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August 30

What are the advantages of creating an account?

For the last two weeks or so, I have been editing Wikipedia from my IP address. I am considering making an account, but I don't want to enter my email. Could you please let me know what advantages of having an account are? Thank you. 174.0.3.148 (talk) 00:33, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Why create an account? It's optional to give an email address but if you don't then you lose access to the account if you forget the password. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Is it not true that you can recover from a lost password if you use Template:Committed identity, even of you don't reveal your email address?

Committed identity: c0c5e71bca550e99a8ae6641e66c428e232051bade39cd47355634ff159c9475fffa1d12eee339aa401bfe5b31ff7fc352c2b9c6f002bfe82d03a6b3f9e40047 is a SHA-512 commitment to this user's real-life identity.

BTW, for 12 years Wikipedia has had an email address for me that nobody else knows about, and they have never spammed me, sold the email address, or used it in any way unless I have opted in for a particular use (such as turning on the "email this user" feature, which sends me an email but doesn't reveal my email address to the person emailing me). --Guy Macon (talk) 01:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

You can ask for a developer to set an email address for your account so a new password can be mailed but they only consider it in special cases like users with advanced rights or large edit counts. They require evidence the request is from the real user. Template:Committed identity can help with that but it's more intended for cases where a hacker has taken over your account. For forgotten passwords, an email address is the way to go. Comparison of webmail providers shows many services where you can create a free account if you don't want to give your main address. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:25, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Note this IP's edits at WP:AN, plus it geolocates to Calgary; clearly a sock of WikiVandal. Home Lander (talk) 01:34, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Bullock family

Please place the file of Colonel Bullock above the file/pic named "Faulkbourne Hall 1817" which is currently on the page; this make s more sense chronologically. I am too scared to attempt this. Thanks 203.132.68.1 (talk) 02:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

How does it make more sense? Bullock was born in 1731. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Misread year. Clarityfiend (talk) 04:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

please fix - yes - the colonel wad born before the picture/paining of falkbourne hall done in 1817; therefore his picture should be higher up than the pub. thanks if u can do this175.33.211.40 (talk) 07:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

No, it does not make sense at all. Even though colonel John Bullock was born before the painting of the Faulkbourne Hall was made, the Hall itself is much older than him, and it is mentioned earlier in the article than him. It is reasonable to have illustrations along the text where the depicted object or person is mentioned, not in the order of images' creation. --CiaPan (talk) 08:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Template

Hello everyone, I'm from ckbwiki. I copied {{In the news}} template content, then paste here. But the image was very big (I made it to be a comment now) and Main page has some problem now. Please who can fix it? ئارام بکر (talk) 09:05, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

The problem is ckb:Template:ifempty but I don't know why it's broken. It's supposed to use ckb:Module:If empty to return the first non-empty parameter. At the English Wikipedia, a{{ifempty|100}}b{{#invoke:If empty|main|100}}c correctly produces a100b100c. At ckb it produces ab100c. This means that calling the module directly works but calling it via the template fails. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:48, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Help:Please help with syntax on my ref name=JDavidB (FOLLOWUP)

Please help me DEBUG the "<ref name=JDavidB>" in Berel Berkovits; I tried adding quotes, as in name="JDavidB" even though should not be necessary. Pi314m (talk) 09:47, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I've done this which incorporates the quote "That tragic event occurred during a short stopover in Jerusalem on Dayan Berkovits' return from Egypt, where he was engaged in a mission associated with his communal responsibilities.". DuncanHill (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

First of all, thank you very much. I tried reversing the first and second JDavidB, didn't work. Then I tried the quotes around JDavidB, also zilch. While not trying to seem ungrateful, and yes I see the workaround- TWO citations, one with QUOTE=, the other without: Is there a Wiki bug, possibly documented, and if not, is this something to submit to the bugfixers? Pi314m (talk) 10:10, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Pi314m: There was an error in formatting of references that was hiding part of contents: the reference in:

known as Berel Berkovits<ref name=Amend/)

was closed with a rounded parenthese ) instead of an angle bracket >.
Fixed: Special:Diff/857223104. --CiaPan (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Mongol religion

I need help. Please come to this page: Wikiproject:History.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 13:57, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

...and you've been appropriately guided there. Lourdes 16:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think so. The Muslims will have an article called History of Islam, The Christians will have an article called History of Christianity, but we Mongols will not have an article called "History of Shamanism", That is not called proper guidance.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 18:29, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Genghis khan2846: You have clearly stated that you think there should be a new article on Wikipedia, on the History of Mongol Shamanism. However, you do not seem to understand how Wikipedia works, so here is a simple explanation. All 100,000 or so of the currently active editors are volunteers, and nobody directs any of us to create a new article. If you want this article to come into existence, then you are free to write the article yourself (see WP:YFA for guidance). Alternatively, you can request that such an article be created, but such a request will result in an article only if some particular volunteer becomes interested in the subject. There is no mechanism for anyone to direct any one of the active editors to do this task. -Arch dude (talk) 19:09, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

If I translate the article from some other versions of Wikipedia using the "Wikipedia translating tool" will that be acceptable?--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 20:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

It may be, provided it passes the English Wikipedia's general notability guidelines (or subject-specific notability guidelines). Thanks, Lourdes 01:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Pageview analysis - country information?

Does the Pageview analysis tool, or any similar one, provide information on the countries where the views originated from? --KnightMove (talk) 14:53, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

AFAIK, no. —AE (talk • contributions) 14:55, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Only for Wikiprojects as a whole and not for individual pages; privacy concerns I guess: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/AQS/Pageviews#Pageviews_split_by_country ....... Lourdes 15:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Add a name to a page

I need to add Veryle Rupp to this page. He’s a 1978 Webber Douglas graduate. IMDb has him listed and Webber Douglas FB

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Verylerupp (talk • contribs) 16:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Verylerupp, but no, you do not "need" to add anybody to anything in Wikipedia. Promotion of any sort is strictly forbidden in Wikipedia, and any attempt to use it for somebody's publicity or on-line presence tends to be strongly resisted. If you meet Wikipedia's criteria for being notable (which is not about importance, or fame, or popularity, or influence, but simply about whether there is enough independent reliable-published material to base an article on) then we can have an article about you, and your name can be added to appropriate lists. But you should on no account try to create such an article yourself - see autobiography for why not - and if it is created, you will have no control over its contents. Please read some of the links that somebody has thoughtfully put on your user talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Verylerupp: In addition, names are not added to the category as you did at Category:Alumni of the Webber Douglas Academy of Dramatic Art. If an article can be supported as outlined above, then the article is placed into the category by adding the latter to the appropriate section. Eagleash (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

James Averdieck

Hello I am editing my wikipedia page - James Averdieck - to update my personal status. I am no longer married to Annie and want to update to state my fiancé is Charlotte. I have done this twice now and it changes for a few hours then reverts back to the old content. How can you help me make sure my edits change permanently please?

