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Assistance with a draft page

Hello! I'm hoping for some help with this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_Jarrett_Collins

It was rejected due to puffery, and I edited it to remove that, and make it as objective as possible. But it was rejected a second time, so I think maybe I'm not understanding what needs to be done. If anyone was able to look and help me, I would be so appreciative. Thank you! UKI2020 (talk) 20:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

UKI2020,

I didn't have to read beyond the first sentence although I did read beyond. Some of the prose is fine, but the opening sentence sounds like something a PR firm would write.

The section starting "in 1973" contains some interesting information about industry but this no tie to the subject of the article beyond the fact that it's discussing the industry in which he worked.

Did he develop the barcode software used for the Macintosh? If so it isn't mentioned if not why is it here? S Philbrick(Talk) 22:08, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Sphilbrick,

Thank you for your comments. I will edit this again. Would you be willing to read one more time before I republish to hopefully avoid another decline? Regarding the mac, his company did develop the barcode software for the Apple Macintosh. --UKI2020 (talk) 22:22, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

UKI2020, in addition to the matter of puffery, there's the matter of prolixity. A sample:

During his remarks, Collins recalled the history of Automatic Car Identification (ACI), and of car marking. He testified that at the time of the hearings over 50 million digit stripes had been applied to the cars, costing about $25 million, and running at least a year behind the original deployment schedule. Collins testified as to the importance of focusing on the rail terminal rather than the rail main line for installation of scanning equipment. Such automated equipment had been installed in Chicago on the Illinois Central Railroad, which captured the movement of all rolling equipment through the terminal and would permit terminal managers to do a far better job eliminating mis-loads or lost car situations. Collins' submitted a written statement and in testimony he recounted a predicted improvement in Postal Services through the use of the technology:

"[...] the emphasis in the use of data control in transportation has been to get a higher yield or a higher utility out of facilities, whether the facilities are fixed plant or rolling stock. The Post Office or Postal Service has just recently contracted for the use of this technology, automatic truck identification in this case, but using the same lable [sic] and the same technology for the Oakland bulk mail handling facility. This system will cost $900,000. Here you have a $50 million postal terminal, including the physical building itself, the mechanical handling system of the bulk mail inside, and the parking and the control system for the arrival and departure of the trucks. To spend 2 percent of the facility cost on a control system which controls the funnel or the throat through which all of the product comes into and must exit from ... is not a bad ratio of investment."

Can't you reduce the bulk by 80% or so? -- Hoary (talk) 22:32, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Hoary,

Thank you, helpful! I have removed much content that is not as directly relevant, I hope that helps. Would you be willing to take another look, please? Thank you so much. --UKI2020 (talk) 22:47, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

UKI2020, I skimread "Background". If it were properly referenced, it wouldn't be prolix; however, it's completely unreferenced, giving me no reason to believe that any of it is true. And so I gave up. All content must be reliably sourced. -- Hoary (talk) 23:09, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Turn some (all?) of the Further Reading into references. And reference everything that is not referenced. David notMD (talk) 00:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, David notMD,

Thank you both. I've added several more references and removed everything that I could not find a reference for. For example, I could not find a source with his birthplace, so I removed it. I also moved all but three of the Further Reading bullets into references in the main post. Found a new article that had been published since my last revision, so added that as a reference as well. Better? Thank you for your help! --UKI2020 (talk) 17:01, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, David notMD,

I've hopefully made all the needed changes. Thank you for your help. Do you think it's ready for me to resubmit? --UKI2020 (talk) 20:13, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

UKI2020, yes, you could submit it again at this point. -- Hoary (talk) 11:59, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, David not MD, Ok - thank you - I've resubmitted. Again, thanks for all your help in this process! UKI2020 (talk) 18:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I add Google Maps/Google Earth screenshots in Wikipedia articles?

Hello all. Please help me with my doubt regarding adding Google Maps/Google Earth screenshots in Wikipedia articles. Will it be considered a copyright violation? RPSkokie (talk) 08:07, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

RPSkokie, Google Earth has a copyright notice at the bottom of every screen. Such a screenshot, or a detail from it, would be a clear copyright violation. Maproom (talk) 08:36, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh. Okay. Can I use OpenStreetMap as alternative? RPSkokie (talk) 03:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@RPSkokie There is not the same copyvio issue with Open Street Map, as it is all under a Creative Commons licence. You could put an External Link to a Google mapping page, though bear in mind that the coordinate template allows users to click it and choose which of the many mapping platforms they want to view something on. So a map image might be superfluous anyway. Which article does your question relate too? Nick Moyes (talk) 04:30, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I was editing Shigatse Peace Airport. Lately a new runway constructed and I wanted to add a satellite imagery without creating a copyvio issue. RPSkokie (talk) 04:35, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@RPSkokie I followed the coordinates link and appreciate that an image or map would be great for that article. But rather than make a static copy of OpenStreetMaps, you can embed a live OSM map into the article. I’ve never done it myself, but you can use Template:OSM Location map for this. Give it a try! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:45, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@RPSkokie I see you're giving it a try - fantastic. But I forget to say that it's often a wise move to experiment with new templates in your sandbox before pasting the final, working template into the article. Using edit summaries also helps you remember which step you did what at (as I've learned to my cost in the past) Nick Moyes (talk) 08:48, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ooops. Sorry, My bad. I will use the sandbox from now onwards. Shall I remove the code from the page? I am not able to follow and execute it properly. The end result is conflicting with Wikipedia's style. RPSkokie (talk) 08:51, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@RPSkokie Yes, I think that would be sensible. You could always copy the entire article into your sandbox and play with it there. It should render exactly the same. Just make an edit summary in your sandbox which attributes which article the content came from, and then simply delete it all when you're done. I'm sorry I'm not sufficiently experienced in the finer points of maps and infoboxes to help you much further. Obviously, the first step is simply to create the frame showing the map you want. Only then would you need to worry about making it work within, or outside of, the infobox. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:23, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

RPSkokie, Kartographer is good for this. See for example, Parc des Buttes Chaumont. Mathglot (talk) 15:41, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

This is awesome. I am gonna try this now. Thanks @Mathglot. RPSkokie (talk) 04:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How can my organization publish its Wikipedia article?

Hello, I am a writer hired by my current agency to write an article about them. After being rejected, I am wondering what materials can be helpful for my organization to provide to increase of chance of being published. My company is a representative of multiple Italian luxury furniture brands that have been in the industry for years. We have provided services to help elevate brands' presence in the Asia-Pacific regions. It would be much appreciated if an experienced editor can look through our page and inform us what needs adjusting so it can go public. Thank you so much! Italianatelier-wiki (talk) 11:53, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Italianatelier-wiki Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you need to change your username immediately; it is not permitted per the username policy for a username to be that of a company. Please visit Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS to make a request to change your username as soon as possible. Your username must reflect that a specific person is exclusively operating this account(your real name is not required).

Regarding your draft, please understand that Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves and what they do. That's considered advertising here. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Not every company merits a Wikipedia article, it depends on the sources. You must set aside everything you know about the company and all materials put out by the company(such as press releases, announcements of routine business activites, interviews with staff, or brief mentions) and only write based on what independent sources choose to say about the company on their own. Most people in your position have difficulty doing that, but it is possible.

Note that any article about your company does not belong to the company(see WP:OWN), and the company has no special rights to it- it actually has less, as even if your draft is accepted, you would no longer be able to edit it directly, and would be limited to edit requests. 331dot (talk) 12:00, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Italian Atelier, declined once. Some of the references are mentions-in-name-only, others are clearly press release derived. David notMD (talk) 12:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – The user has been blocked

―Qwerfjkltalk 21:07, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Blocked for inappropriate User name. David notMD (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Where can I report the conduct of admins?

If I find that an admin is not doing his work properly and he is involved in biased moderation, where can I report him? 223.180.194.186 (talk) 05:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The first thing to do if you have any disagreement with another editor (whether they're an admin is irrelevant) is open a discussion on their talk page. If you cannot reach agreement then by all means bring the matter back to the Teahouse so that other editors can contribute to the discussion. Thinking in terms of "reporting" someone is not helpful until you have done that.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 06:40, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The best place to report this is Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, but be sure that you are prepared to present solid and persuasive evidence, and be aware that your own behavior will come under scrutiny. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@ Cullen328, And whats the guarantee that the admin won't take revenge for reporting him by clicking the block button? There should be a separate forum for reporting admins. I am literally fedup of the current moderation system of Wikipedia. 223.180.193.18 (talk) 09:17, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

There are no guarantees, but I very much doubt such a thing would happen. If it did, you could bring that up in an unblock request and it would be reviewed. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

The nature of your query posted as an IP suggests that you do have a registered account and have a specific Administrator's actions in mind. Teahouse host might be more helpful if you named the article(s) in question, despite your abovementioned concern. Administrators are not infallible, nor unreproachable. David notMD (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@ 331dot & David notMD: Thanks for showing concern. I wish to clarify that I am not a blocked user but I haven't logged in to my profile because I don't want to be harassed by a group of biased admins. These admins have some clear anti-India and anti-Hindu bias. I have too many names in mind but I wish to bring the conduct of RegentsPark to your notice. Last year, in April 2020, he made an edit to Talk:2020 Delhi riots. In this edit, he deliberately removed the comment of another admin Abecedare without explanation. Its clear that this removal from RegentsPark was done in bad faith and his motive behind this edit was to hide from other users a conversation on the talk page of Abecedare. Now, I await some action on RegentsPark for not doing his job of admin with impartiality and sincerity. 106.210.106.77 (talk) 09:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

You are free to use WP:ANI as already noted, but you will need clear evidence of your claims, and be aware that the entire situation will be looked at. This board is not meant for bringing up grievances with other editors. 331dot (talk) 10:46, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

If he removed the comment of another admin, the other admin will surely have noticed, and can be relied upon to decide if the problem is worth further discussion. If there were to decide not to, they presumably have a good reason, and you should think very carefully indeed before you involve yourself in what sounds like somebody else's quarrel. DGG ( talk ) 09:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

• I understand a specific question has been asked and a specific reply should be given after-all, this is indeed the Teahouse but my question is why has no one expressly and painstakingly explained to them that if they go to the ANI that they are most likely going to get hit with a boomerang? especially since they have already casted aspersions by referring to the admin as being anti India?. Celestina007 (talk) 21:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Does this draft contain "reliable" sources?

I have recently re-submitted a draft. Does this draft contain "reliable" sources? I thought I'll ask at the Teahouse before it gets reviewed so that I can get it edited before hand.  Excellenc1 (talk) 11:55, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: welcome to the Teahouse. At a very quick look at the urls, those sources look like they're 'reliable' (i.e. not blogs, social media or press releases). But what's critical is whether they are sufficiently detailed and in-depth enough about this person to confer 'notability' per this guideline. This is the key test. But as there are 21 sources we would have to wade through to answer that question, perhaps you would help us by linking to the three most detailed ones that you feel would meet that guideline. The alternative is simply to wait for the review to take its course which can, I accept, take some time. But that will be the case anyway as we don't speed up reviews here. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:10, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: There are certain citations which are from sites I believe are notable news organisations like:

Citation number (in the draft)	Site name
1	Le Journal de Saône-et-Loire
6	Les Echos
8	Nouvelle-Calédonie La Première
9	Le Monde
12	Ouest France
13	RNZ
15	Le Figaro
16	20 minutes

Excellenc1📞 12:58, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, please read Nick Moyes' helpful and detailed reply above. The issue is not whether the sources are notable, it is whether they are reliable, independent, and include sufficient discussion to establish that the subject is notable, in Wikipedia's idiosyncratic sense. And he didn't ask you to link eight sources, he asked for three. Maproom (talk) 13:22, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes- as Maproom says, just read WP:NBIO gain and give us your three best sources that talk about the subject in detail and in depth. The journals/newspapers themselves are acceptable to Wikipedia, but only if the content within them about that person is sufficient to demonstrate notability. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:47, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, I misread the question, I mixed up reliable and notable sources. And about the 3 best sources, I would rather like to summarize the table.

