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Why is my article not notable enough

My article war reviewed as not notable enough?

My article (wikipedia.org/wiki/draft:JackSucksAtLife) was denied because it wasnt notable, however youtubers with 250k subs have been considered notable? Welikepizza33 (talk) 00:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welikepizza33 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. YouTube subscriber numbers are not relevant towards establishing notability. A person can have 5 billion followers and not be notable, and can have 5 followers and be notable. Viewership/subscriber numbers are easily gamed(it is not hard to register more than one account, or watch a video more than once). What matters is if the subject receives significant coverage in independent reliable sources showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. You offered no independent sources at all. This person needs to be written about in the news or other similar sources in order to merit an article on Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 00:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

The subject himself seems to have offered up an apology [1] for (inadvertently) inciting his subscribers to vandalize Wikipedia. He even recognizes that he doesn't meet WP:BIO or WP:NYOUTUBE. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Making a table more presentable

Dear fellow Wikipedians, In response to my queries about creating a table, I got the procedure to create a simple table. Now my queries are for making it more professional... 1) In a sortable table containing "Total", how to keep the last row out of the purview of sorting ? 2) Regarding alignment... putting the code "align= center" for each cell. Is there any other way ? 3) How to format the numbers, so that the numbers are sorted properly..... Thanks in advance.. Cheers

Anupam Dutta (talk) 06:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Anupamdutta73. You can add data-sort-type="number" | in column headers for number columns, and class="sortbottom" in rows which should always sort at the bottom. I did that in [2]. See more at Help:Sorting. You can center every cell in a table with style="text-align: center;" in the table start like at Help:Table#Cells spanning multiple rows or columns. But then you have to add other alignment to every cell which shouldn't be centered. There is no command to align every cell in a column. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Badges earned

Hi fellow Wikipedians, Where can I view the badges I earned? Also how can I put them in my user page ? Thanks in advance Anupam Dutta (talk) 07:06, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

If you'd been awarded anything that might be called a badge, then it, or notification of it, would appear on your user talk page. I don't see any there, so I'd guess that you haven't yet been awarded any. If you'd like to be awarded something or other, you'd better be very careful with your typing, more careful than you were in this edit. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

You can put Userboxes on your User page. See Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries for list. Editors may put Barnstars on your Talk page in recognition of your accomplishments (we do not self-award Barnstars). David notMD (talk) 12:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Anupamdutta73, you can give yourself a service award. It's based purely on your edit count and length of service; it does not reflect the quality of your edits or level of authority. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Membership

May I please know how I may be able to gain membership of Wiki projects?PNSMurthy (talk) 07:49, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

There is no ultimate answer to this, it depends on the WikiProject you want to participate in. In most cases, WikiProjects are open to anyone, but you can ask at its talkpage. 217.68.167.73 (talk) 07:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!PNSMurthy (talk) 08:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Please guide me

Hello , can anyone please guide me , how I can edit better then previous, so that I can be better wikipedian and contribute more. Thanks Bijoyonline30 (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Bijoyonline30! A few things you could do to improve your editing is:

1. Take part in The Wikipedia Adventure. This is a fun guide which teaches you about editing and how to improve.

2. Keep editing! You seem to have a good edit record, which definitely helps. Continuing with your editing will improve your confidence, style, and it will teach you about how to effectively collaborate with other editors - something which is key on Wikipedia.

3. Read about editing. Here are a couple pages that could help you: WP:YFA (on creating articles), WP:MOS (how to write like an encyclopedia) and Help:Intro (a short tutorial on editing).

Hope this helps, Giraffer (munch) 09:08, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Giraffer! , Thank you for helping me. It is really helpful.

Changing of article name

Please, I wanna change the name of this article 2020 SAFF Championship to 2021 SAFF Championship for the tournament has been postponed, is it possible for me to change it or should I just wait for the creator of the article to do so?? Thanks Josedimaria237 (talk) 08:53, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Josedimaria237! Articles shouldn't be moved (renamed) until consensus has been reached at the article's talk page. If you want to rename the article, start a discussion on the talk page and see if people agree. Hope this helps! Giraffer (munch) 08:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Giraffer Thanks so much, I've done so.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 12:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to make my content not promotional

Hi everyone,

I am creating a content for my company in Wikipedia. @Amkgp was very nice to me and suggested me to ask for help in this friendly space. Can anyone help me editing my content please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:KOBIL_Systems

I would really appreciate your help. Thank you Nerilda Meda (talk) 08:58, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, Nerilda Meda! On Wikipedia you are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself. Your best option is probably to request assistance at WP:EAR. For more info on writing about yourself (in this case your company) see WP:YOURSELF. Regards, Giraffer (munch) 09:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Nerilda Meda (ec) Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, if you are editing about your company, you are required by Wikipedia's Terms of Use to read and formally comply with the paid editing policy and declare that status. You should also review conflict of interest. You seem to have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves or what they do. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that summarizes what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article, even within the same field. "Significant coverage" is coverage that goes beyond brief mentions, press releases, announcements of routine business transactions or simple actions taken by a company, staff interviews, or other primary sources. That coverage must be in-depth with the source choosing on their own to write about your company(as in not republishing a press release). It is usually very difficult for people in your position to succeed in writing about their own companies. In order to succeed, you would need to forget everything you know about your company and everything on its website, and only write based on the content of independent sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 09:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree that you must comply with PAID, meaning declaring your paid relationship on your User page. And I agree with the reviewer who declined the submittal that the Founder section should be removed, as the draft is about the company, not about him. Lastly, I restored the Declined template, as that should not have been removed. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Giraffer and @David notMD for your comments and help! The text was written by an external copywriter after providing him all the necessary primary sources, to avoid the subjective writing part. Since the beginning I have added the paid code like was described in a document, do you think I have added wrong? Of course I can skip the founder paragraph if it is problematic. Thank you for your suggests, hopefully I will be able to publish it neutral and in the correct way. Nerilda Meda (talk) 13:35, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I do not see a declaration of PAID on your User page. Once you have done that, an editor will remove the undeclared paid tag from the top of the draft. Removing all that information on the founder is a good step. Removing that may have removed ref "b", so a ref repair is needed. What remains to be seen is whether there are enough independently written published citations about the company to qualify for Wikipedia's concept of notability. Many of the paragraphs have no refs. David notMD (talk) 12:30, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

David, can you please send me that code and I will add it again exactly in the way you will show me, so I know can´t be wrong. That would be really nice from your part. I already removed the founder paragraph. And now I am checking the refs part. Thanks! I really appreciate it. Nerilda Meda (talk) 15:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I put a paid disclosure on your User page and removed the unpaid tag from the draft. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I have no words to thank you David, I really appreciate it. Thank you! Nerilda Meda (talk) 17:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

List of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.

If you can please help me with the list of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hariomtsingh (talk • contribs) 15:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Hariomtsingh: You already asked that at the Reference Desk (which was the right place to seek information if you can't use a web browser to find stuff), so there's really no need to ask here, too. The Teahouse is a place to get help editing Wikipedia, not finding information from it. Good luck in your search. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

For those interested: Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing#List of colleges in the USA with the Master's program for Data Science.. --CiaPan (talk) 14:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Douala Bell Family

I have been asked to add Stephane N'ko Douala Bell to Wikipedia as he is the heir of the Douala Bell family and also a Canadian musician who goes by Sty-Low, however, I am facing issues. I hope I can get help 2607:FEA8:34A0:AF:38AE:E008:8F25:101B (talk) 16:07, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Are you the editor Khrysvic? That editor asked a nearly identical question at the Wikipedia:Help desk [3]. If this is you, please remember to log in before editing, and limit your question to one forum. Thanks. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khrysvic (talk • contribs) 16:54, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Individual editing of sections on my Talk page has been disabled

Oh Great Teahouse folks, forgive me as I have sinned and I can not figure out how to do the proper Wikipedia act of contrition.

Somehow, when I want to edit my Talk page I can not edit an individual section but can only edit the entire page. Somehow I have managed (more like stumbled on to) shut off individual section editing.

How can I fix my talk page so I can edit just one section rather than the entire page? Is there a switch that is set somewhere or is there some magic markup language that needs to be included?

Osomite (talk) 16:17, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Congratulations! You have done all kinds of weird things to your talk page, including arranging for the Table of Contents to appear in the 14th section and tilted at an angle, and arranging for the individual sections not to be editable. It has been that way for at least two months. If you've forgotten how you did it, you could use the page's edit history to step back a month at a time until you find which month you made the critical edit, then narrow it down further until you find exactly how you did it. Maproom (talk) 16:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Maproom Thank you for appreciating the weirdness of my talk page. Yes, the TOC is tilted at an angle. I copied that from a humorous talk page I came across, I added it because it amuses me every time I see it. There needs to be more serendipity in things. I appreciate the approach you suggest to track down my problem. Before asking for help I did start that approach, but using this pretty crummy editor made it difficult and made my head hurt. So to relieve myself of a hurt head, I decided to throw myself on the mercy of the oh great and wise Teahouse wikifolks. Hence, I bared my mess of a talk page to criticism.

Note that the gracious and generous PrimeHunter pointed out my problem was created from some "NO EDIT SECTION" code insert by the Signpost newsletter that shows up automatically, so it doesn't look like it was a problem of my own creation.

Osomite (talk) 22:52, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The tilted TOC was done with the HTML code <div style="-moz-transform:rotate(-4deg);-webkit-transform:rotate(-4deg); transform:rotate(-4deg);">__TOC__ <br> </div>, and i would advise you to remove that, Osomite and let the normal automatic ToC display. I don't see what has disabled section editing, but there is a lot of markup on that page. There are also quite a few things which ideally do not belong on a user talk page but on a user page or on a user sub-page such as my tools page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

DESiegel, I appreciate you looking at my problem. Yes, my Talk page is a collection of wikistuff that I have collected that I have thought would be useful someday, someplace, or just or have for reference and links to entertaining talk pages. The "tilted TOC" is one of those whimsical things that amuse me. Within Wikipedia there really isn't any other logical place to save stuff, the sandbox might be another place, howsoever the Talk page is where it all gets put. It looks like a mess, it is a mess. Is there a better place to keep this wikistuff? You mention a user sub-page, I will look into that to see how that might work.

The gracious and generous PrimeHunter pointed out my problem was created from some "NO EDIT SECTION" code insert by the Signpost newsletter that shows up automatically, so it doesn't look like it was a problem of my own creation.

Osomite (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Osomite: Fixed by [4]. Wikipedia:Signpost/Template:Signpost-snippet was adding __NOEDITSECTION__ at all transclusions before. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, thank you for looking into my problem about not being able to edit individual sections on my talk page and for fixing it. I would have never found the "NO EDIT SECTION" that was causing my problem. Thank you very much. Osomite (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Osomite: Glad to be of help. Old revisions and previews never show section edit links so it would have been hard to figure out without knowing we have a command to remove them. I knew __NOEDITSECTION__ had to be transcluded from somewhere when it wasn't in the source so I copied your talk page to Special:ExpandTemplates to track it down. I was surprised to find three occurrences in the generated wikitext but they had the same origin. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Osomite. The normal purpose of your user talk page is to allow other Wikipedia editors to communicate with you, and to allow you to reply to such messages. Anything that hinders that function is not a good idea. You can have as many user sub-pages (sometimes called userspace pages) as you want, provided that they are all relevant to editing Wikipedia in some way. You can also put drafts in such pages. A user sub-page is simply a page whose name begins with your user name in the user namespace. In your case, any page with a name starting User:Osomite/. You could have such pages as User:Osomite/Stuff, User:Osomite/experiments, or User:Osomite/Links. Drafts can be kept on such pages as User:Osomite/Topic1 and User:Osomite/Topic2. Your sandbox is also a user sub-page. I personally keep a table of links and bits of wiki-code, mostly template calls, for copying into articles or pages at User:DESiegel/Tools. I have also modified my interface so that a link to this page appears at the top of every Wikipedia page, next to the standard link to my sandbox, as well as a link to Special:PrefixIndex/User:DESiegel/ which lists all my user sub-pages. You could add such links if you choose to. Such a page or pages would be a better place to stick the kind of thing now on your user talk page, in my opinion. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I see you use User:PrimeHunter/My subpages.js to make the subpages link. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Use of Template in my user page

Dear fellow Wikipedians, Two templates, <<Novice Editor>> and <<User WP West Bengal>> not working in my user page. But the same code working superfine in my Sandabox... Please help..... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 17:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Anupamdutta73, your sandbox is on Wikipedia. But your userpage that you are trying to edit is at meta, a different website altogether. Try creating a local userpage here, and the templates should work fine. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: In other words, the default meaning of a [[Example]] or {{Example}} link when in a page on English Wikipedia (this site) is to link to the page in the main (article) namespace named Example or transclude the page Template:Example, respectively. Similarly, on a page on meta, they link to meta:Example and transclude the page meta:Template:Example, which could be entirely different. While you can wikilink to another wiki, transcluding a template from another wiki does not seem to be supported (i.e., {{:meta:Example}} doesn't work), somewhat understandably, as templates tend to use some of the more in-depth features of the wiki software. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:33, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I see you have now created a local user page User:Anupamdutta73. meta:User:Anupamdutta73 is your Wikipedia:Global user page. It is automatically displayed as user page at all wikis at Special:CentralAuth/Anupamdutta73 where you haven't created a local user page. The global user page can only use templates at meta and is still displayed at many wikis so you may want to remove the missing templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Removal of multiple Issues

Ronald Hugh Barker

I was pleased and surprised to receive a B rating for my first article. It only took a day or so to be accepted. I'm very impressed with the response. A big thank you to all the editors that have looked at it and made edits to clean it up to acceptable standards, I am most grateful. I thought the article was neutral and met the required WP:MOS standards but apparently it hasn't.

