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Well said!Liz ^{Read! Talk!}

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Staying cool when the editing gets hot!

If you came here just to insult me, I will delete your comments without a reply.
And if I wasn't involved, personal attacks clearly warrant a block.

Transclusions and category left behind by G7 deletion

Template:Daum TV series has a bunch of orphaned transclusions and at least one category. Is there a bot that needs to be notified about this deletion? I am not wise in the ways of XFD. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:22, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jonesey95,

Thanks for letting me know, I didn't think about this template's transclusions so I'm just removing them manually. There might be a bot that will do this but I don't know which one that would be. This deletion was a template creator request, not through a TFD discussion and I'm sure if that route had been taken, a bot would do all of the heavy lifting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:34, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Category:Florida circuit courts

Hi! Just wanted to let you know that I emptied Category:Florida circuit courts on April 30, and CSD C1 requires us to wait for 7 days prior to deletion. Edge3 (talk) 16:29, 1 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Edge3,

You are correct that the category needs to be empty for 7 days before deletion. But the category is tagged on the first day it is empty. That's how the system keeps track of the 7 day period...it's 7 days after the category has been tagged that it is empty. Empty categories that are tagged CSD C1 do not get deleted until 7 days have passed since they were tagged AND if they are still empty. Empty categories that are tagged that are not empty after 7 days have the tag removed. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:29, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

P.S. Editors are not supposed to empty categories "out-of-process". If you want to rename a category, merge categories or delete categories, please nominate them at WP:CFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:09, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah, thank you for clarifying! I don't have much experience with speedy deletions, so I appreciate your willingness to explain the process. As for the changes I made, I actually blanked several articles (Seventh Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, Tenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, Eleventh Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, Thirteenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida, and Eighteenth Judicial Circuit Court of Florida) and redirected them to Florida circuit courts. That is why Category:Florida circuit courts is now empty. Hopefully that was the correct procedure; please let me know if it was not. Edge3 (talk) 01:59, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

FYI - in case this gets questioned, I posted a quick note at Talk:Florida circuit courts to explain what I did. Edge3 (talk) 16:23, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

That's excellent, Edge3. Although you might run into pushback by announcing bold actions you've taken, it's always better to be transparent than doing edits surreptitiously. I'm not saying that's what you did but it's how things can be perceived by others. As for whether you did the correct action, I'm not knowledgeable about Wikipedia's category structure on the U.S. court system. I'd look at how other states' court categories are organized and emulate the best examples. Of course, it could be that your system is superior and then you could take on other states besides Florida! There is never a shortage of work to be done here. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:35, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

WP:REVDEL request

Liz, can I please request a WP:REVDEL on this edit at Scarlett Estevez – as this involves a minor, it's even more egregious. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:02, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:13, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

Treptichnus pedum

Hi Liz. I have requested a move on this article at Talk:Treptichnus pedum. This article should clearly exist at the genus level. I was previously simply follwing the advice obtained at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1102 § Swap page title with one of a page title redirecting to the first page. Thanks. YorkshireExpat (talk) 09:11, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, YorkshireExpat,

The example you link to at the Teahouse was a page and a redirect that had no history. In the recent case, you wanted to delete a page with a 14 year edit history to replace it with a different article. These are two different situations. We typically try to preserve the page with the fuller, longer edit history rather than replace it with a new article because we need to preserve attribution history. That's why I suggested merging the content of two articles rather than deleting one. Is there a reason why you don't want to do this? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:55, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Liz:. For paleontology articles convention is for the article to exist at the genus level, not species, e.g. Tyrannosaurus is the page that exists and Tyrannosaurus rex is a redirect to that. This currently the wrong way round with Treptichnus pedum and Treptichnus. Note also the 'other species' section that exists on both pages; in my view that would be enough to justify moving the article for an extant species. Essentially, the contents need swapping, but I appreciate the need to maintain history (hence, don't just swap manually (looking at the history for Treptichnus someone has tried to do this already and it got reverted)). I don't think I had grasped the subtleties involved. I have rasied a request here now; hopefully this is correct. Thanks.YorkshireExpat (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

undelete

Category:Animated western (genre) animation is no longer empty. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:28, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done, BHG. Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:50, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Liz. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:45, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Jaime Brooks § Jaime Brooks Wikipedia page serves as advertisement for off-site projects

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Jaime Brooks § Jaime Brooks Wikipedia page serves as advertisement for off-site projects. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)Template:Z48

Hey Liz. You were mentioned here (but the "ping" was malformed) and I'm just letting you know as a courtesy just it case you weren't watching the article. FWIW, the OP has been indef'd for WP:SOCK, but they seem to be involved with some real world dispute with the subject of the article which is probably the only reason they were on Wikipedia. Apparently, the article was WP:REFUNDed after you'd prod deleted it, and the prodder was unwilling to accept that outcome and take the article to AfD instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:24, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

assistance with possible block.

Please see the talk p. for Care.com. and its history. I think one of the parties will probably need to be blocked, (see my user talk here, ,[1] but I've already done enough there, and it would be better if the block should be done by someone else. DGG ( talk ) 07:39, 5 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DGG,

As an admin, I'm not quick to block unless there is pretty clear misconduct but I'll take a look. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

and neither am I. but it does need watching. DGG ( talk ) 02:37, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

It looks like you took out the bad sources but I'm a bit concerned about the paid editor even though I knew he's very professional and he knows the COI guidelines better than most of us. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:50, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Requested undeletion for K. V. Dhanesh

Could you please undelete the page K. V. Dhanesh? You deleted it because it was created by a sockpuppet, but Dhanesh is still a notable athlete who captained the Indian National football Team, and in requesting undeletion I take responsibility for the article.Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC). Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:30, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jackattack1597,

I have restored K. V. Dhanesh. Please make an immediate edit to the page to make good on your promise to take responsibility for the article. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:39, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft schedules

Hi Liz, I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the drafts you have been deleting today, like Draft:Mohammad Shawky Hassan, are scheduled for deletion for tomorrow, not today. The bot decided to just skip November 6 on the subpage for some reason. ✗plicit 02:29, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