Citation number (in the draft)	What does it say	Site name
1	His personal life and beginning of his career (kinda important)	Le Journal de Saône-et-Loire
6	His appointment as the Prefect of Vendée	Les Echos
8	His appointment as Chief of Staff to the President of the Republic (I think this one is a good source)	Nouvelle-Calédonie La Première
9	He replaced Sylvie Hubac as the chief of staff but I used it because it mentions the years in which he was a prefect	Le Monde
12	He replaced Sylvie Hubac as the chief of staff but I used it to cite the line where I mentioned who his assistant was	Ouest France
13	His appointment as the High Commissioner of New Caledonia before the 2018 referendum (this one is another good source)	RNZ
15	To cite that he was in charge of the referendum	Le Figaro
16	Jean-Pierre Hugues replacing him as head of the Dutch cabinet	20 minutes

So here are the three best sources along with what these notable sources tell about. I hope this is fine. Excellenc1📞 15:49, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, which among the eight are the best three? Nick Moyes asked you for three. Not eight, not even four, but three. -- Hoary (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: The ones in the table where I have mentioned terms in brackets (citations 1, 8 and 13). These are the three best sources. Excellenc1📞 05:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Excellenc1, you offer:

• 1. "Thierry Lataste, marié, père de 4 enfants, est né le 31 janvier 1954 à Talence en Gironde": Reliable, useful, but doesn't show notability.
• 8. "Thierry Lataste nommé directeur de cabinet du Président de la République": Good.
• 13. "New French High Commissioner installed in New Caledonia": Reliable, but a mere mention.

Two of these three would be more than trivially useful; but only one, I think, can be said to indicate notability. (Nick Moyes' evaluation may be different.) -- Hoary (talk) 06:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Template edit

I just saw this template, and I think someone is directing the title's link incorrectly, how do I redirect the title's link so it can drive you to the correct topic? I need help Mhatopzz (talk) 16:19, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done Mhatopzz, that redirect was broken (pointing to a non-existent section) until it was fixed by a bot a year ago. The bot did the best it could, matching the nonexistent "Politics" to the section title "Political status". I've now changed it to point to "Government and politics" as you suggest. --ColinFine (talk) 17:30, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, but how did you do that? Mhatopzz (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Ipswich help

Hi I was wondering if I could ask some editors to please help me with an ongoing WP:Owning with editor User:LakeKnowledge...they keep reverting my edit of Ipswich as the county town of Suffolk to a historic county town in Suffolk...there is no evidence or sources clarifying Ipswich is no longer the county town...as only counties which have been replaced with one unitary authority or more can then say was the county town (Ie...Chester in Cheshire, Shrewsbury in Shropshire, York in Yorkshire and Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire) I understand these will still be classed as the county town of a ceremonial county but if that has been replaced from a county council to a unitary authority then I am pretty sure the original county town loses its status as the main headquaters...its like with Matlock taking over from Derby as the county town when Derby went into a unitary authority...Nottingham is another but remains the county town as Nottinghamshire County Council are based in the city and Northampton was the county town of Northamptonshire until the creation of West and North Northhamptonshire...with the county town ceasing...RailwayJG (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC) RailwayJG (talk) 23:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

@RailwayJG, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, reverting each other isn’t a good idea, rather, if you make edits which are reverted, what you ought to do is to initiate a dialogue with the other party or at the TP of the article and try to reach a consensus or a compromise. If that fails you may ask for a third opinion from an uninvolved party, see WP:30. Celestina007 (talk) 23:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

AFAIK, Bury St. Edmunds is the county town. Mjroots (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Link not working

Moved to User talk:BrandonXLF § Link not working

 – ―Qwerfjkltalk 06:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Need help verifying source behind paywall

This article Satyendra Prasanna Sinha, 1st Baron Sinha cited two different marriage year. In the infobox, it is stated that he married in 1909, but in the article body in the personal life section, it is stated that he married in 1880, with a ref behind paywall. Can someone who has access to UK public library membership help verified this? Lulusword (talk) 07:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Lulusword Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You've done nothing wrong, but you might have more luck with this by asking on the article talk page, Talk:Satyendra Prasanna Sinha, 1st Baron Sinha, where it's more likely that the editor who placed that reference will see your question. 331dot (talk) 07:25, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Lulusword I have access to the Oxford Dictionary of Biography- it states he was married in 1880 to Gobinda Mohini Mutter and gives him four sons and three daughters. No mention about the exact date, or another wife in 1909. (his first wife survived until 1938, after his death.) Curdle (talk) 07:35, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you to both of you. :) Lulusword (talk) 07:39, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

This might help as well (the year mentioned is 1878) https://www.open.ac.uk/researchprojects/makingbritain/content/s-p-sinha - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 07:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

"He entered Presidency College, Calcutta, in 1878, married Gobinda Mohini, with whom he had four sons and three daughters, in 1880, and left for England in 1881 without taking a degree". The wording is a bit convoluted, Sultan.abdullah.hindi, but that source confirms a marriage date of 1880. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Cordless Larry: That is indeed correct. My bad, I didn't notice the 1880 at first. - Sulṭān ʿAbdullāh al-Hindi ^Talk 13:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

When to close a discussion and how to request an admin to do that

Greetings,

so this discussion was started back in January and has been going on until around March. At that point, it had become clear that consensus decided against any change. But the discussion still is open as of this day, with no additional talk going on, just the weird and unwieldy discussion lingering on the talk page. So my question is: Shouldn't this be closed? I don't see any indication that a renewed discussion would start anytime soon, or consensus would change on the topic.

If it should indeed be closed, I am wondering how to achieve that. Is there a way to formally request an admin for something that is not of urgency, but like a procedural thing? If anyone could give me some pointers, that'd be great thanks :) LordPeterII (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@LordPeterII, you can ask at WP:Closure requests. Like with anything else around here, there may be waiting involved. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Gråbergs Gråa Sång, will do that. --LordPeterII (talk) 22:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

#expr, get decimal digits

Is there a better way to get the decimal digits instead of

#expr (long calulation) - trunc (long calculation)?

if (long calculation) is 12.345: I want to get 0.345 without having the (long calculation) two times in the expresion.

Are there temporary variables possible like

#expr (temp=(long calulation)) - trunc temp ? Schrauber5 (talk) 10:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Lund, Kansas

I did all the work to upload two pictures to the page of "Lund, Kansas". The pictures showed up, but not the titles, captions or descriptions of the pictures.

I have not idea if I am working/worked in mobile view or the VisualEditor.

Help! Ttownsell (talk) 10:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ttownsell: You placed the pictures in the wrong position—after everything in the article, including cats & the stub tag—so I've moved them, one to the infobox and one to the body of the article. The reason that the captions weren't showing is that you omitted the "thumb" parameter from the image links. If you want the images positioned otherwise, you can play around with them yourself (previewing rather than saving your edits until you're satisfied), or you can ask me for help on my talk page. Deor (talk) 16:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

How to archive your own talk page?

So, I wanted to put an archive system on my talk page because it has grown too large. During my attempts, I use ClueBot III and it created some page, it created User talk:SunDawn/Archive 1. But as things go, I wanted it to change into a Year-Month format, so I change the ClueBot script, but it only created User talk:SunDawn/Archive2021/July and the content is from multiple months instead of just July. I removed both page to start from clean, but now the Archive Box on my Talk Page is displaying red links.

So, how to totally clean up the Archives and start from stratch? And how to correctly create the talk page archive, preferably like User talk:Rdp060707?

Thank you! SunDawntalk 10:33, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Permission

Do I need any company's permission to recreate their product, specifically aircraft and launch vehicles for creating a 2D schematic of their product for use in Wikipedia mainspace? Thanks. User:Ahthga Yram_{Talk with me! I want to change my name!} 12:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC) User:Ahthga Yram_{Talk with me! I want to change my name!} 12:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

• Ahthga Yram, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m afraid your question isn’t easily comprehensible, could you be more precise? I am however willing to explain how Wikipedia works, if an article is to be created on Wikipedia, the article is meant to be of encyclopedic value and should meet our notability threshold, See WP:GNG for clarification. Wikipedia is not a platform for promoting an individual, an organization, a service(product), in summary you may not create any article(s) for the purpose of promotion, see WP:PROMO. If I have misunderstood your question please do let me know and be more precise as to what you really want to know. Celestina007 (talk) 15:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Ah, I mean, a 2D schematic for an aircraft or a missile/rocket for an illustration. Is any permission required before uploading them?

I'm not here to promote any corporate material, but I'm deleting blatant promotional drafts in the AfC. Thanks. User:Ahthga Yram_{Talk with me! I want to change my name!} 15:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean to ask whether a diagram like this at Boeing 777 can be allowed? If yes, I think that you don't need the company's permission since that file is under a Commons Licence though I think it will be better if someone with more knowledge of copyright can answer this. 45.251.33.248 (talk) 02:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm focusing at launch vehicle diagrams and/or schematics (it might be the same). User:Ahthga Yram_{Talk with me! I want to change my name!} 03:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Articel of Bhimarjun acharya.

I have added more genuine source link in "Major Books" section. And also more referces. My page link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bhimarjun_Acharya. Could you pleae check it and give me feeback regading my page? Banbibek (talk) 12:11, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

The article has been rejected, which means it will not be considered further. The sources you added in the "Major books" section are just Google Books entries or Overcat database listings. They only show that the books exist (which was never the problem), they don't indicate that the books, or the person, are notable. It would be more productive and less frustrating for you to stop trying to create this article, and instead work on existing Wikipedia articles. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 12:40, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I see nothing in his career description or other accomplishments that confirm notability as Wikipedia defines it - I concur with the Rejection. David notMD (talk) 13:13, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Need Jalgaon district article clean-up

I added some information in Jalgaon district article. But think a native speaker should take a look at it, for grammar and tone. Huge Earth (talk) 13:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC) It will be ok, if we made separate sub section on Tourist places or Tourist attractions in this article and moved info of Geography section's Temples and Tourist attractions in it.If you can feel free to do it WP : BOLD Huge Earth (talk) 14:13, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How to insert tables in a page

Greetings! I want to expand the geography section of Amhara Region article, by adding major cities, their year round temperature among other stats like climate classification. I was thinking something like this:▶ Name of city|Elevation in meters|year round average temperature in celsius|year round precipitation in mm|Koppfen climate classifaction

Something like that, is it possible to make a table? Thanks Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 13:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

{{Weather box}} does something similar to what you want. Check out Bhiwandi#Climate for an example. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:14, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Tenryuu nice! I read somewhere that users can remove fields that would be great, I don't need to much details like stats every months. Hopefully i can modify it. Thanks again! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 16:19, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

how to pronounce word

please insert and audio pronunciation of the word . how to pronounce it properly . thank you 2604:3D08:267C:12B0:5546:140E:1A3E:EBE6 (talk) 14:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for your suggestion, is there a particular word you were interested in? Please understand that Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people do what they can when they can with what they have available. I'd suggest that you bring this up on the article talk page of the word you are interested in. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

{{doing}} on #wikipedia-en-help ^connect  Done — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:05, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Wiktionary is better suited to what you want. Many entries there include a written pronunciation in IPA, and some are also supplemented with audio files. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:36, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Template inserting new line

{{IPuser2}} seems to insert a new line at the end. Any idea why? ―Qwerfjkltalk 15:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl: It's possible that it's because <noinclude> starts on a new line. Try putting it on the same line as </includeonly> and see if that fixes what you're seeing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Thanks, that worked! ―Qwerfjkltalk 20:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Juvenile offences, is it fair to mention them?

I've encountered a situation where I don't know what to do, as I don't know WP's viewpoint and policy. I'm having a bit of a content debate at Max Miller (Ohio politician) over a sentence that describes how Miller was arrested for various offences, and also had a misleading LinkedIn account. There is little doubt of this; it's all sourced to the Washington Post. But the issue is this: while discussing the sourcing with another editor, I realised that these offences must have been committed at really quite a young age. Clearly the Washington Post felt it was fair and relevant to drag them up again, but does WP have a policy on when it is fair game to bring up a person's teenage misdemeanours in an article on their adult existence, or do we feel that a person's childhood is their own secret - that we hold an adult responsible for their own actions only after age 18, and accept that many of us did things before that, that aren't really relevant to our adult careers? I'm not sure what's right... Elemimele (talk) 17:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Elemimele. Your concerns about the juvenile offenses are valid. However, the most important issue is whether this person is notable at this time. They do not appear to pass the notability guideline for politicians as an unelected candidate for a seat that may be eliminated due to redistricting. As I see it, Miller should be covered briefly in a neutral article about the 2022 race in that congressional district. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 17:48, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh, that makes sense. I hadn't thought of it from that angle; I'd just assumed that as a Trump-appointed official who'd had a few different roles, he qualified as notable. I think I'll take a step back from that article and let it develop (or indeed disappear) as the 2022 race develops/disappears. At the moment I can't find any particularly edifying references about the race, just a load of argument over which of the candidates actually lives in the area, argument that will probably not stand the test of time. Thanks for the explanation and advice, it'll help me next time. Elemimele (talk) 19:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I wanted to chime in and offer my 2 cents by bringing to your attention WP:UNDUE which may provide some clarity on how much coverage should focus on a trivial part of someone's life (for example if a teenage thug turned his life around and became CEO of an international company, 90% of the article should focus on his later adult life and any teenage setbacks should be kept to a bare minimum). LaceyUF (talk) 23:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @LaceyUF:, that's a really useful article. In this chap's case, his sole role at the moment seems to be as a political football for the newspapers to kick; whenever I find an article about him, it's because a newspaper has gone looking for some way they can make him look bad. This makes it quite difficult to be neutral, as the main sources aren't trying to be neutral. I am coming to the conclusion that US politics is not for the faint hearted. I shall return to debating priories in Suffolk, it's less stressful. Elemimele (talk) 17:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Which type of source in references we should provoid?

