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Introduction

The purpose of this discussion page is to select 50,000 topics for which Wikipedia should have high-quality articles.

Any article currently on this list may be challenged. The discussion is open to the following rules:

  1. Any discussion must run at least two weeks before being closed
  2. Any discussion must have at least four total votes before being closed
  3. Any article with at least 55% support for inclusion will be retained
  4. Any article with at least 55% opposition for inclusion will be removed
  • 14 days ago: 09:23, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
Why are these rules different from Wikipedia_talk:Vital_articles#Introduction? Here 3:2, 4:3 or 5:4 votes cause change, whereas there 2/3rd votes are required.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:08, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Level 5 should be aligned with Level 3/4 (which seem the same). Many of these discussions are going on too long and the debate is too disjointed. The list is also incredibly long and the auto-archiving should be set at circa 90 days (max). Also, should an entry on this list not require a notice to be left on the talk page of the article in question? It might help participation. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 11:23, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Replace Prolog with Rust or Ruby

REMOVED
No activity in several months. Consensus to remove Prolog but not for swap. czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems like Prolog is just another one of those old, outdated, and obscure programming languages. I suggest we replace it with either with Rust or Ruby, which are much more popular. Mucube (talk) 04:39, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Prolog's very different to just about every other language (that it hasn't directly influenced). From a million-mile-high perspective, Python/Ruby/JS/Lua all share basically the same design and programming paradigm, but Prolog definitely doesn't. I think there's diversity value in keeping it on the list, but I appreciate that that argument also goes for a whole bunch of other languages that aren't currently included (e.g., there's no representative from the Forth/stack-based school). Polyphemus Goode (talk) 21:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove Prolog with no swap. Not "highest importance" in its field or essential to its category. No assertion of its enduring importance in its article. Not vital. czar 05:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Replace Hachiōji with Chiyoda, Tokyo

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Replaced, per 55% support czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hachiōji is not a particularly significant part of Tokyo. I suggest we replace it with Chiyoda, which is much more significant, being the location of the Imperial Palace, National Diet, Prime Minister's Official Residence, Supreme Court, and many other government ministries and agencies. Mucube (talk) 22:12, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Strong Support I've studied Tokyo's districts before and agree with your analysis. LightProof1995 (talk) 02:10, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Thi (talk) 11:13, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:44, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add WeChat Pay and Alipay

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Added Alipay, per 55% (incl. nom). No consensus for WeChat Pay. czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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WeChat Pay and Alipay are both extremely popular in China, as anyone who has spent at least an hour in China can attest. The number of people who use these services far outnumber PayPal, which is listed here. (In 2021, WeChat Pay had 900 million users. In June 2020, Alipay had over 1.3 billion users. In 2022, PayPal only had 432 million active accounts.) Mucube (talk) 21:27, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Add Alipay, not WeChat Pay. If truly the largest mobile payments platform, then vital to the field. Agreed that WeChat is sufficiently covered. czar 05:29, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Add Alipay, (WeChat is already Level 5); Alipay is world's largest platform (bigger than PayPal). 78.18.228.191 (talk) 11:32, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree. AliPay is bigger than PayPal. 31.187.2.237 (talk) 20:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
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Add Minato, Tokyo

NO CONSENSUS
No activity in several months. czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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We have many of Beijing's districts listed (Chaoyang District, Dongcheng District, Haidian District, etc.), so we should have some of Tokyo's special wards too. I think that we should add Minato, because many large companies have their headquarters in Minato (Honda, Mitsubishi Motors, NEC, Nikon, Sony, Fujitsu and the foreign headquarters of Apple and Goldman Sachs), and basically every country with an embassy in Japan has it in Minato (see Minato, Tokyo#Diplomatic missions. Also, Keio University is located in Minato. Mucube (talk) 04:29, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you if we keep Beijing's districts, we should have some of Tokyo's. I feel we could only have 2 or 3 for each city. Most or all of the sub-districts of Manila seem to be relevant enough to keep even if we take out a couple of Beijing's. LightProof1995 (talk) 00:15, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Pudong

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Added, per 55% (incl. nom) czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Since we have a lot of Beijing's districts listed, we should have some of Shanghai's districts too. We should add Pudong because it's home to the Lujiazui, which includes the Oriental Pearl Tower, Shanghai World Financial Center, and Shanghai Tower, all of which are one of Shanghai's iconic landmarks. Also in Pudong are The Bund, the Zhangjiang Hi-Tech Park (which has been called China's Silicon Valley), the Shanghai Pudong International Airport, and Disneyland. Mucube (talk) 05:36, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support --Thi (talk) 11:15, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --RekishiEJ (talk) 16:00, 26 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
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Remove bisexual pornography, add lesbian erotica

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Replaced, per 55% support Makkool (talk) 07:32, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Feel like one of these is self-evidently more important. LarstonMarston (talk) 04:49, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as nom LarstonMarston (talk) 04:58, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support as aficionado Kazamzam (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Ilya O. Sarvar (talk) 09:45, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Lesbian pornography is currently a redirect to Lesbian erotica. @LarstonMarston: would you change tthe nomination? Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:23, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

changed it. LarstonMarston (talk) 15:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Fedora Linux and Arch Linux

They are both rather popular Linux distributions. We have a lot of Windows versions listed, so we need some Linux distributions listed too. Mucube (talk) 05:05, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support. Arch, at least, is as significant as Debian. Makes no sense to include the latter without the former. 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Although yes, this is a niche area in the PC market. This is ONLY niche in the PC market. Ask any devloper that isn't working with PCs and they'll tell you that this is the oppsite of niche. Imo we should also add Gentoo Linux and GNU — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJFIN2 (talk • contribs) 13:59, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @LJFIN2: I'm not sure about Gentoo Linux, but I am nothing short of aghast that GNU isn't there. I'm opening a new proposal. 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:07, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. We're already adding Debian and Ubuntu, the two largest distros by market share, and top importance in their field. czar 03:22, 7 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. Already a niche area. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Sichuanese

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Added, per 55% (incl. nom) czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Surprised that it hasn't been added yet. According to the article, it is spoken by about 120 million people, ahead of languages like Vietnamese and Korean. Mucube (talk) 05:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  1. Support --Makkool (talk) 20:05, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Thi (talk) 14:20, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Mongolic languages

NO CONSENSUS
No activity in several months and not enough support to action. czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Support
  1. We have Tungusic, with about 75,000 native speakers, and even Altaic, which is only a proposed language family, listed, so we should have Mongolic, with more than 5.7 million speakers, listed. Mucube (talk) 02:28, 5 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support I'd say we should add this. --Makkool (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

The language section is over because a lot of the articles are double-listed from levels 2-4 and, I think, bloating the category. We should clear out some of these and then see what the numbers are. Kazamzam (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The articles from previous levels are supposed to be listed here as well. --Makkool (talk) 18:48, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm undecided, but the Mongolian language is already listed in specific languages. Would that be enough cover it? And so far no Tungusic languages are covered in specific languages though. It's a significant language family despite a smaller number of speakers. --Makkool (talk) 18:48, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove Bondage rigger, add Adolescent sexuality

Bondage rigger is just someone who applies bondage, while adolescent sexuality is a broad important topic.

Support
  1. Support as nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 12:31, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support makes sense. --Onwa (talk) 22:46, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 12:55, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add César Vallejo and Mario Benedetti

Two very important Latin American poets are missing.

