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Resident Identity Card#Identity cards in ethnic minority areas

Hello Rjanag. I was wondering: are you still in Xinjiang? If you still are, are you able to (if and when possible) have a look at a PRC ID Card for a local Xinjiang resident, and be able to note the Uyghur text that appears on it for entries like name, gender, etc? (it can be anyone, so it's best to find a Han or someone you know well, as Uyghurs might become a little weary if foreign tourists ask to look at your ID). I was after official Uyghur translations of each of the headings on the ID card, so that I could include it within my table in the JMSFZ article. I suppose you could use a photograph or a text note if you are familiar with the language. Cheers, -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 06:50, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm back in BJ now, but my friend I was visiting is still in Xinjiang, so I could probably get him to take a photo of someone's ID and then add the translations to the article. He has a lot of Uyghur friends there, so I don't t hink it'll be a problem. rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(OT:) by the way, if you're at an internet cafe in China, be careful as some of them might have keyloggers, as I have heard from a few university IT students. Check Windows Task Manager if you can for unexplained programs running. (relevant to WP:SECURITY, but also applies to anything else you may use as well, such as email and banking) Using https://secure.wikimedia.org/ (in case there are listeners) and changing your passwords when you get back might also be important. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 09:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Three(?) major subdivisions of linguistics

Hey Rjanag,

You noted in your edit to the Linguistics article "if you're gonna create this arrangement, don't call it 'grammar', which neglects structure/form-related fields like phonetics and phonology)". I agree 100% with the main content of your edit description, but I have to ask -- "create this arrangement"? What do you mean -- the division of the field into 3 parts (structure/grammar/other)? I have to say I'm the slightest bit uncomfortable with that division myself (from my perspective, it gives "the study of meaning" too much weight), but I was just trying to copy from what was already in the article lede. If you are uncomfortable too, is this something we should bring up on the talk page? Some sort of nice overview of the field is needed nevertheless, but there may be a better way to contextualize content that is still easily readable.

Harvard Girl

Hey Rjanag. I see that you are a frequent editor of the Harvard Girl article and you've reverted any attempts to add clarification to the scholarships awarded being need-based as opposed to merit-based. I personally don't care that much about it, and was just trying to provide readers with a clearer understanding of the situation while adding very little text. In fact, only two additional words are required to make this fact clear so there would be no misunderstanding from the reader's viewpoint. Since it's clear another user agrees with this clarification being a helpful addition to the article, I was just wondering what your reasoning was behind removing it. Do you think it's superfluous? Or is there another reason?

In my mind, it probably shouldn't be mentioned at all that she received a scholarship - that is essentially just revealing that her family falls under a certain income level. But if it must be mentioned, as it's currently written, it's very ambiguous to the reader as to why the scholarship was awarded. To a typical reader, it definitely sounds like it's merit-based due to the current wording. So, I thought simply adding the word "need-based" to an article that is over 1,000 words if it provides the reader with a truer picture of the facts would make sense. Or simply eliminating those two phrases from the article would also be a suitable alternative in my mind. Getting into Harvard is certainly a great accomplishment and extremely difficult. Adding ambiguous text/accomplishments to make it sound even more impressive seems unnecessary. Providing wikipedia readers with a clearer picture of the situation by adding two words seems like a good idea in my mind, but you must feel differently. You said to check out Be namo's talk page, but all I saw was that the two of you were in a revert war. I didn't see an actual discussion of the edit. I was just wondering your rationale as to why it would make the article worse based on wikipedia guidelines to include that clarification (or get rid of the mention of scholarship all together). Take it easy. Cheers! -Bluedog423^Talk 06:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The last editor was changing the text for a different reason than you were, so it's not clear that he "agrees"; that editor was trying to argue that the text was inaccurate because Harvard doesn't offer scholarships (see the edit summaries on the first page of the edit history), which is false, and which is why I reverted him. I now see that your edit was about clarity rather than accuracy, so I may have been a little quick on the trigger. As for whether the information is useful in the article, I tend to agree with you that it's not super-helpful to the reader and can be removed from the article without any real harm done, so feel free to go ahead and remove it. rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:18, 28 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Current Wikipedia birthdays

Category:Current Wikipedia birthdays, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 20:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ranking

A reliable ranking is the priority info to indroduce a college's reputation instead telling people bunch of awards issued by numerous differnt parties. I think most American students need this info before they make their decision. This article seems focus on advertising by mostly showing positive things and avaoiding negative things. According to Wikipedia's rule, doesnt matter if it's positve/negative, all facts about Kenyon College should be mentioned. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Texaspublic (talk • contribs) 01:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

you guys are patient as hell...

... he just doesn't get it. Maybe his username shoulda been some kind of Omen. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 14:52, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Image file format

Hi, I saw your message to APL and I am curious. What is the format of the files you want to convert to grey scale? Cuddlyable3 (talk) 08:52, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Almost all .jpg, a few .png. I have since done them all by hand (although it would still be nice to know how to do this, for future reference!). rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:24, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Coincidentally I am doing the same thing with .jpg files, I convert them to .bmp and work at byte level. From 54: (36H:) the pixel colours are represented as triplets B, G, R. I read the triplets and convert them to Y, Cb, Cr using these coefficients. Then replace B, R, G with Y, Y, Y to get the grey scale picture. I did this as part of an effort to extract new detail from the Zapruder film. My first attempt to invert the 2-D point spreading gave an encouraging result but shows coloured grain when I sharpen B, R, G equally. I anticipate that sharpening Y alone will do better. The available scan of the film has 486 jpg images.. I have no experience with png's. (GIF's's are easy to change to grey scale at the palette). Cuddlyable3 (talk) 17:11, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. I don't know much about that. In the past I have been able to convert large numbers of images using the Easy Image Converter, which has a simple command line interface (but unfortunately, the one thing it doesn't so is PNG to other formats, although it can convert other formats to PNG...which is why I still have a few PNGs here). I noticed that GIMP has a command line interface as well so I assumed there should be something simple, like a desaturate() function, that I could just paste into a batch file a lot of times and run the batch file on the folder...unfortunately, I never even managed to figured out how to run GIMP from the command line, and the documentation available doesn't seem very helpful. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:57, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In GIMP I manage to load a directory full of image files to be layers in a .gif animation, but I don't know the command language. If you have $30 this program does what you want. If you prefer to keep your $30 then look into the free ImageMagick. The free Easy Image Converter web page has an e-mail address so you could ask whether they have a .png possibility. Disclaimer: I haven't tried these programs! Cuddlyable3 (talk) 21:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just found EXACTLY what will do your conversions. Download www.irfanview.com. It's a free image program that I use. Under File - Batch conversion is a dialog that is easy to set up. (Irfan also has a command language which is well documented but you won't need that.) Cuddlyable3 (talk) 17:04, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome! Thanks, rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:38, 11 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Apostrophe template

I believe Template:`s/doc is backwards. The first sentence, "This template allows quick entry of an apostrophe and "s" after italicized titles", should be "unitalicized" instead of "italicized". The rest of the paragraph, which matches the first paragraph of Template:'s/doc instead of contrasting with it, should be similarly reversed. This would make it consistent with Template:'/doc, Template:`/doc, and H13. I almost fixed it myself but your name is on it. Art LaPella (talk) 06:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you're right; I've fixed it. I think whenever I made that template I probably just pasted over the documentation from {{'s}} without looking at it. I'm not sure why I put my signature on it...oops! (so ashamed of my younger Wikipedia self...) rʨanaɢ (talk) 10:25, 7 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Leehom edit war

My intention is in no way nationalistic. What I want is to keep the facts neutral that's why I do think it's the best way to write down Asian American (because that's a widely known fact). About the ancestry part, I do not think that the source (a yahoo site of China which I assume is biased) can proof that Leehom is really from China. News can be manipulated all the time and just because a journalist claims certain things, it still could be wrong. In addition, I know Leehom's ancestry, passport etc. has been discussed since a long time, but I do find it totally silly to put ancestry in his biography because for all other major singers, it was never put on. That's why I would stick with Asian American (Sorry bout the edit war, I didn't know how to leave messages, but I do hope you consider the neutrality of the Chinese Yahoo news as a source.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.26.22.188 (talk) 16:05, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus for the current version was reached through extended discussions with multiple users; in particular see User talk:Rjanag/Archive7#Leehom Wang's Nationality and Talk:Leehom Wang#Nationality and Taiwanese/Chinese politics. Wikipedia operates on consensus, so if you disagree with this wording you should start a new discussion at the article's talk page. The reason we settled on the current wording is because it is factual (no one disputes that he's of Chinese descent or working in Taiwan) and doesn't make strong claims about his national identity like "Chinese American" and "Taiwanese American" do. As for ancestry and origin in the infobox, this is a standardized format that's used on over 500 articles. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:11, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

people using the wrong script

i believe arabic is the official script for the kazakh language in China, yet people use cyrillic in articles relating to kazakhs in China, cyrillic is only official in kazakhstan. Same problem on some mongols in china related articles where people are using cyrillic whereas mongolian script is the official script of that language in China, and probably used in writing official documents in the autonomous regions. And although salar does not have an official script, i believe more of it is written in arabic than in latin, and the latin script in some wikipedia articles was made up by some unknown guy, some sources i have say that the actual latin script in use in China is based off pinyin and not the one that is currently seen on the aritcles. Do you know kazakh or salar or have any way of knowing how to write them in arabic script?Дунгане (talk) 04:39, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

specific articles i am concerned about- Kazakh was written in cyrillic here yet arabic script is official for kazakh in china

i deleted latin alphabet on xunhua salar county article

on Qinghai, oirat mongolian is written in cyrillic and khalka mongol in latin alphabet. Salar is written in alphabet. Oirat and khalka in China use traditional mongol script as official, not latin or cyrillic and i doubt any mongols in qinghai know cyrillic for their language.