0: What is References exactly? 1: What kind of sources should be? 2: Zwak News was mentioned in lof sources, Does Mentioning name in sources is againest wiki rules? 3: How to Reply to this question?

THE REST OF MESSAGE:

Hello Dear Readers! I hope you are doing well and healthy during golbal pandemic! First i of all i have attached one more news resources as well, and check that. secondly someone keep my Draft Editing keeping removing article text. As per our country and behalf other wikipedians, I have most strong and amazing sources, Which means that my site has notability. but the problem is that "YOU GUYS ARE NOT FIMILAR WITH PASHTO LANGUAGE" AND MAKING DECINION BLINLDY. As per i have attached all of them news sources websites, and they have shared Zwak New's news contents, and gave credibillty to Zwak News is the proof that Zwak News have Notability. For example, Khpalwaak is News site, And that have millions of Followers in Social Media, similarly, Vote.af is Owned by Pajhwok New Medai, and have wikipadia page here has shared Zwak News important News site, which can share Truth News about Afghanistan Election.

Secondly "conflict of interest" i was resovled this issue with other vulenteer in live chat, and he told me that you have done, cause he gave me insturction and followed them. If you think this wansn't the solution for Confict of Interest then i am ready to delete this article if there is no way for solving this error.

On behalf of my country i am sure, No one else can right this way good article and they have that much references. Cause our ppl are not fimilar with Tech, and Bisically you guys dont fimilar with pashto and can't judge sources in a good way.

I DON'T SAY THAT YOU GUYS ARE CUREL PEOPLE AND OR HAVING PERSONAL PROBLEM WITH ME!

THERE IS MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT MY ARTICLE AND REFERENCES.

Becaue there is 30% English in google and you may use google for prefereences.

So, please kindly, Approve my article!

1. Note: ZWAK NEWS SITE IS NEW, THEY WERE PRODUING OFFLINE SOURCES, APPROVE MY ARTICLE IF WE DIDN'T BRING MORE POWERFUL SOURCES IN A VERY SOON WHILE WHILE, DIFINILTY REMOVE ZWAK NEWS ARTICLE. ImanSalvador (talk) 17:41, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, ImanSalvador. Please read Referencing for beginners and the definition of a reliable source. Have you considered writing for the Pashto Wikipedia instead? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:07, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Please stop posting multiple threads about the same issue. Likewise, repeatedly posting here and at WP:AFCHD, and persistently blaming others without actually addressing the problems in your draft (about which you have been repeatedly told) is disruptive. --Kinu ^t/_c 18:22, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

See #My References are Relialble and I am Known as Well! - There is a language barrier here and he wants the English article first. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 10:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Template color

Hello! I have been trying to edit a number of Indian state templates and I found that I am not able to change the template colours. While testing, I found that while I am able to change the colours of US state templates, I am not able to do the same for Indian state templates. For example, the Template:Vermont has a greenish colour. When I tried to do the same for Template:Uttar Pradesh, it did not show any change. Are template colours changeable only for US state templates? FlyJet777 (talk) 18:14, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@FlyJet777: Welcome to the Teahouse! Template:US state navigation box (used by {{Vermont}}) has a |color= parameter, while Template:Navbox (used by {{Uttar Pradesh}}) uses different parameters - see Template:Navbox#Style parameters for the details. GoingBatty (talk) 19:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I want a fair judgement on all @Bonadea edits

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I strongly believe the editor @Bonadea is not being fair and has been purposely removing things and trying to manipulate reliable sources as press release when it’s an interview done by popular and reliable journalists. It is not fair and someone has to look into all her edits. If this place truly is a fair place? Positiveilluminati (talk) 18:17, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Bonadea. ―Qwerfjkltalk 18:55, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

@Rosguill: The AN thread is closed, your closing comment about continuing discussion there is confusing. RudolfRed (talk) 19:28, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind, I see it was closed after this discussion was. RudolfRed (talk) 19:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

If there's a discussion to be had it should be had at AN, I don't have a strong opinion on whether it was appropriate to close the AN discussion at this time. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 19:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I believe I was stripped away of normal human rights, like I am just some name on the internet. Are we forgetting we are a community of humans and have rights to voice out what’s wrong? I feel like I’m being made to shut up unfairly. This is causing me so much anger and frustration because I’ve figured a pattern in this editors editing and it’s unfair. If I won’t get justice then I lose hope in humanity overall. Positiveilluminati (talk) 19:43, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, I feel like they do not want this issue to be raised somewhat I could be wrong no disrespect but they are mostly hushing me out of this with threats to ban me. I really hope some truthful and fair editors rises up and looks into this persons edits because they’re making big impactful decisions and I’ve figured a pattern they follow and if I voice it unfortunately I am threatened all sorts of things so I can’t voice my opinion. I didn’t know Wikipedia was meant to be like this. We need to be a fair community. Positiveilluminati (talk) 19:40, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I've explained to you that your accusations implying bigotry constitute personal attacks. If you continue forum-shopping like this, you will be blocked. Acroterion (talk) 19:42, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

I am not implying bigotry I said a pattern and I have not disclosed it yet, because you overpowered me to not express my feelings Positiveilluminati (talk) 19:45, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Positiveilluminati, perhaps unknowingly and may not have been your intention, but yes, you did imply bigotry, you are walking a very thin line of being blocked for personal attacks. Bonadea is a productive editor with years of experience under their belt, you on the other hand, are three months old, I’d suggest more listening and less talking. Celestina007 (talk) 21:51, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Are we sure PositiveIlluminati is not Nsmutte changing his MO a bit? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 21:47, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Positiveilluminati is already blocked. ―Qwerfjkltalk 21:54, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Qwerfjkl, that escalated quickly, talk about “0 to a 100” Celestina007 (talk) 22:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I propose an article for deletion?

How do I propose an article for deletion? Sennagod (talk) 18:31, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

See WP:AFDHOWTO. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:37, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

User:Sennagod Edit the article via source code, and then put at the very top the following code from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion

-Dcdiehardfan (talk) 20:56, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sennagod You can use Twinkle for both WP:AfD (Under WP:XfD) and WP:PROD. ―Qwerfjkltalk 21:04, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

If you are serious about this, I recommend AfD over PROD. The latter is typically for stale articles that have no potential. David notMD (talk) 21:46, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sennagod, I’m seconding David notMD, prods aren’t that much of a help as they can be challenged by just anybody, even the article creator themself. One question which hasn’t been asked yet is, what article do you intend to see deleted? If I’m reading this correctly, you are merely 9 hours old and I don’t see why you are interested in deletions. You are of course not compelled to reply me, but do tread carefully though. Celestina007 (talk) 22:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Sennagod has expressed an interest in Layla Love. David notMD (talk) 22:41, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD, ah! I see that now, not so sure why though they are taking interest there. Celestina007 (talk) 23:22, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

What is a barnstar and how do I get one?

I've seen barnstars on different talk pages before. But what are they, and what do you even use them for? please hear me out because I'm really confused. ==thanks== Sparklestern (talk) 22:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern, welcome to the Teahouse and we are glad to have you. Barnstars are a way to tell other editors you “see them” and admire their work, think about it like a token of appreciation, any editor can give you one if you work hard enough in joining us to build an encyclopedia. Celestina007 (talk) 22:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Barnstars. ―Qwerfjkltalk 22:12, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Sparklestern, forget barnstars. Start by making scrupulously referenced, intelligent, fair, minor additions to existing articles. Then move on to scrupulously referenced, intelligent, fair, substantive additions to existing articles. Once you have acquired that ability, consider creating an article. (Or rather, reconsider creating one.) If you do a good job of it, somebody might give you a barnstar; but by that point, you won't care much about such trivia. -- Hoary (talk) 23:29, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Also, be careful with your edits. You deleted a Barnstar from someone else's Talk page (since restored). David notMD (talk) 01:03, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

What is the best way to make discussions private other than email?

One thing that bothers me about sending email is that it exposes your email address to the other person and it exposes their email address to you. I don't like the public nature that all your conversations on wikipedia are readable for an eternity, even for unintended parties. I love snapchat because conversations automatically erase themselves and you're not allowed to take screenshots without getting caught/punished. Is there a feature that I'm unaware of that allows private discussions between editors? LaceyUF (talk) 22:56, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Not without off-wiki means, and even email, Discord, and IRC can't be used to influence discussions on-wiki barring extreme circumstances that would involve ArbCom. (And using Snapchat would be seen as suspicious as the preference for Wikipedia editors is transparency.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 23:01, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

You could create a throwaway email address that you only use on Wikipedia. Unless sensitive personal information is involved, discussions about Wikipedia should ideally be on Wikipedia for openness and transparency. 331dot (talk) 23:02, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, LaceyUF. Wikipedia is an open, collaborative project based on transparency. The vast majority of communication among editors should take place right here on Wikipedia, in the open. In the rare instances that communicating private information is necessary, the email function is available. If you do not want to disclose your regular email address, then you can set up a separate email account dedicated to your Wikipedia editing. By the way, when you send an email using Wikipedia's email function, you do not learn the recipient's email address unless that person freely chooses to respond to your email. There is no other feature allowing private communication through Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 23:06, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up: It seems the person I emailed declined to answer my curiosity stemming from an incident I read from their talk page (based on them replying to me on their talk page but not acknowledging the email). I hope it's fine if I email one of you three and ask for information about the same incident to satiate my curiosity on the matter. :) LaceyUF (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

It has been made fairly clear to you that transparency is valued here, unless there's a pressing reason not to be transparent. And editors tend to be too busy to allow them to satiate other editors' curiosity. -- Hoary (talk) 23:32, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

@LaceyUF Whilst you might email another user purely out of ‘curiosity’, don’t be surprised if they respond to you directly on your talk page. If you don’t want that to happen, don’t email them in the first place. I only respond by email to users I either know and trust, or if it’s essential to maintain confidentiality. Trivial emails will either be ignored or be responded to publicly, ‘cos openness is how we operate here. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:44, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello @LaceyUF, reechoing what my superior told you above, it takes trust for your e-mail to be replied, a major problem is if an e-mail is replied, their emails are exposed which bad faith editors can hack. Infact two-three weeks ago, I was subject to a brute force attempt to hack both my e-mail and account it got so bad that I had to enable WP:2FA to finally have peace of mind and continue my work. As Nick Moyes my superior already told you transparency is key on this collaborative project thus leaving a message on the TP of any editor is good practice except what you want to share is very private please do as I, and everyone else here has admonished you to. Celestina007 (talk) 00:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 One thing I am definitely NOT is your “superior” (except probably in age!) We are all ‘’equal’’ here, though some do have more experience in some areas than in others. I, for one, am still learning, even after 10 years here, and your input to Wikipedia is just as valued as mine is. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, thanks for being modest you are a sysop and whether i like it or not you are my superior, but thanks for the modesty and humility. Celestina007 (talk) 00:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up: I replied to Hoary here and if anyone wants to address my concerns I raised to him, feel free to do so here or on Hoary's talk page. In summary, it feels scummy to talk about people publicly especially involving them perhaps at their lowest points and bringing unnecessary attention to it. I still strongly feel like email and/or IRC and/or discord is the wisest way to discretely discuss matters which might embarrass other editors. I know that Wikipedia values transparency, but what about what I value and the values that I bring to the table? LaceyUF (talk) 00:58, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I guess the question is: why do you need to know whatever it is you're asking about? If it's something that would make someone else embarrassed if it were talked about openly, then idle curiosity is probably not a good enough reason. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 01:07, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

This is a fair and valid rebuttal. I got spoiled by the Wikipedia discord server last month which normalized illicit curiosity and I have since parted ways with that platform. I've been an editor for 3-4 years but I have never realized nor appreciated the full extent of popcorn-worthy tales & sagas that have transpired on this platform until recently. There's a funny saying about bureaucratic regulations that I will probably butcher but it's something like "for every rule that doesn't make sense, there's a death that could have been prevented". I'm a fan of horror movies and proverbial wiki-trainwrecks but I'm not going to partake in my pleasureful delights if it causes harm or embarrassment to my fellow editors. :) LaceyUF (talk) 01:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

New article

How to publish new articles of an author 117.226.216.121 (talk) 02:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a place for publishing the new (or old) articles by any author. But if you're asking about a new article about an author who doesn't yet have an article, please read Help:Your first article. -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How to suggest an edit

I know about editing pages, but in one case, I don't want to make an edit because I'm not sure of how to word it or exactly what should be changed. I simply want to point out that there's a discrepancy on both the page for July 11 and an article referenced on that page (one of the "on this day in history" articles).