As for César Vallejo, the article states «he is considered one of the great poetic innovators of the 20th century in any language», and he's been defined as «the greatest universal poet since Dante» and «the greatest twentieth-century poet in any language».

Mario Benedetti «is considered one of Latin America's most important writers of the latter half of the 20th century». 151.61.24.119 (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support --Thi (talk) 12:26, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Mucube (talk • contribs) 22:43, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support only if I can take out some of the poets with less than 100 views in the past 30 days since we are over quota -- there seem to be a superfluous amount of obscure Brazilian and Russian ones listed. LightProof1995 (talk) 01:46, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Strong Support 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:28, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Swap: Remove Japonic and Koreanic languages, add Na-Dene and Australian Aboriginal languages

NO CONSENSUS
No activity in several months and not enough support to action. czar 23:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I doesn't really make sense keeping Japonic and Koreanic languages in the language families sections, as we already list Japanese and Korean. Na-Dene and Pama-Nyungan would be good additions to increase North-American and Australian representation. --Makkool (talk) 11:12, 25 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove "Scarborough Fair (ballad)"

(discussion split from section above and below) I am only familiar with the Simon & Garfunkel version of "Scarborough Fair" and find it hard to believe that this song has greater cultural significance than either of these two. "Que Sera, Sera" is not the focal song of a culture like "Cielito Lindo" is for the Mexican Culture. There is no situation I would find myself in where it would be important to a culture to present Que Sera, Sera, whereas Cielito Lindo is actually a song that serves as an international representation of a nation. It is as if in order for Mariachi bands to serve as ambassadors of their culture it is imperative that they present this song to any audience. It is more like "Auld Lang Syne" or a national anthem, whereas its performance is an imperative national or international presentation.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:33, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support
  1. Support--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:18, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add "Don't Cry for Me Argentina"

Support
  1. Support--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 20:18, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Remove Pekalongan, Probolinggo, Cirebon, Cimahi, Kediri (city), Sukabumi, Tasikmalaya, Tegal AND Add Pangkal Pinang, Tanjung Pinang, Banjarbaru, Gorontalo (city), Sorong

Why? For one, the current list doesnt make any sense. All of the proposed removals are random Javanese cities that have little significant compared to its big industrial center/capital city. As my previous proposal was largely ignored, I will explain now my reasoning in details for each cities.

Removal

  • Pekalongan: Significantly smaller than Semarang which is the capital of the province and less significant politically. The reasoning that it is the most important port of the province is doubted as there are handful of bigger industrial ports within the province's coast such as Tanjung Emas in Semarang and Batang Port.
  • Probolinggo: Compared to capital of the province, Surabaya, the influence of the city both economically and politically for the province in general is far smaller. For one, it is not even the second largest city of the province (that goes to Malang). Compared to Surabaya which is the second largest city in the country and gateway to Madura and also Eastern Indonesia in general and Malang which is 12th largest city in the country and historically important, there's little reason to include Probolinggo in the list.
  • Cirebon: West Java has numbers of cities that are far more important such as Bandung which is the capital city, Bogor which is historically and culturally important and also part of Jakarta metropolitan area, and also Depok and Bekasi which are part of Jakarta metropolitan area and hosts significant industries. Similar reasoning with Probolinggo's removal.
  • Cimahi: Same reasoning with above, relatively small city within the province.
  • Kediri: While could be argued historically important, it has small population relative to other cities within the province (East Java) and compared to Surabaya, still far less important. Similar reasoning with Probolinggo.
  • Sukabumi: Same reasoning with Cimahi and Cirebon, relatively little importance compared to other cities in West Java
  • Tasikmalaya: Again, another one from West Java. Relatively little importance compared to likes of Bandung, Bogor, Bekasi, Depok. We have enough of important cities from West Java.
  • Tegal: Relatively less important city for East Java, similar reasoning as others. Relatively small economy by Javanese city standart.

Addition

  • Pangkal Pinang: Largest city of Bangka Belitung Province, most economically and politically important administrative division in the province.
  • Tanjung Pinang: Governance center and capital of Riau Islands hence politically important, historically important when it comes to Malay history.
  • Banjarbaru: Capital of the province hence politically important. Major government institutions of the province are located in the city.
  • Gorontalo: Largest city and capital of Gorontalo province, economic and education center of the province. Important port for northern part of Sulawesi and Minahasan peninsula.
  • Sorong: Economically important city for the Bird Head Peninsula region, major industrial center for West Papua in general. Third largest city in the island behind Jayapura and Port Moresby. Also now capital of newly-formed province of Southwest Papua.

That's all of my reasoning. Thank you Nyanardsan (talk) 08:50, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Reasonable points, I support this swap. --Makkool (talk) 10:07, 29 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 14:55, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:58, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Disagree, replace them with the more significant place you listed in the same province. I don’t know much about Indonesia though, so if you could contrast the difference between provinces, then maybe. Vital Articles Grammar (talk) 04:26, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Vital Articles Grammar
Most of those important places I listed in the same province are already in the list so there's pretty much nothing to argue there. There's underrepresentation of non-Javanese provinces here too and that should be tackled (Bangka Belitung, Gorontalo, and West Papua/Southwest Papua do not have any city listed in vital article as of now, there are other provinces too but they dont have city/having city status yet so its a misnomer to add them here). Since we are talking here city-wise, not province-wise, the importance of the provinces are not to be discussed here but the city instead. Nyanardsan (talk) 06:29, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In that case Support. Thanks for clarifying things. Vital Articles Grammar (talk) 06:31, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Oppose
Discuss

I've added 25 to the target counts of Southeast Asian cities, taken from the Western Asia cities section which was at 161/200 articles. Now it is at 161/175 articles while Southeast Asian cities are at 153/155 articles. While the entire section on Cities is 30 over, the sections that are over-quota are the Western and African sections, not Southeast Asia. Therefore, we no longer have to necessarily reduce the number of cities listed when making proposals in the Southeast Asian cities section. Therefore, currently I Oppose removing all the cities you propose removing except for Probolinggo and Tegal, which I Support removing. I also Support the additions of all cities you propose as adding although it should be noted Sorong is already listed. Tegal I am okay with removing only because it is redundant with Pekalongan -- both were Dutch ports known for sugar and are close to each other. LightProof1995 (talk) 02:39, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@LightProof1995: Can you please link to the discussion about changing the target counts? Thank you. Vital Articles Grammar (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Vital Articles Grammar, I'm not sure who set the original target counts for cities. Unlike adding or removing articles, setting target counts isn't nearly as regulated, so the discussion is here.
Since we are close to 50,000, we can assume for categories people are most passionate about, the number of articles in there quotas is somewhat close to what it will end up being. So that's why I went ahead and moved 25 from "Western Asia" to "Southeast Asia" when Western was at 161/200, while Southern was at 153/130.
However, we can go ahead and analyze all view counts with the Geography section for confirmation those are good targets. We can also compare the populations of each area to determine the targets.
For starters, Southeast Asia has close to double the population of Western Asia: 669 million people[1] compared to 363 million people[2]. So we can move more target counts from Western Asia to Southeast Asia, and they should at least be equal.
Africa's target of 200 I think covers the cities in it I'd consider vital.
I was going to say America's target of 360 may be over, but then I saw Europe's target of 435.
Asia's population is 57% of the world population[3], and currently has a target of 880, which is 45.8% of the 1920 total location-specific articles -- not a difference big enough I feel it needs to be changed.
So overall I think setting both Western Asia and Southeast Asia to 165 articles each is best for now. This also means I Oppose all proposed removals but Support all proposed additions. LightProof1995 (talk) 07:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC) LightProof1995 (talk) 07:21, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=southeast+asia+population
  2. ^ https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=western+asia+population, https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=western+asia+population+plus+iran+population
  3. ^ https://www.wolframalpha.com/input?i=asia+population

Remove Half-Life (series), add The Witcher (video game series)

We already have original Half-Life of 1998. The only other game in the series is Half-Life 2 of 2004, which has less views (27,252) in the past 30 days than both Half-Life I (38,520) and the series (29,982).

