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Table cell contents spilling over.

. When viewing the following table in the mobile version of the site, some text from the first column spills over into the adjacent cell of the second column.

Team	Constructor	Chassis	Power unit	Tyre	No.	Drivers
Scuderia Ferrari	Ferrari	SF15-T	Ferrari	P	5 7	Sebastian Vettel Kimi Räikkönen
Sahara Force India F1 Team	Force India-Mercedes	VJM08	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	11 27	Sergio Pérez Nico Hülkenberg
Lotus F1 Team	Lotus-Mercedes	E23 Hybrid	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	8 13	Romain Grosjean Pastor Maldonado
Manor Marussia F1 Team	Marussia-Ferrari	TBA	Ferrari 059/3	P	TBA TBA	Will Stevens TBA
McLaren Honda	McLaren-Honda	MP4-30	Honda RA615H Hybrid	P	14 22	Fernando Alonso Jenson Button
Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team	Mercedes	F1 W06 Hybrid	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	6 44	Nico Rosberg Lewis Hamilton
Infiniti Red Bull Racing	Red Bull-Renault	RB11	Renault Energy F1-2015	P	3 26	Daniel Ricciardo Daniil Kvyat
Sauber F1 Team	Sauber-Ferrari	C34	Ferrari	P	9 12	Marcus Ericsson Felipe Nasr
Scuderia Toro Rosso	Toro Rosso-Renault	STR10	Renault Energy F1-2015	P	33 55	Max Verstappen Carlos Sainz Jr.
Williams Martini Racing	Williams-Mercedes	FW37	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	19 77	Felipe Massa Valtteri Bottas
Source:

Anyone got an idea what's causing this and/or how to solve this. Tvx1 22:24, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I don't have a mobile device and it looks right for me in both desktop and https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&mobileaction=toggle_view_mobile. The table has a coding error in {{nowrap|{{nowrap|Mercedes PU106B Hybrid}} which should only have one {{nowrap}}. Does it help to remove that:

Team	Constructor	Chassis	Power unit	Tyre	No.	Drivers
Scuderia Ferrari	Ferrari	SF15-T	Ferrari	P	5 7	Sebastian Vettel Kimi Räikkönen
Sahara Force India F1 Team	Force India-Mercedes	VJM08	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	11 27	Sergio Pérez Nico Hülkenberg
Lotus F1 Team	Lotus-Mercedes	E23 Hybrid	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	8 13	Romain Grosjean Pastor Maldonado
Manor Marussia F1 Team	Marussia-Ferrari	TBA	Ferrari 059/3	P	TBA TBA	Will Stevens TBA
McLaren Honda	McLaren-Honda	MP4-30	Honda RA615H Hybrid	P	14 22	Fernando Alonso Jenson Button
Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team	Mercedes	F1 W06 Hybrid	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	6 44	Nico Rosberg Lewis Hamilton
Infiniti Red Bull Racing	Red Bull-Renault	RB11	Renault Energy F1-2015	P	3 26	Daniel Ricciardo Daniil Kvyat
Sauber F1 Team	Sauber-Ferrari	C34	Ferrari	P	9 12	Marcus Ericsson Felipe Nasr
Scuderia Toro Rosso	Toro Rosso-Renault	STR10	Renault Energy F1-2015	P	33 55	Max Verstappen Carlos Sainz Jr.
Williams Martini Racing	Williams-Mercedes	FW37	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	19 77	Felipe Massa Valtteri Bottas
Source:

Does it help to remove all nowrap (may be controversial in an article), or for simplicity replace them by {{identity}} as here:

Team	Constructor	Chassis	Power unit	Tyre	No.	Drivers
Scuderia Ferrari	Ferrari	SF15-T	Ferrari	P	5 7	Sebastian Vettel Kimi Räikkönen
Sahara Force India F1 Team	Force India-Mercedes	VJM08	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	11 27	Sergio Pérez Nico Hülkenberg
Lotus F1 Team	Lotus-Mercedes	E23 Hybrid	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	8 13	Romain Grosjean Pastor Maldonado
Manor Marussia F1 Team	Marussia-Ferrari	TBA	Ferrari 059/3	P	TBA TBA	Will Stevens TBA
McLaren Honda	McLaren-Honda	MP4-30	Honda RA615H Hybrid	P	14 22	Fernando Alonso Jenson Button
Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team	Mercedes	F1 W06 Hybrid	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	6 44	Nico Rosberg Lewis Hamilton
Infiniti Red Bull Racing	Red Bull-Renault	RB11	Renault Energy F1-2015	P	3 26	Daniel Ricciardo Daniil Kvyat
Sauber F1 Team	Sauber-Ferrari	C34	Ferrari	P	9 12	Marcus Ericsson Felipe Nasr
Scuderia Toro Rosso	Toro Rosso-Renault	STR10	Renault Energy F1-2015	P	33 55	Max Verstappen Carlos Sainz Jr.
Williams Martini Racing	Williams-Mercedes	FW37	Mercedes PU106B Hybrid	P	19 77	Felipe Massa Valtteri Bottas
Source:

PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

References
References

Thanks for mentioning that coding error. That didn't cause the problem however. Actually it did not do any harm at all. If you click on the link to the mobile view and then reduce the width of your browser screen to the minimum you will see the text from the first column spilling over. Using the identity template doesn't solve it. Tvx1 05:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

I already tried the minimum width on mobile and it works for me. I get a horizontal scroll bar and no overlap. I will stop guessing. It's too hard when I don't have the problem. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Since I'm not able to explain the issue with text, I have made a screenshot:

As you can see, content from the first column is spilling over into the second. Tvx1 21:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't spill over for me. Based on the amount of spillover in your screenshot, maybe your browser doesn't reserve space for the flag icon when the column width is calculated. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Multiple user have reported this to me though, regardless of which browser they use. Tvx1 06:54, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Family tree template problem

Hi. There seems to be a problem in the way that the Family tree template it is displayed. An extra line appear at the bottom right of some boxes. Error picture, or an other exemple is here. Can someone fix it, please. Daduxing (talk) 13:27, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

The local Xia dynasty example renders without the line overflows just fine here (Win 8.1 & IE 11).