In the mobile app for Wikipedia, I can see how to get to the talk page, and I found that on the desktop browser version, but all the help/instruction pages I've found about this subject are confusing, or are dead-ends (like getting to the page that says something like "...submit an edit request on the article talk page using the form below." - when there wasn't actually a form below).

If someone could please enlighten me as to how to suggest an edit, that would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers, Doug -  TravelinTexan (talk) 03:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@TravelinTexan: please feel free to add to this section if WP:ERW gives you trouble. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Postal addresses in the Republic of Ireland/Seperate Eircode routing key article.

The "Postal addresses in the Republic of Ireland" wiki page is excellently researched and written. But it is also extremely long and acts as more of a potted history of how addresses got to their current state than an overview of the current, on-the-ground reality. In it, there is a collapsable table of "Eircode routing keys in Ireland". I suggest creating a separate article for these along the lines of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_postcode_areas_in_the_United_Kingdom

Any thoughts? Thanks! JamesRCC (talk) 03:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Article flagged for deletion

I am trying to add an amazing person who I met recently as an expert in his field. I made a post but this is the first time to do this for a person I am not understanding the process needed for a person of notable accomplishment. My post has been flagged for deletion. Could I get an expert to walk me through what I need to do to keep the post and to improve it. Lovinjapan (talk) 03:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Lovinjapan: hello and welcome to the teahouse. The article you wrote (Rogier Uitenboogaart) had some problems, which isn't surprising! Writing new articles on Wikipedia is one of the hardest things you can do. it got tagged by some other editors, but I have gone through and cleaned up the problems. I removed the list of projects as it was not sourced very well. He is definitely worthy of an article by our standard. Thank you for your contribution to Wikipedia. --- Possibly ☎ 07:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I see no history that the article was flagged for deletion. Editor Possibly and another editor removed content that was inappropriate. An image for the article was Speedy deleted because it was a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 10:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Why?

Why was my contribution to Conway's Game of Life taken? Should it have been in another list? 71.95.113.226 (talk) 04:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

You added this incomprehensible sentence to the rules list, hence reverted. "If there are cells that are near three, that are near three, that are near three... will always stay live." David notMD (talk) 10:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

And the correct rules were already stated so there was no reason to add anything. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

That, and a broken image was inserted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Assistance with a draft page

Friends, can someone assist me with this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Artur_Aslanyan

I have read plenty on what constitutes as a "notability" and I am still stuck.

There are websites in my reference including Russian government and Russian Library, yet I still get a decline.

Could someone point me in the right direction to what am I doing wrong? Juliaevan (talk) 05:23, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Juliaevan. Have you read the essay here about what qualifies an academic (a description I think partly applies to Artur Aslanyan) as "notable" in Wikipedia's special meaning of the term, and does he fulfil one (or more) of the eight conditions listed?

If he does, the Draft/Article must describe how he does, and the text of that description must be cited to substantial mentions in Reliable sources (that are "published, reliable, secondary sources . . . independent of the subject").

On reading your draft, I think myself that his State Prize of the Russian Federation probably meets condition 2, and his involvement with Nafta College may meet conditions 6 and/or 7: however, I am not a reviewer, and I have not examined your existing sources.

A similar assessment can be made about him under the more general requirements of Wikipedia:Notability (people) with regard to his business and industrial activities, but it's less obvious to me whether he qualifies under those criteria.

I hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.125.73.120 (talk) 12:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Need article on Al Jacobs ( 1903- 1985)

Need article on Al Jacobs ( 1903- 1985) references https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0414311/bio https://www.loc.gov/item/ihas.200000021/ Fan of composer Rebecca Clarke (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Fan of composer Rebecca Clarke You could try Wikipedia:Requested articles, though it is unlikely your article will be made, or you could try writing a draft. ―Qwerfjkltalk 06:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft

How can I delete the Draft wording out of my title? PRaktisch.at (talk) 08:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

If you had references to reliable sources independent of the subject, you could submit the draft for AFC review. but at present your only references are to the organisation's own website, so there is no evidence of the subject's notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The process: You have created a draft. The next step is to submit it. In time (days, weeks, sadly as long as months) a reviewer will decide to accept, decline or reject. If accepted, the reviewer will remove "Draft" and it becomes an article. As DB pointed out, the draft in its current state will be declined, as the organization's own website does not convey notability. Also, be aware that if it does become an article, any editor will be able to edit it as long as valid refs are included. The organization will not "own" the article. David notMD (talk) 10:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How to manage my talk page .

My talk page is became bit old and have lots of messeges. How I can archive all the messeges ? Or Can I delete them to make my talk page neat and clean ?? Huge Earth (talk) 08:09, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

You can do any of various things. I think the neatest is to "move" your talk page to (i.e. rename it as) User:Huge Earth/Archive01 (without a redirect) and then restart your talk page with a link to User:Huge Earth/Archive01 -- Hoary (talk) 08:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

You'll find advice at Help:Archiving a talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How do.

EAt?

Ey Up IP. Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? This is solely what we do here. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Query on publishing an article

Dear Fellow editors,

I have published an article for editor review and it has been deleted based on conflict of interest. To be very honest, the page is about the founder of the C.F.T.R.I, Dr.V.Subrahmanyan and this article, I wanted to publish is intended to be an excerpt of the website, that is in progress. The content and the sources provided were all legit and I was having a problem in uploading the images, I intended to add as well. Please help me in this front. Thanks.

Regards, Subramani Krishnamurthy Dr.Subrahmanyan (talk) 09:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dr.Subrahmanyan: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you intend to publish an excerpt of the website, that isn't something that's allowed on Wikipedia per copyright concerns. Quoting is allowed, but it shouldn't be a substantial portion of the work.

As for the images, they can't have an unreleased copyright attached to them (unless they can be shown to meet all of the fair use criteria). The copyright holder of said images must release the copyright themselves; if that is you (i.e., you took the picture), then you would have to declare that you acknowledge that anyone can use those images for any reason, even for commercial purposes, so long as they attribute its source. If you don't hold the copyright, the holder must donate them via a process.

Finally, if you yourself are not Subrahmanyan, stop using this account, as this contravenes Wikipedia's username policy, and create one that doesn't imply that Subrahmanyan is using it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:27, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Your draft was not deleted. Here it is. Your submission of it was declined. If by "excerpts" you mean what I think "excerpts" mean, then you run into a serious problem of copyright. However, even if you summarize the material in a way that could not be described as plagiarism or a copyright violation, Wikipedia is not much interested in what the organization Subrahmanyan founded says about him. Instead, you should base the article on sources independent of him. These (serious) matters aside, a look at your draft suggests a well-meaning but seriously underinformed attempt to create an article. Creating an article is hard, and if you attempt it without the experience of augmenting and improving some existing articles, the experience will be very frustrating for you. -- Hoary (talk) 09:32, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

After you start a new account with a new User name, ALL FACTS need to be verified by in-line references. See WP:Referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 10:50, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I need help adjusting an article

I recently got a denial in upload of an article of a notable Senior Advocate for some reason I really don't understand. Below is the message I got from the reviewer

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia. This submission is not adequately supported by reliable sources. Reliable sources are required so that information can be verified. If you need help with referencing, please see Referencing for beginners and Citing sources.

The comment the reviewer left was: Lacks reliable, secondary sources. Many of the sources do little to indicate notability.

I don't quite understand what He meant by secondary source I cited every notable web content that attests to the Subject. Please can someone help me out so I can know what sources I should provide cos the subject is one of the top most influential Senior Advocate Of Nigeria and I wanted to publish an article on him. Mysticmindz (talk) 10:35, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Mobolaji Ayorinde

@Mysticmindz:, welcome to the Teahouse. If you look at the message you received, it contains a number of links to Wikipedia policies and guidelines; I'll copy the message here with the links included:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The word "secondary" is linked to a policy page that explains what Wikipedia means by "secondary". Please take a moment to read the information, and then you can come back here if anything is still unclear. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 10:55, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the response I would look into the suggestions and ask questions for more clarity. Mysticmindz (talk) 11:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy: Now at Draft:Mobolaji Ayorinde. David notMD (talk) 10:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Of the 26 references, can you identify at least three that you believe establish his notability? Most (all) appear to confirm his life, education, career as a lawyer, publications, appointed positions, minor awards, etc., but I am hard-pressed to find what makes him extraordinary. David notMD (talk) 11:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate your response Sir. If I get you correctly, you mean If I can provide citations showing more notable position/role in the society such as him been the current special adviser to the governor, a chief and a politician who recently was consider for post of the governor, it would suffice as secondary source to make him stand out. Also I have seen mention of him here on wiki but not as an article two instances are his detailed assets on Forbes and on a list of politician which ran for offices previous year,(I created this article from this particular list) please advice me on how I can incorporate this mentions Mysticmindz (talk) 11:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Running for office is not sufficient. Ditto a mention of financial assets by a Forbes article (wealth does not equate notability). Useful refs are articles written about him (not just brief mentions). Special adviser to the governor has potential. David notMD (talk) 13:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Image help

Hi, I was hoping to add a photo to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Reynolds so I got permission from the photographer and she gave me the information to properly credit her. This is the same photo that Gareth uses for his upcoming comedy show announcements, etc. Is that enough to use the photo? It got deleted but I'm not sure if I'm just doing it wrong or if there isn't a way to use that photo. Thanks. AnnieBee3 (talk) 10:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

It's not. You having the permission is irrelevant because we do not accept fair-use images of living people. Have the photographer go through the process at WP:Donating copyrighted materials instead. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 11:01, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I am unsure about the notability of a niche topic in sanitation

Hi, teahouse folks. Thanks in advance for your time to respond to my question. Some colleagues of mine sent me a draft Wikipedia article (in Word) and asked me if I can help create a Wikipedia article for it. However, I am not too sure if the topic is sufficiently notable. It's about a fairly new concept in sanitation (around 2-3 years old) which may not have been around for long enough. Before I tell them that I want to make sure I am not being overly critical, so I thought I would ask here. The topic and short description is this: "Citywide Inclusive Sanitation (CWIS) - Citywide Inclusive Sanitation abbreviated as ‘CWIS’, presents a paradigm shift in urban sanitation for low- and middle-income countries. It is an approach to urban sanitation, where all members of the city have equitable access to adequate and affordable improved sanitation services through appropriate systems of all scales (sewered & non-sewered), without any contamination to the environment along the entire sanitation value chain (1)." The references that they plan to use are these (mostly websites although I could help them replace those with publications on those websites:

1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343737442_Solving_urban_sanitation_-_sustainably_and_equitably/download
2. https://blogs.worldbank.org/water/addressing-urban-sanitation-crisis-time-radical-shift
3. https://citywideinclusivesanitation.com/call-to-action/
4. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/11/06/world-bank-group-and-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-commit-to-innovation-to-speed-up-sanitation-for-all
5. https://www.eawag.ch/fileadmin/Domain1/Abteilungen/sandec/schwerpunkte/sesp/CWIS/cwis_old_wine_new_bottle.pdf
6. https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/9491/city-wide-sanitation-the-urban-sustainability-challenge#articles
7. https://blogs.worldbank.org/water/cwis-new-web-hub
8. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2020.00019/full
9. https://www.gatesfoundation.org/ideas/speeches/2018/11/reinvented-toilet-expo
10. Spuhler, D., Germann, V., Kassa, K., Ketema, A.A., Sherpa, A.M., Sherpa, M.G., Maurer, M., Lüthi, C. and Langergraber, G. 2020. Developing sanitation planning options: a tool for systematic consideration of novel technologies and systems. Journal of Environmental Management 271. DOI: 10.1016/j.jenvman.2020.111004.
11. https://adb.eventsair.com/online-adb-sanitation-dialogue-2021/cwis-knowledge-hub
12. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2019.00201/full
13. https://sfd.susana.org/
14. https://www.susana.org/en/knowledge-hub/resources-and-publications/library/details/3700
15. www.cwiscostingtool.com
16. https://www.cwisplanning.com/
17. https://www.eawag.ch/en/department/sandec/projects/sesp/sanitation-technology-and-system-choice-for-urban-planning-sanichoice/
18. https://sanitationeducation.org/
19. https://www.eawag.ch/en/department/sandec/projects/sesp/consultant-capacity-development-concad-for-city-wide-inclusive-urban-sanitation/
20. http://scbp.niua.org/
21. https://fsm-alliance.org/
22. https://amcow-online.org/
23. www.susana.org
24. https://www.eawag.ch/en/department/sandec/e-learning/moocs/