I've never heard nor played either game although I'm sure they are great, however Witcher 3 is one of my favorite games. It is considered among the best video games just like Half-Life 1 and Half-Life 2: "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_considered_the_best". I wasn't sure whether to propose adding Witcher 3 (93,192 views) or the series (43,728 views), but I decided on the series because The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt is already GA status, with 3 great paragraphs explaining gameplay, whilst the Witcher series article currently only says this under Gameplay: "In the series, the player controls Geralt of Rivia, one of the few remaining witchers on the Continent. He is a traveling monster slayer for hire, mutated and trained from an early age to slay deadly beasts." So maybe this is the article that needs work.

Also The Witcher video games were so successful they inspired Netflix to adapt the books into what I think is a great show so far.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 03:08, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree, but I would favor The Witcher 3 instead of the series. (I'm in the opinion that individual games or movies are almost always more vital than series articles.) --Makkool (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    What if we add The Witcher 3 on the condition we also write a great Gameplay synopsis of all Witcher games on the series' article? LightProof1995 (talk) 07:24, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Per nominator (the article which is not good is approciate choice) and per @Piotrus: comments in the archives. I was sceptical about recent video games games some.time ago but nowdays I definietly chsaged opinion about Witcher and my view on video game section when now list is bit more stable. Also, most games ehich we cover are from USA/Japan/United Kington. The Witcher is by far one of the most promient video games which are not from English-speaking world or Japan. Is ok. Perhaps creating sections by "country production" cluld be ok. Dawid2009 (talk) 20:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support removal, oppose add:

  1. pbp 16:07, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Single Half-Life is fine, but "Witcher 3 is one of my favorite games" is not how this works. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:00, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral on removal, support add:

  • I certainly support adding The Witcher, it is arguably one of the most important games (game series) of the last decade+. However, I am not convinced Half-Life is less important, it's older but it was an important series a while back. Is Witcher more important than Half-Life? Honestly, I am unsure. But I concur it is at least as important and more famous now, so switching this would I guess make our list more "up-to-date" if we cannot keep both. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:32, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, but I was under the impression that the question was for the removal of Half-life (series) article and not Half-Life 1998, which should definitely be kept. --Makkool (talk) 10:18, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MakkoolYes this is true, the proposal is to remove the Half-Life (series) article, but keep the first Half-Life game. LightProof1995 (talk) 05:16, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm putting myself here becuase I don't want to make more sections but I think both should be included. Both series are highly popular and influential to vide games as a whole. LJFIN2 (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add "All I Want for Christmas Is You"

Now that we are in the digital download and streaming subscription era of music, we have very hard data on what the most demanded songs of the Christmas season are. Each of the last 4 holiday seasons, "All I Want for Christmas Is You" been number 1 on the 2019, 2020, 2021, and List of Billboard Hot 100 number ones of 2022. Since there are 10 Xmas slots, I would think about removing either "Good King Wenceslas" or "Santa Lucia".--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. As nom. --TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:16, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Yes, surprised this wasn't already on the list. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 14:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Makes sense --LJFIN2 (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. We're oversubscribed in music and doesn't reach the level of others in the overrepresented subcategory. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose --Thi (talk) 12:02, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discuss

Add Synthetic media

AI field of growing importance. The article provides a wide overview from deepfakes to GANs to Stable Diffusion, the last of which has caused quite the stir in art communities.[1][2][3] I'd place it under "Artificial intelligence concepts" in Technology; even if not all synthetic media are necessarily by AI they overwhelmingly are so.

Support
  1. As nom.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 10:59, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Feels like an emerging, and notable, term to cover many emerging, and notable, sub-terms. Not sure that it has been around long enough to be a true Level 5 (i.e. an enduring concept for all time) yet. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 00:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per 78.18 czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
[4][5] No consensus (or any responses) yet, but I might try again later, or if the technology removals pass (making the section below quota) boldly add it myself.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 17:30, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.vice.com/en/article/5d37za/voice-actors-sign-away-rights-to-artificial-intelligence --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 14:10, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/03/05/ai-voice-scam/ --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 15:06, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"AI is already taking video game illustrators’ jobs in China" --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 07:34, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Sorani

Native language for 8 mln people. For this level it is enough. Dawid2009 (talk) 12:23, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I agree in principle with this. We already list Kurdish language though, and we are over the quota for specific languages. We would need to free a few slots first, as we would need to list Kurmanji along with Sorani under Kurdish. --Makkool (talk) 10:47, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Northern Sotho language

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Another quite popular language Dawid2009 (talk) 17:53, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Oppose - articles are not added based on "popularity" and 4 million speakers isn't terribly noteworthy on its own. Maybe it should be added but you need a much better argument than this. Kazamzam (talk) 17:56, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per above czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 12:57, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss
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Add Rwanda-Rundi

20 milion speakers. Dawid2009 (talk) 18:02, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support We have the space for it now, which was the reason I opposed before. We list other languages with multiple varieties like Hindustani and Ovambo, so Rwanda-Rundi fits as well. --Makkool (talk) 07:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose We already list both Rundi and Kinyarwanda, which are two standardized varieties of Rwanda-Rundi. --Makkool (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose per above czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion
  • There were some slots available in specific languages and I went ahead and added this to the list. We can always remove it, if we don't agree to keep it and need to free up space for some other more vital article. --Makkool (talk) 07:25, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Alemannic German

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Not sos ure about it but I do nomination. Dawid2009 (talk) 18:04, 7 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Oppose If we would include it, we would have to take in Bavarian German and possible other varieties too, and we wouldn't have the space. --Makkool (talk) 16:35, 8 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add hardware bug

Now that software bug is included its hardware counterpart should be added as well.

Support
  1. As nom.--RekishiEJ (talk) 08:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Not the same importance in field as software bug. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. per Czar 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Add Goalpost

The Sports equipment section is currently at 27/30 articles. I propose we add Goal (sports), aka Goalpost, as Vital-5. They are one of the most pieces of sports equipment across multiple sports such as football/soccer, basketball, hockey, and American football.

Support
  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 15:20, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 15:16, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree. 31.187.2.237 (talk) 20:50, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Too niche in my opinion. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Arts–Architecture–Specific Structures Proposals

We are over-quota on both the Arts section and the Specific Structures section under Architecture. There are a number of Structures here I don't think are vital compared to some that are not listed. I'm proposing removals and additions below—all proposals are independent of each other, although since I've wanted others to try to keep proposals to where they still match the target counts once they are all implemented, I'll do the same here (just know all proposals are still independent/we don't have to add/remove exactly what I suggest).

