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ArbCom 2019 special circular[edit]

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Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)[edit]

ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

For the Arbitration Committee, -Cameron11598 21:03, 4 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Invitation to join the Fifteen Year Society[edit]

Dear Mackensen/Archive27,

I'd like to extend a cordial invitation to you to join the Fifteen Year Society, an informal group for editors who've been participating in the Wikipedia project for fifteen years or more. ​

Best regards, Urhixidur (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]


May 22, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

Featuring this month a presentation by Interference Archive guests, and a group discussion on the role of activist archives and building wiki content based on ephemeral publications and oral histories.

To close off the night, we'll also have Wikidojo - a group collaborative writing activity / vaudeville!

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 17:10, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

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Train station template to LUA nominations[edit]

I notice you've done quite a few similar nominations. I was wondering if you'd done step three of the TfD process and notified the author of said templates, Gfoley4, since they could speed up the deletion process by agreeing to the deletion, allowing it to be deleted under G7 in many cases. eπi (talk | contribs) 10:38, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @E to the Pi times i: I don't think a G7 would be appropriate in many of these cases. The individual author aside, the templates are effectively all part of a group, and the deletion nomination serves as notice to the broader group of trains editors that the migration is complete. Mackensen (talk) 13:22, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Is each set of templates really all that different? I've seen many different batches, but I'm not sure how contextually different each set is.
    As for broader groups of train editors, I guess my question here would be how often these templates are placed on new articles.
    But eh, I guess the TfDs are probably gradual enough; my concern was train nominations taking over TfD, but I don't think we've quite arrived at that point. eπi (talk | contribs) 13:45, 19 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New message from CptViraj[edit]

Hello, Mackensen. You have new messages at CptViraj's talk page.
Message added 17:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.[reply]

CptViraj (Talk) 17:36, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

June 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (stay tuned for Pride on weekend!)[edit]

June 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 05:37, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Stay tuned for details om next event!
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June 23, 12:30pm: Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Togethe, we'll create new and expand existing Wikipedia articles on LGBT artists and artworks with LGBT themes in the Met collection!

With refreshments, and a special museum tour in the afternoon!

And there will be a wiki-cake!

Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided.

See also the global Wiki Loves Pride photo contest, as well as the Met's online LGBT Art Writing Contest, and also the LGBT Health Writing Contest.

12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan
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This is the fifth annual Wiki Loves Pride edit-a-thon supported by Wikimedia NYC! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 16:31, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

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Cheers[edit]

... The Rambling Man's mode of conduct undercuts whatever usefulness he contributes in project space ... well shucks, but clearly that's not the case. I just don't suffer fools gladly, like the some of the rest of the people here who appear to have taken over the asylum. I'll gladly withdraw my dozen or so FAs, 100+ FLs, around 200 GAs etc, and the 1800+ errors I've picked up on the main page in the last ten months alone. Is there a form for that? In the mean time, do try to be a little more objective when closing out ANI reports. Summary: C+. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @The Rambling Man: I've never shared the belief that good works justify treating other editors with contempt, even when they deserve it. If you're looking for a door to flounce through I can't help you with that. Mackensen (talk) 22:30, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    No, I'm not looking for your help in anything. My experience and quality here transcends any "advice" you could offer. But cheers for the personal attack in the ANI closure. Great work, proud moment. The Rambling Man (talk) 23:18, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    @The Rambling Man: I will happily defer to your experience on personal attacks, and you should of course continue to conduct yourself in whatever manner you think is most effective. Best, Mackensen (talk) 23:27, 29 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I have plenty of experience of being personally attacked, even by admins. It's disgusting, but somehow it's fair game when it's me receiving it. Funny old world. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:33, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    This entire thread is a monument to a lack of critical self-awareness. I've got a shovel somewhere if you need to dig that hole deeper. Mackensen (talk) 13:06, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually no, it's about an abuse of position using personal attacks in closing discussions, but you're in the club and I'm not, so there you go. And no, the grave-diggers have got the shovel for the moment, so you'll have to wait. But anyway, have a wonderful Monday, richly deserved. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:11, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion of article about Dr Gregory Kramer[edit]