Thank you James — Preceding unsigned comment added by Javerdieck 1165 (talk • contribs)

@Javerdieck 1165: Please review the policy on autobiographical articles; it is strongly advised that you not edit about yourself, instead you may make edit requests on article talk pages for any changes you feel are needed.

With regard to the specific change, the information about your personal status is not in the source currently provided in the article. Unfortunately, we cannot simply take your word for it that things have changed, as we have no way of knowing you are who you say you are at this time. (I would suggest that you confirm your identity with Wikipedia by emailing the address listed in the paragraph this link takes you to.) Even if we did, we would need a documented source for the information. Is the change in your personal status in a source similar to the source the article had for your prior status? 331dot (talk) 20:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I have removed the disputed section because there are no current, independent, reliable sources available for verification. Vexations (talk) 22:19, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Vexations:, the 2006 Daily Telegraph article abut James Averdieck refers to "James and Annie Averdieck" and the photo of them and two children is captioned "James and Annie Averdieck with their family", and the article itself includes some details about the children. The 2010 Evening Standard article states "James Averdieck, 44, lives with his wife and two children in south-west London." Both The Daily Telegraph and the Evening Standard are reliable sources.

Rather than the now deleted "He is married to Annie, they have two children, and live in south-west London", how about we replace that with "As of 2010, Averdieck was married to Annie, they had two children, and lived in south-west London." We should also re-add "Children: 2" to the infobox, and for now at least leave out "Spouse(s): Annie". Edwardx (talk) 17:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

I'll respond on the talk page. Vexations (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Couple of questions over

Hi

I was just wandering how long does it take on average for a page to be published also is there any way to check on that process?

Many thanks

Ollie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Olip97 (talk • contribs) 20:20, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

@Olip97: I assume this refers to Draft:Danny Ligairi. You have not submitted it for review- and you should not do so until your draft has references from independent reliable sources. Submitting it now would only lead to it being declined. Once submitted, reviews are conducted by volunteers like yourself, and it usually takes some time, many weeks, if not a couple months. 331dot (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I've wandered many a time meself wondering about this. Lourdes 01:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

We know a song about that, don't we, children? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.212.15.178 (talk) 09:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Editor disputes on Talk:South African farm attacks

Hello, I'm coming to ask for some advice/assistance after seeing a Wikipedia:Teahouse question that could use some answers from anyone here. There's been ongoing discussion between editors on Talk:South African farm attacks, and the article subject is very controversial and disputed especially now. I'm not involved in the discussions at all, but it is an ongoing and extremely charged debate, per discussions at Talk:South African farm attacks# A dispute and Talk:South African farm attacks#Is the Wikipedia article, South African Farm Attacks, devolving into an activist editor political racewar?, and I'd like to see things be more under control if admins step in and lock the page or whatever is most appropriate. If I can redirect my question anywhere else, please let me know, thanks! Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 21:28, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

You could consider leaving a note at WP:AN (if you've never left a note at AN before, follow the instructions at the top of that page very carefully). Lourdes 01:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Help with an edit that keeps being deleted after I submit it

I have been trying to add the name of my Supernatural Impala replica car to the page that defines "Darkness" because the name of the car is "The Darkness". I submitted a link to her facebook page and two other website sources that list her name. I don't understand why it keeps being deleted. Wikipedia accepted the name of another Supernatural Impala replica car named "Venator" under the term Venator. I don't see a difference in what I'm submitting. I would be most grateful for any assistance you can provide. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redgal65 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

I suggest that you have a look at the answer given to the same question you asked yesterday under Don't understand why you keep deleting the definition I am submitting. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Redgal65: It seems you'd already posted this question yesterday at Wikipedia:Help desk#Don't understand why you keep deleting the definition I am submitting and it was appropriately answered there. The edit in Venator was removed as well. Per David Biddulph, you may take a look at MOS:DABENTRY. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 22:01, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Redgal65 Hello. You seem to have misunderstood the purpose of a disambiguation page. Those pages are used to point people in the right direction when they search for a term for which more than one article could be what they are looking for (e.g. if someone searches for John Smith, which of the many historically notable John Smiths are they looking for?). Unfortunately, there is no article about your car, therefore your car should not be listed on a disambiguation page. As for Venator, it seems it was overlooked when someone added the car to that page on August 8, but the situation has now been rectified and it is no longer listed there.

You did indeed leave an edit summary including the facebook page and couple other links, but they do not appear to meet the threashold of notability required for a topic to have a Wikipedia article. In short, your car should not be listed on the disambiguation page unless it has an article, and it should not have an article unless multiple reliable sources have written articles specifically about your car. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 22:03, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

August 31

languages that I want to use

I see too many languages at wiki. I want to restrict them to the following 6: German, Russian, Spanish, French, Italian and Portuguese. How to eliminate the unwanted languages?

Norm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mikalac (talk • contribs) 00:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia comes in different language editions and the community aims to include any and all languages as long as there are editors willing to build the editions in different languages. Please see Wikipedia:Multilingual coordination. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 00:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Mikalac: I guess you refer to which languages are shown under "Languages" in the left pane. The bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering has the option "Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you." PrimeHunter (talk) 00:23, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction PrimeHunter, I misunderstood that. Rosalina2427 ^{(talk to me)} 00:32, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Hovering pop-ups

How do I restore full pop-ups when hovering over links, today it only is giving me the link-label. 24.17.109.161 (talk) 05:54, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

As an IP editor, you probably meant Page Previews than popups. Read Page Previews#Enable/Disable to understand how to get the same activated. By any chance if you mean how to enable popups (a facility provided to logged in users), you can read the instructions at Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups#Automatic installation. Write back if something is unclear. Warmly, Lourdes 07:12, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Help needed from someone who understands Korean

At Talk:TrueCrypt#Druking a new editor is making claims that are

• [A] extremely implausible from a technical standpoint, and
• [B] according to Google Translate, do not appear appear to be contained in the sources he cited.

