Wikipedia:Media copyright questions

Media copyright questions
Welcome to the Media Copyright Questions page, a place for help with image copyrights, tagging, non-free content, and related questions. For all other questions please see Wikipedia:Questions. How to add a copyright tag to an existing image On the description page of the image (the one whose name starts File:), click Edit this page. From the page Wikipedia:File copyright tags, choose the appropriate tag: For work you created yourself, use one of the ones listed under the heading "For image creators". For a work downloaded from the internet, please understand that the vast majority of images from the internet are not appropriate for use on Wikipedia. Exceptions include images from flickr that have an acceptable license, images that are in the public domain because of their age or because they were created by the United States federal government, or images used under a claim of fair use. If you do not know what you are doing, please post a link to the image here and ask BEFORE uploading it. For an image created by someone else who has licensed their image under an acceptable Creative Commons or other free license, or has released their image into the public domain, this permission must be documented. Please see Requesting copyright permission for more information. Type the name of the tag (e.g.; {{Cc-by-4.0}}), not forgetting {{ before and }} after, in the edit box on the image's description page. Remove any existing tag complaining that the image has no tag (for example, {{untagged}}) Hit Publish changes. If you still have questions, go on to "How to ask a question" below. How to ask a question To ask a new question hit the "Click here to start a new discussion" link below. Please sign your question by typing ~~~~ at the end. Check this page for updates, or request to be notified on your talk page. Don't include your email address, for your own privacy. We will respond here and cannot respond by email. Note for those replying to posted questions If a question clearly does not belong on this page, reply to it using the template {{mcq-wrong}} and, if possible, leave a note on the poster's talk page. For copyright issues relevant to Commons where questions arising cannot be answered locally, questions may be directed to Commons:Commons:Village pump/Copyright.
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Uploaded picture

Hi, I'm and I'm writing a wiki page for an individual. She gave me a jpg she took of herself in August, and I thought that I properly filled out the forms. I am having her send me an email validating that she is the owner (and photographer) and has given it to me for use.

I assume that such an email would be sufficient?

Thanks, SL — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slachutm (talk • contribs) 03:49, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Greetings. They could also publish it elsewhere (say on their personal website if they have one) and put a Wikipedia-compatible license tag on the image page.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:23, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Besides publishing the image elsewhere they can also send their email to the OTRS team by following the procedure found at WP:CONSENT which contains the accepted text for their permission email. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 10:30, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

User-generated image issue

An editor created the image File:Cordlesslarrybffjpg.jpg and, following some previous advice I had given them, tagged it with the cc-by-sa-3.0 licence. However, the image was still tagged for deletion. It was only created to thank me on my user talk page, but could someone indulge my vanity and explain what, if anything, needs to be done to address the tag? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:18, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

You need to answer the questions in the tag, first and foremost.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:25, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

The image was created by Asdiprizio, who uploaded it. I would have thought the fact that they gave it a cc-by-sa-3.0 tag would make this clear, but perhaps not? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, the bot cannot tell that. Also, for reuse purposes images need to have this information on the file page.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 17:34, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Jo-Jo Eumerus. So can I add that information, or does Asdiprizio need to do it? Cordless Larry (talk) 17:36, 22 September 2015 (UTC)

this photo it's related to me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohammednafea (talk • contribs) 10:24, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Cordlesslarrybffjpg.jpg? Are you sure, Mohammednafea? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Cordless Larry. I don't think Mohammednafea was referring to that particular image. I believe they were trying to ask a question about images they were trying to upload per my suggestion in User talk:Mohammednafea#Wikipedia's image use policy. They seem to be a fairly new user who might not be too familiar with how to post on noticeboards such as MCQ. - Marchjuly (talk) 02:16, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly, I sort of suspected that. They now seem to have been blocked for persistent copyright violations.