If you feel i was wrong in the removal i will not object but i feel they should be replaced with arabic and mongolian writing since they are the official ones in those regions.Дунгане (talk) 04:54, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

i have three sources which all say salar have used arabic script in the past for hundreds of years and in the present now, though its not official- [1] Two sources say they have arabic script, and that a pinyin based latin script was developed for them, but latin is barely used. Neither arabic nor latin is official, but judging from sources arabic is more common and has historical precedent. [2] [3] the latin script used in the articles was most certainly not the one created in china based on pinyin, it looked like someone copied and pasted the Turkish alphabet or Azerbaijani alphabet and applied it to salar- [4] [5]. Therefore it is really unsourced.Дунгане (talk) 05:04, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately I do not know any Salar or Kazakh; if you're looking for sources, though, I imagine you can find some if you look for stuff by Arienne Dwyer, who does a lot of research on Salar and may have written about Kazakh in China as well. As far as I know, Kazakh in China, when written, still uses Cyrillic script, although I don't have a source for you. rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't it make more sense...

...to redirect the "eventual archive" to your talk page and then link to the "eventual archive" whenever you are linking something. This way you can still enjoy the benefits of the orange bar? –xeno^talk 18:32, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, that is a good idea! And it might help avoid misunderstandings like this. When I have a free moment I'll take your advice and shuffle things around a bit. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:28, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Currency detector

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New incident at Xinjiang

Take a look at the page and add your input on the talk page, please. Looks like we have someone who has been recently involved in tendentious editing. Thanks --HXL 's Roundtable, and Record 23:22, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

YeaH, Rjanag, you know more about this topic. There's some edit war going on. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 23:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK templates TfD

FYI: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion#Template:Did you know.2FQueue.2Fdoingcredits

I don't know if these are used for anything, but I noticed the nominator had not notified you. 28bytes (talk) 07:55, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Objection to deleting English Phonetic Alphabet:

Hey Rjanag. This message is to object your poposal on deleting the article about English Phonetic Alphabet. I do apologize for not making it clear that English Phonetic Alphabet is applied and taught in worldwide. It was fielded in private school in South Korea during 2010 and is currently used to teach children at aboriginal reservation area in Northern Ontario. In addition, EPA is acknowledged by TESL (teachers of English as a second language) Ontario, the most creditable and recognized non-profitable teaching professional association in Ontario that providing support for teachers, students, and government bodies. Workshops were held in TESL Ontario 2010 fall conference to help the industry and the public learn about EPA. The lesson was webcasted and is available in the TESL Ontario Conference Webcast Archives. Usually TESL will publish lesson in conferences onto their website 4 months later. I expect it will come out in early February and it can greatly improve the notability of this wiki article. While waiting for this big reference, what I will do is to find other creditable citations from schools and institutions that are implimenting EPA. If you have any further comments please discuss with me. Thanks a lot! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamchacha (talk • contribs) 19:01, 21 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Tourette syndrome comment

I wonder if you might consider refactoring your comment, as I'd already responded to the new editor, and your response is a bit bighty. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 01:17, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I stand by my comment that an editor who wants to edit articles but can't write is not a particularly valuable contributor. But, given that this editor has apparently made other contributions that are more or less ok (see, for example, this), I don't quite know what is up here (maybe there are multiple people using this account, maybe he's editing drunk right now, who knows). rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:30, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 01:33, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tourette’s Syndrome “Biological” Jackass.

Sir/Maám,
I am handing this to you because the Talk page for Tourette’s Syndrome been locked. (Gee, I can’t imagine how that happened.) Ironically enough I was only looking for more info ont eh “social stigma” section of the article. I chose you at random from contributors I could identify.
Tourettes IS a physiological state; The exact location of the part of DNA where it ‘lives’ (for lack of a better word) is in fact known. That this whole ridiculousness began well after the Human Genome was mapped suggests (in fact insists) that this is someone with an axe to grind.
I have NEVER agreed with Wikipedia’s “consensus” policy (there was a time when “consensus” stated, quite definitively, that the world was flat). That said, every single expert in the field agrees it IS biological, including experts in related fields that do NOT specialize in TS, and do not care about it in any way shape or form.
That it is listed in DSRM is not relevant to what it is and where it comes from. Homosexuality used to be listed; Lycanthropy was not. Now it is inverse. This is because the DSRM, for all its importance, is not omnsciens and was never intended to be; It was intended to be used only as another tool (just like a stethoscope and that hammer thing they hit your knees with).97.120.235.182 (talk) 18:38, 11 May 2011 (UTC)A REDDSON[reply]

Talk:Tourette syndrome is not locked.
I don't know what you're talking about unless you specifically point to what part of the article (that is to say, a specific sentence or paragraph) that you think needs to be changed.
I don't know what the "DSRM" is, are you trying to refer to the DSM? In any case, lycanthropy is certainly not listed in the DSM. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:27, 12 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it can't be edited. (shrug)
I'm responding to the overall theme; Mr 198.184.150.254 (the guy who first commented) is an idiot, and his axe-grinding is malisious dis-information.
Oops, I did mean DSM; Lycanthorpy was at one point... I guess it's out again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.120.235.182 (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, the discussion I assume you're referring to took place two years ago, so I'm not sure why you feel it's necessary to bring up now. Secondly, it is a discussion on the talk page and not part of the article itself; if you are not here to suggest a concrete change to the article then there is nothing for me to discuss. rʨanaɢ (talk) 03:17, 13 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Online Ambassadors

I saw your recent contributions at DYK and I clicked on over to your user page and was pretty impressed. Would you be interested in helping with the WP:Online_Ambassadors program? It's really a great opportunity to help university students become Wikipedia contributers. I hope you apply to become an ambassador, Sadads (talk) 02:57, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting coincidence, I was just looking at that page several hours before your message and thinking about applying. I think I will probably do it; still need to think it over a bit more. Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 06:51, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you do! If you have any questions, just ask.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 01:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The deed is done! rʨanaɢ (talk) 02:24, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! This should be an easy one to evaluate; I expect we'll get back to you quickly.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 02:29, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

About English Phonetic Alphabet

Hi my name is Judy Thompson and I am an ESL teacher in Canada. I really appreciate the effort you put into your response and I would like to reply to your comments.

First of all you are good. You are absolutely right about some things - the Wikipedia entry was created by a Chinese co-op student and there are some basic errors Asia /Ay Zhu/for starters and pure was transcribed /pyUwr/ - sorry about that and thank you.

While the Chinese student is unfamiliar with IPA and phonetics I taught IPA for many years and am very familiar with phonetics. You and I are coming from completely different places. I taught IPA to advanced English students who had been practicing their mistakes for many, many years before their overall English competency was at a level (Canadian Bench Mark 6) where they were eligible to enrol in pronunciation classes. By then there was a tremendous amount of fossilization that had to be unlearned and unlearning requires far more effort than learning properly in the first place. The English Phonetic Alphabet was developed in response to the needs of immigrants to learn to speak English quickly and effectively and is in many respects the antithesis of IPA.

There are 1.5 billion people using English as a learned language in the world today and an estimated less than 1% of them can use the IPA efficiently. EPA is for the rest of these learners and they love it.

They love it for two reasons. It makes sense and they don’t have to be a linguist to use it. We really are coming from completely different places, IPA is high technical and EPA is purely practical.

The pitfalls with IPA are irreconcilable. It isn’t logical for example /i:/ or /iy/ doesn’t logically represent an ‘e’ sound to anyone but the French. /j/ logically is the first sound of jump and jam not yellow. Many of the IPA symbols just don’t make sense and the myriad of Greek characters are alienating. IPA is not a viable tool for the vast majority of English language learners.