I think my advice to them would be to rather include the content in the existing article on sanitation, rather than create a new article. On the other hand, there are other small-ish articles on small topics/concepts in the sanitation arena such as CLTS or IWRM which one could argue are similar cases; however I would say they have become notable over time because they have been around long enough and a variety of publications have been published about them. - Note a Google search on the topic gives 44,000 hits which to me seems rather low but I know that's not conclusive evidence one way or another. EMsmile (talk) 11:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The sources that are just website homepages are all completely useless for that reason alone. No opinion on the other sources. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 11:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Yea Jéské Couriano, if I take out the websites then these are the remaining references that they propose to use for the article (they are fairly high quality but pretty much all from EAWAG or Worldbank; so it could be seen as just two organisations pushing this concept, which has apparently been around since 2016):

1. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/343737442_Solving_urban_sanitation_-_sustainably_and_equitably/download
2. https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2018/11/06/world-bank-group-and-bill-melinda-gates-foundation-commit-to-innovation-to-speed-up-sanitation-for-all
3. https://www.eawag.ch/fileadmin/Domain1/Abteilungen/sandec/schwerpunkte/sesp/CWIS/cwis_old_wine_new_bottle.pdf
4. https://www.frontiersin.org/research-topics/9491/city-wide-sanitation-the-urban-sustainability-challenge#articles
5. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2020.00019/full
6. Spuhler, D., Germann, V., Kassa, K., Ketema, A.A., Sherpa, A.M., Sherpa, M.G., Maurer, M., Lüthi, C. and Langergraber, G. 2020. Developing sanitation planning options: a tool for systematic consideration of novel technologies and systems. Journal of Environmental Management 271. DOI: 10.1016/j.jenvman.2020.111004.
7. https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fenvs.2019.00201/full
8. https://www.susana.org/en/knowledge-hub/resources-and-publications/library/details/3700 EMsmile (talk) 12:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

If you are going to create a Wikipedia article from Word, you can try this list of Word to Wikipedia conversion tools. I believe WikEd also allows copying and pasting.. ―Qwerfjkltalk 17:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm having a dispute about certain edits with someone.

So I've given proper sources for my edits, I've also specified my reason why I am adding these edits. But that person insists that I cannot add it at the beginning. I thought its necessary as its the popular theory of the origin of the ritual. Now he's resorted to tossing allegations. I had made a mistake before where I removed a line because I could not find proper sources for it. There is also this line which I removed because it was clearly false(the article referenced was saying the exact opposite of what was written), but he keeps reverting it and insisted that it's "important" content. Can this dispute be resolved reasonably? Somethingsomeoneqwerty (talk) 11:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Sati (practice) - X201 (talk) 11:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

The place to discuss it is on the talk page of the article. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:20, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Copyright question

Hi,

For my work i want to take notes from Wikipedia content. For examples i want to take notes of the list of countries and largest cities of the world. Can i do it or do i need to attribute?

Thank you

You should always cite the sources. The Wikipedia article, or the original source which the Wikipedia article used, depending on what piece you are writing. EMsmile (talk) 11:59, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

IP editor: yes, you are very welcome to use any content from Wikipedia. It is freely licenced, but on condition that some form of attribution of citation is given. See WP:CITEWIKI. Doing this also benefits you and your audience; they can see where you have got your information from, and it can be checked out. I see so many 'unsupported statements' in the news media and on social media, that I have come to distrust all those who do not allow me to see where information has come from and to judge the factual accuracy for myself. There is also one note of caution to be mentioned: because we are user-edited, at only given point in time it is possible for one user to insert false information which has yet to be expunged. It's always worth checking the article's 'history' to see if there might be an ongoing disruptive edit war happening there which could affect the reliability of the content. Because we 'follow' rather than lead, our information may well be somewhat out of date when compared to official sources that we rely upon. So the wisdom of copying Wikipedia content should be based upon its intended use. Whilst I am happy to use Windows 10 at home, I would hope NASA rockets relied on more reliable operating systems to get us to the Moon or Mars. Best, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Editing a protected or Semi protected article

Hello please would like to edit a ssemi protected article .How do I go about that?I am adding a relevant video to it. Thank you Zend2020 (talk) 12:15, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

You may make an edit request on the article's talk page. Kleinpecan (talk) 12:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Your account meets the conditions for being autoconfirmed, so you can edit the article directly. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Confused: I attached references in my article that were later (and appreciated the assist) converted to links to Wikipedia pages...

Full transparency: First time published. I understood from the tutorials that using Wikipedia pages as references is a 'no no'. Edits to the article I published swapped several footnotes with links to Wikipedia pages. I'm trying to fix my understanding, so 1) Wikipedia pages can't be footnotes but they can be links, and 2) I should try to link to a Wikipedia page before creating a footnote? Thanks.Tchula65 (talk) 12:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC) Tchula65 (talk) 12:54, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Tchula65, Yes, linking to relevant Wikipedia articles is fine, but should never be used as a reference. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I assume you are talking about this edit. Citations on Wikipedia are intended to help verify that the information comes from a reliable source. In this case, however, it seems the citation was used not to verify the statement, but to explain what a broadside ballad is. In such cases it is better to link to the Wikipedia article about the topic instead of adding unrelated citations. Linking to relevant Wikipedia articles is acceptable and is encouraged: after all, linking to other pages is what the World Wide Web is about. Kleinpecan (talk) 13:29, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Adding own works

Hello, I'm new.

What are the rules on adding my own work as sources or further reading to pages? Does this constitute a conflict of interest or should I go ahead? If it's a problem, are there workarounds that maintain Wikipedia integrity?

Thanks! Charcoo (talk) 14:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Charcoo Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are correct that it would be a conflict of interest for you to make edits related to your own work. You are welcome to make a formal edit request(click for instructions), detailing changes you feel are needed and the reason- this may appear to others as if you are promoting your own work, so you will need to give a reason that it adds to the article. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your help. Charcoo (talk) 14:46, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Charcoo: The policy at WP:SELFCITE implies that you may sometimes add citations to your own work directly (i.e. not always using edit requests). This would, for example, cover peer-reviewed publications in academic journals which are not excessive in the context of the rest of the article in question. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I create "Listen to this article" recordings?

I recently saw that some articles have an audio file just after the introduction that is labelled as "Listen to this article", which acts about as you'd expect. Can anyone just create and add these recordings (like normal edits) or are there additional requirements? Thanks in advance :) Actualcpscm (talk) 16:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Actualcpscm, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find information about making these recordings at WP:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

List of jazz pianists

Hello,

I am an administrator for Late Great Jazz Pianists on Facebook and study everything do do with jazz piano and its history.

How may I add influential (living or deceased) pianists to the 'List of jazz pianists'?

Thank you, Chris Grand88Upright (talk) 16:24, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Grand88Upright, note first that the list is for people with WP-articles. If you know of jazz pianists with WP-articles that are missing from that list you can add them, WP:TUTORIAL can get you started. Otherwise you have to create a WP-article for the person first, and such an article will only be kept on WP if it's done right and meets the demands of WP:BASIC/WP:NMUSICIAN. If that is something you want to spend time learning how to do, start with reading WP:TUTORIAL, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

How to check if a eopard Gecko is pregnant ?

 Yo17h2 (talk) 16:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Yo17h2: Welcome to the Teahouse. This isn't the proper place to ask questions like these; you should try the reference desk. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:41, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Leopard geckos are viviparious? I thought they laid eggs. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 20:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Malewashing bias on the Juneteenth article--editors removing intersectional additions to create neutrality as "original research"

Hello,

I was reading the article on the new Juneteenth federal holiday and I was concerned because in talking about the history of the holiday it repeatedly implies all African-Americans had the same legal "emancipated" status that lead to these celebrations, normalizing the idea that what is history for "men" is real history and acting like that is the history for all. The page lacked neutrality, in other words.

This is an exact parallel error as if an article on women's suffrage celebrations said that "all" women could vote after the 19th Amendment was passed. In fact, the Wiki article on the 19th Amendment has a lengthy section on how that did not apply to women of color in practice because of Jim Crow laws. Emancipation did not apply to African-American women in practice because of common law coverture. Further, African-American women leaders at the time knew this and spoke out against coverture. Also, African-American women leaders have been speaking out about coverture laws ever since, up until the present day. Further, Juneteenth celebrations often cover this fact of the "unfinished business" and honor the African-American women leaders who spoke out against it.

In an attempt to make the page more neutral, I formed all this into an edit, complete with ample RS connecting this to Juneteenth celebrations and the editors told me it was "original research" and did a hatchet job on the edit, removing the women leaders' voices, but leaving their names. Which to me is saying, "These icons of history can be SEEN, but not HEARD," and is a form of censoring women's voices. Please note that I do connect this "unfinished business" to Juneteenth celebrations. For example, Sojourner Truth's life and advocacy is regularly celebrated through reading lists that contain her biography that includes this advocacy and I found a Juneteenth screening of a documentary of Pauli Murray's life--she coined the term "Jane Crow" to talk about sex discrimination in the law towards African-American women in particular.

Further, the article talks about how Juneteenth is celebrated in other ways, like breakfasts and dressing up for re-enactments.

This, to me, is a clear double standard. Talking about white supremacy in the history of women's emancipation is relevant, but talking about male supremacy in the history of African-American emancipation, the women who fought against it, and the people who celebrate that today in Juneteenth commemorations is "off topic."

Worse, multiple editors are engaging in personal attacks towards me on the talk page--that I am "callous" had a "political agenda" that I am trying to "Right a Great Wrong," that I should go publish research instead of editing wikipedia, etcs. One editor said the problem with my edit was that it was injecting "too much feminism" into the article. All the usual stuff that people get when they try to include diverse voices. Which is ironic on a page about Juneteenth, which is including diverse voices in American history. One editor straight up said that I can't write about the male supremacy in African-American history because racists will use that to discredit the history of chattel slavery--and that actually IS politically motivated reasoning for removing my edit. Multiple fallacious, extreme straw arguments were made and attributed to me to make me look unreasonable an unhinged and my boundaries against these violations of wikipedia talk page standards was called "abuse." So, there's four issues here:

1) The implicit bias in the Juneteenth page making male history the default history

2) Labeling an attempt to remove that bias by adding diverse voices "original content" and gutting the necessary context from the edit.

3) The explicit bias in how this type of edit is viewed across articles: i.e. removing intersectional edits that call out male supremacy in African-American history out of fear, but allowing edits that call out white supremacy in women's history because that improves the article (which it does, btw). In other words, normalizing a Wiki standard in which intersectionality only goes one way.

4) The disrespectful hostile environment in the talk page towards a person attempting to make this type of edit, that is in violation of wiki standards of respectful communication.

It seems like they are not seeing the bias of the page and so are seeing my correction of the bias as bias.

My question is: Do you see anything wrong with this edit? If so, can you see how I can fix it to be able to point out the necessary addition of coverture to the article? The editors specifically do not want to discuss coverture or the fact that that unfinished is noted in Juneteenth celebrations. Celebrating Juneteenth with pancakes? Military uniforms? Great! Celebrating by noting "unfinished business for women?" That's FEMINISM!! We can't have THAT! It will reflect negatively on African-American men! But no one has a problem with calling out the racism in the women's suffrage movement...