Cordless Larry (talk) 06:43, 24 September 2015 (UTC) hi and thank you once again gallant knight Sir Cordless Larry. I must say it surprised me that anyone cared about a nearly non-existent newby and I had dashed off mildly harmed by a user calling himself Dennis who deleted my user page in Wikipedia Commons. in fact he deleted every image I posted and wikipedia, once a wonderland, nearly anarchic but "not an experiment" in such, became a hinterland and I was banished from Commons {bot warned not to attempt to re-animate my userpage in commons-topia. and there is my tale of woa/whoa. I have not returned but for this. a dear stranger now friend, Cordless Larry who should live in Wiki Commons forever in whatever copyrighted land he desires. because is the personal not also political, said the jester to the community-is-king. Asdiprizio (talk) 16:03, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Picture for article

I have a picture which I want to add to one of my Raja Changez Sultan, its in user space right now. I know the artist personally and I asked his permission to use an image of his painting for the article, he agreed and said I could download an image from his facebook page, is that acceptable copy right wise? Can I upload the image?Poochi22 (talk) 16:07, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Not unless the permission permits to sell and modify the work without having to ask for extra allowance. Only free images are allowed in userspace.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 16:27, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

All you need to do is email this link [1] to your friend and ask him to email off the form giving his declaration of consent to: >permissions-commons@wikimedia.org< It is all explained there.--Aspro (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

1924 lobby cards

I'm used to dealing with {{PD-US}} material when working with silent films, and I'd just like someone to spotcheck my train of logic before I upload 1924 material:

1. The lobby cards for the 1924 It Is the Law unquestionably lack a printed copyright notice, and so would seem to qualify for {{PD-Pre1978}}. Even if there was a copyright notice that was somehow removed or overlooked (and there's not), there was no registration, and provably no renewal in 1951/2. Done and done, right? Well...
2. However, frames from the film would be derivative works, and the copyright conditions of the film would attach. In this case, It Is the Law had its copyright renewed in 1952.
3. However again, contemporary film stills are not actually scenes from the film itself; that is, they were taken from separate cameras, and typically were staged before or after the actual scenes were recorded. In this case, it is impossible to explicitly demonstrate this, but no reasonable question remains. If nothing else, color stills for a black-and-white film ought to provide a clue that these aren't just taken directly from the film frames! Nevertheless, some aspects of the characters' appearance and staging may have elements of the film's copyright attached.
4. Finally, in this case, the film itself is a derivative work of a play (itself potentially the derivative of an earlier printed work), but everything prior to the 1924 movie release was pre-1923 and unquestionably public domain due to age.

Clearly, I can down-sample the image and upload it locally as {{Non-free promotional}} material, but given the paucity of anything surviving related to this work, I'd rather not have to do that. I'm fairly certain that the lack of copyright notice/registration/renewal associated with the cards is sufficient to declare them public domain material, but Warner Bros. Entertainment v. X One X Productions makes me question whether I can say that (especially with respect to the project's licensing policies); it is entirely possible that the cards themselves are in the public domain but that not all possible commercial derivative works of those cards are equally free of copyright obligations if they "incorporate aspects of the characters developed solely" in the film. Is that my responsibility to deal with as prospective uploader, or does the burden rest on the reusing party, or can we all just pretend that Warner Bros. Entertainment v. X One X Productions doesn't exist because the governing jurisdiction of Wikipedia is not the Eighth Circuit? Squeamish Ossifrage (talk) 19:44, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Fixing copyright of photos

Hi,

Below are the issues that have come up for the two pages I've worked on. Wondering how to go about fixing these, thanks!:

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.jpeg[edit source] File Copyright problem Thanks for uploading File:Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.jpeg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status and its source. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously.

If you did not create this work entirely yourself, you will need to specify the owner of the copyright. If you obtained it from a website, please add a link to the page from which it was taken, together with a brief restatement of the website's terms of use of its content. If the original copyright holder is a party unaffiliated with the website, that author should also be credited. You will also need to state under what licensing terms it was released. Please refer to the image use policy to learn what files you can or cannot upload on Wikipedia. The page on copyright tags may help you to find the correct tag to use for your file.

Please add this information by editing the image description page. If the necessary information is not added within the next days, the image will be deleted. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem.

Please also check any other files you may have uploaded to make sure they are correctly tagged. Here is a list of your uploads. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Eeekster (talk) 20:37, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Rajan Navani[edit source] Ambox warning yellow.svg The article Rajan Navani has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Cahk (talk) 20:23, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

License tagging for File:Rajan Navani.jpg[edit source] Thanks for uploading File:Rajan Navani.jpg. You don't seem to have indicated the license status of the image. Wikipedia uses a set of image copyright tags to indicate this information.

To add a tag to the image, select the appropriate tag from this list, click on this link, then click "Edit this page" and add the tag to the image's description. If there doesn't seem to be a suitable tag, the image is probably not appropriate for use on Wikipedia. For help in choosing the correct tag, or for any other questions, leave a message on Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. Thank you for your cooperation. --ImageTaggingBot (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

To release Ambassador Col. Baba Daya SIngh Bedi's photograph on the wikipedia page

Dear Ma'am / Sir,

Please share the document / form to be filled whereby I may verify the copyright status of the picture so that it may be uploaded on the webpage. I admit I am not very tech savvy so a simple step by step procedure would be of great help.

