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DYK nomination of Prometheus (Orozco)

Second reminder, 15 days on. Hello! Your submission of Prometheus (Orozco) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Johnbod (talk) 21:02, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Replied there; we're waiting for a copyright specialist, I believe. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:43, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

I want to make article on me

I want to people know me, and I have done a long time of influencing people, I have account on social media and I have done a lot of donations and Maken memories, want your support

Thanks ROX AYUSH Ayushprachi20 (talk) 08:46, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Ayushprachi20, this is probably the leading Bad Idea for an Article. see WP:BAI. Guy (help!) 08:49, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm Cindy'SweRr Cindy'SweRr (talk) 10:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I'm Mhiz Destiny Mhiz Destiny (talk) 15:07, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Hi Sdkb, I am Anshublogger i edited my first successful edit on your post: Impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the environment. Thank you for helping me on my repetitive errors on mirror updates. You were kind enough during the whole process. can you tell me were can I follow you(social media)? Thanks again. Anshublogger (talk) 20:35, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Anshublogger, and welcome to Wikipedia! Most Wikipedians, including myself, maintain some level of anonymity, so I don't disclose my social media handles here, but you are welcome to follow my activity on-wiki. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:49, 24 June 2020 (UTC)

Abstract Wikipedia

Hi, Sdkb, I was wondering where the logo is... Thank you for your time. :-) Lotje (talk) 05:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi Lotje! I don't think Abstract Wikipedia has a logo yet (the official name isn't even fully settled). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:47, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

​ Oops! I hope I didn't do anything wrong by talking about it here??? Lotje (talk) 05:52, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Lotje, nope, not at all! I don't think there's anything sensitive in that area; it's just everything is fairly preliminary right now. You can see what's going on at meta:Abstract Wikipedia, including the name discussion at meta:Talk:Abstract Wikipedia/Name. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:59, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

​ Does that mean humble little me is allowed to make a suggestion too? Lotje (talk) 11:14, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Lotje haha yep! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:31, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

​ WikiPro Lotje (talk) 05:39, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Interest in your editing work

Hi Sdkb,

Hope you are well. If you'll oblige my reaching out, I'm a student doing some research for a summer internship related to improving content safety online. The company I'm interning with is trying to keep the web free of misinformation. We are hoping to learn from dedicated Wikipedia editors about their motivations to spend time doing editing work online (so that we can motivate others to do the same on other platforms). I saw that you are fairly active with edits; would you be willing to chat with me about your work for about ~20 min one day? If you prefer I can give you my questions in writing, too.

Thanks for considering!

LailaAtTrustLab (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

LailaAtTrustLab, thanks for reaching out. Could you clarify which Trust Lab you're working for? (There seem to be several organizations that go by that name.) Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi

Hi Sdkb How do I interact with the Wikipedians? I am lost now Du7976yot8if7 (talk) 12:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Replied at your talk. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Press coverage of Fox News decision

Looks like both of our concerns that there would be media coverage of the Fox News RfC was right, there's already a CNN article, and I suspect that there will be more forthcoming. Hemiauchenia (talk) 14:22, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

@Hemiauchenia: Thanks for the link! The CNN article looks generally reliable (pun intended), which is nice to see. There's also a Breitbart piece. I think the mixed outcome has likely spared us more intense coverage — if Fox had been deemed unreliable, it would have made a much more straightforward and compelling story and maybe generated more of an online mob. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Max Hunter

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A kitten for you!

my lovley

Hana Darmawan (talk) 17:03, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Hana Darmawan, thank you! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:18, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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um wtf is going on

so i made some edits in may 2020 in the proverbs section of the Vietnamese cuisine webpage. the information i added was based on my range of knowledge as a native Vietnamese, so it's completely correct and should have been approved by other administrators. i didn't violate the law, i didn't cause vandalism or confusion or anything. why wasn't my additional information disapproved? i'm really sick and pissed off because of this. someone please help. thank you. Wisdomlearnernobserver (talk) 16:55, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Wisdomlearnernobserver, sorry to hear you're encountering difficulties. The information you added may have been removed because it lacked a citation to a reliable source (your personal knowledge unfortunately isn't sufficient, since we have no way to verify it). If you go to the article, click the history tab, and find the revision you made and provide a link, I might be able to help you further. You can also always visit the Teahouse, a friendly space for new editors to receive help. I'll leave a message on your talk page with further resources. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

You're a mammal?

