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<small>(EM Gregory talk page stalker)</small> I note that EM Gregory self-reverted at about the time of the filing of this AE. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Har_Adar&diff=prev&oldid=802550379] I don't think waiting a few minutes before filing this would have killed anyone. [[User:Coretheapple|Coretheapple]] ([[User talk:Coretheapple|talk]]) 22:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
<small>(EM Gregory talk page stalker)</small> I note that EM Gregory self-reverted at about the time of the filing of this AE. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Har_Adar&diff=prev&oldid=802550379] I don't think waiting a few minutes before filing this would have killed anyone. [[User:Coretheapple|Coretheapple]] ([[User talk:Coretheapple|talk]]) 22:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)


====Statement by Huldra====
Well, since E.M.Gregory posted [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:E.M.Gregory&diff=prev&oldid=802548929 I don't know wht you're on about but, just go ahead and fix it. I'm logging off now.] (with the edit line ''fed up''): I don't blame Nableezy for filing a report. Nothing in E.M.Gregory reply indicated that he would self revert. That he has self reverted after that, is a pleasant surprise. Aaaaand, since E.M.Gregory has self reverted, I suggest we just end this report, Can someone just archive it, please? [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 23:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)
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    Resnjari

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
    Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

    Request concerning Resnjari

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Khirurg (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 05:36, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Resnjari (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBMAC :
    Resnjari persistently displays highly incivil behavior on Balkan-related topics, frequently making snide remarks, taunts and other forms of incivility. In addition, in February of this year I changed my user name due to privacy reasons, yet Resnjari persistnely brings it up, even though I have repeatedly told him not to do that. I can't think of any other explanation other than he does this intentionally, because he knows it bothers me.

    Taunting editors about past blocks. This is very common.

    1. "Anyway the more you comment here, i am not surprised by your block."
    2. "Probably no shock as to why you got blocked"
    3. "On blocks you have fine form over time"
    4. "who also has a history of past blocks"
    5. "and claim the usual edit warring gibberish. Whe\n he held the username ....., he had form in that area

    Yesterday, another Albanian user, Ilirpedia (talk · contribs) posted extremely offensive material on his userpage denigrating an entire ethnic group. I removed the material, and then Resnjari not only edit-warred to restore it, but he also referred to me as a troll:

    1. "do not feed the trolls

    Note that Ilirpedia has been blocked indef and User:Ymblanter deleted his userpage, so I can't provide diffs of edits of the userpage.

    Resnjari also persistently brings up my old username, even though I have repeatedly told him not to.

    1. "when he used the username...
    2. doubles down
    3. I tell him to stop
    4. his reaction

    This is nothing new, he's been doing this ever since I changed my username.

    1. [1]
    2. I tell him not to
    3. his response
    4. and again

    He also bad-mouths me to other editors, here he refers to me as "the usual types" "otherwise we get disruptive edits from the usual types"

    This behavior by Resnjari is persistent and has been going on as long as he has been editing Balkan topics ([2] [3]). Many of his comments are clearly intended to get under the skin of Greek editors without crossing the line into overt name calling. It has helped him avoid incivility blocks so far, but taken as a whole, his talkpage behavior contributes to a permanently charged and highly negative atmosphere to Balkan topics. Any discussion where Resnjari get involved quickly devolves into a circus where such snide remarks and taunts are bandied about. I find it particularly bothersome that when told not to do something that he knows bothers other editors, he doubles down.


    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. Recently blocked for edit-warring
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    Warned of sanctions

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    @@Sandstein:, you don't think some kind of civility parole or injunction from casting aspersions and revealing my old username is in order? Because if not, you can rest assured this behavior will continue unabated. You will also notice how he doesn't think there is anything wrong with his behavior.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [4]

    Discussion concerning Resnjari

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    Statement by Resnjari

    Apart from the character assassination provided by the filling editor, certain comments are cherry picked and taken out of context like:

    1. "Anyway the more you comment here, i am not surprised by your block."