Let’s address the rest of your comments in this light and examine the English Phonetic Alphabet on its own merit.

Schwa is a very important part of spoken English. After a functional phonetic alphabet and stressed syllables it is the third most important thing students have to learn. As a tiny version of /u/ as in mustard, that symbol suffices to start. Avoiding two syllable words for rank beginners might be an easy solution.

EPA teachers avoid all linguistic jargon. Phonemic alphabet, glottal stop, voiced dental fricative etc are wonderful clarifying tools for linguists but they are the mortal enemies of the EPA target users

Bold is not the way stressed syllables are distinguished in handwriting – just making them bigger is simple and effective with an ordinary pen. You make a good point about the capitals and if we change the consonants that will also eliminate the need for underlining anything! SH as in /wiSh/, CH as in /wiCh/, keeping TH for θ and using Th for ð, Ng and Zh completes the set - an definite improvement As provincial as it sounds, air in and air out explain the phenomenon so simply for learners they can immediately create both those sounds and the purpose is served.

Changing the font size for capitals is a nuisance especially writing a text book, but it is worth the effort and you get really fast at it. In a word document written in font size 12, reducing the caps to a 10 still leaves them larger than their lowercase counterparts and easily recognizable as caps. I could be wrong but I don’t think there is that flexibility in Wikipedia. Caps and font functions are part of all computers and not a big deal to incorporate in Word for classroom use.

Conversely IPA uses many symbols that are difficult to find and use. And ʃ is constantly mistaken for s in handwriting. I seriously doubt anyone looks at /eI ʒә/ and thinks Asia.

With some clarification perhaps now you can see why this alphabet has been so warmly embraced by the ESL community. It is catching on like wildfire. EPA is currently being used in hundreds of schools in 16 countries around the world. There are new editions and new textbook being printed this spring and the changes you initiated will be part of the product. Again, thank you very much for your educated attention to this vital language tool.

As for the dictionary – dictionaries reflect language they don’t create it. With a viable replacement for the archaic IPA all current dictionaries are obsolete and we can look for them to be replaced in the next decade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Williamchacha (talk • contribs) 20:43, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. Thompson,

Thank you for your reply. I was looking forward to having a frank discussion about the issues I raised, but unfortunately I feel that your message above is more focused on supplying talking points to promote the EPA—understandable, since you're posting in a public forum. If you would like to continue the discussion privately you may e-mail me by enabling e-mail in your Preferences page and then returning to my page and clicking the "e-mail this user" link in the toolbox on the left-hand side of the page. rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Linking icons

Thanks for catching that. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:40, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GOW

Thanks for being the voice of reason. I may need help on another article as well List of God of War characters. Regards Thebladesofchaos (talk) 21:54, 1 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Looks to be all OK, and things have settled down. Thanks again. Thebladesofchaos (talk) 06:50, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Or not. There may be a blind reversion coming by another user, but have placed reasons on Talk Page for changes - [6]. Regards. Thebladesofchaos (talk) 02:17, 9 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

sorta-kinda mentoring for Public Policy Project

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Ambassador

Hi Rjanag, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind being a Wikipedia mentor for me. I saw you on the Online Ambassadors list for the Public Policy Initiative but interestingly enough I had just seen your name under the edits history for my alma mater, Kenyon College. It looks like you have a lot of Wikipedia wisdom to share as well! Thanks! Lmissik (talk) 01:48, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I would be happy to help. Just drop me a message to let me know what your assignment is and what sort of editing you plan on doing, and then I will see what I can do! Judging by your edits so far, it looks like you're already quite familiar with the editing basics, so we won't need to spend a lot of time on the less exciting things like learning formatting. rʨanaɢ (talk) 13:30, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I just wanted to let you know that I am about to start listing possible sources and a basic outline for my group's wikipedia article on my sandbox. If you look at it and have any suggestions, let us know! I think the title of the article with be along the lines of "United States solid waste policy." The professor clarified some aspects of the project to us in class just yesterday, so we had to revise a few of our ideas. Thanks for your help! Lmissik (talk) 02:26, 4 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again! Thanks for your suggestions - my group is incorporating them into our article. Right now we are working on the 3-4 paragraph article summary in my sandbox, so if you want to check on it as we are working and give us suggestions that would be great. We also had a question about citing sources in the article. If we have several sentences with information from one particular source, how do we deal with that? Do we have the same citation link at the end of each sentence, or just one at the end of the relevant sentences? We just aren't sure what the Wikipedia standard is. Thank you! Lmissik (talk) 20:19, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the citing advice! I wanted to let you know that we started more neatly editing our work here, and then moved it to the actual page - Solid waste policy in the United States. I suppose that's the best place to look now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmissik (talk • contribs) 04:14, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Please have a look:User talk:Midnightblueowl#Chinese New Left POV pushing , and this kind of WP:Disruptive editing has to be stopped before more damage is caused by him. Arilang ^talk 22:16, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not taking any action on anyone unless someone first supplies clear evidence of POV-pushing. The only place I have encountered this user before is on Mao: The Unknown Story, where some of his edits were reverted but other editors considered them good faith. You yourself have been disruptive at that article and its talk page.

So if you want something done, explain what makes this user's edits POV, and provide diffs.

Also, do not canvass. rʨanaɢ (talk) 22:34, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have begun to collect "evidence" of Midnightblueowl's POV pushing:User:Arilang1234/Draft/POV pushing by Midnightblueowl, please have a look and point out any error if there is one. And his response:Talk:Cultural Revolution#Chinese New Left is just not convincing enough.

Arilang ^talk 23:37, 6 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Need your help

Please have a look:Talk:Barbarians in East Asian cultures#Requested move and help move the page back to it's original name? Arilang ^talk 02:39, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

links

Well, I figured since the RPG Classics site was linked ont he page, it would be of no problem to have my website linked to it. Although, not yet, My site will contain all the information to the game I can possibly do. RPG Classics is just another fan site created by one person, and actually has somewhat less information than my site does (excluding the health based information of the bosses and such). If I have to have my fan-site removed from the links, then I do not see it fair as the RPG Classics fan-site isn't being removed. In what way would I have to change my site to "follow" the guidelines? I am not using it strictly as advertising for money purposes or any of that, but a way for the Legaia (Page for the game I editteD) community to get together considering it's really small these days. If a person can use the site to view any kind of information that can be of help to them in the game, along with going to the forums to communicate with other people about the game, I think it would bring a community back to the game if you see what I am saying. 75.97.14.223 (talk) 01:54, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The guidelines on external linking have more information about what types of likes are and are not considered appropriate for Wikipedia articles. As for the RPG Classics link, for what it's worth, we have some essays (not official policies) called "other stuff exists" and "don't add sewage to the already polluted pond", which basically say that just because there is something wrong elsewhere in an article (or elsewhere in the project) doesn't mean we should continue adding other things like that. Anyway, I agree with you that the RPG Classics site appears to be just another fansite and s hould probably be removed; if you want to go ahead and remove it I would not object.

As for trying to get the community together, that is a noble goal, but unfortunately Wikipedia is not supposed to be used as a vehicle for community-building (see What Wikipedia is not). rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:33, 8 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!

Thanks for spotting and reverting the vandalism on my userpage, I really appreciate it! ʙʌsʌwʌʟʌ ^{spik ʌp!} 09:42, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hey, thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page! —Entropy (T/C) 18:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 13 February 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 1, 28 January 2011

This is the second issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

Userboxes and profiles - Add an ambassador userbox to your page, and make sure you've added your mentor profile!
Be a coordinating ambassador - Pick and class and make sure no students fall through the cracks.
New screencasts - Short videos on watchlists and a number of other topics may be useful to students.
Updates from Campus Ambassadors - Ambassadors are starting to report on classroom experiences, both on-wiki and on the Google Group.
Other news - There's a new on-wiki application for being an Online Ambassador, and Editing Friday #2 is today!
Things you can do - This is just a sample; if you're eager for something to do, there's plenty more.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:25, 11 February 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Flag of East Turkistan

This came in today. I left a note on Talk:Flag of East Turkistan. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 14:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DYK discussion of Jeanne Galzy

It seems to be stuck now. Since you were the one who pulled it from the queue, and from your last comment you seem to be ok with it now, could you check off on it? LadyofShalott 03:40, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the note. Since I am involved I would not feel comfortable approving and selecting the hook (since it would basically amount to me rejecting the previous hook, insisting on a new one, and then promoting the very hook I insisted on). You could consider leaving a message at WT:DYK asking for another reviewer. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:32, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough - thank you for the reply. I'll post a note where you have suggested. LadyofShalott 21:49, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny come lately here: I've asked BushRanger to move it along to one of the prep areas, since there is an agreed-upon hook. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 04:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Re: The Sweet Escape

I wasn't edit warring per se, I was just warning him that he can't just go around messing with articles' styles without an explanation whatsoever. For the record, that wasn't the only page he edited inaccurately or the first time he had been warned. I'll back down for now, but I will revert his edits eventually. SnapSnap 01:21, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you were edit warring: [7][8][9]. It doesn't matter if he was right or not (for what it's worth, I looked over his edits at other pages and some were appropriate and some not; he has since been warned about making these changes without discussing); edit warring is not appropriate either way. rʨanaɢ (talk) 04:26, 19 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mentoring students: be sure to check in on them

This message is going out to all of the Online Ambassadors who are, or will be, serving as mentors this term.

