User talk:Attar-Aram syria

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Yamhad

I don't have the reference you cite. Can you explain what you mean by "alter ego"? How is this different from the more understandable "closely associated"? As a native English speaker, to say something is an alter ego would it is a different name for the same thing. For example, Tony Stark is the alter ego of Iron Man.

Also, if Aleppo and Ebla were both destroyed, doesn't this conflict with the prior statement that Aleppo was continuously inhabited? Or are you saying that Aleppo survived the destruction, while Ebla did not? Nomadic Whitt (talk) 07:06, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Syrian ethnicity

Hello Attar-Aram syria! Welcome to English Wikipedia and thank you for your contributions! It's nice to know there are people out there who care, and are informed, about ancient Syrian history and this complicated subject of ethnicity. You mentioned a number things in your message, and I will try to tackle all the points you made. With regards to Arab nationalism, I think this is a problematic truth on Arabic Wikipedia, on English Wikipedia we have Syriac nationalists who are the ones that are hijacking the Syrian and Iraqi people pages to suit their laughable pov, which argues that there is no Syrian ethnicity and this stems from Western articles that mention that Syria is 90% Arab (Again this based on language and not a serious historical study of ethnicity in Syria.) I wholeheartedly agree with the gist of your message and I commend you for consulting before rocking the boat. :)

I believe that you can expand the Syria people article by adding the two sections you are interested in adding. One sub-category could be "Arabs of Syria" and the other could be "Syrian ethnicity"; this is similar to other examples in English Wikipedia. For example take a look at this article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_people), one sectioned is labelled "identity" and another section is devoted solely to "genetics". Check out the German people article, a whole section is devoted to "ethnicity" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_people).

I prefer the Syrian people article, because it is inclusive, it refers to all Syrian people no matter what their ethnicity is. I understand your argument that an article should exist solely on people who are from Syrian ethnicity, however the other people articles I have read on English Wikipedia are inclusive (such as the German and Italian people articles). If you create separate articles, then further down the line other editors will try to merge them into one article. Why not take things one step at a time? You could write the paragraphs under two different sections on the Syrian people page, and further down the line if the article gets too long then we could separate and create different articles.

Yes, you can send me anything and I will definitely proof-read it and come up with suggestions or comments. Please add those reliable references on genetics, because this will help defend your work against those editors who seek to control the discussion with their uninformed and biased viewpoints.George Al-Shami (talk) 20:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey there, it looks like the RfC has ended, let me know when another one has started.George Al-Shami (talk) 22:19, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Attar-Aram, thanks for your input, I appreciate it. Yes, of course, Syrian popes were not syriacs/assyrians. I agree with your message, if he reverts again, then I will simply change the title to the one you suggested; that's what I wanted to do earlier. With Google books, it's either a hit or a miss, because when I clicked on the link Google blanked the page that you probably were referring to. This is another example of the editor in question's insincerity, he could easily change the title to keep the papal section, but no, he removes the whole thing on a technicality! (just to remove it) Unbelievable! I've been meaning to ask you, do you have a bachelor's degree in ancient history, or did you acquire your knowledge by teaching yourself through books? George Al-Shami (talk) 03:18, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Recent Edits