Here is my edit:

Honoring African-American women’s rights leaders in Juneteenth Celebrations Juneteenth commemorations,[72][73][74] recommended reading lists, [75] [76][77] and documentaries screened as part of Juneteenth celebrations [78][79] honor the unique contributions of African-American women leaders such as Sojourner Truth, Ida B. Wells, Francis Harper, Pauli Murray [80] and “countless others” who “fought for African American women to not only to be recognized as humans, but also as women and citizens.”[81] These intersectional Juneteenth remembrances acknowledge the unique position of African-American women after the abolition of slavery. African-American women not only had no legal protection against discrimination of the basis of sex,[82][83] but the common law doctrine of “coverture” gave African-American fathers and husbands legal control over their daughters’ and wives’ property and persons, including women’s education, wages and their own children.[84] [85]Husbands also had an absolute right to sexual access to their wives. "Within marriage, a wife’s consent was implied, so under the law, all sex-related activity, including rape, was legitimate. A man wasn’t allowed to beat his wife to death, but he could beat her."[86][87]

Notable examples of the women's rights advocacy of African-American women that are honored in Juneteenth celebrations include Sojourner Truth’s "Address to the First Annual Meeting of the American Equal Rights Association" in 1867. [88] Speaking directly to African-American men, Truth connected the similarities between coverture and chattel slavery, “You have been having our rights so long, that you think, like a slave-holder, that you own us.” In 1866, Francis Harper maintained that "justice is not fulfilled so long as woman is unequal before the law" in a speech given to the Eleventh National Women’s Rights Convention. [89] Over a century later, in 1965, Pauli Murray, a founder of the National Organization for Women, examined how African-American women still did not have equal protection of the law against sex discrimination in an influential George Washington Law Review essay “Jane Crow and the Law: Sex Discrimination and Title VII.” [90] [91] In June, 2021, Koleika Seigle, the first African-American president of the California chapter of the National Organization for Women, addressed the California legislature during public hearings on proposed legislation to end the state's leniencies afforded to spousal rapists, stating "rape is rape, whether you're married or not." [92][93]

And here is how it was gutted of necessary context:

Honoring African-American women’s rights leaders in Juneteenth Celebrations[edit source] Juneteenth commemorations,[72][73][74] recommended reading lists, [75] [76][77] and documentaries screened as part of Juneteenth celebrations [78][79] honor the unique contributions of African-American women leaders such as Sojourner Truth, Ida B. Wells, Francis Harper, Pauli Murray [80] and “countless others” who “fought for African American women to not only to be recognized as humans, but also as women and citizens.”[81]

You can read my edit here to see how the RS connects this to Juneteenth celebrations:

And how it was changed here:

My user name is AmorLucis (it says below not to sign with tildes)

Thank you for your help. AmorLucis (talk) 16:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@AmorLucis Welcome to the Teahouse. We don't help adjudicate disputes here. If an agreement can't be reached, you take this to dispute resolution (noticeboard). —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I thought this page helped with improving edits, no? Can give an opinion on the edit and whether or not it's "original research?" I did already take it to dispute resolution, I'm not asking for help disputing the edit. I'm asking for help on the edit. I just talked about the dispute to give the edit context. AmorLucis (talk) 16:51, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

References

I'll have a go at summarising the problem, but since it hasn't got sorted at the article's talk page (which is the right place for sorting such things) I haven't much confidence I'll do a better job here. But as this is the TeaHouse, not the talk-page, I'll concentrate on the general problem, not the specific problem.

The general problem is this: because Wikipedia is a tertiary source, if we have a reference that says the sea is wet, and another that says Mr Smith fell in the sea, we are not allowed to say that Mr Smith got wet. A secondary source, bringing together and summarising primary sources, and written in the voice of the secondary source's published author, can say such things. We don't write with our names attached as authors, so in that sense, we're not allowed to "think" or have opinions. In the Juneteenth article, you've argued that (1) the article is about how coloured men gained rights, but (2) married women had no legal rights, their rights being subsumed in those of their husband and therefore (1)+(2) married women were denied the rights that were given to coloured men, and therefore weren't emancipated. It may be true, but it's a synthesis of two (different) areas of law. I personally think that the other editors are right to keep this to a minimal part of the article, if it gets in at all, because Juneteenth is about colour versus white, not about male versus female. At the time, married white women suffered from precisely the same discrimination. Had the gender discrimination not existed, the emancipation would have been universal. If you put the male versus female bit into what should be an article commemorating emancipation, it waters down and weakens a historic and incredibly important thing: the realisation that coloured people should have the same legal rights as white people. This is too important a thing to lose. That's not to say that the realisation women should have the same rights as men isn't also vitally important, but it's different, and needs to go in a different article. Also, I'd suggest it's a really good idea not to use such terms as Malewashing. Wikipedia is written by a lot of people doing their best to be neutral, to report carefully what the secondary sources say, and in a balanced way. If you use highly aggressive and accusatory terms like this, people will rapidly become upset and uncooperative. A final point: there are a lot of feminists in the world, and WP's editors represent a fairly broad cross-section of society; it's unlikely you're the only person who feels strongly about feminism in that talk-page. If you're not getting any support in a fairly active debate, it may be worth asking yourself why. It's really hard to edit on subjects about which we feel strongly. Personally, I think it's sometimes easier to step away from emotive subjects and come back a bit later, having re-thought. Good luck! Elemimele (talk)

@AmorLucis:  Courtesy link: Juneteenth This should be on the talk page, and formed as a Wikipedia:Requests for comment. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:49, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm taking this elsewhere, but I don't want to let these troubling comments go unaddressed here:

I'm not talking about feminism. I'm talking about intersectional consistency. And I'm saying that without it, articles are not neutral.

Thank you for your honest summary because a lot of what you said was further evidence that intersectional inconsistency is systemic in Wikipedia editing and that the nuances of intersectionality have not yet caught on across the board here. So you helped me to be even more confident in my position that what we have here is a culture that doesn't know what it doesn't know about intersectionality.

For example, a community that would hear the term "malewashing" as "highly aggressive" while calling itself "feminist" has an inconsistency problem. That's like a "Civil Rights advocate" saying "Don't say "racism," it's highly aggressive and it will be off putting to this community."

And I'm just going to flip what you said to prove this point:

"If you put the black versus white bit into what should be an article commemorating women's suffrage, it waters down and weakens a historic and incredibly important thing: the realisation that female people should have the same legal rights as male people. This is too important a thing to lose."

No one says that. We just spent an entire year talking about how Black women couldn't vote after women's suffrage without fearing it would "water down" anything. I'm literally just saying the same thing about Juneteenth.

You are expressing an attitude I see across Wikipedia that inclusion as a bad thing in one context and a good thing in another. That's the definition of "intersectional inconsistency." And why this Juneteenth article is not neutral.

AmorLucis (talk) 01:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

It's important to be aware of what neutrality means in the context of Wikipedia policy, because that may not be precisely identical to what it means in a different context. Note the phrasing of the corresponding pillar:

“ We strive for articles in an impartial tone that document and explain major points of view, giving due weight for their prominence. ”

Seems to me intersectionalist considerations have the potential to come into conflict with both of those points. On the one hand, when they fail to be sufficiently represented in the sources that, as determined by editor concensus, represent the "major points of view", then they arguably fall outside the proper scope of the corresponding article. Intersectionality theory is relatively young, so I'd imagine that especially in the case of matters historical, like the one in question, that's quite likely to be the case. Whether that's unfortunate is neither here nor there, ultimately. And if so, what you'd need to do is show that a minority of more modern sources that do take a more intersectionalist stance effectively supersede a majority of less modern ones. Needless to say, simply stating the opinion that they ought to do so won't cut it.

On the other hand, intersectionality is at least in some sense a maximum-inclusivity approach, and is as such at least superficially at cross-purposes with the concept of "due weight". Which is not to say that the two are incompatible, but they do need to be reconciled. Which is helped by care and effort, and hindered by a crusading stance and an assumption of bad faith.

Of course, that's merely my take on things!

- 89.183.221.153 (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse and experience

Can experienced users go in the Teahouse? I'm not experienced. The Master of Hedgehogs (talk) 16:56, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

As I understand it, everyone is welcome in the Teahouse. We inexperienced users can ask questions, and the experienced ones can answer them. And people tend to be nice and tolerant round here! Elemimele (talk) 17:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@The Master of Hedgehogs, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m sorry your question is open to multiple interpretations, do you mean you want to become a Teahouse host? Or do you mean if you can ask questions here? Per the former, when you are well versed in policy you most definitely could become a host. Per the latter, you are always welcome to ask questions here and we are more than willing to be of assistance to you. Do you have any more questions? Celestina007 (talk) 22:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm a Teahouse host and I still ask the occasional question here if it's in an area where I feel completely new (printing articles was one example) Nosebagbear (talk) 01:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@The Master of Hedgehogs: Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, experienced users can ask questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia here just like newbies, but there's also the help desk, which doesn't have the "training wheels" the Teahouse has. Answers here are typically given as if the asker has no clue about Wikipedia lingo, whereas at the help desk you'll see shortcuts like MOS:ITALICS and WP:BLUE thrown out more often. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Citing page numbers in PDF book

I want to cite this book, in which the PDF file has one set of page numbers (those that #page=x would refer to; these start with the cover as page 1), but there is a different set of page numbers at the bottom of each page's text (with the start of the first chapter as page 1 and everything before it numbered with Roman numerals or not at all). Which of these should I use to give a page number in the citation? - 73.195.249.93 (talk) 18:04, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

You should use the page numbers printed in the text, as it's that work you're citing, not the specific PDF you're linking which conveys that work. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:06, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Can any experienced editor check my sandbox - Hyperlink InfoSystem?

 Courtesy link: User:Wikiewik/sandbox

I've created a short draft. Can someone review it? I believe this company is notable and my draft is neutral. Wikiewik (talk) 19:26, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Submitted 12 July and Declined 12 July. Your 'references' are basically versions of 2020 corporate press releases. One had this disclaimer at the bottom: "No Deccan Chronicle journalist was involved in creating this content. The group also takes no responsibility for this content." Thus, fails notability. David notMD (talk) 20:10, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia reliability?

why is wikipedia not trusted

Hello, IP editor. I added a heading to your question. The info at Reliability_of_Wikipedia and Wikipedia:General_disclaimer might answer your question. If you want to use info from Wikipedia, look for the citation in the article for it, and go to that source instead. RudolfRed (talk) 20:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

• @156.1.40.96, hello and welcome to the Teahouse. “why is wikipedia not trusted” you ask? this is not necessarily true but is however a philosophical stance held by a certain group of people, especially those in academia, Wikipedia is arguably the most popular website on earth and it is literally a go to for first hand information by most people. Academics are skeptical about Wikipedia and their opinion is their prerogative, When I was a teenager teaching English in Nigeria, I warned my students not to ever use Wikipedia to get information for assignments I gave them, I was an ignorant teenager then but now I know better, I can tell you that Wikipedia is indeed a reliable place to source for information. You see we do not just unilaterally write what we think, we rely on reliable sources and basically summarize (in our own words) what has already been reported by reliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 21:30, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: Please be careful with your wording. Wikipedia is not a reliable source in the Wikipedia sense of that term, because the content is all user generated. RudolfRed (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@RudolfRed, Please take time to read before replying and do not misrepresent my comments nor take them out of context. I never mentioned that Wikipedia was a reliable source to them, I made an explanation to them about how Wikipedia works and in no where did I expressly tell them that Wikipedia is a reliable source. So it’s like I mentioned earlier, Please do not rush to reply without assimilating, it’s counter productive. Celestina007 (talk) 22:11, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007: You may wish to reconsider your wording "I can tell you that Wikipedia is indeed a reliable place to source for information." It is not surprising that RudolfRed interpreted it the way he did, and we wouldn't want new users to be confused by your reply. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:48, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph, I do appreciate how the wording can be misinterpreted, or misleading, without disagreeing with you, or wanting to speak on this any longer/elongating this, what I was implying or trying to make them understand that Wikipedia relies on reliable sources for its content and we do not unilaterally write what we think outta the blues rather we summarize what has already been reported by reliable sources. I did not expressly tell them Wikipedia is a reliable source to be used, but that information contained in Wikipedia articles are not necessarily unreliable because they are based on RS. I however do take responsibility for any misunderstanding. Celestina007 (talk) 00:20, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

