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Woman of the day: a new one each day from our women's biographies

sv:Lilly Walleni

Lily Walleni

Doesn't seem to be a hugely remembered opera singer, but literally has an entire page of high-quality images on Commons, so she must have had some importance back in her day. Thought I'd mention her here in case anyone was interested. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 02:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

And if that's of interest, commons:Category:Glass_plate_negatives_in_the_Swedish_Performing_Arts_Agency offers many more suggestions. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 02:51, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden: This is just the kind of person I like to cover but apart from [1], [2] and the source given in the Swedish article, I'm afraid the sources I can find are pretty weak after searching under Lilly Walleni, Sanna Klara Vallentin/Wallentin and Lilli Wallentin-Strandberg. I might be able to put together a short article on the basis of these but I would welcome inputs from one of our search experts such as SusunW as there might well be more substantial coverage in newspapers, theatre programmes or obituaries. Let's see if anything turns up over the next few days.--Ipigott (talk) 08:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Ipigott Try Clara Wallenthin/Wallentin there are programs of the Boston Symphony in that name. Also found: [3],[4],[5],[6],[7][8],[9],[10],[11] Can't help you sort through the Swedish newspapers, but try this link SusunW (talk) 13:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

And while we're here, I obviously use newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com a lot, but there are also Wikipedia:Free English newspaper sources. Because I write a lot of foreign bios, I know lots of archives, but I wondered if we had a list of those too. We do: Wikipedia:List of online newspaper archives. SusunW (talk) 13:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I know the National Library of Norway, https://www.nb.no is excellent. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 15:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

• Adam Cuerden: I've put something together on Lilly Walleni if you feel like working on one of the images.--Ipigott (talk) 14:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• Any idea what her "Lippe awards" are? Maybe an honor from the Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe? pburka (talk) 16:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
• pburka, see reference 2, one is the de:Orden für Kunst und Wissenschaft (Lippe) of the Principality of Lippe, the other is a similar award from the Principality of Schaumburg-Lippe. TSventon (talk) 19:13, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

  I've restored two pictures of her (one up at FPC, other is great, except the dress she's wearing and the kneeling pose gives her a slight slug shape?) Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 14:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

April edithon on Women's/Gender studies

I wanted to give a huge shoutout and thanks to those who have been diligently working on this topic, as it is incredibly important to me that the pioneers who began documenting women's lives and pressing for them to be academic subjects are preserved. I know I said earlier that I hadn't spent much time creating US entries on the crowd sourced list, but I picked an Indian woman, who has worked in the US. That led me down a rabbit hole and I haven't finished her article because I ended up writing Coordinating Council for Women in History first. There are a whole slew of historians in the article who served as national president and would likely fall within this month's editathon, if anyone is interested. On another note, I have zero clue how to search for articles that have the name of the council or its predecessors Conference Group on Women's History or Coordinating Committee on Women in the Historical Profession. Perhaps someone like @Ser Amantio di Nicolao and TJMSmith: who have magic wands can check that? SusunW (talk) 22:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

This found a few CCfWiH hits, which I've linked. Quick pointer to Sasha Turner, an article with a notability tag which WiR might wish to demolish. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:33, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

And there seems to be a "Coordinating Committee on Women in the Historical Profession", which I presume is a different thing. this search ... in fact, I'm going to leave those two for you, @SusunW: --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, that was third in your list. Hadn't got that far. Anyway: still yours to link. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

And so ditto "Coordinating Committee on Women in the Historical Profession", yours. --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