I will try to go over them to verify. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to look at deleted material. I try to stay a few days ahead in screening them, but this past week is one of the times I have not been able to keep up, as things at RS and Fringe have not merely distracted me, but upset me to the extent I'm reluctant to get started each day. DGG ( talk ) 02:40, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

@DGG: As for an easy way to look at deleted material, I stumbled across User:DGG/vector.js from whatlinkshere. To enable that quickviewdeleted script, you'd need to remove the lines that don't begin with "importScript". Because the remaining is the comment syntax which surrounds the importScript line and prevents it from working. – SD0001 (talk) 18:33, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Explicit,

Oh, damn, I've been working with CSD G13s since last September, I should remember this happens whenever the current month (April) is 30 days and the expiring month (October) is 31 days. SDZeroBOT misses a day updating its list that I use, User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon. It caused bad problems in February which is only 28 days, the bot skipped 3 daily reports. I've mentioned this to the bot operator, SD0001 but there hasn't been a fix yet. I appreciate you calling my attention to this. I'll just see what pops up on User:SDZeroBot/G13 eligible list tomorrow for drafts expiring May 6th. I'll work on something else like categories. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:46, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Atossa Therapeutics

You deleted the page citing that the page only cited its own website. However, all those cites were removed and the article was re-cited with independent sources several days ago. Is it possible to re-evaluate again as it seems the edit was overlooked. Thank you.73.0.115.41 (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, 73.0.115.41,

A few comments. The rationale for deleting a Proposed deletion is added by the person proposing deletion, not by the administrator who deletes the page. Second, there are three formal types of deletion for articles on Wikipedia, Speedy deletion, Proposed deletion or PRODs and Articles for deletion or AFDs. AFDs involve a week-long discussion and those types of deletion are difficult to undo. Speedy deletion tags can be removed if you are not the page creator but your tag removal might be challenged. But for PRODs, an editor who disagrees with the deletion rationale is able to remove the tag and any contested PROD can be easily restored. Atossa Therapeutics was deleted as a PROD and since you challenged it, I was able to restore it. The only caveat is that the editor who PROD'd the article might decide to propose it for deletion at AFD...if they choose to do so, you can always go to this discussion and argue against its deletion. But, as of now, the article and its talk page are restored upon your request.

Sorry if this all is confusing, if you ever have questions about policies and procedures on Wikipedia, the Teahouse is a good place to go for answers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:06, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Not confusing at all - thank you for your explanation and assistance!73.0.115.41 (talk) 02:53, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Handling G5s

I find your rationale over some of the pages[2][3][4] concerning Kashmorwiki to be misleading. This isn't how G5 is actually treated here.

G5 is very clear that "This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others."

It has been already clarified a number of times on administrator noticeboards that mere editing, reverts, touchups don't count as "substantial" edits.[5][6]

To make it more simple, G5 was supposed to get rid of contributions made in violation of ban or block. If no one is coming ahead to take responsibility for the creation then you are supposed to delete the page. That's how G5 works. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Waiting for your response. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 17:50, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

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Question about Undeletion

Hi Liz, I would like to ask if there is a chance to restore article Giovanni Morassutti. I am aware it went through an AFD and there is the sockpuppet issue but the page has been reviewed two times and in my humble opinion it qualifies for a Wikipedia article and meets GNG since there is significant coverage in independent, published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject like this, this or this. What do you reccomend in this kind of situation? Thanks --Ibudolor (talk) 19:15, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ibudolor,

An admin can't unilaterally reverse a AFD decision but you could try creating a draft and submitting it to Articles for Creation. That, and Deletion review, are the only ways I know for overcoming a deletion decision in a AFD. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:22, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Liz, I blocked this editor as a sock earlier today.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 23:24, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

notice of deletion review

Since you mentioned on my talk page that I shouldn't add red categories, I thought you might be interested in seeing the deletion review of Asian-American librarians, which relates to the notice you left for American librarians of Korean descent. Thanks in advance for any help you'd be willing to provide. Skvader (talk) 21:44, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Skvader,

I leave quite a few notices about red link categories when I'm working on Special:WantedCategories as reminders to editors to not add red link categories if they aren't going to create the categories themselves because when editors add red link categories, 95% of the time, it requires other editors to go back to those articles and remove those nonexistent categories. So, it just creates work for other editors who need to go and undo their addition. These notices are meant to be an informational message rather than a reprimand because many editors aren't familiar with the category creation process. These instances usually aren't complicated like your situation that involves a deletion review. I assume if the category is restored, it will no longer be a red link category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:32, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm just asking for help. Skvader (talk) 00:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Speedy to review

Hello Liz, Could you review Illegal gymnastic skills soeedy deletion ? "Illegal" should not be taken literally (law) but in the context of gymnastic (banned). There are sources available online and on Wikipedia, it generally refers to dangerous gymnastic routines-moves (called "skill") or to overly repeatitive ones, banned by international gymnastic associations. I am on mobile right now so i wasn't able to edit much, but listing those banned gymnastic moves shouldn't be controversial, and the hoax-based speedy deletion is incorrect. Wikipedia itself documents several gymnastic skills (=routines=moves), detailling why they are banned/illegal. At least one existing Wikipedia article use the term "illegal" and online sources do as well. At least Thomas salto and Korbut flip ("illegal to stand on top of the bars") are documented, within Wikipedia, as illegal/banned gymnastic skill. I'm confident other banned gymnastic skills are documented elsewhere on Wikipedia. A quick search online return a dozen(s) more banned gysmnastic skills. Such list-article will need some care tho, possibly to rename it in order to avoid litteral reading (law) and confusion. "List of banned gymnastic skills" could be more suitable and source can be added, but i dont see the rational to speedy delete it based on hoax argument. Yug (talk) 09:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Yug,

I think the main problem with this page is that it has no references at all and so it looks like original research. Upon your request though, I have restored it and moved it to Draft space so you can continue to improve it when you are on a laptop or desktop where it is easier to find references. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:51, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Received, thank.

I was just passing by this topic and wanted to wikify a bit into a simple list / disambiguation / redirect page. It start to become overly complex for a simple list, but I will try to push it a bit. Yug (talk) 13:46, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Moved to Draft:List of banned gymnastics skills.

