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It is 20:12:52 on October 20, 2024, according to the server's time and date.

Request for desysop

Morning everyone, I'd like to voluntarily give up my admin tools given that I don't really have the time to use them any more, and have been unable to follow recent developments, making me unfamiliar with new policies and unable to keep myself in practice. Many thanks, SalopianJames (talk) 09:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Done, thank you for your service. To whom it may concern, this desysop was not "under a cloud". The Rambling Man (talk) 13:53, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Request for admin/crat flags

I surrendered all of my flags here, but I am fleetingly around and it seems pointless to make more work for others by asking them, when I have the scope to do it myself, so I'm requesting my admin and crat flags back. Cheers. WilliamH (talk) 15:51, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

 Done MBisanz ^talk 15:58, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Vielen Dank! WilliamH (talk) 16:33, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Pending Changes

I'm thinking of proposing a question for the next RfC on Pending Changes, but I better check with you guys first. (Pending Changes is a tool designed to keep some edits, mostly by new users, from appearing until the edits have been reviewed. A quick history is at WP:PC2012. Some people are against it, some are for it, and most are ignoring it ... but I think that the community of people who are likely to use the tool deserve respect and support, regardless of how this new experiment turns out.) To bottom-line this: the current thinking is that admins will promote and demote reviewers, and this will never be a big deal. And I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you. The question is: what route do we go when there's disagreement? We could invoke WP:WHEEL and escalate through the DR-ANI-Arbcom route, or we could make it a policy that, whenever there's a disagreement on who should be promoted, a person or people will step in, listen to all sides, and make a call. That sounds very much like what crats were elected to do. Do you guys have any thoughts one way or another on whether this is a role you'd be interested in? - Dank (push to talk) 16:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't really see this as a problem. I have yet to see a serious disagreement on the WP:RFPERM pages. Most disagreements are the user complaining when declined the user rights rather than admins disputing assignment of the rights. Reaper Eternal (talk) 16:28, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

It's not a big deal because it hasn't started yet; my goal here is to keep it from morphing into a big deal. RfA wasn't a big deal either, when it was getting started. Any process like this inevitably becomes either irrelevant or complicated, and the question is how best to manage disagreements. Btw, I haven't been keeping an eye on RFPERM ... I've only noticed one discussion, on an admin's talk page ... and I disagreed with the call. But I don't think it's really possible to talk about right calls and wrong calls until Pending Changes evolves; we'll have to see what the work and the workload is, who shows up to do the work, and how the larger community reacts. - Dank (push to talk) 16:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

P.S. I've just skimmed the history from September and October for the reviewer-right section at RFPERM; Reaper Eternal handled most of them, and Kudpung and Ks0stm did some. I want to be clear that this isn't a request that someone keep an eye on Reaper ... skimming, it looks like he's doing a really fine job. - Dank (push to talk) 17:56, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Haha, I didn't even realize that my reply could imply that I was guarding a fiefdom! I was just commenting that I didn't see conflicts arising over who should be assigned the 'reviewer' usergroup, although I suppose it is best to be proactive. However, I still think that the standard practice of obtaining consensus should apply if a dispute arises. Thanks for the review though! Reaper Eternal (talk) 18:14, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I don't know. The problem I see is that you only want us to be involved when there is a dispute, so we're acting more as a decider of who is right instead of looking for consensus like we do at RFA. One of the keys to RFA/Bot/CHU is that we're the only ones who can do the action, so even if a non-crat disagrees, they can't undo the action (other crats can, but that almost never happens because of the small group dynamic). Our decisions aren't final because they're correct, but final because no one can undo us. It wouldn't be that case in the situation you're proposing. MBisanz ^talk 16:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

That's exactly my question Matt ... we're putting together a policy RfC now. It's possible that the voters at the RfC will decide that it's okay for a crat to step in with a final call in cases where the crat decides that that would help avoid the kind of unpleasantness or escalation that might harm the process. If that's what's decided, would you (or any of you) be interested in that role? - Dank (push to talk) 17:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I would be against creating policy guidance for something that will likely never become a problem. For better or worse, our policy is reactive to actual problems. Gigs (talk) 18:00, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Letting people know that we have no idea what we're going to do if they cause trouble is a great way to invite trouble. - Dank (push to talk) 18:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it's implicit that if such a situation actually escalated, it would go to ANI. Gigs (talk) 18:05, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

That was the question in my first paragraph: whether people prefer the ANI/Arbcom route, or whether we'd rather someone step in from a set of people who have been selected by the community to handle situations very much like this, so that they could attempt to calm things down and assess consensus. - Dank (push to talk) 18:11, 1 November 2012 (UTC)