• For Berenice Carroll: Berenice Carroll (CCWH), at PRIO, Purdue to honor Violet Haas Award winner Carroll (Purdue, 2009), Berenice A. Carroll Papers UNPROCESSED (U of Illinois), Women's, Gender, and Sexualities Studies Awards Celebration (Purdue, "Berenice A. Carroll Feminism, Peace, & Social Justice graduate and undergraduate awards"), “The Historian in a Time of Crisis”: A Memoir of Peace History (Peace & Change, "This is a memoir of the author's association with the Conference on Peace Research in History (CPRH)—now the Peace History Society"). Beccaynr (talk) 00:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Thanks Tagishsimon did those. (Scribbles name onto the list of magic wand holders). Yes, Beccaynr I don't think anyone will have any trouble finding sources to write those women up. My quick run-through was pretty conclusive that they are sufficiently notable. I'm going back to Nupur Chaudhuri, because she is who sent me on the path to begin with... SusunW (talk) 04:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks Beccaynr. I started a quick article on Dr. Carroll. TJMSmith (talk) 18:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  You rock, TJMSmith! Now if others will pick up some of those redlinks... SusunW (talk) 19:21, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  Hooray! Thank you, TJMSmith! Beccaynr (talk) 01:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• I'll take a run at Donna Boutelle (1931-2008) later today--she was based in Southern California, so I can think of her as a local. Penny Richards (talk) 19:26, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thank you Penny Richards! SusunW (talk) 20:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  I finally finished Nupur Chaudhuri. Maybe its just because I am an immigrant, but I am amazed at how many of these women who taught/created women's studies programs were emigrants/immigrants (or maybe I just gravitate towards transnational women and have a choosing bias in who I write about?) Even so, I was stunned and humbled by this Indian woman's involvement in creating the field of women's history and women's studies in the United States. She participated in the start of so many professional organizations it's mindboggling. SusunW (talk) 17:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• I'll try to get an article started for Catherine M. Prelinger today. Penny Richards (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks Penny! I continued through that rabbit warren Chaudhuri led me into and added the presidents of the National Women's Studies Association. I did not check all the names from the period when it was governed by a board, as the members were also students and staff, but they are listed as a means to link people who are notable. The first few actual presidents, I couldn't find much info on, but perhaps someone there can. SusunW (talk) 17:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

  Very cool. From that page, I picked up Shauna Adix, who has an article now. Penny Richards (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

  Yay Penny Richards, thank you! My suspicion is that a lot of them may be notable. They were, afterall, all involved in creating a new academic field. But, it would take a long time to research each name for notability. I am torn...write articles or create lists? Balance is hard! SusunW (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Miss Abbott's School Alumnae Association

While completing a Ph.D. at Brown University, Berenice A. Carroll received two Miss Abbott's School Alumnae Association fellowships. I've created the following Wikidata items: Miss Abbott's School (1860-1898) and the Miss Abbott's School Alumnae Association (1912-1930). It appears to be a girl's school in New England. It is possible that the school is notable. If not, it likely funded many WIR academics in the early 20th-century. TJMSmith (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I told y'all it was a rabbit hole. One thing leads to another. Thanks TJ. SusunW (talk) 21:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

"Miss Abbott's School" might be Abbot Academy? Penny Richards (talk) 21:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Nope. That's in Massachusetts. My very brief search in between working on Chaudhuri shows the proprietress was Josephine L. Abbott,p 191,[12] it was located at 280 Benefit Street in Providence, Rhode Island,p 64, Abby Aldrich Rockefeller went there,p 173 and in 1897 it was taken over by Irene Santewska. SusunW (talk) 22:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Two redlinked women writers

I've just done a lengthy bit of work to create Big Jubilee Read, copying from a list of 70 titles and manipulating the data, via an Excel spreadsheet and the very useful "Excel2Wiki" helper, and had fun sorting out all the disambiguations needed (people write novels with titles like "Salt" and "Chinaman").

Just two of the 70 authors are red links: both women. Are we surprised?

Anyway, someone might like to have a go at Jing-Jing Lee[13] [14][15][16] or Yangsze Choo[17][18][19]. I suggest that inclusion in this high-profile list is probably notability in itself, for at least either the writer or the book in each case. PamD 16:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Choo's first book is the basis of The Ghost Bride (TV series) (where I've now red-linked her) and reviewed here. PamD 17:01, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

This is greatPamD! I'll work on this draft Draft:Yangsze Choo, but it might take me a few days! Lajmmoore (talk) 06:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

User talk:Duaa Khidir

Hi there -- Could someone try to help this editor out; they've received a slew of speedies and draftifications; the latest two are about women: Draft:Haya Muhammad Saleh & Draft:Haifa Bitar. Thanks for any help you can offer! Espresso Addict (talk) 05:51, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Biographies of women neurosurgeons