CropTool not showing up

Hello. For some reason, my CropTool won't show up when I go to try and crop an image on Commons. I tried re-installing CropTool, but the thing on the side told me I already had CropTool enabled in my preferences. What should I do? Paul Vaurie (talk) 21:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Paul Vaurie, hold on whilst I notify experts in image related problems. Celestina007 (talk) 21:39, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Godsy, Alexis Jazz, care to chime in here? Celestina007 (talk) 21:38, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007, I'm indeffed so I can't test anything properly, but CropTool does seem to load. @Paul Vaurie: do you see the "⌗ CropTool" link? Are you actually on Commons and not looking at a Commons image on Wikipedia? (compare w:File:Example en.svg and c:File:Example en.svg) Are you logged in? If you have the "⌗ CropTool" link, what happens exactly when you click it? Does [1] work for you? Which skin do you use? (check your preferences, Vector is default) Do you use the mobile site?— Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 00:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz: No, the issue is that I don't see the # CropTool link. Yes, I am actually on Commons and not Wikipedia. Yes, the link you put works for me. I just can't seem to see the link on the left side of the page on Commons. I think I use the Vector skin. Sometimes I use the mobile site, but very rarely. Mostly just on my laptop. Paul Vaurie (talk) 09:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Paul Vaurie, using the desktop site, can you either log out or open a private window, create a new account, enable the CropTool gadget (if it isn't enabled by default, I'm not sure), go to c:File:Example.jpg (CropTool doesn't support all file formats, so look at a .jpg to be sure) and see if you get the CropTool link (should be near the "Cite this page" link)? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 11:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

help in renaming a page to publish

Dear reader,We need help to change the title of a page "Madinah.Award" so that we can publish it. Please we need to change the title of the page. As the archived help pages recommend to use the Move tool, which we don't have. please help with this. thank you in advance Madinah.Award (talk) 22:17, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Madinah.Award hello and welcome to the Teahouse, first thing is, you need to change your username as it is against policy to use a promotional username. Secondly I noticed you made use of the plural “we” as opposed to the singular “I” , do you have more than one account or share this account with someone else? If yes please discontinue both actions because here, policy mandates us to use only one account (except for reasons covered under WP:LEGITSOCK) and not share our account with third party. Attend to the aforementioned before we discuss your question. Furthermore reading our WP:COI policy may prove helpful for/to you. Celestina007 (talk) 22:33, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Madinah.Award: If you are referring to User:Madinah.Award/sandbox, the draft contains copyvio issues, meaning that you may have copied and pasted from another source that doesn't comply with licenses on Wikipedia. (earwig) Justiyaya 22:40, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Madinah.Award:, you also drafted an article on your user page. You may not use your user page for this purpose. And you did so in Arabic, whereas this is the English-language Wikipedia. (Arabic-language Wikipedia is at ar.wikipedia.org.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Madinah.Award: - please do not post requests for help in multiple places, as you did at the help desk and here. You're getting the same answer, but making twice as much work for other volunteers. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:00, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Corporate notability and reliable sources

I'm really confused about why my draft ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Superloop_(telecommunications_company) ) was rejected. The notes mention using what "independent reliable sources have written about the subject" but that's what I thought I had? The references used are articles about the company from varied external and reputable news sources. When I look at similar pages (like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exetel or this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aussie_Broadband) where a high percentage of the references are internal, I'm really confused about what's different about my submission? Can someone please help me better understand so I can make the appropriate edits? Zombiesmith (talk) 23:12, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Zombiesmith, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, a brief glance of the draft article and I noticed it read more like a "page" than an article, I haven’t had a look at the sources but even if you made use of reliable sources, if it reads like a promotional page it would be outrightly rejected, in your case the draft article was declined and not rejected. Please read both WP:NPOV and WP:RS. Furthermore saying article abc is exactly like my article xyz so it should be retained on mainspace or accepted is an argument to avoid. Celestina007 (talk) 23:21, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

@Celestina007 Thanks for the feedback, I really appreciate it. My reasoning for bringing up the other articles was more to get a better sense of why something similar has been approved so that I can better emulate those rather than an excuse for mine to be accepted, so apologies for the lack of clarity there. The feedback in the declined article doesn't mention point of view, only notability and references, hence my confusion. I totally take on board the POV feedback and can work on this, but I'm still unclear about what's wrong with the references I used as this was the main cause noted for declining the article.

@Zombiesmith, I’m retiring to bed now it is 1:53am in the nation I currently reside in, and by 4:30 am I have to be in my office place. Please 331dot could you be of assistance to them? Celestina007 (talk) 00:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

• Zombiesmith Hello. I see that you declared a COI(thanks); if you work for the company, you will need to make the stricter paid editing declaration. Regarding your draft, it just tells about the company and what it does. Wikipedia articles must do more, they must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what the company says about itself, but in what others completely unconnected with the company have chosen on their own to say about it. Most of your sources seem to be press release-type stores or announcements of routine business activities, these things do not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 00:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How to add content to an existing Wikipedia page?

I would like to add links to books and music pertaining to the individual the page is designed for. Please advise. 76.90.215.244 (talk) 23:31, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Before adding links, be sure to read and digest Wikipedia:External links. -- Hoary (talk) 07:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Image eligibility for Wikipedia

FYI

 – Heading added. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

What images can you use for Wikipedia? Can you use images marked for "editorial use only"? Ontofilm (talk) 00:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ontofilm, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, i take it that you are one and the same person as the IP? Please indicate otherwise if I’m wrong, could you explain your question better? I’m having a hard time comprehending your question, what article do you have in mind? However I’d reply you from what I think you make reference to, images you add to articles should typically be yours and if not should meet a fair use rationale. Furthermore you mention adding links to a “page” i take it you mean adding sources? No? if yes, please see WP:REFB and WP:CITE. Celestina007 (talk) 00:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Ontofilm: Welcome to the Teahouse. There are some groups of images that are allowed on Wikipedia (there's more info at Image use policy):

• Copyright-waived images: If the image's copyright has been waived by its holder (easiest would be if you created the image yourself), then it can be added to Wikipedia. If you're not the holder, they must fill out a form that can be found at Donating copyrighted materials.
• Public domain images: The image is proven to be in the public domain, which follows US law.
• Fair use: The image satisfies all 10 fair use criteria.
• Free licence images: Images are also released for commercial use. This is a little tricky to navigate as some licenses are okay while others aren't (CC-BY-SA (ok) versus CC-BY-SA-NC (not ok), for example).

To your second question, the answer is almost certainly going to be "no", as its use appears to be restricted beyond Wikipedia's goal of reproducing "free" content. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:41, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

You may use images that either are in the public domain (as this is not popularly but legally understood) or that have been explicitly released under one or other of a very restricted selection of copyleft licenses. (In very strictly defined circumstances you may also claim "fair use" for other kinds of image, but let's not get into this now.) No, you may not use images marked "editorial use only". -- Hoary (talk) 01:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Would it be possible to display a "updated (number of days) ago" with a userscript like it is on mobile Wikipedia?

If I look at Example on Wikipedia Mobile, it shows that the most recent edit was 112 days ago. How could I replicate this with a user script? I looked at the Wikipedia API and I was stumped. -1ctinus📝🗨 01:28, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

1ctinus:

document.getElementById('footer-info-lastmod').innerHTML.replace( /This page was last edited on ([^,]*).*/, "$1")

returns "22 March 2021". If you convert that to a timestamp and subtract it from a current timestamp, you could calculate the number of days and insert it with

document.getElementById('footer-info-lastmod').innerHTML = 'etc days ago'

. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:38, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

1ctinus, if you'd rather use the API you're looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&titles=Example&prop=revisions&rvprop=timestamp. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 02:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@1ctinus The XTools gadget shows the time of the last edit, with a link to the diff, at the top of the page. ―Qwerfjkltalk 06:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Alexis Jazz @Qwerfjkl Here is what I ended up doing:

if ($("#ca-edit").length > 0){
$("#ca-edit").children(1).text(Math.floor((new Date() - new Date($("#footer-info-lastmod").html().split("on ")[1].split(", at")[0])) / 86400000) + " Days ago")
}

There is a flash of it just saying "edit" like it normally does, but I don't think you can fix that with the nature of userscripts. There is also a chance that I did not implement it properly because I put the JS here. -1ctinus📝🗨 13:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

My Post Wont Save

I was trying to make a post but it keeps saying "Saving Post Failed" and I can't figure out why. Here is the link to where I was trying to post it https://creatures-of-sonaria-official.fandom.com/f I have no idea if I did this right but here it goes XD Welp when I went to preview it said that the page doesnt exist so I;ll just say what it was: It was the discuss page in the Creatures of Sonaria wiki

https:// creatures-of-sonaria-official.fandom .com/f

Theres not supposed to be spaces but I was hoping that it would actually appear if I added spaces Oop forgot to log in before putting this but my user is xxhsstar and I was logged in well trying to do the post 2001:569:BD34:E000:F84D:359:F569:C5BF (talk) 03:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

The Teahouse is only for questions about the English Wikipedia. Hopefully the Creatures of Sonaria wiki has a similar help page where you can ask this question. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 03:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Revision history

Is there a way to have the revision history of a page show 500 edits by default? Is there any way to change it?Sizzlemydizzle (talk) 04:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Jivanpran Abajibapashri

FYI

 – Title added by Qwerfjkl (talk) 06:44, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Please help to Re-edit my Draft:Jivanpran Abajibapashri  Sahaj01 (talk) 05:50, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Sahaj01, Clearfrienda has rejected Draft:Jivanpran Abajibapashri. Re-editing it is not going to work. Please forget about this draft. -- Hoary (talk) 07:03, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Page Removal

I have been asked to have the following article removed completely:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Joan_S._Picart

Dr. Caroline Picart doesn't want her information on Wikipedia. How can this be accomplished?

I am extremely unfamiliar with the workings of Wikipedia and hope this is the right place to ask.

Thank you in advance. Klborschel (talk) 06:27, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Klborschel. Caroline Joan S. Picart is an academic who has written about 16 books, each an invitation to comment on her work. She also had a radio show.. Why do you think that an encyclopedia article about her should be deleted? Hasn't she put herself forward as a public figure? Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:33, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Klborschel: She doesn't get a say in the matter. Even if it were deleted, someone else would notice she doesn't have an article and create it again. Now, if there are inaccuracies in the article, we can certainly address those, but asking for it to be deleted wholesale is a nonstarter. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 06:36, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

An article can't be removed simply because the biographee wants it removed. However, a biographee may reasonably object to it in whole or in part. If Dr Picart does object, she should look at the information at the top of this "help" page. -- Hoary (talk) 06:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Publishing a new article in Wikipedia

Hi, I just drafted an article in the sandbox User:SafetySpeak!/sandbox What is the next step to publish it as an article in Wikipedia? SafetySpeak! (talk) 07:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

SafetySpeak! Hello and welcome. I have added the appropriate information to your draft to allow you to submit it for review. I did notice that one of your sources is Wikipedia itself, that is not permitted as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. You could use wherever that Wikipedia article gets its information as a source, but not the article itself.

From the text I gather that you have some sort of association with the topic; if so, please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 08:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your inputs, 331dot. I have changed the Wikipedia source to a more appropriate and reliable source. I am associated with the topic, but not paid. I checked the link but couldn't understand how to declare. I believe I have to copy and paste the "connected contributor" in the article somewhere. Is that correct? Kindly help.

SafetySpeak! There are formal ways to declare, but if you simply write a statement describing the nature of your COI on your user page(User:SafetySpeak!) that will be sufficient. Note that you don't have to be specifically paid to edit to be a paid editor. If you are an employee, that counts. 331dot (talk) 09:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again {u|331dot}}. I have added a statement on my user page.SafetySpeak! (talk) 09:23, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft deleted for copyright infringement. Information must be in your own words, not taken from any published source. David notMD (talk) 13:11, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Looking for cat lovers helping us in writing an article

Dear Wiki-writer Community,

Are you a big cat lover and maybe want to help us write an article about the first pan-European Cat Sitting Community?

We are Catinaflat.com, a UK-born start-up of two self-made female entrepreneurs. We exist in 8 countries and 3 languages across Europe now. We are happy to provide your with any information material or a first draft or any background information.

