Talk:Colonel Sanders/Archive 1

Archive 1

Comment from deleted comments subpage

The article contains useful information about the subject. However, the article needs verification. There seems to be some references under books and external links, but they are not tied to any statements. Please see WP:CITE. Alan.ca 16:03, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Names

It seems unclear whether it should be "Harland" or "Harlan".

It is "LOinel", but most of the time, when it was pronounced,

the "D" was silent. Rogerd 03:42, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Rogerd is correct...If you REALLY want to verify this, enter Sanders' first and last name here, in the social security death index: http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/4.247.143.203 02:14, 20 November 2006 (UTC)Deej

Pictures

The pictures seem redundant. I say we replace one of them with an actual portrait of him. --BDD 16:49, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC)

looks like the first one was used in the KFC article. what say we put the portrait in its place?

Reverts

I'm trying to get rid of a bunch of repeated sections in this article but Acroterion reverted it back using the "Twinkle" program (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:TWINKLE). Can someone tell me what is going on and why the page cleanup is being reverted? Squirrelfisher 21:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism?

Are the references in the article to racism vandalism? If they aren't they really need some reference or at least some justification. --Murphoid 06:19, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

I just reverted a similar claim that had just been inserted by 209.247.5.57 . This may be worth keeping an eye on. Lordrosemount (talk) 09:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Drunk quote

I've heard a quote attributed to him: "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken." Is there any truth to this?

Didn't he become Vegetarian before his death, renouncing his former career?

• No! Er Wer Schreib Es (talk) 05:28, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Didn't he die poor?

I heard he died with almost no money. The company which bought his franchise got most of the money from him.

Was he a Real Colonel?

Was he a real Colonel? I read he served in the Navy, which has no rank of Colonel.

He's a "Kentucky colonel", an honor bestowed by the Kentucky Governor, if I remember correctly. Not dissimilar to a knight in England. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 01:53, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think this interesting aspect of his name should be elaborated on in the article Ewlyahoocom 19:34, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

So he's a Colonel like the music business Colonel?. Im shocked, i really thought he was a colonel!

Page move

I moved the article to Colonel Sanders from Harland Sanders, as the name by which Sanders is commonly known. - Vague |

Sounds like an advertisment

Hate to say this, but most of the article sounds like an advert on how great the man was, something like an official biography would say. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 81.129.111.85 (talk • contribs) 16:07, April 28, 2005.

But it's about an American! It HAS to be aggrandized! -Barcode711 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.210.16.76 (talk) 04:45, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

Born-again Christian

The following was just added by an anonymous contributor:

Shortly before his death, Sanders became a born-again Christian; after attending a McDuff Brothers gospel concert.

Pending a source for this, I've taken it out of the article. — Stevie is the man! ^{Talk | Work} 04:13, May 26, 2005 (UTC)

• I have a record somewhere of the McDuff brothers, that has advertisements for other records on it... one of the records advertised is of Colonel Sanders giving his testimony... I do not own this record but know it exists, therefore I will revert the article to reflect the fact of Colonel Sanders' Christianity, as I have seen proof of its truth.Er Wer Schreib Es (talk) 05:13, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• • Have found even better evidence to back this up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlC5e7rCbPM Er Wer Schreib Es (talk) 05:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Nightmares

Colonel Sanders scared me when I was a little girl. I used to have nightmares about him. I called him "the hotman" back then. It was way scary. User talk:Angie Y. 02:15, Jul 01, 2005 (UTC)

funny, when I was a kid I thoght he was a headless monster(cause how the icon of him looks).

Yeah? Angie Y. 22:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Not really an advertisement

This is just the little life story thing taken from KFC.com and reworded a little, no wonder it's just making out that he's and "all american hero"

11 Herbs and Spices?

There is little doubt that Sander's chicken had the 11 herbs and spices. But according to a book titled Big Secrets, an analysis was done and it is believed they're no longer (all) in there, some of them replaced with MSG.

Actually, the book says the only spices in the breading in the mid-80s (when it was writteN) were black pepper, salt, sugar (!) and MSG. --Jfruh (talk) 12:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

So why does the article still say that the recipe is "one of the best-kept secrets in business"? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wcoynelloyd (talk • contribs) 06:02, 8 May 2007 (UTC).

far more importantly, the article itself is self-contradictory, as one section says that the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices are "still used today", while another says that "only salt, black pepper, and MSG" are in use. Someone needs to make up their mind. 204.97.183.31 15:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Sanders and Dave Thomas

64.123.238.45 (talk · contribs) added the following, which I reverted:

after being sold to Dave Thomas, and re-sold back to Mr. Sanders for over a million dollars in which Mr. Thomas used to start his Wendys franchise which became even bigger then KFC.

According to Wendy's web site [1], Thomas at one point owned four franchises in the Columbus, Ohio area, certainly not the entire chain, which would have been worth much more than a million dollars. --Rogerd 02:30, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation?

A search for "Sanders" leads directly to this page. Granted Colonel Sanders might be the most famous bearer of the surname, but there are other notable people who share it as well. IMO a disambiguation page would be preferable. 69.196.138.93 22:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

This Article should be expanded

This article is in need of attention and needs to be expanded. For Pete's sake, he only founded one of the world's largest franchises, and is an international cult figure! Эйрон Кинни 00:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The biography by John Pearce contains a lot of information. I don't have time to work on it tonight, so feel free to look up the book and beat me to it :-) Rbean 06:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Trivia

• In Japan, the Colonel is known as "Mister Fried Chicken" and often has a Japanese face with the Colonel's trademark glasses, suit, and beard.

Pending a verifiable source, this has been removed. Considering that I have lived in Japan for years and never heard anything remotely like this, I doubt a verifiable source can be found. The closest I've heard is the nickname "Colonel ojisan" ('ojisan' approx. means middle-aged gentleman).

• in tenacious d's 2006 tour, Sanders appeared in hell, because of him killing so many chickens, and he got recruited as the drummer for the band

i went to the new york concert on friday and saw it

What's My Line?

I added trivia that the Colonel appeared on the game show What's My Line. I left out this quote from after his job was revealed that shows his determination to promote his product: "You never heard of finger-lickin' good Kentucky Fried Chicken? Kentucky Fried Chicken is different than ordinary fried chicken. There's eleven different spices and herbs and a patented method of frying. We have over 900 outlets, all the way from Honolulu to Black Pool in London and Manchester England, all across the continent, all selling... And wherever you see a picture of this mug of mine, you know you're going to get good food -- at least good chicken!"

If anyone thinks it belongs somewhere, feel free to use it TheHYPO 04:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

It's either misquoted, or the Colonel didn't know his British geography - Blackpool is in North West England, and is nowhere near London ;-) AdorableRuffian 19:34, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Article

Guys the section on trivia is longer than the rest about him. That's a little sad on the main page, I recommend that the article be broken off. Called like Colonel Sanders in pop culture or something and leave a redirct from the main page something like {{ Main| Colonel Sanders in pop culture }} I'll do it if no one else will. Outside Center 17:28, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Dead?