I happened to find is reference while looking for something else. I think it might be useful here. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 07:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually the entire issue of the journal is about women neurosurgeons , not just the one article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 08:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

This is so cool Dodger67! Thanks for sharing, will try to do some editing based on it. @Dsp13: there's a whole article on African women in neuroscience! Lajmmoore (talk) 20:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much both of you! Lajmmoore I set about creating a stub for Faiza Lalam, before realizing you had got going on a draft already :) Dsp13 (talk) 22:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Moved to mainspace! Faiza Lalam but could probably do with more sources, if anyone fancies digging! Lajmmoore (talk) 07:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lajmmoore I'm particularly pleased to see that Karin Muraszko is one of the editorial team of the special edition. The article about her was the first BLP I wrote (it's probably overdue for an update!). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:09, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

I've added the African neurosurgeons mentioned to Wikidata, and here's a redlist page where they're now included: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Neurosurgeons Dsp13 (talk) 10:50, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

On recording gender

Noteworthy thread on Twitter from Merrilee Proffitt here, pointing to a 7 April 2022 Revised Report on Recording Gender in Personal Name Authority Records produced by an ad hoc task group of the Program for Cooperative Cataloging, which afaics is a significant thing in libraryland. tl;dr, their advice is: don't record gender in catalogues, remove gender from catalogues, fullstop, b/c causes harm. Some food for thought here. --Tagishsimon (talk) 10:35, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I think it's a similar discussion to one we've had before: assuming gender based on name is, frankly, dumb. Whether that's for sorting like a wikidata suggestion, or for actual published records that could go on to harm the persons in question. Kingsif (talk) 11:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

In my experience, gender tends to be inferred from the pronouns used in sources and/or from images of the subject; and from the (Women foo) categories in which articles are found. Not clear that your "assuming gender based on name" covers all, or indeed any significant part of, the grounds that might be discussed here. --Tagishsimon (talk) 11:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

The full report gives their rationale in more detail but mainly concerns the difficulty in cataloging bibliographic data without context. The harm they outline in the report is being outed or misidentified (whether that is by deadnaming or being misgendered). It's a complicated issue because gender is at the heart of identity and many people, be they women or LGBTTQIA community members, have fought long and hard to be recognized. Balancing the need to protect against the need to claim identity is no simple task and not one I think we can solve. I am reminded of the harm that the Ninety-Nines expressed when WP decided to eliminate the categorization of them as aviatrix/aviatrices. Their position was that they had to work harder to be recognized and lumping them in with pilots and aviators erased their identity and struggle, which they were proud of. Intent matters, we can only do our best to 1) be inclusive and 2) respect those we write about. SusunW (talk) 14:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Liang Boqi

I recently created a draft for Liang Boqi. She has an article in Chinese, but I don’t feel comfortable using a translator as I have no familiarity with the language. Does any one speak Chinese or have a basic understanding of the language? Thriley (talk) 20:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Intersectional environmentalism

This article has been brought to my attention by our new WiR member Digital_Lit_Anonymous as it has been AfD'd. See User talk:Digital Lit Anonymous who explains it has been created by a student interested in Leah Thomas. I'm rather confused about this as there have been many contributors to the article and the editor of Leah Thomas (ecofeminist) is the one who is calling for its deletion.--Ipigott (talk) 06:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

To offer a little clarity, I'm the one who created Leah Thomas (ecofeminist) and I'm not a student in that class. I encountered the page on the neologism "intersectional environmentalism" while patrolling new pages and found it in quite a bit of WP:SYNTH disarray and of dubious notability. Since it's WikiEd, I typically hesitate to nominate an article for deletion, but I was unable to find reliable sources that show that the topic itself is notable (or really that it's in any way different from mainstream conceptions of environmental justice). Combined with the issues with the present text (and other text available in the page history) being WP:OR/WP:SYNTH and being virtually unusable in a merge, I'd ordinarily WP:BLAR this sort of thing on my own. However, I fully expected that a WP:BLAR would be controversial and contested, so I opened an AfD in light of this RfC's guidance.