But we all know that Google Translate often misses important things, so I need someone who understands Korean to read the sources and post an opinion as to whether the claims are found in the sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: The folks over at Wikipedia:Translators available may be able to help you. I reccommend you take this to the article's talk page and then work with those guys. -Arch dude (talk) 15:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Edit needs to be "burned"

This edit was reverted here:[1], but an admin should burn from history (for reason that should be obvious). 2606:A000:1126:4CA:0:98F2:CFF6:1782 (talk) 06:36, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Someone has revdelled this. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:44, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Required status column for Telaga caste. Mark as Forward caste

Wikepedia to add this content to Telaga Caste pages and also pass this information to the user who edits this page. Also, it is mentioned as backward peasant caste under Kapu Caste category which is incorrect information. They are classified as Forward Caste.

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Telaga Caste Telaga is a Community of the Indian state of Andhra Pradesh, concentrated primarily in the Coastal Areas of Andhra. The Telagas are Agriculturists by Profession and have been Fuedal landlords. Telaga is a Branch or a Division of the Kapu, or Naidu Community of Andhra. They have the caste title Naidu, Dora. They are classified as Forward Caste or OC category. Contents Sub Castes Origins Legend Telaga Names Sub Castes The other SubCastes or Geographical Names of Telagas are Kapu Balija / Balija Naidu Munnuru Kapu (Patels) Turpu Kapu Ontari Naidu Origins The Origin of the Telagas can be traced back to the Western Chalukyan Expansion into Andhra region which happened in the 6th century A.D. Telagas are the most ancient Warrior/Agricultural clans of the Deccan and South India who are specialised in warfare. The term Telaga was a derivation of the word Telingana.Andhra was referred to as Telingana in the ancient texts as it was the area that had three major Shivinsa-Aramas, thus was called Tri-Linga', and the people living there were called Telugus and the language spoken by the people there was called Telugu. The Telagas have served as Nayakulu (Governors),commanders and vassals of the Western Chalukya rulers under Pulakesin.These commanders were also called Telugu Nayakulu from which the community name might also might have been derived Telaga. They formed the bulwark of Ancient armies of the Deccan and South India like Cholas,Pallavas,Chalukyas,Kakatiyas etc.They seem to have a connection with the Eastern Chalukyas. The Vassals of Chalukyas entered into Matrimonial Alliances and ultimately established the Chalukya- Chola Dynasity. Etukuri Balaramamurthy and Colin McKenzie in fact mentione that these Telagas or Kapu communnity are the Descendants of these were these Telugu Cholas. Telugu Cholas The Telugu Cholas rules for over Four Centuries the various regions of Andhra. Important ruling Clans were Velanati Choluluof Palnadu War who supported Bramha Naidu in his war against the Nalagam Raju. Renati Cholas Konidena Cholas Nannuru Cholas Nellore Chola Kings After the fall of the Easten Chalukyan kingdoms and the Velanati Cholas. The Telagas had to serve under the Kakateeyas as Vassals and accept their Suzzienarity.Under the new rulers they were given the title Nayaka/Nayakudu and played a major role in shaping the history of modern Andhra. After the fall of the Kakateeyas the Telagas under Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka led the battle against the invading Bahamanis by combining forces with the Reddy,Velama and Balija Nayaks and liberated the Andhra Country from Tyrranny nd Destruction. Telagas had matrimonial Alliances with the Kakateeya and Vijayanagar Rulers.Araveeti Rama Raya the son in law of Krishna Devaraya and the ruler of the last Dynasity of Viajayanagar was a Tealaga. This family was a Eastern Chalukyan Fuedataory called the Arayeti Family which became Araveeti in due cource of time. With Vijayanagara coming into power the Telagas served under the new rulers and were Dispatched off to Protect the farflung regions of the empire to Tamil Nadu and were posted as Nayaks and took up Administration as Nayaks/Nayakers. The most famous Telaga General was Viswanatha Nayaka who started the Madurai Nayak Dynasit. -- Source Penugonda Charitra.. After the fall of the Vijayanagar Empire in the Battle of Talikota large sections of Telagas migrated towards the North and settled down in their Native Country the Godavari deltas and took to agriculture.And some of them went further South and settled down in the Tanjavur region and joined the Tanjavur Nayaks Army. Telagas are known for their bravery and fearlessness aptly put by a famous Telrugu Saying describing the community "Teginche vade Telaga" which means "One who dares is a Telaga".Even now we can find swords,armours and weapons with some of the Telaga families in Rajamundry.All of these people are Vaishnavas and have Sri Venugopala Swami has their family deity. Another Legendary Instance of Telaga Bravery was exhibited during the Bobbili War fought between the Velama Kingdom and the Vizianagaram kingdom led by Vijayaram raju. When all seemed lost for the Bobbilli Ranga Rayudu the Bobbili King before riding out to war in no mood to submit the honour and the Dignity of the Royal House Ordered all of his commanders to Execute their Families before riding out to meet their fate. Accordingly the Telaga and Velama Commanders and Soldiers Executed their families before proceeding out to war. Viajayaramaraju was laid to rest by a valiant Telaga Commander Miriyala Venkata Rao along with Papa Rayudu. -- Bobbili Charitra Legend Pulakesin II’s brother, Kubja Vishnu Vardhana, founded the Eastern Chalukya Empire after he was appointed Viceroy of Vengi and gave many of his trusted generals fiefdoms to rule over as his vassals and took up reign as Telaga Nayakulu (Governors). Most of the Telagas are fuedal landlords concentrated mainly in the coastal areas of Andhra. Telaga Names The Telagas are also called Naidu and they also have prefixes like Setty and Reddy in their names denoting their Profession Popular Surnames Some of the surnames are derived from the Weapons used by this warrior community Sunkara, Tupakula, Kathula And Other Surnames are Village names and Names which came out of their Professions having suffixes like Setty and Reddy KATIKIREDDY, Putta, puppala, gundubilli, Nagam, Reddipalli, pupala, vempala, basava, battula, tellakula, masupu Yerramsetti, Ayitham, Chikkam, Chinimilli, Palacholla, Nimmakayala, Bonam, Dasari, Dodda, Doddi, Vuragayala, Chilakalapalli, Davala, Konidela, Nalanagula, Allu, Kota, Kaikala, Kambala, vejju, Adabala, Pappula, Vangaveeti, Addagarla, Sunkara, Cheruku, Kondra, Kolla, Gandham, Chodisetty, Polisetty, Pilla, Turumulla, Tirumalasetti, Majji, Mande, Mucherla, Namburu, Neelam, Padala, Kommana, Yerrabolu, Alla, Bontha, Batreddi, Konidena, Dwaram, Theegala, Thota,Tuta, Mallepudi, Koppana,Koppusetty, Ramisetty, Rangisetty, Nagisetty, Kamisetty, elisetti, mokka, Koppireddy, Kunche, Grandhi, Savaram, Surabattula, Siddireddi, Oosuri, Yadla, Vaddi, Ambati, Yenugula, muppidi, Yalavarthi, Tanneru, Gatti, Badiga, Akula, uppu, nallam, chintalapudi, villa, maddimsetty, tadi, rednam, ganji, bhimala, kotipalli, mutyala, katnam, akkireddy, vungarala, pinaka, Pinisetty, kethinidi, kasireddy, nukala, arigela, yedida, akasam, saladi, ghanta, davuluri, desamsetty, chilaka, vallamsetty, Ravada, Rudra, Singamsetty, Sanam, Nandam, Kantamsetty, Yepuri, Allu, Gurram, Yedida, yarra, sirigineedi, kunapareddi, nagireddi, mutyala, jagata, guruju, tikkisetti, adapa, addala and arava.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:48:C500:F392:81D3:C19A:2F7F:55FB (talk) 07:31, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, take this to the Telaga article talk page, although given the history of various similar attempts in the past, I don't think this request will go through.​ Thanks, Lourdes 07:50, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Automatic row numbering?