Hi. You deleted my article in process of markup on Gremory Kramer on the basis of paragraph A7. This is not understandable, if you read the history of the person, as amplified in the second half of the article. He is THE seminal and historically most important figure it the field of data sonification (c.f) an Auditory Display (c.f.) He is responsible for the formation of ICAD (c.f.) and remains an emeritus member of its Board, which, amongst other things, has run 20 annual international conferences on the now generally considered crucial field for the discovery of gravity waves etc. As the entry says, he published the first book in the field, and is the most heavily referenced author in it. I do not believe your deletion is warranted without further justification. Please Undelete. PS. How do I even get access to it at this stage? Yergnaws (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)YernawsYergnaws (talk) 13:55, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Yergnaws: Good morning. There were a few issues with Gregory Kramer. The first was that most of the content was apparently copied from [1], in violation of Wikipedia:Copyrights. The remaining part of the article was sourced entirely to his own writings, and it read like a blurb. It might be a good idea to start with a draft for this article before re-creating it in the article namespace. I would be willing to supply the non-copyright violating text as a basis. Alternatively you can seek to overturn the deletion Wikipedia:Deletion review. Best, Mackensen (talk) 14:03, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good afternoon. The convolution between the messages to me from Diannaa and then you, were confusing. For the sake of non-duplication, please see the discussion on her talk page. Now, to the point you make. You say that "most of the content was apparently copied..." apparent, perhaps, but not in fact, as I explained in the discussion with Diannaa. You further say that "The remaining part of the article was sourced entirely to his own writings, and it read like a blurb." With respect, that is simply not true, as a cursory look at Wikipedia's entries on Sonification, Auditory_Display and International_Community_for_Auditory_Display, none of which were written by me or the Subject, will easily attest. You will note, for example that his groundbreaking book is referenced on all sites. To describe it as a "blurb" is ill-informed, to put it politely.

Further, I would be pleased if you could explain how the measure you took to unceremoniously delete the entry - apparently in a way in which I cannot recover any of it - is in the spirit of Wikipedia:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion and/or biographical pages, bearing in mind I am an occasional contributor with good intent. IMO, the polite professional approach should have been to engage with me and perhaps advise me to mark the entry as Draft, or some other such process. In any event, the irony of the Subject providing me with text he wrote on which to base my initial sketch, which, unbeknown to him, he seems to no longer holds copyright on does not pass unnoticed. It seems the only way forward is to write a more extensive article in which the small piece of factual information I have used is eclipsed by a bigger picture. I will proceed as you suggest. Regards, Yergnaws (talk) 18:21, 1 July 2019 (UTC)yergnaws .[reply]

NWP stations[edit]

Do you have a preferred timetable for NWP stations? It seems like a shame to only have the 1956 timetable for the Redwood - I think it dropped a number of stations (including Windsor) just a few years before. It's additionally confusing because (unlike the Eastern and Midwest roads I'm used to), the NWP never had much of an effect on the location of population centers. Note for example Millers station in the 1915 timetable - it appears to have been a flag stop serving a single house. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:17, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Pi.1415926535: Nothing specific beyond the linked timetable and old Official Guides. I'm having trouble correlating those with what's in the articles. The interurban railroads are particularly troublesome. Mackensen (talk) 04:05, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Good news: this massive collection has a number of NWP timetables (mostly ETTs). this 1933 ETT should be good for the interurban stops. I think "Interurban" or "Interurban Lines" is as close to an official name as we're going to get there. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you![edit]

The Admin's Barnstar
Thanks alot sir, I'm glad that you responded so fast towards my article creation. And also you guide me that I didn't do any mistake by creating an article on any delete article. But I will rectify my mistake. If I ever created an article on a previous delete page would definitely take assistance before going forward. MDPMHG (talk) 05:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have had the owner of the website send a release to permissions-en@wikimedia.org with Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License (ticket #2019070110001636.) I have also added "OTRS pending" template to the talk page. Can I get the page restored while the license is reviewed? Rminsk (talk) 06:29, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Rminsk: The text as written is promotional in tone (understandably) and probably wouldn't be suitable for inclusion "as is" even without the copyright issue. You'd be better off rewriting it from reliable sources. Mackensen (talk) 12:56, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Mackensen: That is why it was a draft, so I could work on cleaning it up and making less promotional. I thought the Draft namespace is for creating and developing new articles for a limited period of time. Rminsk (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Rminsk: It is, but a copyright violation will still be deleted. Given the way the GFDL works, having a draft move into the article namespace with copyright violations in its history would be a significant problem. Mackensen (talk) 18:10, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Mackensen: Thank you for the input. I guess I'll spin up a local copy of MediaWiki so I can work from the original text and get the rough formatting done and then restart the draft. Rminsk (talk) 19:03, 1 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I stopped converting templates from ja-rail-line to s-line a while back because I assumed we would create a module at some point.