Who was the person that came on Big Brother if Colonel Sanders is dead?

An impersonator. FireSpike 19:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

I say you he dead! >:| 216.162.76.45 (talk) 21:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

No, no, I'm looking for THE COLONEL--192.75.71.133 (talk) 01:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Trivia section

Per WP:AVTRIV, I propose that we delete the trivia section, or severely pare it down. --rogerd 19:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think that this section really is largely cultural references to Colonel Sanders. I think much of this material could go into its own article. I say this because Col. Sanders is a significant cultural icon, and thus a subarticle on a subject like this isn't out of the question. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

I moved it to a separate article, which was subsequently deleted because it was deemed unencyclopedic. Please do not re-insert this cruft back into the main article. --rogerd 21:25, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Confusing

He appeared in many of his company's television commercials between the 1950s and 1970s (with his and KFC's slogan "Finger-lickin' good"), and remained outspoken about the quality of the KFC product, often with a lively vocabulary. In 1975 a libel lawsuit was filed against Harland Sanders by Kentucky Fried Chicken for his comments, including calling the gravy "sludge" and the mashed potatos "wallpaper paste". The suit was unsuccessful, and he continued to speak out when he felt the quality of the business he founded waned.

This isn't particular clear and is a bit confusing. At first it sounds like he supportive of the (high) quality of KFC throughout his life but it becomes clear that at some stage he began to feel the quality had waned and spoke out against it. It's not particularly clear when this occured (although we can assume it was after 1970 and before 1975 and whether he remained opposed to it to the end of his life (which wasn't much longer after 75 of course). Nil Einne 08:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Here Here

Here here I agree absolutely. He is such a hero he has done so much for the world thank you Mr. Sanders thank you.

Name

Since the man's name was Harland Sanders, I suggest that the title of the article be changed accordingly, and that Colonel Sanders be redirected there. Fishhead64 20:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Actually, it was renamed to this last year [2], but I think you are right. Articles about people with military titles (i.e. Mark Clark, William Westmoreland, John Pershing, T. Michael Moseley, Ronald Keys) are titled by the name only. Some will argue that in this case Colonel is not a military title (and it isn't), and that is what he was known by. I would say that the people I listed are usually known as General X, also. --rogerd 22:07, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

It seems to have been moved without discussion. Unless there is widespread objection, I will move it back to his actual name, per wikipedia practice (as you noted). Fishhead64 16:40, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

possible copyright infringement - Path to global recognition

This section is the exact replica of the history of KFC written on walls of various KFC restaurants here in the Philippines. I just ate at KFC - Rockwell Mall last night and read this word-per-word statement! KathzzZz^{cHat | siGn heRe} 03:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Maybe... OR MAYBE THEY COPIED IT FROM US!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.10.227.130 (talk) 19:06, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Non-Commercial Tv appearances?

Ther was an episode of "Little House on the Prairie" Where Nellie's Restaurant gets converted to a fast food joint where they only have three different meals.

At the end of the episode, a person who looks like Col. Sanders rolls up in a wagon and pitches the idea of a restaurant that only serves fried chicken. I've always wondered if that really was Col. Sanders of it he was an impersonator. I don't remember when the episode aired. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bizzybody (talk • contribs) 05:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC).

It was an actor and the character was billed as "bearded man". See the Little House on the Prairie (TV series) page for details.

Inspirational?

I often hear the story of Colonel Sanders being turned down 1009 times before selling his recipe (while driving across the country, sleeping in his car!). Could anyone verify this statement?

Claudia Sanders link

I removed a link to Claudia Sanders Dinner House, a restaurant that Col Sanders sold to some other company some time back. The link doesn't seem relevant to this biographical article or appropriate per WP:EL. Someone restored the link without explanation so I took it out again. If someone wants to reinsert it could they please explain the reasons here. 64.160.39.153 19:52, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

KKK

Several times I've heard the rumor that Sanders left a considerable sum to the KKK after his death. Snopes even has an article debunking it. Perhaps it warrants mention?--209.243.31.233 21:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

If it has been debunked then it doesn't warrant mentioning. I'm from Kentucky and have never heard that rumor. All you would be doing is propagating a false rumor. What's the point in that? Talmage 04:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm from Australia and I have also heard that Sanders was a racist. particularly when it came to African Americans, This could be a combination of the poor treatment of blacks and slave labor of that particular era; and his trademark white suit. A false rumour? Interesting how it has managed to propagate down under Safez (talk) 10:23, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Commercial writing?

"Over the next nine years, he perfected his method of cooking chicken that used the same eleven herbs and spices that are used today at KFC."

I feel this and other bits of the article display a style you might see in a short commercial history article on kfc.com rather than being encyclopedic or neutral. Doesn't it deserve a warning label?

Einaraxel 20:42, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

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Colonel Sanders at Twin Teepees restaurant in Seattle?

Numerous sources indicate that Harland Sanders managed the Twin Teepees restaurant in Seattle, WA at or around 1941-1942. Some go so far as to claim that he perfected his chicken recipe while working there.

http://parkprojects.com/2000news/0008aug/hstteepees.html

https://digital.lib.washington.edu/php/architect/record.phtml?type=structure&structureid=8697&lcountry=USA&lstateprov=WA&lcity=Seattle

http://www.historylink.org/essays/output.cfm?file_id=2890

Some of these sources say that it may be apocryphal information, however, and the KFC timeline http://www.kfc.com/about/history.asp doesn't mention anything about it. Has this been debunked already, and if not, should it be added to the article? Alucinor 23:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Fraternity

The article claims Sanders dropped out of school before he was a teenager, yet he was somehow able to go to college to join a fraternity. Which of the two facts is false? (Neither is sourced) Laïka 12:34, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

He actually recieved membership into the Pi Kappa Alpha Fraternity —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jnpayn01 (talk • contribs) 04:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Sales Legend

There's a story that he trawled 1009 restaurants over 2 years trying to do a split-revenue deal for his recipe before he got a "yes". Where does that fit into his biog here? EdX20 00:52, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

PETA

The PETA propaganda that consistently is put in this article needs to stop. Colonel Sanders had not abused chickens the way KFC allegedly does, and the piece of the gravestone PETA placed next to his, was not only a despicable act, but it also serves no purpose here. Roaddogg34 (talk) 22:34, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

I think that this is a legitimate part of his legacy, at least as much so as his alleged "secret spices." Other famous people, such as Adolf Hitler have a grave marker with unfaltering text shown in their Legacy sections? I don't for a minute mean to compare Harlan Sanders with Adolf Hitler, just two wiki articles about famous people.Bob98133 (talk) 01:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I've returned the first half (the half with a citation) of that paragraph. The gravestone itself may be PETA propaganda, but covering the mere fact it exists surely is not. — maestrosync ^{talk&contribs}, 07:06, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