It would be great if we find some help here or if one of you could point us into the "write" direction =^.^=

Thanks,

Kathrin and Julie

And here are some of our publications over the last few years

UK

• https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/11/03/cat-in-a-flat-cat-sitting-service_n_8459862.html
• https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-46600135
• https://metro.co.uk/2018/11/27/how-to-protect-your-christmas-tree-from-your-cat-8181784/
• https://www.cityam.com/kitty-kitty-entrepreneurs-turning-cat-loving-into-business/
• https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/consumer-affairs/forget-working-can-make-money-looking-dogs-cats/
• https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-4253588/Would-use-Cat-Flat-AirBnB-pets.html#ixzz4nUDBTAz9
• https://londoncheapo.com/lifestyle/cat-in-a-flat-cat-sitting-london/
• https://katzenworld.co.uk/2016/11/01/cattalks-with-cat-in-a-flat-international-cat-care/
• https://www.savethestudent.org/make-money/how-to-make-money-pet-sitting.html
• https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/travel/2019/02/tech-traveller-animal-travels
• https://www.lovemoney.com/guides/80722/cat-sitting-how-safe-is-it-how-much-does-it-cost-and-how-much-can-you-earn-tax
• https://www.lovemoney.com/guides/80722/cat-sitting-how-safe-is-it-how-much-does-it-cost-and-how-much-can-you-earn-tax
• https://www.her-career.com/kathrin-burkhardt/
• https://uk.godaddy.com/blog/celebrating-international-womens-day-spotlight-cat-in-a-flat/
• https://www.startupvalley.news/de/cat-in-a-flat-katzenbesitzer-katzen/
• https://ukinvestormagazine.co.uk/cat-in-a-flat-begins-crowdfunding-campaign-on-crowdcube/
• https://www.companybug.com/success-story-making-a-niche-business-a-success/
• https://sifted.eu/articles/cat-tech-vc-opportunity/
• https://www.mybaba.com/axel-scheffler-interview/
• https://www.discoveranimals.co.uk/news/axel-scheffler-friends-2020-calendar-competition-interview/
• https://www.femalefirst.co.uk/features/axel-schefflers-new-project-cat-in-a-flat-helps-raise-money-for-endangered-cats-1220116.html
• https://fundraising.co.uk/2020/01/13/from-swimwear-to-gin-7-products-raising-funds-for-good-causes/

Germany

• https://t3n.de/news/gruenderinnen-startups-853862/
• https://mitvergnuegen.com/2018/mit-cat-in-a-flat-finden-katzenbesitzer-den-passenden-sitter-fuer-die-urlaubszeit/
• https://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/katzen-und-menschen-die-lust-an-der-unterwerfung/24527066.html
• https://365bristol.com/story/2017/10/19/cat-in-a-flat-bristol-become-or-find-a-trusted-cat-sitter-in-your-area/5752/
• https://www.kostenlos.de/cat-in-a-flat-geschenk

Recent Awards

• https://www.thedrum.com/news/2016/09/15/national-trust-and-zone-two-the-big-winners-bima-awards-2016
• https://sifted.eu/articles/unleashed-accelerator-assessment/
• https://beststartup.co.uk/londons-best-local-companies-to-work-for-and-buy-from/ 91.64.148.28 (talk) 10:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I do not speak English well enough to start a new article, but I want to say this is the most respectful to Wikipedia rules and best prepared move I've ever seen from any business to get an article about them started. --CiaPan (talk) 11:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Enough proof to correct an article?

It says on the Heineken page that Gerard Adriaan Heineken convinced his wealthy mother to buy De Hooiberg brewery in Amsterdam. However in a letter that has surfaced in the Amsterdam archives, it is clear that he does not ask his mother for funding. Is this proof enough to correct this reference?

Letter: https://www.amsterdam.nl/stadsarchief/stukken/werk/heineken/

Story: https://www.theheinekencompany.com/translated-letter-ga-heineken

Translation: https://www.theheinekencompany.com/translated-letter-ga-heineken Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 10:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Occasionalpedestrian: Of course the available documents need to be presented with proper references, preferably to secondary sources. However, if the story is well known so that it became a part of a popular history, it should be mentioned in the article, too, especially if it's well sourced (I didn't check that). --CiaPan (talk) 11:12, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

What about the things he wrote in the other letter? - X201 (talk) 11:14, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@CiaPan: @X201: Is there another letter? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Occasionalpedestrian (talk • contribs) 11:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't know. I was just making the point that this is only one letter. It can sit alongside the existing info, but it doesn't override it. - X201 (talk) 13:13, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

My own page

Please can I get my own page? Devikapil (talk) 12:46, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Devikapil: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're considered notable by Wikipedia's standards, perhaps someone will create an article on you. It's strongly recommended that you don't write about yourself. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:38, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

You can, however, create a userpage. ―Qwerfjkltalk 15:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Critic's/Editor's/Journalist's Reviews

Are critic's reviews or editor's / journalist's reviews from any newspaper included in wikipedia articles of personalities? ManaliJain (talk) 13:05, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: It's hard to generalize, as not all reviews will be from reliable sources. But overall, yes, reviews from professional journalistic critics are often good sources to add to articles. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Watchlist for specific topics / categories

Hello friends! Is it possible to customize watchlist or add a script on a user page to see recent edits in specific categories? The Projects only provide lists of pages that require attention (AfD, AfC, and so on) and I don't see such a feature on Watchlist settings. Great thanks in advance! Myuno (talk) 13:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Myuno: Go to the category page, then click on "related changes" in the left sidebar. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:49, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Can I use this site?

I found a site (this one) which contains the notice of the administrative accounts of Île-de-France of 2017. But the site provides a link to 'download' the notice, not to 'show it directly' on the site. Due to safety concerns, I prefer not to cite the downloaded file in my draft but the site which is providing the notice. Is it ok? Excellenc1📞 15:08, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Citing information from downloaded sources can be a little tricky. If the site itself is trustworthy, it shouldn't be an issue to use as the URL the direct link that triggers the download. Otherwise, you can link to the page from which the download is available; just make sure it's clear from the title etc. in the reference which link to click so that others can find where you got the info. So long as you do that, the info is verifiable and acceptable to use. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Gallery section in a page

I'm not really sure if I can put a gallery section in the page 2021 Mala earthquake. I read the MOS:IMAGERELEVANCE but I'm still unsure. I want to put the File:Jorge Chavez Airport - 2021 Mala earthquake.png file but when I try to put it in a section the image appears in the References section. Can someone fix it, or tell me if It is appropiate to put the image in a gallery section?. Atomi20 (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Atomi20, I think it would best fit directly after the "Damage" section heading. Galleries are normally used for multiple images. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:30, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dodger67: Thanks. Do you think that the image now looks in a good position? Atomi20 (talk) 15:35, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Atomi20, I fixed it with this edit. You had it right at the top of the page. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:51, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dodger67: Now is at the references section... Atomi20 (talk) 17:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

too precise

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I have received notifications about previous edits being too precise. I thought being precise and accuate was important in Wikipedia. One of the edits, while it may be precise, was actually reverted back to text which has an incorrect time length, if you read carefully. Does anyone have suggestions on what to do as I do not want to engage in edit warring? Thanks! 73.167.238.120 (talk) 15:48, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi IP, welcome to the teahouse, and thank you for asking for suggestions about your edits. If someone reverted your edits, discuss with them on the article talk page, or their talk page. I have looked through some of your edits and the reason that they are reverted is that you provided excessive detail. For example, Gene93k reverted this edit because a reader probably can make the assumption that the event of the article happened in less than a few hours, and providing a p.m. at the end will not be necessary. Please consider creating an account. Justiyaya 16:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Sources not mentioned at WP:ICTFSOURCES anywhere

If there is any source / website having information but is not mentioned at WP:ICTFSOURCES, neither in reliable category nor in the non-reliable category. Then can editors use those left out sources in articles? Eg.: Lehren, 5 Dariya News, etc. ManaliJain (talk) 15:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@ManaliJain: I think you should use your own judgement, I believe (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong) that the list lists examples of reliable sources, and not all reliable sources. I would look into WP:RS for determining if a source is reliable or not. So, yes there are reliable sources not covered by WP:ICTFSOURCES, and you can use sources left out that are reliable, and definitely not deprecated sources (basically sources that the community agrees on are bad and should not be used. If you add a deprecated source, it might result in an edit filter warning being triggered). Justiyaya 16:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How to request wikipedia's authorities / administrators ?

I want to have an article on Wikipedia about a personality, but I myself don't want to draft any article. How should or what should I do to request Wikipedia's authorities or any of the administrators to make them look into the requests for articles' topics? ManaliJain (talk) 16:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi ManaliJain, if you want to request an article, you might want to look at WP:RA. Please make sure that your article has atleast 2 reliable sources providing significant coverage to the topic (WP:GNG). Justiyaya 16:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Alright, thanks! ManaliJain (talk) 16:10, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How can I re-direct one page to another?

Hello there! I was wondering how I would be able to redirect one page to another page, specifically the Alien Enemies Act to the Alien and Sedition Act (the former is a part of the latter.) AurumIsGold (talk) 16:17, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi AurumIsGold, you can redirect a page by adding #REDIRECT [[target page name here]] to the article. In your specific situation, I don't think you should redirect the article to the other article without previous community consensus. Justiyaya 16:24, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How to move my draft page to live?

 Kwmsond (talk) 16:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Kwmsond, if you are referring to Draft:Mohammadpur Khala, Barabanki, Uttar Pradesh, you shouldn't move it in to mainspace because the article probably contains issues relating to the article's notability, tone and formatting. The article may be deleted due to these issues. I would personally recommend reading and going through Help:Introduction Justiyaya 16:38, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I need help to solve about COI about these lines. A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (July 2021) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)

A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject. It may require cleanup to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. Please discuss further on the talk page. (July 2021) (Learn how and when to remove this template message) . Why i am getting this ? how to solve? Navidulhuq (talk) 16:22, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Navidulhuq: Welcome to the teahouse. The template message is basically saying that the article might not be written in a neutral tone and that a contributor that written parts fo the article might be connected to the subject, in other words, they have a conflict of interest with the subject of the article. You can remove the template when the article has a neutral tone. Justiyaya 16:31, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Navidulhuq Contrary to what Justiyaya wrote, do not remove the COI tag from Rubana Huq, as you are the person who has recently been adding content to the article and are connected to the subject, i.e., her son. So, leave it. Ideally, in time, other editors will add (or subtract) content from the article, and one will decide that it valid to remove the tag. David notMD (talk) 17:02, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I block a user?

 Sparklestern (talk) 16:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Become an Admin. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:45, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

You can request administrator attention, but you should first try to resolve your conflict without administrator intervention. What is the user you want to be blocked? What did they do? Anton.bersh (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

How do I block a user? (2nd section)

I tried but it won't work… Sparklestern (talk) 16:47, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern: blocking users is a right reserved for the community-elected admins and in some (very rare) cases the Wikimedia Foundation. Out of curiosity: Who are you trying to block, and for what reason? Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:53, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

@Sparklestern and Victor Schmidt: This exact question was asked a few minutes ago. Let's try to contain this discussion in one place. Thank you! Anton.bersh (talk) 16:56, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

I have merged the two sections. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:58, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Los Angeles Lakers

Hello i am new and I want to know how to make a new page for the Lakers so like there 2020-21 season just ended and I want to know how to make there new page for the 2021-22 Los Angeles Lakers season. Poolison 2000 (talk) 16:54, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi User:Poolison 2000, great idea, I don't think the season meets the notability guideline (2 reliable sources that provide significant coverage) just yet, assuming that it does, you might want to read WP:1st, the help page basically guides you through creating your first article. Justiyaya 17:00, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Template:Section link: Undocumented behaviour

Hi,

I think there may be a minor bug in said template, in that multiple optional parameters work fine each by themselves but lead to unexpected results when combined. AFAI can tell, this is caused not by anything to do with wikitext syntax, but simply by there not being any Lua code to handle the corner case in question. What's the best venue to draw attention to something like this? The template's talk page, or someplace else?

Cheers,

- 89.183.221.153 (talk) 17:43, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

/* Birmingham Bombings 1974 */ details must be available. Birmingham had developed a sophisticated disaster programme when I was at Accident Hosp in 1969 studying OHNC. It had been lost by the time of the Birmingham, bombings.

The article on the Birmingham Accident Hospital, Birmingham bombings has an important omission that at 86, I can't fix.

I was at the accident hospital in 1969, when Birmingham City was working on a major incident plan that would coordinate the emergency services for such an emergency. The response at the Birmingham Bombings was completely uncoordinated.

Too often this kind of thing happens in local authorities for a variety of structural reasons. I was a councillor 2002-2010, on the executive 2006-08 and mayor of L B Hounslow Council 2008-9, we councillors were kept in the dark about major incident procedures, I had to dig hard to discover what we had. The one fire drill, that they had when I was present, was the worst I had ever seen with the chief officer not seeming to have any idea of what was required.

I couldn't figure out where to post this so that someone can research and make the article more complete.

Genevieve

G M Hibbs MPH PhD OHNC ... GHibbs (talk) 18:16, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

Added objective true information and it was rejected

Although my first edit to add a magazine to the Boomer (disambiguation) page may have used detail that seemed promotional (although it was not intended to be), I went back and simply added a listing that was not promotional. So why was it deleted again?

Another edit to Amherst, Virginia, was also informational and entirely accurate, not promotional, and was also deleted.

Please clarify. Annietinva (talk) 18:52, 13 July 2021 (UTC)

What's 4 tildes

Using 4 tildes

I don't know how I can use this . Im taking a look at preferences and  either I see at signing field. I am clicking at 4 tildes link but I don't still know how you use that tildes for signing. What is signing? I am newcomer and I guess set signing as Etiseeu

Hello, my name is Daniela and I was paid by Frederick Joseph to create his Wikipedia page, not knowing that creating it under his own account would be rejected. Would it be possible to create my own account and move the page there? FredTJoseph (talk) 19:07, 13 July 2021 (UTC)