Hello Liz, I eventually made a quick sourcing using sources cited in other Wikipedia articles and added another one from a sport outlet. I searched the official FÉDÉRATION INTERNATIONALE DE GYMNASTIQUE documentation, but the document seems to avoid to mention these forbidden skills by name. fr:Salto Thomas cites this previous document, but uses a section with broader terms which then implies a type of move-skills is banned (given this definition we can interpret that Thomas Salto is banned). Could you mentor me on this one ? I don't dare to move it back by myself since this side-project wikification already earned me hoax accusations by 2 admins. IMO, this content could also simply worth a minor section within Code of Points (artistic gymnastics). It would be ideal since it would encourage others contributors with interest in Gymnastic to complete the list. I will then asap move out of this topic. Yug (talk) 14:50, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

Revdelete request

I'm assuming this is unacceptable per WP:BLPCRIME as well. [7]. The person with this name is a suspect in missing person case. His name is not in the main article. Scorpions13256 (talk) 14:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Scorpions13256,

 Done Thanks for bringing that to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:29, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

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Would Potentially Like to Request Recreation of a Page Previously Deleted

Hi Liz,

I tried to create an article about the company I work for at the end of 2019. It was rejected due to lack of notability (and also possibly due to my COI) and 6 months later you deleted it due to inactivity. We have more sources now and I would therefore like to consider reactivating it (with the same title) and trying again to get it published, this time with the new sources, and not as a separate article in itself but as a scaled-down English-language version/translation of the Czech original. Are you the right person to ask for reactivation? If so, it's also worth noting that I don't want to submit anything for review yet. I am a little confused about Wikipedia's processes and want to collect all the info before acting, so as to prevent any fumbles. Thanks in advance for help.

Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jack_Zagorski/Mana_(meal_replacement)

Jack Zagorski (talk) 11:49, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Unnecessary restaurations

Hi Liz, I'm just going to ask what is the reason for restoring deleted edits if apparently no one has asked you to do so. It seems to me more like a form of punishment on your part for recreating some deleted Starzoner drafts, is that forbidden? It doesn't seem fair to me to restore edits from a user who has created drafts by violating their lock. Bruno Vargas _{Eñe'ẽ avec moi} 19:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

It would be very courteous of you to at least give an answer instead of continuing to restore edits of a user blocked multiple times and who has created and abandoned hundreds of drafts, otherwise I will have to report your actions where appropriate, since apparently only You do it for particular reasons and not because I have violated any policy. Bruno Vargas _{Eñe'ẽ avec moi} 23:39, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I’m returning

Hi Liz, I’m decided to come back. 100.11.109.181 (talk) 19:52, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Re: Deletion tagging

I was unable to notify the deletion because the username contained the phrase "is gay" which is blacklisted. I couldn't create the talk page as only admin can create blacklisted titles. What could I have done? aeschyIus (talk) 20:37, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Restoring a page for improvements

Hi, Liz! I hope you are doing fine. I saw that a page I created got deleted because I didn't respond on time for the PROD tag. I am sorry for that I got stuck somewhere. Can you please restore that page David Xiaoshan. I will add more sources to the page to fix source requirement issues. Precisely waiting for your update. Cornssmug (talk) 10:29, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

OK

IM OK WITH THE AIHOLE FORT DRAFT BEING DELETED.

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Category:Deaths from the COVID-19 pandemic in Nicaragua

Hello! Since you are the one who deleted the category, I would like to inform you that since I created the article of Paul Oquist, a senior Nicaraguan government official who passed away due to COVID-19, I am about to create the category again, hoping that Orquist's article will not be deleted, making the category empty again. Regards! _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:10, 14 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, _-_Alsoriano97,

Categories that are deleted simply because they are empty can be restored whenever there is a need for them. Go for it! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:12, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2021

Hello! I wasn't sure who to reach out to, but since you were showing up as one of the currently active admins, thought I should bring it to your notice.

The article Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, 2021 seems to be a bit biased. I'm not sure but it seems like the article only portrays the facts from one side of the conflict and there might be some reliability issues.

Could you take a look at the article.

Thank you! Pakib007 (talk) 02:02, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Pakib007,

I think you should bring your concerns about content to the article talk page. If you think there is misconduct going on by individual editors, please bring evidence to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement since there are discretionary sanctions in the Palestine-Israel area.

As personal advice, admins tend to focus on particular activities and mine isn't really content. If you would like to approach an admin who is active in moderating disputes in the Palestine-Israel area, check out the arbitration enforcement log for this topic and see which admins are knowledgeable and active in this disputed area. They might be able to provide more help than I. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:11, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Clarification on G1

Hey! I thought I'd given Morneo06 good advice here regarding WP:G1, but then I saw you deleted the page in question, so now I'm thinking perhaps I've misunderstood how it's applied? I've only ever used it for stuff like "apfdohjea;fdsjhads". Could you clarify? Thanks. -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 19:46, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamzin,

No, you have the correct understanding of that CSD criteria. I should have changed the CSD criteria for the page before deleting it. It technically wasn't gibberish but it was a rant about Trump put on a talk page that had nothing to do with him. It was obviously inappropriate content that had nothing to do with Senate races in Iowa but I just deleted it without changing it to a different criteria. Generally, as an admin, I limit my deletions to PRODS and only certain types of CSDs but I decided just to act and took a shortcut. I don't do this often but I should have made the rationale more clear. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Ah okay. Yeah, I figured it was deleteable under some criterion or another (G6's "wrong namespace" if nothing else), which is why I didn't untag when I brought it to Morneo06's attention (re-pinging since he was looking for clarification too). Not the sort of thing I'd normally bother bringing up with a deleting admin, but just wanted to be sure I hadn't misstated things to him. By the way, thanks for always being around to instantly delete the userpages I tag as G10! -- Tamzin (she/they, no pref.) | o toki tawa mi. 03:12, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

Contacting you as a random recently-active admin in Category:Wikipedia administrators willing to handle RevisionDelete requests: I reckon this is revdel-able (but not quite OSable). Would you mind taking a look and revdelling if you think that's necessary? — Bilorv (talk) 13:47, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

@Bilory: I saw your message because I have Liz's talk page on my watch list, and I have deleted the offending revision. —C.Fred (talk) 14:04, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, C.Fred, much appreciated. — Bilorv (talk) 14:36, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you from me, too, C.Fred. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 15:31, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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Bogus Sonic games

Hey, Kiz. It's recently been queried on who has been making these fake Sonic articles, such as Sonic Unleashed 2. You've been deleting them, so by chance do you know who made them in the first place? Panini!^🥪 16:01, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Panini!, [8] [9] — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 17:32, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for everything

I just stop by to thank you for your unnecessary restorations and deletions of articles that I have dedicated time to, it did not cost you anything at least to move them to drafts. Thanks for everything Liz, this is my definitive retirement from this project, for people like you good editors are lost. Bruno Vargas _{Eñe'ẽ avec moi} 17:43, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Was I wrong about this redirect?