I would like to congratulate you on the number of positive NPOV edits you made on the Syrian people article. I like the fact that you are striving to keep the article as impartial as possible and I like the fact that you interspersing your edits with reliable sources. I also like the two sub-categories you created under the main category identity. Well done Mister, I presume (No offence, if I have the wrong gender). I will take you to task on just one thing you mentioned (I wish I had more time to go over all the edits. :) ); you mention "The ethnic designation "Syrian" is derived from Assyrian " do you mean -derived from the Assyrian/Syriac language- or from the term itself "Assyrian". If you are referring to the latter then I would like to mention that I read an article a long time ago that contradicts this assertion. When I have time, I will check the source that you placed at the bottom. However, I do know that ancient Syria and the Assyrian empire existed at the same time and that they did share a common border. There are a lot of of contradictory assertions with regards to the origins of the name "Syria", I don't know if we'll ever find out the origins of this name, I will look into this.George Al-Shami (talk) 07:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Could you please contribute to the discussion in talk:Syrian people before making mass edits? I don't really have time to check all the edits you made but what strikes me the most is the claim that Syrians share a common genetic heritage.--Kathovo talk 09:27, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey There, keep fighting the good fight, don't get intimidated by these Syriac nationalists and their sock puppets. I have a hunch that Penguins53 is a sock puppet of one of the Syriac nationalist editors; don't know who. You can make a request to see if they are the same person, over here Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations. They will check to see if the ip addresses of the different accounts match. Another course of action, you may want to take if this constant trolling and vandalism continues unabated, is to request the article gets WP:PP semi-protected so that only verified editors can make edits. George Al-Shami (talk) 23:12, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't even know what a sockpuppet is, so... Second of all, I don't know what a Syriac nationalist is (considering that Syriac is a language...) I am an Assyrian, and do not know what you mean. The edits on genetics are unnecessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penguins53 (talk • contribs) 03:55, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Regarding the Syrian people page: then try condensing the genetic information to one or two paragraphs into one section. There doesn't have to be genetic information interspersed throughout the entire article. One section entitled "Genetics" would be fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Penguins53 (talk • contribs) 04:04, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ebla

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Your GA nomination of Ebla

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DYK for Ebla

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	I had a great time reading the article on Ebla to which you greatly contributed. Thanks for your work, I hope to read more of your articles ! Iry-Hor (talk) 08:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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Palmyrene Empire

Hi. Maybe I mislooked, since at least now I see Lot as ref. 67. However, the footnote number does not link to the footnote: I have to scroll down to see it. Maybe it is a problem of the computer I am using: IE Enterprise 7. Kdammers (talk) 03:08, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I dont know the problem, it is confusing I guess, cause normally you just click on the reference number next to the sentence, and it take you to the source in the citations section. I hope you figure out whats wrong cause Im not familiar with this problem. Cheers--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 03:13, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is strange. On other Wikipedia sites it works for me, but not on this one.Kdammers (talk) 05:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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Demographics in Al-Hasaka government

Hi Attar, re the so-called rojava article, obviously some users here are trying to depict this area of Syria as being Kurdish, and it seems this agenda requires hiding how the current demographic situation has developed. Don't give up, this is what they are after. I am not giving up either and you have my support. Cheers. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk)

Thanks User:عمرو بن كلثوم, I will never give up, I have many sources to shut them and I wont allow them to force their propaganda like they do in social media. I did say that I wont restore the deleted material, but I just added another short sourced sentence to summaries the deleted one and give the same meaning so that neutral readers will understand the atrocities committed when those people made part of our country theirs. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:50, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

archive

I reverted your manual archiving of Talk:Semitic people. I didn't just want to archive it, I also wanted to test the bot behaviour. If my settings are correct, the new archive should span 3 files and leave 4 sections on the talk page. There is currently no activity on that talk page, so no hurry. Thanks. —Telpardec  TALK  13:36, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

User:Telpardec, Oh I thought you wanted to archive the talk page. no problem then.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

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Ebla

User:Baffle gab1978, Thank you very much !--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 08:08, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Levant

Hey Attar, there's a group (Wikimedia Levant) being started to bring Wikipedia's Levantine editors together to hopefully increase our collaborative efforts in improving articles related to the Levant. It would be great if you could join. If you're interested, just enter your name into the Members section. FunkMonk pointed out your work on Syria's cultural heritage to me, and its outstanding. Thanks especially for Palmyra. I always wanted to bring that article up to snuff, but I kept putting it off. Improving these articles serves a great purpose toward increasing public awareness for these global treasures, considering that so many of Syria's historical sites are tragically endangered these days. Keep up the great work! --Al Ameer (talk) 23:57, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your nice words Al Ameer!. Im gonna check this group and maybe join later since Im busy with exams right now. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 02:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Palmyra