Hi there! This is just a friendly reminder to check in on what your mentees are doing. If they've started making edits, take a look and help them out or do some example fixes for them, if they need it. And if they are doing good, let them know it!

If you aren't mentoring anyone yet, it looks like you will be soon; at least one large class is asking us to assign mentors for them, and students in a number of others haven't yet gotten to asking ambassadors to be their mentors, but may soon. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am new to wikipedia editing and am exploring it in my trade policy class. I figured you would be a good mentor because you edit articles on China and I used to live and work there. Emptybride (talk) 23:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Moves of Jilu Mandarin, etc

Please go to that page's talk to give your input, before enough users who are not knowledgeable enough chime in. Thanks. --HXL's Roundtable and Record 06:27, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit war on Uyghur people

Hey Rjanag! If you have time, please look into the edit war going on in Uyghur people, which stirred up due to one user questioning the significance of Uyghurs in Turkey. Also, If you have additional time, there's also a debate going on in Talk:Hindi-Urdu about transliteration/transcription. Thanks, ʙʌsʌwʌʟʌ ^{spik ʌp!} 20:39, 1 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:SecularHumanist1789

Hi again Rjanag, this user has been removing legitimate comments on his talk page (which is perfectly fine), but putting "vandalism" as the edit summary, even after I asked them not to do so. Is there a policy against this, and if so, what should be done? Thanks, ʙʌsʌwʌʟʌ ^{spik ʌp!} 09:26, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's rude, but there's not really anything that can be done about it. Anyway, I've given the user a final warning regarding edit warring. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:45, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Uyghur people

Alright. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 17:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Online Ambassador Program

Please take a look at this project page and see if you can be a mentor to one of the many Areas of Study. If you can, please put your name in the "Online Mentor" area of the Area of Study of your choice and then contact the students you will be working with. As the Coordinating Online Ambassador for this project, please let me know if I can be of assistance. Take Care...Neutralhomer • Talk • 04:21, 3 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

God of War

Greetings. Actually, if you take a close look I have been trying to improve the articles and compensate for what are largely questionable edits on account of poor spelling, grammar and other issues. These articles attract their fair share of fans who at times don't see that where possible things neeed to be kept at encyclopedia standard. As tiring as it is, I will continue to persevere. Regards. Thebladesofchaos (talk) 03:18, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying to be civil to you. The comment Again, I am not interested isn't really necessary or expected of administrators. I've dealt with other admin folk on Wikipedia who have been good enough to discuss the issues and not throw up brick walls. Perhaps I should contact one of them to help mediate. Thebladesofchaos (talk) 03:40, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I think you missed the point. I'm not talking about edit warring. I was referring to your own rather blunt commentary (recent proof in the Edit Summaries - again: stop edit warring and complaints completely immaterial. Both are very brusque and miss the fact that I was making an observation). On editing in general, something that also needs to be addressed are scenarios whereby somewhat inexperienced editors stick to their guns, even though there has been compromise and repeated attempts to explain the flaws in their logic. It has to go through Request for Comment etc etc and creates more work before anything can get done. But, no matter. I will discuss where possible and if there are additional issues contact another editor I know who is experienced, affable and above all patient. Thebladesofchaos (talk) 04:19, 9 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Marking articles students are working on

Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:

Add {{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }} to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{WikiProject United States Public Policy}}
Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

South Korea

Hi there, just noticed that you reverted my edit while I was putting the finishing touches to it ;)

As for the rationale you mention, I have modeled the introduction mostly on Japan, Norway, Italy, Germany and Canada. It contains elements from each country that relates to South Korea.

I looked at previous edits and thought there were some important facts about South Korea that were missing from the main intro so decided to give it a try myself.

I have tried to refrain from POV as much as possible and edit the intro with sourced facts but let me know if there are some elements that you think are leaning that way.

In the meantime, I will apply some of the finishing changes :) Pocketchef (talk) 20:50, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, since you made a large number of changes without using edit summaries, it's difficult to tell what exactly you did; particularly, since you moved large chunks around without saying so, it's also difficult to tell from the diff (editing comparison) what new text you added or how you changed the existing text.

Secondly, you've added several unnecessary superlatives ("tallest building in Asia", "first Asian country to host the G20") and images without any explanation of why they're important. Numerous discussions at the talk page have ended in a consensus that we should avoid "boasting" in the article. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:17, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your inputs. Now, I think reverting the whole edit just because it's difficult to compare the different versions is not constructive. I do agree that it's a great idea to put a rationale at the end of each edit, which I will do so from now on. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia, so I'm still getting used to the rules here ;) We can compare the current version with the version before I edited to figure out the difference, but I will address the two you mentioned. Firstly, you seem to be referring to the 63 Building that was built in 1985 as the tallest in Asia. The reason why this is significant is that it represents South Korea's economic growth at its peak. It's similar to the skyscraper boom going on in China at the moment. Now I'm not a big fan of superlatives, however, the 63 Building (as its floor count name suggests) was built for the purpose of tall height for the 1988 Seoul Olympics. It is also the centerpiece skyscraper in Seoul's financial district, and as such, I regard it is necessary to mention this superlative. Secondly, you seem to be referring to the G-20 Seoul Summit. As for this one, I agree that it is leaning more on the unnecessary side. While it is significant that South Korea was the first non-Western country to host this major event, I think I understand your view in that it is not important in a Wikipedia article. I will apply those changes now. Let me know if you have more contributions to make. Thanks Pocketchef (talk) 21:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Chzz ► 06:33, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This comment really does disturb me. If you're accusing me of CANVASS, that is very worrying to me. If you made an error, please retract ASAP. I would absolutely hate to be thought of as canvassing. Thanks for your time. Chzz ► 06:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Replied, on my talk as above. Chzz ► 07:06, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

+again Chzz ► 07:15, 18 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

slow edit-warring

I'm not really familiar myself, but is there a policy against slow edit-warring, that is, repeated revert edits spread out over a number of days, with no explanation nor engagement in discussion by an editor? Numerous editors have reverted User:2%peach's edits at List of cities in China (user also previously edited as an IP, 110.174.64.45), and the user has been warned. 3RR doesn't apply in this case, as it doesn't occur within 24-hours, so I'm not quite sure on what I should do that would be appropriate. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 07:40, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Ben, my philosophy is, slow edit warring is still edit warring even if it doesn't technically violate 3RR. I'm just about to go out of town for a few days so I don't know if I'll have time to take a look at this, but I would suggest going ahead and trying WP:AN3 if the editor has been repeatedly reverting without discussion. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 3, 21 March 2011

This is the third issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

Where the courses are - A brief summary of how each of the 31 Public Policy Initiative courses are faring so far in the Spring 2011 term, as of 9-11 March. Feel free to add more detail.
Tracking students' articles - Make sure students' articles are tagged with {{WAP assignment}} on the talk pages, and have the newly improved Article Feedback Tool active.
Education portal in progress - Wikimedia staff have started work on an outreach portal for information about teaching with and about Wikipedia. Please help develop it!
Online Ambassadors logistics - If you don't have a Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt, now's your chance to get one! (Also, some other more mundane, but important, details.)
Steering committee preparing proposals - Look for discussions about two major proposals about the future ambassador program soon: the "Regional Ambassador" role, and elections for a new committee.
Editing Friday returns - This Friday, join fellow ambassadors and others real-time collaboration on Wainwright Building.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 22:26, 21 March 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Sokka article

As an administrator can you restore the Sokka article's history per here. Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 01:04, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. The article has return but not with the before history though. Sorry to bother you. Happy editing. :) Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 23:46, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thaks. Appreciate it. :) Jhenderson⁷⁷⁷ 18:47, 1 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Me ne frego @ Uyghur people

He's "right" and has "proven" it. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 14:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let's finally solve this issue. According to your statement here, the image "has been subject of disputes over its use on other Wikipedias, including en-wiki". I want to know where exactly. I also want to remind you, that your claim that "Picture is not representative of what Uyghur people usually look like", which was later corrected, shows how much you actually know about Uyghurs.--Me ne frego (talk) 16:22, 3 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

@Seb: Looks like the problem is solved. I thought something smelled fishy... rʨanaɢ (talk) 00:41, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A-ha. I notified the admins on commons as well. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 03:19, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ERPLAB

Hi, Rjanag. I'm pleased to have another set of eyes on this article. As you can see from the edit history, I've attempted to explain what the problem is with the material these editors keep re-adding to the article, but they seem in no mood to listen. I've now attempted a longer explanation on the article's talk page in the attempt to allay any confusion.