Is there an existing template or otherwise that allows wikitable rows to be automatically numbered in wiki, such as to automate the process in articles like Cardinal electors for the papal conclave, 2013? This is to resolve the issue of manually attaching numbers to each row and then necessitating tedious changes if rows have to be removed or re-ordered. Thanks. RAVENPVFF | talk ~ 09:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Category:Table templates or Help:Tables contain nothing of the sort. I find it hard to believe it does not exist, though. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:10, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

There is no good solution. See Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

{{row indexer}}

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: Thanks; that's exactly what I was looking for. RAVENPVFF | talk ~ 15:02, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Poland

Poland is in the central Europe):C — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.24.30.57 (talk) 13:56, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

The opening sentence of Poland says so. If you are suggesting a change to one of our five million other articles then please say which one. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dafer_Sahib#External_links

I am the one who wrote this biography of coach Dafer Sahib because this is "my father's" coach, I hope that you will not delete this topic because the source is me personally Thank you ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ahmad dafer (talk • contribs) 14:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Your personal knowledge is not an acceptable source for Wikipedia, see WP:Verifiability. Wikipedia needs published independent reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

What is difference between Teahouse and Help desk?

What is difference between Wikipedia:Teahouse and Wikipedia:Help_desk? Shushugah (talk) 15:06, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

They have an overlapping scope, but very generally, the Teahouse is geared somewhat more toward very new users specifically, while the help desk is a more general purpose forum, where you will more often see very experienced editors asking questions, and more questions of a highly technical nature than you will normally see at the Teahouse. GMG^talk 15:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

What GMG said...apart from the fact that at a Teahouse, you normally get tea and chit chat away on getting to know the place; while at the Help desk, you get something akin to end user support... Lourdes 01:52, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Help repairing text of the website.

Hello, request help to repair text on this website. If you can click "English List" on the right side of the website, and then click - Authonomy 1920-36 and - Regions of KazSSR, you would see a website full of question marks. There are also a picture of the Emblem of the Kazakh Soviet Socialist Republic. The website provides a very precious and valuable information about the article, if the error can be repaired.--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• This is the help desk for using and editing the English Wikipedia. It is not the right place for asking about repairs to other web sites. Do you have a question about using or editing here? -Arch dude (talk) 15:27, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@Arch dude: If the reparation is complete, it would've helped referencing about the article. So, what I am requesting is explicitly connected to Wikipedia.

It is about "editing the article."--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 15:31, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• @Jeromi Mikhael:. We at Wikipedia cannot modify another web site. However, the problem is likely to be that your browser cannot properly interpret the character set used on that site. The folks over at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Computing may be able to help with that. -Arch dude (talk) 16:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Condensing multiple citations

As I understand it, refs cannot be nested inside other refs, so what solutions are there for a situation where a statement has 5+ citations, and it is getting cluttered, but the citations are also named references, so they simply use something like <ref name='Recipe'/>. I am trying to address a real use case in Edward Snowden page where even trimming down citations, it's still hard to read when not merged.

So while this example below is possible, the one after produces an error.

Markup	Renders as
Hello text<ref name="EditorialBoard">{{cite news |last1=Editorial Board |title=State Senate candidate Julia Salazar seems to keep making up her past (ex cathedra editorial) |url=https://nypost.com/2018/08/26/state-senate-candidate-julia-salazar-seems-to-keep-making-up-her-past/ |accessdate=27 August 2018 |publisher=New York Post |date=26 August 2016}} * Interesting news article * Another fascinating news article </ref> {{reflist}}	Hello text

Below is not formated, due to nest ref error

Hello text<ref name="EditorialBoard">{{cite news |last1=Editorial Board |title=State Senate candidate Julia Salazar seems to keep making up her past (ex cathedra editorial) |url=https://nypost.com/2018/08/26/state-senate-candidate-julia-salazar-seems-to-keep-making-up-her-past/ |accessdate=27 August 2018 |publisher=New York Post |date=26 August 2016}} * <ref name="ExistingNamedRef"></ref> </ref> {{reflist}}

Hey Shushugah. As far as I know, if you are using multiple references, you will have to repeat named refs with each bullet point. For example:

Johnny told the devil "you son of a gun, I'm the best there's ever been."<ref name="daniels">The Devil went down to Georgia. (1979) Charlie Daniels. ''Epic Records''.</ref> They engaged in a fiddle playing contest which Johnny won.<ref name="daniels"/> The story was later told in a popular song by Charlie Daniels.<ref>* The Devil went down to Georgia. (1979) Charlie Daniels. ''Epic Records''.
* Billboard top 100 songs about the Devil. 1989. ''Billboard''
* Interview with the Devil. 2004. ''The Rolling Stone''</ref>

Which would give you this"

Johnny told the devil "you son of a gun, I'm the best there's ever been." They engaged in a fiddle playing contest which Johnny won. The story was later told in a popular song by Charlie Daniels.

References

You can't use the named ref within a ref because AFAIK you can't nest ref tags within one another. GMG^talk 16:55, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

@GreenMeansGo: I think I've fixed the formatting error now, btw. I don't think it was this section that caused the trouble - it was an unclosed ref tag on a post way above that I've now nowikied.--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 17:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

To clarify - I'm talking about the formatting problem with the help desk, not the question Shushugah originally asked. :)--SkyGazer 512 ^{Oh no, what did I do this time?} 17:08, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks a bunch. And that's why it worked in preview but not in the page...and why for the life of me I couldn't figure out what was wrong with my markup...because there wasn't anything wrong. :P GMG^talk 17:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Nested infobox templates

I am trying to add the field birth_name to Uri Avnery's infobox. Currently it uses {{Infobox member of the Knesset}} which does not have that field. I have a few options.