When I moved the Draft:Schmigadoon redirect to Schmigadoon per the creator request, I left a redirect. I honestly would have suppressed the redirect if I could have, but I don't have suppressredirect. Would that have been wrong? None of the reasons for keeping a redirect seem to apply here. It's too new (17 May) for linkrot and never had incoming links besides temporarily from the move request, there's no old article to leave a trail for, the original creator would have created it in article space if they could have (but they're not autoconfirmed), and it isn't helping users who make a typo when looking for an article. The redirect was created "because the main article title appears to break when sent via Apple iMessage", which the redirect in the draft namespace doesn't help with, hence the move request and subsequent move. The reason I'm asking is because I've been thinking of applying for page mover, if I would have been wrong to suppress the redirect in this case I really want to know. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:40, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Alexis Jazz,

Sorry for the delay in responding. Here's the thing, when you become a page mover, you can uncheck a box that says, "Leave a redirect". That would be your choice with each page move. There are advantages to leaving a redirect even when it doesn't seem absolutely necessary to have one. I sometimes have to ask page movers to leave redirects after a page move because it can break all of the other, existing redirects to the new page location and cause them to be deleted by one of our bots that deletes broken redirects. That's not good.

But, as an admin, when I'm looking at speedy deletion requests, they have to fit one of the specified criteria. A redirect from Draft space to an main space article doesn't qualify for R2, R3, R4 or G8. The only criteria that I can see applying is G6, for uncontroversial maintenance deletion but that is a judgment call and, in my judgment, I'd simply prefer to leave an unnecessary redirect than delete it. I think most editors would like to think that every admin would treat every situation exactly the same but a fair amount is left to the admin's discretion and that was my decision. I hope this explanation helps with this particular example. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I already knew about the checkbox as I have suppressredirect elsewhere. There were no existing redirects to Draft:Schmigadoon for a bot to break, were there? I know there can be less-than-obvious reasons for keeping a redirect, it's just that none of them seemed to apply here. It's not wrong to keep the redirect, that's a judgment call. I suppose I could rephrase the question: if I had suppressredirect and would have suppressed the redirect, would that have been a judgment call or just wrong? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

DEMCO

I totally understand, Liz. My fault for dropping the ball on the Demco piece. Kind of sad that it’s gone, but thank you for providing information on how I might be able to retrieve it. Pangurban22 (talk) 21:18, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

I have a question, Liz. I see that there is now a little page (stub?) for Demco, and it's no longer a draft. It looks very much like what I had in my draft, only shortened quite a bit. My question is if this is indeed my article that got edited and placed here or is it something someone else has done? I couldn't figure it out but looking at the history page, I think Bleubsdorf had made the first entry for it on 1 July 2020. Did they just copy my work and just cut out a lot of the detail? I'm not being fussy about credits and who did what, just wondering and trying to understand. Thank you very much.

--Pangurban22 (talk)

Hello, Pangurban22,

While it might seem that Demco would be an obscure subject for a large project like Wikipedia, it is not unusual for there to be articles both in Draft space and Main space of the project at the same time although you started your version first in 2019. It frequently happens with movies that there are several competing Drafts at the same time about the same film. But the two Demco pieces don't look alike at all. I don't think Bleubsdorf ever saw your Draft and instead just independently decided to write an article on Demco. I can restore your Draft, if you'd like, but you would have to try to merge any valuable content in your Draft with the existing article. I will say that Bleubsdorf's article more closely resembles articles that AfC reviewers would approve than your much longer article. You had a lot of unnecessary content in your Draft that would have had to be removed to get approval. New page reviewers prefer short, direct, well-referenced articles over longer pieces of work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:18, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Haha, it’s okay, but thank you for offering. My version wasn’t available, so it felt the same, but I believe you. Plus, of all the things to plagiarize, an entry on DEMCO would be both funny and sad (English needs a satisfactory word for that). We’re here sharing information with the world, and that’s been accomplished, so no worries. Thank you, Liz, for all your work and dedication. Pangurban22 (talk) 04:40, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, please don't let this discourage you. We need content creators and you learn through experience. Wikipedia will never be finished. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:48, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I think a better article is possible, but it would take a good deal of work in sources that may not be easily available. I'll see what I have around --I have quite a few library management type books from back when I was teaching the subject--and from when I thought I was going to do some research on the history of the practical side of librarianship. DGG ( talk ) 06:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, again! Want to hear something funny? After your original message, I requested that draft:demco be restored, not knowing there was already another entry for it. And, within an hour of our last communication and decision, the draft page was restored. So here's the plan: you tell me I'm not going hit the lotto jackpot, then I immediately buy a ticket, and then we talk a little and decide the odds really are pretty slim. Soon after, I win the jackpot and split it with you for your half. I'm kidding. Hope you have a great weekend. Btw, I'm a librarian too, though now mostly teaching freshman comp. Okay, bye :) Pangurban22 (talk) 17:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh wait, it says DGG. Sorry DGG, I thought I was talking with Liz. My confusion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pangurban22 (talk • contribs) 17:55, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Clarity

The explanation I gave you on my tp might have been a tad bit too ambiguous, I have however re-worded it, see here and re-read it. Stay safe Celestina007 (talk) 02:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate the explanation, Celestina007. I guess there are downsides of having these editing contests. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:06, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Likewise, I’m very much skeptical about them and never participate in any of them as I believe the cons outweigh the pros. Celestina007 (talk) 03:19, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Velar/Chettiar