While looking through all of those sources on the topic of "intersectional environmentalism", I realized that the person who coined the neologism (Leah Thomas) was getting a good bit of coverage as a person so I looked a tad bit more for sources to confirm that she meets WP:NBASIC or WP:NAUTHOR. I started a biography for her when I was satisfied that she meets the relevant notability criteria. Her bio's currently a stub and it could definitely use expansion, but I think that it's a step in the right direction (in light of policies and guidelines) to cover the notable woman who coined the neologism even when the neologism itself is not notable. — Mhawk10 (talk) 16:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I do appreciate your consideration of my students - noting that it is indeed a WikiEd. I would like to note that once my students' work became problematic that I started collecting scholarly, peer reviewed academic research to help further support their work, which will demonstrate the opposite assertion - "intersectional environmentalism" is a notable neologism. I will be adding these references as time permits. In terms of how Leah Thomas meets the criteria of notable woman is a whole other controversial matter. Digital Lit Anonymous (talk) 17:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@IpigottThank you for bringing this to the WiR community, as my students and I are novices. I am a university Lecturer teaching at a land-grant, Hispanic-Serving Institution (HSI). My first-year students (class of 20 students), with guidance from our campus librarian and myself, just created the Wikipedia page for "intersectional environmentalism". WikiDan61^C shortly thereafter recommended the page be merged into environmental justice, which students argued would once more marginalize POC voices (i.e., Leah Thomas). After consulting with our campus librarian yesterday, we decided for now to move content to a biography page for Leah Thomas. There are decidedly thousands more Wikipedia pages that are less developed than the one my students began, so I am perplexed why their page received the attention it did so quickly and was recommended for merge and/or deletion. It was intended as a work-in-progress. 45.29.202.142 (talk) 16:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

The last contribution was mine

45.29.202.142 (talk) 16:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC) Digital Lit Anonymous (talk) 16:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Digital Lit Anonymous: Wikipedia mainspace is nto the ideal location for "works in progress"; that's what the draft article space is for. I was unaware that Leah Thomas was a person of color until just encountering that fact on this page; I certainly had no intent of marginalizing her voice when I proposed the merge of intersectional environmentalism into the environmental justice page. On the contrary, since the page was an orphan when I first encountered it, it was unlikely to receive much attention. The merge would have brought Thomas' ideas to the wider audience of the already established page. Wikipedia has too many article on these related topics as it is (see the "see also" section of environmental justice for a sampling of largely redundant content); more pages on essentially the same idea is not the way to amplify Thomas' message. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 17:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Digital Lit Anonymous: Before you begin to add to Leah Thomas (ecofeminist), I think you should look carefully at the advice given here and at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Intersectional environmentalism, especially that given by Mhawk10, the creator of the biography who questions the sources used. In this connection, please look carefully through our Primer for creating women's biographies. Together with your librarian, you could look for more authoritative sources as a means of improving Intersectional environmentalism itself.--Ipigott (talk) 10:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Good article nominees: Bolivia Carmichaels, Flawless Shade, Poison Waters

I've nominated Bolivia Carmichaels, Flawless Shade, and Poison Waters for Good article status, if any project members are interested in reviewing. Trying to work on improving coverage of PDX's LGBT culture and history. Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 18:52, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Another Believer! Very cool, and thanks for the notification. Not sure if you are aware of WikiProject Women in Green, which is dedicated to article improvement of women's representation in general, and to GA status in particular. Perhaps cross-post there? --Rosiestep (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, a wonderful suggestion, thank you! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:01, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Join Community Conversation to discuss Women & WMF Human Rights Policy

Dear Wonderful Wikimedians of Women in Red, the Global Advocacy team is inviting members of this group to participate in a series of conversations that will help us implement the Foundation Human Rights Policy.

We want to know how community members' human rights have been negatively impacted and how the Foundation can better support individuals and prevent such situations. Given the disproportionate harassment, violence and harms that Women face related to their Human Rights, we hope members of the community will join our calls and share their experiences.

You can join any of four regionally-focused conversations. Each call will be 60 minutes, on Zoom, with translation support. More information about how to join these calls, what we will do with the information collected, and the history of the human rights policy can be found here.