Thanks for your work defending the above from various "good intension" edits (which are lacking in quality). I have read the article thoroughly now and I'm surprised it hasn't been taken to WP:FAC. Is it something you have considered at any point? I think it has great potential. Cassianto^Talk 08:15, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cassianto. Well, its something I want but I never have the trust in my grammar or style since Im not a native speaker of English, your words are encouraging though, thanks.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 08:24, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

You don't have to be a great speaker of English to have good grammar. Gerda Arendt and GermanJoe are just two people who spring to mind and both dispel that myth as their English writing is excellent and they are both German. At FAC, there are always patient people willing to help and I'm sure they will understand any language difficulties. The delegates, whom I know well, are very understanding and will allow you some extra manouvre in order to get this important article to FA. It's certainly worth a think about; if you do, my advice would be to get the article copy edited first or initiate a PR|peer review. Cassianto^Talk 08:41, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, to tell you the truth, all I needed was a push, and you gave me just that :) ... I will take it to Copy-Edit, since I was not lucky when I asked a peer review for Ebla. Now Ebla is copy edited and Im refreshing its sources to take it to FA. I will ask for Palmyra to be copy-edited as soon as the news stop mentioning it, because the article is attracting too many IPs.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 08:44, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

You're quite wise to wait for the press to die down as the traffic through the article may cause problems. I'd be happy to help with any English questions you may have in the meantime and will take part in any peer review you should initiate. Cassianto^Talk 11:34, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cassianto ! I already asked for the copy-editing since it will take at least a month for it to be accepted. Since I know the state of my country's war, Im sure that the traffic and the news will slow down within a week. After the copy-editing, Im gonna ask for a peer review and pin you for it.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 11:38, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I just hope and prey that in months to come we will be talking about a still untouched Palmyra, rather than one that has been desecrated by a load of disgusting, anti-Muslim vandals such as Islamic State! Cassianto^Talk 13:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Cassianto for your hopes about the city safety. I dont think Palmyra will continue to exist after those sub-humans took it. I will not think about this for now and hope that I dont hear the bad news.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 14:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

• Hi, though the FAC was archived, this doesn't say anything about the quality of the article, it may just mean that it wasn't visible enough. Thee are much fewer reviewers now than there used to be, so it can help "advertise" on relevant Wiki Project talk pages to notify potential reviewers. FunkMonk (talk) 00:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Hey User:FunkMonk, that was disappointing to say the least ! but I will re-nominate tomorrow or today and I will take your advice. Thanks for your encouragement.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 05:05, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Tell Brak

I saw your work on Tell Brak and other Syrian sites; great work, keep it up! I saw that Brak lacks an overview image of the entire tell. I have one in my archive and will see that I get it to Commons some time these days. Best, --Zoeperkoe (talk) 12:08, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Well that would be more than great Zoeperkoe. Thanks !!--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Palmyrene empire

First i am not an Aramean or Assyrian or something like that, but a Syrian arab. yes it is the same language, but it is clearer to say it is an aramaic dialect. you can not deny it is an Aramean state they called themself Arameans. yes it was a mix of persian, hellenistc, aramean, arab culture. you are now denying Isis Aramean roots

Salaam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliph Ibrahim (talk • contribs) 13:21, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Syrian people

Salaam w aleikom Maybe i was fault but why are you denying that we Arab Syrians are acctualy a mix from Arameans and Arabs actually we Syrian arabs must be proud of our roots we life in the land of the arameans and we have their roots even i have learned my language and when we syrians had regocnized our roots the problems their were stopped — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliph Ibrahim (talk • contribs) 13:11, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Antiochian Greeks article