Remove TWA Flight Center

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We already have JFK Airport listed under technology along with a dozen other airports. This also reduces Western bias.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree --Makkool (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per nom, just not on the same level. 31.187.2.209 (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Is really part of JFK; excessive US-focus. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Not important. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Santiago de Compostela Cathedral

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We already have Camino de Santiago listed. To list them both is redundant, as the cathedral is a part of the pilgrimage routes. The Camino article also receives way more views than the cathedral article–59,079 views in the last 30 days compared to the cathedral's 7,471 views. This also reduces Western bias.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree --Makkool (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap Paris meridian for Greenwich Observatory

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Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:29, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think the Paris meridian should be listed over the Greenwich one when the International Reference Meridian is based on the Greenwich meridian.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 01:06, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree, head-to-head, Greenwich is a stronger candidate than Paris. 31.187.2.209 (talk) 19:46, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Greenwich is definitely more important than Paris. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support --Thi (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Definitely. Basically no one uses the Paris meridian today. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:27, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. Isn't Coordinated Universal Time the target this thread is actually discussing, not the observatory? UTC is the in-use successor to Greenwich Mean Time. I can support removing Paris but I'd add UTC before Greenwich Observatory. czar 15:09, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Swap out Mudéjar architecture of Aragon, Swap in Rock-cut architecture (under Styles)

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I was going to move the Mudéjar architecture article to under the Architecture/Styles section, but decided it would be better to remove it altogether and put Rock-cut architecture under styles instead. The Mudéjar architecture article only has 254 views in the past 30 days, and refers to architecture seen only in one city in Spain. Rock-cut architecture is much more broad and includes Indian rock-cut architecture such as stepwells, along with other locations around the world such as the Cliff Palace, the Mogao Caves, Petra, and the Lalibela churches.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 07:56, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree. On a head-to-head, makes sense. 31.187.2.209 (talk) 19:54, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Definitely. Broader is better. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion: Should Mudéjar architecture of Aragon be merged into Mudéjar architecture, and that be listed as vital somewhere? Note both Spanish Gothic architecture and Spanish Renaissance architecture are listed, and Mudéjar style spanned both Medieval and Renaissance eras. LightProof1995 (talk) 09:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Nazca Lines

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This will reduce the Western bias by adding a South America article (Of the 32 Americas specific structures listed, only 2 are in South America). The Nazca Lines are a very unique architectural work of Pre-Columbian art. They've inspired a lot of speculation on their construction, similar to The Pyramids. Views of Nazca Lines in the past 30 days: 57,463.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agreed, culturally significant, deserves to be in the list Lorax (talk) 00:24, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree --Makkool (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Agreed, highly significant. 31.187.2.209 (talk) 19:48, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support. Another UNESCO top site. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support --Thi (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Onwa (talk) 22:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Support--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:55, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Definitely vital. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Kensington Palace and Hampton Court Palace

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This will reduce the Western bias by removing some articles I'd consider superfluous English royal residences that don't particularly deserve to be listed here over other British royal residences such as Sandringham House, Clarence House, and Balmoral Castle.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 23:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree --Makkool (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 19:03, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Ishtar Gate

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The Ishtar Gate was one of the 8 main gates of Babylon, which was also known for wonders such as the Hanging Gardens and the Tower of Babel. Many replicas of it exist although the original was so massive there is no exact replica of the entire original structure, only facades or segments of the gate. Since Tower of Babel is already listed under Philosophy, so I think Ishtar Gate is the better choice if we are to add another Babylon structure instead of Etemenanki due to the redundancy of having both Etemenanki and Tower of Babel listed (Etemenanki is suspected to have inspired the Tower of Babel legend). Views of Ishtar Gate in the past 30 days: 18,923.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree --Makkool (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree. Per nom. 31.187.2.209 (talk) 19:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support --Thi (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support --LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 12:58, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

What wrong with adding Etemananki? Something inspiring something else isn't really redundant. Plus, the Tower of Babel was only a myth, not a real structure. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with adding Ishtar Gate, but I don't think that Etemenanki is redundant to the Tower of Babel. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Brihadisvara Temple

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We have zero examples of Dravidian architecture on the list. While there are several great options, I’m choosing this temple because it is famous for both its engineering along with its architecture. A symbol of Tamil Nadu, adding this temple will reduce the Western bias. Views of Brihadisvara Temple in the past 30 days: 68,569.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree --Makkool (talk) 21:59, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree Multifarious Ailurophile (talk) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Major UNESCO site. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

I think that adding Ranganathaswamy Temple, Srirangam might be better since it is more than three times larger in area and it is also in Tamil Nadu. It was also built by the Chola Empire, but hundreds of years earlier. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Newgrange

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I wanted to suggest we add an Irish structure since we have so many in the United Kingdom but zero in Ireland. The world’s largest passage tomb, Newgrange is older than both Stonehenge and The Pyramids. It’s one of Ireland's most famous archeological sites along with the Hill of Tara. Views of Newgrange in past 30 days: 25,829.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 09:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Per nom. Really surprised this was not Level 5, and is probably one of the most important structures in Europe from that era. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 17:12, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Agree Makkool (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Absolutely. Great spot by nom, highly significant site. 31.187.2.209 (talk) 19:51, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support --Thi (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support Looks like a very important archeological site. Mucube (talk • contribs) 22:43, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Newgrange is one of only three UNESCO sites on the whole Ireland island, the other two being: Giant's Causeway (a Level 5 for physical, and in Northern Ireland), and Skellig Michael, another Level 5 possibility? Is Wikipedia Level 5 reconciled with the UNESCO List? This might be an exercise worth doing? Certainly, sites that are not on the UNESCO list may indicate they are not really Level 5 (unless there is some controversy around their non-inclusion on UNESCO). 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:20, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove Cathedral of Christ the Saviour

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We already have the iconic cathedral of Moscow: St. Basil's Cathedral. The general consensus seems to be to list one cathedral per city (see proposal on removing St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York, above). The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour may be the largest in Moscow, but is is also very new, being built 1995-2000. (The original was demolished on purpose to be replaced by a Soviet palace, but that was never built and they rebuilt this church when the Soviet Union collapsed.) Removing this may also reduce Western bias (unless Newgrange replaces it, but a swap for Newgrange I feel is good since we have zero Irish structures and nine Russian ones.).

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 09:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Agree Makkool (talk) 18:41, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Not even UNESCO (and not the original). 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support --Thi (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Kazan Cathedral, St. Petersburg

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I'm not sure why this one is listed. It's not the largest cathedral in St. Petersburg, that is St. Isaac's Cathedral, which is not listed even though I'd also consider it to be St. Petersburg's most iconic cathedral. Compare their view counts: St. Isaac's has 4,590 in the past 30 days compared to this cathedral's at 1,895. We also already have three other structures in St. Petersburg listed.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 09:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per nom; although the Our Lady of Kazan could be a Level 5? 78.18.228.191 (talk) 12:56, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 19:04, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Tokyo Skytree

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It's now been the world's tallest observation tower for over ten years. Note CN Tower and Ostankino Tower are listed, which also have also held the record but are shorter (and in Ostankino Tower's case, held the record for less time) than Tokyo Skytree. Adding this will also reduce Western bias. Views of Tokyo Skytree in past 30 days: 47,496.