1. Propose to edit to {{Infobox member of the Knesset}} to include the new field (I don't have template editing abilities) 2. Wrap the template inside another one. I tried this, but it has some styling issue, see enclosed markup and result below, with 'birth_name' being steve jobs.

Markup	Renders as
{{Infobox member of the Knesset | image = Uri Avneri 1965-11-01 (cropped).jpg | caption = Avnery in 1965 | birth_date = {{Birth date|df=y|1923|9|10|}} | birth_place = [[Beckum, Germany|Beckum]], Germany | death_date = {{death date and age|df=y|2018|8|20|1923|9|10|}} | death_place = [[Tel Aviv]], [[Israel]] | Year of Aliyah = 1933 | Knesset(s) = [[Israeli legislative election, 1965|6]], [[Israeli legislative election, 1969|7]], [[Israeli legislative election, 1977|9]] | party1 = [[Meri (political party)|Meri]] | partyyears1 = 1965–1974 | party2 = [[Left Camp of Israel]] | partyyears2 = 1979–1981 |module= {{infobox person |birth_name = Steve Jobs }}}}

Shushugah (talk) 17:41, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

JOE (R&B Singer)

In JOE's bio on wikipedia, it states that he moved to New Jersey and became acquainted with Producer, Vincent Herbert which resulted in a record deal with Polygram Records. This patently false. Vincent Herbert had nothing to do with JOE getting a record deal with Polygram. JOE was managed by me (Tselane Williams) and my sister Michele Williams through our company Big Arm Management. I have the actual management agreement. I secured and negotiated his record deal with Mercury/Polygram. He was signed by Dave McPherson. After 2 years and the release of his critically acclaimed Gold debut album, I secured a release for JOE from his record deal with MErcury records and found a new deal for him with Jive Records. That deal resulted in a new album and the release of several chart topping hits including "Don't Want To Be a Player" (co-written by Michele Williams), "I Wanna Know" and "Stutter." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninelivesent (talk • contribs) 18:05, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

The place to suggest changes is at Talk:Joe (singer), supported by references to published reliable sources. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:11, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

This forum is not for content dispute, rather technical questions of HOW to use wikipedia. That said, I see the claim on that page his no citation. Do you have citation? Original research, like contract sheets do not qualify since that is WP:OR. Imho, that section should be removed entirely, since it's unsubstantiated. Shushugah (talk) 18:14, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Ninelivesent Are you aware of published sources that better describe the chain of events? I see the section of Joe (singer) that describes his early career is insufficiently referenced, and that goes against best practices in Wikipedia. Since this is a biography of a living person it's important to us that we get things right, and part of that is ensuring that controversial information is properly referenced. I have added a citation needed tag to the sentence in question. If you can point me at sources to verify your claim I'll gladly change it, but we cannot simply take your word for it. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 18:16, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

adding an article

How Do I write an article?? I cannot seem to be able to get started. I wanted to list a location (a theatre) and a description of it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WBTPR1 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:34, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

• @WBTPR1:when reading WP:Your first article, please note (really, I mean pay careful attention to this) that the first step is fundamental: If your subject is not notable, by our definition, not yours, then it should not have an article on Wikipedia, no matter how well-written the article is. If you somehow manage to force an article on a non-notable subject onto Wikipedia, it will be deleted. If your subject is notable, then in theory even a poorly written article will be retained so that it can be improved later, but of course we really prefer to start with a well-written article. -Arch dude (talk) 18:57, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

Downloading and using images from Wikipedia

As part of an exhibit in our railroad museum, I wish to use an illustration that appears in Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Pacific_class_MC-1. Do we need your permission to use this illustration? How do we obtain it?

Steve Smith 108.192.89.247 (talk) 21:49, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

You can click on the image to see the licencing. [2] is in the public domain in the United States, so you can freely use it there (not sure about other countries). RudolfRed (talk) 22:03, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

No December 2018 Albums

What No December 2018 Albums GET YOUR LAZY BUTTS IN GEAR NOW. 68.103.78.155 (talk) 22:45, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:49, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

You're the same person who complains about US Sports articles for miles in the future not being done, right? Contribute yourself rather than just calling others lazy. It's the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

There is no hurry for this - or any other of your impolite requests. This IP has stated in the past that they do not wish to create an account. There is nothing wrong with that. OTOH their request can be ignored or even removed if the ad hominum attacks continue. MarnetteD|Talk 23:00, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

It tolls for thee.

-EEng

You rang?

-EEng

Wut?! Lazy butts? You must be referring to my dearest EEng, who is giving the HD a stepmotherly/fatherly treatment, despite such exciting messages being posted here. Lourdes 01:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I honestly have no idea what anyone here is talking about. EEng 02:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

But EEng WE RANG just for you :-) MarnetteD|Talk 04:08, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

This entire thread is like the roof joke. It's over my head. What's "HD"? EEng 04:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I thought that that would be obvious, no?! Lourdes 01:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps it's because the horoscope says my moon is in dullard this week, but I haven't the slightest idea what any of you are talking about. Seriously. EEng 17:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

September 1

Uncited material added again after reversion

Resolved

On August 25, I reverted an edit to Gloria Blondell because the statements about her parentage had no citation. At that time, I posted a comment on the talk page to explain the reason for reversion. No one has replied to the talk-page post, but today someone added the same information (again with no citation). Should the latest change remain with no verification? I don't want to get into an edit war. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:26, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Already handled by lightning Orangemike. Lourdes 01:36, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

missing links

you'r articals tell about a subject, but have no contact information. i was reading about forestry information for land owners, when i clicked on native tribes, it took me to a page about the history of native Americans but nothing about land owners. i expected to go to a page about help programs for natives, after all i was looking at a forestry resource assistance program page that had the link. and there is no link to any agency or person to contact to apply for assistance or help from. so from my point of view, your information is incomplete and worthless, it is information, yes. but useless information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.115.134.197 (talk) 05:24, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Providing names of individuals as contact persons in our articles sometimes goes against our privacy policy and/or anti-promotional policy. I can understand that yes, agency links can be provided in certain pages detailing forestry resource assistance programs. As every US State has a discrete program, would you be able to mention which article were you specifically referring to? Warmly, Lourdes 05:47, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Someone is messing with Wikipedia pages

Editor49 is messing with Wikipedia pages and writing misleading information about some people.

Please do recheck Benedict Cumberbatch's Wikipedia page as it has extremely misleading information about him.