• Q1) Does the article continue through a process of checking by editors who then when satisfied remove the ! or does the author do this?
• Q2) R H Barker has been categorised as an Irish scientist. Although born in Ireland both parents were English and he lived and worked in England for all his adult life. Would be acceptable to categorised under English Scientists as well as Irish?
• Q3) How do I add an info box? Is this where a summary is given under and within the top photo? Windswept (talk) 18:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Barkercoder and thanks for your work on the article.

1. A maintenance tag, such as {{Copy edit}} is the opinion of one editor that the article has an issue that should be addressed. Any good-faith editor may fix the issue, or review the article and conclude that the issue does not apply, and remove the tag. If there is any question, or the editor is comparatively inexperienced, it is often better to start a discussion on the article talk page (in this case Talk:Ronald Hugh Barker) before removing a tag, particularly on rt=the grounds that no changes were needed. One can ping the editor who added to tag to join such a discussion.
2. Categorization is often a judgement call, particularly in the complex matter of nationalities of people from the British Isles. This could also be discussed on the article talk page, or one could just boldly add the additional category. There is no rule against doing so.
3. See {{infobox person}}, {{Infobox scientist}}, and Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Infoboxes for possible infobox templates and how to use them. Note that an infobox is never required. Many articles use them, and many editors like them. Each has its particular parameters and usage, which must be followed if using that box.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Barkercoder. I recommend that you read about the neutral point of view and remove all non-neutral language like the words "gifted" and "committed" and "erratic" and "excelled" and "keen", all of which I found in the lead section. Please see Template:Infobox scientist for the coding that you can use for an infobox. I think that the English scientist category is fine. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I quite agree with Cullen328 here. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Congrats for getting this accepted. Need work, including some of the refs that are just URLs, and sections of text that have no references, and removing all of the subjectivity mentioned already. You can continue to work to improve it, and some other editor can decide when the tags are no longer warranted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 18:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

permalinks

I know how to do peramlinks. I want to show the instructions for creating a permalink to a new editor. I could not find it in the documentation. Does anyone know where it is? --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC) --David Tornheim (talk) 19:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Welcome to Wikipedia. There are some instructions and examples at Help:Permanent_link. Does that help? RudolfRed (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

David Tornheim, Help:Permanent link? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@David Tornheim: Does WP:OLDID give you what you seek for making a permalink? Nick Moyes (talk) 19:48, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. Those will work. I see why I didn't find it. I was searching under WP: rather than HELP:. --David Tornheim (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

additional information

Additional information for inclusion: Rochelle Owens American poet external links 2601:41:4000:D50:19E2:A066:2D97:E00D (talk) 19:01, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question, could you elaborate? CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 19:29, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

We are very smart here, but our mindreading has its limits. I assume this has to do with Rochelle Owens#External links which has three entries there already. If something is missing, be bold!. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:22, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

How to add Van der Meer with brief information From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I am new here and would like to understand how to add a name to the page on the Van Der Meer Last name. Please excuse me and accept my apology if I have not written this the way it should be.The link to the page I need assistance with is below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Meer Onevandermeer (talk) 19:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Onevandermeer, Hello! Does the Van Der Meer you want to add have a WP-article in english or some other language? If not, it's doubtful the name should be added. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

At that list, most of the names are blue, meaning that there is an existing Wikipedia article about that person, but a few are red. These mean that at least one editor thought that this person warranted an article in English, but had not been written yet. The small print in brackets indicates that articles exist in other languages. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Article ready for publication

Hi ! My article, "Alphabetical List of Districts of India" is now ready for publication... Special mention must be for AlanM1 who helped me a lot...Can somebody do the needful... Cheers... Anupam Dutta (talk) 19:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Is that the text now at User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020? Anupamdutta73. Or if it is somewhere else, could you please provide a wiki-link top it? If it is the list linked above, it seems to be entirely unsourced. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:28, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

FYI, User: Anupamdutta73, List of districts in India already exists.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

This looks like it could be a valid fork from List of districts in India, since it's so long. It's too bad that there's not an easy way to put this into an underlying relational database, so it could be updated in once place and then fed to the two articles where this info will sit. Example: the sandbox content above, and List of districts of Andhra Pradesh, for the 13 districts in Andra Pradesh. But that's probably a discussion for the village pump and article talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Dear my fellow Wikipedians, I thank you all sincerely for reviewing my draft.... I am putting forward the following arguments / clarifications for your suggestions.
1. The draft is at User:Anupamdutta73/List Dist India 2020

2. Bolding issue - I have done the corrections. 3. India is a country with 36 divisions (28 States & 8 Union Territories) as of now. They are further divided into 739 districts..., The article List of Districts of India covers the topic quite well, covering State/ Union Territories wise.
My article is placing them together, so can be sorted for rankings. This will be put as a separate article, but linked with the above article. 4. Now there are 2,220 cells with numbers (3 columns for 739 districts + 1 row for summation). Add to this, Sl no. & Dist. Sl. No. - 1,478 columns.... Total columns with numbers come to 3,698.. So I have not formatted them. Similarly, there is no link to anywhere, as I want to keep the table simple.. Waiting for your valuable feedbacks. Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 05:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: Comments moved to sandbox talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Confusion creating new articles

Hi. I created two articles. One was sent to the approval queue saying it may take six weeks to be approved, while a second article immediately got accepted and is now published and viewable. What's the deal?

The articles are:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Gessius_of_Petra

Ahmed Suidani

- Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:18, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Julia Domna Ba'al. The deal is that Wikipedia is staffed by volunteers like yourself, who work on what they choose, when they choose to. --ColinFine (talk) 20:32, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't mind waiting. But one of the article didn't go to any queue. It immediately got published without being approved. I expected a message but it was instantly on wikipedia. So I got confused. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Hello Julia Domna Ba'al! From what I can tell from your edithistory [5], it's because you created the draft as a WP:DRAFT, but the article as an article. You are WP:AUTOCONFIRMED, so you can do that. At some point a WP:REVIEWer will look at the article and judge if it belongs in articlespace. Does that help? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I'll read these links, thanks. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Julia Domna Ba'al, and welcome to teh Teahouse. You chose to create Ahmed Suidani directly in the main article space, with no review by a more experienced editor. Any autoconfirmed user may do that, at the risk that all Wikipedia's content policies apply fully and at once, and the page may be put up for deletion by any of several methods for any of several sorts of reasons. If it isn't, no problem. On the other hand, you chose to create Draft:Gessius of Petra in draft space, and submit it for review under the articles for creation project. This means that an experienced editor will review the draft, and either approve it, or give feedback indicating the problems (rather than simply nominate for deletion) if the draft is not acceptable as an article. The disadvantage is that due to the backlog, it may be several weeks or more before such a review takes place. Reviewers work on whatever drafts they choose, not first-come, first-served, so the wait time is not predictable. Note also that until a member of the New page Patrol reviews Ahmed Suidani, it will not be indexed by Google and other search engines. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:43, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

When an article is created directly, without going through the draft and review process, there is no approval and so no notification o9f approval. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 20:47, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you. Next time I will use the draft and wait since the articles aren't time sensitive. Julia Domna Ba'al (talk) 20:46, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Julia Domna Ba'al: Two comments: Though it is not indexed by external search engines, like all pages, it is searchable by Wikipedia's search. Also, I believe you do receive a notification when an article you create is "patrolled", though I think it's just that – there's no feedback about any issues that are part of the notification process – you may have to watchlist the article/talk page for changes (which normally happens anyway for articles you edit) in order to comments, templates, changes, etc., if the other editors don't choose to ping you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Finding (and adding) copyright of municipal flag

I got very lost down the Wikipedia rabbithole and ended up editing the page for Janesville, Wisconsin. The flag initially on the page was extremely small, so I uploaded the better quality version from the city's website. I didn't know what the copyright was but had assumed that it was alright, seeing as there was an image of the flag before. Now I've gotten a message to add the copyright but I've got no idea how to find or input it. I also have the suspicion that I didn't upload the flag correctly. Any guidance? Apellosine (talk) 22:10, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Apellosine. I think you made an unfortunate mistake in copying and uploading this image from a website. Basically, never do that unless you are clear on the licencing of that image (Creative Commons for commercial re-use). Had you looked at the original image (File:Flag of Janesville, Wisconsin.gif) you might have noticed the "non-free use" licence statement which stated: "This is a logo of an organization, item, or event, and is protected by copyright. It is believed that the use of low-resolution images on the English-language Wikipedia, hosted on servers in the United States by the non-profit Wikimedia Foundation, of logos for certain uses involving identification and critical commentary may qualify as fair use under the Copyright law of the United States. Any other uses of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. Certain commercial use of this image may also be trademark infringement. (See Wikipedia:Non-free content and Wikipedia:Logos for more information). So, by uploading an image larger than we might legitimately need, you've gone against our rules. But don't worry about it - just let time play out and it will be deleted within the week. A lesson learned is a new skill for next time! Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:27, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Rather than wait for it to be deleted, and leaving a redlink in the article, I put the old flag image back. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:36, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: thanks. I thought their addition had been subsequently reverted, but I see I was mistaken. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Welcome Messages Question

We know that there are a large number of different welcome messages that an editor can provide for a new editor, some of which have to do with editors who have made various problem edits. However, is there a welcome message that can be provided to an editor whose only edits have been to submit a draft that is not in English? Based on the name of the draft and on a few links in the draft, which are places in Albania, I am guessing that the draft is in the Albanian language, which I believe is an Indo-European language that is not closely related to any other Indo-European language. How should I welcome this user? Oh yes. Should I suggest that they might want to edit the Albanian Wikipedia? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:34, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

By the way, the user is Engi99. Does anyone know Albanian? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Template:Welcomeen-sq? -- Hoary (talk) 00:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. Is 'sq' the language code for Albanian language? So would that be 'fr' for French, etc.? Robert McClenon (talk) 00:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes: see ISO 639-1. -- Hoary (talk) 00:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Difference between "Publish Page" "Show Preview" and "Show Changes"

Hi, Im new trying to contribute to Wikipedia, and realizing I have SO MUCH to learn and it's overwhelming. At the bottom of the sandbox are these three options: "Publish Page" "Show Preview" and "Show Changes" (and Cancel)

(which also seem to be the options at the bottom of a real draft not in a userspace sandbox??)

My question is what happens when you choose the different options. I accidently published a draft prematurely just trying to save a draft to continue to work on. I do not want to make that mistake, but would like to learn how to navigate a draft of an article safely instead of in Word on my computer.

If I choose "Show Changes" will that save the changes, yet NOT publish it? Because I know it is not ready and do not want it to get shot down while its in process.

Thank you RacheleWrites (talk) 01:48, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, RacheleWrites and welcome to the Teahouse.

1. The "Publish Page" button simply saves the edit from the edit box to the current page. It does not publish a draft of sandbox to the main encyclopedia. It id the only button that saves any edit. It used tom be called 'Save Edit" (or "save changes" but it was changed to make it clear that any saved edit was publicly visible, as all Wikipedia pages are publicly visible. It causes lots of confusion and i wish i could change it back.
2. "Show Preview" displays what the page or section would look like if "Publish changes" were to be clicked at that moment (with a few exceptions, some constructions do not preview perfectly. (For example named refs defined outside the current section.) It does not save any changes.
3. "Show Changes" displays in Diff format the changes that would be saved if if "Publish changes" were to be clicked at that moment. It helps one keep track of what has and has not been done in the current editing session. It does not save any changes.

I hope that is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@RacheleWrites: In other words, the only way to save a page that you edit on Wikipedia is that Publish button. The general location of a page within the Wikipedia filesystem (the "namespace") determines what kind of page it is. There are three namespaces relevant to this issue: If it is in your personal part of "User" namespace, like User:RacheleWrites/John Smith or User:RacheleWrites/sandbox, while it is accessible to other Wikipedia editors, they will generally leave it alone while you work on it (with the exception of policy problems, like copyright violations).

An article in "Draft" namespace, like Draft:Chief Sielu, may get more attention by other editors, but generally in the form of either minor tweaks for style issues or comments on the talk page. Neither User nor Draft articles are part of the encyclopedia proper for use by general readers, and should not appear in external search engines or forks/mirrors (though it does happen – nothing we can do about that).

Lastly, there is the "article space" or "mainspace", which is the encyclopedia proper, and consists of the pages with no "Namespace:" prefix, like Sweatpants or Michael Douglas, which are collaboratively edited and closely monitored by bots and editors, and expected to be articles suitable for the encyclopedia readers at large, copying by forks, etc. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

When will my page be published?

Hi! I'm new to Wiki so I'm sorry if my question is straightforward or obvious. I created a page for a poet named Simon Pettet (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Annasordjan?action=edit) but I don't know how to check when it will be live or if I need to change anything. Annasordjan (talk) 03:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Usually a day or so. Sometimes less. In my experience, it has taken a few hours.PNSMurthy (talk) 03:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Annasordjan was a userspace draft. I have therefore moved it to User:Annasordjan/Simon Pettet a more appropriate place for a user space draft.

Your user page, User:Annasordjan should be for a description of yourself as a Wikipedia editor. It may contain to-do lists, lists of articles or pages worekd on or created, achievements, useful links, brief biographical detail about yourself (but not an autobiography), quotes, freely licensed images, views on Wikipedia policy, and/or other relevant content. Or you may leave it blank. see our guideline on user pages.

There is, in my view, still work to be done on User:Annasordjan/Simon Pettet. Wikipedia only has articels on notable people and topics. See our guideline for the notability of authors. Normally there must be multiple independent published reliabel sources, each of which discusses the topic is some detail. See also Wikipedia's golden rule and Your First Article. Referencing for Beginneers is also helpful.

Articles must also be neutral. They should not make any judgements or express any opinions, positive or negative. They may, however, report opinion made by others in cited sources.

Make sure that each source cited is reliable. Most blogs are not reliable, for example. Then use the sources. It is not enoguh to cite a review --quote from it to show the critical reaction, positive or negative.

When you think you are ready, click the blue button to submit your draft for review.