Support
  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 09:01, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per nom. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 09:05, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --RekishiEJ (talk) 15:21, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Being the world's tallest tower for ten years is certainly enough for vitality. Mucube (talk • contribs) 23:08, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Comment on this: The only reason I haven't added some of these articles as vital (Newgrange, Ishtar Gate, Nazca Lines, etc.) is because we are over quota and there haven't been enough votes to remove some of the other articles. Specifically, we need at least 4 votes to remove an article. I would go ahead and remove Cathedral of Christ the Savior and TWA Flight Center and add others in, but it didn't feel right to remove the Cathedral of Christ the Savior but not the Kazan Cathedral in St. Petersburg, which is obviously less vital. So I was waiting for that one, at least, to receive 4 votes for removal. LightProof1995 (talk) 05:47, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Move Lalibela to Geography/Cities section, add Rock-Hewn Churches, Lalibela here

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Comparing/reading through the two articles, I believe the Rock-Hewn Churches is one meant to be here. It needs work, and the article on Lalibela itself has to be too focused on the history/demographics of the city to sufficiently cover the religious/cultural/architectural significance of the churches. I'm proposing just moving Lalibela over to the Cities section instead of swapping it out -- I went through the target counts of the Cities section before and I feel Africa's target is under quota (See my analysis in the Indonesian cities proposals above -- I initially felt Africa's target counts were okay until I saw the target counts of the other continents.).

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 09:40, 19 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support add, Oppose move. To me, it doesn't seem to be a vital topic as a city on it's own. Besides, we are over-quota in East African cities. So I would just remove Lalibela. --Makkool (talk) 13:00, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support swap --Thi (talk) 12:03, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Add Rock-Hewn Churches, Lalibela, Remove Lalibela. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:17, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Jurists

In 2021, this edit moved jurists from the "People/Miscellaneous" to the "People/Philosophers, historians, political and social scientists" section. As far as I can tell this broke the link in the talk page infobox for every person in that category. Could someone please fix these, its been broken for 2 years.

Also, the Law enforcement section needs some work, its overwhelmingly american, and doesn't really fit into the Misc section since most are high level government officials or outright politicians (like Beria).

--jonas (talk) 11:54, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Carlo Ancelotti

I was amazed to see that he was not a Level 5; he is arguably a Level 4 (greatest-ever manager)? 78.18.228.191 (talk) 13:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom. 78.18.228.191 (talk) 13:47, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Per his blp, is regarded as the greatest football manager in history (should be a level 4 candidate). Aszx5000 (talk) 00:07, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Onwa (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC) subjective opinion and no actual reason given. --Onwa (talk) 22:50, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Felipe VI

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Not done, per 55% opposing votes (incl. proposer) 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:51, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Is the current king of Spain. 77.27.88.152 (talk) 11:52, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

support
oppose
  1. Oppose. Too soon (and nothing yet that would make him Level 5). Aszx5000 (talk) 19:51, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:55, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
discuss
  1. Coment For example, in Netherlands is the current king Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands and he has 1 year (of reign) more than Felipe VI, @User:Aszx5000 @User:Czar 77.27.89.221 (talk) 06:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd support removing that one as well czar 13:17, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    So would I. Aszx5000 (talk) 15:13, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Religious Figures to add

@RekishiEJ wanted me to propose some additions to the Religious figures section. They are as follows:

Alexandre de Rhodes

Drogön Chögyal Phagpa

Francisco de Pina

Machig Labdrön

Vajradhara

However, the Target count of Religious Figures currently is at 500/500. Should we increase the target count to 505 and add these articles as vital? (Or maybe a different target count, like 525?)

Support:

Oppose:

  1. Oppose They don't seem to be notable enough to be listed on this level. De Rhodes and de Pina seem to be more vital as linguists than religious figures, so should they be listed with social scientists rather? (along with Mesrop Mashtots, the creator of the Armenian alphabet for example). Also Vajradhara is a mythical/disputed figure, so he should be listed in the Religion section along with Moses and other Old Testament characters. --Makkool (talk) 13:15, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. No strong rationale given; moving stale nomination along. czar 13:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:21, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

  • I'm currently unsure of where we can get the target counts from, but as I go down the list and continue updating the counts, maybe something will make sense, and if so I'll support these additions at that point. I feel this vote should be focused more on whether the articles mentioned should be vital or not, and not whether they'll mess up the target counts. LightProof1995 (talk) 11:05, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looking at Drogön Chögyal Phagpa, he arguably has as much case in politics as he does in religion. pbp 03:01, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Swap Mount Asu and Mount Usu with Khangai Mountains and Yablonoi Mountains

Japan is already well-represented in Physical geography / Land relief. Khangai and Yablonoi are major mountain ranges in Mongolia and Siberia respectively (I have a wall world map where both are marked). I'm not an expert in geography, I just chose something to remove. I'm open for suggestions for some other articles to replace. --Makkool (talk) 13:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. --Makkool (talk) 13:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Makkool (talk) 13:07, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

January 6 attack formatted incorrectly

Under the United States section of the 21st century history section, it appears that the January 6 United States Capitol attack and Aftermath of the January 6 United States Capitol attack articles are listed as subsections to the 2017 Las Vegas shooting article. Could someone fix this? TheAmazingRaspberry (talk) 20:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like this was fixed czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cutting politicians and leaders down to quota

Politicians and leaders is at least 100 over quota. We need to figure out how to get it down to size. One exercise I think we need to do is look at which offices...

  1. ...get the full set
  2. ...get the full set except for people who fail the lettuce test
  3. ...get some but not all
  4. ...only get the most exceptional or transformational

pbp 16:41, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Swap: remove Abd al-Rahman ibn Abd Allah al-Ghafiqi, add Sayf al-Dawla

Al-Ghafiqi is notable only because the Battle of Tours is notable. Otherwise he is not an exceptional military figure, and was one of many Muslim commanders involved in the conquest of al-Andalus and the invasions into France. Sayf al-Dawla on the other hand is to this day one of the best known medieval Arab leaders, played an important role in several processes, from the collapse of the Abbasid empire to the Byzantine Reconquist and the rise of Bedouin and Shi'ism in Syria, was renowned for his military prowess, and assembled a brilliant court with such culturally significant figures as al-Mutanabbi. Constantine ✍ 15:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Hyaenodonta, Amphicyonidae, and Amphicyon

Hyaenodonta is a highly notable order of carnivorous mammals that were at their prime at the Eocene and Oligocene, establishing themselves as some of the top mammalian predators to have ever existed, most notably with Hyaenodon but also with Miocene genera such as Hyainailouros, Megistotherium, and the late surviving Dissopsalis. Although the order had seen an early extinction in the Oligocene along with Nimravidae in North America and were past their prime as a result of global cooling events, they still existed in Eurasia as evident by the middle and late Miocene hyainailourine Hyainailouros and Dissopsalis. They also continued to thrive in Africa as some of the sole apex predators of Africa that could grow to exceptional sizes as evident by the Miocene Megistotherium and Simbakubwa. While Hyaenodon is the "mascot" genus of Hyaenodonta due to its success from the Eocene up to the early Miocene, it alone does not completely represent all hyaenodonts, especially those that lived by the middle-late Miocene before all went extinct (it should not be removed as a vital article however). They are also relatively popular fossil taxons to research in recent decades.