This picture was taken by Baba Aridaman Singh Bedi in 1957 and on his passing away, the copyright belongs to his widow, Mrs. Avinash Kaur Bedi.

I look forward hearing from you.

With warm regards,

Sunamika Preeti Singh 9810631031 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunamikapreeti (talk • contribs) 07:55, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

@Sunamikapreeti: Greetings. The copyright holder needs to release it under a free license. Check out WP:Donating copyrighted materials for more details.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 08:00, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

Copyright of Image not found

Dear Sir/Mdm,

I found a picture on a bio page on http://www.worldcitiessummit.com.sg. However, the image info does not specify who the picture belongs to. I found that it has been used on several other bio pages. May I know how do I label this image? I've uploaded it, but wiki says that it will be deleted if the copyright information is not provided.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiwak991 (talk • contribs) 09:20, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I presume you are talking about File:YapKwongWeng Media Cover Image.jpg, your only upload that I can see, though the linked page does not show that image. The "All rights reserved" and "©" copyright symbol at the bottom of the page should be a clue for you. Unless the image you want to use is expressly shown to be freely licenced then, in the vast majority of cases, it is copyright to someone and we cannot use it and having been uploaded will be deleted unless the copyright owner gives permission. You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page to see some of the issues such image encounter. ww2censor (talk) 11:17, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

UN global goals logo

I wish to use the logo of the UN global goals on Sustainable development goals - can I do this and if so can someone help me upload? JMWt (talk) 18:55, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

• A wider question is whether the licensing of the current image, File:Logo of the United Nations Conference on Sustainable Development.jpg, is inaccurate given that it does not appear to fall into any of the categories on the {{PD-UN}} licensing template. I presume the logo you are referring to is this one? If so, it dovetails nicely into the conversation about the accuracy of the above license. Further, do you intend on replacing the current image on the article with the one you propose? --Hammersoft (talk) 19:01, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

that's right, I am suggesting replacing the existing logo with the correct one. The link I gave above is to the license on their website, if that makes any difference.JMWt (talk) 19:18, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

• Given that, the asset license makes it clear the logo is not compatible with our free license standards, and would have to be tagged as non-free. I concur it should replace the currently used logo (which is about an event, not the organization). --Hammersoft (talk) 19:27, 25 September 2015 (UTC)

I'm not clear if that means I can upload it or not.. JMWt (talk) 06:06, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Surely this is a clear example where {{PD-textlogo}} applies? It only comprises some blocks of colour arranged in a circle and some plain text. ww2censor (talk) 10:18, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Can someone give me the help link for uploading this kind of image? I'm not used to using non-free images which are not on the commons.JMWt (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

File's description page

How do I change information on a file's description page? (This is regarding Copyright ownership of a image I uploaded) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithr32 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Just edit the file description page. The edit buttons are on the top bar.Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 13:42, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Just click on the edit button at the top of the image page, BUT it looks like this is a copyright image as tineye finds 199 copies online, including one on this NBC News webpage that clearly attributes it to Microsoft. So, I've go to ask, who took the photo and did they give you a free licence to use it? If the answer is no, then it will be deleted. ww2censor (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Orphaned Image Question

I had written a draft article about an Artist – Susan Eleanor Boulet (Susan Seddon Boulet) – in my own personal Wikipedia space; it was here: User:Mbabco/Susan Eleanor Boulet (Susan Seddon Boulet) . I subsequently moved it to here: Draft:Susan Eleanor Boulet (Susan Seddon Boulet)

I added some images of her art work under Fair use and received this message: However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia." The following tag was added to the top of the file: di-orphaned fair use|date=24 September 2015}}

What do I need to do to let the bot know it IS in an article. I can't find a list of tags that I might add to replace the {{di-orphaned one above nor can I find a way to notify whoever needs to know that it is in an article.