--FPutz (WMF) (talk) 21:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Made EASY: linking Wikipedia articles with Profiles from Women Film Pioneers Project

Help link Wikipedia articles with Profiles from Women Film Pioneers Project. See Talk:Women Film Pioneers Project, it should be much easier now. Point and Click. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:01, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

That's excellent, thank you. I've added a direct link column to WiR's Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by dictionary/Women Film Pioneers redlist, taking a lead from you. Wikidata has ~301 WFP ID entries ... that's maybe 10 or 20 short of the WFP list? --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

If we can get those that are black or from Africa, I'd love to add them to AfroCine MAC ToDo list page for 2022. HandsomeBoy (talk) 11:16, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Dutch woman at AfD

Hi. Please see this discussion. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Earth Day

WiR climate logo 2022

April 22 is Earth Day. I am taking the opportunity to remind WiR that our year-long initiative on Climate continues through 2022. Drop by the page to read some of the contributions. Please add an article or give suggestions for articles. If you have contributed, please drop a line here to report any tips or topics. (The topic of "Climate" is expansive. I had some fun writing about botanists.) Thank you! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:14, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Dede Robertson

Dede Robertson, the wife of televangist Pat Robertson, has died. I’m unsure how to describe her. Not sure if she qualifies as an activist and I don’t want to just to call her a homemaker. Thriley (talk) 07:13, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

AfD for "Women in the Montana government"

Please see this discussion. Cielquiparle (talk) 16:17, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

UPDATE: Thanks to @Ipigott for joining in the AfD discussion. The AfD discussion has now been re-listed, so it would be great if we could get a few more people to weigh in. (I have no prior experience with this process so am still learning how it all works.) It seems the main argument now is that an article such as "Women in the Montana state government" should not exist as a standalone, on the basis that all the information already exists in individual biography pages, which seems wrong to me. Cielquiparle (talk) 09:12, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Featured picture report

Been a bit since I did one of these. As always, this is not a voting guide. If this ever turns into WP:CANVASSING, it'll need to stop.

We'll start with the FP promotions for March and April related to women.

• 
  Sojourner Truth
• 
  Victoria Woodhull
• 
  Yawning infant
• 
  Lucia Chamberlain

I believe only Chamberlain counts as a Woman in Red from that list.

And now, the ones currently up for voting, all of whom are Women in red

• 
  Dorothy Houston Jacobson
• 
  Lilly Walleni
• 
  Magna Lykseth

I'm rather disappointed to note that the only one I didn't personally nominate (besides a failed nomination of Emmy Noether) is the yawning infant. Mind, FPC is very much in a slow period just now. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 16:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Is the infant relevant because they are female or because it’s related to motherhood? Dronebogus (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

She's a female infant. I wasn't sure if I should include her, but, well... Seems better to be over-inclusive than under-, and, well, since I was worried about the paucity of women being nominated by people other than me, it seemed wrong to not mention a, well, not woman, but baby girl that was nominated and passed. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 19:07, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Redirects

Although Rose and Ottilie Sutro has been around for 14 years, there were no redirects from the individual names and an editor has just wasted some time working on Ottilie before finding this one. I've now added the Rose Sutro redirect. So please, please, remember that if an article covers two people they should each have one or more redirects from their own name(s), to help both readers and editors! PamD 13:43, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

This also shows that it is a good idea to search Wikipedia for the subject of your article before starting writing, but that probably is not news to WIR project members. TSventon (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

For less experienced editors, however often we warn them to be careful, a name on one of our redlists is often the basis for writing an article. As in this case, they often succeed in creating a biography in article space before they discover the person in question is covered elsewhere. The same is true when a new biography is created with a slightly different name (e.g. with or without initials). As Wikidata frequently lists names which do not coincide with the EN Wikipedia, they appear on our redlists. I don't think there is any easy way to overcome these problems but I must say PamD's redirects, inclusion of name variants, listings under family names, etc., are all extremely useful. Google is often better than Wikipedia itself at turning up related Wikipedia articles, not only in English but in other language versions.--Ipigott (talk) 07:53, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Barbara Noske proposed for deletion

The article for Barbara Noske a Dutch cultural anthropogist who introduced the concept of the Animal–industrial complex has been proposed for deletion. She appears to meet notabilty as an author. Thriley (talk) 06:36, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