Hi Attar-Aram syria, I was surprised by that claim in the lead paragraph, because I had never heard or read of such a thing before. I'm trying to be as constructive as possible when editing on Wikipedia and I guess I was waiting for the editor who made this claim to provide some reliable sources. I think your explanation on the talk page was well presented and it's good that you pointed out the Greeks in Syria article. Anyways, your input would be appreciated on a possible new montage for this article Arabs.George Al-Shami (talk) 07:08, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Sure thing! I want to ask you, according to your knowledge, before the arrival of the Turks to Anatolia around 1200 AD, was there a natural border between Greece and Syria? (would ancient Armenia have shared a natural border between Greece and Syria?). I don't agree that the Greek Orthodox in Syria are ethnic Greeks, but is the editor in question referring to a time, about 2 thousand years ago, when there was a natural border between the two and possible mixing between the ethnic groups? Although the DNA studies in this region are still in their infancy, to your knowledge is there any mention of Greek ancestry within the majority of Northern Syrians? One thing I've noticed in the past is that there are a lot of gaps in historical scholarship and modern historiography, in that, just because a topic is not written about by historians and scholars doesn't mean it didn't exist. An example of such a topic is Syrian nationalism; the orientalists and Western scholars of the Arab world in the 20th century totally ignore this topic as if it didn't exist; but I knew it existed because of the stubborn historical facts, such as the many institutions that were founded by Syrians starting in the 1850s that employed the national designation "Syrian". And a lot of these Syrians who immigrated to the US before 1920 founded organizations that used the aforementioned designation. Even after the borders of modern Syrian were drawn up, some "Lebanese" still called themselves Syrian, case in point, the founder of the Syrian World magazine, here's an article I started on Wikipedia a couple of years ago: The Syrian World. Here's a book that might interest you The Making of Arab Americans: From Syrian Nationalism to U.S. Citizenship.George Al-Shami (talk) 21:11, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Antiochian Greek Orthodox Christians

Hello Attar-Aram. On May 12 an editor called User:Gramaic moved Antiochian Greek Orthodox Christians to Antiochian Greeks. See the move log. My assumption is that you are disagreeing with this move in your recent ANI complaint. You have the option of proposing a new move using the {{requested move}} template if you think the move should be reversed. Then there will be a move discussion for seven days. If you want to do that, I can provide any assistance you need in setting that up. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:56, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

AIV report is a content dispute

Regarding this report, Willondon is right. This is a content dispute and should be directed to other boards.--Chaser (talk) 02:42, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Antiochians, Abusive Edits, and 'Costumes'!

I tried to correct (some of your most flagrant/abusive) edits, based of totally unfounded assertions and clear penchant for Soviet-style propaganda in lieu of historical enquiry ... in vain!

As I'm quite busy in the real world, I shall let you keep on believing that “costume” means “tradition” and that the Washington Address is where the first US president lived! ;)

B.Andersohn (talk) 13:59, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Do not talk to me on my talk page like this. I have respected you and you didn't respect me back. You have a lack of good manners and you have no right talking to me like this. You should have used the talk page in a respective way and offered your good citations instead of this low level.

1) You’re the one who actually started to make insidious comments on my talk page in the first place.

2) the slightly sarcastic tone of some of my comments are meant essentially to open your eyes, not to “show disrespect” to a self-proclaimed censor (sorry- but that’s the impression you give). I sincerely believe/hope you’ll changes your views one day. Until then, I wish you a good continuation … B.Andersohn (talk) 14:17, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

When I reverted you the first time I asked you to use the talk page to which you refused. I came to your talk page to tell that you need to use the article talk page and I was not disrespectful. Again you came with your opinions on me. Please do not focus on my personality.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 14:21, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Mediation

Hi Attar, you might be interested in this discussion. Cheers. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar

Hi, I have just completed the translation of Palmyra (actually the 25-June version) to the Portuguese Wikipedia and I must congratulate you for the amazing work. Apart, perhaps (I am not sure, I have to reread the text in a few weeks past the translation) some lack of details on the excavations and the ruins/buildings and urbanism, it looks like having FA quality, maybe even better than some other FA. In fact, I have just asked for second opinions on proposing the Portuguese article to FA. I see that you are still working on it, which "worries" me a bit, because it means more work for me also, to update the translation. ;) Best regards. pt:Stegop talk 00:10, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Attar,

Thank you for your feedback. You deserve my compliments that, more than just a simple gesture of kindness, express my admiration for a comprehensive work well done, coming from someone who knows too well how hard it is.