Candidly, though, I think all the edits to the article besides mine and yours are probably the work of a single editor, or a couple of editors working in tandem, whose purpose is to publicize the topic. I say this because User:Jcho91 created and then blanked a test article called Etfoo, Etfoo being the username of the other(?) principal contributor to the article: I'm guessing he was experimenting and forgot who he was logged-in as. User:Etfoo, the creator of the article, has a fairly straightforward conflict of interest.

I've so far avoided nominating the article for deletion in spite of the absence of sources needed to establish notability. I hesitate to nominate scientific topics because, unlike general-interest topics, whose notability is typically easily established or discounted with little more than a Google search, a science-related topic may be perfectly notable but information about it may not turn up in the usual places and may require access to more specialized resources. Nevertheless, as considerable time has elapsed without the addition of any sources to the article, if none are added after a decent interval I will likely send it to AfD. -- Rrburke (talk) 11:50, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; ERPLAB is definitely widely known and talked about within this community (in fact at my lab we're talking about adopting it for our analyses), although I don't know whether we will be able to find the kinds of sources that Wikipedia likes. I assume the editors in question are just some well-intentioned people from Luck's lab who aren't familiar with Wikipedia's guidelines and purpose. I will try to leave them a message soon and explain things. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ERPLAB Wikipedia

Hi,

Thank you for your help with the wikipedia page ERPLAB. This is my first wikipedia page and apologize for any actions that are against wikipedia's guidelines. I am a part of the Luck Lab and was asked to create this page in order to give researchers a brief history of what our software is capable of. We also wanted to give some instructions on how to easily download the software (hence the links I tried uploading).

We also wanted to give thanks to members in our lab and researchers who have helped in the development of the software. However, under wikipedias guidelines, I have learned that this may not be possible. Is there any way that we can show our gratitude towards these members, possibly in a history section?

-jcho91 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcho91 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Linguistic signs

Please see the reference desk post, I've replied to your comment there. --Goqer (talk) 09:34, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Hyacinth#Wikipedia:Use-mention distinction

A link to a word is a mention (even if most are created around uses). Can you find any guidelines that deal with the use-mention distinction in articles? Hyacinth (talk) 03:13, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

kindly fyi

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/IGFM#Gesellschaftliche_Positionierung

nobody takes them seriously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.237.211.247 (talk) 15:49, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mind weighing in?

Rjanag, I've seen you at LGBT-related articles, and want to know if you wouldn't mind weighing in on this: Talk:Heterosexualization#Not only an LGBT issue. I posted a message about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies, but I hardly get any help from there or other WikiProjects these days. So part of my approach these days is to go to relevant editors individually and hope they weigh in. Flyer22 (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to two votes

Dear Rjanag, I have noticed that you have spent some time helping with the article "2011 Chinese protests". Therefore I would like to inform you about two votes going on:

"Vote for renaming article to "Chinese Jasmine Revolution"" at the bottom of the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:2011_Chinese_protests

AfD for the article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/China's_2011_crackdown_on_dissidents#China.27s_2011_crackdown_on_dissidents

Thank you very much for your valued opinion! Best, Waikiki lwt (talk) 08:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yours is the thirteenth such post on talk pages. This SPA has been engaged in tendentious editing and edit warring at the 2011 Chinese protests for several days. Do you know if anything can be done about it? Cheers, --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 09:20, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit (Page) Notice Request

Could you please create a page notice at Talk:People's Republic of China and Talk:China? I can't put up with the incessant inquiries into "why doesn't China redirect to PRC?", and this issue really needs to be discussed at WT:NC-ZH, and not on those two talk pages. Something like "Any threads discussing a possible re-direct of China to the PRC will be promptly removed" should suffice. Thanks --HXL's Roundtable and Record 14:47, 19 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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好久不見--俠刀行 (talk) 16:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 22 April 2011

The newsletter of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – Volume 4, 22 April 2011

This is the fourth issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.

Voting begins for steering committee - The voting phase for the Wikipedia Ambassador Steering Committee election started this week, and will continue through 27 April.
Seeking more Regional Ambassadors in the US - We are still looking for Regional Ambassadors for the United States! The deadline has been extended to Friday, April 29th.
India pilot being organized now - Plans are currently underway for a pilot expansion of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program – in India! Hisham Mundol and other Wikimedia staff have begun recruiting Campus Ambassador candidates for Pune.
Document DYK, peer review and other milestone at the trophy case - If students you are working with (or any others you notice) are doing work that makes to DYK, is nominated for Good Article status, or is just solid content worth marking, then please help us document the students' success at the trophy case.
Ambassador program at Wikimania - We're planning a set of Wikipedia Ambassador Program presentations for Wikimania 2011, in Haifa this August.
Changes to mailing list - A new low-volume mailing list, [Ambassador-announce-l], is being created. It will be reserved for key announcements and news, which we'd like all ambassadors to be subscribed to.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 16:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC) [reply]

Message at Talk:July 2009 Ürümqi riots

there is some concern about dead refs and such, questioning the FA-status of the article. Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 03:12, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Help - Solid Waste policy team

Hello

We see that Solid Waste is currently directed to Municipal Solid Waste which is not correct if you talk about solid waste. When we created the Solid waste policy in the United States page, we are elaborating the Solid Waste section in every detail. So can you please forward the solid waste to this "about the solid waste" heading in this article? Also please let us know if you have any alternative suggestion. --Brijesh Krishnan 03:10, 29 April 2011 (UTC) Brijeshkrishnan (talk)

It would probably be better to just create a new article on solid waste in general (by clicking here) rather than redirecting to your article, which (according to its title) is about policies regarding solid waste in the United States in particular. The new article does not have to be long or detailed, it could just be a stub or brief definition; technically, it could even be more or less copy-pasted from Solid waste policy in the United States#About solid waste if you are in a hurry, although you should always do some minor copyediting and revisions to make sure it still works as a stand-alone article (with the context from the other article removed). rʨanaɢ (talk) 09:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. When I was trying to edit the redirecting link of solid waste - it said the topic is administrator protected. Will it be the same if I go ahead creating the new page as per your suggestion? --Brijesh Krishnan 20:17, 29 April 2011 (UTC) Brijeshkrishnan (talk)

I don't believe so. As far as I can tell neither Solid Waste nor Solid waste is protected. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:36, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. We will try and get back to you if need need any advise. --Brijesh Krishnan 05:36, 30 April 2011 (UTC) Brijeshkrishnan (talk)

Proposed deletion of Shao bing

The article Shao bing has been proposed for deletion because under Wikipedia policy, all biographies of living persons created after March 18, 2010, must have at least one source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't take offense. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners or ask at Wikipedia:Help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. noq (talk) 18:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please help assess articles for Public Policy Initiative research

Hi Rjanag,

Your work as an Online Ambassador is making a big contribution to Wikipedia. Right now, we're trying to measure just how much student work improves the quality of Wikipedia. If you'd like contribute to this research and get a firsthand look at the quality improvement that is happening through the project, please sign up to assess articles. Assessment is happening now, just use the quantitative metric and start assessing! Your help would be hugely appreciated!

Thank you, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 17:14, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese word for "crisis"

Please explain on the talk page exactly what you disagree with in my edits and revert only that if you must, rather than a wholesale rollback. The language of the article is highly judgmental, assumes the validity of Mair's arguments as uncontroversial facts, misuses the technical term folk etymology, and attributes POV's to "some linguists" which are blog posts by a colleague of Mair who cites Mair as his source. The only possible thing I can imagine you taking exception to is the quote of Long Zhangdao from a commercial website - if so that can be selectively addressed. I am going to restore my edits and would appreciate if you would be precise in any further reversions. μηδείς (talk) 19:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My post is on the talk page. Sorry about the delay, I was running into Wikimedia errors. Anyway, let's please adhere to WP:BRD and work out a consensus on the talk page rather than starting to edit war. Thank you, rʨanaɢ (talk) 19:54, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, thanks, I saw you and answered there. μηδείς (talk) 20:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt

Hi! This is the last call for signing on for a Wikipedia Ambassador hooded sweatshirt (in case you missed the earlier message in one of the program newsletters about it). If you would like one, please email me with your name, mailing address, and (US) sweatshirt size. We have a limited number left, so it will be first-come, first-served. (If more than one size would work for you, note that as well.)