    was in response to a discussion about Albanian Wikipedia. The editor in question said some unbecoming things [5], [6], [7], [8], [9] about Albanian wiki administrators (who were not informed of the discussion) accusing them of "extreme nationalism", "stubborn", "childish behavior", "childish excuses" and so on. That editor made their own block part of the discussion [10]. The editor also kept persisting with that wording and i said i was not surprised by their block by Albanian administrators. I did make offers to that editor for a solution [11] and did reach one with another Greek editor in a civil way [12], [13]. I am all for keeping civility in a discussion, but editors that cannot give a right of reply while having their reputations tarnished through allegations on other Wikipedia projects, what then of civility in that instance? On privacy issues, the filing editor has no qualms in bringing up issues over the past in reference to myself (as shown here), while sidelining his own behavior toward me due to him changing his username. Both accounts are linked and there is multiple edits of that kind. His past actions have been highlighted because they were uncivil like questioning my cognitive faculties, deleting my comments on talkpages when they violated no policy or guidelines -as it was in relation to dealing with POV related content in an article. Then there was calling my comments "rants" and even accusing me once of violating a 3rr rule and then had to withdraw because i did not. And that's just with me. To the filing editor, i ask how is that conducive to establishing good rapport? To the administrators, if i place links to all that evidence here, because it’s his old username will i get sanctioned? That is what he is inferring i guess. Or is a change of username considered a clean break? Those interactions of the very recent past with the filling editor, i found it all quite offensive.

    In the Ilirpedia case, the filing editor took unilateral actions of deletion instead placing something on the new editors talkpage so i personally thought it was a repeat of past interactions i have had with him. In the talkpage, the word "trolls" was in the sentence as i pasted the title and weblink to a wiki guideline which has that term in the title [14]. If its an issue, then Wikipedia itself should remove it. In the end i asked the administrator for advice and clarification on the matter, it was resolved [15]. I cannot go back in time and stop what happened and neither can he. All one can do, well on my part is reflect and importantly be careful in the future from now on. If i have caused offence within the Wikipedia community i sincerely apologise. My purpose over the nearly 10 years that i have been a Wikipedia editor is to above all else bring the quality of content on articles that i can make an actual contribution to a level befitting of an encyclopedia. That is my aim. I have only ever once been blocked in that whole time (for 24 hours) and it was over a trivial matter very recently, as is pointed out.

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Resnjari

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    • This is an underwhelming report, not much more than some snide comments. Taking into consideration the reply I don't see grounds for action here.  Sandstein  23:13, 22 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Tillman

    Blocked for one week. GoldenRing (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

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    Request concerning Tillman

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    HidariMigi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 07:30, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Tillman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive178#Tillman :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    • 7 September 2017 - On the Ross McKitrick bio, Tillman reverts “climate change denial” to “climate change skeptic” claiming, "Pejorative per WP:BLP" in line with a still on-going campaign to reframe denial as skepticism. On September 11, I pointed out on the Talk Page that the article is within the bounds of the climate change topic ban, and that his editing there was prohibited.
    12 September at 15:03, Frequent climate change tag team partner, editor Peter Gulutzan (talk · contribs), asks to remove the mention of “climate change skeptic” by reversion.
    Based on Tillman’s support, Gulutzan reverts the edit two hours later, noting “See talk page” as an attempt to demonstrate consensus.
    The scope of the climate change topic ban was again re-iterated to Tillman on 13 September.

    WP:CIV and threat of intimidation:

    1. 23 September 2017 - Tillman posts a personal attack directed at me on the Ross McKitrick Talk page (“Don't you have better things to do in your Real Life? Give this a break, OK?"); although he had already been advised that continuing to edit within that article, even on its talk pages, was a violation of his topic ban.
    1. 24 September 2017 - Receiving no reply in the day since his last comment, Tillman posts an threat on my User Talk page, stating he has “opened a file” on my behaviour; threatening that he is “considering filing a formal [BLP] complaint” against me which, "You won't find responding there to be much fun.” He further attempts some sort of chilling intimidation, "This would be a fine time (imo) for you to take a break from editing Ross McKitrick. I'll be watching."


    Editor Pete Tillman shows a continuing pattern of disruptive behaviour, attempting to skirt the indefinite topic ban against him, going back at least to last year:

    • 16 March 2016 Tillman attempts to obfuscate his intentions by claiming, "My edit had nothing to do with climate. NPOV for BLP. Thanks for your interest.”
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Pete Tillman has made a substantial number of contributions to Wikipedia, yet seems unable to keep himself from running afoul of controversy. He has an extensive history of tendentious editing on climate change, which has led to an indefinite sanction for articles dealing with those topics. His topic ban has not been appealed, and remains in force. However, and inexplicably, he still lists himself as being a member of the Climate Change Task Force.