I hope this advice is helpful. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I fear that i must disagree with PNSMurthy's comments above, Annasordjan. The page will not be published as an article until after you click the blue "Submit" button, and then the review may take anywhere from a day to 6-8 weeks or more. Then there may well be changes needed and a re-review. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:57, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Annasordjan. Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Unfortunately, you have done what many new editors do, and launched straight into possibly the most difficult task in editing Wikipedia: I liken creating a new article to playing a piano concerto: you can make a stab at it after your first piano lesson, but you are likely to have much disappoinment and frustration unless you put in the time learning the instrument first. I recommend spending a few weeks or months improving existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works. The problem - as with almost all new editors who try - is that you didn't start by finding independent sources. It's not what you know about him, or what he has said, done, or published, that go into the article: it's what people who aren't his friends or associates have published about him that matters, and that should form the basis of almost the whole article. None of your current references is independent in that way - though actually, some of the reviews and essays might be. --ColinFine (talk) 12:29, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Reliable source

What counts as a reliable source? I am trying to add information to a living persons page about a podcast they host and my changes keep getting removed because I haven’t cited a reliable source. I tried a primary source (the apple podcasts page for the show) and got deleted. What sort of source do I need to use? Lauragrossman (talk) 04:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Lauragrossman, Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for asking the question. Reliable sources are the references that are reliable in nature, independent, non-biased and are published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. Please visit the following link WP:RELIABLE to know more. To get more clarity please go through reliable source examples. Happy editing. ~ Amkgp 💬 05:43, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's so much a question of reliability, Lauragrossman, as independence. Apple is a PRIMARY source, which can only be used in limited ways. Also, articles should not use evaluative words like "success" unless they are directly quoting an independent reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 12:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

not wated

some one is useing messenger under ny faebook page and sending messages to my friend list its my facebook picture but not me sending the messages how do I stop this? Mwofb (talk) 05:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mwofb. The Teahouse is for questions and answers and discussions about editing Wikipedia. We cannot answer questions about using Facebook or other social media platforms. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mwofb: You need to contact Facebook's support people. The most obvious answer, if they're really using your account, is to change your Facebook account password (to one that is not so easily guessed). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Sending a WikiLove

I want to send a WikiLove to a user. Can I directly post a Barnstar/message on his/her talk-page, or is it preferable to go through that "Heart" icon?? I am getting trouble to adjust image pixel though that "Heart" icon, that's why I am thinking to post a direct message to the talk-page. बृहस्पति (talk) 05:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

बृहस्पति, Both are allowed and acceptable. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 05:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Requesting an article process

Hello everyone!

I'm looking for someone to write an article for the company I work for, Wejo, who partner with automotive manufacturers to organise and enhance streams of authentic connected vehicle data unlocking its value for drivers, public and private sector organisations.

I'm unable to write the article myself due to conflict of interest, but I have submitted a request with a description and included multiple independent, reliable sources. Here is the link:

Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Vehicle/automotive_technology

I've also posted a request on the talk pages of WikiProjects related to the topic (Automotive, Technology and Transport).

Firstly, I wanted to check if I have followed the process correctly? Also, is someone able to provide me with an idea of how long this process can take please?

Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. Wejoltd. (talk) 08:34, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wejoltd.: Two problems here:

• Your username is that of a company. Wikipedia doesnt allow company usernames, usernames assigned to a role ("CEO at SomeCompany") or usernames otherwise indicating that they are shared by multiple people
• Since you work for the company, you have to do the more strict Paid Contribution disclosure, a Terms of Use requirement (section 4). 217.68.167.73 (talk) 08:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

From what it sounds like he isn't editing the article on his company, that's why he requested it and didn't make it himself so he doesn't need to disclose paid editing so long as he isn't editing the article. Giraffer (munch) 08:51, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but requesting an article be written rarely works. Wejoltd (wejo Ltd) has a better chance of getting an article about Wejo if either abandons or changes current User name, declares PAID on User page, and works to create an article through Articles for Creation. However, a quick search found no potential references about this 2013-founded company, so this may be a case of 'too soon' or 'never'. David notMD (talk) 09:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I've submitted a change of username request having realised my mistake, which I am waiting to be actioned. I have included 9 references as part of my request Wikipedia:Requested_articles/Applied_arts_and_sciences#Vehicle/automotive_technology - are these the type of references required? They are from independent and reliable sources, so I thought these were acceptable. If this isn't the case, can you provide some examples of what is required please? When you say we have 'a better chance of getting an article about Wejo if...declares PAID on User page, and works to create an article through Articles for Creation' who would I work with in order to create the article through Articles for Creation? I'm happy to explore paid options, but unsure of how I enlist someone to do this. Wejoltd. (talk) 09:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What I meant is that YOU are the paid person, and once you have a new User name, will need to declare this on your User page. Help:Your first article explains how to use the Article Wizard to create and submit to AfC. David notMD (talk) 13:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Wejoltd. It looks to me as if the first reference might be usable. All of the rest are either just passing mentions or based on press releases. The thing to remember is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article says about themselves. The requirement is that several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish material about the subject, without including material that comes from the subject; and that between them they have said enough to form the basis of a reasonable article. I strongly suspect that it is WP:TOOSOON for Wejo.

As for getting somebody to work with you: I advise you very strongly against paying anybody. Paid editors are tolerated here, but many editors dislike the practice. Personally I make a distinction between somebody like yourself that wants to have an article about their company, and somebody who is writing Wikipedia articles for pay. I will help the former (though I often try to help by dissuading them!) I am unwilling to spend any unpaid time helping the latter - and if they claim to guarantee that they can get an article up, they are lying or uninformed. Otherwise, you need to enlist a volunteer - which means you have to find somebody interested enough to take it on: presenting the best three references in your Requested Article with more than just a link or a URL, but with title, date, and who published it, may make that more attractive to somebody. Your best bet is probably to find an appropriate WikiProject, and ask for a collaborator there.

You should also be aware that if an article on Wejo is written and accepted, it will not belong to you, you will not control the contents, and your role in maintaining it will be limited to suggesting changes on the article's talk page. See WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 13:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Again, your working for wejo does not preclude you creating an article. SeeUser:Nerilda Meda for an example of how to declare paid. You can click on Edit at the top of that page, copy the content, paste it to your (new) User page, change the company name to your company name, then click on Publish changes at the bottom. In answer to one of your original question, once you have created a draft and submitted it to AfC, typically days to weeks before it is reviewed, but can be months (there is a huge backlog, and it is not a queue). David notMD (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wejoltd.: The thing is, though, it's hard to write a new Wikipedia article from scratch, especially on a platform with which you are not familiar, complying with the Manual of Style, making sure it is not promotional in tone or intent (phrases like organise and enhance streams of authentic connected vehicle data unlocking its value for drivers, public and private sector organisations are pretty clearly marketing-speak), citing sources properly, finding those reliable and independent sources, etc. This is intentional, again because of WP:NOTPROMO – it's just not what Wikipedia is about. It's much better if one of our thousands of experienced editors and article authors someday reads a magazine or newspaper article about a company or its products, says to themself "I've been hearing a lot about these guys", sees there is no Wikipedia article for it, and decides to invest the time and energy to produce one, free of COI entanglements and bias. That's the ideal. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:45, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

guideline

Hi I am totally new to wikipedia. Kindly provide me with a link saying how to start and what to do.

Bests Saeed Philsouphian (talk) 09:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Saeed Philsouphian and welcome to the Teahouse - I will post you some links where you can start on your talk page. Enjoy. CommanderWaterford (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Wondering if anyone can help make this removed article compliant please?

Hi there and thanks for reading my post. An article about me (Shed Simove) was recently deleted after being up for many years. Would someone be able to help me get it reinstated so that it wholly complies with Wikepdia's policies please? Thank you in advance. IdeasMan123 (talk) 09:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

IdeasMan123 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It was recently deleted as being wholly promotional. Two other versions were deleted many years ago as copyright violations and being unreferenced. In order for there to be an article about you, you would need to be shown with significant coverage in independent reliable sources to meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Note that Wikipedia has no interest in aiding search results for you or in aiding your career; we're just here to write an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you :331dot. Please can you suggest a way to reinstate the article so that it's not deemed promotional? Everything on it was factual. Would it be possible for you or someone else you could point me to, to reinstate the article with any changes necessary please? And I hope I pass the notability test - some of the outside sources are here: https://shedsimove.com/image/tid/10 Thank you for your time and knowledge.

How to add edit counter template

Dear fellow Wikipedians, How do I add the edit counter template in my user page ? Also I am using Chrome Lite in a android phone. Wikipedia says that browser is not recognised. Why is it so ? Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 09:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Anupamdutta73. I am unclear which template you are referring to, so could you post a link to it, please? I wasn't aware that there was an edit counter template, apart from Template:User Edit Count, plus the one you already have on your userpage which shows how long you've been editing here for. You are obviously managing to edit this page OK, so my recommendation would be always to do complicated tasks using WP:Source Editor, as here. Trying to add templates with Visual Editor never seems that simple, to me. Thirdly, make sure you are displaying Wikipedia in 'Desktop' mode and not in 'mobile view'. There is a very small link to switch between the two right at the very bottom of every page. I use a tiny iPhone to edit from, but find mobile view only good for reading pages, and definitely not for editing them. Let us know the 'edit counter' link you are referring to, and do tell us how you get on. Sorry you'v e had to wait so long for a response. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:28, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyes, Thanks for your reply... Firstly I agree mobile is best for reading.. Now about the "Edit Counter", the edit details that are displayed under "User Contributions" , I want to put in my user page.. Cheers... Anupam Dutta (talk) 16:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I haven't used it, but User:UBX/LiveEditCounter might do what you want. Note that you have to install the "importScript..." line in your User:Anupamdutta73/common.js script. No idea whether it works on mobile. There's something to be said for the fact that most of the userboxes related to edit counts are actually about WP:Editcountitis. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:02, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: P.S.: I found balance by getting my counts from XTools edit counter once a month and manually updating my user page, ignoring it the rest of the time. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I can't see any way (or indeed any reason why ) you could put all your user contributions on your userpage. As suggested above, you could check your edit counts every so often, and then maybe post a Service Award there to indicate your tall ([https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Anupamdutta73 300 edits to date). If, when you've been around Wikipedia a lot longer, you want to get really into the merits of your contributions, see how you do with this lot:

Anupamdutta73 (talk · contribs · logs · block log · page moves · count · edit summaries · non-automated edits · articles created · BLP edits · AfD votes · XfD votes · admin score (beta) · no prior RfA)

-that should give you something to work on! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 20:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Just as an example of presenting edit counts, I have at the top of my user page an "am I online?" section which has edit count manually written at the 10s of thousands level, with a note of the % of deleted edits; I pull this manually (very infrequently) from https://xtools.wmflabs.org/ec/en.wikipedia.org/Ceyockey , the "Basic Information" section - I won't be updating this until I hit 70,000 edits, which will be a while. That link is available at the bottom of your "Contributions page" via a link labeled "Edit count". Regards --04:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Paul Dooley filmography

Paul Dooley is uncredited for his role in the Modern Family episode "Dead On A Rival" that aired in 2020. My source is the IMBD 63.131.219.224 (talk) 13:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

You should go to Talk:Paul Dooley and make your suggestion there. (I was about to add "Don't rush: IMDB isn't reliable and therefore isn't taken seriously within Wikipedia; you'll need to cite a better source." However, I notice that the long lists in that article are completely unsourced, so I'm no sure what advice I could give with a clear conscience and a straight face.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

WP:OSE? We have a lot of uncited junk that should be cited or slashed. OP: It shouldn't be hard to find an entertainment reporter that mentioned it in some newspaper or magazine article if it's significant. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:07, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Unable to submit edit

I’ve Gotten all the way to “Publish” but am stuck in a maddening cycle of having the CAPTCHA reset endlessly, but with no explanation of why. MSW,JP (talk) 14:22, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

MSW,JP, welcome to the Teahouse! could you tell us which article you're trying to edit? It may be protected from editing to prevent vandalism. Thank you! All the best, -- puddleglum^2.0 15:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@MSW,JP: see also Special:Captcha which suggests that issues adding unacceptable links can cause problems. You've clearly managed to post here, so that's a start! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@MSW,JP: Make sure you've disabled any sort of script/ad-blocker – they can interfere with captchas. Are you sure there are no error messages on the page that you're missing (like an edit filter message about links mentioned above)? Also, if your work is significant, copy and paste it into a local file on your computer so you don't lose it while you search for a solution. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:11, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

In my experience (but I seem to be unlucky with this kind of thing) the Captcha can re-present itself endlessly, even when you have given the correct answer. You shouldn't assume, just because the Captcha sets another puzzle, that you got the previous one wrong. Maproom (talk) 17:42, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Don't take this the wrong way, because it's exactly what I did a couple of times early on, when overtired: when you've entered your typed copy of the Captcha puzzle, do NOT click the "Refresh" button next to it! Instead scroll down to the "Publish changes" button and click that. The "Refresh" is only a request for a different Captcha puzzle if you can't read the one presented.

If you weren't making this mistake, my apologies. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.56.20 (talk) 07:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, 87 a.k.a. 2. That's probably the same mistake I have made several times. Maproom (talk) 22:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I’m trying to edit Susan Lisa Rosenberg. Thx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MSW,JP (talk • contribs) 02:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding sources

Should i add sources of certain chemical. Please see the the talk page of: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:5-MeO-DMT#Adding_sources Machinexa (talk) 16:08, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Machinexa: Please use wikilinks (e.g. [[Pagename]]), not external links (https://something), when linking to wiki pages. Your post is at Talk:5-MeO-DMT#Adding sources. You might reach a more focused audience if you post links to that talk page post at the relevant WikiProjects. Add something like

Please see [[Talk:5-MeO-DMT#Adding sources]] regarding adding of sources for that substance. ~~~~

to WT:PHARM and WT:Chemicals. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 17:23, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

adding a new dimension to existing page

How to submit list of previous editors of the Iowa State Daily (1880-2020) on the Iowa State Daily's Wikipedia entry? I am a retired college professor (Journalism) and, for the record, I wanted to create a list of all editors-in-chief of the student paper. Also provide some additional factual information. The whole project runs 17 pages... (I was inspired to submit after looking at how Northwestern University's school newspaper did the same thing. I am submitting my work product to the Iowa State University for its archives, but Wikipedia is more visible. JTEmmerson (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC) JTEmmerson (talk) 16:49, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@JTEmmerson: 17 pages sounds like an unsuitable level of detail for a Wikipedia article. I'd suggest discussing it at the talk page of the article, Talk:Iowa State Daily and/or WT:JOURN.