I tried to rollback the edit but i said it was failed. The article was previously deleted cause of CopyVivo by admin. Than it was created back again within a few minutes i csd it as spam but you moved it into draft space but the creating user is again moving it from Draft to Mainspace. Look into the matter. Owlf (talk) 20:32, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Owlf,

I removed the CSD tag because it didn't seem like obvious vandalism to me. The page creator stated they removed the copyright violating material but I believe it needs to be reviewed by AFC so I moved it back to Draft space and submitted it to AFC. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:03, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Move Deeringothamnus r. To Asimina genus

In 2015 Deeringothamnus rugelii was moved to the Asimina genus Addysgreenhouse (talk) 21:02, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Addysgreenhouse,

I look over somewhere around 400-600 pages a day on Wikipedia. Could you give me a link to what you are talking about? Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:58, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I edited the page "Deeringothamnus rugelii". On the second paragraph I added the citation where the species was moved back into the genus Asimina making it Asimina rugelii instead. Addysgreenhouse (talk) 18:36, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Me and a couple other botanists that mainly work with Annonaceae will be loading all of the Asimina and Annona species with as much as we know. Addysgreenhouse (talk) 18:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deeringothamnus_rugelii Addysgreenhouse (talk) 18:38, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Not sure if a whole new page would need to be created Addysgreenhouse (talk) 18:39, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Page : Velar/Chettiar

Liz,

I have reverted Velar/chettiar page by mistake. But I have given 💯 justification to the article also done some modifications. Every single line from the article is sourced from reliable article.

Kindly to go through the article and let me know the sentence should be removed to make the article clear and crispy. Tamilan pugal (talk) 21:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tamilan pugal,

As you can see by the message above yours, there are questions about whether your article contains copyright violations. The reason I moved it to Draft space is because it was tagged for speedy deletion. I removed the deletion tag and moved it to Drafts instead so that a Articles for Creation reviewer can look it over. They are editors who spend their time evaluating new articles which is an activity I don't spend time doing. Since questions still remain, I moved your article back to Drafts and submitted it for AFC review.

You can continue to work on it but a reviewer will take a closer look at the sourcing. I do not recommend you moving the page back into Main Space because it could very well be tagged for deletion again which is what frequently happens to new articles that raise questions. I think if it receives the AFC stamp of approval, it is very unlikely to be deleted which is why I moved it back to Drafts.

If you have questions about AfC or the deletion process, I encourage you to visit the Teahouse where experienced editors can help you out. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:10, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

This information will really helps to improve the article. Much appreciated Tamilan pugal (talk) 08:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

AfC notification: Draft:Velar has a new comment

I've left a comment on your Articles for Creation submission, which can be viewed at Draft:Velar. Thanks! Robert McClenon (talk) 00:15, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
	It should be roughly 00:22 in New Jersey if I’m not mistaken, it’s been a while I visited my family in NJ. It’s currently 5:18am in Nigeria where I currently reside, to be honest we are both robots, You are indeed a tireless contributor. Thanks for all your tireless contributions Liz Celestina007 (talk) 04:21, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

What are you doing up, Celestina007? You're on UTC time, right? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:25, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

UTC + 1, so whilst the time stamp on my comment says 4:21am it’s actually “5:21” in Nigeria. I can’t sleep because my knees are killing me, I played basketball extensively today, and for someone with acromegaly that was pretty silly of me and to think I still have to prepare for work in the next 40 minutes. But wait! back right at you, why haven’t you gone to bed yet? Is there still a lockdown stay at home policy in NJ? Celestina007 (talk) 04:41, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Sincere request for Guidance and Help

I have been following the Discussion on article for deletion of Vikash Verma and also have been commenting and putting my points forward. But unfortunately, Its all going in vain as the reviewers and other user who has nominated the page for deletion are not judging the article on it merits and supporting evidences which are given in my comment. I am writing this to you, as I could see that you also had made a positive edit on to this page and would like to request you to please review the discussion page and let me know. I need your help in having the said article survive, completely on merit and not to deleted because of some misunderstood criteria. I maybe wrong somewhere and that's why I need your expert help in this. Archiedesai (talk) 08:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Archiedesai,

All I did was change a category on the article, I'm not invested in whether it stays or goes. But I looked over the deletion discussion and it seems like you have several editors arguing for saving the article and offering a detailed defense of it. That is much, much more than happens in most deletion discussions on Wikipedia.

A few points: Tweets and social media are not considered reliable sources. Also, just because someone was mentioned in a news story does not make them notable. Winning an award is not always very notable. There are plenty of awards that get presented that are just honorary, they don't reflect the quality of his work.

Rather than overwhelming discussion participants with too much information, regulars at these kinds of discussion are looking for 3 or 4 GOOD, reliable secondary sources. Present a few of the most substantial coverage he has received, do not mention every little website where his name has come up. Stick with a few good sources from well-regarded media organizations.

Also, if this article does get deleted, that doesn't meant that there will never, ever be an article on Verma. I would recommend saving a copy of the article content and working on a draft article which you can submit to Articles for Creation to get reviewed. Those are just some of my thoughts. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

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PlayScore article

I would like to re-write the PlayScore article that was removed.

The reason that there should be a PlayScore article is simple:

- OMR products are complex, and that a new one arrives is rare.
- PlayScore is first serious new product to hit the market in about 10 years.
- It is offered at with an attractive subscription model.

I understand that there were shortcomings in the original version of the article. Wikipedia's reaction (immediately insinuating a financial interested, and deleting an update to an OMR article that I had done in November 2019) was uncalled for.

Should I even bother to do this? Is the old version of the article still available, or would I have to start from scratch? Heinzr99 (talk) 00:20, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Heinzr99,

There are problems with the article but I have restored it and moved it to User:Heinzr99/PlayScore where you can work on improving it. You can not write content that promotes this product/website, it has to reflect a neutral point of view.