Will adjacent stations be able to handle Japan's new-ish trend of slapping a number on every station? As well as how there is a mix of lines with different local/express services, as well as independent trains (denoted in italics per usual). (here's an easy example and a difficult example). Transcluding the information itself won't be a problem for me, I'm accustomed to the complexity of it all. Cards84664 (talk) 15:47, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Cards84664: Yikes. The numbers are a challenge. My inclination is to say that the numbers shouldn't be displayed in succession boxes, and that it's enough to display them in the station header. In the alternative, the {{adjacent stations}} note-left and note-right parameters do accept templates as input (e.g. {{JRSN|JS|19|tlc=SBY|size=20}}) and display it correctly. Mackensen (talk) 12:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • We'll be better off by keeping the numbers, as there are quite a few cases of named trains jumping from line to line (icons distinguished by color), and even some cases of jumping from company to company (icons distinguished by shape). Two examples of the latter are Hadano Station (Romancecar) and Ikebukuro Station (S-Train). The icons are designed to be distinct from one another's companies to prevent further confusion. The only exception to that is the municipal and private subways in Tokyo sharing icon styles. Cards84664 (talk) 16:04, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Cards84664: Fair enough. This would seem to be an opportunity to retire {{Ja-rail-color}} and let the adjacent stations data module handle the color resolution. Mackensen (talk) 16:11, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
      • To clarify: I think the station numbers should be kept in the note fields and out of the module; it needs to be possible to return the station name without the number. Mackensen (talk) 16:16, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
        • (edit conflict) I knew that was what you were implying with note-left and note-right.
I'm hoping to retire {{ja-rail-line}} someday as well. It has held on much longer than {{Infobox Japan station}}, that's for sure.
Anyways, if you want an easy one to start with, try Module:Adjacent stations/Toei Subway.
{{Toei Subway color}}, {{Toei Subway lines}}, {{Toei Subway stations}}.
Only four lines here, the only real oddity is Tochōmae Station, the Oedo line loops back onto itself before going out to its suburban terminus. Cards84664 (talk) 16:31, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

For stations like Shimo-kitazawa, is the module capable of using note-mid to change the termini, or does that have to be applied manually like with s-line? Cards84664 (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Cards84664: Two options, as with s-line. You can override it manually with to-left and to-right, or define a type (similar to s-line's branch) and do it that way. I think the latter only makes since for different physical branches. Mackensen (talk) 05:01, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
For now, I'm going to start on the suburban lines to the north, since those don't have any color/icon issues to sort out. Cards84664 (talk) 19:15, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

CalTrain[edit]

Could you kindly clip this article? It finally provides a definite end date (and cause of death) for CalTrain. Thanks, Pi.1415926535 (talk) 22:40, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation needed[edit]

With this edit to Roanoke station (Virginia) you introduced a link to Bristol station, a disambiguation page. I'm presuming you meant to link to Bristol station (Virginia) but I'm not awake enough to figure out how to adjust the adjacent stations template to fix it myself. Thryduulf (talk) 22:56, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Thryduulf: Thanks. I was even thinking about Bristol as I set up the template and then it slipped my mind. Fixed: [2]. Mackensen (talk) 22:58, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
July 14, 2-7pm: Annual NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Roosevelt Island

You are invited to join us at the "picnic anyone can edit" in the lovely Southpoint Park on Roosevelt Island, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

This year the Wiknic will double as a "Strategy Salon" (more information at Wiknic page), using open space technology to address major questions facing our social movement.

2–7pm - come by any time!
Our picnicking area is at Southpoint Park, south of the tram and subway, and also just south of the Cornell Tech campus.
Look for us by the Wikipedia / Wikimedia NYC banner!

Celebrate our 13th year of wiki-picnics! We hope to see you there! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 21:36, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

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High Speed Rail ( HSR ) vs Higher Speed Rail[edit]

The disruptive edits pushing the non-encyclopedic term "Higher Speed Rail" need to end. This is a long running debate & it's well accepted and known that High Speed Rail ( HSR ) is not only valid but the term to use in the contect of Wikipedia. If you're writing a PhD thesis for some civil engineering stuff, knock yourself out with the pedantic "Higher Speed Rail". Outside of specialized subjects it's not appropriate. Information icon Hello. This is a message to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions did not appear constructive and has been reverted. Please take some time to familiarise yourself with our policies and guidelines. You can find information about these at our welcome page which also provides further information about contributing constructively to this encyclopedia. If you only meant to make test edits, please use the sandbox for that. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you may leave a message on my talk page. Thank you.