Cheers, Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:42, 19 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Joseon Dynasty

So I appreciate your attempts to cool down the neverending Joseon Dynasty edit war, but your 3RR warning to me seems a little excessive: I reverted the page precisely twice, with each revert more than 24 hours apart, and both reverts simply restored well-referenced content that was deleted by new users with no explanation -- which is vandalism in my book and, I presume, yours as well. I intend to continue both reverting unhelpful deletions and my rather fruitless attempts to engage the Korean nationalists on Talk:Joseon Dynasty, although they've so far been rather impervious to reasoning, not least because many of them don't actually speak English... Jpatokal (talk) 11:40, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Edit warring is still edit warring regardless of how many reverts you have made; please click that link and familiarize yourself with our actual edit warring policy, not just 3RR. This is not the first time I have warned editors at this article about edit warring. I have no intention of taking sides; while I do agree that many of the deletions were unexplained and look like repeats of nationalistic edit warring that has been done in the past, I also think that all sides in this dispute need to be keeping things to the talk page. If you guys keep edit warring like this I will not be averse to protecting the page again, this time for a much longer period. rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:12, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Young whippersnapper, I've been on Wikipedia twice as long as you, so rest assured, I am intimately familiar with the edit warring policy. (Or take a look at my block log: 8 years, 13,000+ edits, and precisely zero blocks.)

Thing is, if somebody adds something controversial or dubious or oddly worded, it's possible to work out a compromise: reword the addition, question its validity, move it elsewhere in the article, etc. But what do you do when somebody removes referenced content with no justification? The only sensible option is to restore it until they explain themselves, and I will continue to do so -- but if you have better concrete suggestions for how to deal with this, I'm all ears. (Here, for your reference, is what I was reverting, and here is the track record of [most probably] the sock puppet in question; note total lack of coherent edit summaries or Talk page contributions.) Jpatokal (talk) 22:58, 22 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So, do you think my behavior was reasonable, or can you propose an alternative course of action? Jpatokal (talk) 03:22, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've been following the Joseon talk page war as an uninvolved editor and am increasingly discouraged that any consensus will be possible. Several nationalist POV warriors will never be able to see Joseon in a broader historical framework that includes a realistic view of the Imperial tributary trade system, Korean-Qing dynasty relations, nor comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policies. We may need to protect Joseon dynasty for weeks or months more until the conflict dies down. NickDupree (talk) 23:24, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

we need neutral third party help in this ANI dispute

you've dealt with both me and Arilang1234 before

Arilang1234 having a go at his POV pushing on the boxer rebellion article, claiming the content in the article is from "chinese high school text book", when not a single chinese or communist source was used in the article.

look at the section now- Talk:Boxer_Rebellion#Lead_section

report I made on his edits- he tries to link the black panthers, marxists, and vietnam war to anti imperialism on the boxer rebellion= User:ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ/Report ANI

marxists, black panthers and vietnam protestors have something to do with anti imperialism in the boxer rebellion according to arilang

since benlisquare mentioned australia also includes anti imperialism in its textbooks, arilang1234 goes on to claim it must be because australia is a "socialist" country

Now he thinks dropping off conspiracy theories about high school text books, australia, marxists, black panthers, and vietnam on the boxer rebellion article and filing an ANI report after he was criticized for doing so is acceptable

Arilang1234 attempting wikilawyering and making threats when he was caught trolling

After his trolling on the Boxer rebellion talk page, Arilang1234 proceeded to file this ANI report complaining about me after I criticized him for his attempt at linking marxists, black panthers, and vietnam war to the Boxer rebels...ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 00:11, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And he titled the ANI thread "racist", and proceeded to provide not one single piece of evidence that I said anything racist at all. One also has to wonder what the "cold war" he inserted into the title has to do with anything other than to grab attention.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 00:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

false accusations

Arilang1234 lodged two false accusations directly against me, see this User:ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ.False Accusations. They've crossed the border into outright lying. Arilang1234 deliberately showed past revisions of the talk page rather than the current one, in order to claim/lie that I did not respond to Smallchief and John Smith's. I need other users to confirm that he deliberately lied with malicious intent.ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 03:49, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi

Please have a look:Qing Dynasty Royal Decree on events leading to the signing of Boxer Protocol and kindly give some advice on how to improve it? Arilang ^talk 06:19, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have created a synopsis section on Qing Dynasty Royal Decree on events leading to the signing of Boxer Protocol, please have a look and give some advice. Arilang ^talk 03:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again, please have a look:1900 National Upheaval and kindly suggest ways to improve the article, thanks. Arilang ^talk 08:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Uyghur script help

Hello Rjanag. Are you able to read the Uyghur script within the following images:(image1, image2) and type it into plain Unicode text, so that it can be included in the table at Resident Identity Card#Identity cards in ethnic minority areas? Thanks. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 04:13, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The tiny text is a bit unclear, but between that and the Chinese translations I think I got it:

First image, first line of text is تارقاتقان ئورگان (ULY tarqatqan organi). Second line is كۈقكە ئىگە ئۈددىتى (ULY küqke ige üdditi). Both are the same in meaning as the Chinese text below them.

Second image, text above 民族 is مىللىتى (milliti). The words in the next line, from left to right, are توغۇلغان (toghulghan), يىل (yil), ئاي (ay), and كۈن (kün). Next line down should be ئادرېسى (adrësi); text is a bit unclear but that's what 住地 ought to be. Last line is كىملىك نومۇرى (kimlik nomuri). All these are just direct translations of the Chinese text below them.

Best, rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:00, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks alot for that. I was also able to find "ethnicity" from this dictionary entry as well, but the site is quite strange to navigate. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 14:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. The best online dictionary I've found so far for Uyghur is http://dict.yulghun.com/ , although it seems to go down from time to time, and there is a quota of words you can look up per 24 hours. rʨanaɢ (talk) 17:11, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chinese characters

Hi Rjanag, long time no talk. I just remembered you were a Chinese speaker and was wondering if you think that individual Chinese characters would warrant Wikipedia articles. Some of them obviously have rich cultural tradition and I believe the contents would grow beyond mere definitions. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:02, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I think a very small number might, but the vast majority don't. I don't know if you can read French, but on fr-wiki they have stubs on a whole lot of Chinese characters and around two years back I tried AfDing the lot of them, ultimately there was no consensus to delete all of them although I did get a few individual ones deleted. Although, to be fair, their articles really were just definitions (they were all like "X is a Chinese character that means Y, is Unicode value is Z"); if you were able to pull together something more encyclopedic it might be a different story. rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:05, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree only a very small number of them would, perhaps a handful. By the way I've noticed that we already have articles on some of them in Category:Chinese characters, and it seems a couple of them might need to be sent to AfD. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:35, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I hadn't noticed that. I agree; based on my brief glance, I think Jiong, 腹, and 阝 should all be deleted. Fu character looks ok to me because of its cultural significance, and 了 seems borderline (although I must confess I'm a bit biased, as I wrote my undergraduate thesis on this character; nevertheless, I think this character is really of theoretical/academic interest but not encyclopedic interest). rʨanaɢ (talk) 14:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

While we are on the subject, I'd like to ask another question. I just found Thomas Watters' Essays on the Chinese language (1889) and am thoroughly enjoying it! I wonder if you could recommend another good in-depth book written in English on Chinese language? I am in fact a native Korean speaker—Here students are required to learn Chinese script as many of the Korean classics are written in it—and have some basic knowledge of Japanese too. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:38, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hm...off the top of my head, The Chinese Language: Fact and Fantasy by John DeFrancis is one of the classics. I also really like Jerome Packard's The Morphology of Chinese—it's a more theoretical, academic treatment, but still a pretty interesting read I think. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Oi!

Easy there with the templates, cowboy -- I have not been involved in the can-Joseon-be-tagged-as-WP:CHINA edit war, at all. Here are the only edits I've made to the page in the last week: [10] [11] [12] Please remove your edit from my talk page and apologize. Jpatokal (talk) 03:21, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Jpatokal (talk) 22:04, 5 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:Historiographer and Gaming the system

As you know, the edit war on Talk:Joseon Dynasty involves multiple users, none of whom have crossed 3rr on their own. Following your example remedy for the earlier edit war on Joseon Dynasty, I have thus filed a request for page protection. However, although many users acted wrongly in this dispute, the conduct of Historiographer (talk · contribs) is uniquely egregious and sanctionable. Historiographer has a history of edit warring at Joseon Dynasty: on 28 April 2011, he was blocked for 72 hours for edit warring on Joseon Dynasty, with the blocking admin noting that "Historiographer is a repeat offender with several prior 24 hr blocks for edit warring" and that "Korea-related conflicts of this sort are a perennial hotspot and should be treated as a zero-tolerance area when it comes to edit warring". In response to this edit war, you protected the article on 4 May. But after the protection expired, an edit war involving Historiographer flared up again, and in this edit on 22 May, you warned five named users—Baptisan4, Jpatokal, Historiographer, Melonbarmonster2, and Oda Mari—that "Any edit warring on this issue after the page protection ends will be blockable".