If you move it directly back into main space of the encyclopedia, I am very sure that it will be deleted again. You need to submit it to Articles for Creation and have a reviewer look it over and let you know how you can improve it to meet Wikipedia standards. Good luck. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:43, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Liz, thanks for your advice! Heinzr99 (talk) 00:50, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

delete it Draft

Hello dear colleague Liz. I recently created Ariana Nabaey article, but after checking the sources, I realized I was wrong and asked to delete it, which was deleted. Now the person has created an account with his real name and wants to publish his draft. Please delete the draft like the article itself. It should be noted that the user insulted me on my talk page in this regard.--Parizad (talk) 16:16, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

And let me also say that the article was evaluated by a poll, which is the seal of approval for the deletion of the article.--Parizad (talk) 16:22, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Parizad,

I typically do not delete drafts of articles that have been deleted in deletion discussions because there should be a way for editors to overcome the verdict in a deletion discussion by submitting a draft to AFC. But this draft was promotional so I have tagged it for deletion as I'd like another administrator to look it over, too. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:51, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

thank you.--Parizad (talk) 17:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Internal Security Act

Hello Liz. I can't quite work out what's gone on here [10]. There's a redirect Internal Security Act (disambiguation) that used to target Internal Security Act which ought therefore to have been a disambiguation page. Internal Security Act (disambiguation) now targets Internal Security Act (Singapore) which is clearly incorrect, but I can't find where the disambiguation page it should target has gone to. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:33, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Shhhnotsoloud,

Going through the page history and page logs, it seems like the page was moved or deleted and I created what was supposed to be a temporary redirect so that the Wikipedia bots could change all of the related redirects. But it's confusing and maybe the other admin involved can supply more information. But the important part of this response is not explaining what happened but letting you know that I restored the deleted edits and turned Internal Security Act back into the list article it was before it was deleted earlier in May and reverted the last edit on Internal Security Act (disambiguation). I hope this resolves the problem and I appreciate you bringing it to my attention. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Perfect. Thanks! Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Revdel request

Hi Liz, All edits by 106.208.247.227 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) need a revdel as grossly insulting. Would you do it? Thanks, — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:08, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you :) — kashmīrī ^TALK 23:17, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kashmiri,

 Done. I had to trust you on this because Google Translate didn't offer me any translation of this content. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:18, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Zishan Khan

Hi. The IP who created the above page is an obvious sock, meat or not. See Draft:Zeshan Khan (Awards list), Draft:Zeshan Haider Khan, Draft:Zeeshan (artist) and Draft:Zeshan Ali. --Minorax (talk) 02:56, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Minorax,

As an admin, I want to see that the page creator has been blocked as a sockpuppet and this IP wasn't. But I have tagged the draft for speedy deletion for being too promotional. In the future, you might want to ask a checkuser or report an account to SPI if you have suspicions that an account is a sockpuppet. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

METO disambiguation

Hi Liz I'm new here, thanks for your message on my talk page. A month ago I tried to create a METO disambiguation page which you speedily deleted following "Criteria for speedy deletion". You offered me to "restore the page and move it to Draft or User space so you can continue to work on it" - please could you do that? I want to address any problems so it can be featured again. Thanks! Beetheory Beetheory (talk) 09:07, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Beetheory,

I have restored the page and moved it to User:Beetheory/METO. I think the problem was that it wasn't really a disambiguation page, which is typically a list of existing Wikipedia articles having the same or similar names, it looks like you were starting a draft article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:30, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

socks Ariana Nabaey

Hello dear management If you remember Ariana Draft, which was tagged and deleted yesterday, was re-created by a user's socks. I request that you stop making this user's socks.This user seeks to create his article by making socks. Is there a way to prevent the activities of this user's socks?--Parizad (talk) 17:50, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Parizad,

If there was a fool-proof way to prevent editors from creating sockpuppets, then SPI would not be as busy as it always is. I'm not a checkuser so I don't know what IP this editor is using so I can't hard-block it (which is done in some cases). But I did protect several varieties of the page that he has created so that he can't create new versions of the same article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:24, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much. The administrator checked this issue and blocked the accounts.--Parizad (talk) 21:27, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

page creator isn't a blocked sockpuppet

Are you sure that Detoxtu is not Edgeback and Sorginak and Ridership and approximately 80 IPs ( I can provide the complete list if you like), or are you declining the CSD because Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Sorginak has not yet concluded that this is the same user? Thanks,

Hello, Vexations,

No, I can't be sure because I'm not a checkuser but I'm not going to delete a page based on suspicion and I don't think most admins would either. I need to see that a) the page creator is blocked as a sockpuppet (and not blocked for other reasons) and b) other editors haven't made substantial contributions to the page. Please do not prematurely tag pages when an editor is reported at an SPI case. Many editors have been suspected of being sockpuppets but haven't been shown to be sockpuppets. I know, I think I was reported at SPI when I first started editing. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:21, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Liz, Well, the user was just confirmed as a sockpuppet. I probably shouldn't submit the same CSD notice twice, so would you mind reverting your removal? Vexations (talk) 21:26, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Liz, I agree with what you said there. However this character is quite particular and we all agreed that it was none other than Sorginak. Can I replace the CSD, or could you delete it now? Thanks. 21:31, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done. That's all I needed to see! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:38, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Question

Hi, dear management, recently I created an article called Negin Parsa, which was taken to a poll, and in a user poll, it commented on the reputation of this article, which should be taken into account, but I could not do more precisely. If you have the time, take a look the article.--Parizad (talk) 01:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Parizad,

"Dear management"? I'm not management, I'm just an admin called Liz. I had to check and make sure you were the same editor who posted the query to me above this one. I have never heard of a "user poll" but Negin Parsa is the subject of a deletion discussion. Are you asking me to look that over? I don't participate much in AFDs and I'm not familiar with the subject matter. But I'll give it a look later tonight. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:05, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

I apologize. I did not mean to say the word "dear manager". In Persian, the word "dear" is a respected person. I apologize to you for this. I did not mean to check the article. A user in the poll had a description with a link that should have been taken.I asked you to tell me the user description in a simpler language so I can do it in the article.I apologize again for my mistake. managing Liz's .--Parizad (talk) 02:13, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Oh, the "dear" was fine, it was the "management" that surprised me. That's business language in the U.S., when you are talking about companies. No need to apologize, it was just a surprise because we tend to be informal on Wikipedia. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:41, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