Could it be the 2011 script you're importing via your Vector.js file that is somehow causing this for you? -- George Orwell III (talk) 13:51, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't thik so. I have logged out and then i checked from the laptop and is displaying the same way on both cases. Here is a picture with Xia tree with the lines in red circle (Xia exemple). The problem was also mentioned by someone else. I don't think that the problem is from my account/PC Daduxing (talk) 14:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Update: It is displaying well in Internet Explorer 9. Could be a Firefox problem??... Daduxing (talk) 14:14, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

It is displaying fine in Chrome, as well. I do not have Firefox to test. Please use a different example hosting service - that one seems to be broken. Mamyles (talk) 14:23, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Other hosting service: Exemple 1 ; Exemple 2 --Daduxing (talk) 14:47, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Why does the hosting service need to be third-party - is there any reason that a Wikipedia screenshot is unsuitable? --Redrose64 (talk) 15:40, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Done it. I didn't know that I can use wikipedia image upload for this kind of files --Daduxing (talk) 16:01, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

This appears to be an issue with the combination of border-collapse and colspan in Firefox. Alakzi (talk) 16:10, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I cannot reproduce on Firefox 36. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 08:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

I've fixed it. Alakzi (talk) 11:46, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

{{family tree}} is deprecated. Use {{chart}} instead. The latter's usage is almost exactly the same barring a few minor documented differences. Jason Quinn (talk) 19:56, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Citation backlinks

I just noted on a page I edited (Development Alternatives with Women for a New Era) that references no longer contain backlinks to the text that uses them. Is this a bug, or a new feature? (If it's a feature, count me as one who doesn't like!). I'm using IE9 with the MonoBook skin. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:01, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

The links appear to be present for me on that page with both Vector and Monobook on Chrome. I don't use IE so I can't test that, but if you still see a problem, you might try looking with a different browser and/or skin to see if you can nail down when the issue occurs for you. You could also try looking at the page while logged-out. Dragons flight (talk) 17:21, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

The "Near this page" beta feature caused this, but I no longer see it as an option. Try bypass your cache. --  Gadget850 ^talk 17:35, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Switching to Vector skin doesn't help. Nor does clearing the cache. I don't have access to another browser at the moment. I'll try again when I'm at my home computer. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:56, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

What do you have selected at Preferences → Beta features? --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:31, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Nothing. And none of the selections available would appear to affect this feature. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:12, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

how about when you are logged out? --  Gadget850 ^talk 13:36, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Not there when I'm logged out, but interestingly, when I logged back in, having been on a page already, I was returned to that page after login, and the backlinks appeared briefly before disappearing. Something in the CSS is doing it, but I couldn't say what, and it's present both in the default (logged out) CSS as well as the MonoBook CSS. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 14:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Do you see text from here——to here? --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:06, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

This appears to be an IE9 issue. Things look fine here on my home PC using Firefox. @Gadget850: I'll have to check whether I can see that text tomorrow when I'm back at my office PC. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 03:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Now back on my work PC, the "mw-cite-backlink" class appears invisible. Gotta love non-standards-compliant IE9!!! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 12:06, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Works for me in IE11. I need to install a VM with IE9 and test in a bit. --  Gadget850 ^talk 12:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

But it does not show for IE9. This is a fresh VM from Microsoft. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:12, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I I do a user page with just <span class="mw-cite-backlink">Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.</span> then the content of the span shows. If I add a <ref> anywhere, then it shows briefly. --  Gadget850 ^talk 15:24, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

WFM in IE8 under XP, logged out. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

IE 7, 8, 10 and 11 all work. It is only IE9 that is affected. --  Gadget850 ^talk 20:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Ref name used twice but does not say a and b

Look at ref 2 in WHMA (AM).— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Looks OK to me. How about ref 13? What browser? --  Gadget850 ^talk 18:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I went on to something else. Nothing works. I went to another article World oil market chronology from 2003 I knew had references used several times because I added them. I was relieved to see them, along with the arrows pointing up, but then they (and the a and b) disappeared. I have IE9.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:19, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 and Vchimpanzee: I think I know what is going on, but I have a real life interrupt. Need to do some testing and I might just have a fix. --  Gadget850 ^talk 20:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Gadget850: No rush in my case. I can live with the system as is. It just seemed odd. Glad you're on it. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 20:42, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@WikiDan61 and Vchimpanzee: There were some recent accessibility changes to the Cite CSS that added user-select: none;.[1] This is not supposed to be supported by IE9 but, apparently it causes this to fail oddly.[2] Add this to your CSS and refresh:

.mw-cite-backlink, .cite-accessibility-label {display: inline}

--  Gadget850 ^talk 20:49, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't presently have any custom CSS defined. I'm not sure how or where to add this line. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

It works. Thank you. I had to go through my contibutions to find out how, but I knew I had seen a change I had to do recently.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiDan61, User:WikiDan61/common.css.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I took the liberty of creating it for you. Follow the instructions at the top of the page to refresh. --  Gadget850 ^talk 23:50, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Gadget850: Thank you. I'll check it when I'm back at the office in the morning. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 03:22, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

This was an interesting one to track down! Now documented at Help:Internet Explorer and T93319 (since anonymous readers can't apply CSS fixes). --  Gadget850 ^talk 06:45, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

@Gadget850: That worked for me (once I fixed the typo in my common.css file (you forgot the '.' before the mw-cite-backlink)). Thanks again! WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 11:59, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Copy/paste strikes again! You are welcome. --  Gadget850 ^talk 14:05, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Email throttle

Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)

Non-admin coordinators of The Wikipedia Library have been encountering issues with email rate limits - we often need to send multiples emails at a time, sometimes 30 or more. Since the account creator toolset currently includes an exemption from rate limits, granting that right to this small group of editors would be one means of overcoming this problem. Would this be feasible? If not, does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with this problem? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:02, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Has there historically been a widespread problem of users spamming others using the Wikipedia email function? If not, why does this limit exist? Without proof of a necessary cap being imposed, I'd rather raise the limit instead of granting more rights to individual users. Killiondude (talk) 20:12, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

There have definitely been instances of new users spamming; the only instances involving autoconfirmed users that I am aware of have involved research studies (example), though there may have been others. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

I think this question is better addressed at WP:VPT because it concerns the best way for certain non-admin individuals to be exempt from email throttling. Whether email has even been abused (yes) is a distraction. If the technical answer requires some change to policy, perhaps continue here, but I would have thought that if it were possible for a switch to be thrown someone could be found to do that in the case you describe. Johnuniq (talk) 22:57, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

There is no question about abuse in the past. I would like to know to if there has been widespread misuse. We deal with isolated incidents of misuse by blocking users. It would be nice to see the autoconfirmed users have an increased rate of emailing since I believe this issue has popped up before. But xaosflux's solution seems reasonable, as well. Killiondude (talk) 18:28, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, what rate of emailing would you consider to be reasonable, and how do we actually go about changing that? I think a bot might be a bit harder to manage, although that could be just because I'm not too familiar with bot operation. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:54, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Possibly to prevent forking you could get a bot (WP:BOTREQ) to it for you, you could also create a bot account that is just used manually for it (e.g. User:TWL Mailer bot or similar. It also appears that several of your coordinators are admin, who already have noratelimit. If you want to discuss more technical options lets move this to VPT. — xaosflux ^Talk 01:44, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, moving to VPT as suggested. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:40, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

WP:IAR, just grant the ACC userright. ACC isn't really meant for this purpose, but it would resolve the problem and improve the encyclopedia without hurting anything. It's quicker and simpler than filing a bot request, and it has far less policy restrictions than bots. Granting the bot flag would be weird for a manually used account, while nobody would think oddly of ACC for a human. Nyttend (talk) 13:18, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

I agree - there is no downside to granting account creator to trusted editors. I'm not even sure IAR is necessary, just have them apply for account creator via the normal process, with email throttling as the justification. Admins that specialize in that area could impose conditions, such as requiring such users not to participate in the request an account process, but likely won't flat-out deny the request. Mamyles (talk) 15:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Rollback confirmation

I'd like to propose a user preference to turn on a confirmation when using the rollback tool. I'm not the only one, as evidenced from the numerous previous discussions on this (linked below), that - especially from a mobile phone - has accidentally pressed the rollback button and rolled back a random edit without meaning to. To avoid this, I'd like to suggest that a yes/no confirmation, which could be exactly the same as the Thank yes/no confirmation, be added to the Rollback button. There were many users who expressed the fair opinion that rollback is meant to be quick and not require an extra click, so I think it makes sense for this to be an opt-in preference. Thoughts?

There have been a few previous discussions on the implementation of a confirmation when rolling back, which might be worth a quick read before responding here: Rollback option, iPhone and rollback, Rollback on Watchlist really needs to go..., Rollback popup?, Adding a confirmation dialog to the watchlist rollback link. Sam Walton (talk) 20:31, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

• Support I like the idea as an opt-in preference. For disabling rollback only on mobile devices, you can use a tiny script for that such as User:MusikAnimal/rollbackTouch.js. I could write another script equally as tiny to achieve the rollback confirmation you are after, but it would use the browser's confirm popup, with OK and Cancel buttons, rather than the little interface you see for thanking users. We could then add it as an opt-in gadget. — MusikAnimal ^talk 20:52, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

  If you're interested, here's a script that does what I was talking about: User:MusikAnimal/confirmationRollback. I could modify it or create a new version that only prompts for confirmation if on a mobile device, or only on watchlists, etc... all very easy to do. Cheers — MusikAnimal ^talk 00:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

  Here's one that only prompts on mobile: User:MusikAnimal/confirmationRollback-mobile. If this ever does become a gadget, we might consider enabling it by default. Note also the browser confirmation as opposed to the tiny interface seen when thanking someone, is probably more mobile-friendly anyway. — MusikAnimal ^talk 00:09, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

  +1 Hallelujah! I just tested this, and it works great! This is something I've wanted for a while. Imzadi 1979 → 02:58, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

• Support - Personally I'll probably never use it but for those on mobiles this is probably a dream come true :), I like the idea and I like the fact it's opt-in as opposed to it simply being forced down our throats!, Meh I don't see any harm in the opt-in message. –Davey2010^Talk 21:49, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support as long as it's opt-in. The whole point of rollback is that it doesn't require confirmation (because this slows things down a lot), so we shouldn't change the default, but of course it would be good if we gave the option to users who want it. Nyttend (talk) 13:15, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support as opt-in - I can see that it may be useful for some users, but most rollback-capable users wouldn't want it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:01, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support as opt-in on main site support as opt-out on mobile. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC).
  