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A tag has been placed on Category:Altamont Corridor Express succession templates requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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RfC at Stanley Kubrick[edit]

This is a courtesy notice that there is an ongoing RfC about adding an infobox to Stanley Kubrick at Talk:Stanley Kubrick. Since you are a previous participant in such discussions, you may be interested in participating. --Laser brain (talk) 16:27, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

A tag has been placed on Category:Reading Company templates requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

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August 28: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (+editathons before and after)[edit]

August 28, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

Featuring this month a review of the recent Wikimania 2019 conference in Sweden!

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 17:58, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit-a-thons at Interference Archive and The Met

Also check out these editing events, before and after our WikiWednesday Salon:

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Template:MUNI stations[edit]

I think I've now replaced all uses of {{MUNI stations}} and its associated data templates, as well as little-used redirects {{MUNI}}, {{sfms}}, {{MUNIs}}, and {{MUNI heritage stations}}. (I do still have a bit of cleanup to do with the new module, which I should finish shortly). Would you mind doing the deletion nom? Pi.1415926535 (talk) 09:27, 2 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Side question: Is there any way to specify a station in an adjacent stations module as not being a link? For some instances (particularly some old Muni terminals) it'd e nice to just have plaintext with no link. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Pi.1415926535: I don't believe so; I'd noticed that pattern in some of the old MBTA Silver Line stops as well. From a meta perspective, a navigation box that doesn't link isn't very useful. Mackensen (talk) 21:30, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that is generally true. There are a few instances (I'm encountering one where several block-long BART stations have two F Market & Wharves stops above them at either end) where the ability not to link would be more useful than not. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sept 7, 12:30pm: Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Together, we'll expand Wikipedia:WikiProject Fashion topics for basic clothing types that can be illustrated by the Met collection, and also past Costume Institute exhibitions!

It's the last weekend for Camp: Notes on Fashion, and we will have an intro talk to the exhibit by a guest from the Costume Institute, and participants will then be able to visit it on their own. Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm.

With refreshments, and there will be a wiki-cake!

Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided.

12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan
(note this is just south of the main entrance)
Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm, and some wiki-visitors may wish to take this opportunity to see Camp: Notes on Fashion together after the formal event.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends, colleagues and students! --Wikimedia New York City Team 19:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Rayment[edit]

Template:Rayment has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Guy (help!) 22:46, 10 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of George W. Washington for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article George W. Washington is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George W. Washington until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:24, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Beyond My Ken: I think I must have been reverting page-move vandalism when I created the original redirect; Coemgenus converted it into a stub and should also be notified. Best, Mackensen (talk) 11:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks. The notification to you was made by Twinkle, so i really had nothing to do with it. Ill notify Coemgenus by hand. Beyond My Ken (talk) 15:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
September 25, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team ~~~~~

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October 23rd, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
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We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 05:33, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

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Saturday November 16, 12:30 pm - 4:30pm: Metropolitan Museum of Art Edit-a-thon

The Wikipedia Asian Month Edit-a-thon @ The Met will be hosted at the Metropolitan Museum of Art on Saturday November 16, 2019 in the Bonnie Sacerdote Classroom, Ruth and Harold D. Uris Center for Education (81st Street entrance) at The Met Fifth Avenue in New York City.

The museum is excited to work with Wikipedia Asian Month for the potential to seed new articles about Asian artworks, artwork types, and art traditions, from any part of Asia. These can be illustrated with thousands of its recently-released images of public domain artworks available for Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons from the museum’s collection spanning 5,000 years of art. The event is an opportunity for Wikimedia communities to engage The Met's diverse Asian collections onsite and remotely. Asia Art Archive will host a sister event in Hong Kong next week.

12:30 pm - 4:30 pm in Bonnie Sacerdote Classroom, Uris Center for Education
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EMD F7[edit]