I've added some sources and removed the proposed deletion tag as I think it would at least require an AfD with the new sources. More could still be done though. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:23, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! Thriley (talk) 16:49, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks also from me — this now demonstrates WP:AUTHOR notability for me, whereas previously it hinted at it but didn't actually make the case in the article. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:08, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I like the approach Silver seren took of combining multiple book reviews into a single reference. I may start copying that elsewhere. pburka (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I completely agree with the kudos for combining multiple book reviews. The syntax cuts down on awkward phrasing in the text, while making it clear how notability is met. I have copied that into my own code stash. Thanks Silver seren. DaffodilOcean (talk) 20:50, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

I copied it from someone else originally (though I can't remember who it was at this point). It's especially useful for the books that get a LOT of reviews, like 10+. Because the article looks a bit ugly if you have just a long string of reference numbers in there. I hope you all find it useful. Silverseren^C 22:52, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Could have been from me. It's a style I've been using for a while. The bullets make it easier for readers to see that there are multiple reviews, making notability more apparent, and as SS says it's also helpful to reduce the number of footnote markers in the main text. —David Eppstein (talk) 01:12, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

If it was, thanks for introducing it to me! I've improved many an article with the format. Sometimes too successfully. Just look at the reference list for John Fraser Hart. Silverseren^C 01:53, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Actresses from the Swedish Performing Arts Agency archives

So, I'm starting to go through commons:Category:Glass plate negatives in the Swedish Performing Arts Agency. Here's the results; hopefully some of it's suitable for the Women in Red project. I'll try to get through the whole list in a few days, although there's an intimidatingly large number of A's.

Actress	My opinion of the best photos
Agda Helin
Agnes Mowinckel
Agnes Spångberg	(all are good, though)
Agnes Symra-Christensen
Aino Ackté	, though all are good
Alfhild André
Alma Anderström
Alma Bodén
Amanda Personne
Andrejeva von Skilondz
Ann-Marie Rönngren
Anna Tropp	or if you want/don't mind Oscar Tropp as well.
Anna Arehn
Anna Bartels/Anna Fernqvist
Anna Gräber
Anna Grünberg/Anna Oldenburg
Anna Hofman-Uddgren	(though a less dramatic dance is also available.)
Anna Lagergren	Arguable, but I'm thinking or
Anna Lundberg	Unsure, maybe
Anna Norrie
Anna Oscàr

That's just the first 200 (of about 3,500). Might need to move this to a subpage. It's getting a little long. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 12:02, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Portuguese pianist Helena Sá e Costa

I deprodded Helena Sá e Costa recently as she appears to have been a notable 20th-century pianist in Portugal, but the page could use some attention. I usually focus on writers, so if anyone with an interest in music or Portugal wants to have a go at it that would be awesome. Also, there are some photos of her from the 1950s which are probably in the public domain in Portugal, but maybe not the United States. pburka (talk) 14:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Ideas for May – feedback and help requested

I just realised that April is almost over and we haven't decided on topics for May. Please head over and contribute to the discussion on our Ideas page. I'm happy to get to work on some of the pages and invitation when we know what we are doing.--Oronsay (talk) 20:15, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

The pages, templates and invitation have all been created, but Women in the Ancient World and its template still need to be proofread by another pair of eyes. Then we will be ready for the month of May.--Oronsay (talk) 23:02, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikidata problems with Swedish opera singers and dancers

Thanks to the enthusiasm of Adam Cuerden for image enhancement, I have recently been developing articles on several Swedish opera singers who have articles in Swedish and/or images on Commons. Surprisingly, I was unable to find many of the most important ones on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Actresses - Sweden or even on Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by nationality/Sweden, both of which have recently been updated. As a result, I have had to develop my own List of Images of female singers and dancers at the Royal Swedish Opera on the basis of Commons category Black and white photographs of performers at Kungliga operan. All the names on my list seem to be on Wikidata but many do not appear in our redlists. This may well explain why we haven't developed their EN biographies until now. Can anyone help? (Examples include Anna Bartels (Q26240336), Liva Järnefelt (Q4957657), Otti Pegel (Q110916484) and Paula Maria Lizell (Q4963255).)--Ipigott (talk) 11:21, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