Amphicyonidae is also a highly notable extinct carnivoran family because it represents the longest-spanning and most diverse extinct carnivoran family to have existed, ranging from early "New World" amphicyonids like Daphoenus and Gustafsonia plus the "Old World" Cynodictis of the Eocene when Hyaenodonta and Oxyaenodonta used to rule as the top apex predators of the Old World continents and North America to highly diverse "Old World" genera (Amphicyoninae and Thaumastocyoninae) of the Miocene that dominated top predatory niches along with hemicyonine ursids, barbourofeline nimravids, hyaenids, felids, and hyainailourines and spread from Eurasia to Africa and North America, filling predatory niches have today have no identical modern equivalents. The family for this reason also became highly popular for Eurasian paleontologists studying the Neogene, especially since the family collapsed largely as a result of events of or relating to the Vallesian Crisis of Europe, which drove many mammalian genera to extinction in Eurasia. By extension, Amphicyon, the type genus, should also be a vital article because not only is it the type genus of its own subfamily and family but it is one of the most successful amphicyonids in the already successful family in the early-middle Miocene, managing to survive up to the late Miocene as some of the last amphicyonids to exist.

If successful, I will likely suggest more notable mammalian paleontological genera/subfamilies/families/orders to vital article nominations. I know that the biology, animals category of level-5 articles is at its exact capacity, but fossil mammals are relatively underrepresented, especially ironically those of the Cenezoic era, so having these three pages I nominated as vital articles would be a good start. More to possibly come soon. PrimalMustelid (talk) 12:48, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom (I suppose I should've said this earlier). --PrimalMustelid 20:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Remove Philosopher

DONE
Procedural removal by Makkool. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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This has been redirected to a section of Philosophy. ForeverStamp (talk) 23:01, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Went ahead and removed it. If it's an article that was changed into a redirect, I think you can take it out without discussion. --Makkool (talk) 18:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I wasn't sure what the rules on that are. --ForeverStamp (talk) 01:05, 8 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Move Saint Marinus from Politicians to Religious figures

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:11, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The article doesn't really seem to be about holding any political title or office pbp 14:13, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 14:14, 7 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:49, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support --Thi (talk) 13:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:13, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
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Swap Egyptian mongoose for Indian grey mongoose

Mongoose is Vital-4. We currently list two types of mongooses at Vital-5: The Meerkat and the Egyptian mongoose. I only noticed this because I looked up meerkats; I didn't realize they were a type of mongoose. When I think of "mongoose", I think of the mongoose of Rikki-Tikki-Tavi, the cobra-fighting mongoose of Rudyard Kipling's short story. He is an Indian grey mongoose. So, to me that is the most well-known type of mongoose besides the meerkat, and deserves to be vital. This swap will be beneficial for several other reasons. For one, the Egyptian mongoose article is currently in better shape than the Indian grey mongoose article, so the Indian grey mongoose article needs work in comparison. Also, since meerkats and Egyptian mongooses are both from Africa, replacing one of them with an Asian mongoose will make our list broader (at least, mongoose-wise). Lastly, Indian grey mongoose receives around twice the views of Egyptian mongoose: 6,484 views of Indian grey mongoose compared to 3,221 views of Egyptian mongoose in the past 30 days.

Support:

  1. As nom LightProof1995 (talk) 05:43, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral:

  1. The Egyptian mongoose's range covers most of sub-Saharan Africa and also northeastern Africa and a little bit of Turkey and Spain, which is larger than the Indian grey mongoose's range, which is only the Indian subcontinent. Adding the Indian grey mongoose is better for geographical diversity, but either way, they are both pretty equal. And a single children's story, even if it's written by Rudyard Kipling, shouldn't be the deciding argument. Mucube (talk • contribs) 21:46, 17 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

American military removals

We have 71 American military figures, including Native Americans but excluding people like George Washington, Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower who are listed elsewhere. That's too many, especially since the section is over quota. pbp 02:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Patrick Cleburne

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:13, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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We have too many American Civil War figures, over a dozen, and he's not really that significant. I doubt he's in anybody's list of the 10 most significant Confederate generals. pbp 02:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 19:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Lorax (talk) 00:40, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support --Thi (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Robert A. McClure

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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We have too many American World War II figures, over a dozen, and he's not really that significant. pbp 02:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 19:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Frank Merrill

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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We have too many American World War II figures, over a dozen, and he's not really that significant. pbp 02:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 19:28, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:23, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Lorax (talk) 00:42, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Support --Thi (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:12, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Remove Jim Mattis, Pat Tillman, Janis Karpinski and Tommy Franks

How many figures from Afghanistan/Iraq/War on Terror do we need, exactly? David Petraeus is sufficient enough to represent the War on Terror. pbp 02:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 02:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 12:05, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. I'd support removing Janis Karpinski and Tommy Franks, but not Jim Mattis and Pat Tillman. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

High School Musical in level-5

Good morning! I have an important question - why is an article about High School Musical removed from the list of 50 thousand must-haves in all sections of Wikipedia? The film has a high profile among the Disney projects of the 2000s - for example, it was included in the Guinness Book of Records as the first television film, whose nine songs from the soundtrack hit the Billboard Hot 100 chart. In addition, this trilogy is unique in that the wild popularity of the first two parts led to the release of High School Musical 3: Senior Year in theaters. --MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:18, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Films are currently slightly overquota, and anti-recentism is also a factor to some extent. I undid its addition to re-add Steamboat Willie, which I consider more important for its copyright drama alone. But if you can identify less important films that it should replace, then, sure.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 08:39, 12 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@LaukkuTheGreit In your opinion, does the idea of introduction require careful discussion? Moreover, this project has grown into a large media franchise with foreign television adaptations, a concert tour, ice shows and school productions. MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 15:21, 16 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

About Sergei Makarov

Wikipedia:Vital_articles/Level/5/People/Sports_figures includes this internal link, however it is a now disambiguation page. I want to fix it but am unsure whether it refers to a right winger or a defenceman. I guess it refers to the former, but still want to hear what other editors think.--RekishiEJ (talk) 15:44, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is the right winger (the VA template was added to their TP in 2018). Aszx5000 (talk) 23:45, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add Basshunter

Basshunter is one of the greatest Swedish musicians. He was the first Swedish artist who achieved commercial success in the United Kingdom since ABBA (level-4 vital article) and his work influenced Avicii music (level-5 vital article). Eurohunter (talk) 12:37, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:42, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:54, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Add Tunguska event and maybe replace

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:50, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't know where to put this but it has high importance on WikiProject Russia and mid importance on most of the other WikiProjects listed. In 74 languages and currently rated B-Class. 115.188.131.12 (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As nom 115.188.131.12 (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Largest impact event in Earth's recorded history czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support Lorax (talk) 00:46, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. support LJFIN2 (talk) LJFIN2 (talk) 03:14, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Support --Thi (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  7. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
  1. In what category would this go, Czar? I wanted to close it, but couldn't figure it out. 〜 Festucalex • talk 05:53, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Somewhere in Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Physical sciences/Earth science, perhaps under Air? czar 13:01, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Czar: Just added it to 5/History/20th Century/Asia/Northern Asia. feel free to change that if inappropriate. 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:49, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Add Thanos (Marvel Cinematic Universe)