In this edit, you commented WP:COPYVIOEL don't apply to citations. I have heard from an administrator Diannaa who is a copyright expert that it is applicable in this discussion. FYI. If you have any comment, please chime into the thread. Graywalls (talk) 01:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Graywalls: That discussion doesn't appear to support the action that you took on the EMD F7 article. It might be appropriate to remove the direct link and convert it into an unlinked citation. I would note that the overarching guideline on external links, of which WP:COPYVIOEL is a part, specifically says "This guideline does not apply to inline citations or general references". Beyond all this, it's not entirely clear that the operator manuals for the F7, and other locomotives, are even still under copyright. Mackensen (talk) 03:45, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, I see what you're referring to. That's bad wording on the guideline page, but my other point stands. Linking out to scanned manuals of locomotives that are no longer sold, where that website is not profiting in any way, is almost certainly permissible fair use. Mackensen (talk) 03:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I am not so certain. That might be so if it was a "snippet" preview, but I'd be inclined to say otherwise on a website that is a repository of a bunch of full scanned PDFs of manuals. One of those pages contained full scan of a journal, which offers no preview on Google Books. If it wasn't of copyright issues, Google would be making the whole thing viewable. I don't believe "not being available anymore publicly" makes a case for posting copies online under fair use. In the case of this specific resource, the copyright holder wasn't amused either and sent one of those websites a cease and desist. http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/p/194242/2121229.aspx Graywalls (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Reply moved to Talk:EMD F7. Mackensen (talk) 04:09, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Tokyo Metro through trains[edit]

Here's a rather unique situation: Shinjuku-sanchōme Station serves the S-Train, a named train that operates continuously between the Tokyo Metro and other commuter rail companies. The operators switch out at their respective transfer points, so I was wondering if there's a way with Template:Adjacent stations to display a line from one company (Seibu) underneath another company's title bar (Metro). (Below is an example in s-line)

{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Tokyo Metro}}
{{s-line|system=Seibu Railway|line=S-Train|previous=Ikebukuro|note={{TSSN|F|09|size=25}}|next=Shibuya|note2={{TSSN|F|16|size=25}}|type2=Motomachi-Chukagai|notemid=(weekends and national holidays)}}
{{s-end}}

{{s-start}}
{{s-rail|title=Seibu Railway}}
{{s-line|system=Seibu Railway|line=S-Train|previous=Tokorozawa|note={{SBSN|SI|17|size=25}}|next=Ikebukuro|note2={{TSSN|F|09|size=25}}|type2=Motomachi-Chukagai|notemid=(weekends and national holidays)}}
{{s-end}}

If not, I'll just add the same line under both companies when I create Module:Adjacent stations/Tokyo Metro and Module:Adjacent stations/Seibu Railway. Cards84664 (talk) 16:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Cards84664: I don't believe that's possible, so I think your solution of having it in both companies/systems templates makes sense. Mackensen (talk) 17:34, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Swiss stop names[edit]

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Adjancent stations for Rock Island[edit]

Hey. I went to the trouble of getting Rock Island infoboxes in, but apparently RI is not in the Adjacent stations system. This problem manifests itself the worst at Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Depot Freight House and Train Shed for Minneapolis, because I can't get these two (s-rail and adjacent stations) together. Wondering if RI is in the plans? Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 20:41, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like that should be consolidated to Rock Island Lines for this stuff. I get the official name and all, but that's incredibly long to use. (Not a fan the station titles use that either.) Thanks though. Also, I have echo turned off. ;) Mitch32(Fame is a four letter word.) 23:35, 12 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Afd Emin Boztepe[edit]

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Template:Adjacent stations[edit]

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I have overhauled the module, replacing sporadic former services with branches and former branches. I have kept your reversal of the Congress branch intact, but I will be keeping branch names away from current services. They are redundant to the line parameter of the station infoboxes (save Ashland, Cermak, East 63rd). Pre-1993 branches that have not changed significantly over their service-operating history will also display current colors. I'll also keep the Loop Shuttle intact, since it's a lot easier to navigate to the old Randolph and Madison stations that way. Cards84664 (talk) 06:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A good example of the updates I've made so far is Harvard station (CTA). I've covered 2017 to 1992 so far, and tomorrow I'll continue from 1982 down. Cards84664 (talk) 10:59, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cards84664: Looks good, thanks for doing that. Mackensen (talk) 14:18, 16 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Finished up today, the last of which being Fifth/Lake station. I also moved the Northwest branch to Logan Square branch, mainly due to conflicting sources across multiple articles, and because the 1898 map is solid proof of the name used. Cards84664 14:32, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
All s-line templates related to the CTA may now be deleted, all transclusions have been replaced. Cards84664 19:05, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cards84664: Taking a look at this now; I think CTA color still has some cleanup. Could be a dependent rint template. Mackensen (talk) 12:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Cards84664: As I suspected, the non-current CTA stuff in {{Rail-interchange}} isn't used. I think it should just be removed. Mackensen (talk) 16:47, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea. Those navy-ish blue colors for the former lines were just used on the maps. Cards84664 19:34, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Seanhaines2000[edit]

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