• To hide the rollback button altogether on your watchlist use this:

.mw-special-Watchlist .mw-rollback-link {
   display: none;
}

KonveyorBelt 17:03, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

• I believe this was one of the intended use cases of jquery.confirmable, currently used to confirm "thanks". It might be worth investigating making a gadget using this feature. wctaiwan (talk) 20:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support as opt-in only. Although we already have that with MusikAnimal's extension. Stickee (talk) 23:34, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
• Support as opt-in, good idea. Matiia (talk) 23:46, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
• There is an old proposed patch for MediaWiki that implements this (https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/90729/), which is probably what wctaiwan had in mind, indeed using the same mechanism as Thanks confirmation. Shouldn't be difficult to dust it off. Matma Rex talk 23:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I was actually thinking of a gadget rather than a core change. That way it'd be opt-in without requiring further code changes. wctaiwan (talk) 23:52, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

• Rich's suggestion of opt-out for mobile (and opt-in elsewhere?) is an excellent idea. I have only ever made a mistaken rollback once or twice on desktop, but can imagine it happening a lot more frequently on mobile. Andrew Gray (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Chronology

Is there any way to search for Wikipedia articles by time and date of creation?Mcleod Allen Mueller Hill, aka Ohyeahstormtroopers6, Imperator Universi 23:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ohyeahstormtroopers6 (talk • contribs)

So basically you want a way to look for pages created, say, between 14:22 on 1 January 2015 and 23:14 on 4 January 2015? Special:Newpages works for this purpose, but it's only for recent creations; I don't know of anything that works on a longer-term basis. Nyttend (talk) 14:23, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

@Ohyeahstormtroopers6: Is this for all users, or one specific user? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:55, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Redrose has a good point. It's easy to get a list of all pages created by any specific user: just go to contributions and check the boxes. In your case, Special:Contributions/Ohyeahstormtroopers6 and then click "Only show edits that are page creations", and then pick "Search". This will give a chronological list of all pages you've created. I'm unaware of any feature that does this for more than one user. Nyttend (talk) 01:06, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

SUL finalization rename notices going out

Cross-posting to a few places

I'm sending out messages to the user accounts here who may be potentially renamed. A great number of these accounts likely just need to log in and visit Special:MergeAccount to make sure they are attached to the right global account and avoid renaming. Also, users who have been renamed may be contacted about their old name being up for renaming. These users are free to ignore the message if they're fine abandoning their old account. We're well over half way in notifying users and my meta talk page exploded along with my inbox, I anticipate this likely happening here. Any extra eyes on my talk page will be greatly appreciated in case I get caught up answering emails first. Thanks, all. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 21:35, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Recent change in RSS Syndication?

I use The Old Reader to subscribe to the edit history sections of lots of articles which I want to monitor. Yesterday I started getting lots of old content served to me. I emailed The Old Reader support and they seem to think it's on Wikipedia's end ("Seems likely that its a change on their end. I don't have a record of feed, but these old posts were created in our system today, which suggests they arrived in the feed for the first time today, and did not exist before"). Anyone know what's up or have suggestions of where I should ask instead of here? Might be just a one time problem--haven't noticed the problem happening again today. Thanks. (I've cross-posted this at Wikipedia talk:Syndication and WP:HD).--Pengortm (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

We were serving up invalid IDs in the RSS feed. This was corrected, causing of course 'new IDs' for RSS element that had been issued invalid IDs in the past. It should be a one time event (or rather, maximum 3 times, since there are 3 groups of Wikimedia servers running which will go through a round of this upgrade). —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 06:41, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. --Pengortm (talk) 16:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Quirk in watchlist

I was briefly confused by what seemed to be an IP reverting ClueBot NG, but turned out to be the watchlist order being inverted (normally the edits run bottom to top in sequence), possible because ClueBot's revert has the same timestamp edit being reverted. Copied from my watchlist:

           23:55:57  Micrometre‎‎ (2 changes | history) . . (0)‎ . . [ClueBot NG‎; 111.69.22.229‎]
           23:55:57 (cur | prev) . . (-2,576)‎ . . 111.69.22.229 (talk) (→‎SI standardisation)
    m      23:55:57 (cur | prev) . . (+2,576)‎ . . ClueBot NG (talk | contribs) (Reverting possible vandalism by 111.69.22.229 to version by Stevenmitchell. False positive? Report it. Thanks, ClueBot NG. (2167277) (Bot))

Is this something that should be fixed? —Quondum 00:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Steps to reproduce for me: Enable "Group changes by page in recent changes and watchlist" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rc and "Expand watchlist to show all changes" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-watchlist. Watch Micrometre. View watchlist. Click triangle to the left of "Micrometre" on watchlist. The page history of the article shows the right order. The revision numbers are 652299116 for the IP and 652299128 for ClueBot NG. Several other pages on my watchlist had two edits the same minute, and all showed the right order. I added five other recently reverted articles at Special:Contributions/ClueBot NG to my watchlist. All were reverted in the same minute as the previous edit, and all were shown in the right order on my watchlist. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, for clarity, the above example is the the same second, not merely the same minute. And I take it from what you say that when you expand as described by clicking on the triangle, the last two lines above are swapped relative to the above (the above is in the incorrect order). It would be interesting if the same interface produces different results for the same information for different people. —Quondum 04:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I reproduced your wrong order. "The page history of the article shows the right order" meant https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Micrometre&action=history. I don't display seconds and didn't notice the seconds in your quote. Selecting the last date format at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering gives me seconds. I get the right watchlist order for edits in the same minute but different seconds. I found another example with the same second at Row cover. There I get the wrong order again. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I have recently been playing with mw:API:Usercontribs and found a couple of cases where my contributions were listed by the API with a slightly different order than shown using Special:Contributions (pairs of edits were reversed, as in the report here). I'm mentioning that in case someone wants to investigate, and I could look for examples if needed. Johnuniq (talk) 00:56, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

I've seen this before, at least three times over a period of many months (a few years?). It seems as if the query which obtains and sorts the rows for display is not taking the revision number into account when two edits have the same stored date/time. I believe that the stored time precision is to whole seconds, that being the precision of a UNIX time; although this is truncated to minutes for display. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:22, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

A new idea for the wiki software

I have a new idea for wiki's software. I proposed it via Phabricator a week ago but no one answered. Am I doing something wrong? רן כהן (talk) 10:37, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

It's the wrong place if existing software features like Help:Collapsing are used. Content discussions about the English Wikipedia belong here at en.wikipedia.org. The below shows a way we could do it (could be made prettier), but I don't expect consensus for it. See MOS:CODE and WP:NOTREPOSITORY.