Thanos is part of the biggest movie franchise ever and has had extensive coverage over the last 5+ years with critical acclaim. I know there's a chance of recency bias, but things have been pretty consistently positive towards the character since 2018. The article has also recently become a GA. -- ZooBlazertalk 07:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
Oppose
  1. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:41, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:26, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Remove 8 of the sorting algorithms from the mathematics section

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Quicksort and bubble sort are the only sorting algorithms that are widely used. Bucket sort, Gnome sort, Heapsort, Insertion sort, Merge sort, Radix sort, Selection sort, and Shellsort don't belong here nor is there any need for this list to have ten sorting algorithms. I have some ideas of other algorithms that are more vital but that should be a separate thread LJFIN2 (talk) 08:33, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. Support as stated. If we want to get into bikeshedding, I'd actually drop bubble sort as well (it's primarily didactic and not actually seriously used except in specific situations where it's known that it won't hit its (very frequent) bad cases, much like insertion sort), and keep merge sort (I had the impression it was the go-to stable sorting algorithm and so was actually quite widely used) and maybe one of radix or bucket sort (because they're non-comparison sorts). But ten articles on specific algorithms, plus sorting algorithm to make eleven, is quite clearly excessive coverage for this topic and which could be better spent elsewhere. Polyphemus Goode (talk) 10:47, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    in my mind bubble was the go-to algroithum if people just needed to sort a small list that I said it should stay maybe I was wrong. ~~~ LJFIN2 (talk) 15:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support per above czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:40, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support --Thi (talk) 12:07, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

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Add Punctuated equilibrium

Punctuated equilibrium belongs under biology>basics because it's a very important theory in evolutionary biology. It provides a more fleshed-out explanation of evolution then other theories and it's taught in nearly every university level course on evolution. --LJFIN2 (talk) 03:49, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. Strong support, Surprised this isn't in here already. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. Oppose. Would want to see a swap, given the size of the evolutionary biology category. This topic, while important within its field, seems less vital than the topics already included. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose [6] --Thi (talk) 12:17, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Add Pomegranate juice

NOT DONE
Not done, per 55% opposing votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Pomegranate juice it has been viewed over 8,715 times in 60 days. Catfurball (talk) 19:11, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Oppose

  1. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose --Thi (talk) 13:11, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Cherry juice

NOT DONE
Not done, per 55% opposing votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:24, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Cherry juice it has been view over 6,168 times in 60 days. Catfurball (talk) 19:12, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

Oppose

  1. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:38, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose. Lorax (talk) 00:48, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Oppose --Thi (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  5. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:03, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Add Midlife crisis

NOT DONE
Not done, per 55% opposing votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:09, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Everyday Life/Stages of Life has 14 out of 15 alloted articles. I think Midlife crisis would be a good fit for the 15th article. According to it's topic page 23% of people self report having had one so that would make it a vital topic.LJFIN2 (talk) 02:48, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. Support per nom. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  1. Oppose. Not "highest importance" in its field. No assertion of its enduring importance or essentialness in its category. Not vital. czar 02:47, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Aszx5000 (talk) 23:39, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Oppose --Thi (talk) 13:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Remove OSI model

DONE
Done, per 55% supporting votes 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:10, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The OSI model has some historical relevance, but not significant enough to warrant being a vital article. Probably its widest application today is serving as a way to miseducate students about how to design good protocols. Protocol Wars § Legacy puts its relevance as being contested, and I think that is being kind to it. We could re-use the slot for something else - I would say not even a computing or networking article, looking at the section counts, since they're over-represented. Polyphemus Goode (talk) 15:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. As proposer Polyphemus Goode (talk) 15:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Only the TCP/IP model is used anymore LJFIN2 (talk)
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:13, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:09, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion
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Remove Konrad Kujau

I can't see why a guy who forged a bunch of Nazi memorabilia and documents is vital. If anything is to be marked vital about this guy, it's his "opus magnum", the Hitler Diaries. And for the record, I don't think it should be. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support Lorax (talk) 01:24, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Add Jijiga

This city of half a million is as significant as the others already on the list. It's the capital of the Somali region, and played an important part in the Ogaden War (see Battle of Jijiga). 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:23, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Bahir Dar feels like an equally-strong add, but we are over-quota in East African cities. I would Support only, if we could cut enough space for both. --Makkool (talk) 18:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Maybe we could swap Adama for Jijiga? 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Agree, it doesn't seem as notable as others. --Makkool (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion

Replace Avenue Q with Folia

It's one of the oldest musical themes in European music, used by over 150 composers. I'm not sure what to replace it with, but Avenue Q popped up as a rather recent topic.

Support
  1. as proposal --Makkool (talk) 17:56, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Thi (talk) 13:31, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. 〜 Festucalex • talk 10:17, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove some American TV shows

The category is 220/90 (244%) overbudget. Some slimming down is needed. Please add more proposals as you see necessary. 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps we could again try to use the system to drastically trim sections which I proposed when it was thought there were way too many video games? It saw some success, although limited due to very few voters.--LaukkuTheGreit (Talk•Contribs) 09:07, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@LaukkuTheGreit: Let's see what Czar thinks. 〜 Festucalex • talk 10:03, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For drastic slimming, I think a consensus slate of batch removals would be the best way to test whether there is interest in drastic slimming. Otherwise the approach below of one at a time is a fine place to start. czar 12:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Czar: I don't like batch removals because they easily become WP:TRAINWRECKs. We need to innovate a new smooth mechanism if we're ever going to rescue VIT5 from its current sorry state. 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:58, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Remove children's programs, mainly those from basic cable channels, that have little influence apart from those that are long-running and have a strong impact on society. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CrisBalboa1: Like what? Make specific proposals and we'll vote on them. 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:55, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to name another few but some are long-running, spawned spin-offs, or a supporting character appears in a another show. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 09:19, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@CrisBalboa1: Just added them downstairs. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:33, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The Next Generation

We already have Star Trek in VIT4, which is sufficient.

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:23, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Hell's Kitchen (American TV series)

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove The Fairly OddParents

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Lizzie McGuire

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Regular Show

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove The Hills (TV series)

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Six Feet Under (TV series)

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove NCIS (TV series)

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. oppose. I agree there should be less american tv shows but NCIS is one of the most popular things on Tv LJFIN2 (talk)
Discuss

Remove Survivor (American TV series)

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  1. Oppose, respectfully. One of the most notable entries in the genre of competition television series. Paintspot Infez (talk) 07:00, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Discuss

Remove La Reina del Sur (TV series)

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 16:43, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Thi (talk) 13:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Dexter's Laboratory

Support
  1. Support as proposer: CrisBalboa1 11:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Ed, Edd n Eddy

Support
  1. Support as proposer: CrisBalboa1 11:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Batman: The Animated Series

Support
  1. Support as proposer: CrisBalboa1 11:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Courage the Cowardly Dog

Support
  1. Support as proposer: CrisBalboa1 11:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:18, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Drake & Josh

Support
  1. Support as proposer: I originally wanted to add this before but I thought a minor supporting character appeared in a future Nickelodeon sitcom. Despite this, I changed my mind and I added it regardless of my initial thought. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 22:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 03:10, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Hannibal Hamlin and Alexander Stephens

They were Vice-Presidents, one of a country of dubious existence, at a time when the Vice-Presidency was a rather unimportant office. Figures like William Seward and Judah P. Benjamin are more influential from the Civil War era. Stephens gave the oft-read Cornerstone Speech but has little notability otherwise pbp 06:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. pbp 06:16, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 07:53, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Support both Lorax (talk) 01:27, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discussion

Remove Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands

As suggested above by Czar and Aszx5000.