The gravestone surely is propaganda. As far as a mention of it goes, it can still be looked at as propaganda since the purpose of the gravestone was pure propaganda. A pathetic attempt at a protest which happened years after ones death, does not mark a persons legacy. The main point of the protest should be against YUM! brands and not Colonel Sanders. Roaddogg34 (talk) 22:34, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

philanthropist

so I took my child to the hospital yesterday and noticed that I was taking him to the Colonel Harland Sanders Family Care Unit and I was surprised to find out that the benefactor was indeed "Colonel Sanders" of KFC fame. Perhaps this should be worked into the article somehow? Xenocidic (talk) 19:08, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that this would be part of his legacy, assuming that it is true. You would need some references. I'm no big McDonalds fan but I know that their Ronald McDonald charities do lots of good work, so if the Colonel did something similar it deserves recognition to keep the article blanaced. You have to be diligent with checking refs though, as in the case of the Shriners who claim to support the Shrine Hospitals but do so to a very limited extent - about 2% of their budget.Bob98133 (talk) 19:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent Page Move

This page was recently moved from Colonel Sanders to Harland Sanders. I believe it should revert back to Colonel Sanders, as that is the name he was widely known by. This is even more so in the years since his death, since he is now known primarily as an iconic marketing symbol for a large franchised restaurant chain. His name appears on the menu in several places as "Colonel" rather than his first name. As this is an honorific rather than a true title, I believe that points 6 and 7 apply. In particular: "In general, use the most commonly recognized English-language form of the name. Create redirections or disambiguations for other plausible links." There is also a bit about "their name is unrecognisable without it", which I am not sure quite applies, but he's been dead for 28 years. I think it's plausible that an entire generation does not know his first name, as we who grew up with him do, especially since it's all about the "Colonel" now, as seen with Colonel's Crispy Strips and Colonel's Secret Recipe on the menu, not to mention a bucketload of references to "Colonel" and zero for "Harland" in the shopping area. (In addition, a google search for "Colonel Sanders yields 486,000 hits; "Harland Sanders" yields 37,600.)  Frank  |  talk  02:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I think (7) definitely applies, but the footnote to (6) states "a Courtesy title is an honorific prefix applied to the sons and daughters of hereditary peers," which is not the case here. Point 7 speaks about names - "Colonel" was not the man's name. Indeed, Point 7 talks about a choice among common names, and provides an example: "Where a person is known by their second name, the title of the article should be (Second name) (Surname) and the text should begin (First name) (Second name) (Surname), e.g. Gordon Brown." Again, "Colonel" was not Harland Sanders' name. If any naming convention is appropriate to invoke here, it is probably this one - but even here, the examples provided are of those who used a stage name or pen name, and I think it is debatable whether this applies in Sanders' case. To me, the closest example is that of William M. Tweed, who is known almost exclusively as Boss Tweed. 132,000 Google hits are produced for the latter; 7460 for the former, yet the article is under the name of the former.

I will concur with Frank that the issue is debatable - there is, for example Billy the Kid. So the issue is not clear-cut, by any means. But I think it is unhelpful to conflate the advertising icon with the actual individual. fishhead64 (talk) 05:05, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I would argue that Tweed should be moved. And, just to muddy the waters somewhat, Colonel Tom Parker appears with both his title and his first name in the article title. Regarding the advertising icon, I think it is relevant; Sanders may be more universally known after his death than before, because of the advertising.  Frank  |  talk  10:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

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Fireman vs. Firefighter

I changed railroad firefighter to railroad fireman. A firefighter is the politically correct word for someone who puts out (fights) fires. A railroad fireman adds coal to the engine and actually starts fires albeit controlled ones. Unless anyone has any evidence that Col Sanders put out fires on trains, I believe his previous occupation should be listed as fireman.

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Inconsistent Timeline

The article says Harland Sanders was born in 1890. It also says "He was given the honorary title "Kentucky Colonel" during the Civil War and served admirably under fire during battles at Fredricksburg, Spotsylvania, Antietem, and Brandy Station, before being wounded at Gettysburg while cooking chicken for his troops."

These are obviously inconsistent as the Civil War was in the 1860's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.85.13.180 (talk) 17:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Could someone maybe reword some of this article so that the timeline is smooth and doesn't jump back and forth. Also, perhaps always refer to the year instead of sometimes saying his age and other times saying the year. It's just a bit difficult to read... having to add and subtract every so often. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.208.60 (talk) 05:17, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Bump

Some glaring anachronistic problems in this article, specifically the duplicate "moved to Canada" paragraph in the Death and legacy section. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 20:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

This article seems to be more about KFC than the Colonel himself.

Half of the article describes the recipe, but very little to none of it gives detail about the man himself, save the first few paragraphs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ClassicRockSovereign (talk • contribs) 05:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

missing text in Early Life... section

There seems to have been some text deleted from this section with only the end of a sentence left, meaning little as it stood. I have deleted it until it can be rectified or restored. (I suspect that it was intended to be moved to another section, but the remaining text was inadvertently left behind Peaky beaky (talk) 03:20, 17 September 2009 (UTC):

in promoting products he had not helped develop. In 1975 Heublein Inc. unsuccessfully sued Sanders for libel after he publicly referred to their gravy as "sludge" with a "wallpaper taste".

References

Archive 1

Untitled

This article needs to mention and cite Col. Sanders' own autobiographical book from the 1970's, Finger Lickin' Good. Starhistory22 (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC)starhistory22Starhistory22 (talk) 07:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Buggy Painter

I also found that he worked as a buggy painter when he was 15.

References

Great Depression

Sanders lived through the Great Depression which makes it very interesting and amazing how he still became very successful. This is a fact that cannot be left out of this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zolivi1496 (talk • contribs) 13:41, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Baptism

I think it would be better if it said which church he was baptized in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zolivi1496 (talk • contribs) 14:01, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Steamboat Pilot

I see he is listed as a "Steamboat Pilot". Is this an official title? (S2333 (talk) 04:06, 27 November 2011 (UTC))

Colonel Sanders

His article name should not be his given name because under wikipedia guidelines we use the most popular name... in this case it is Colonel Sanders. DWood 06:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Repiceman89 (talk • contribs)

Colonel Sanders already redirects here. The MOS also prohibits the use of honorifics in that manner. Use of honorific titles in this manner may not be compliant with policy. See MOS:HONORIFIC. A similar example would be Colonel Eli Lilly. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 13:44, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Where does that policy "prohibit the use of honorifics in that manner"? WP:OSE isn't always a good indicator, I realize, but Colonel Tom Parker is not a redirect, and, I think, a similar case to this one. (I've had this discussion before - on this very page - and I thought it should be under Colonel Sanders, especially since many people don't know his first name anyway.)  Frank  |  talk  13:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Upon reviewing the policy I see it is not what I thought it was (although i am almost positive it used to be that way). In that case I am fine with a name change. The more common title is definitely Colonel Sanders. —Charles Edward ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 16:02, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Good point, he absolutely is best known as "the Colonel." We don't call Ice-T Tracy Marrow even though that's his "real" name because that's not the name he got famous under. This seems fairly uncontroversial really, I'll move it now. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, a peek at the archives will show this has been discussed (and changed) more than once; I for one agree with the move (as you'll see more extensively in the archive) but suspect some may disagree. Discussion can occur when (and if) necessary.  Frank  |  talk  22:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