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor14000605 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Handled by Eagleash, who has left them a warning (given their long history of unconstructive edits, I would perhaps suggest an immediate block at the relevant desk). Lourdes 05:58, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Editor14000605: The disruption has been reverted and the editor warned. They are trying to blame a younger sibling. In most cases you would be free to undo the edits yourself but this particular page has been protected so only autoconfirmed accounts can edit it. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:03, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hey, thank you for that. Was really bothering me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor14000605 (talk • contribs) 06:10, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Approval of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Victoria_University_of_Barbados

Dear All,

Please help me in finding out the problem with the page.

I need to get it approved. It has been lying as a draft for a long time now.

Best,

Ankit — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ankitnigam1986 (talk • contribs) 05:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Why do you "need to get it approved"? Are you connected with the university? The draft reads like an advert. You need to modify the text to an encyclopaedic style. Also add the "Reflist" template at the bottom, and remove your bolding of headings. Dbfirs 06:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ankitnigam1986: The page is not currently submitted for review. If you wish it to be so add {{subst:submit}} to the top of the page. This will place it at Afc where there is a possible 8 week wait for review. As implied by Dbfirs, you can as WP:AUTOCONFIRMED move it to mainspace yourself. I have fixed some of the formatting / layout issues but the points raised by Dbfirs should also be addressed before submittinmg or moving. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Ankitnigam1986: PS, you cannot use Wikipedia as a reference. Please see WP:UGC. Eagleash (talk) 06:33, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Also a lot of it is just copied from their website. Which is a copyvio and also just an advert. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Larsing Ming Sawyan

Extended article content

Larsing Ming Sawyan is a young entrepreneur who has contributed immensely to the field of Hospitality, Sports, Music and Entertainment in the region. He is the Managing Director of Centre Point Group Enterprise, a creative business house having its origins and headquarters in Shillong, Meghalaya with diverse enterprises ranging from Architectural Design, Construction, Event Management (Centre Point Entertainment Network), Football (Shillong Lajong Football Club), Mobile Distribution and retail, RCC Spun pipe manufacturing and a flagship chapter - Hoteliering (CPGE-Hotels). —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Professional Affiliations (Presently): Managing Director, Centre Point Group Enterprise (CPGE) www.cpgehospitality.com Hotel Centre Point (Owned by CPGE) www.shillongcentrepoint.com Ri Kynjai - Serenity by the Lake (Owned by CPGE) www.rikynjai.com The Guwahati Address by Centre Point (Owned by CPGE) www.theguwahatiaddress.com Infrastructure Development Consortium (A Construction Firm) North Eastern Information Technology & Communication Services (Firm engaged in IT Education) Shillong Café and Restaurants (Cafes & Guest Houses) www.cafeshillongbnb.com Shillong Lajong Football Club www.shillonglajong.com Honorary Affiliations (Presently): Vice President, All India Football Federation (AIFF) President, Meghalaya Football Association (Affiliated to AIFF) Chairman Development Committee (AIFF) Chairman Tourism Committee of Federation of Industries North Eastern Region (FINER) —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Key Achievements: Hospitality Centre Point Group Enterprise (CPGE – Hospitality): As the Managing Director of Centre Point Group Enterprise - Hospitality, has helped in creating one of the Region’s most well known Hospitality chains specializing in boutique Hotels, Resorts, Restaurants, Lounges & Cafes and Guest Houses. CPGE – Hospitality has created products unique to the North East that is today symbols and torch bearers of the Culture and intrinsic Hospitality of the region. CPGE – Hospitality properties and brands like The Centre Point Shillong, Cloud 9, Ri Kynjai, The Guwahati Address by Centre Point and Café Shillong Bed & Breakfast have become household names in hospitality in the region. —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Events Centre Point Entertainment Network (CPEN): Conceptualized to organize events that would help in the positive branding of the region as well as encourage the youth to be more positive and proactive in their outlook and contribute towards the development of the region. CPEN has organized some of the biggest concerts ever in the North East region such as the Michael Learns to Rock Concert, Scorpions Concert and New Year City Center Celebrations in Shillong attended by over 30,000 people each. —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Tourism Meghalaya Tourism Development Forum (MTDF): Co-founded the Meghalaya Tourism Development Forum (MTDF) in 2003 along with R.G Lyngdoh and other individuals. The MTDF was formed with the objective of bringing together people from the tourism industry and others who were interested in developing the tourism sector in Meghalaya. The MTDF over the years has played a pivotal role in helping develop an environment in Meghalaya that is conducive for tourism growth. The MTDF has also played a pivotal role in rebranding the image of Shillong and Meghalaya over the last decade through many initiatives such as the World Record Drum and Guitar Ensemble , Autumn Festivals , Christmas and New Year Festivals besides organizing seminars amongst local rural stakeholders on tourism and facilitating the establishment of rural tourism projects such as Mawlynong. —————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————— Football: Managing Director, Shillong Lajong FC: Larsing Ming Sawyan took over the management as well as restructured the 18 year old Club ( Lajong Sports Social and Cultural Club ) in 2001 and helped create it into a regional football giant by 2008, the 25th year of the Club. The Club was rechristened Shillong Lajong FC and in 2009 became the first club from the North East to qualify for the Indian National League (I League). The Club has today become one of the country’s fastest growing clubs and biggest in terms of a fan base after East Bengal and Mohun Bagan. Besides the two Kolkata giants, East Bengal and Mohun Bagan, Shillong Lajong FC is the only club to be able to sustain itself by competing in every I-League season since 2011. Lajong has helped in harnessing the grass root talent in the region and has become one of the country’s premier and most professionally managed clubsco-foundedbust following in the North East. North East United: Lajong co-founded North East United, the ISL Franchise based out of Guwahati. Lajong was instrumental in the ISL Franchise being allotted to the North East. It was the lead bidder of the consortium that got the ISL bid for Guwahati in 2014, however disinvested in 2015 after the first season due to strategic reasons and focused on building a stronger infrastructure and base for Lajong. Meghalaya Football Association (MFA): Elected Secretary of the MFA in 2008 and has helped the state become an emergent footballing force of the country by establishing a number of youth development programs and development initiatives for coaches and referees in the state. The MFA has since worked closely with the state government in developing infrastructure in the state and during this period, the Meghalaya Government has spent over 10 crores in developing the JN stadium in Shillong including installation of an artificial ground, floodlights and other infrastructural facilities. The State government has also started the installation of 3 more artificial grounds and 5 futsal grounds in the state. In 2012, was elected President of the Meghalaya Football Association. All India Football Association (AIFF): Elected as an executive member of the AIFF in 2008 at the age of 31 to become the youngest executive member. During this period, was part of a number of important strategic committees of the Federation including one to determine the allocation of artificial grounds funded by FIFA to India. Manipur and Meghalaya were accordingly duly awarded artificial grounds under the ‘Win in India with India’ FIFA project. Lead the Indian Football Team as Head of Delegation in the Asia Cup held in Qatar in 2011.Was elected as Vice President of the AIFF in December 2012, the youngest ever in the Federation at the age of 35 and is currently serving his second term as the Vice-President of the AIFF. In March 2017 he was elected as the first Chairman of the Developmental Committee of AIFF created under the new constitution of AIFF to oversee all development-related activities of the AIFF, including the State FA Development Plan, Coach Development Programme, Grassroots and Youth Development Programmes, and others. ——————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Mediacpge (talk • contribs) 06:40, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Mediacpge: Hello, this is not the right place for proposed article content. Please see WP:YFA, AFC and WP:DRAFT. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 06:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