The Daily Northwestern does not have a lit of past editors-in-chief. What it has is a list of people who were student staffers at the paper and later in life had achievements that warranted Wikipedia articles about them (hence their names are in blue). What the Iowa State Daily does need is references, as most of the content is without references. David notMD (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Currently doing a GA review but the nominator is suffering with personal circumstances

I'm currently doing a GA review on the article Plumb (Field Music album), but the nominee has told me on the review page that they are currently experiencing "personal circumstances" so they have found it hard to find time to edit. What should I do here? Thanks in advance, User:Thatoneweirdwikier | Conversations and Contributions 17:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey @User:Thatoneweirdwikier! Looking at the review, I would say wait a couple more days as they said they would get to it soon. If there are still no improvements made, you could fail the article with a note saying that the nom is still free to work on it and it's nothing personal. They could then renominate it when all your points have been addressed. Ghinga7 (talk) 17:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What is an Edit War?

 2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 (talk) 18:05, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi! An edit war is when editors keep reverting each other. More information can be found here. Is there a reason you ask? Ghinga7 (talk) 18:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

To move the matter from SANDBOX to DRAFT

I moved the content to sandbox to draft for review. How do I come to know, that it has been properly placed in draft. Is there anyway I can check its perfectly placed in DRAFT. Can someone help. Mythili2020 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mythili2020: You have submitted Draft:Ulaganathan Sankar for review. See the message in the yellow box at the bottom, as well as the comment by another editor at the top. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

What is an edit war?

 2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 (talk) 18:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

2601:248:681:25A0:7122:94F6:98B8:E743 Welcome to Teahouse, An edit war occurs when editors who disagree about the content of a page repeatedly override each other's contributions. For more read WP:EDITWAR . Thank you. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 18:13, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@User:TheChunky P.S. Pings don't work on IPs. Ghinga7 (talk) 18:20, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Correct, Ghinga7, but talkbacks do, and I sent one. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:24, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Oh. Didn't see that. Sorry. Ghinga7 (talk) 18:26, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, unregistered editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. It is when one editor makes a change, another undoes it, the first editor makes the change again, and they go back and forth. It can also involve more than two editors. See this page for details. It is pretty much always a bad idea, even for the editor who is in some sense "right" about what the content should be. It is better to follow bold, revert, discuss and start a discussion on the article talk page without making further reverts. Failing that, call the attention of an uninvolved experienced editor or admin or report at the edit warring noticeboard. There is a specific rule against making more than 3 reverts on the same page in a single day, but any edit warring is bad. Reverting clear vandalism is not edit warring, but if there is any question that the other editor is acting in good faith, that exception does not apply. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with deleting

Hello! I added some documented history to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Fitness and a user keeps deleting it. This person has argued in the talk and does not acknowledge any of the verified information, despite the evidence of links and even a legal document. Is there anything that can be done other than undoing his undoing?

Thanks. K Katherine311MH (talk) 18:35, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Katherine311MH: Welcome to Wikipedia. Don't engage in an edit war by continuing to add the deleted edits. If you can't get consensus at the talk page, then follow the guidance at WP:DR RudolfRed (talk) 18:40, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Disagreeing is not harassing. The two of you are verging on an edit war. Both of you have properly moved the discussion to the Talk page, but clearly continue to disagree. RudolfRed recommended the proper next step. David notMD (talk) 18:53, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I have moved on to the next step. Katherine311MH (talk) 19:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

@Katherine311MH: I'll join the discussion as an impartial third party. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:09, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate your time. Katherine311MH (talk) 19:47, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

New question

How can I have my page republished

hello

I created a page named 'Daniel Pomarede', but this page has disappeared after 3 days; I am from the physics community, and I confirm Daniel Pomarede is a real scientist well known in the community of astronomy.

I am ready to change the text but can you help me, either by improving the text yourself, or by telling me what I must remove or change in the text. Thank you for helping me. Jacques treille (talk) 19:31, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Your attempt at an article has been moved to Draft:Daniel Pomarede to allow you time to improve it before submitting it for review. David notMD (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Do not submit it yet, as given that it has no references, it surely would be Declined. Also, do not remove tags (it was tagged advertisement-like). If you can achieve proper tone and content, that decision will be up to another editor. David notMD (talk) 19:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

It may be useful for you to read the guidelines described in WP:COISELF. Aldebarium (talk) 19:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jacques treille. For a new editor to try to create an article as the first thing they do is like trying to play a piano concerto after your first music lesson. If you haven't already read Your first article, please do so. --ColinFine (talk) 22:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Understood you are not creating an article about yourself, but rather someone you know professionally. You should state as much on your User page - in effect declaring a conflict of interest. Going forward, avoid writing what you know personally, as all content needs to rest on published sources. David notMD (talk) 22:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a Dispute, where to go?

There is a dispute and it seems all the recourses I am aware of, don't help. The dispute was at the ANI where an editor was blocked after the discussion, then at the blocking Sysops talk page, and at the DRN, and all instances, at least as for now, refuse to make any comment to the content of the dispute. EdJohnston made one for edit warring, but without checking the content of the dispute. The content is still disputed as the article includes a quote that the Kurds should have returned Tell Abyad to the Raqqa Governorate at the time ruled by ISIS, then that they renamed Tell Abyad to Gire Spi instead of just also allowing other languages instead of only the arabic name and also that they imposed a Latin script name instead of one an Arabic script. Latin script is present all over Syria. The editor reverts me if I remove such a phrase and the DRN refuses to comment for 6 days. Where else should I go? The dispute was and is really vivid. Thanks for the help.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC) Paradise Chronicle (talk) 21:04, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, if all options are exhausted regarding admins, ArbCom. See Wikipedia:Dispute resolution requests/ArbCom. Ed6767 talk! 00:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Doug Weller mentioned the ArbCom is not an appropriate idea for the moment

Paradise Chronicle, please be aware that being correct in a content dispute is not a defense against a block for edit warring. There are many alternatives to edit warring and that behavior is prohibited on Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328 Yeah I know, but the other editor constantly reverts and doesn't get sanctioned. The reverting editor also doesn't provide compelling arguments, and often only reverts. I in change have explained my changes at the talk page thoroughly. An other editor, too. The reverting editor hasn't though and doesn't at the moment as well. Still he comes through with his edit war. The editor defends that Tell Abyad was detached unilaterally by the "Kurds" from the Syrian Raqqa Governorate which at the time (2015) was governed by ISIS. Raqqa was captured only in October 2017 from ISIS. Also that the Kurds imposed Latin script which arabs aren't familiar with is a hoax as Latin script is present all over the traffic signs in Syria. I provided sources for this, still he gets right by edit war. Heoesnt bring up arguments, only edit war. Since the 22 June he hasn't provided any useful arguments to the talk page. The last sourced "argument" of the editor was a private twitter account. I have answered to this with 3 sourced arguments on the 23 June. No reply to this, only edit war.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 19:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Paradise Chronicle, the proper place to discuss the content dispute is Talk:Tell Abyad and you should use dispute resolution if you cannot agree. We certainly cannot resolve the content dispute here at the Teahouse. Follow the correct procedures, please. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The Tell Abyad discussion at the DRN was opened by Volunteer. As to me, the matter for why I came here is solved. I wanted that the dispute gets viewed, and now the dispute is getting viewed. Thanks for the advice, and sorry for the insistence.Paradise Chronicle (talk) 20:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

how to make public my hopeful Wikipedia page

Greetings! :) I am new, and probably being totally silly with not knowing, but I have written an article on my User page (I think), I want it to be published for the public to see, but I don't know how? as in the next process? :) I dont know if i have used the wrong bit to write it? any help will be amazing! :) THANKS }} FairlyPuzzled (talk) 22:16, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:FairlyPuzzled, and welcome to Wikipedia. To answer your question: You're not silly, I still don't know some things, so don't feel bad. I do see the article on your Userpage. This is not the correct place for new article tests; You would probably waant to put it in your sandbox (a copy is already there, so great!) or Draft:(insert name of article). Then, you could have someone review it through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process. However, before you do that, I would suggest you add more Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Then it would probably be ready. Hope this helps! Ghinga7 (talk) 22:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, FairlyPuzzled: Welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is a huge beast, and editing it is different from almost any other task you may have met, so don't worry about not understanding it all. I have put a welcome message with some useful resources on your user talk page.

I'm afraid that the task you have undertaken - creating a new article - is one of the most difficult tasks in editing Wikipedia: I liken it to playing a piano concerto, and for a new editor to try it is like playing one after your first music lesson. My suggestion is that you put that project on hold for a while (nobody will touch your draft for at least six months, so you can come back to it later) and get some experience of how Wikipedia works first. We have six million articles, many thousands of which are in desperate need of some TLC. The Community portal has some suggestions of what needs doing. Then when you want to return to your new article, read Help:Your first article.

Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 07:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to unprotect an article?

 DarkerDai (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:DarkerDai and welcome to Wikipedia. Non-admin users can't unprotect pages; however, you can ask for page unprotection here. Alternatively, you can make an edit request on the article's talk page. Which page, in particular, do you want unprotected? Ghinga7 (talk) 00:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm just trying to correct a name but I'm not sure on Wikipedia's policy regarding non-English names.

If an article is protected, you may make an edit request on the article talk page, that an editor with access to the article can review. 331dot (talk) 00:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

User level to create articles without approval

Hi! I'm sure there is a tutorial about this, but I can't find it. I want to know how can I create articles without the pending approval, i.e. what can I do to improve my user level in order to reach this. How many edits do I have to do in order to reach it? Many thanks!--Ocatarinetabelachitchix (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Ocatarinetabelachitchix (talk) 00:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Ocatarinetabelachitchix, Welcome to Teahouse, the feature which allows you write articles without approval is Autopatrolled (click to read more). There is no fixed limit or goal that you have to create this much articles. But as a suggestion you can make at least 25-30 good articles through submission process. And those articles should be well styled, grammatically correct, highly notable and there should be no mistake by which reviewer will reject your any of the articles. Also do some copyedit edit to other articles. It means you have to be experienced user. After that you can apply for Autopatrolled rights through this link. But keep in mind 25-30 articles is not target for this right. That is just suggestion. Admims provide this right after watching over all performance of the users. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 01:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• • Autopatrolled status allows you to create articles directly into mainspace without any review. It's not easy to obtain. You can stop going through AfC anytime after you are AUTOCONFIRMED. That being said, it isn't a good idea to create an article in mainspace. It should still be drafted in draftspace and moved to mainspace only after you are certain it passes the notability guidelines. John from Idegon (talk) 01:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ocatarinetabelachitchix, the suggestion given by John from Idegon is also good. After being Autoconfirmed user, you have move your article from Draft to Mainspace. But that will be marked as Not Patrolled or Not reviewed. After that an user at least having Autopatrolled right will review it. After review, the wiki allows search engines to index it. Both suggestions are good for you. Hope you understand. Thank You. — The Chunky urf Al Kashmiri ^{(Speak🗣️ or Write✍️)} 01:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi - I'm one of those autoconfirmed users; I started editing here in 2005. I (almost) never create articles directly in main space. I also don't work in draft space, but rather in personal sandboxes. You can see some of my editing sandboxes as links from User:Ceyockey/sandbox. Regards --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 04:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Ocatarinetabelachitchix et al.: There are 4098 users with the autopatrolled right. Of those, none of the accounts were created in 2020, and 94% were created in 2014 or before:

Year	Count	%
2019	25	0.6%
2018	32	0.8%
2017	60	1.5%
2016	47	1.1%
2015	79	1.9%
< 2015	3855	94.1%
Total	4098	100%

—[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

What can be done to improve Draft:Horace_Edward_Dobbs ?

This article Draft:Horace Edward Dobbs was rejected on notability grounds. I am convinced that the subject is notable, but probably omitted something vital while drafting it. Please I would welcome suggestions that would help in its improvement. There are 40 resources cited in the article, apart from the notes, and some of them are from the BBC (7), New York Times, The Independent, NASA, and other reliable sources. So, definitely, there must be something that I missed, which resulted in it being declined on notability grounds.

For taking out the time to read and respond to this blab from this insignificant earthling, I say thank you, and may it be well with all that domicile in this revolving empyrean orb. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 01:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi @User:EmpyreanOrb! It looks like a lot of the references are to articles written by or on behalf of the subject. I suggest you look at the link the reviewer left you. Ghinga7 (talk) 01:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the suggestion, Ghinga7. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 02:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The thing to remember, Ghinga7, is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in what the subject of an article has said, published, or done: it is only interested in what people unconnected with the subject have published about the subject. Of course, those writings will generally include accounts of what the subject has said and done; but it is with the independent accounts that we are concerned, not with the primary sources --ColinFine (talk) 07:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Did you mean to ping me or the OP, @User:ColinFine? Ghinga7 (talk) 17:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I meant to ping EmpyreanOrb. My apologies. --ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot ColinFine, your suggestion and that of Ghinga7 are quite helpful. I'll rewrite the article using your advice. HTML Serial Killer (talk) 15:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Malfunctioning transclution

Hi guys,

When I attempted to transclude a section of my talk page, and when I did transclude it, nothing came up in the transcluded section. I am not sure why this is happening. Could someone please assist me in figuring this out!

Thanks,

PNSMurthy (talk) 02:01, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again, PNSMurthy I am not sure what you were trying to do, or where. Could you please indicate on what page you tried to transclude a section of your talk page. Normally, one can only trasclude an entire page, not a section, except for any parts inside <noinclude>...</noinclude> tags. Nor is it usually useful to transclude a talk page. Could you please give more details on exactly what you wanted to do, and what you did, and on what page? DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC) @PNSMurthy: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello again too!