That's weird, I didn't see any of that in the logs when I did the move. In any event, the most recent previous conversation was 20 months ago and was apparently inconclusive but leaning in the direction of moving it. I am quite certain that both the naming conventions and precedent are on the side of this move, having dealt with nearly identical issues before. Many celebrities are not known by their full birth names, such as Hulk Hogan or Cher. We don't call their articles "Terry Gene Bollea" and "Cherilyn Sarkisian," preferring instead the names the public knows them by. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:27, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

2012 redux

It's just been moved again without discussion or even explanation. have reverted that move for all the reasons already detailed, namely WP:COMMONNAME . It's always a good idea to at least check the current talk page before making a move. In any event I have requested move protection so that it will not be moved again without consensus. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:24, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Image policy-vs-article quality

Fair use aside, the previous image is of the iconic Colonel Sanders, and the one that it has been replaced with looks like any young man of his era. Without his trademark white hair and goatee he just doesn't look the man people come to this page to read about. I realize there are copyright concerns in play here, but are we sure that we have no choice but to replace the very vibrant and interesting image that was in the article with the very bland and uninteresting one that now graces the infobox? Beeblebrox (talk) 22:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree, this is an awful result. If we really can't have an iconic Colonel in the infobox, I'd prefer to use one of the drawn KFC images--or even no image at all--over this generic photo. The young Harlan photo could be a perfectly good addition in the body of the article, but using it in the infobox just seems all wrong--in no way does this photo relate to the visual image that the Colonel cultivated. --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:NFCC #1 is clear on this issue. The image is replaceable. Since it's in an infobox it's only being used to show what he looked like. The fair use image fails NFCC because it isn't being used in conjunction with critical commentary in a way that clarifies that commentary. Therefore, the image isn't critical and irreplaceable. Burpelson AFB (talk) 03:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your points, but I don't agree that it is so cut and dried. Colonel Sanders' visual image was an essential part of his identity--probably one of the more famous faces in America--and it is surely important to an article explaining him. The article discusses in several places the relevance of his appearance to his life and success--in the lede it says, "His image is omnipresent in the chain's advertising and packaging, and his name is sometimes used as a synonym for the KFC product or restaurant itself." and further down it talks about how it was "after 1950 that Sanders began to look the part, growing his trademark mustache and goatee and donning his white suit and string tie" and that "he was buried in his characteristic white suit and black western string tie." NFCC #1 says "no free equivalent is available, or could be created, that would serve the same encyclopedic purpose," and I think it's clear that the 20-year-old Harlan photo in no way serves the same purpose as the iconographic photo. --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:07, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Arxiloxos states the case for the Fair Use photo well. Ray Kroc, for example, has no photo, but if we faced the same situation there the "young Kroc" photo would be fine because few people know what the "old Kroc after McDonald's made him a millionaire" looked like. Colonel Sanders is different; the fact that his name is still a metonym for the restaurant he founded, 30 years (!) after his death and 45 years after he sold it, says something about the relevance of the "beard and string tie" photo to the article. YLee (talk) 04:20, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

I think the point that Burpleson is missing is that the photos aren't really of the same thing. As is indicated in the article, Sanders didn't even begin building his empire until 20 years after the blander photo was taken. Another way of putting it is that we have one photo of Harland Sanders and another of Colonel Sanders. Yes, they are technically the same person, but until he started KFC he hadn't done anything remotely notable. If some part of our image use policy says we should only use the photo of him as a young man, this is the perfect time to ignore a rule if following it would prevent us from improving the article. As the tag on the "Colonel" image states quite clearly, it is to be used "Where no free equivalent is available or could be created that would adequately give the same information" There is apparently no free image of the Colonel as he appeared during the portion of his life where he was famous, and obviously it's far to late to create one. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Seeing as this is not an uncontroversial deletion I have removed the deletion tag from the image for now. I think WP:FFD is warranted if there is still a desire to delete it. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:21, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean uncontroversial? Where is the critical commentary that the image is necessary for? The image is only being used to show what he looked like. Whatever, do what you like. NFCC is being violated, however. Burpelson AFB (talk) 22:51, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

As I said, this is a perfect time to ignore a rule if it would prevent improvement of an article. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:06, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

KFC vs. Kentucky Fried Chicken

The company that Harland Sanders founded was known as "Kentucky Fried Chicken" until the date of his death, and well beyond that. Use of "KFC" in this article should be avoided, except incidentally when it is part of a title in a reference or footnote, or an external link, since that name change was applied to the company after it changed owners a couple of times after Sanders' death.—Quicksilver^{T @} 21:13, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Alleged Quotes

We should have a section for his quote "Im too drunk to taste this chicken.", popularized in the comedy movie "The Ballad of Ricky Bobby" 76.93.232.253 (talk) 15:25, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Children

The article says "He had a son, Harland, Jr., who died at an early age, and two daughters, Margaret Sanders and Mildred Ruggles." However, the infobox in the article lists four children, none of whom are named Harland (and Mildred's last name is listed as Sanders). —BarrelProof (talk) 20:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

The source cited in the text is his obituary from the New York Times, which I can't find online. None of the other sources I have checked even mention his family, except the geneology.com ref, which has a family tree that unfortunately stops with the Colonel. I'm not sure how we should resolve this, but it certainly should be consistent. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I found several sources saying he had three chidren - apparently named Harland David, Jr., Margaret, and Mildred. I found no mention of a fourth. I think the infobox is wrong. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:18, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

See the reference I just added to the article. Mildred was the youngest of the three. She was born on Aug. 15, 1919, in Jeffersonville, Ind., and she died on Sept. 21, 2010 at the age of 91. (R.I.P.) —BarrelProof (talk) 07:01, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Usually a married child would be listed as Mildred Sanders (Ruggles). Unless she changed her last name for reasons other than marriage, this is how it probably should be listed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:12, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

String tie?

When did Colonel Sanders first start wearing a tie or bow-tie or whatever you call it?

Was it before or after James Garner started wearing one as Bret Maverick?

The main page of this article would be improved if there were a description of his tie (and remember to include the authority you are basing this on). 216.99.219.250 (talk) 22:39, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Statue Recovered

The article should be amended by an authorized user to note that the statue mentioned in the final paragraph of "Death and Legacy" was recovered in 2009, as noted in Wikipedia's "Curse of the Colonel" article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel). Either that, or the discussion should be limited to a link to that page. Judy Hennessey (talk) 02:06, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Twin Teepees - Seattle - 1940's

There are many reliable sources about Colonel Sanders working in Seattle at the Twin Teepees restaurant in Seattle in the early 1940's (1942 - 1943). There is a fair amount of "legends" surrounding his visit here including one that mentions that he perfected his chicken recipe while working at the Twin Teepees. I do agree that mention of unsubstantiated legends should not be a part of the official Wikipedia page but there is still a fair amount of information that has reliable sources to back it up. I see NOTHING about his time in Seattle, his time at the Twin Teepees, or what he was doing in the early 1940's.