YES. But we Iranians, because in my language we always like to speak respectfully to others, that is why we use these words.--Parizad (talk) 03:46, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, then in that case, thank you! Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:49, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Help us please

Hi Liz, we really need your help with AIV. Right now, there’s a person making a bunch of sockpuppets to attack the page Waiuku. It’s just LizardJr8, Reba16, and myself vs three vandal accounts. Can you lend us a hand and block the vandal accounts before they do any more damage? We’d all appreciate it. Thanks, 🐍Helen🐍 02:33, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helen,

I gave two of the editors short blocks and hopefully they will lose interest in editing. More importantly, I semi-protected the article for 3 days. Any idea why this small town would draw interest from internet trolls? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:43, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I have absolutely no idea. The only news from Waiuku I can see is that a health centre is getting a bit pushy with vaccines, but I don’t think that would be enough to launch a full scale war with three extended confirmed users. All that matters is... we stopped them. 🤩 🐍Helen🐍 02:50, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Well, thank you for your work, Helen. I wish there would come a time when there is no vandalism but we haven't reached nirvana yet. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:53, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

How rude

you deleted a company page related to cybersecurity - on what grounds? Ok, you can delete a page, on what authority do have the right to delete a compqany who has other companies to exist on Wikipedia? then surely you must delete them all no? why pick on one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Link8r (talk • contribs) 02:48, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

First, Link8r, you should sign your talk page posts using four tildes (~~~~). And secondly, what page are you talking about? I do a lot of page deletions and I need to see what the rationale was behind this one. There should also be an explanation on the deleted page that explains the reason why. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:51, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Redirects

Hello! I believe redirects Queen Kapau, Kapau-A-Nuakea and Kapau a Nuakea are without purpose, but they aren’t my creations, so I can’t request “deletion per author’s request”. If you have power,would you like to delete? Miha (talk) 11:07, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Miha,

I think you'll need to nominate them at Redirects for Discussion. "Not needed" is not grounds for deletion for Speedy deletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:58, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Palantir (disambiguation)

Hi Liz! Just fyi, you deleted this page last September under G14. It was decided here to turn the Palantir redirect into a dab page, so I created the (dab) redirect again. P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 18:21, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Paine, thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:55, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

It's my pleasure! Paine  22:06, 28 May 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Velar (May 29)

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Advice

Hi Liz: I've been trying to tune up my CSD game. I've discovered that here seems to be a missing category-- something like "G33: stuff teenagers think is funny, but has no encyclopedic value". Is there a valid deletion category for Draft:Theresa y Jacko's Wedding (2021)? Thanks. --- Possibly (talk) 06:02, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, --- Possibly,

I think that you could interpret this page as a test edit, maybe vandalism or a hoax. However, vandalism usually implies a disruptive intent and there aren't enough details in the content to be called a hoax because a lot of the page doesn't make sense. So, if I really thought it needed to be deleted, I'd call it a test edit.

But, you know, at this point in time as an editor, I'm spending a lot of the day looking at CSD G13 stale drafts as there are hundreds expiring each day. And they are almost all, I'd say 97%, are pretty bad or, to be more positive, very very incomplete drafts (DGG saves the promising drafts). So, there are a lot of "deleteable" pages in Draft space and it seems like there is an unspoken agreement to just let them expire after 6 months rather that try to speedy delete them. If it was me, I'd probably just leave it be because I doubt that this editor will return and work on it. Those of my 2 cents, late at night. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:16, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

thank you for the insightful advice!--- Possibly (talk) 15:14, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

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CK McCubbing (talk) 14:09, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Possible meat puppet

Hi Liz,

Could you please have a look at this. The editor also deleted a SPA notice at this AFD. Regards, VV 18:46, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, VV,

I don't have access to the Checkuser tools that would enable me to check on this. If you have concerns, you might consider contacting one of the Checkusers who patrol SPI. I have removed a personal attack by Amit Srivastava and posted a warning. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz. I now have the other editor accusing me of religious bias. VV 04:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi Liz, Request you to investigate VV comments on the same article ever since he has nominated it for deletion. You would find reasons to see a certain bias. He has shown WP:RUNAWAY to explanations/evidences and also WP:ATTP. As far as his complaint about me, the word "reliogious" bias was already deleted by me much before he commented and posted a warning on my page. I am new editor, and have been subjected to intimidation by both VV and Kichu. With hope that it will be a learning experience for a new user like me and I shall be encouraged to contribute to Wikipedia constructively. Thanks Shatbhisha6 (talk) 15:47, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Shatbhisha6,

I'm sorry if you feel intimidated. Sometimes the normal disagreement on Wikipedia can be a little bruising. But please, in this AFD and similar discussion pages, focus your remarks on the subject at hand, the article that is being considered, and do not attack other contributors. There are different forums for dispute resolution here. Since you are a new editor, if you have questions about them or editing on Wikipedia, please bring your concerns to the Teahouse. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:19, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Liz, thats exactly my point but VV chose to sidestep the discussion on the deletion as he couldnt argue further against the evidences/sources provided by me, he chose to attack me putting an unsigned comment on deletion discussion, that I'm a new user to discredit my arguments and edits, a clear case of WP:ATTP. Thanks again.