Hello world code

C
#include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("Hello, world!\n"); }

Java
In console: public class HelloWorld { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello, world!"); } }

C#
In a console or terminal: using System; class Program { public static void Main(string[] args) { Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!"); } }

Or with an outer collapsed box:

Hello world code
C #include <stdio.h> int main() { printf("Hello, world!\n"); } Java In console: public class HelloWorld { public static void main(String[] args) { System.out.println("Hello, world!"); } } C# In a console or terminal: using System; class Program { public static void Main(string[] args) { Console.WriteLine("Hello, world!"); } }

It could for example be suggested at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computer science or Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). PrimeHunter (talk) 16:58, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, I forgot that this feature existed. רן כהן (talk) 17:02, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Could someone help me put some color inside the top row of this box ?

Tiger	Orig	Bok	In	Episo	Spil	Sen	Send
						(IT)
Produksjon:
Rollebesetning:
Handling:
Boka:

-- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ezzex (talk • contribs) 14:19, 20 March 2015‎

@Ezzex: Examples shown above. Please be mindful of WP:COLOR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:53, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Many thanks.--Ezzex (talk) 15:13, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Updating list of 500 most viewed mathematics articles

I'd be interested in updating the list found at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Mathematics/Wikipedia_1.0/Frequently_viewed/List, which was last edited in 2009. Does anyone know what methods I can use to find the most-viewed mathematics articles as of this year? Is there currently a bot that could update this list for 2015?Brirush (talk) 14:26, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

For starters, see here [3], and this page [4] will let you query single articles. Getting a top 500 in category math from there would require a little scripting, but someone may already have tools to do that. SemanticMantis (talk) 15:36, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Furthermore, something seems a little fishy about techniques used to make that list. Why is Albert_Einstein number 1? I wouldn't think he should count as a "math" article, and currently, his page has no categories that even contain the string "math", though maybe in the past his page had the category "mathematician" or something... SemanticMantis (talk) 16:48, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

In this context, "Math articles" are articles that are part of Wikiproject Mathematics.Brirush (talk) 16:57, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

A page like WP:WA/PP, updated monthly by bot, can be set up for Wikiproject Mathematics (or any wikiproject) - see https://tools.wmflabs.org/popularpages/config.php to set it up - Evad37 [talk] 15:14, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

John Coates (Businessman) Not Showing Up in Wiki Search

When I type in John Coates into the wiki search bar John Coates (businessman) doesn't show up. Around 9 other John Coates are listed. The one I'm looking for is the CEO of bet365.

However, when I type in John Coates businessman, he does show up.

Is there any way of resolving this issue?

Cheers,

Alex

--AlexMoscow74 (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

If you mean the drop-down suggestions when you type in the search box then at most 10 pages are selected and John Coates (businessman) doesn't currenly make the cut for "John Coates", but appears on "John Coates (". Nothing should be done about that. Don't try to game the system to get your preferred page to replace another. If you mean the disambiguation page John Coates then it's not a search feature but a manually edited page. An editor added the business man after your post.[5] The article author should have done it at the page creation but it's an inexperienced editor. If you mean the search results page for John Coates then the business man is currently the 11th result on the first page. Don't try to game the systemn to make him appear higher on the page. So regardless of what you meant, there is nothing more to do now. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you PrimeHunter, I appreciate you help with resolving this issue. --AlexMoscow74 (talk) 10:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Is there a good way to ask for help with Graphics?

I am hoping to get a colour added to Golan heights and East Jerusalem so as to differentiate them from the within armistice line territory claimed by Israel so as to distinguish them in a similar way as the West Bank. I think that a similar colour would do. All as per discussions Talk:Israel#Colouration proposal re: File:Israel districts.png and File talk:Israel districts.png#Proposal for colour changes. Thanks. GregKaye 17:18, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Two toolbars in the editing window

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T93384

Please help remove excess panel. This happened after the last update. --Дагиров Умар (talk) 20:16, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

300

300

This error in the Chechen Wikipedia.--Дагиров Умар (talk) 20:23, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

This is bug T93384.--Snaevar (talk) 23:19, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much. -- Дагиров Умар (talk) 23:42, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Template:Flagbig/core

Please edit the default flagicon size in Template:Flagbig/core because the current code {{#if:{{{size|}}}|{{{size}}}|30x27px}} causes incorrect flagbig of Switzerland – see 2015 Davis Cup#World Group. In other words, remove that exception for fixed sizes (if:size|size) and set a new default height, I propose 21 or 22 px. Maiō T. (talk) 21:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

24 hours without response. User:SiBr4, are you here? ☺
Please, see the template-protected edit request at Template talk:Flagbig/core. Thanks, Maiō T. (talk) 22:04, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Wrong(?) diff

diff bug

Hello, I noticed that in this diff, part of the page which I did not touch is being shown as changed. I believe this to be a bug. Can someone report this on Phabricator ? (I don't have an account nor do I know how to check if this bug has already been reported.)