There is no right place for such content, which is an obviously promotional resume. EEng 15:42, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of an article for deletion

I have tried to nominate an article for deletion, but things did not seem to work out. This was the article on Caroline Nicholls. I tried to follow the instructions at Wikipedia: Articles for deletion and got the tag saying "This article is being considered for deletion - please share your thoughts on this article's entry" heading the page, but at the list of entries on Wikipedia: Articles for deletion, this does not appear to be there. Can you please explain to me what I have done wrong? Many thanks in advance for your help. Vorbee (talk) 07:37, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Vorbee: You made several errors. Next time, try using the "Preloaded debate" link on the article to create the deletion page. Also do step III at WP:AFDHOWTO. I have done it this time.[3] PrimeHunter (talk) 10:06, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• Many thanks for your help, Vorbee (talk) 15:45, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

How do I identify contributions that have been undone by someone?

How do I do this?

I received this message

"Hello, I'm Geunineart. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Philip MacDonald have been undone because they did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help Desk. Thanks. Genuine Art 14:28, 30 July 2018 (UTC)"

I am surprised Genuineart knows more than me and am interested to know what he has undone — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.99.71.71 (talk) 10:30, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You can see the page history here and the specific edit by @GenuineArt: (pinging GA out of courtesy) is here. If you wish to discuss it with the other editor please raise at the article talk page or their own talk page. Or hopefully GA will comment in this thread. Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~). Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 10:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Tony, you wrote in a previous message on this Help desk that you are Philip's biographer. I should recommend you immediately read our conflict of interest guidelines and most importantly our paid-contribution disclosure policy and adhere to the requirements of these before editing any further. Thanks, Lourdes 10:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I had made that revert because the edits were not so easy to read. Long section titles are not needed. You can make separate sections for "Film", "Television", and "Script" where Philip MacDonald contributed. GenuineArt (talk) 13:23, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Template

Hello again, Both of these templates ({{Back to contents}} & {{Skip to talk}}) have same result, but {{Skip to talk}} do not take you to anywhere that associated to talking! "talk" and "toc" are two defferent words. ئارام بکر (talk) 10:50, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Hello ئارام بکر, the template is a misnamed template. It should have been named {{Skip to Table of Contents}} or {{Skip to toc}} (short form for "table of contents"). Sorry for that. If there's anything else you need assistance in, do tell. Lourdes 11:02, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

No Lourdes, thank you so much. Just move the template to the correct name. Thank you again! ئارام بکر (talk) 11:41, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

It had this name for 10 years and the poor name {{Skiptotoctalk}} before that. I have explained the purpose in the documentation.[4] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Glen Affric

Please amend reference number 27 - it is in red. Sorry Thankyou 175.33.211.40 (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Fixed. Kosack (talk) 12:30, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• ​SB, as told to you repeatedly and many times over and over again, if any of your edits spoils the structure of any article, please undo your edits before asking for assistance. Lourdes 01:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Forgot to log in before editing an article.

While I frequently read Wikipedia, I rarely contribute, and when I did decide to edit a page a few minutes ago, I absentmindedly forgot to log in before editing the page. A link to the edit I made is included at the end of this post. I assume there is no way for the user of record for the edit I made to be listed as my username instead? I wouldn't mind except I'm worried about having accidentally engaged in sockpuppetry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Utair_Flight_579&oldid=857572695 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pizzaguy875 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

That is totally fine, and there are legitimate reasons to not use your logged in account, for example in unsafe wifi network/public computer. As long as you are not evading any bans on editing or giving appearance of being multiple users (e.g evading 3 revert rule or commenting in consensus thread) you can use anonymous/multiple accounts. See Wikipedia:Sock_puppetry#Editing_while_logged_outShushugah (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@Pizzaguy875: Edits cannot be reassigned. An IP address can be hidden for privacy reasons (see Wikipedia:Requests for oversight) but that is apparently not your concern. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:05, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: That's totally fine; my only concern was having accidentally violated policy, but it looks like that is not the case, so I am all set now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pizzaguy875 (talk • contribs) 16:28, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Removed Contribution

I attributed the article I posted to The Associated Press. The article had been publicly published in The Boston Globe. The information posted was a verbatim copy of the article. A factual acurate repreentation.

Please advise how to put the source back on line.

Thank you--AndsowegivetodaytoYou (talk) 17:11, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• A verbatim copy violates copyright law. Wikipedia does not allow this because we follow the law of the country in which the Wikipedia servers reside (the US). -Arch dude (talk) 17:21, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

AndsowegivetodaytoYou, entire articles from references don't belong in the text of a Wikipedia article. References should be just that, a reference. If you want to include information from an article, only include the parts that you need, in your own words, and then use that article as a reference. You can think of it a bit like writing a paper for a school class. If you had a paper due on the country of Venezuela then you wouldn't simply be able to hand in a newspaper article. You would need to re-write what was written in your own words and then submit that. †dismas†|^(talk) 19:14, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Repeated changes to Toronto municipal election, 2018

Hello,

I have been updating the page for Toronto municipal election, 2018, but there is a note on one candidate (Christina Liu, Ward 17) that I disagree with and that an IP user and I have been doing an edit war on. They have not responded to my requests to post on the Talk page for that article, or on their talk page. I am hoping for help to resolve this conflict, but this is definitely low priority. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobRoyDuncan (talk • contribs) 20:20, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

I've warned the user against edit warring, so we will see what happens. 331dot (talk) 20:25, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

They don't seem to care, and have reverted to their preferred version of that article. RobRoyDuncan (talk 20:57, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

Now blocked for edit warring. 331dot (talk) 21:18, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

How best to report a suspected IP sock?