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20010815&slug=godden15 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.39.234 (talk) 11:14, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

The book...

In the article, it states: A manuscript of a book on cooking, which Sanders apparently wrote in the mid-1960s, has been found in KFC archives. It includes some cooking recipes from Sanders as well as stories. KFC plans to try some of the recipes, and to offer the book online. Well, they've got it online as a PDF at KFC's page at facebook.com right now, available in three versions: the whole book, just the story, and just the recipes. Colonel Sander's Cookbook Is it worth adding that to the official links? Or maybe just add the KFC Facebook page? Both? Nomad Of Norad (talk) 22:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Spelling mistake

I'm not sure what a "restaurateur" is, but I'm sure that the Colonel was a fine one, whatever it is.

In other words you're missing the "n" in "restauranteur".

Oddly enough, it's actually spelled "restaurateur".[3] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:51, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Obviously bias line

"He had a flair for promotion and a dedication to providing quality fast food."

I am sorry but that line reads blatantly like a promotional line ripped right out of KFC's own historical promo materials, and should not be in the article for NPOV reasons. --Cr@$h3d@t@^{t@1k t0 m3} 20:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

If cited properly, couldn't disagree more with you. Also, he was upset that apparently the KfC franchises had turned his original gravy recipe to "sludge" so his dedication to his recipes seems genuine.HammerFilmFan (talk) 12:09, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Attribution is key. It does sound like it was lifted from the company's website or something. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:12, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Vadalism by Travman1980

Replaced the religion to "feces." Change it please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.72.172.244 (talk) 18:05, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Religion

I hate to follow the previous with this serious question, but it did remind me of the issue... (blushes)

I saw a photograph of Col. Sanders in front of the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem and the caption claimed that he was Jewish. I now read his infobox and his religious affiliation is listed as "Disciples of Christ." The article mentions he died at the Jewish Hospital in Louisville, which may be a coincidence. Then I read that perhaps he had a religious conversion late in his life and became a "born again Christian." Can anybody help me sort this out? Did he have different religious affiliations through his life, or was he associated to different faiths because of family links, such as marriage? Demf (talk) 18:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

-His dying at Jewish Hospital makes him no more Jewish than me having heart surgery at St. Mary's makes me Catholic. - CobaltBlueTony™ _talk 17:42, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 8 December 2012

Can you please add to this sentence from: Around 1950, Sanders began developing his distinctive appearance, growing his trademark mustache and goatee and donning a white suit and string tie.[13] to:

Around 1950, a suggestion from a friend, Randall Martin of Corbin, KY, lead to Sanders developing......

The source is from Randall Martin himself. He died this past week. Thank you very much.

Flcrump (talk) 17:06, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Could you please provide the source? Vacation^nine 18:20, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Contradictions and gaps

Leaving aside the glowing tone of much of this article, it also contains significant gaps and self-contradictions. One example: his being a "colonel". The intro (footnote) says he was made an honorary colonel in 1935, but the text omits this, instead saying he was re-made a colonel, variously in 1949 and/or 1950. As just one more example, it says his first "store" failed (because of the Interstate) when he was 65 (which would be in 1955) and he began to look for potential franchisees, but the next paragraph says he began franchising in 1952, which would be before he turned 65 and remarkably early for the completion of an Interstate highway (Eisenhower hadn't even been elected yet). I realize there's a lot of mythology about him, but it doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 15:45, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

The article has been somewhat edited in response to that comment. I don't think there's currently any serious problem with the "colonel" part. The page now says "He was commissioned as a Kentucky Colonel in 1935 by Kentucky governor Ruby Laffoon." The Café & Museum reference supports that (although it only says who was governor, not the exact year of the "commission" – Lafoon's term ended in 1935, so there's no obvious problem with the date). Being a Kentucky colonel is just an honorary title bestowed at the discretion of the governor, and is ordinarily not repeated, but I suppose it was in his case in 1950 (there is a source cited for that, and I see no special reason to question it – perhaps his previous certificate had been lost or burned in the 1939 fire).

It would seem that he started franchising on a small scale (perhaps only one franchisee, licensed in 1952) before he shut down his restaurant & motel in Corbin and began pursuing franchising as a larger-scale business strategy (around 1955 and 1956). Perhaps some of the information is ultimately self-sourced from Sanders, and not entirely reliable. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:50, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Suit and tie

Is it really appropriate to discuss here who bought his suit and tie, and for what amount? If we discussed in Wikipedia the relics of every famous person and who bought them and for how much, it would dominate the encyclopaedia. Anyway, it's my understanding he had quite a few suits and ties (don't we all?), so the sale of one of them is hardly interesting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.30.99.114 (talk) 22:04, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

You can go ahead and delete it as far as I'm concerned. Farrtj (talk) 10:15, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Overwhelmed

What is the meaning of the word "overwhelmed" in this statement (current as of December, 2013) "However, the company's rapid expansion saw it overwhelm the aging Sanders." As the article says, Sanders was active well into his 80's so what does "aging" have to do with it. A citation is needed to justify "overwhelmed" and to explain why his age was a factor in his decision to sell. Martiniano (talk) 02:42, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Corbin KFC failed

That is just not true. After the fire, it was rebuilt in 1940 and has done great business since then. Never failed and never closed. When he heard that I-75 would by pass Corbin he decided to sell. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.204.248.84 (talk) 17:27, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Sander's Restaurant was located in Woodfin not Asheville

According to all sources maps, the people at KFC, Buncombe County tax records and including the remaining structure which is an apartment complex Colonel Sanders' motor court was in the municipality of Woodfin, NC a few miles north of Asheville. Can you please confirm this and correct the misinformation and amend the citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasonyoung13 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Lawsuit with Heublein...Outcome?

Text "In 1973, he sued Heublein Inc.—the then parent company of Kentucky Fried Chicken—over the alleged misuse of his image in promoting products he had not helped develop. In 1975, Heublein Inc. unsuccessfully sued Sanders for libel after he publicly described their gravy as "wallpaper paste" to which "sludge" was added.[30] After reaching a settlement with Heublein, he sold the Colonel's Lady restaurant, and it has continued to operate since then (currently as the "Claudia Sanders Dinner House").[28][29] It serves his "original recipe" fried chicken as part of its (non-fast-food) dinner menu, and it is the only non-KFC restaurant that serves an authorized version of the fried chicken recipe.[31][32]"

So what happened? I see 2 suits here. Col. suing Heublein, and visa-versa. Heublein lost their suit against the Col. What happened to the Cols. suit against Heublein? Robertvincentswain (talk) 20:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Religion, Part 2

I searched through Sanders' autobiography The Autobiography of the Original Celebrity Chef, the biography Colonel Sanders and the American Dream, and the Encyclopedia of Louisville (which has an extensive entry on him), and there is no mention of "Disciples of Christ" as Sanders' religion, nor did any of them seem to mention what his religion was in his adult life. Of course, if anyone can find a reference that backs up what his religion was, by all means add it back to the infobox. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:02, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Even though Stevietheman (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) made a personal attack on me by calling me a "trollish clown" after telling me about policies/guidelines that don't exist, for the sake of completeness in the article, I am linking two sources about Colonel Sanders' religion for consideration as to their reliability:

The Colleges and Universities of the Christian Church (Texas Christian University)

Colonel Sanders

Thanks. 107.15.192.226 (talk) 17:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Here's an idea: Stick to the topic at hand. If you have an issue with me, there are other avenues for that. As for the references, thank you for providing those. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:03, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Here's another idea: discuss the sources I provided if you wish to add something. And since you have forbidden me from commenting about your behavior on your talk page, I will discuss it elsewhere if needed. That includes admin boards. Now, do you have an opinion about the sources I linked? If not, please move on. 107.15.192.226 (talk) 18:34, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I am in the process of considering them. I will respond further at my convenience at a later time. As for reporting me to an admin board about the "personal attack" I removed hours ago, please do. In fact, I request that you do so. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:40, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Be careful what you ask for. You might get it. 107.15.192.226 (talk) 18:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Proceed, mighty edit warrior. LOL. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I took a quick look at those sources. I suggest that it would be best to keep looking for better ones. The TCU source seems to be the church itself, so it's not really an objective source about such information. It would be better to find a third-party source, and that's probably feasible without much effort. We should look for a better source, at least in the longer term. The NNDB source does not seem reliable, based on comments found at Talk:NNDB. I second the suggestion to try focus on the content rather than editor behavior. See WP:CONDUCT and WP:NPA – they both say "Comment on the content, not on the contributor." —BarrelProof (talk) 19:33, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Totally agreed. I have sent an e-mail to the church asking them about a reference (book or news article) I can use for backup here. I will report back here once I have received a response. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:45, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Sander's religion, whatever it was, has nothing to do with selling chicken, which is why he has an article. It doesn't belong in the Infobox. HiLo48 (talk) 19:52, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

If it can be referenced, it's part of the personal story of a very notable person. Even if we decide it doesn't belong in the infobox (via WP:UNDUE), it can go into the article proper. So, we can proceed on finding a reference, as far as I can see. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 19:58, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

The religious beliefs of every notable person are not automatically relevant to his/her notability. That's why the phrase ""...and the subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published source" is in WP:BLPCAT (and the basic principles of that policy apply regardless of the fact that Sanders is dead). Some cases are easy to determine. For example, the relevance of religious beliefs of Pope Francis and Billy Graham to their notability is not likely to be questioned. Its relevance to Sanders is far from obvious, so if someone wants to challenge including the category because it is irrelevant to selling chicken, the relevance must be reliably sourced or agreed on here by consensus. 107.15.192.226 (talk) 20:08, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

We're not talking about categorization here. It is clearly fair game to include his religion in a discussion of his personal life, given it is well-referenced, although certainly we wouldn't have to give much weight to it. In his autobiography, even though I couldn't discern his church, there were passages where he expressed pride in helping to refurbish a church. I got that from a quick search, so there's probably more to go on. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 20:47, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Any discussion of his religion and whether it can be sourced in the article also pertains to categorization. Categorization is not independent of article content. If a denomination can be included anywhere in the article based on a reliable source, and if someone wants to add a category, then issues of categorization apply. Your point about him taking pride in refurbishing a church is one bit of information about the relevance of his religion to his notability; it may not be sufficient if someone wishes to challenge the relevance. 107.15.192.226 (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Why is it "clearly fair game to include his religion"? I simply cannot comprehend that statement. He has an article because he sold a lot of chicken. Many people have refurbished churches. Nobody has sold chicken like Colonel Sanders. Religion is irrelevant. Please explain "clearly fair game". HiLo48 (talk) 21:00, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Given a strong reference, it is considered a component of a person's personal life. Discussing the personal life of a highly notable person is part of biographies. I don't know what else to say here. To me, it's pretty obvious. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:05, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

A category being added is secondary to the discussion. It follows from inclusion of his religion in the article content. Also, I think a strong reference by itself will withstand a challenge (although buttressing it with more than that doesn't hurt). If you're talking about his personal life, and briefly mention his participation in the church, and the reference is strong for it, I don't think it would be challenged successfully. We wouldn't be saying he is known for his religion, so there's really nothing to challenge in any serious way. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:05, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Good luck finding such a reference. Other than his biography and vague mentions in a reliable source of a neighbor who attended the same church Sanders and his wife did in Shelbyville, I don't find anything that specifically mentions a specific church or denomination. Sanders' wife's obituary is specific, but I'm not finding the same specificity for Sanders himself and referencing one source along with the other to reach a conclusion would be synthesis and not allowed. Possibly, he didn't want to be specific and valued his privacy in that area of his life -- for himself as well as the church he attended. Regardless, there's nothing online to be found regarding his church affiliation. And, absent such a reliable reference to verify, a mention in the article or assigning a category would not be appropriate. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 21:26, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

You're absolutely right. Without a strong reference, this matter is moot. Note that I was the one who removed his religion from the infobox due to a lack of references. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:29, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Far too often lately I have seen this claim that if it's sourced we should include something. That is only half the policy. It has to be due content too. Religion and chicken are not related. Now, if he had sold pork ribs.... HiLo48 (talk) 21:34, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't disagree with your first two sentences. However, I find the continued statement of religion vs. chicken to not be salient to the discussion in that we're not talking about branding Sanders with a religion, only about whether it's mentioned as part of his personal life. I'm getting the sense that you're talking past me (i.e., not reading my responses). Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:51, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

So you disagree with my third sentence? The one that says content has to be due? Weird. HiLo48 (talk) 05:45, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I meant to say first three sentences. Thanks for the catch. My vision isn't the best. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

To amend my previous reply, I didn't mean to suggest that the search for references was complete. Therefore, the matter may not be moot for all time. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 13:30, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Sanders's funeral service was held at the Southern Baptist chapel [4]. More generally, Sanders is undoubtedly associated with evangelical types, befriending Billy Graham and Jerry Falwell in his later years. He was also rebaptised in the Jordan River. Tom (talk) 23:24, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

• As someone completely uninvolved with this discussion, I have only one comment to make on the religion issue: the "religion versus chicken" argument presented above (if it can even be classed as an "argument") seems like a non sequitur. The religious views of notable people are often included in their articles, whether or not the person's religion is central to their notability. A person's religion (or lack thereof) is central to who they are as a person. This article isn't called "Colonel Sanders career"--it deals with his entire life and work. LHM^{ask me a question} 05:54, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

It is simply wrong to say that "A person's religion (or lack thereof) is central to who they are as a person." Certainly not as a generalisation. It would be true for some people, and not for others. In this case you would need to demonstrate that Sanders' religion was central to who he was as a person. That has not yet been done. HiLo48 (talk) 06:45, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I sort of assumed people were intelligent enough (and familiar enough with WP policies) that it would be assumed that the place of religion in the BLP's life would need to be reliably sourced. LHM^{ask me a question} 13:38, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