See image. Thank you. --Siddhant (talk) 00:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

This will happen in a number of diff views by different programs. Notice that the </ref> at the end of the line didn't show as being changed. This is because the diff view engine thinks you inserted the content in the middle of the ref, rather than copied and pasted after it. --Izno (talk) 02:39, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Ah. I see your point. Actually, what happned is that because of this ambiguity in deciding whether I inserted the text or appended it, the Citation bot ended up doing a botched up job via its followup edit. I'll report this to the Bot ownner. Furthermore, I was wondering if the diff software can/should be made to choose the appended text interpretaion over the inserted text interpretation? Can/should this be special cased? --Siddhant (talk) 03:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I see no errors in Citation bot's edit. What you are seeing appears to me as purely an inadequacy in the diff program. It simply can't tell whether you inserted a new reference or extended the old one. I have seen this in diff output forever (for more than 20 years); diff is pretty smart, but it often reports that a whole word has been changed when I changed only one character, for example. A bug report on Phabricator might generate a useful programming challenge for some young and ambitious programmer who doesn't know what is impossible yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:32, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

You are correct! There is no error in the bot's edit (except the blank fields which is did not remove, but that's a minor problem. Thanks for your cleanup edit regarding that.) --Siddhant (talk) 07:55, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

It should be possible to enhance the diff so that it shows character differences instead of word differences. If you go to a file description page on Commons, and request rename of the file by using {{Rename}}, it presents a box showing two diffs. This is demonstrated on the template page itself, where under "Difference in words:" it shows all of the page name as changed, whereas under "Difference in characters:", the letters "e", "m" and "p" are shown as unchanged. Further examples make this clearer. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:42, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what part of the software builds these character-based diffs, but I suspect it is some template or module; the transclusion mechanism at Commons is pretty horrid. As for why regular diffs seem to count the first occurence as changed; it is because a diff is usually build from end to beginning. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 12:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Probably c:Module:Diff then. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:01, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Italy vs Wales 2015-03-21.svg

For some reason, a black box appears on this image when it is called in articles. The black box doesn't appear in the original image (here), so I can't explain why the Wikipedia software would render it. – PeeJay 18:08, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@PeeJay2K3: I've come across this before, at File:Metropolitian Railway (1870).svg. In this case it was the presence of the following:

  <flowRoot
     xml:space="preserve"
     id="flowRoot3396"
     style="fill:black;stroke:none;stroke-opacity:1;stroke-width:1px;stroke-linejoin:miter;stroke-linecap:butt;fill-opacity:1;font-family:Sans;font-style:normal;font-weight:normal;font-size:40px;line-height:125%;letter-spacing:0px;word-spacing:0px"><flowRegion
       id="flowRegion3398"><rect
         id="rect3400"
         width="91"
         height="46"
         x="231"
         y="921.39148" /></flowRegion><flowPara
       id="flowPara3402" /></flowRoot>

That <rect /> drew the black rectangle, so  Done I removed it; I also removed the <flowRoot>...</flowRoot> <flowRegion>...</flowRegion> and <flowPara /> elements, since these are not documented in the SVG spec, and so their behaviour is unknown. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:47, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thank you very much. That was bugging the crap out of me. I wonder why it happened! – PeeJay 20:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

That SVG has all the hallmarks of having been edited in Inkscape, which adds all sorts of strange stuff, ranging from undocumented elements through undocumented attributes on documented elements to undocumented values on documented properties. Ordinarily I would strip out all of the obvious Inkscape deadweight, and it would still render as intended. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

flowRoot is not supported by the SVG rendered in use by MediaWiki. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 21:16, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, part of the issue is with Inkscape, which seems to be creating a file header that is inconsistent with its content. I've looked at the <svg> tag in that file, and it has the attribute version="1.0" The current W3C Recommendation (i.e. widely-accepted standard) for SVG is version 1.1, 16 August 2011, which lacks <flowRoot>...</flowRoot> and those others. These are proposed for SVG version 1.2, which is still a W3C Working Draft - last revision 13 April 2005, nearly ten years ago. It doesn't have a clickable Table of Contents, but googling around I found this older version. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:05, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Andy Mackay infobox

On the page for Andy Mackay, something isn't showing in the infobox. There's a line for "Instruments", shown here: | Instruments = Alto saxophone, tenor saxophone, keyboards, oboe, violin But as displayed, the line doesn't show. I've tried various fixes - changing the capital I to a lowercase, changing the location of the line - but they've had no effect in the page previews. What's causing this problem?Bjones (talk) 21:07, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

@Bjones: The infobox in question is {{Infobox musical artist}}, the documentation of which shows the parameter name is |instrument= (singular and lowercase). The parameter works if it is changed to that. SiBr₄ (talk) 21:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Got it, and that did work. Thanks for your advice.Bjones (talk) 02:00, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

ARIA blocked?

Hi all, I'm trying to address Template talk:Physics particle#Non-screenreader friendly by using dummy <sup> and <sub> tags while hiding the problematic tags in text-based browsers using aria-hidden. However, I found out that the WAI-ARIA attribute (or at least the one I'm using) seem to be blocked. An example can be seen in my sandbox, where the aria-hidden attribute seems to be stripped from the HTML output (by examining the source). Is is behavior documented? If so, is there any workarounds? Thanks. Timothy G. ^{from CA} (talk) 21:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

The attribute is not whitelisted. See Help:HTML in wikitext#Attributes. --  Gadget850 ^talk 21:33, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Special:Watchlist legend

Don't know if anyone else has seen this, but the legend on my Watchlist page says "m This is a" instead of "m This is a minor edit". I've checked it back to what I believe is the MediaWiki page it originates from, but that page has the correct wording, and I couldn't edit it if it didn't. I thought some of you folks here might be able to fix it. BMK (talk) 01:06, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Looks OK to me. Do you see this text: "minor edit" --  Gadget850 ^talk 01:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

No, you would not. User:Beyond_My_Ken/monobook.css contains:

#minoredit_helplink { display: none;
}

Which causes it to be hidden. --  Gadget850 ^talk 01:13, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

You must have added that code to hide the link in MediaWiki:Minoredit which is displayed next to the minor edit checkbox when editing, so you should also see "This is a" there. Some users hide the link to avoid accidentally hitting it during an edit. MediaWiki:Recentchanges-legend-minor uses the same id for the link so it also becomes hidden there. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:40, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Added in this edit - almost five years ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:48, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Upload constantly failing

This logo, tried gif and jpg with an error message: This file did not pass verification. --Tito Dutta (talk) 01:50, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

The software checks to ensure the file matches the extension. Looks like it is a PNG image with a GIF extension. Rename it to a PNG extension. --  Gadget850 ^talk 01:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Where can I buy a wikipedia mediawiki clone with decent Captcha etc?