About the "missing" things or, more precicely, the things that look less well covered, I was talking abou the version of 25-June because I didn't read the new version yet. Please send me a note when you think that you are about finishing the text, so I can make my critics. Nevertheless, by looking quickly, I get the feeling that things didn't change much since June on this field. I'll try to explain: every aspect of the site and its history seem very well covered, except for the excavations (relevant findings and conclusions, etc.) and perhaps more important, the description (more detailed and "structured") of the buildings, their location relative to each other, dimensions, etc., something like "temple A is 200 meters South of building B, street X ran West to East, from building B to building C, etc.", so the reader can have an idea of the map/strutcure of the site and city by reading it. Maybe it is possible to do that, at least partly, by careful reading the text that exists now, but that information is kind of disperse. Note that I am not telling that it is a real flaw; however, after having read all the previous sections, that cover all other aspects so comprehensively, I would expect a bit more detail on that part (the "physical" aspects of the town, what exists now of it and maybe what existed or supposedly existed before.

Probably there are better examples to explain what I mean, but take a look of Volubilis (which I also translated to PT.WP, adding or improving some details here and there, so I know it well); it is a less impressive article than "your Palmyra", but the sections "City layout and infrastructure" and "Notable buildings" account for half of the article. I am not suggesting that you do the same, far from it; even if it was really interesting doing it, it would render the article toooooo big. Others examples chosen randomly from memory, if you understand French are fr:Aptera (Grèce), fr:Bulla Regia, fr:Dougga and fr:Site archéologique de Carthage.

Keep up the good work!

PS: Just a minor detail and suggestion: replace books.google.nl by books.google.en on the references and bibliography, so the same pages appear in English instead of Dutch. --pt:Stegop ^talk 17:49, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

• It looks great to me. You managed to be concise while explaining what I felt was missing. It also looks well written, but since I am not a native English speaker nor have advanced studies in English, I am not the right person to assure you that everything is perfect. Great job indeed! I will have to arrange courage to redo the translation because I really want to make it FA in PT Wikipedia also. :-) Cheers. --pt:Stegop ^talk 00:32, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tell Brak

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Palmyra is now FA in the Portuguese Wikipedia

Hi Attar-Aram,

I am happy to inform you that your article (yes, after all 99% of the text was written by you) has just been elected "featured article" in the Portuguese Wikipedia. pt:Palmira is scheduled to be on the main page of pt.wikipedia 19^th February 2016.

Again, thank you very much and keep up the excelent work.

Regards. --pt:Stegop ^talk 01:58, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

pt:Stegop, Thats a great news. The credit is yours as well. Thanks.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:24, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

No truth sources

This so called sources are wrong.

This are pseudo storys of a selfmade historian.

Fake storys. At this Time no circassian noble princess went in the ottoman harem nore any native muslima. This was the reason for the systam of christian slave girl same as Yeniceri who had also christian background.

I am descendant of Cemile sultan and this storys of my Ancestress Safiye, Handan are wrong.