Never mind anymore. I worked the section out. It may not have been a malfunction. It is not needed, but I would just like to know if there is any template fro this transclusion, so in the future, I may avoid this malfunction - if it is one. Also - may I know if there is any template for deletion, because the article in question (a guide to deletion) merely explained the use of deletion.

Thanks!

PNSMurthy (talk) 03:32, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: It is still entirely unclear what you were trying to do. Please give more details as DESiegel said. You can for example save your attempt and post a diff to it so we can see what you did wrong. There are many templates for deletion. Please be specific about what you want. If there is a page you want deleted then link the page and say why. There are also many guides to deletion so we don't know which page you saw. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter:You see... I was trying to learn how to transclude, so I just used an already transcluded section as an example. This example had some already placed templates, which mucked my own version of 'copied' transclusion up. I have fixed that now, not to worry!PNSMurthy (talk) 10:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC) As for deletion ... learned how to do that. I just wanted to clean up an incredibly messy user space.PNSMurthy (talk) 10:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

United Macedonian Diaspora article

I have noticed the United Macedonian Diaspora article has been deleted once already and is now pending 2nd nomination for deletion due to apparently not having enough reliable sources. I decided to dig further for sources showing this is a legitimate organization. I made changes to the article and cited numerous books, journals, and reports, including a report by the World Bank, and books/journal publications available on Academia.edu and ProQuest. There seem to be a lot of sources in Greek language books and journals, for which I used Google translate to assist in providing as accurate a translation as possible. This organization is not lacking in reliable sources by any means. All the reliable sources I cited in the article were found in easy Google searches using "United Macedonian Diaspora" academia.edu in the search engine. There are more, which can help confirm their legitimacy.

Did I do a good job in adding reliable sources so that the article is not permanently deleted? Macedonia1913 (talk) 02:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Please be aware that when the notability of a subject is assessed, it's the quality of the sources that matters, not the quantity. Adding references to sources which aren't independent of the subject, or just make passing mention of it, won't help; indeed, it will make it harder for reviewers to find any good sources (if there are any; I didn't find any among the few that I checked). Maproom (talk) 08:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The deletion discussion is taking place at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/United Macedonian Diaspora (2nd nomination). It's up to participants in that discussion to decide whether the topic is notable, and we can't pre-empt the outcome here, Macedonia1913. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:18, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Maproom and Cordless Larry. It seems that some editors are misinterpreting WP:SCHOLARSHIP and reliable sources and just deleting my edits. That is why I came here to ask the editors' opinions. Macedonia1913 (talk) 15:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion

How long does it take for an article to be deleted? - I am cleaning up my user space.PNSMurthy (talk) 04:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@PNSMurthy: Hi, and welcome to the teahouse! If you want to delete pages in your user space, simply copy the code {{db-u1}} and paste it on top of the page that you want to delete. It usually doesn't take very long for an administrator to delete the page. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 04:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I have saved it on my template user page in case it is needed in future!PNSMurthy (talk) 05:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The list of transgender people murdered has been hijacked by transphobic people.

How did we let over 195K in change happen to an article about Transgender people who have been murdered be undone due to "lack of sources" when each listing include at least 2 sources? This is unacceptable. This is a blatant attack on the trans community to erase our struggle. As you can see in the edits, the page has undergone some significant edits during Pride month 2020 targeting transwomen of color. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_killed_for_being_transgender

Review the edits and see that several people have tried to undo the harm caused. Even HRC, GLADD, the United Nations, and several other organizations agree that people removed were wrongfully removed. I will be exposing this to the press tomorrow. Tbrianware (talk) 04:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tbrianware: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. First of all, the 195,000+ removal was done by ClueBot, which is a bot that reverts vandalism and is usually correct. Regarding prior removals: all list entries must be backed up by reliable sources. The motive of the killing must be confirmed by these sources to be because the victim was transgender. If you have any disagreements with the removals, start a discussion at the Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. You can use the {{reply to}} template to notify any involved users that there's a discussion concerning them. Hope this helped clear things up a bit. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:02, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

But how??? This is too complicated when Transpeople are being erased by the hundreds... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 07:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

To clarify, the edit that removed 195,000 bytes from the article didn't remove any sourced content, Tbrianware. It was reverting a previous edit by a now-blocked user, who replaced the entire content with transphobic abuse (the content of this edit is now hidden from non-admins to prevent harm). Content has previously been removed due to sourcing issues, but that's not related to the -195,000 edit, and is being discussed at Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Go through the history. Hundreds of people have been systematically removed during June of this year. Slowly and methodically. This MUST be addressed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tbrianware (talk • contribs) 15:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I acknowledged that: "Content has previously been removed due to sourcing issues". The place to address this is on the article's talk page, not at the Teahouse though. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Tbrianware: In case the link above is not apparent, please discuss at Talk:List of people killed for being transgender. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 20:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Trying to make page title and heading

I'm having trouble creating a page title and publishing this page. Can you help? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:XY04/sandbox XY04 (talk) 06:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@XY04: Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you are not able to change the page title of your article draft from "User:XY04/sandbox" until it is moved into the mainspace. If you need any further help with your article, take a look at Help:Your first article. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 07:09, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@XY04: May I just point out that, in its present form, your draft would have zero chance of getting published here? Please read this page about 'notable' actors to appreciate that a brief mention of someone's participation in one TV series does not mean they automatically deserve a Wikipedia article about them. You will need to find three or four detailed, independent and in-depth reliable sources that talk about her, or which show she has met our other notability criteria in some way. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC) 

XY04, Nick Moyes is quite correct, this draft needs additional sources and detail before it could be accepted as an article, and it will never be accepted unless Romano can be shown to be notable. There is no need to worry about the page title at this stage. However, if it bothers you, the draft could be moved to User:XY04/Tatsumi Romano at any time. Ganbaruby is not correct that such a change cannot be made before a draft is approved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC) @XY04: DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 12:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Factual Vandalism

Hello! I wish to edit the wording of an article given its opinionated writing. I'd like to do it in a manner (using Understrike as a letter format) that exposes the way it was written before as such. Hopefully, in doing so some may also find this laughable. And kind of a distinct form of writing. Would this be ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose Hdez H (talk • contribs) 09:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jose Hdez H Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you are saying that you want to leave inappropriate information in an article but mark it as such, no, you should not do that. If it's not appropriate for the article, it should be discussed on the article talk page and possibly removed if there is a consensus to do so. 331dot (talk) 09:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

At articles, clicking on View history (top menu), and then a date in the chronological list of past edits allows viewers to see prior versions of the article. Any editor can also create a discussion on the Talk page of the article to explain changes. David notMD (talk) 11:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the characterization because of cite problems I noted at Talk:Bili ape#Bad cite. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 21:17, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Online reference to A Glossary of Basketball Terms

I am a retired former basketball referee and consultant who writes blogs on Facebook and trying to attempt to write my life story.Can I refer to/use an online link to the Wikipedia Glossary of Basketball Terms, so non-basketball people can get explanations which basketball people do understand? Candobasketball (talk) 10:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

• You certainly can link to Glossary of basketball terms or any other article, Candobasketball. Wikipedia's licensing is permissive enough that you may even copy-paste the contents of the article on your own blog/website as long as you attribute the work correctly. See Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content for details, but a mention such as definition from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_basketball_terms, CC-BY-SA is sufficient.

While you are here, if you happen to notice mistakes in the glossary, please correct them, we are always happy to have insights from expert editors. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Adding text to Wikipedia

 Andre.Oeltran (talk) 12:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Andre.Oeltran Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Is there any particular text you want to add? If you would like to learn more about using and editing Wikipedia, you may use the new user tutorial(click that link to go there). 331dot (talk) 12:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Discussion on multiple talk pages which reference each other

My goal here is to improve so any specific or general advice would be appreciated. As I'm a fairly new wikipedian I decided that instead of making some changes to the Larry Nassar and related articles I would make a suggestion in the talk pages. This seemed like the best course of action as I hoped somebody could guide me on how best to include this new content. I've only ever really stuck to editing existing content and I've never added content or made moderate changes to articles before. Is this the right thing to do or am I just lacking in confidence? On the talk pages Talk:Larry Nassar, Talk:Athlete A, Talk:USA Gymnastics sex abuse scandal I've made multiple suggestions which reference one another and I was unsure how to avoid duplicating the comments. I couldn't find any guidance on cross-referencing talk page discussion. Is there a better way to do this? Thanks! Jclaxp talk 12:44, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Ability to mark personal thoughts/notes/comments

Is there any way to mark/track changes you want to make or are thinking about making in a private manner? Almost like a drafts? In my head it felt like I was looking for a way to highlight/comment like I would personally when I've printed off something to read and understand like a research paper. I might write "Needs rewording". Sometimes when I'm just reading on Wikipedia I'll see issues I just want to flag even though I don't have time to fix them at that moment or even make progress on how to fix them.

Thanks! Jclaxp talk 12:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Jclaxp Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Every edit to every page on Wikipedia appears in the Recent Changes feed. If you edit, say, your sandbox just to take notes, it is potentially visible to the public if they see it in the changes feed or otherwise know how to find your sandbox- even though that is not very likely. If you want to write something that is completely private, you should do so off-wiki, like in a word processing or note taking program. 331dot (talk) 12:49, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hi, thanks for the response. I have no issue with them being public, but they would be more my own thoughts. So would the sandbox be the way to go then? A note taking program could be helpful but I am only thinking very quickly note that something needs checking for example. I think this would be overkill for me personally. Jclaxp talk 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I use my own Sandbox as a to-do and working-on space, but clean out the stuff I am done with, so that it does not get overlong. Sometimes I will copy a section of an article the there, work on it, then used my revised to replace the section in the article. This allows me to check for referencing errors, spelling, grammar, etc. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

(ec) Jclaxp Yes, you could use your sandbox for that purpose. You could even create a subpage such as User:Jclaxp/Notes if you wanted to keep your sandbox open to write entire drafts. 331dot (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to integrate into the community

Hello. I am sure it is an unusual occurrence to see someone who has been on Wikipedia for 6 years, here. However, I am going to ask a question I should have asked as a new user. In the grand scheme of things, I do not feel integrated into the community. When I look at the pop music sphere of Wikipedia, the editors around the early 2010s seem to have gotten along and been friendly with each other. But I recently realized that despite my big tenure, I have no friends on Wikipedia. There aren't five people on here I can approach to leave some comments at a lousy FAC. So I guess the main question is, as someone only majorly interested in modern pop music, how am I supposed to find likeminded editors and not feel so alone on here? Is the problem my narcissistic approach? What would be advice you would give to me. Or is my dilemma just a real-life problem I am projecting on Wikipedia? Would be glad to see someone else's take on this. Thanks. NØ 12:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: You are not at all narcissistic! I know for a fact that your work here has impacted thousands, creating and meticulously maintaining all those articles about pop muisc. Just look at the amount of GAs you've contributed to! I believe that not just the entire Wikipedia community, but every single incoming Wikipedia reader is appreciative of your time and effort around here. A way that I would try to find other editors to turn to is to find out who's interacting with pages you edit often. Who's popping up on your watchlist all the time? Who's dropping by on your talk page to leave messages? If said editor also edits music related articles (even jazz or rock) often, chances are that they have a pretty good grasp on how to edit pop music articles, and will respond to any questions or concerns you may have. You can also check out WikiProject Music and its many sub-projects and see what's going on around there and help others out; perhaps they'll reciprocate that assistance somewhere down the road! Don't stress out too much about the FAC: a lot of editors are quite busy, and I'm sure someone will come around and give more comments on it. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 14:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I suspect the "pop music sphere" (which I don't know at all) is more full than others with "short-term" editors who don't interact too much with other editors, and also rather fragmented, with most regulars concentrating on a relatively narrow band of articles (unintended pun). Some areas are like that - others not. Is there a pop wikiproject, or set of them? Appearing on the talk there is a way of getting better known. Not archiving your talk page quickly might give a more sociable impression. With your number of FAs, you could comment on more general policy talk pages, deletion pages, or FAC, which would raise your profile among the wider community. Johnbod (talk) 16:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

3rd Party Help Article Deletion

Race-reversed_casting Was reading this article, researched the references and was false with a lot of editorial biased. Not on reference has the word "Race-reversed_casting" in it. How do you get a 3rd party to review? Ecleric (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Ecleric (talk) 13:00, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring. Editors involved have taken it to Talk page. Mention there of consideration of AfD, but not started yet. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Eliminaron mi página y necesito recuperarla

Hola, por favor necesito ayuda, ayer cree la la página de la biografía del Director del Centro de investigación donde trabajo, Sergio Lavandero, destacado científico chileno, pero me la borraron y bloquearon mi usuario. Dicho investigador esta postulando para ganar un reconocido premio nacional y necesita esta página.

Agradecería me pudieran ayudar por favor, a entender en qué me equivoqué y solucionar a la brevedad posible este problema. Periodista ACCDIS SL (talk) 15:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I can't find any evidence that there has ever been an article in English Wikipedia called Sergio Lavandero. I suspect that you are referring to the Spanish Wikipedia: you will need to address your queries there, to es:WP: Café: They are separate projects, with separate rules and administrators. --ColinFine (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Pinging Periodista ACCDIS SL --ColinFine (talk) 16:55, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a new Football Player profile

I would like to add a new Football Player to have a Wikipedia Profile and do not know how to do that. Kimcephas (talk) 15:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kimcephas and welcome to the Teahouse.

Creating new articles from a blank start is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia, perhaps the hardest an inexperienced user is likely to face. I urge you to use the Article Wizard to create a draft under the Articles for Creation project. There, an experienced editor will review your draft once you think it is ready. Only when a reviewer approves will the draft be moved to the main article space. This avoids the situation where a deletion is requested soon after the initial version of an article is posted.