Great to listen this. For mine, The main problem is that I rarely found the English language sources as I didn't have any software to translate that into English Language. Thank you! Fade258 (talk) 11:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ipigott: I made this based on the actresses list in case it will be of any use: Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Missing articles by occupation/Singers - Sweden. Gamaliel (talk) 16:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

That's wonderful, Gamaliel. I see that those who were missing in the other lists are now included. Would it be possible to add a column on Sitelinks?--Ipigott (talk) 18:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ipigott: There should be one on the far right. I removed some of the middle columns to make it more visible. Gamaliel (talk) 19:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

@ @Ipigott:, thank you for this. You might share your list with WP:WikiProject Opera as well, of which I am an active member. In looking at your list, Anna Oscàr is the married name of Anna Thulin, so you have two entries for the same woman. I am not sure which name should be the primary; but one of them should redirect to the other. Perhaps you can do some digging and make a decision on that front. Best.4meter4 (talk) 11:03, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ipigott:, see above post. @4meter4:, there was some confusion, Anna Dorothea Oscàr (Q4971398), Anna Oscàr, was an opera singer born in 1875, now merged with duplicate Anna Dorothea Oscàr (Q42173760). There is also Anna Thulin (Q28357357), sv:Anna Thulin, who was an illustrator born in 1904, I have removed her wikidata image dated 1896. TSventon (talk) 11:44, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

@TSventon Thank you for sorting this out. Shouldn't this image, File:Anna Thulin, rollporträtt - SMV - H3 207.tif, be added to Anna Dorothea Oscàr (Q4971398)?4meter4 (talk) 20:39, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ipigott and TSventon. I went ahead and redirected Anna Thulin to Anna Oscàr; as she used that name during the first third of her career and it is a reasonable search target. If or when an article is created on the artist of that name; the redirect can always be written over and a hat note put in to direct to the opera singer article. Interestingly, Anna Oscàr was only known by that name during the last third of her career as the middle part of her career she performed using the name Anna Hellström‎ (which I have also created a redirect for) from her first marriage. Less than half of her career was spent using the name Anna Oscàr.4meter4 (talk) 21:20, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

4meter4, the image could be added, possibly in exchange for the group image. There are 18 images in commons:Category:Anna Oscàr, which is probably too many for a Wikidata page. TSventon (talk) 02:10, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

• Thank you, 4meter4, for making these useful redirects. If anyone is interested, I now intend to cover Liva Järnefelt and Paula Lizell. I have also discovered this interesting source which provides details of many more Swedish opera singers and ballet dancers. If time permits, I'll look at them more closely.--Ipigott (talk) 06:24, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Kat Rosenfield

Last year I created a stub article for author Kat Rosenfield. A editor is claiming she is not notable on the talk page. From what I see, she has had coverage of her books for the past ten years, including write ups in notable reviews. Don’t these establish her notability? Thriley (talk) 18:47, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

You can point them at WP:NAUTHOR#3. From a brief glance, it looks like she "has created...a significant or well-known work or collective body of work" and those works "have been the primary subject...of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews." pburka (talk) 18:51, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the sourcing, I see that there's only one review for her first book, the other sources are Publisher's Weekly, which is basically press releases, and a reprint of the Connecticut magazine review. For the second book the Wired interview isn't a great source, and the other three aren't reviews, and only mention her in passing. The review for the third book looks good, and the fourth book has one blog review, which doesn't help, and another good review. It's not great, but I wouldn't AfD it. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:54, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both. Two of her books have reviews from Kirkus Reviews. Is that a reliable/notable enough source? Thriley (talk) 18:58, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes to Kirkus in general. See Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources: "Most content by Kirkus Reviews is considered to be generally reliable. Kirkus Indie is a pay for review program for independent authors, its content is considered to be questionable and to not count towards notability, in part because the author can choose whether or not the review is published. " Edwardx (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Yeah, that and the Connecticut magazine source look good. Here's more: full review, blurb, full review, not sure on source, full review, full review, and another full review. I think there's more than enough for notability. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:14, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Publishers Weekly is a reputable reviewer. There are also two reviews at Library Journal and two more at School Library Journal. pburka (talk) 19:33, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Agree re: Publishers Weekly. For many book publishers, it has traditionally been the holy grail to get them to even acknowledge your book. Cielquiparle (talk) 21:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Not sure where I got my mistaken impression. Thanks for the info. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