An IP editor is repeating the behaviour of the editor blocked as a result of this SPI. As best I understand it, SPI / checkuser is only for registered accounts, not IPs. What's the right place to report the issue? › Mortee _talk 22:52, 1 September 2018 (UTC)

• WP:SPI. Checkusers will not usually relate the IP address to the sockmaster. Rest, you're free to post and request for any check if required. Follow the instructions given at the page clearly to post any new request. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/123.124.233.241 for an example of an ongoing case. Alternatively, you may contact a CheckUser privately and present the evidence to them. Lourdes 00:58, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• Gotcha. Thank you. As it happens, the IP was given a one week block for evasion shortly after I posted. If I see the same again, I'll know what to do. › Mortee _talk 15:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2

Table and template questions

Hi, advice needed and kindly see below:

1. could the top panel/row, first column and any choosing combination of row and column of a table to be frozen (fixed in one position in the table) while scrolling up/down or left/right, if so, kindly advise how this would be done.
2. could an automatic numbering be set in the table?
3. if a new parameter is to be added to an existing template (say between the parameter 14 and 15 ), could it be just added "new 15 parameter" and move existing parameter 15 to parameter 16 and existing parameter 16 to parameter 17 and so on and so fort? and would this effect the rest of the articles which used this particular template?

Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 03:59, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

1. It is not possible to do this for other readers of a page. The bottom of Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets has the option "Make sure that headers of tables remain in view as long as the table is in view (requires Firefox v59 or Safari)". It only applies to your own account and has some issues.
2. There is no good way to do this. See Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table and {{row indexer}} for problematic options.
3. If the parameter is named then the order doesn't matter and the parameter can be inserted anywhere in calls of the template. If the parameter is unnamed then it is referred to by its position among unnamed parameters and insertion of a new unnamed parameter will increase the position of following unammed parameters. This will often cause existing template calls to fail. See more at Help:Template#Parameters.

PrimeHunter (talk) 19:39, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Had no words.

Is referencing to an older revision of Wikipedia is allowed??--Jeromi Mikhael (talk) 08:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Wow, haven't seen that before. No, WP shouldn't be used as a cite on WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:52, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

The old page used [5], doesn't seem good either. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:54, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Foreign family names in English

There are people with names such as Peter de Jong, Robert van Buren. In Netherlands aka Dutch the surname does not include 'van' or 'de'.

My question: how does one write these names on an English Wikipedia page?

Is it:

The footballers de Jong and van Buren have been reported for...

or is it:

The footballers De Jong and Van Buren have been reported for...

or are both ok?

Mary Hartman (talk) 11:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Mary Hartman, I'm fairly sure it's the first, see Nobiliary particle. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

I'd stick to the Dutch rules in this case, which means footballers De Jong and Van Buren. It's not a nobiliary particle, so that page won't help you much. Femkemilene (talk) 13:47, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you. If there's a WP:COMMONNAME here (in English sources), that's the way to go. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:37, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Watchlist just talk pages

Hi,

I have several extremely active pages (where my editing focus is fairly narrow) that single-handedly clog up my watchlist. However they do have talk pages discussions that I'm fairly active in and need to know when posts are made.

Is there any way to stay watchlisted to a talk page and not the article (or filter specific mainspace watchlist posts out with the new filtering options)?

Cheers, Nosebagbear (talk) 11:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

@Nosebagbear: See Help:Hide Pages in Watchlist. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:04, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Cheers Nosebagbear (talk) 15:56, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Nosebagbear; While that may prove useful alternative, I believe that's not what you're exactly looking for. What you're actually asking for is not yet available but is one of the features that have been repeatedly requested in Community Wishlist survey every year but never made it to the top ten, which are the only requests the developers work on. See for example: 2016 request and 2017 request. I am sure it will be requested again this year in November, so just be ready to add your support when the survey starts and let's make it possible. –Ammarpad (talk) 17:35, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Indeed - this if the first year I've been active enough to actually be ready and present to look at the wishlist Nosebagbear (talk) 17:42, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Cutting down a tree

Do we have an article about the concept of cutting down trees? Tree-cutting is a redlink, Logging covers much more than just the cutting down, and I can't think of anything else. Nyttend (talk) 12:03, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Tree felling, which sounds to me the best term, redirects to Arboriculture, which is a rather weak article. Edwardx (talk) 12:06, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

That redir is an WP:EGG so I changed Tree felling so it now points to the correct article, Felling. I wouldn't object to simply changing the latter's name to "tree felling". Technically that's sort of redundant but it would probably help people in our modern day understand what it is right away. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:51, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, NewsAndEventsGuy. Edwardx (talk) 13:40, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Setting a reminder for tasks left undone

Is there a way to automate a notification to myself, about tasks I want to come back to? For example see the wikicode at User_talk:NewsAndEventsGuy#note_to_self, where I included {{Update after|2018}}. Not sure how that will work in user space when the time expires. Is there a better way to set a popup reminder for myself? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:44, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi NewsAndEventsGuy I don't know if this would help you, but I once wrote a little template that lets me set a reminder. It takes three arguments; a date, the number of days, and a task, so {{User:Vexations/templates/to do|2018-09-01|7|a bath}} gives: and {{User:Vexations/templates/to do|2018-09-01|1|a bath}} gives: . Perhaps you can copy my template and adapt it for your own purposes. --Vexations (talk) 13:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, when the timer goes off, do you get a notification or pop up? Or do you have to do the two step process of (A) remembering to look at your to do list and (B) actually noticing that the text changed? NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 13:17, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

No, this is a very basic template. No alerts. You'd have to actually look at your to-do list. You can easily change the code so that it only shows a note if it's time, or highlights it. I don't use it myself. I use a task management app that suits me. Vexations (talk) 13:36, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

History of Christianity

In the article History of Christianity there is a tag that the article is too much hig. But actually the article is not that much big. The problem is even the sub-sub-sections are shown in the article. In the other articles the sub-sub-sections have not been shown. That is why the article look too much big. But in fact the article is not that much big. The article is almost equal size of the History of Islam and History of Buddhism. Please can anyone solve this problem?--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 18:02, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

• "Too big" is a matter of editorial opinion. You should create a new section on the article's talk page and recommend that the "too big" tag be removed. If noboby objects, then after a suitable time (at least a few days) remove the tag. If someone objects, try to reach a consensus. -Arch dude (talk) 21:15, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

I am not so good in English. It is not possible for me to make a discussion in the talk page. I want help from the other administrators, who are interested.--Genghis khan2846 (talk) 22:32, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Genghis khan2846, if you write an explanation here, I can write a good English explanation and put that on the talk page. You can write in your own language and use Google Translate, if you do not want to write in English. If I cannot understand what Google Translate says, I can ask you to say it a different way. Nyttend (talk) 23:19, 2 September 2018 (UTC)