Any help is appreciated. Apologies if I overlooked the info somewhere. I'm new to Wikipedia and just learning to navigate things. I've placed it in this area because the issue seems related to the fact that I'm requesting fair-use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mbabco (talk • contribs) 21:16, 26 September 2015

Well the images you uploaded are derivative works and so require both a copyright licence for the photo and for the artwork itself. Unfortunately you have neither. The artist has not been dead ling enough for her work to have fallen into the public domain, so her heirs would need to give you permission to use any image taken by you or others under a free licence that we accept. You claim the use of these images as "fair use" but we have a much stricter standard for non-free image which must comply with all 10 non-free media content policy guidelines because of our goal of providing only free content, as in copyright free. Some language wikis do not allow any copyright media at all. Generally you may see the use of one image in an artists article to show an example of their work but any image will really need some critical commentary about the work or its style, preferable sourced by reliable third parties which is an acceptable non-free use. You may need to find out where some of her images are and take a photo yourself, so the photo can be released by you under a free licence but the painting will still be a non-free image for which a rationale can be written. BTW, we do not allow the use of non-free image on any pages that are not mainspace, so until your article goes live any such image will be deleted. ww2censor (talk) 23:02, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

File:Pyotr Genrikhovich Tiedemann and Adelaida Mikhailovna Skriabin.PNG

Is the above photo, taken in 1902, in the public domain? It was almost certainly taken in Russia. The caption in the source says "(Photo: O. F. German)", which I take to be the photographer. Unfortunately, it's almost impossible to search a name like "O. F. German" online. It is unclear from the source if the photo was merely among the personal effects of the man in the photo and never before published prior to 1995, but it seems likely. Srnec (talk) 23:49, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

If the photograph was first published in 1995, then the copyright expires 70 years after the death of 'O. F. German' or on 1 January 2048, whichever is later. See c:COM:HIRTLE. --Stefan2 (talk) 09:50, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Designer Margaret Howell.jpg

Hello, I have uploaded an image to 'Margaret Howell' but just received an email stating 'Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Designer Margaret Howell.jpg' I'm not quite sure how to solve this. The image is not my image, but I have referenced the image - and have included a link of where it came from. Please could you talk me through what I need to do incase the image is taken down? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steph Davies (talk • contribs) 2015-09-28T12:37:56‎

There is no evidence that the depicted person is dead. Per WP:NFC#UUI §1, you will need to provide evidence of this or see the picture deleted. --Stefan2 (talk) 21:06, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Do Public Domain Images require credits?

I upload the image (Baitul Futuh) around 8 years ago and didn't know anything about copyright and simply put it as public domain. Now due to recent events and generally a lot of different websites are using my photo without permission, which I think is correct as it is in the public domain. However, are you allowed to use these photos without crediting the author? I've seen it even in TV Commercials recently without anything ever mentioning my name. Thanks.--195.212.199.56 (talk) 13:47, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately yes, PD removes any sense of ownership or crediting because the public owns the image for all purposes, and there's unfortunately little that can be done now. However, if you do submit again, you can use the Creative Commons licensing which is as good for us in terms of free-ness of images, but also gives you appropriate copyright acknowledgement (particularly CC-BY - that your contribution is required to be documented somehow). --MASEM (t) 14:02, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Can I change the licence now or would it have to be deleted and uploaded again? I'm not thinking of deleting and uploading it because I was the first one to upload it and that evidence would be gone if I was to remove it. So, is changing the licence allowed/possible? The 'damage' has been done, but I would like to prevent any new articles from using my image without credit. Is there any way I can do this? --195.212.199.56 (talk) 14:15, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

I know you technically can but I don't know if that can legally stick - the cat's out of the bag to speak. It might have some use it from now on with attribution but someone that really wants to use the image can likely find the PD version and use that. --MASEM (t) 14:21, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

• Attribution rules vary from country to country. In many countries, it is mandatory to attribute the author in many situations at least until the copyright expires due to moral rights. Copyright is normally mandatory and can't be cancelled by uploading a file with a {{PD-self}} template, but expires a number of years after the death of the photographer, and you are obviously not dead yet. The {{PD-self}} template acts as a licence which allows people to do a lot with the picture. However, the author's possibilities to license the moral rights tends to be limited, and there might be situations in some countries where the author can't grant a licence which allows people to use the picture without attribution, at least not in the form of a general licence such as {{PD-self}}. --Stefan2 (talk) 20:37, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. I guess there isn't much that can be done now. I just need to make sure I pay more attention when uploading images in the future. --195.212.199.56 (talk) 08:41, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Requesting access to flickr photos