Also, please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your First Article, if you have not already done so. The advice there can be very helpful, in my view. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

What follows are some steps that often lead to success in creating Wikipedia articles:

• First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people, and our guideline on the notability of sports topics. Consider whether your subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
• Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
• Third, If you have any connection or affiliation with the subject, disclose it in accordance with our guideline on Conflict of interest. If you have been or expect to be paid for making edits, or are making them as part of your job, disclose this according to the strict rules of the Paid-contribution disclosure. This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing.
• Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
• Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
• Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
• Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request here or at the help desk and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Note, Kimcephas, that what you will be creating is not a profile as that is usually understood: the footballer in question will not own it, and will not have control over its contents, and it should be based not on what they say or want to say about themselves, but on what people who have no connection with them have chosen to publish about them. --ColinFine (talk) 16:54, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Kimcephas: if you have any problems with creating the page feel free to ask me about it and I will try to lend a hand. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 10:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Citing a reference to a commercial product

Hello. I am currently editing an article about a drama that has been broadcast on TV. I would like to mention that the drama has also been released as a DVD, but the only evidence I have for that is the DVD's product pages in various on-line stores such as Amazon. I am wondering if it would be OK to cite one or more of those product pages as a reference for the DVD? Or would the fact that these are commercial pages - whose goal is to promote the product - rule that out? Thanks in advance. -- Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:12, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mike Marchmont. I haven't found an explicit policy on it, but my thought is that if the only evidence of the existence of something is somebody selling it, then I don't think it belongs in the article. --ColinFine (talk) 17:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Mike Marchmont: I think this is a borderline case. I lean toward excluding, because most users would assume that many shows/movies are also available on DVD. It probably doesn't need to be mentioned in the article. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:22, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: and @ColinFine:, thank you both for your replies. I'll take your good advice and skip the mention of the DVD. It's not really central to the article. -- Mike Marchmont (talk) 07:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Is this invention the solution to Global Warming?

Hello I have invented a new type of wind turbine that you hang instead of mount atop a tower. Data suggests that it is making electric power at a very low cost because you do not need to own the land beneath it or construct a tower. A tower is over 90% of the cost and weight of a wind turbine. The HWT can be put up and taken down quickly, it can be made using alternators and blades made by existing windmill companies. It can be hung up on existing infrastructure so no new land is required to put them anywhere there is wind. We have website https://www.revoltwind.com

I am only the inventor and as such my words should be taken with a grain of salt. I believe it is making electric power at a fraction of the cost of any known technology. I do not wish to make this claim until it has been verified by others. But I know that the design works and survives storm force winds. Power measurements verify that it produces power in amounts predicted. And anyone can own one because in a small size there is no permit required by local building code authorities. The price is so low that it is affordable to almost anyone. Larger sized units are on the drawing board. I believe it can be used to build the world's largest wind turbine because blade length is limited by tower height. Without the need for a tower it could have longer blades. And you can hang a wind turbine much higher than a tower can reach. Beneath a blimp for example. Or on high rise buildings and off cliffs and rock walls. Other hanging designs rely on vertical axis designs. Vertical axis has many issues due to large cantilever loads on blades and half the rotor must spin upwind robbing the downwind side of power.

This is my first time making a post. A friend asked me to look at getting the invention on here. I am a one man company at this point. No sales revenue...yet. I believe the HWT will allow everyone on planet earth to own their own wind powered electric generator in some size. Whether 6 inch blades or 60 ft blades. The economics and convenience are simply too compelling to ignore given the global warming threat and the need for electric power in nations that have no oil. Hanging Wind Turbine (HWT)

Greenbanditninja (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC) Greenbanditninja (talk) 16:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Greenbanditninja. Congratulations on your invention, and I hope it goes well for you. Unfortunately, Wikipedia is completely the wrong place to tell people about it. Wikipedia does not accept original research. Only when your invention has got to the stage where several people unconnected with you, and unprompted by information directly from you, have chosen to write about it at some length in places with a reputation for editorial control and fact-checking, will it meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. Perhaps Alternative outlets may suggest some places to announce it. --ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to upload a photo in draft

 2409:4073:2E97:C19E:77F7:FE00:942:978F (talk) 16:39, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. If this is about Draft:Dev Mohan, I suggest you don't worry about photos until you've got the basics handled: enough reliably published independent sources to establish notabililty. Until you do that, then any work you do on it is liable to be wasted. If it's not about that, please tell us which draft you're talking about. --ColinFine (talk) 17:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

The article will likely not be approved because it's WP:TOOSOON. It's his first film, and it comes out tomorrow. He doesn't meet the criteria of WP:NACTOR. The other footnoted sources briefly mention his background before this film, but you're better off just adding some simple info about him to the film's article, in a "cast" section, and waiting to see if he has other roles. Save the text! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:56, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

New Wikipedia page

Hello Teahouse!

I have found myself contributing to a number of pages dedicated to cars. I have amassed quite a lot of information on a car designer but found there isn't a page for him. How easy is it to create a Wikipedia page listing information about his life and his work? Adding this information to every car he designed seems a bit long and unnecessary.

Many thanks, HMS HMSConqueror (talk) 16:58, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@HMSConqueror: Thanks for your interest in adding information. You might want to check out WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE. It’s very hard to write an article if you are new. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:47, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for suggestions/feedback.

I started editing Wikipedia just 45 days back. I love editing Wikipedia. Can anyone provide any type of feedback or suggestion for betterment of my volunteering based on my few edits?? Thanks in advance for your time and attention. बृहस्पति (talk) 17:05, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@बृहस्पति: Welcome. Please see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. My other recommendation would be have a user name in characters that are friendly for people with disabilities. We have people editing with visual impairments who may not be able to read or type your user name. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: It appears that this user also contributes to Gujurati Wikipedia. (I think the username is in Hindi script rather than Gujurati script, but the user might be interested in contributing to other Indic-language projects.) Given that you need to have the same username across all projects these days, it may make sense for this user to keep this username, even if it's harder for English speakers. See also WP:NONLATIN. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Removing a footnote

I'd like to remove the third footnote to the essay WP:Student assignments. The footnote reads "See the essay WP:Assignments." (WP:Assignments links back to WP:Student assignments, meaning that the footnote just says to read the article the viewer is... already reading. Huh.) Assuming this is a good idea, how would I go about doing so? I don't want to break any formatting.

Also, would it be best to bring this issue up on the talk page for WP:Student assignments first? Birdsinthewindow (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Birdsinthewindow: I'd click edit and remove the code <ref>See the essay [[WP:Assignments]]</ref>. At the time that footnote was added, WP:ASSIGNMENTS was a separate essay, but it was redirected in 2017. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

How to be an auto-confirmed user

I do some research. It said most English Wikipedia user accounts that are more than four days old and have made at least 10 edits considered autoconfirmed. I try to edit some articles. But I am not sure how to check how many edits I have been made. Besides of edit the articles. What else counts for the 10 edits? Thank you. Stephanie Stephanie.ecms (talk) 17:57, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

You will see a list of your edits by clicking on the "Contributions" link at the top right-hand corner of any page. The 10 edit count for being autoconfirmed isn't restricted to article edits, and it does include edits to pages which have subsequently been deleted (which wouldn't be shown on your contribution record). Prior to being autoconfirmed, if you want to suggest changes to a semi-protected article you can do so on the article's talk page, using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:06, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

When I click on contributions, there are list are 7 contributions. Is that mean those are what I have been edited. When there list 10 edits, I can consider autoconfirmed users? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie.ecms (talk • contribs) 18:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Stephanie.ecms After you have made at least 10 edits to any article or page on Wikipedia) and your account is at least 4 days old, the system will automatically set your status to autoconfirmed. (that is the "auto" part). Currently you have 8 total edits, and your account was created at 2020-06-29 21:13 (UTC) so you haven't got enough edits or enough time yet. After 2 more edits, and a bity more than 2 more days you will have. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

That's right, Stephanie.ecms. But, may I ask, what exactly is it that you are waiting to be autoconfirmed for? Though there are various things you have the power to do once you're autoconfirmed, I would advise almost any new user not to do those things. If you are waiting to do the (extremely difficult) task of creating a new article, then use articles for creation; if you are wanting to Move a page, or edit a semi-protected page, it is much better to discuss this first on the article's talk page: you can do all of these before you are autoconfirmed. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I am doing this because I want to create a Wikipedia Page for my company. Based on my research, I thought I need to be an autoconfirmed user to create a page for my company. Am I right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanie.ecms (talk • contribs) 18:46, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

You should not be creating a Wikipedia article for your company. You need to read about conflict of interest, and you need to make the mandatory declaration of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:48, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

First, please remember to 'sign' your comments by typing four of ~ at the end. In theory, being autoconfirmed means you can create an article without going through the "articles for creation." You have been strongly cautioned (above) to not attempt this. The AfC process means that drafts are reviewed by experienced editors before being moved to Wikipedia, being Declined (try to make it better), or Rejected (forget about it). A simple question: is your company so well known that people who have no connection to the company have published lengthy articles about it? If not, give up. David notMD (talk) 20:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Rejection of Article: Carolyn Lee Jones

Question on comments by reviewer MurielMary: All of the references that review one or another of Carolyn Lee Jones' CDs are "published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Why do you think otherwise? I am asking because I know of no way to find reviews of her performances that differ in any way from the references cited. Thank you -- Robert Hadsell Rmhadsell (talk) 18:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link Draft:Carolyn Lee Jones. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:24, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rmhadsell: It seems like the publications reviewing her work are all quite low-quality, i.e. she has not yet attracted the attention of high-grade critics. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to set up something so that my posts will be reviewed by a more senior editor?

Hi all,

I recently joined but I am looking to get more involved. Is there a setting where any edits I make can be referred to more senior editors of that topic before they are posted? I just want to build up confidence first before making changes that someone might have to revert back.

Thank you. DarkerDai (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@DarkerDai: Welcome. Please see Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:23, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @Timtempleton: — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkerDai (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@DarkerDai: although Timtempleton mentioned Adopt-a-User, I have to tell you this is totally unsuited to you right now, as you have not, as yet, made a single edit to an article at this point. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, but Adoption is for users who have already demonstrated a degree of commitment to contributing to Wikipedia and want to improve their editing skills via adoption. Places like this Teahouse will suit you far better, as will simply 'being bold' and doing your best, and learning or asking if anyone does revert anything you've done. By all means make an edit and ask about it here, but Adoption is a two-way commitment and I feel you would be wasting your time seeking an adopter at this point of starting on your own personal Wikipedia adventure. (Well done on getting all 15 TWA badges, by the way). Nick Moyes (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: ah, ok. Thank you for getting back to me. You're, right, I don't think it would suit me. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't creating extra work for people. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DarkerDai (talk • contribs) 20:53, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Thanks for the clarification - I didn't know that the Adopt-a-User program was meant for people already editing, and the program page doesn't specify that you have to be somewhat experienced - it just says for new and inexperienced users. If the presumptive implementation is as you say, that suggests there's an onboarding gap between completing the Wikipedia adventure and getting more hands-on mentoring. We've all answered queries here to the effect - "I want to help - how do I find articles that need to be fixed?" @DarkerDai: I did some more digging and it seems that this is a good next step Help:Getting started, followed by this Wikipedia:Community portal, if you scroll down to where it says "help out". Good luck! TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:03, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: I'd like to answer that, but feel my reply might be a bit long and off-topic or, worse, wrongly taken as a criticism of the OP. So I'll reply on your talk page, if I may. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

 @DarkerDai: Please sign your messages on discussion (talk) pages by adding a space and four tildes to the end of the last line of your message, like this:

This is the last line of the message. ~~~~

The four tildes will be automatically converted to a signature that contains your linked username and a timestamp, which helps readers understand who said what.

Additionally, on talk pages, it is customary to indent your replies by one more indent level than the posting above you. For example, in this case, I have started my post with three colons (:::) because the post above me (by Nick Moyes) started with two colons. Thanks, and again, welcome! —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: Thank you for that. I'll do my best to make sure it's there going forward. Thanks again. DarkerDai (talk) 07:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Need help

Hello, can anyone please tell me , is TOI (Times Of India) consider as WP:RS ??? Myslfsbhijit (talk) 18:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Myslfsbhijit:, as already mentioned here, the TOI sources in Simran Upadhyay are not sufficient for that article. That is not exactly the same as TOI never being a reliable source; the community decided a few months ago that TOI can sometimes be used as a source, but "additional considerations apply", in other words, each TOI reference has to be considered in terms of whether it actually offers relevant and reliable information. The four sources in Simran Upadhyay don't, just as the other editor in the AfD discussion pointed out. --bonadea contributions talk 19:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey bonadea, thanks for your reply. So what to do right now to save the article ??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myslfsbhijit (talk • contribs) 19:45, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Myslfsbhijit: There unfortunately isn't enough sourcing to demonstrate notability. I also voted delete. We'll have to wait until she has more media coverage, and not just an annual Times of India post wishing her a happy birthday. Save the text for future use. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Myslfsbhijit. You might find it helpful to read WP:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. --ColinFine (talk) 21:37, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your valuable answer. It is really helpful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myslfsbhijit (talk • contribs) 22:04, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: I've run into ToI cites quite a bit on articles regarding India, so I'm kind of surprised that it may not be a great source some times. Can you comment on which news sources might be better for Indian topics, or where to start looking for useful discussion about it (there's a lot out there)? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:33, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: WP:RSPS summarizes consensus thusly: The Times of India is considered to have a reliability between no consensus and generally unreliable. It tends to have a bias in favor of the Indian government. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352: I wasn't questioning the stance on ToI, just which sources are better. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 05:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: blergh, I misread your question as, "what causes it to be unreliable?". FWIW, RSPS lists The Indian Express. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1:Yes, there was a recent RfC about The Indian Express which led to a "generally reliable" conclusion. (I do have a kind of negative knee-jerk reaction to newspapers with "Express" in the title, given the unreliability of The Daily Express and the Swedish Expressen, but that only makes it easier to remember that TIE is an exception!) WP:RSP is very useful for people like me who can't always keep track of sources in other countries, though of course even a "generally reliable" source can't automatically be used as a source for everything. When it comes to evaluating Indian news sources I tend to trust people like Fowler&fowler, Cyphoidbomb and Abcdare; I do a little bit of editing in articles about films, actors, and celebrities from India, and in those kinds of articles (such as the one Myslfsbhijit asks about), it can be very hard to find reliable sources but very easy to find a lot of short notices that are little more than clickbait. It doesn't help that there's a lot of paid promotional editing in the topic area of minor/wannabe celebrities (from any country, but obviously more from a populous country like India). Sorry, longer response than you asked for :-) --bonadea contributions talk 09:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey , expect TOI , The Indian Express , Ei Samay and ebela.in might be better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myslfsbhijit (talk • contribs) 06:59, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Dear all, For any article, you read 4-5 newspapers, like The Statesman, The Telegraph, Deccan Herald, etc you may find that 2 or 3 or 4 or all (sometimes) are indebted to one source (Reuters or INA). So in such cases or otherwise also get the view from the tv news channel websites (ABP maybe) ... Cheers Anupam Dutta (talk) 08:58, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Applying for admin