@HiLo: Even though I indirectly was the impetus for this discussion when I requested a citation for his religion and removed the category (and I think removal of the category is generally agreed upon), I must respectfully disagree to some extent with you HiLo. Although the amount of emphasis placed on a person's religious upbringing or current religious beliefs may be subject to debate, inclusion of a mention of their religion in a bio article is rarely questioned on Wikipedia if it is properly sourced. We certainly are no more justified in throwing out that tidbit of their life than we are many other things in their life, such as the names of their children and parents, their ancestry, where they went to elementary and high schools, etc. etc. I have no idea whether Sanders' religious affiliation as an adult can be reliably sourced, but if it can there is nothing unusual about a few words mentioning it in his article. If we were talking about several paragraphs, I would agree with you. But naming the denomination if sourced is quite acceptable. 107.15.192.226 (talk) 13:51, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with adding a short statement about his religious preference(s), if we can be specific. So far, nothing is coming up in my searches. Even his biography doesn't seem to be specific. And, as a response to an earlier comment, having your funeral at a specific church doesn't equate religious denominational involvement or preference before death. Could be the Baptist Church where the service was held was big enough to hold the number of people expected to show up. Everything I've read points to Sanders attending a different church, anyway. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:10, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Many people go to church because it's what one does in one's social circle, and go to a particular church because it's what one's parents did. Unless his religion has impacted his life in a concrete way, that made him different from what he would have been had he not attended that church, it's undue. HiLo48 (talk) 21:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Many people go to college because it's what one does in one's social circle, and go to a particular college because it's what one's parents did. Unless his college has impacted his life in a concrete way, that made him different from what he would have been had he not attended that college, it's undue. It doesn't make sense when substituting "college" in there, nor does it when the word "religion" or "church" is used. What matters is whether it can be reliably-sourced. LHM^{ask me a question} 21:43, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

And there, yet again, is that half understanding of policy. Being well sourced is a necessary but never sufficient requirement for inclusion. HiLo48 (talk) 22:25, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

I notice that Farrtj added a statement about evangelism with a citation to an autobiography of Sanders: Harland Sanders (1974). Life As I Have Known It Has Been Finger Lickin' Good. Creation House. pp. 136–144. ISBN 978-0-88419-053-0.

What does it say on the subject? —BarrelProof (talk) 02:24, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Issues

How is it possible to be "honourably discharged" after only 3 months military service, including travel to and from Cuba? Surely it is more likely he was dishonourably discharged when his true age was discovered. Sanders studied law, apparently, but there is no reference to the institution or to him qualifying. Did his career end due to him being disbarred, or to it being discovered that he was in fact unqualified? If he had no restaurant, how did "food critic Duncan Hines visited Sanders's restaurant" in 1939? Presumably a restaurant was built at some time, but when? There is a reference to his Corbin restaurant and motel being destroyed, but there is no reference to a motel being built. There is a recent photo of the Corbin restaurant - despite it having been destroyed in the 1940's. If Sanders was a Kentucky "Colonel" from 1935, why was he "re-commissioned" as a Kentucky Colonel in 1949 - or 1950 (cannot be both dated!)? How does one "dress the part" of a Kentucky Colonel, since they have no uniform? And they are not really commissioned but appointed, as it is an honour not a rank. There are too many errors and omissions in an article about a relatively well-known person. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Royalcourtier (talk • contribs) 07:32, 18 December 2014‎ (UTC)

• I have edited the Cuba service. Sanders signed up on October 6th. He entered Cuba in November. He left Cuba by February. There was a clause in his contract which allowed people to leave the army if the Cuba conflict had been resolved. The reference listed in the article clarifies this.

• There is a reference to Sanders qualifying in law in the article. He qualified with La Salle Extension University. He was qualified for small claims courts in Alabama. Tom (talk) 18:42, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

A source worth studying

The following website article, published today, seems to contain some information that may be helpful to this article, and it also contains links to other potentially helpful sources:

Feloni, Richard (December 17, 2015). "KFC founder Colonel Sanders didn't achieve his remarkable rise to success until his 60s". Business Insider. {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help).

However, it should be noted that it seems to report Sanders' date of death incorrectly. I believe the article was published today (the 17th) and it says Sanders died "on this day in 1980", but the New York Times article snippet that it links to that talks about that, which was published on December 17, 1980, says Sanders died "early yesterday" (the 16th).

—BarrelProof (talk) 19:31, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

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Colonel Sander's Religion

I know the article states that Sanders went to an Adventist church as a young child with him family (citation is needed)...but I am wondering if he was actually Jewish. Even if he wasn't practicing, his last name (Sanders) and his mother's maiden name (Dunlevy) are both typically Jewish last names. He was also treated for leukemia and passed away at a Jewish hospital - which in the early 80's was still primarily for Jewish doctors and patients (although not excluded to non-Jews).

Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.161.8.163 (talk) 19:39, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Interesting speculation, but if we are going to change the article, we will need to see some reliable sources backing it up. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:42, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Sanders is a common name in Hungary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BernardZ (talk • contribs) 11:01, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 July 2016

I know the article states that Sanders went to an Adventist church as a young child with him family (citation is needed)...but I believe he was actually Jewish. Even if he wasn't practicing, his last name (Sanders) and his mother's maiden name (Dunlevy) are both typically Jewish last names. He was also treated for leukemia and passed away at a Jewish hospital - which in the early 80's was still primarily for Jewish doctors and patients (although not excluded to non-Jews). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.161.8.163 (talk) 19:41, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

 Not done Like I say above, without reliable sources backing up this speculation, there are no changes that can be made. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 21:44, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

HNWI

...In 1964, then 73 years old, he sold the Kentucky Fried Chicken corporation for $2 million ($15.3 million today) to a partnership of Kentucky businessmen...

The above sentence is false as $2 million in 1964 is worth $100 million in 2016 gold prices as per measuringworth.com. Please change.

Overall, the article seems to be creating an impression as if the Colonel was poor throughout his life. He was already a HNWI by 1930s which gave him access to the Governor in the first place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.65.68.218 (talk) 07:31, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

 Not done the inflation figure is correct - we do not use "gold prices" but US government inflation figures - Arjayay (talk) 11:00, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Citation 59 appears to be a broken link

See above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prongs95 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)

@Prongs95:,  Done? 59 seemed fine, but 58 and 60 needed to be updated using archive links. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:29, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Attempted Suicide

There are many references on the net to him at 65 attempting suicide, are there any reliable sources on this subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BernardZ (talk • contribs) 11:01, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Not true-https://www.snopes.com/colonel-sanders/Qazwink (talk) 06:26, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2017

Colonelusa (talk) 04:33, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. SparklingPessimist ^{Scream at me!} 04:59, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

Current portrayer

Under "As a symbol of the KFC brand" we have "As of 2018, Ray Liotta is the current portrayer of Sanders." This should be changed to "As of 2018, Christopher Boyer is the current portrayer of Sanders." See http://www.adweek.com/creativity/kfc-picked-an-unknown-actor-as-its-new-celebrity-colonel-for-a-pretty-clever-reason/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slimbay (talk • contribs) 17:01, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2018