Does anyone sell a wikipedia mediawiki clone? By this I mean wikipedia software with all of the incredible bells and whistles without the article content?

Out of the box, mediawiki is just terrible as far as spam and malicious bots. It is amazing the trouble I have had with the 10+ mediawiki sites I have. If I don't immediately disable editing, I am assaulted with bots within weeks. The captchas are clunky and difficult for me to effectively install. Why doesnt a robust wikipedia like captcha come standard with mediawiki? To me, this is the biggest weakness of mediawiki.

My account just was suspended with Namecheap:

It has come to our attention that there is a huge amount of similar emails queued on the server by your hosting account ideakwty. Please note that transmitting any unsolicited commercial or bulk email, or being engaged in any activity known or considered to be spamming or Mail Bombing is expressly prohibited on our hosting servers according to our Acceptable Use Policy, paragraph 8. ‘Prohibited Activities’ www.namecheap.com/legal/hosting/aup.aspx

As we can see, the emails are sent per each account registration on your web site [removed].com. In order to protect your web site from spam bot account registration please consider using anti spam software (e.g. Captcha).

Please, please technical people - don't shoot the messenger. I am very technically savvy. This is a constant difficultly I have had for years with mediawiki.

Again, Does anyone sell a wikipedia mediawiki clone with awesome captcha, etc?

Thank you Namecheapblues (talk) 13:16, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Have you checked mw:Manual:Combating spam? --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 16:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

How have you configured Mediawiki? Are you requiring registration to edit? Have you turned on edit rate limiting? Do you enable uploading? Have you looked at the Installation guide? —EncMstr (talk) 19:38, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

thank you for suggestions. thank you for your help. yes I am doing all this.

The problem is that mediawiki has a HUGE flaw.

I wish I could spend my own money and buy wikipedia mediawiki. Namecheapblues (talk) 13:11, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

It really depends on what you need exactly. A website that anyone can edit is doomed to have spam. Besides setting up a decent captcha (which is definitely possible by Mediawiki, through extensions), you might want preventing new account registration, forcing new edits to be approved by a seasoned user, forcing users to verify their account, ... Otherwise, there are a lot of alternatives: List of wiki software. -- Luk ^talk 13:36, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Fixed size

I've added parameter fixed size = 23x16px into Template:Country data Switzerland/sandbox, and also added a switch into Template:Flagicon/core/sandbox. I think it will work.

• ← flagicon|Switzerland

← flagicon/sandbox|Switzerland/sandbox

• ← flagicon|Switzerland|size=30x30px

← flagicon/sandbox|Switzerland/sandbox|size=30x30px Now we need to edit all articles from Category:Country data templates with distinct default size and also the templates flag...xyz.../core. (Except flagbig/core)
Maiō T. (talk) 13:33, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

That is horrible. What are you trying to acomplish? Why pollute the code this way to single out one flag? It doesn't even seem to do anything different. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 14:03, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Since standard-sized flags wouldn't include this "fixed size" parameter, what about just doing this? SiBr₄ (talk) 14:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

SiBr₄, thanks! That's much much better. User:Edokter, what do you say? Maiō T. (talk) 14:59, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

{{{fixed size}}} is redundant here. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 15:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

@Edokter:
No, it isn't redundant. It's necessary, because Template:flagbig currently uses parameter {{{size}}} of Switzerland (and others, e.g. Vatican City, North Dakota ...) which is 16px. See:
{{flagbig|MON}}

Monaco
{{flagbig|SUI}}

Switzerland
{{flagbig|VAT}}

Vatican City
{{flagbig|North Dakota}}

North Dakota
{{flagbig|NIG}}

Niger
Therefore I'm trying to fix it with "fixed size". Maiō T. (talk) 17:11, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

{{Flagicon/core}} can handle only one size parameter, so it is redundant. This must be fixed in {{flagbig}} to pass the right size. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 17:50, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

@Edokter:
No way. {{flagbig}} needs empty {{{size}}} parameter, therefore it's necessary to edit country-data templates – remove {{{size}}} & add {{{fixed size}}}, but this action could corrupt the flag.../core results. So, I need to add just one word into "flag.../core" templates.
Maiō T. (talk) 18:55, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

You completely lost me here. Anything passed with {{{fixed size}}} can be passed with {{{size}}} to {{Flagicon/core}}. Why does it need to be a separate parameter? -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 20:20, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

@Edokter: I just need an empty {{{size}}} parameter in Country-Data articles for correct use in template:flagbig. Currently are 8 flagicons displayed incorrectly with template:flagbig. Maiō T. (talk) 22:49, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Ideally, flags that are larger by default in 23x15px flag templates should be larger by default in other-size flag templates as well. Instead of setting the default for those flags at a certain number of pixels (whether in all templates, as is the case now, or in 23x15px templates only, using the proposed "fixed size"), I added a parameter for relative size increase to the sandboxes:

Flag	Flag/sandbox	Flagbig	Flagbig/sandbox
UK		United Kingdom	United Kingdom
France		France	France
Switzerland		Switzerland	Switzerland

Instead of being fixed at 23x16px, the height of the Swiss flag using the sandbox is set at 110% of that of other flags, rounded to an integer number of pixels. That means the height for Switzerland using {{flagbig/sandbox}} is increased from 21px to 23px. SiBr₄ (talk) 12:48, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Duplicate files

