpage then they get an orange banner (or they used to, i'm not sure if that's now changed) letting them know and an entry on the watchlist. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 15:06, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

The orange alert has been replaced by WP:Notifications, but you can bring it back with this javascript.--ukexpat (talk) 16:05, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Additionally all changes show up on the Recent Changes page. There is a group of users known as the Recent changes patrol that keep an eye on that page to look for anything that is blatantly wrong or blatantly vandalism. Zell Faze (talk) 15:48, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Meta login not working

Why doesn't my meta login work at http://wikimediadc.org/wiki/Grants.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

A Wikimedia account does not mean that you can login to all Wikimedia Chapters by that account. You can login using that account in sites where there is a little a WIKIMEDIA project picture at the bottom-right of every page next to Powered by MediaWiki like wmuk:. But as you can see, in http://wikimediadc.org/ there is no a WIKIMEDIA project at the bottom right. You will have to manually create an account on the Chapter itself. And for future reference, Wikimedia chapters do not represent the Foundation legally. They are separate and independent legal entities, only liable for the work they accomplish in their jurisdiction. --Ushau97 (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Can someone create a Wikipedia page for me?

Is it possible to get wikipedia pages made for a young up and coming NASCAR driver. I have tried to create it myself however I am having some complications. How would I go about completing this task? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jluchkiw (talk • contribs) 16:17, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Are you the subject of the page that you want created? If so, you should get someone else to create it for you, because of the autobiography policy. It will need to be accompanied by reliable sources and you will need to meet the notability criteria. You can go to Articles for Creation to make your request, if someone agrees that you meet the notability criteria. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I guess that this may refer to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Dylan Kwasniewski - David Biddulph (talk) 16:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

(ec) The subject of an article needs to be notable. See WP:NMOTORSPORT for some guidance. If you are "up and coming" you may not qualify yet. If you do, you can request an article at WP:RA RudolfRed (talk) 16:24, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Are videos of a trailer and a release date a reliable source?

So, I'm going to edit a video game article, but I just wanted to make sure that a video/ trailer would be a reliable source for a release date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deviljho12 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Henry W. Bloch page

On the following page - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_W._Bloch - the third item in the References list is a broken link. This link http://www.bloch.umkc.edu/about-the-bloch-school/about-henry-bloch/index.aspx needs to be changed to http://bloch.umkc.edu/about-us/fast-facts.aspx or removed as a Reference.

Unfortunately I have been unable do either. Thank you for your time.