At the beginning of the new edit war on Talk:Joseon Dynasty, Historiographer joined the fighting in earnest (5 June), despite your first warning after his block directed explicitly at him about edit warring on that page. He then became one of the three users (including Jpatokal and myself) who received user talk page warnings (5 June) from you against edit warring. When you and I discussed the new template you used for those warnings, {{uw-ew}}, you said that "WP:3RR clearly states that editors can be blocked without breaching 3RR." After those user talk warnings, edit-warring on Talk:Joseon Dynasty continued, but Jpatokal and I, as already-warned or wrongly-warned editors, refrained from making any more reverts. Yet Historiographer continued (6 June) to make his second hostile revert just on the talk page, despite two warnings directed specifically at him within the past two weeks, and a block for warring on the main article within the last two months. Trying to assume good faith, I pointed out on that article's talk page how defiant Historiographer's behavior looked, and suggested that if he didn't want to appear to be gaming the system, he should revert himself. Although he was active on the talk page just seven minutes before I made my plea, he has yet to respond to it or to otherwise show remorse. Historiographer (talk · contribs) has gotten as brazenly close to breaking Wikipedia's edit warring rules as you can get without breaking 3RR. So my question is, what is the correct venue to request a stop to his sustained disruptive behavior? I would have brought this to the edit warring noticeboard, but the format seems to be oriented towards recent violations of 3rr, and this case involves a lot of history where only you and Future Perfect at Sunrise as admins have the requisite familiarity. Quigley (talk) 06:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have requested Future Perfect at Sunrise's assistance with this case. Quigley (talk) 21:06, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, sorry, I got distracted and forgot to respond to your last message. I meant to say that I agree Historiographer's reverts were probably blockable, and I probably dropped the ball when I gave him a warning rather than a block; I was giving everyone involved a warning as a knee-jerk reaction, and I forgot about Historiographer's existing block history. By now, though, I think a block would just be punitive, unless he does it again. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

At the time I also felt that the case was a bit unclear because Historiographer was reverting a revert that was already somewhat questionable (NotYourBroom's restoration of the tag that was under dispute, albeit a very silly dispute), so I'm not sure it would have been appropriate to punish that user and none of the others. Some might believe the user was somewhat justified in doing that to restore the status quo during a dispute (although his edit summary suggests that that isn't the reason he had in mind). rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Well, he did do it again, if by that you mean revert (03:52, 6 June 2011) after you gave him the warning (02:35, 5 June 2011). Notyourbroom was warned not even once about this although Historiographer was warned multiple times, so that's why I think Historiographer's behavior is different. A more general question I want to ask, then, is: when can editors can be blocked without breaching 3RR? Were there any specific examples that you were thinking of when you made that comment? Quigley (talk) 21:33, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

autoconfirmed talkpage protection

Do you have the authority to protect my talk page (autoconfirmed users only) for 24 hours? 24 hours should be long enough. There is an IP edit warring on my page, and since I have email notifications turned on, it's getting really annoying. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 10:43, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh, never mind, looks like its over. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 11:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

re your edit

Probably right. I was just trying to find something to link to Ershidin Israil...... I didn't want my new article to be an orphan... NickCT (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Actually I figured it was probably borderline, so we can still discuss it more at the talk page if you like.

Regarding your new article, though, to me it looks like it might be bordering on WP:BLP1E; has anyone else expressed concerns? rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need to discuss it further. The WP:UNDUE rationale is reasonable. I'll look for other pages to link.

Re WP:BLP1E - That's probably a valid concern. I think however that there is some notable information within Ershidin Israil, and I'm not sure that information would be better suited under some other article..... Perhaps rename the article to Extradition of Ershidin Israil to avoid WP:BLP1E concern? That seems like a somewhat untidy fix. NickCT (talk) 20:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Mass tagging discussion

I've left a comment here, maybe you're interested in my 2 cents. --213.168.111.208 (talk) 19:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This guy ( _Xeworlebi ^(talk)) is driving me crazy with tags on Buffy episodes. He seems to have a big bug about it. I agree with you that if individual episode pages have been the convention, then they shouldn't have to meet some sort of random "notability" quotient, but I've given up on arguing with him (see Talk:Anne (Buffy the Vampire Slayer episode). It might help if he could define "notability" to his satisfaction, since apparently it is he we have to satisfy--WP policy doesn't seem to be enough for him. He's also insisting on references on plot summaries, which according to WP plot guidelines, do not require them. Is it worth taking this to a higher authority? The guy has worn me out. I, too, used the phrase "drive-by tagging" as I see he doesn't work on any of the things he tags, just stops by to annoy the rest of us.--TEHodson 23:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Taking a look at the last couple hundred of the guy's edits, most are taggings and reversion of other people's work. I'm thinking he's living out an "I never got to grade everyone else's papers" fantasy. I doubt he'll stop arguing or change his mind. Personally, I prefer a life of peaceful co-existence, but others enjoy stirring the pot.--TEHodson 00:19, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from personal attacks; we can have a discussion about the issues without attacking the other editors. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, Xeworlebi has about the worst civility:incompetence-ratio I've come across. He manages to get under people's skin.

Consider e.g. that he mass-tags those episodes because he knows full well that probably not one of them would be deleted at AfD. So he mass-tags them -- for what exactly? To annoy people. Incidentally, he appears to perceive just about any communication directed at him as attempts at annoying him. Not to mention that he doesn't forgive (at least he was being honest there).

Seriously, it's not just this issue. Xeworlebi is belligerent even in completely non-controversial cases where he simply happens to be barely informed about e.g. the MoS. It's about time to start a serious discussion about his overall behavior. --213.196.211.193 (talk) 08:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I find it especially irritating that on his Talk page he "reverts" comments from people who disagree with him and then insults them. It's cowardly and while it's not forbidden to do that, WP makes it very clear that the preferred method is to deal with disagreements and archive one's Talk page, not delete comments on it. Anyone who merely reverts and tags is acting not as an editor, but as a traffic officer. It's rude and destructive behavior. It's stuff like this that drives the sanest editors away, leaving only the quarrelsome ones behind.--TEHodson 09:21, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

You're exactly right. I've long found that removing comments from one's user talk page can be an aggressive gesture. In Xeworlebi's case, even without his angry edit summaries, it is clear that he frequently removes other people's comments in an angry and aggressive way. It's clearly uncivil in spirit regardless of the letter of WP:TPG. --87.79.213.156 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC) (just to make sure: I'm the same IP from above, my ISP assigns me wildly varying addresses)[reply]

I just posted this on his talk page, and copied it here: "I have requested editing dispute assistance, as your random mass "notability" tagging seems impossible to resolve. You have not once described what you would consider acceptable noteworthiness (or whatever the word should be), nor have you explained how you are suddenly the gatekeeper for notability on the many episode pages you've tagged. You haven't shown us an example by, say, editing one of the pages yourself to make it notable by your standards so we can follow suit and then remove the tags without further trouble. Nor have you accepted the contention that if all the page consists of is plot, there is no need to demand references, as the episode is its own reference, even though that is acceptable WP policy. Such a page should have a "plot only" tag, but it's absurd to demand references for a page that has, as yet, nothing to reference. You can find my request here: Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests" --TEHodson 10:10, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Xeworlebi's behavior

So you don't see any problem with Xeworlebi's behavior, nor with the fact that he is as utterly incompetent as he is unwilling to listen to other editors' input? Ok then, enjoy his company. --87.79.213.156 (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Uyghur people

ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk · contribs) is at it again; apart from the content which I cannot really evaluate, the section-header "Creation of the Uyghur Nationalist movement by the Soviet Russian Communists" seems "ranty" to me... Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 ^{> haneʼ} 00:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

see response- I did not mention anywhere in my edit about Russians creating "Uyghur Identity". i said that they created the modern ethnic nationality (which is true since the first time Uyghurs were counted as a nationality was by the 1926 soviet census)

Talk:Uyghur_people#.CE.94.CE.A5.CE.9D.CE.93.CE.91.CE.9D.CE.95.27s_recent_additions

ΔΥΝΓΑΝΕ (talk) 20:09, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Re your small comment . . .