You're a mammal? Thats so crazy, I've never met any other mammals before. Did you know I am also a mammal? I never thought I would meet anyone like me! Emicho's Avenger (talk) 05:23, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Emicho's Avenger, I know, it's quite lonely being a mammal — the insects greatly outnumber us. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Indeed. We ought to be worried, they could swarm us if they really wanted to. Emicho's Avenger (talk) 05:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

2020 Beirut explosions

Thanks for your professional-level assistance with the copyediting. Mentioning "Halifax" in the lede seemed odd, but I was on a mission to change blasts to explosions, etc, and did not feel qualified to address, etc. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 00:43, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

NYT college student income data are not current

If you're going to add information to articles about college student (family's) income and demographics using this source and its related materials, please find some different wording that does not imply that the data are current. The working paper on which the NYT's article is based uses data from 1999-2013. ElKevbo (talk) 19:30, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

ElKevbo, it would be good to find more current data if it exists. Do you know where that might be obtained? The NYT article states These estimates are for the 1991 cohort (approximately the class of 2013) — if it's 2013, that's not great but not terribly outdated, but if it's 1999, that would be more of a problem. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:38, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Not offhand, no. ElKevbo (talk) 19:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

ElKevbo, Googling it, I came across this, which says at least some data is available from IPEDS and the CDS, but I'm not sure whether it'd be comprehensive enough to create the charts with the percentage of students in each bracket the way the Opportunity Insights data can. The impression I'm getting is that this data is underdocumented, which is very different from saying that it's unimportant. On an IAR level, I think it's fair to say that the socioeconomic demographics of a school are roughly as important as its ethnic demographics. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

sorry sdkb

sorry for making bad dumb edits to the website

Sl1pz (talk) 22:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Duke University

I saw your edit summary notes here. The problem, so to speak, is once that an article is awarded as FA, it is Not Set in Stone, from that day forward. Consider these two versions. Look at the "Recent History" section here: [1], before I worked on it, vs. after: [2]. I am not a great editor, but even I could see that Recent history was accumulating a list of "factoids", many of which belonged elsewhere! Obviously, the incremental, but sourced edits were added over time.

I do not have any personal opinion regarding "the FA gold star", or whether it was/is deserved, etc. But this sort of article is going to change over time, as new info becomes available and is added. According to the talkpage, this article appeared on the Main Page as a FA in 2006! So, we have 14 years of changes, etc.

Anyway, thanks for your edits, which may have corrected some of my own errors. Best, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Tribe of Tiger, yeah, makes sense. Duke's page is better than some other FA college pages I've seen; the issues there could probably be fixed during a review without too much trouble, whereas Ohio Wesleyan University is probably on its way to delisting unless someone very dedicated shows up to try to save it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't have experience with the GA/FA awards, etc. But I wonder if this is something that came about when WP was getting started, and perhaps the future ramifications...thru the years/decades, could not be foreseen. The editors who brought Duke up to FA standards may not be around now, etc. Same for OWU? Anyway, we do our best, "generation to generation". Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Tribe of Tiger, yeah, I recently wrote an essay, WP:ENDURE, that discusses proactive ways to set up articles so they won't deteriorate (there's also WP:Defending article quality). With regard to FAs, I think ideally there would be a periodic review every five years or so to confirm that a page has remained up to standard. I'm not sure if there are enough editors for that, though. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:28, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Yes, editors are a problem, for sure. Especially ones who are able to research, write and evaluate, etc. My observation is that so many aspects of WP need attention. I just scanned thru OMU. The last section of History reads "1984 to today". Thirty-six years, three paragraphs. Oh dear. I shall read your essay and WP:DAQ, thanks. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 05:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cyrus G. Baldwin

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Quick advice

If it seems like no one else cares about something, make decisions and implement them yourself. Clearly document and explain your edits and supporting rationales in case someone does notice and object. Be prepared to pause and possibly revert your edits if someone objects and wants to begin a discussion. Don't let a lack of interest on the part of others indefinitely hold up improvements to articles. ElKevbo (talk) 10:11, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

ElKevbo, thanks, it's always good to have the reminder. Given how longstanding/widespread the tables are, including at featured pages, I wouldn't feel comfortable making mass changes based only on WP:SILENCE. I'm also genuinely not sure what the best way to handle them would be (delete? modify?) and asking for brainstorming. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:24, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't begin with mass changes. Change one or two and see how they work (or don't work). Take it slowly at first while you're still making adjustments and gauging editors' concerns (or lack thereof). ElKevbo (talk) 10:34, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