There was also no any Valide who named Halime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalanidil (talk • contribs) 16:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Muhanna ibn Isa

Hi Attar, I'm trying to eliminate as many red links as I can from the Palmyra page. I recently started articles on Abu Muhammad al-Sufyani and Abu al-Ward and a stub on Yusuf ibn Firuz. I found some info on Muhanna ibn Isa and started a draft page on him. If you have anything to add to the draft page please do, and then we could move it to mainspace. This book by Amalia Levanoni appears to be a good source about the Fadl dynasty in general by the way. --Al Ameer (talk) 20:54, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Hello Al Ameer, nice work, I added some information to the draft but you will need to copy edit to avoid my bad grammar and to integrate my text to your text.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 22:12, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, will do. I'll let you know if I start other drafts on members of the tribe. --Al Ameer (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I moved it to Muhanna ibn Isa. Please make corrections or clarifications if you see any errors. The article is bigger than I thought it would become, so I'll probably nominate it for DYK. Cheers --Al Ameer (talk) 22:53, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

Yeah Al Ameer, it does look good ! I didnt start an article on him cause I didnt thought we have enough info but I was mistaken. I have no corrections for now. Hope it will pass the DYK. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 22:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)

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Rojava

Hey, just a note to mark edits as minor when they are small, typographical, and uncontroversial, such as changing the formatting of a comment (otherwise they clog up watchlists). Thanks for your edits! czar 13:56, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, ok, but those edits are not minor. They are connected to a long discussion on the talk page.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 13:58, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Random favor

Hi Attar, would you be able to add the Arabic spelling to the Aqil Agha article? --Al Ameer (talk) 18:55, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Sure, done.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 19:01, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks --Al Ameer (talk) 19:26, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

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hello Mr Attar-Aram syria, I from your neighbor country, from Iraq, I like your articles that made it good here, because I also interested in ancient history of middle east, I want to ask you if you have any contributes in arabic wiki? There are articles to make better --FPP (talk) 20:45, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Muhanna ibn Isa

Allen3 ^talk 12:28, 23 December 2015 (UTC)

Well done.

		The Epic Barnstar
		For your outstanding efforts and determination toward making Palmyra the Featured Article it is today. I applaud you my friend and am honored to be among your Wikipedian peers. Alf mabruk, and please, keep up the great work. Cheers! Al Ameer (talk) 00:12, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I second that, great work, and nice that you dug in even though it dragged out! Hope to see more. FunkMonk (talk) 00:18, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Many thanks User:Al Ameer son and User:FunkMonk for those kind words. They really mean something to me and Im very happy that I got your support. You are both very kind. I have many articles to rewrite but between work and college my time is limited for now so I hope to get on with those articles in the coming three months or so. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 12:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Palmyrene kingdom/empire

Why should we distinguish between these two things? The Palmyrene empire was just the Palmyrene kingdom after its expansion into Egypt. It did not renounce its nominal Roman allegiance in 270. There should be one article on the Palmyrene state during the whole period from c.260 to 273. That would be less confusing and more helpful to the average reader with limited knowledge of the period. Do you disagree? Srnec (talk) 18:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

While I'm here... List of Palmyrene monarchs. Wouldn't it be better to put the list of ancient rulers in the Palmyrene Empire article and create a separate article on the medieval al-Fadl? Srnec (talk) 18:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

The empire is used to indicate the rebellion of Zenobia. This rebellion started the moment that Zenobia sent her armies to Bosra in beginning of 270. The kingdom of Odaenathus isnt an empire and having read every source I could find when I wrote the articles of Palmyra, Odaenathus and Palmyrene Empire, I didnt find any scholar who calls the kingdom of Odaenathus or the reign of Zenobia before the conquests an empire.

So the empire period isnt just the expansion of the kingdom but the beginning of hostilities between Palmyra and Rome and thats why we have a distinction.

As for the rulers, they ruled the same city. You can make a list in the Palmyrene empire article but it will be a short list as it will only contain Zenobia, her son and septimius antiochus.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 20:11, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