. . . at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language#A different language?: Good comic strip—one I'd not seen before. I liked this one as well. Deor (talk) 00:11, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Drifter (person)

I don't suppose you'd mind replying to this? I can't put the article up for AFD now, as the page is still protected, and I'm pretty sure I can't do it once the protection expires, either, without an account. -- 68.33.14.232 (talk) 04:23, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Four Award articles

Why does Category:Good articles only include article space articles?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake; I just noticed that Category:Four Award articles is hidden, which means it should be ok. Nevertheless, it would be better if you could find a way to get it onto the talk page (for instance, by making a talkpage template that can be added to the top of FOUR articles) rather than directly adding the category in the article, since having that category in the list of non-administrative categories clutters the list. (Note that categories like Category:Good articles are populated through templates that have been placed on the article by community consensus; they are not directly added in the category list at the bottom of the article.) rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It took GA years to get approval for their top-page template icon. Is this a topic that is appropriate for CFD or where could we get a wider set of responses from people who might know what the bigger picture policy reasons are why Category:Good articles and Category:Featured articles are an article space category and Category:Wikipedia featured articles & Category:Wikipedia good articles are talk page space categories. I don't actually understand the difference.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting that you make an icon for article space; that's not necessary for a project this small and it would never get consensus. What I was suggesting was a small box or icon to go on the talk page or, better yet, talking to User:Gimmetrow about adding something in {{ArticleHistory}} (a single parameter like |dykdate= would probably do, just something to add a sentence like "this article has received a Four Award" and add the category). At the worst, the category could just be typed in at the top of the talk page, with the wikiproject banners.

As for why Category:Good articles and Category:Featured articles are an article space category, I already mentioned the reason for that: they are filled up by the icons, which are in article space. As for why those categories exist at all, I don't know (if the icons and the {{ArticleHistory}} template are implemented correctly, those categories are redundant to one another). rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think this category is the proper parallel to the aformentioned article space categories except that it will be manually maintained.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. For the reasons I stated above, it is not ideal to have this category mixed in with "content" categories in the wikitext, if that can be avoided (which it can through any of the alternatives I described). rʨanaɢ (talk) 23:37, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am soliciting opinions at Wikipedia_talk:Four_Award#Category:Four_Award_articles. Feel free to comment there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:53, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Spare Change News article

Hello. You removed a significant quote from the late historian Howard Zinn which I inserted in the Spare Change News article. Your comment was it was superfluous. You removed it / reverted it, without discussion. I think Howard Zinn's quote about Spare Change News specifically is instructive despite the material possible being covered on general descriptive principles in the article. I may put it back in the article. --- Wikiklrsc (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BRD, since we disagree on this it would be better to discuss the issue here or at the talkpage until we reach a consensus, and in the meantime leave the earlier version of the article up (without the quote). You are welcome to invite other editors to comment or ask for a WP:3O; as for me, I still think the quote doesn't really provide anything that isn't already apparent in the article. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your position but still mostly disagree with its export. I think it's significant that Dr. Zinn said it in addition to its being in the article in different words. I've asked a third party to look at it and I will think about it some more with your points in mind. Perhaps there's a middle ground. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 01:53, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As the aforementioned third party, I took a look at the article, and the material in question. Regarding the placement of the Howard Zinn passage, that location seems out of place. The section is titled for mission statements, and the quote by Howard Zinn isn't really a mission statement in the normal sense of the term. At this point, I'm inclined to say leave the quote out, because (A) I can't figure out a really good place to put it, and (B) I don't want to start a quote farm. You might want to consider putting passage into Wikiquote? SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:27, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Ben, for your kind help. I'll sit on it or figure out a better place and blend if possible at all. I'm unsettled on it but appreciate all the points above. Thanks to Rjanag for pointing it out. I know there are articles where some significant figure is quoted or even something like "President Obama said the work of the organization is critical to the global recovery ..." despite its being already described in the same article sans Obama. Oh well. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 04:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SotC

re your revert: I believe if you use my CSE, you will be pleasantly surprised to discover that not only is there a RS for that claim, it is a RS already being used in the article.

Perhaps this will help your researching new claims in the future. --Gwern (contribs) 01:20 22 June 2011 (GMT)

I see. In any case, it would better to work this information in with attribution to other sources (either in some general paragraph about "themes", or in the paragraph where it was inserted just now but written more like "Some commentators have noted[1][2][3] parallels between this character and the biblical character of Nimrod, and pointed out that Dormin's name is Nimrod's spelled backwards). That way we're attributing to some other source so it doesn't look like OR by a Wikipedia editor. rʨanaɢ (talk) 01:33, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Forensic Linguistics

Hello Rjanag. You made this edit recently: [13]. I agree. There are multiple issues that are needing to deal with. I will start a discussion section on the talkpage. Your input is welcome. Lam Kin Keung (talk) 03:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsensical sentence on Chinese classifiers

"There is no one-to-one pairing between count-classifiers and nouns." I called this nonsensical for short. Perhaps it would have been clearer if I had called it "trivially and non-informatively true and not saying what it intends to say". If there was a one-to-one pairing, there would as many different classifiers as there are nouns, which would be crazy. It's probably not what the person who wrote that meant. They meant that sometimes there are several classifiers for one word, not just one, so perhaps they should have said: "There is no one-to-many pairing, there is a many-to-many pairing." But that's excessively pseudo-mathematical. Anyway, the point is made sufficiently clearly in the text that follows, so I felt the sentence did not need to be improved, just removed.

And: why did you revert? WP:AGF, no? --Kai Carver 09:51, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

To answer your second question first: WP:BRD. Clearly you don't understand WP:AGF, if you think that making an edit in good faith means it can never be reverted.

As for your content-related argument, I see your point now and there is some logic to it. Nevertheless, I am of the opinion that that paragraph needs a sort of "introduction" to the point it is making before it gets into the specific examples. (The "across dialects and across speakers" point is one example of where variability comes from, it's not the main point of the entire paragraph.) Thus, the sentence needs to be revised rather than removed. Something along the lines of "It is not the case that every noun is only used with a single classifier."

In any case, per WP:BRD linked above, please do not revert until we reach an agreement on the new wording here. rʨanaɢ (talk) 15:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your instructions. I agree some kind of introductory phrase would be better than nothing. But nothing is better than the silly phrase you reinstated. However, I don't care to "achieve consensus" with you, so I'll let you do as you see fit. You're the one who has been doing the reverting here, and assuming each time that I would do the wrong thing. --Kai Carver (talk) 19:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Again you didn't read WP:BRD; the reason I reverted was because you didn't clearly explain the reason for your edit. There's nothing wrong with reverting once in such a case and then engaging in discussion.

Since you seem to agree that the rewording I suggested is acceptable, I will make that edit now. No response here is needed. rʨanaɢ (talk) 20:01, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree with your change, but I think your manner of communicating is unfriendly. I did read the article you mentioned (how would you know whether I did or not?), and while I am no expert, I understood it to say that BRD is useful in case of a blockage and where other more normal methods have failed. This was not such a case. --Kai Carver (talk) 20:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Walk the Moon page

Hey, you just deleted the page Walk the Moon that I'm working on for not having any significance. I put the code on top that says I was working on the page. I totally understand your concern fro deleting it and I was working to make sure the page fit all of Wiki's guidelines. I did my research to write a band page, I'm not just doing this on a whim. Please let the page be complete before you decide whether to delete it or not. Thank you.

Kgcarlso91 (talk) 20:31, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The page has already been created and deleted before, and as far as I can tell what you wrote this time was not very different from the version deleted in the past. (The version deleted before was just copy-pasted from Walk the Moon's website.) You didn't include any sources to indicate why the band is notable and how it meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria for musicians and bands. (Please review all three of the pages I just linked to, which contain the guidelines most relevant for this article.) For what it's worth, I know a few members of this band personally, and I myself have considered adding an article (which is why I patrol that page), but last time I checked they did not meet the inclusion criteria.

If you don't have time to add sources as necessary right now, and would prefer to work on the article at your leisure without worrying about it being deleted, just write it at User:Kgcarlso91/Walk the Moon, and when you feel it's ready to be added to the main article space without being deleted use the "move" tab at the top of that page. rʨanaɢ (talk) 21:17, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the in-depth explanation. I will move it a userpage so I can work on it at my pace. One more question though, how do they not meet the inclusion criteria if they are managed by same manager as John Mayer, have write ups in Spin Magazine, and are going to the studio with an extremely prominent producer?

Kgcarlso91 (talk) 21:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, once the page is complete, would you mind doing it a once over and give me any tips to make it better (since you have a personal interest and all) ?

Kgcarlso91 (talk) 21:47, 23 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]