KFC its finger lickin good! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.127.134.164 (talk) 14:45, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Harlan Sanders' death story. Just an addition, NOT an edit. I worked in the capitol in Frankfort KY when the Colonel Died. He lay in state for 10 days. What you might not know is the then governor was none other than John Y Brown, the same man who decades before was in business with Colonel Sanders! He was most proud of his gravy. As a teen, I worked in a KFC in Glasgow, KY and was present during one of his unannounced visits. Our gravy passed. Even today, if the gravy is bad, just call them. Here in CA, a KFC began to add a touch of bell pepper to cater to the local Mexican customers. I called corporate, they fixed it immediately! 2600:8801:DB01:1860:B0CD:A03:51F2:D09C (talk) 3:37 am, Today (UTC−4)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 12:10, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

edit request

In the second paragraph, Sanders should be described as "locomotive fireman", not "steam engine stoker", since he worked on a railroad, and the term "stoker" is not used in railroad practice (not to mention a locomotive fireman has additional tasks beyond those of simply stoking the fire). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:589:380:E940:6D7D:DFC8:41B9:BEC9 (talk) 21:04, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 February 2019

The word TONSILs should link to the Wikipedia page about tonsils, see the URL below.

1906–1930: Various jobs

... In 1909, Sanders found laboring work with the Norfolk and Western Railway. While working on the railroad, he met Josephine King of Jasper, Alabama, and they were married shortly afterwards. They would go on to have a son, Harland, Jr., who died in 1932 from infected tonsils,

TONSILs should link to this URL, because I wanted to know what tonsils are and wasn't been able (yet). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonsil Hirnsausen (talk) 05:29, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done NiciVampireHeart 06:31, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

Military personnel from Indiana

This link should be removed, Sanders never served in the military. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.31.240.201 (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

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Southern Fried Chicken

In 1963, Sanders appeared as a guest on the game/panel show What's My Line?. That episode (which is available for viewing on YouTube) identified him as the head of the Southern Fried Chicken Company. There is no reference to this name in this article nor in the KFC article. 70.73.90.119 (talk) 01:38, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

I noticed the same thing but when you get to the end of that episode Sanders & the show host say his company name is Kentucky Fried Chicken so my best guess is that the show's staff messed up the titles (video lettering overlay) that displayed his occupation. 47.176.126.162 (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Tender Wings of Desire reference

In the Beyond KFC section toward the end of the page, it states that the book "Tender Wings of Desire" is available for free on Amazon. This does not seem to be the case any longer. If that line could be removed, it may improve accuracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nissaday (talk • contribs) 21:10, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

• Updated. GreatCaesarsGhost 16:43, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Dave Thomas, Hobby House, and Wendy's

https://www.thebalancesmb.com/dave-thomas-of-kentucky-fried-chicken-wendys-1350962 alleges that considerable contribution by Dave Thomas to Sander's success. I did not add any of this because I am not sure how much is accurate. 伟思礼 (talk) 00:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

That's quite a puff piece. Personally, I wouldn't use it for additions to this article. Schazjmd (talk) 00:49, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Age at various points

A social media video had several inaccuracies about events at different ages in his life, so I added ages to this article as a (probably futile) attempt to counter this. 伟思礼 (talk) 00:39, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Lemma??

Why is it called Colonel Sanders. Its supposed to be Harland D. Sanders. This is supposed to be an encyclopedia fcol. I'll change it, If there are No responses within a week. KhlavKhalash (talk) 17:29, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

See WP:COMMONNAME. Schazjmd (talk) 17:34, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

• What Schazimd said. The common name, the one that is used in newspapers, ads, the public, is "Colonel Sanders". Few people would search for Harland Sanders, they would search for Colonel Sanders. Every biography is the same in that respect. Just as the John Wayne article isn't named Marion Morrison, his real name, and is a redirect instead. And yes, every encyclopedia would do the same. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:56, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2022

Change the picture of that old white dude to the actual Colonel Sanders. The picture is in my camera roll since you love watching me 👀 Marinna.3 (talk) 03:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

What does this even mean Marinna.3 (talk) 03:51, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

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Miss Childress

That wasn’t his recipe for chicken. He got it from a woman named Miss Childress. Thats why its a secret recipe because she was the secret. So technically that is her recipe he just took the credit and got rich. And she died broke. 2601:249:4002:4FB0:0:0:0:69C9 (talk) 16:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2022

Requesting to edit early-life and quick fact section to reflect that his birthplace was Otisco, Indiana which is referred to as being 3 miles east of Henryville, Indiana, which is actually 7 miles. The historical society representing the county in which mentioned cities rest erected a marker at the location of his home claiming he was born and lived there for the first nine years of his life. It was covered in the local media here which backs this request. https://www.newsandtribune.com/news/clark_county/kentucky-fried-beginnings-marker-recognizes-colonel-sanders-southern-indiana-birthplace/article_e57afe3a-3dc6-11ed-83bb-ffd68457c3fd.html?utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social 2603:6011:9441:7500:3CFF:E512:7C16:110A (talk) 06:09, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: So I just spent entirely too long looking at maps of tiny towns in Indiana, and I believe 3-4 miles is correct, depending on how you measure it. The article you linked does not give an exact address, but it does say the thing is on Zollman Road, which is about halfway between the centers of Henryville and Otisco. Here is a map showing it's exactly 3 miles from what looks like the easternmost point of Henryville. 3mi1y (talk) 07:52, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Zollman Road is correct.

[5]https://www.in.gov/history/state-historical-markers/find-a-marker/find-historical-markers-by-county/indiana-historical-markers-by-county/colonel-harland-sanders/ 74.130.65.57 (talk) 17:33, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, in reference to your maps, check this 1875 map:

[6]https://www.loc.gov/resource/g4093c.la000140/?r=0.453,0.137,0.05,0.024,0

Tract 242 shows his grandfather Cyrus. 74.130.65.57 (talk) 17:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Change title?

Should it be Colonel Harland Sanders? Colonel is a title. I observed on other Wikipedia pages that we generally use names, for example Mark Milley who is a general. WoofWoof21 (talk) 18:36, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

I think this is one of the handful of exceptions to including a title in the article name. "Colonel Sanders" is how the country knows him. See WP:NICKNAME and WP:TITLESINTITLES. Schazjmd (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

Even without going into that detail, WP:COMMONNAME supports this article title well enough on its own - it's the form of his name he's best known by as far as I can tell. EditorInTheRye (talk) 21:13, 1 June 2023 (UTC)

This is all new to me. Thanks I will take a look at it WoofWoof21 (talk) 00:09, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

KFC is an American fast food restaurant chain headquartered in Louisville, Kentucky, that specializes in fried chicken. It is the world's second-largest restaurant chain after McDonald's, with 22,621 locations globally in 150 countries as of December 2019. The chain is a subsidiary of Yum 175.140.174.99 (talk) 08:02, 13 June 2023 (UTC)