"The empire is used to indicate the rebellion of Zenobia". That's what I expected and that's the problem. There isn't a state here so much as a series of military campaigns. And I think it's confusing, because the Palmyrene state—the thing that was expanded into an ephemeral empire in 270–71—has no article of its own. Since the current article has a background section anyway, why not just turn it into an article on the Palmyrene state from beginning under Odaenathus to end under Zenobia? The title isn't an issue: it can be changed, and it's not like "Palmyrene empire" is contemporary. The original version of the article before you expanded it did not begin in 270. The Oxford Companion to Classical Civilization, Oxford Dictionary of the Classical World and The Oxford Classical Dictionary all use the term "Palmyrene ‘empire’," always in lower case and always in quotation marks, to refer to the state under Odaenathus and his successors. Srnec (talk) 23:20, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Well, you asked why the distinction and its the Palmyrene shift from vassals to enemies that mark the transition into an empire. Odaenathus did control huge swathes of lands but only as a supreme military leader while his royal authority was confined (although not in practice) to Palmyra. Zenobia on the other hands ruled outright as the monarch of all the lands she conquered and thats why her state is an empire (very short lived ofcourse).

The original version (full of mistakes) only had the number 260 instead 270 as the beginning year. If the article is going to cover the entire period from the rise of Odaenathus then it should be expanded hugely. I can do it this week maybe. Until then, the section "Palmyrene kingdom" in the main article of Palmyra is similar to an independent article dedicated to the state established in 260--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:57, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Palmyra Castle

I moved the page Fakhr-al-Din al-Maani Castle to Palmyra Castle, since the latter is more commonly used in news sources etc. Do you agree with this, or should the page be moved back? Xwejnusgozo (talk) 14:18, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey Xwejnusgozo, If its more common then you did the right thing. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 15:50, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Mr Attar-Aram can you view Lion of Babylon (statue) article? and correct the grammar mistakes? --FPP (talk) 04:27, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

No prob.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 14:30, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Al Fadl

Hey Attar, thought you might find this source useful: [1]. You might have it already. It details the origins and rule of the Al Fadl dynasty. Apparent Isa ibn Muhanna was amir al-'arab as early as 1260. He succeeded his father Muhanna who succeeded his father Mani' who in turn succeeded his father Haditha, the grandson of the dynasty's founder Fadl ibn Rabi'ah, who as an amir of some sort by 1107. They were descendants of the Banu Tayy branch of Mufarrij ibn Daghfal ibn al-Jarrah. I'm working on an article about them (see Al Fadl draft) and I'll come back to you for help on this in the coming days. Cheers --Al Ameer (talk) 21:31, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Hey Al Ameer, amazing work. I will read it and as always im ready to help.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:01, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Just moved Isa ibn Muhanna to mainspace. Thinking to nominate it for DYK so please add anything that's missing. I've also expanded the Al Fadl draft, hopefully will be ready for mainspace by the end of the week. --Al Ameer (talk) 18:13, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Attar, I nominated Isa ibn Muhanna and Muhanna ibn Isa for GA. The former has passed, but there is a minor sourcing issue at Muhanna I was hoping you could address (since I can't translate Arabic). Please see, Talk:Muhanna ibn Isa/GA1. I know you're quite busy so any help is appreciated. Cheers --Al Ameer (talk) 17:33, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Hey Al Ameer. I'll look at it now (just noticed you mentioned me on that page but I didnt receive any notification).--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 06:46, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Your edits

Do not post any more material about the case I closed, either at ANI, my Talk page, or anywhere else on Wikipedia. You are violating a very strict policy, and I will be forced to block you if you persist. This is not open to discussion. If you look at the history of your last edits at ANI and those on my Talk page, you should be able to figure it out. That's the most I am able to tell you.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

User:Bbb23, in your page, you declare yourself nice and want people to be nice. So, can you be nice to me and explain what kind of policy am I violating and why cant my evidence that a blocked IP is editing with an account isnt being taken into consideration ?

I have an evidence that this user is a blocked IP and I want to open a case for this, can you be nice and tell me where should I go?.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 22:52, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm seeking some guidance on what I am permitted to tell you. Please be patient. I'll report back one way or the other. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:00, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply User:Bbb23.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:04, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

You violated WP:OUTING by posting a link to an external website in connection with a user. If you wish to pursue your report of sock puppetry, you can do that at WP:SPI but no more outing. I did you a favor by checking the accounts at ANI, but SPI is the normal place to allege sock puppetry, particularly when it's complicated and involves long-standing editors. If you have any questions, let me know.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I was surprised by the anger I was handled with User:Bbb23. Now at least I understand the reason. I have never heard of Outing to be honest and I saw many cases before where a reddit account was attached as those accounts aren't personal.