I want to use this photo for Alberto Moreno. However the picture says all rights reserved. I have a flickr account. How exactly should I go about requesting to the user/owener of the image if I can use the image? thanks--Shreerajtheauthor (talk) 23:53, 28 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi Shreeraitheusthor. You might find the information you're looking for at Wikipedia:Example requests for permission. If you do get in contact with the copyright holder, then you might suggest they check out Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials so that they understand what a "free license" means. Another thing to try is to post a request for a photo of Alberto Moreno (footballer) at c:Commons:Picture requests. It's quite possible that somebody there can take a photo of Moreno for you and upload it to Commons. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:05, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

In Flickr each user has a contact point, listed under the "More" button as Flickrmail. You can them to change the licence to one we accept but don't hold your breath as I have waited over a year for a positive reply and some never reply. If that fails and even so it may be a more fruitful option to find a freely licenced image of Alberto Moreno elsewhere or dig deeper on Flickr. Have you seen this image on the commons; File:Alberto Moreno.jpg? ww2censor (talk) 09:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Book cover art from author's site?

Just double-checking, but is it acceptable to use cover art for a novel which the author has on their personal website? I'm looking for an image for an article draft I'm currently working on, and the other Wikipedia articles about books in the series have all gotten them from this one site. I just want to be sure, though, and I can't find any way to contact the author to ask for her permission (though I suspect the publisher owns the rights anyway, and I can't find the right contact info for them either). Thanks in advance. 2ReinreB2 (talk) 06:17, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Hi 2ReinreB2. Book and album covers, etc. are often uploaded locally to English Wikipedia as non-free content. You may be able to do the same if the cover you wish to use satisfies Wikipedia's non-free content criteria. Please note, however, that all 10 of the criteria need to be satisfied and that criterion number 9 (WP:NFCC#9) states that non-free content may only be used in the article namespace. In other words, non-free content cannot be used in drafts, on userpages, on talk pages, etc. Therefore, I highly recommend that you wait until your article has been accepted before uploading the cover to Wikipedia if you decide to go the non-free route. For reference, "non-free" on Wikipedia typically refers to content which is protected by copyright or only made available subject to certain restrictions imposed by the original copyright holder, whereas "free" generally refers to content which has been freely licensed for use by anyone for any purpose. Neither word on Wikipedia is related to the cost or lack thereof associated with procuring the image. So, even if you can download the image "free of charge", it may (and often likely is) considered to be "non-free" for Wikipedia purposes. - Marchjuly (talk) 07:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

You should also be aware that non-free book covers are generally only acceptable in articles about that title and not in the author's article, but from your contributions it looks like you are improving actual book articles, so you should be ok. When you do upload the image make sure to use both a fully completed {{Non-free use rationale book cover}} and a {{non-free book cover}} template (click on the links to see how to use them). ww2censor (talk) 10:08, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that clears up my questions. I was planning to wait until after the article was completed and passed review (fingers crossed); now I'll be sure to. 2ReinreB2 (talk) 22:58, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Another possibility, is that as the author has a website he may well included a link where you can contact him – authors love feed-back. Ask him if he is willing to email and ask the artist (who designed the cover) click on this link: [2] and email in a OTRS to us. Pointing out that artists love to get examples of their work to a larger audience, and to have just 'one' book cover artwork placed on a Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International copyright license is a win-win situation for all. The artist, the author, Wikipedia, Wikimedia et, al. Try it .--Aspro (talk) 23:52, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Another thought, is to think out side the box. For instance, We have an article on the John Rocco who does brilliant covers for authors like Rick Riordan. If you wanted to request an OTRS off of him for instance, you could leave a message on the Talk:John Rocco talk page and hope that he may see it. Everybody reads Wikipedia and creative people are no diffrent. They are rightfully proud of what they do and often like to see some feed-back. So, if we have an article on the artist that create the cover that your looking for, he may well be looking at it and reply – or maybe he won't. Yet, at least ask. Actual, John Rocco is a good example as we have no examples of his work. It maybe that he controls his work very closely because this is his livelihood. However, we can guarantee that he can retain his copyright to anything uploaded under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International.--Aspro (talk) 01:03, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

The monkey selife...

It's in the news again but more importantly, it's in a song... http://gabrielquotes.org.uk/2015/09/29/morley-academy/#monkeyselfie --Gabrielquotes (talk) 09:06, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

• Err... Is this a question? Or does it need hating. COI disclaimer to explain my disgust: This ruddy monkey takes better photos than I can.--Aspro (talk) 01:09, 30 September 2015 (UTC)