    Balancing out his positive edits, he is habitually uncivil to editors he disagrees with, issuing threats to make things unpleasant for them (such as to myself, and for example, Jess, [16], [17]).

    Since he’s been a long-term and generally productive editor, I’m not sure what additional sanctions would help Mr. Tillman move past his counterproductive attitude, apart from having a time-out.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    25 September, 2017

    Discussion concerning Tillman

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    Statement by Tillman

    What appears to have brought this on: A note by me at the complainong editor's talk page, [18]:

    Your edits there appear to me to be directed at "proving your point" that Prof McKittrick is (in your words) is "not skepticism; full-on denial", rather than improving the biography.
    This sort of behavior has no place at WIkipedia, & especially not at a Biography of a Living Person. If you are not aware of the special rules that apply to these articles, please do your homework.
    I have opened a file on your aggressive behavior at that page (esp at the Talk page), and am considering filing a formal complaint at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. You won't find responding there to be much fun. This would be a fine time (imo) for you to take a break from editing Ross McKitrick. I'll be watching.

    I'd suggest that those interested in this request read editor HidariMigi remarks at the Ross McKitrick BLP talk page and following sections. My recent involvement there has been minimal. Respectfully, Pete Tillman (talk) 21:23, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Tillman

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.
    • These look pretty obvious topic ban violations to me; WP:BANEX allows only the most obvious BLP violations as exceptions, those "in which no reasonable person could disagree." It seems reasonably clear these edits aren't that obvious. My first reaction is to block for a week. On the other hand, this TBAN has been in place for a couple of years without obvious problems (at least, without being blocked for violating it) so possibly a warning would be sufficient. @Tillman: much will depend on your response here. GoldenRing (talk) 10:08, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    E.M.Gregory

    This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
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    Request concerning E.M.Gregory

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 22:00, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    E.M.Gregory (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel_articles_3#Motion:_ARBPIA_.22consensus.22_provision_modified :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Har Adar

    1. 19:39, 26 September 2017 Removes that this place is an Israeli settlement
    2. 20:14, 26 September 2017 Does so again after having been reverted.
    1. 18:06, 26 September 2017 Removes that it is a settlement
    2. 19:26, 26 September 2017 Again
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

    Topic banned May 2016

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    • Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on 24 April 2017
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    The remedy states If an edit is reverted by another editor, its original author may not restore it within 24 hours. That has happened at multiple articles, with E.M.Gregory declining to self-revert. E.M.Gregory is disruptively removing what nearly every single source says in the introduction of an article about this attack, that it took place in a settlement in the West Bank. He is removing from the article of the settlement that it is in the West Bank, using such completely asinine phrases like "pre-1967 Jordanian occupied terriory to describe its current status (for those wondering that's currently Israeli-occupied West Bank).

    This is not a complicated or POV issue. This place is a settlement, that is a factual statement backed up by countless sources. Things like saying it is partially in pre-1967 Jordanian occupied territory, cited to a source that says nothing of the sort (the source cited, which I added to try fix the issue for the record, says it fits a dual description of a settlement and a community, never once saying anything about Jordanian occupation, at all, with or without reference to the location of the territory), are, and I may be overly blunt here, propaganda. All this effort to scrub the words "West Bank" and "Israeli settlement" from an article. There is no dispute that this place is a settlement or that it is largely in the West Bank. None.

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    [19]


    Discussion concerning E.M.Gregory

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    Statement by E.M.Gregory

    Statement by Coretheapple

    (EM Gregory talk page stalker) I note that EM Gregory self-reverted at about the time of the filing of this AE. [20] I don't think waiting a few minutes before filing this would have killed anyone. Coretheapple (talk) 22:58, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

    Statement by Huldra

    Well, since E.M.Gregory posted I don't know wht you're on about but, just go ahead and fix it. I'm logging off now. (with the edit line fed up): I don't blame Nableezy for filing a report. Nothing in E.M.Gregory reply indicated that he would self revert. That he has self reverted after that, is a pleasant surprise. Aaaaand, since E.M.Gregory has self reverted, I suggest we just end this report, Can someone just archive it, please? Huldra (talk) 23:09, 26 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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    Result concerning E.M.Gregory

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