Since I cant use the reddit account then I have no evidence anymore. This guy survived even though he is a blocked user

Thanks anyway for taking the time to explain. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 23:58, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

• Attar-Aram syria, that wasn't anger, but rather insistence. Yes, please do not link such things anymore. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 01:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't aware

That putting links to other website was illegal. Btw, are there any ways I could talk with you in private ?

GoulGoul1 (talk) 18:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey, User:GoulGoul1. Never mind. As for talking privately, you can reach me by E-mail. If you dont know how to use the feature, open Wikipedia from a computer. To the left, beneath the Wikipedia logo, you will find many fields; the first is "Interaction" and under it "tools". In toold, you will find the option : E-mail this user.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 19:45, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Hatay

Hi there, I'm not sure what you mean by "okay, two can play this", we should work together to improve the article. Best, O.celebi (talk) 10:05, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Yes, that was kind of stupid to day. Apologies.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 10:08, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying with an additional source. Best, O.celebi (talk) 10:28, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

October 2016

Please do not delete highly relevant and well sourced content (here: war crimes by FSA groups) from articles on the basis of political activist definitions you invent. I respect your political opinions whatever they are, but Wikipedia is not the place to promote them. -- 91.61.68.107 (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Please stop making me getting you blocked like I did for the last year. This incident didn't happen in your imaginary rojava and the YPG militias never controlled those areas. Stop inventing states and stop giving the claims of militias legitimacy on wikipedia cause Wikipedia is definitely not the place for your dreams.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 18:07, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Shahba region

I have just nominated Shahba region article for deletion. Cheers, Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 23:57, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Palmyra -- great job!

Even though quite some time has passed ever since it reached FA status, I just wanted to tell; great job there! I just had a full read, and I can definetely attest to it that its a really neat one! :-)
Btw, is there any history-related matter/figure/etc. especially pertaining to Syria which you'd really like to see getting created? If yes, please don't hesitate to let me know. I'll be glad to help you out. - LouisAragon (talk) 02:14, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your kind words. I have many projects in mind but so little time sadly. I will ask your help whenever I start a new project. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 13:16, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Just want to chime in here, I'm still saddened by reading our comments during the GA review[2], where we predicted the destruction that was to come... So great you kept Palmyra alive here, in a sense... There is a lot more to be written about, so I'd advise you to not become too entangled in discussions about controversial topics; they take away too much writing energy, and there is always a risk of getting blocked for no good reason. I've tried it myself many times in my early days here, so trust me... You have greater missions to accomlish! FunkMonk (talk) 12:43, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Hey User:FunkMonk, long time. So I guess you are familiar with my new headache about Rojava and the persistent activists. Im trying to stay away, its hard. But in the last week, I realised its time to tone down. Im starting a new article here, hope you will review it when its GA nominated. Cheers.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 12:50, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Hehe, I used to discuss on for example Palestine/Israel related articles, and you can imagine what a minefield that was... After a while, I just realised it was a waste of time, there will always be a horde of edit-warriors to argue with, and new hordes to replace them later and undo every consensus reached before, so better to use one's energy where it will be lasting... Some editors are only here to edit-war, and the few of us who actually write articles have little to gain from discussing forever with such one-trick accounts... Other than ending up blocked or too exhausted to write... And yep, I'm looking forward to reviewing more of your articles! FunkMonk (talk) 12:59, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

Shahba thing

Hi Attar, I have opened a case here. Cheers. Amr ibn Kulthoumعمرو بن كلثوم (talk) 05:21, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

did you receive...

My message ?GoulGoul1 (talk) 15:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Europe 10,000 Challenge invite

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