Hello, User:Ebraminio wrote a php tool that can list duplicate files in certain Wikipedia and Wikimedia commons. This is result for English Wikipedia (the file is too big to copy paste it in a Wiki page). English Wikipedia should have a bot to delete these files. :)Ladsgroup^overleg 17:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

These can't be deleted by bot because they first need to be carefully checked for errors. For example, fair use files are sometimes posted to Commons with bogus copyright tags and should instead be nominated for deletion on Commons, and some people upload files to Commons without providing correct source information. quarry:query/947 can also be used for finding untagged files on Commons. A bot could maybe add {{subst:ncd}} to the files, but this assumes that the deleting admin carefully cleans up the files and nominates files on Commons as necessary. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:39, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

I used to have a bot doing just that, but it needed careful human examination: lots of duplicates are moves from Wikipedia to Commons, with incorrect licensing information. And of course non-free files that would get moved to Commons by someone who doesn't know better, and get deleted there after a few months. -- Luk ^talk 13:39, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library Related Changes

I'm tracking changes related to WP:The Wikipedia Library at Special:RecentChangesLinked/Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Library. Oddly, several biographies are included in the list including: Albert Einstein and William Shakespeare.

What those pages happy to have in common is the Template:Library_resources_box. But despite looking in that template, in the page's source code, and the page's html. I can't find a link to The Wikipedia Library in any of them. So... why are they showing up in the related changes feed? Thanks! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 17:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

WP:The Wikipedia Library mentions those authors in the quote section at the bottom. -- John of Reading (talk) 20:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Reduction of big flagicons

Template_talk:Flagbig/core#Template-protected_edit_request_on_21_March_2015

Please support my proposal for reduction of big default sizes in template:flagbig.

current default size 30x27px max.	proposed default size 30x21px max.	real size change
France	France	—
Niger	Niger	from 30x26px to 25x21px
Great Britain	Great Britain	—
Monaco	Monaco	from 30x24px to 26x21px
United States	United States	—
Denmark	Denmark	from 30x23px to 28x21px
Canada	Canada	—
San Marino	San Marino	from 30x23px to 28x21px
Germany	Germany	—
Norway	Norway	from 30x22px to 29x21px
Qatar	Qatar	—
Iceland	Iceland	from 30x22px to 29x21px

Thanks, Maiō T. (talk) 22:58, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Please be careful with how you word requests for action so that you do not canvass. --Izno (talk) 23:10, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

What is the rationale here? It makes some flags not big anymore. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 08:17, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

User:Edokter – some big flags are currently not big, some are very big. What do you think about compromise dimensions 32x23px? Maiō T. (talk) 13:05, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes this week

• The new version of MediaWiki has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since March 18. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from March 24. It will be on all Wikipedias from March 25 (calendar).
• The text of a reference is now more visible when you click on it. It has a blue background. Many wikis already have the blue color. Those wikis can now remove it from their CSS page. [6]
• VisualEditor is now much faster. For many users it is now at least as fast as the wikitext editor. [7] [8] [9]
• When you add a list of references in VisualEditor, you now see it right away. You can still change its group by editing it. [10]

Meetings

• You can read the notes from the last meeting with the VisualEditor team.
• You can join the next weekly meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meetings you can tell developers which bugs are the most important. The meeting will be on March 25 at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

• Talk pages using "LiquidThreads" on mediawiki.org will soon use the new system. [11]

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15:10, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Patrolling notification

I just saw a discussion in which an interesting suggestion is raised, but I'm not sure how to help (let alone if help is needed), so I'm just bringing it here.

Hi, could you explain to me what "user was patrolled by.. " in this case you, means? I did not find any objective information on that. Greetings!Lucentcalendar (talk) 11:31, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

@Lucentcalendar: It basically just means I decided the page is ok and not vandalism, spam or anything. Not sure if you've seen m:Help:Patrolled edit, but there's more information there. The notification thingy should probably link to some help page or other so that people won't be confused. ekips39 (talk) 20:00, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Your site is OK too, I would go a bit easier on the colors, but that is certainly a matter of taste. There is no information shown about patrols and googling it only found information about patrolling new content pages and harassment of administrators against users.Lucentcalendar (talk) 07:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

I assume that this is new page patrol, but I'm not sure. Could a link be added, as suggested by ekips? Nyttend (talk) 01:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Error when displaying Wikipedia:Featured_topics/count

I simply loaded the page (I didn't edit it), and after 'All articles tagged as being part of a good topic:' and 'Total:', I get an 'Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character ",".'

I don't know where to even begin searching to fix this; the most (I think) I know for sure is that there's a problematic comma within those templates (or scripts?) that became transcluded onto the Featured topics count page.

Anything I could rely upon for future reference would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Googol30 (talk) 07:38, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

The four-digit counts were causing problems. I've fixed it, with some help from Help:Magic words. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:53, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Islamic calendar

Hi. The diff shows an edit by CambridgeBayWeather at 06:57 but the history ends with an edit at 16:44 yesterday. There is an "edit this page" tab but clicking on it produces an "editing is restricted to registered users" notice. How can this be? 87.81.147.76 (talk) 13:22, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Your browser may have cached Islamic calendar and the page history before the protection by CambridgeBayWeather at 06:57. Try to bypass your cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:36, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

It cleared. Thanks. 87.81.147.76 (talk) 15:33, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Can someone log a bug for me?

Could someone with an account please log this as a bug? I am unfamiliar with the system for reporting bugs and I do not have an account. While this bug is quite easily circumventable, it really is a bit silly that something so glaringly obvious has not been fixed long ago. Thanks to any person who can do this on my behalf. 86.152.162.108 (talk) 18:18, 24 March 2015 (UTC)