ElKevbo, I think the way I'm probably going to go about it is to create a template, so that the presentation can be standardized/synced. I'll put that forward and see if it can garner a sufficiently strong consensus for implementation. Right now, I'm just trying to get thoughts/ideas about how best to construct the template. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 10:43, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Comment from IP editor

Dear, You have to make sure about your information before publishment on Wikipedia. Beirut port blast cause is not ‘Fire’ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.235.157.79 (talk)

Hello. I have not edited the cause at 2020 Beirut explosion. At a page as heavily watched as that one, I'm confident editors have everything under control. The indirect cause of the blast was a fire at the port, and in a technical sense, the explosion itself was caused by a combustion. You can check out Talk:2020 Beirut explosion and start a thread there if needed to get more input from the editors who made the decision. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:59, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Admissions Template Change

Thanks for taking the initiative to update the Admissions information section of various college articles with a new template. But deleting 5 years of information in table form is a very significant change which hasn't been adequately discussed. No consensus has been reached: the discussion you started at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Higher_education#Admissions_figures_tables has only had input from 1 other editor to date. Please hold off on continuing to implement your proposed template until consensus has been reached. Thanks! Contributor321 (talk) 14:52, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Why do we need to have five years' of data in these articles when the data barely changes and thus doesn't tell readers much? ElKevbo (talk) 15:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Contributor321, there's another discussion a little farther down at the project page that has input from another editor, but still, I take your point, and as always with a new template, I'm rolling it out cautiously.

Given that you reverted the change at U Michigan (edit summary: This significant a change needs consensus; none has been reached after just a short discussion.), do you have some objection to using the template over the table? If so, please join the discussion and let us know why so we can work to improve the template; if not, then Wikipedia:Don't revert due solely to "no consensus" applies. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:19, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

I like the template you've created and appreciate you doing so; it's just that I believe it's generally useful to readers (and also personally find it interesting) to see a table with the year-to-year trend in # of applications, % accepted, and the change in SAT/ACT scores of enrolled freshmen over 5 years. But it's not something I feel very strongly about and if others do not share my belief that 5 years of annual data is worth seeing, I'm OK with it. Contributor321 (talk) 20:24, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Contributor321, thanks for clarifying. I've replied at the main discussion so we can avoid a WP:TALKFORK. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:35, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Contributor321 (talk) 21:38, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Franklin La Du Ferguson

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Oops. The nom has been approved, but seems to have gotten lost. I think I fixed it by re-adding the transclusion to Template talk:Did you know/Approved. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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Many things

Sdkb, I've seen you around a lot on WP talk pages, community portal and such and had at some point saw your proposal (if I recall correctly) to pause the Vital article lists and work on the project it self. Of course, knowing the general attitude of WP it didn't receive much support, but imo that was perhaps the best proposal that the VA project has seen. I mean I find it sooo funny how people passionately argue for one figure or topic over the other and cite references, equality, influence, general public familiarity but then after the process they feel their job is done, it's ridiculous. I'm trying to think of ways to revitalize the vital articles project (pun intended!) since I'm starting to realize it's importance, were it properly acted upon.

A couple of weeks ago I found myself getting sucked into working on smaller articles, which I was concerned about at first but then realized I don't have to feel bad about it if I'm at the same time slowly working on big articles. To do this I started collecting more sources on Leonardo da Vinci to begin rewriting his article to FA standards, while working on smaller figures like Ellis Gibbons. For me, this is the best way to work on WP, but for others I feel like a lot of people solely work on one niche topic, which is fine – I mean we're all volunteers – but this is where the Vital articles project could thrive, giving people who only work on 18th century English painting a chance to do that but at the same time work on the article for say, Fire. I think the key to making this project work is the collaboration section, then people could work on whatever they want and chip in at the collab so that with enough people chipping in they would still be able to balance what they're already doing, if that makes sense. I'm not sure how helpful the A Class assessment part would be but reassessing some of the VA lv 3 articles would probably be good too. Speaking of which, it seems like the project's strength lies in lv 3, at least for the moment it's the most reasonable and concise list out of the 5 (imo). In thinking of some basic goals for the project, were it to be reinvigorated I've come up with:

1. Getting all Lv 1 to B Class
2. Getting all Lv 2 to B Class
3. Getting all Lv 3 to C Class

As some super basic standards. Then I think the collab area would take over, with people nominating articles (preferably C class ones from Lv 3 or B class from Level 2) to work towards getting to GA or FA, depending on how the participation is going for that particular collab I suppose. Many WP projects seem to be increasingly less active, of course some like WP:MILHIST and WP:PALEO are doing fine, but to counter this we could reach out to specific users who are still active or knowledgeable in various fields who could then advise/assist in collaborations for more specialized topics like Energy. I mean I have my fields that I'm best in, but I'm willing to do whatever I can to try and get some neglected lv 2 and 3 articles on important people and basic topics to a better standard. Anyways I'm rambling – probably with no lack of grammatical errors :) – here but let me know your thoughts. I hate the idea of seeing William Etty as FA (nevertheless a great article) but not Dante Alighieri! Aza24 (talk) 02:05, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Aza24, it's nice to hear from you, and I'm glad someone else is thinking about these things! The best place to build off of for an initiative like that might actually be WP:TAFI rather than WP:VIT, since TAFI is the place where people go to try to improve articles that really need the help. However, like many WikiProjects, TAFI has become semi-inactive, so I think what you'll want to do is try to relaunch it. I don't have any experience relaunching WikiProjects, though, so I'm not quite sure what needs to be done for that; the folks at the WikiProject Council might have advice.

I think TAFI could benefit from some automation: it'd be nice to have a list of most-viewed stubs/most-viewed start-class pages, for instance. It'd also be good to set up an alert system for pages that are receiving a flood of traffic, such as Beirut probably did a week ago, so that we could have a rapid-response force fix up pages in need. I could envision a TAFI bot similar to the RFC bot that delivers invitations to your talk page with articles needing help. All of that will require some help from folks with technical expertise. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:52, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

I haven't forgotten about this, but as my schedule gets busier in the upcoming weeks I'm hesitant in trying to reboot a Wikiproject. In my mind what I was proposing may be closer to that Featured article task force that used to exist (I don't remember what it was called so unsure where a link to it is), but with a focus on Vital articles. Meaning, articles like "Book" or "Home" that would be unlikely to get attention from many users otherwise. Imo TAFI moves a bit too fast and if getting some of these articles to FA or GA is the goal, that may not be beneficial. To your point of creating a task force for most viewed stubs/start up pages, that does seem like an interesting thing I haven't thought of, but for articles like Beirut after the explosion, such a task force seems unnecessary since hundreds of editors usually come together anyways when something "like that" happens. Aza24 (talk) 23:08, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!

for this. Hadn't thought of that implication—I was thinking of "failed" in the sense of "did not" or "omitted to", but the sense you identified is def the more common one. Certainly didn't mean to suggest that there was failure involved! AleatoryPonderings (talk) 20:27, 23 August 2020 (UTC)

Decade-ence

Just noticed you're coming up on 10 years with the project. Congratulations for your longevity! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. ^put'r there 19:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I guess I am; thanks for noticing! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:04, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

WP:VPR#Manual Tag: "Error in edit summary"

I'm sorry, weren't you initally in support of this feature at the idea lab? I could retract this proposal is needed. I am very confused. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 22:05, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

P,TO 19104, my comment was expressing agreement with Nosebagbear, who wrote I'd be against the general change, but the "error in edit summary tag" is at least a possibility. I still think it's not too big an actual issue to need resolving, but i wouldn't object if something like the above was wanted. So I'm not a hard support or oppose, but I don't think we need to prioritize any changes, and my comment at VPR was expressing that. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:25, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Pomona College Organic Farm

On 1 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Pomona College Organic Farm, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the first superadobe earth dome (replacement pictured) at the Pomona College Organic Farm was built by students without authorization and was demolished by the college administration? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Pomona College Organic Farm. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Pomona College Organic Farm), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Trump lead links

I was going to say this "small" at Talk:Donald Trump#Best link for pandemic response, but it's meta to that discussion so it's probably better placed here.