 Destroyz (talk) 23:14, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Destroyz: Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:36, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Destroyz. If your post is regarding the way editors become administrators, then please take a look at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship for some general information. There is a formal process that an editor needs to go through and they are only granted adminship if they are able to obtained a certain level of support from the Wikipedia community. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Destroyz: Out of about 1100 admins, only 25 joined Wikipedia in 2013 or later. The newest of those joined 19 months ago. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:27, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

And, Destroyz, people are only elected admins if they show that they are doing some work that needs the tools that admins have access to. I have been an editor since 2005, and made over 17 thousand edits, but I have never considered applying for adminship, because I can do all the things I want to do without it. --ColinFine (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Help creating a page for a book series

Hello, we have a book series that is winning awards, distributed worldwide, and has already achieved top 1% of book industry sales. We would appreciate a volunteer who could create the Wikipedia page for this book series. 2600:1700:C850:4760:EB:702F:296D:10DA (talk) 23:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, unregistered editor. Sales are nice, but before there can be a Wikipedia article (not a page) about a topic, that topic must be notable a term used in a special sense here. See our guideline on the notability of books. The most common way to establish notability for a book is to be able to cite multiple independent professionally published reliable sources that are reviews of or comments on the books, each of which provides significant coverage of the book (or series). This means no fan reviews, no amazon reviews, no blog posts, no press releases, no one-line mentions, and nothing from the publisher or anyone trying to sell or promote the book.

Also, who is "we"? Wikipedia accounts are for individual people only, no groups or companies. If you are working for the publisher or author, whether as an employee, intern, or contractor, or in any other way expect to receive compensation for editing, you must comply with WP:PAID before; doing any further editing on the topic. So would anyone you mi8ght hire. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:59, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

And please be aware that if at some point Wikipedia has an article about your book series it will not belong to you: you will have no control over the contents of the article, and it may say things that you would not want there, as long as independent commentators had published such things elsewhere. --ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, First of all, I am not an editor. Second, what do sales have to do with this conversation? Third, yes the books are notable. Following your link, the books are both #1 published in numerous non-trivial independent sources, and #2 has won a major literary awards. Fourth, this inquiry was to find someone who can create the article. Would you please provide a couple of names? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:C850:4760:B48F:C4C0:1644:8CCB (talk) 19:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

You can make a request at Requested Articles, but the backlog there is severe to the point of uselessness. As this is a volunteer project, there are not editors standing by to create articles. You can attempt to do so yourself if you heed the comments above and comply with the required policies, using Articles for creation. 331dot (talk) 19:45, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Draft:IXL Learning

I have recently hit a wall in contributing to my draft. it has been declined due to it sounding too much like an advertisement, and I don't know where to begin in fixing this issue to get it approved. Any advice on where to get started? Le Panini (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Le Panini (talk) 01:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Le Panini: A good place to start would be to cut the primary sources. This includes directly citing IXL's website and other sources that host IXL's press releases (eg. PR Newswire where it says "news provided by IXL learning"). Instead, base the article on reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Some things to definitely cut out are statistics and claims that IXL makes: those make the article sound promotional (eg. "over 10 million students"). Do not quote IXL on it's accomplishments either (eg. "IXL takes pride in"). Also watch out for words that introduce bias. In the end, we want to have an article that describes the subject as neutrally as possible. ◢   Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 02:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a reference document at odds with an account given in Wikipedia

My question concerns the article titled "Libby Prison Escape",[Prison Escape] a notorious prison escape by Union officers from a Confederate Prison in Richmond Virginia during the Civil War. The Wikipedia version gives credit for the planning and execution of the escape to a Major Hamilton and Col. Rose. The primary reference seems to be an account of the escape authored by Hamilton

In doing genealogy research I was reading "History of the Indiana Fifty-first Regiment" . The account the escape from Libby Prison given by this source attributes the leadership to Col. A. Streight of the Indiana 51st. While the essential details of the prison break, which I presume where published soon after the actual prison break are the same. There are some details following the break-out that are different from the present Wikipedia article.

My Question: Is this issue something that the editors of Wikipedia would pursue and if so in what fashion? Please advise me. I am willing to work to add details from the book that I have. However, my interest is rather focused on this issue rather than a general desire to understand the inner workings of Wikipedia.

Marie Scearce L1ndaLibby (talk) 02:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Libby Prison escape

Comment: left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Teahouse discussion about Libby Prison Escape in case those familiar with the subject matter have something to add.

Wikipedia doesn't pursue such a discrepancy directly, no. We leave the assessment of primary sources, who have a stake in swaying the story one way or another, to secondary sources like peer-reviewed articles or history books. We simply summarize what those sources say. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 03:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, L1ndaLibby. You are to be congratulated on the approach you have taken to this. As you clearly have access to the published book, which many other editors probably won't, I might suggest you expand what information you have over at the talk page of the article itself, rather than link to this soon-to-be-archived Teahouse discussion. I'm assuming this alternative source of information is both reliable and properly published - it certainly doesn't have to be online. (I can understand you might not want to get into the intricacies of Wikipedia editing, so laying out the necessary sources and a suggested wording you might like to see changed in the article seems the best way forward for you. ut, as has just been said, both published documents appear to be primary sources, so straight reporting of the evidence, with no interpretation by you, seems the way forward:

Based upon an account in his own words, Major Hamilton has been credited with co-organising the escape from Libby Prison.(ref) An alternative source, written by Willaim Hartpence, and submitted to the Library of Congress in 1894, gives credit to a Colonel Streight as being the leader of the escape.(ref)

Keeping you wording as neutral as possible, and posting your suggestion and a verbatim quote from the references on the article talk page might be the way to let other editor here decide if, and how best, to edit the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

repinging L1ndaLibby as I initially replied to the wrong editor! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Noting

Someone should help me on this article 2019–20 Ligue 1 (Ivory Coast).

I want to note both FC San Pédro at the infobox and at the league table without the notes appearing twice.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC) Josedimaria237 (talk) 02:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Josedimaria237: I put the first note in the infobox. Is that what you wanted? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 02:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Yep. Thanks, much better.

Josedimaria237 (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox in wrong place

Dear fellow Wikipedians, I have created Sandbox AA under user talk : Anupamdutta73/sandbox.... Now I cannot move it to user: Anupamdutta73/.... Also I had created commo.js.... How to delete it ? Cheers.... Anupam Dutta (talk) 04:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

The reason, or anyway one reason, why you can't move User talk:Anupamdutta73/sandbox to User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox is that the latter already exists. I can delete the latter and replace it with the former, if you like. -- Hoary (talk) 04:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Incidentally, I have deleted your creation "Category:Sandbox AA". Please do not experiment with categories (just use them as they were intended), and anyway do not experiment outside User (talk):Anupamdutta73. Indeed, it might be a good idea if you concentrated on adding reliably sourced material to existing articles, rather than experimenting and asking about experimenting. -- Hoary (talk) 05:33, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear @Hoary, What I am trying to do is open another sandbox that accessible along with the existing one... There I shall be putting texts I wish to translate... I think I am focused on adding materials to to Wikipedia.... Thanks for your existing and future supports. Anupam Dutta (talk) 06:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: How about User:Anupamdutta73/To be translated? Just click on that link. For future reference, you can occasionally request deletion of a page in your own userspace (i.e., pages under User:Anupamdutta73) by editing the page and adding {{db-u1}} to it. Use it sparingly, though, since it requires an admin's time to do so. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:04, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: I guess "commo.js" means User:Anupamdutta73/common.js. Please link pages you refer to. It can only be deleted by interface administrators. I suggest you just blank it instead if you don't currently want any code in it. If you really want it deleted then you can use this link to post a request to delete both the page and the talk page you will be creating with the request. It's also unclear what you mean by "move it to user: Anupamdutta73/..." Do you want to overwrite the existing page at User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox, or create the page literally called User:Anupamdutta73/..., or get a new sandbox name like User:Anupamdutta73/sandbox2, or something else? You can create the pages at the red links by just saving something in them. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamdutta73: Some thoughts: If you use the Preview and review the rendered results before hitting Publish, you can catch some of the typos and other little issues that can confuse others. If (as PH said) you wikilink things in your post, and you then use Preview and the link appears in red, it's literally a red flag that you've made a typo (unless, of course, you intended to link to a non-existent page, as I did above). Thanks again to PH, it occurs to me that, like most serious editors around here, you will ultimately want/need to have a User:Anupamdutta73/common.js, so blanking it instead of deleting it makes a lot of sense. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:22, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Kattayil Rajinish Menon

Article declined

Why Kattayil Rajinish Menon been removed? I've followed all the guidleine here. Information given are from public domain such as newspaper, industry videos, organization websites? As per the feedback, I have tweaked the article. Please help me in getting this article approved. Wahengba (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Here's how that starts: "Kattayil Rajinish Menon is the co-founder and Chief Executive Officer of Sukino Healthcare Solutions Pvt. Ltd. He held leadership roles at Microsoft Corporation, Deutche Bank, Reliance Energy Limited. During his stint at Microsoft, he played instrumental role in setting up startup partner accelerator hubs." This comes with what looks like a reference. I click on the reference, and find that it doesn't mention Menon. So it isn't a reference. Just what is a leadership role? What's the difference between an instrumental role and a non-instrumental role? Instrumental or otherwise, what was his role? What's a startup partner accelerator hub? As Sukino Healthcare Solutions doesn't have an article, is its co-founder and CEO of encyclopedic concern? -- Hoary (talk) 07:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Kattayil Rajinish Menon. Declined. Resubmitted. Wahengba not shown as trying to improve the draft after the Declined, but could have been editing not signed in, as 106.206.32.36. Please remember to sign in, so that all your edits are from one User account. David notMD (talk) 11:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

personal attacks

hallo, there is a user who keeps pushing and pushing me in the discussions in AFD making personal statements about me. I asked him to stop more than once and to talk only about the subject to be deleted but he keeps doing it. he is definitely trying on my nerves to make me react so he can have me blocked. what can I do? --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 08:52, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey Don't react, then nothing will happen to you. If necessary, take a break from participating in that discussion. If the issue is intractable and unable to be resolved through regular discussion, you may make a report at WP:ANI. Be advised that the totality of the circumstances(including your actions) will be examined as well, should you choose to pursue such a discussion. 331dot (talk) 09:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot I genuinely believe I never did anything wrong to him. I offered my help to this person different times and I also asked for his help once, before he started stalking me. should I keep asking him to keep the debate focus on the subject or should I don't even answer to him?. I know it will not stop so I will wait it to be obvious before to report at WP:ANI.--AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I honestly don't see the other user as following you around in particular. Many users focus on certain areas of the project, that does not mean they are targeting you personally. 331dot (talk) 09:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot do we want to count how many times I was accused of things by him?. first rule of the stalker game, people will not believe you when you tell them you are being stalked. Great, I will wait for the situation to grow, hopping that my nerve will not bust first and make me suspend. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

AlejandroLeloirRey If that's your fear, I would suggest disengaging from the discussion for a time. You have said that your English is not that good, have you considered that might be causing you to misinterpret things? That a user focused on AFD does not mean that they are targeting you or trying to get you blocked. If you do nothing wrong, you won't be blocked. Only you can control what you do. 331dot (talk) 09:53, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

331dot my english is not that good, that is true, but i can still understand one sentence where i get accused of something. so, this is the solution, if I am constantly personally attacked by one person I should quit the conversations and let him have it on his own way (contrary to the guidelines) this is the perfect metaphor of when a woman is stalked and people tells her to not wear short skirts. great, i will just shut my mouth and let it be. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 10:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I am sorry you feel another editor is in some way checking up on you, or is making unreasonable or provocative criticisms. That's never nice. You haven't given us any DIFFs to understand the problem (nor is this the right venue to investigate specifics) though I did see on the only AFD that I did check that another editor was getting quite frustrated with you for not doing WP:BEFORE prior to nominating a number of notable topics for deletion. I can't comment on whether they are right or wrong, though your AFD stats do suggest you have currently nominated quite a few. Should there be a feeling by those who work at AFD that you're going about it the wrong way, then they will certainly look at your work and tell you to take more care, and you should listen to that. You are not going to get blocked for bad AFD judgements, though theoretically any editor can be restricted from contributing there if the community feels they are doing more harm than good. But there's no excuse for one or more editors acting unreasonably towards anyone, and neither have I looked for that. If any editor has genuine concerns about another's actions they could choose to address things directly on the other editor's talk page and spelling out their concerns, or they could go to WP:ANI, ensuring they cite a range of diffs to demonstrate their accusations. Neither course is an easy one, so what I would do is collate diffs of edits which concern me, and copy them to an off-wiki wordprocessed document until such time as I felt I could assess if I were being reasonable in my conclusions over harassment or not. (I would never store them on-wiki as I could then be accused of targetting another editor) Those could then be used if going forward to make a complaint. It is true that being told to 'take a break' is often very good advice here, but it in other circumstances it is extremely patronising and not something anyone with genuine concerns ever wants to hear. I cannot comment on the rights or wrongs of what you have said here, but we are not tolerant of bad editors, even when acting in 'good faith', nor are we tolerant of one editor harassing another. Let me know if you need any further advice. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)  