User:Clicketc

Sorry, I didn't see you had recently declined G11 of Clicketc's userpage when I deleted it U5. Looking at the user's edit, all they seem to be doing is spamming links for their own (== username) website. And possibly also sock/meat of Allinone365. If you think it's worth keeping as a viable proro-draft, I don't object to you undeleting it and I'll send it to AFD to sort out. DMacks (talk) 20:51, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DMacks,

Thanks for letting me know but I think different administrators view situations a variety of ways and if you think it should be deleted, that's okay with me. I just know that some new editors use their main user page for drafts and some CSD taggers will tag these pages as "Not a webhost" when the content would be perfectly okay if it had been placed in a sandbox. And the page might have changed since I viewed it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:56, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'm always extra-cautious against wheelwarring or stepping on other-hat-wearers' toes. DMacks (talk) 20:58, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Black Mixology Club - restore request

Hi Liz, can you please restore this draft? I think there may be additional sources. Thanks! S0091 (talk) 21:04, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, S0091,

 Done. I'm happy to. It was more interesting than most drafts I come across in my work. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:14, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I was able to find some more sources and resubmitted it. It needs more work but hate to put the time in if the sourcing is still not adequate. Will see. S0091 (talk) 21:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Taylor Swift sexual assault trial (2017) has been accepted

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Zoozaz1 talk 04:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Ambiguous category

"Orthodox churches in India" is an ambiguous category and cannot exist at that name. (1) Does it mean "church organizations" or "church buildings"? (2) "Orthodox" is inherently ambiguous. Does it mean "Eastern Orthodox" or "Oriental Orthodox"? In India, most churches are Oriental, however this category has been placed under an "Eastern Orthodox" (and largely empty) hierarchy for no good reason. Please do not re-populate it. I have duly nominated it for deletion. Elizium23 (talk) 01:18, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Elizium23,

I accept that explanation. Please take my effort to keep this category from being deleted as an empty category as well-intentioned. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:34, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

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Hi Liz. You'd be helping a noob if you recreated that article for them. All the best! ——Serial 18:01, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for letting me know. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much for doing so! like your pandemic instructions above, by the way 👍 ——Serial 08:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

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Removal of CSD tag on "O3b"

Hi Liz. I nominated O3b for speedy deletion and you removed the tag - possibly in part because I didn't bother to say why I thought the article should be deleted (yeah, I know). However, there was at least some method in my madness so I have put the CSD tag on it again (sorry if that makes me appear knee-jerk, or even just jerk!) and this time explained it in a note in the O3b's Talk page. So, I'd be grateful if you could revisit the CSD judgement. Thank you, Satbuff (talk) 08:40, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

OK, somebody else has seen my note on O3b's Talk page and achieved what I was aiming for by a completely different method (and removed my second CSD tag), so all is well. Sorry to bother you! Satbuff (talk) 14:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Is it not promotional?

Hi Liz, Please have a look at this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swati_Maliwal and its last 5 edits. Can personal claims unverified by independent sources be included in an article? Shatbhisha6 (talk) 08:48, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Re: Category:Orthodox churches in India

Hello,

I see that you have tried to restore and populate Category:Orthodox churches in India, however as a result it parented things that should not be parented. There are indeed Indian churches belonging to the Oriental Orthodox tradition numbering several million members. However this compound term should not be confused with the word Orthodox used on its own, which usually refers in English to an entirely different branch of Christianity, which is called on Wikipedia, for convenience, Eastern Orthodox. (See e.g. dictionary definitions at Oxford, Collins or Merriam Webster.) This term when used alone is dangerous (or at least ambiguous), that's why after much to-and-fro we seem to have settled with two distinct category trees at Category:Eastern Orthodoxy / Category:Eastern Orthodox church buildings and Category:Oriental Orthodoxy / Category:Oriental Orthodox church buildings.

That's why placing content about Syriac Orthodox and Armenian Apostolic topics and Oriental Orthodox cathedrals in a category that is parented to Eastern Orthodox categories is an issue. That's why I created instead Category:Oriental Orthodox church buildings in India to avoid the confusion and follow the naming pattern of sibling categories, but your subsequent edits [11] [12] [13] seem to indicate you do not agree with this.

Also note that there are virtually no Eastern Orthodox in India (there may be at least a church building without flock [14], but Wikipedia does not say anything about it). Also, despite the confusing names, there is no larger Orthodox group that would gather Eastern & Oriental Orthodoxies, the split between them having occurred in the 5th century, long before e.g. that between the Catholics and Orthodox (11th century) or the Protestants and Catholics (16th century).

I hope that this bit of context will make this clearer. I would therefore invite you not to recreate or repopulate a category (Category:Orthodox churches in India) which is ambiguously named and poorly parented. I would be happy to read any differing arguments though of course. Place Clichy (talk) 09:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Place Clichy,

Yes, another editor brought this to my attention (see message above). I appreciate the full explanation you have provided. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:59, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

No problem. I hadn't seen the message above. I see some users can say the same things with fewer words than me. Sorry for the unnecessary flooding. Place Clichy (talk) 21:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Khidr

Hi Liz, I see that you moved this page to a new title[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=El-Khader&diff=1023480541&oldid=1021711995} but Khidr is used over 130 times in the article, the new title, El-Khader, is used only once. Did you forget to clear this up or do you think it's unnecessary? Doug Weller talk 11:17, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Doug,

No, this error wasn't intentional, I just did a requested page move and I guess I screwed up. I remembered reviewing it and it seemed like a legitimate request. Do you think it should be moved back to Khidr or should I just make 130+ corrections in the article? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:57, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Check me, but if I searched Google Scholar right, Khidr is far more common. Doug Weller talk 18:45, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

May I ask a question of you off wiki?

To avoid any unintended ill feelings or ascribing intent, I'd like to send you an email about an admin action you took today. Would that be an imposition? BusterD (talk) 16:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BusterD,

I can't think of anything controversial that I did today but go ahead. I just have to remember to check my email which I don't do very regularly. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 16:50, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

It's nothing to concern you overmuch. More of a heads up. You should have gotten it by now. In any event, thanks for the mopping you do. BusterD (talk) 17:21, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind and well-considered reply. BusterD (talk) 01:58, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

User:Free wants to have a dog‎

Saw you deleted a page this user created. I thought that their first edit might interest you. When I couldn't find a clear sockmaster—User:Free got zapped in the SUL finalization, Free~enwiki had 0 edits, and there was nothing obvious in Special:ListUsers/Free—I figured I'd just keep an eye on the account and not waste any admins' time. But if they're wasting admins' time now, well, I leave this in your capable hands. -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 18:53, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Well shoot, I forgot to {{noping}} that, didn't I? -- Tamzin (she/they) | o toki tawa mi. 18:54, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article

I looked away for one week and found an article to which I'd contributed deleted. (Yes, one week. Speedy deletion proposed May 23rd, article discovered gone on June 1st.) Do you save copies anywhere? Is there any archive accessible for the deleted text? Wyvern (talk) 02:04, 2 June 2021 (UTC)