Lead summarizes body. Many of the links in the lead are invitations to bypass the intermediate level of detail in the body that the lead summarizes. Don't pass Go, proceed directly from the highest to the lowest level of detail available at Wikipedia. I don't consider that the best way to serve readers' needs, and perhaps it would make more sense for those to link to sections in this article (even though That's Not How It's Normally Done). Then the opportunities to drill deeper would be made available in the sections (as they already are, for the most part). ―Mandruss ☎ 07:28, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Mandruss, hmm, linking from the lead to the body—that's quite an interesting thought! What you're saying makes sense—I do spend a bunch of time thinking about levels of detail, since it's often the main stumbling block to reducing the scourge of duplicative content (a pet peeve of mine because of all the wasted work it leads to). {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 07:44, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

It's something that just popped into my head tonight. We should let it percolate for a few weeks and maybe it could be brought to the ATP if we still think it's viable. ―Mandruss ☎ 07:55, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Public Art in Public Places for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Public Art in Public Places until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Barte (talk) 15:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Franklin La Du Ferguson

On 3 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Franklin La Du Ferguson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Pomona College's "missing president", Franklin La Du Ferguson (pictured), is the only past president not honored by the college with a portrait? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Franklin La Du Ferguson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Franklin La Du Ferguson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:01, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

"Xenophobia" citation

Hi there. Related to the COVID-19 pandemic lead's last sentence about xenophobia. For me, it is extraneous to add citation to such general claim that does not need citation(s). Appropriate citations have been cited in the COVID-19 pandemic's xenophobia section. Like I said in Talk:COVID-19 pandemic#Lead citation overkill, you don't need to cite sentences like "the pandemic has resulted in misinformation and conspiracy theories" if more specific claims and citations were given later on. As for "have you moved [other citations] to the body if they're good?", as I said, appropriate citations have been cited in their respective section. I also agree with User:Hzh saying: "a lot of the information [on the lead] are not contentious, we can probably remove [...] them or trim them," that is supported by WP:LEAD saying "[Leads] gives the [...] in a nutshell [...]—though not by teasing the reader or hinting at what follows." What do you think? Cheers, GeraldWL 05:15, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Gerald Waldo Luis, MOS:LEADCITE gives us a fair amount of flexibility. Given that that sentence was extremely controversial (look at the RfC in the archives if you want), I think it's good to retain the citation to discourage removal.

Regarding the other citations, per WP:PRESERVE, if there's a possibility some might be better than what we have in the body, I'd prefer to see them at least copied to the talk page rather than straight deleted. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

MOS:LEADCITE says "Because the lead [...] repeat information that is in the body, editors should balance the desire to avoid redundant citations in the lead [...] to aid readers in locating sources for challengeable material." In the xenophobia section there are more specific citations and more specific claims that may be challenged, so citing on solely "it has caused xenophobia" is too much. And then it says "Controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none." Although "The presence of citations in the [lead] is neither required [...] nor prohibited [...]," it would be best to remove redundant citations; who needs citation for a simple sentence? That is why I removed the UNESCO education percentage-- because the Education section has done the job.

And regarding WP:PRESERVE, if a sentence needs better sources and that the sources is the one I removed, it can be retrieves from the history log. I'll try fact-check some right now, Sunday's never a better day. Cheers, GeraldWL 06:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Cyrus G. Baldwin

On 7 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Cyrus G. Baldwin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that to raise desperately needed money, the first president of Pomona College, Cyrus G. Baldwin, built the first hydroelectric power station with high-voltage transmission in California in 1892? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Cyrus G. Baldwin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Cyrus G. Baldwin), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Growth team newsletter 14

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DYK for Bridges Hall of Music

On 7 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bridges Hall of Music, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the pipe organ of the Bridges Hall of Music at Pomona College consists of 3,519 pipes, and weighs 40,000 pounds (18,000 kg)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bridges Hall of Music. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Bridges Hall of Music), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:02, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 12

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Pacific Standard Time: Art in L.A., 1945–1980, you added links pointing to the disambiguation pages Museum of Contemporary Art, Frederick R. Weisman Museum of Art and Crossroads School.