@Nick Moyes: porn actor biographies are a mess. most of them have been created and kept under now deprecated guidelines. this is why i have so much to nominate and believe me i am only nominating that most obvious ones. from https://tools.wmflabs.org/afdstats/afdstats.py?name=AlejandroLeloirRey&max=&startdate=&altname= your AFD stats you can see that most of my nominations where reasonable. plus, some of the articles i nominated have been kept on the basis of multiple vote to keep like "more sources might be found" and this is very frustrating for a person like me. AFD should not a vote but a discussion and seeing articles with no sources like the one of Zak Spears being kept basing on the fact that we can not exclude the existence of more sources upsets me. please, also note that when i was convinced by new sources that my nomination was wrong i withdraw it, and that happen a few times. question, do you have a link where I can learn to store on off-wiki ? thank you. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@AlejandroLeloirRey: I'm afraid I don't have any experience of biographies of porn actors (apart, that is, from my favourite story of once being invited to participate as one when I was a young, fresh-looking student at Uni...but thankfully I declined!). The requirement for reliable sources should still be the same, I'd have said, though I would hope you weren't rushing to get articles deleted without doing due diligence, as I mentioned. Otherwise it would not be surprising if other editors were coming down on your head like a ten-pound hammer. If you are having to withdraw nominations frequently, then perhaps some extra work is still required on your part when you initially doubt their notability? Personally, whether porn star, rock star or rock formation, I prefer to err on the side of not deleting content whenever there is any doubt. Regarding your question: there is really nothing to learn. Read WP:DIFF on how to create one via the View History tab (like this last edit of yours. Copy the url, open a Word processor document on your own computer, and paste it in along with an annotation of what concerned you about it. You'll eventually either build up a pattern of edits which show unreasonable behaviour of flawed attitudes on someone's part, or you'll come to appreciate that you were simply being addressed firmly but fairly, because of the things you were doing. Standing back to look at your own motives and actions as well as those of others always seems a sensible thing to do here. Feelings or meanings often get lost in translation when simply typing emotionless text. I'm neither defending, attacking nor trying to brush anything away here - just spelling out what I would do, as going back in time to look at a pattern of behaviour is neither easy nor pleasant. I like to think of myself as a model of politeness here, but it would be quite easy to cherry pick a few examples of where I've had to be firm and totally blunt - even downright rude - with troublesome editors, yet if they tried to throw those selected moments back against I doubt it would get them very far. But if I showed a pattern of poor behaviour towards others, I would deserve what I get. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 3 July 2020 (UTC)  

@Nick Moyes:my first experience with porn bios was writing one and that was very hard. having it accepted was so stressful as in that moment I didn't understand well what a good source is and why some of my sources where being criticized (most of the time in an irresponsabile way) but I have learned a lot about how a good source should be. I must say that probably 75% of porn bios wouldn't be published today if they were judged by the standard used on the bio I wrote. I do not want to go that far but definitely if we want wikipedia to be considered a reliable enciclopedia we need to get rid of the garbage. I didn't withdraw my nomination often it happened about 3 times and those now count as keep on my AFD resume. I believe on being fair and if I am shown to be wrong I can take a step backward and admit my mistake. wikipedia encourage us to be bold and if we can not make a few mistake how can we be bold. once again the majority of my nominations have than been deleted. before nominating an article usually I post at least one week before on the talk page of the article a post where I explain I want to delete the article and why. I check every single source present on the article. I look for more sources and I publish on AlejandroLeloirRey the list of the pages I have nominated or that i want to nominate. often I also use templates like "more article needed" or similar. now, I think that is enough. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:26, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Removing a template message

I added citations and links to a document but I can't remove the template. How do I do it? Fiona Njaggi (talk) 11:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

None of your edits have included citations, so they were reverted at the time as unsourced. I notice also that you marked all your edits as minor, but they didn't meet the criteria at Help:Minor edits. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

There are no more citations to provide on this page. How do I remove the template? Also, I marked an edit as a minor edit, could that be the cause? Fiona Njaggi (talk) 12:05, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

If you mean Jim Chu (entrepreneur), were your edits without signing in, so that they show as edits by an IP address? Also, what you did was add hyperlinks to the text of the article (The Nest, Untapped). These do not count as citations, and the hyperlinks should be removed. David notMD (talk) 14:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

is the AFD process good enough?

I have been nominating a lot lately and I am becoming more and more aware of the process of the elimination. I can tell that it relies a lot of the personal believing of the contributors... too much. I have seen article being kept because of major "keep" vote with comments like: "He seems notable in his field." with no further explanations, "likely interviews and articles exist but many publications of his time would be off-line." and similar. this one specific article is the bio of Zak Spears where the sources are: an interview (primary source), one 5 line long bio and IMDb and AFDb both considered unreliable here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pornography#Industry/trade_sources.

I don't care about that specific article but the fact that it has resulted into a keep it makes me understand that first actually AFD is a vote process even though after the guidelines it shouldn't be and second that the process relies too much on what is are personal perception of the people involved into the discussion. I think we should make it more clear, especially for the bio, that no article can be kept if they are not properly sourced and if the sources do not prove notability. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC) AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Suggest you read Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 14:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@NotMD:cool, thank you :-) --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

I was caled out by user mattythewhite for disruptive editing when I was clearly just changing some grammar and linking it to other Wikipedia pages. Could this problem be solved? Ananimo0o0o0oo0s2 (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Mattythewhite, care to comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I will poach: Anan- All of your edits to date have been the addition of factual statements to articles without providing references to verify what you have added. Rightfully so, you have been warned. Please learn how to reference. David notMD (talk) 15:15, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

My reverts were in response to the addition of unsourced content. Here the edits I undid for each warning: 1, 2, 3. Mattythewhite (talk) 16:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Article turned down through lack of “published, reliable, secondary sources .."

Hi My Draft:Frogmorton_(folk_group) article has been turned down through lack of “published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject”. The article in question is about an important British folk rock band in the 70s.

I have included five printed reference-sources: the first, “The Great Folk Discography. Volume 1. Pioneers and Early Legends by Martin C Strong” contains a comparatively substantial entry referring to the band. However the book is in hardback only & doesn’t exist in its entirety on the web. The great folk Discography volume 1 'Pioneers and Early legends.'

The other sources are front-page Melody Maker articles in the Folk section of the newspaper between 1972 & 1976. Having contacted the ex-editor I have been informed these were never digitised and old issues remain still bound-in-string in the basement of their offices! However, I have scanned copies of those articles which could be put on line. Melody Maker

What can I do about having these important & reliable references in a clickable format to allow the article to be accepted by Wikipedia? Many thanks Flatback (talk) 14:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Flatback: I can help you format these references in a way that makes their significance more clear. Is the "The Great Folk Discography" source an encyclopedia, and if so, is the entry you're referring to titled Frogmorton? Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:43, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Why is some idiot vandalizing my article

Why is he doing that. Fuc them I spent my time and some idiot is supporting them. PippeliPerse (talk) 15:29, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

This user was indefinitely blocked. Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Cape Coral High School is not your article; it is an article that was created in 2007 and edited many times since then. Your additions may be true, but YouTube is not accepted by Wikipedia as a reliable source for a reference. David notMD (talk) 16:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

There's no blanket ban on YouTube, David notMD. See WP:YOUTUBE and WP:VIDEOREF. Videos made by reputable broadcasters that are hosted on YouTube can be considered reliable sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Cordless Larry, But it is better to avoid YouTube as per WP:YTREF as a reliable source because Many YouTube videos of newscasts, shows or other content of interest to Wikipedia visitors are copyright violations and should not be linked, either in the article or in citations ~ Amkgp 💬 17:35, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Amkgp, again, there is no blanket advice to avoid using all YouTube videos as references. Editors must use good editorial judgment. A news video on the official TouTube channel of a reliable source is by definition a reliable source. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 20:14, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Becoming a translator

Hi all! I was wondering how to become an 'experienced user' so I can publish translations. I recently graduated with a Spanish Major and am currently studying for the DELE C1 exam.

I have published Draft:La Concha Bay as an example of my work. It's by no means perfect but I really want to contribute to this community.

Any advice is welcome! Seangtkelley (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Seangtkelley Welcome to Wikipedia . Please go through Your first article to get accustomed with Wikipedia editing and article creations. Also, you can help us to translate from Spanish to English if there is a request at Pages needing translation into English and Category:Articles needing translation from Spanish Wikipedia. Happy editing ~ Amkgp 💬 17:19, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Seangtkelley: Regarding Draft:La Concha Bay, only references are missing. Please go through reliable sources that are accepted as references and are added as per citing norms. ~ Amkgp 💬 17:25, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Which points up the unexpected challenges of translating Wikipedia articles, Seangtkelley: Translating the text may be only a small part of the job. Each Wikipedia is a separate project with its own rules; and even within en-wiki, there are thousands and thousands of articles which are sub-standard, and would not be accepted in their present form if somebody tried to add them today. This means that an article you find in es-wiki 1) may not meet en-wiki's criteria for WP:notability, in which case translating it would be a waste of your time; or 2) may meet those criteria, but may not have the requisite references, in which case you would need to find the reliable independent sources, and cut everything out of your translation which you could not find in a reliable source. --ColinFine (talk) 21:00, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine's advice about notability is true, but in the particular case of Draft:La Concha Bay, officially-designated geographical areas and feature are presumed notable, so the San Sebastian external link is actually sufficient. It should survive if brought to mainspace (but do not let that keep you from improving it with references!). Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 21:30, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Initialisms/acronyms as part of hyperlinks?

I'm confused about whether links should include initialisms/acronyms or not. E.g., should I write obstructive sleep apnea (OSA) or obstructive sleep apnea (OSA)?

Thanks. Pulmtom (talk) 17:28, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pulmtom: I think the first one looks better. Interstellarity (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

@Pulmtom:Go for first as I too agree with Interstellarity ~ Amkgp 💬 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Referring a book's position on a best seller list

Hi. I added a link to the New York Times Best sellers list as evidence of an edit I made to an article to show that a book had reached no. 5 on the list. However I realise that this page is updated each week and so the link will not provide evidence once that book changes its position on the list. Is there a way of making a link go to the best sellers page of a fixed date? Alison hunter (talk) 17:37, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• @Alison Hunter: The NYT does seem to keep an online archive of previous best seller lists: for instance [6] gives the mid-June week. In my desktop view those pages can be reached by the arrows next to the date, top-right of the page.

A more general solution for websites subject to change or disappearance is given at Help:Archiving a source. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 20:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes you need to thank God

 Vic Agbiti pup (talk) 17:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC) sorry but God is more than anything so the only reason your living is because of God so maybe you can kick me out okay thanks

Vic Agbiti pup, It unclear what is you query. Please note Teahouse is a platform where you can ask questions and get help related to using and editing Wikipedia ~ Amkgp 💬 17:42, 3 July 2 020(UTC)

This is merely a trolling sock. I've blocked it. Bishonen | tålk 18:41, 3 July 2020 (UTC).

Defunct WikiProject template

While editing some flight simulation articles I noticed that the defunct WikiProject Flight Simulation still has banners on some pages. I've added a speedy deletion to the template, is this the right way to go? GameIsWikipedian (talk) 20:12, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Trouble with another editor

Hello

I was hoping to get some advice on how to deal with another editor. I've been trying to edit an article on books but everything I do gets reverted and though I try to raise issues on the talkpage this editor doesn't feel I'm academic enough and accuses me of acting in bad faith.

What should I do?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

JD 92.0.34.161 (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• I see there is some slow-motion edit war going on at List of best-selling books. Both of you and Starasta1 seem to have kept relatively cool heads, except for occasional accusation of bad faith such as this or that edit summary (please see WP:AGF), or that post on the talk page.

As it seems it is only two of you fighting and the discussion is not too heated (yet), I would advise looking for a third opinion, or failing that make a request for comment to attract a wider audience. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 20:38, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

• It is not essential, but it might be useful to register for an account. I have known before that some editors have less inherent respect for an IP editor. The daft thing is that we can be as anonymous as we wish when creating accounts, or as open. It should make no difference Fiddle Faddle 20:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

You probably get loads of questions about this, but I can't figure out how to archive my talk page...

Hello,

I've added this to my user talk page:
{{User:MiszaBot/config | algo = old(10d) | archive = User talk:Thanoscar21/Archive %(counter)d | counter = 1 | maxarchivesize = 75K | archiveheader = {{Automatic archive navigator}} | minthreadstoarchive = 1 | minthreadsleft = 4 }}

It's not archiving. Can someone help me please? Please ping me.
Thanks, Thanoscar21_{talk, contribs} 21:31, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Thanoscar21. I never find setting up archives easy, but did you not read the instructions at User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo? It only archives pages once a day, and you only set this up two hours ago! You'll need to give the bot time to do its run. What I would say is that you've set both your archive period to be far too short, and the archive max size to be far too small. Personally, I like having at least the last 3 months of talk page messages visible on my page at once, and don't want to waste time looking through inordinate numbers of teeny-tiny archives, which you'll get with those settings. You'll also need something to make links to your archive pages visible. I'll drop by your talk page and give it a tweak. If I mess up, or you don't like it, you can always revert my edits. How's that? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I have a Conflict of Interest when editing a page. Is it best to leave it and set up a talk?

Hi again. Sorry, I seem to be here a lot. I was going through some Irish television pages (RTÈ One and Virgin Media One) and I noticed the shares were out of date. I can update these using the TAM Nielsen data for 2019 ( I can also do this for other Irish channels) but I do have a Conflict of Interest. Is it best to amend them and add a note in the summary or just request someone else to amend them? Thanks. DarkerDai (talk) 22:54, 3 July 2020 (UTC)