Support
  1. Support as proposer. 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support. Aszx5000 (talk) 10:18, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. per Wikipedia talk:Vital articles/Level/5#Add Felipe VI czar 12:55, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Coment Maybe remove Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, Albert II, Prince of Monaco and Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg? And policians, remove Jean-Marie Le Pen and Marine Le Pen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.27.89.221 (talk) 09:47, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Girly girl and Tomboy

Those are marginal articles and definitely do not belong in the Stages of life category. the Sexuality and gender category already contains relevant articles such as gender identity, non-binary gender, and third gender. 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 13:30, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Sudanese transition to democracy

The Sudanese transition to democracy is a failed process that ended in 2019, shortly after it began, and shows absolutely no sign of resuming. There's no reason for it to be marked vital. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove Left-wing uprisings against the Bolsheviks

Per the AfD, this article is almost completely synthetic in scope. Even the most narrow of its possible scopes is an umbrella that encompasses the Kronstadt rebellion (another level-5 VA) and the Bolshevik–Makhnovist conflict. There are many aspects of the Russian Revolution and Civil War more deserving of being VA than this. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  1. Support as proposer. --Grnrchst (talk) 17:22, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:19, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

Discuss

Remove James Goldsmith

An average unremembered financier from the 70s with a few minor tabloid scandals—nowhere near vital in my opinion. 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 19:17, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove everyone in Body Modification category

Those are:

While it's expressive and fun (and sometimes horrifying), it's just too niche for VIT. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:49, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove World Ocean

DONE
Technical removal done by Makkool 〜 Festucalex • talk 18:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This article was merged into Ocean, and thus has no business being in Wikipedia:Vital articles/Level/5/Geography/Physical.

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:39, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Went ahead and removed it. If an article was changed into a redirect, I think you can take it out without discussion. --Makkool (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Remove Warbah Island

A small, uninhabited desert island of no particular importance.

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:45, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support --Makkool (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove unremarkable Caspian islands

12 uninhabited and unremarkable islands in the Caspian Sea. They are:

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:52, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Support LJFIN2 (talk)
  3. Support --Makkool (talk) 17:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add GNU Project

The GNU Project is one of the most significant projects in computing history, and the GNU coreutils are the backbone of modern computing. GNU practically defined an era and brought the concept of open-source software into its modern shape. It belongs in VIT5 (if not VIT4 with Linux itself). Hell, GNU even has an asteroid named after it. 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer 〜 Festucalex • talk 14:11, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. No doubt LJFIN2 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:14, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Support Lorax (talk) 01:30, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. I think you meant to link to GNU instead — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJFIN2 (talk • contribs) 06:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @LJFIN2: No, I indeed meant the GNU Project, not the software suite. That's why I said The GNU Project is one of the most significant projects in computing history. The GNU Project article is more encompassing of the topic. 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:36, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    oh, ok LJFIN2 (talk) 08:47, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @LJFIN2: By the way, please vote on the other proposals. This wikiproject needs more participation. 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I look at all the proposals but most of them are over things I don't have opinions on. I only feel confortable voting on things that I know enough about to judge LJFIN2 (talk) 03:13, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Barney and Betty Hill incident

The Barney and Betty Hill incident in the Pseudoscientists section of Miscellaneous people should not be in this list because the title implies it is about the event and not the couple. I suggest that you may move it to another non-People category or just remove it. Or change the title of the article by removing the 'incident' so that it could imply it is just the couple, though they are not notable because they are only known for one event. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 23:57, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer: CrisBalboa1 11:30, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. I'd support removing entirely. VIT5 needs serious slimming down, and a UFO hoax just doesn't fit the bill of vital articles, in my view. 〜 Festucalex • talk 06:39, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add The Bridge (2011 TV series)

It is an important Nordic drama and in the Nordic noir genre and is adapted in some countries. If The Bridge is not good enough, you can nominate a better program like The Killing. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer: CrisBalboa1 11:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
Oppose
  1. We are extremely overbudget when it comes to TV shows (450/260, which is almost 175%). I think we shouldn't add any more until we whittle down that category sufficiently. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:28, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I was going to add it later but I feel that this genre might need attention. We'll just wait and see when we cut down on the number of American shows or just ignore the discussion add suggest it again. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 13:13, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Oppose, The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo at the Literature section covers Nordic noir enough. --Makkool (talk) 18:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I understand and I did not know it is a Nordic noir, but thank you for your opposition I was attempting add it to represent the genre in a visual sense. If you all oppose my nomination, that is all fine, it is what it is. CrisBalboa1 (talk) 22:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Discuss

Move Psychosis, Delusion, and Hallucination from Mental Disorders to Symptoms and Signs

psychosis is better understood as a symptom rather then it's own condition seeing that it's not a stand alone diagnosis but instead part of an other dignosis.

Also it really doesn't belong under mental disorders considering that psychosis isn't always a symptom of a mental disorder it can also be caused by an injury of the brain, drug use, medication side effects, or a medical condition. It belongs much more in Symptoms and Signs LJFIN2 (talk)


Support
  1. Support as proposer: LJFIN2 11:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 11:21, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  3. This jives with my understanding. — HTGS (talk) 01:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add Indian castes

The society section has the Caste system in India and Dalit so it should also have the rest of the castes. Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya, and Shudra LJFIN2 (talk) 03:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support
  1. Support as proposer: LJFIN2 04:36, 13 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. Support—We have enough space in the "Society and social sciences" category to accommodate them all. Seems reasonable enough. 〜 Festucalex • talk 04:35, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Medicine and health changes

Add some psychiatric drugs

One in six Americans are on psychiatric drugs and there's similar numbers across the developed world so it should be more represented on this list.


Support
  1. Support as proposer: LJFIN2 09:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. Support only Antidepressant, Anxiolytic, Antipsychotic, and Mood stabilizer. We're overbudget already on the drugs and medication category. 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:50, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I think all of them belong when you consider that they are some of the most widely used medications in the world LJFIN2 (talk) 09:18, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Discuss

Add some chronic illnesses

There are many diseases that do not cause death but result in disability or low quality of life. These diseases are often overlooked especially when they don't cause symptoms visible to the outside. For the sake of neutrality more chronic illnesses should be included


Support
  1. Support as proposer: LJFIN2 09:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. Strong Support 〜 Festucalex • talk 08:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Remove some personality disorders

It seems like someone went and added every personality disorder from the info box on the Personality disorder page. I think all of them that aren't listed in the DSM-5 or the ICD-11 should be removed. Psychopathy can stay because of its cultural significance and because it’s still used in legal settings.


Support
  1. Support as proposer: LJFIN2 09:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:00, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss

Add some mental disorders

Seeing that the section is incomplete, here are some more diagnoses that I think are notable enough. I've decided to include hysteria even though it an outdated term because of its historical significance.


Support
  1. Support as proposer: LJFIN2 09:01, 13 May 2023 (UTC) (vote added here by Festucalex)[reply]
  2. 〜 Festucalex • talk 09:03, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
Discuss
  1. Since the health section is over 300 articles off its target, these can be BOLDly added without discussion.
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