(Opt-out instructions.) --DPL bot (talk) 07:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Resolved. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:43, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

User friendly templates

Hey. This discussion may interest you, as I believe you've had interest in some of these areas too. Also wondering if you've any experience with the particular templates raised you might be able to add there? Cheers! ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

ProcrastinatingReader, thanks for the pointer; replied there! Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace might be a place to go as well. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:44, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Will probably ask there at some point but slightly putting off widely advertising it; we've got some nice discussion currently. I'd notify particular editors, ideally some optimists, who might be interested but unfortunately not too sure who they'd be ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 00:40, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Beginner version

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안녕

안녕하세요.hello오댕 (talk) 02:42, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Re: Transcluding bookshelf at smaller size

Apologies for the very long time to reply! Unfortunately, I don't see a way of making the 'bookshelf significantly smaller. It's all done using tables with cells that a small number of pixels - any smaller, and the smaller parts wouldn't work because they can't be less one pixel in size. 12:50, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Example link on Cite news/doc points to dab page

In this edit, you added brackets to demonstrate a link, but that link would go to a disambiguation page. Can you please change the example to show it linking to a real source? I don't edit Template Data, having been verbally abused for doing so in the past. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:45, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Jonesey95, good catch! Done here, and sorry to hear that you've had bad experiences with TemplateData. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:38, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Help needed

As you're far better than I am at fixing templates, should you ever get a spare moment, could I ask you to take a look at this Teahouse template, used quite a bit for welcoming newly signed up Hosts?

I would really like to have it automatically signed by whoever substitutes the template, and to permit an optional message - all within the coloured box. I've been fiddling around with it at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host welcome, but have had to revert to leaving plain old add-on messages (like this), but that's not as elegant as I'm sure you could make it!

I would have copied over the code from Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host decline, but that one simply replaces the existing message with an optional new one, but I'm after the main message staying there, but with additional text added as well. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, done! Let me know if there are any issues with it working as intended. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you - that's just what I was after (big hugs!) Could a break be added so as to start the additional personal message on a new paragraph? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:36, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, does this do what you're looking for? Having the personal message be emphasized a little in some way is definitely good, since otherwise people may start reading the top and then assume the whole thing is a system message and possibly ignore it. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes, that's 100% perfect. Thanks a lot for doing this so quickly. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Template:Uw-pronoun

Hi Sdkb. I noticed you added Template:Uw-pronoun to Template:Single notice links‎. Are you planning to add it to Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace#Single-level templates and Wikipedia:Template index/User talk namespace/Single-level templates? --Bsherr (talk) 21:38, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Bsherr, yes, it probably should go on those pages, too. I have somewhat mixed feelings about the template itself (even though I created it), since while I do think it's important that people who default to male pronouns for everyone on Wikipedia be told that that's not okay and makes the project less welcoming to non-men, it needs to be done in a way that doesn't make it a huge deal and uses language that's soft enough that people won't react badly to it. I'm not sure if the template as written is quite soft enough yet, and I'd want that improved or at least considered before it became widely used. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:29, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you considered posting an inquiry about it at WT:UTM or WP:VPP, to get thoughts from others? But if you are documenting it in any one place, it should be documented in all the necessary places, to avoid confusion. --Bsherr (talk) 22:32, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Bsherr, I added it to the lists. Honestly, though, I don't think it's a good idea to have four different places (the navbox, those lists, plus the category system) that are each trying to be the definitive comprehensive database of the user warning templates on WP. There should only be one such place, since most template creators are not going to make sure their new template is added to each one, and maintaining four lists is four times the work of maintaining one.

Regarding further discussion, the forum I'd prefer to bring it up in is one focused on making women/non-binary people feel comfortable on WP. I'm not sure precisely where that would be, though. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:57, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

Open to suggestions on how to consolidate the navboxes/indices/categories. As for forum, I'm not aware of one specific to gender nondiscrimination in user interactions. If it exists, I'd be concerned it's not heavily watched. WT:UTM deals with friendliness of user warnings all the time, and even that has less participation than it once did. --Bsherr (talk) 02:14, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Random numbered subpages of Draft:Sample page.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Random numbered subpages of Draft:Sample page. Thank you.--Shirt58 (talk) 10:33, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Just came here to post this; looking for your input is all. If you had checked before now you wouldn't have found your name mentioned there, but you have been now. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 11:54, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Traditions of Pomona College

On 1 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Traditions of Pomona College, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that as one of its campus traditions, Pomona College reveres the number 47, having the bell in its clock tower chime on the 47th minute of the hour? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Traditions of Pomona College. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Traditions of Pomona College), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Trump diagnosis of COVID-19

The diagnosis belongs in the health section, not elsewhere. I will move the information there. --Zeamays (talk) 06:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Zeamays, we've been discussing it on the talk page, and the prevailing view so far is that it belongs in the COVID-19 section, so that's where it'll be for now. It's an hour or two after the announcement now; you should know to check the talk page before editing, and to bring up your views there, not on my talk page. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I did search the Trump article, before I added the info., but it's a very long article and the information already there was not in the logical place for it. Please be more courteous than to assume I didn't look. --Zeamays (talk) 08:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I may have jumped the gun

Hey Sdkb. I saw that Talk:COVID-19 pandemic#RFC: Misinformation visual had closed, so I updated item 13 in current consensus to reflect the outcome. A while ago I saw Wikipedia:Administrator's noticeboard#Request for review of non-admin close at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic#RfC: Misinformation visual, so if you want to revert my change, feel free. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:46, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, yeah, I figured that that's what happened; no worries. The AN discussion will determine the outcome, so I'll just leave it be for now. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 03:16, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

DYK for Bridges Auditorium

On 6 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Bridges Auditorium, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that when the 2,500-seat Bridges Auditorium was completed in Claremont, California, in 1931, its capacity was equal to the population of the entire city? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bridges Auditorium. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Bridges Auditorium), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:04, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

list of ali daei's international goals FL candidate

hi Sdkb. i've done many work on above article..how is it now?are you satisfied with it? I'd happy to be supported by you. Best regards--Mojtaba2361 (talk) 22:02, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Template:DYK humor

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Have not heard of arbitration

While trying to add the current event statement I was given a message. What are these discretionary sanctions and who should I talk to? https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=AcWEX9fFBoSKytMPj-yo4AQ&q=amy+coney+barrett&gs_ssp=eJzj4tVP1zc0TKmsqMrOMS4zYPQSTMytVEjOz0utVEhKLCpKLSkBAMHCC7M&oq=amy+c&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQARgAMg4ILhCxAxCDARDJAxCTAjIICAAQsQMQgwEyCAgAELEDEIMBMgIIADIICAAQsQMQgwEyCAgAELEDEIMBMggIABCxAxCDATIICAAQsQMQgwEyCAgAELEDEIMBMgIILjoLCC4QsQMQgwEQkwI6BQgAELEDOggILhDHARCjAjoICC4QsQMQgwE6CwguELEDEMcBEKMCOgsIABCxAxCDARDJAzoFCC4QsQNQXlikYmCDbmgAcAB4AIABUogB9wOSAQE3mAEAoAEBqgEHZ3dzLXdperABAA&sclient=psy-abPersonisgaming (talk) 21:06, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Personisgaming, your link is just a Google search, and I'm not sure why you're reaching out specifically to me (it looks like you've also asked Bluerasberry, who is also confused—you won't get far on Wikipedia unless you communicate clearly). To answer you as best I can, many pages under discretionary sanctions have edit notices that appear to all editors. If by "current event statement" you mean Template:Current, be aware that that template is often overused, and is not appropriate for most pages. For general help, you are always welcome to visit the Teahouse, a dedicated help space for new editors. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:15, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court nomination Event Tag

Is adding a current tag necessary. Which variant please specify?

Personisgaming (talk) 21:14, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

@Personisgaming: Okay, it's clearer what you're trying to do now. I replied to your additional post at Talk:Amy Coney Barrett Supreme Court nomination. Please be aware that it's generally not a good idea to start a discussion/question about the same thing in multiple places. You can use {{Please see}} if you are posting at an obscure page, but the Barrett nomination page is definitely not obscure. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:21, 12 October 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

		COVID-19 Barnstar
		Thank you for your work on trimming down COVID-19 pandemic, and all your COVID-related work in general! Ovinus (talk) 23:35, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Ovinus Real: Thanks so much; I appreciate it a lot! {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 02:19, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

Template change proposals question

Hello, I have seen you on TfD and other template related pages and I was wondering if there is somewhere I can propose a change to a template other than the talk page, since I want to add the incremental service awards to {{Service awards}} however I know I should get a consensus before doing any changes. But I doubt anyone is even watching the talkpage. Thanks. Terasail^[Talk] 16:06, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Terasail, Wikipedia_talk:Service_awards looks active enough; maybe post there? {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:48, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Ah, I forgot to check the Wikipedia talk page, thanks. Terasail^[Talk] 13:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Template Flux

I saw beleatedly the {{flux}} discussion, archived at

Redirects for discussion, August 23 2020

A point that was not made is that there typically are zero uses in the main space, and that the template it redirects to typically has under ten uses in main space at any one time, and sometimes zero.

Yellowdesk (talk) 16:49, 18 October 2020 (UTC)