If you are uncertain about any source, first check Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. If there is nothing there, then then you can search the 100s of pages of archives at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard. Looking there for "Publishers Weekly" brings up 14 results. Broadly speaking, one should give greater weight to more recent discussions, or those that give a more detailed discussion of the source. Edwardx (talk) 10:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources

Main page: User:Headbomb/unreliable

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

More revenge fantasies against banned editors and damage to articles on women being done

Tamingimpala was just banned today for being a sockpuppet of an older account. Per usual, some people are going through and tagging every article they've ever made for deletion in order to make Wikipedia worse than it was yesterday. The editor was an active member of WiR and made a decent number of articles about women that are in the process of being deleted as quickly as possible. You can see a list of the person's article contributions on this old version of their userpage and which articles have already been deleted in the past 24 hours (more than half, it looks like). At least they aren't blatant enough to try to go after the DYKs, but that may be only a matter of time. If you want to try and save and/or resurrect the, likely all perfectly good and notable content, articles, there's the list to go by. Have fun. I don't have the time or energy these days to try and combat these anti-Wikipedia people and their frothing vendetta of punishing banned accounts. Silverseren^C 06:03, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

I also inquired about this and received a mostly favorable hearing (diff). Per my broader absence I don’t really have the bandwidth to go through these myself at present, but anyone available and motivated should not feel too intimidated about the probable response to a request to restore WiR-related content, I think. Innisfree987 (talk) 06:25, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

And anyone can also check the individual articles that have been deleted through the Wayback Machine if you want to know what was there. For example, here's Margareta Berger, a Swedish journalist who died 35 years ago. Seems like a perfectly normal article to me with sources to national biographies. Silverseren^C 06:43, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

May Women in Red events

Women in Red May 2022, Vol 8, Issue 5, Nos 214, 217, 227, 229, 230 Online events: New: Women in the Ancient World | British Overseas Territories Contest (Apr/May/Jun): Translation contest (second month) Continuing: Climate (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman See also: Wikimedia District of Columbia: 100 DC Women contest The Wikipedia Library: #1Lib1Ref Other ways to participate: Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

--Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:51, 30 April 2022 (UTC) via MassMessaging

• @Megalibrarygirl: I don't seem to have had a user talk page message about this, this month? Have I fallen off a list, or did it not get sent out, I wonder? PamD 07:20, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
  • For what it's worth @Megalibrarygirl and PamD: I didn't get a notice on my page either. SusunW (talk) 18:38, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
    • Maybe the delivery bot hasn't finished running? Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 19:07, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
      • @Megalibrarygirl, PamD, and SusunW:: I also did not receive a notice - just another data point for consideration. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
        • Looks like it wasn't sent out to the last batch, Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red/Outreach/O-Z. DanCherek (talk) 20:51, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

          I'm really sorry, PamD, SusunW! I don't know what happened, because I thought I had sent it out to the last batch! Sorry this took so long to reply to. Real life keeps kicking my butt. :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

• @Megalibrarygirl: No problem, I only mentioned it in case there was a wider issue to fix. I created a couple of stubs on 1 May as usual - I wonder whether my Barum woman will be our most ancient? PamD 07:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

It is Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, but that's America. We should do an Asian event soon, though. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.7% of all FPs} 15:26, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Ady Fidelin, model and muse

The New York Times recently published an obituary for Ady Fidelin: [20] She was part of the French avant-garde art scene in the 1930s and 40s and the subject of hundreds of photographs by Man Ray and at least one work by Picasso. Thriley (talk) 16:36, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

See Adrienne Fidelin in French--Ipigott (talk) 16:40, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! I should have checked.. Thriley (talk) 16:46, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Agnes Janson image

I'm writing about the Swedish opera singer Agnes Janson and have found a suitable image in the journal Idun here. Is anyone able to extract the image and add it to Commons? Perhaps Adam Cuerden?--Ipigott (talk) 11:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Can you read the text in the lower left of the image? Fors____? It's important to work out credit. Adam Cuerden ^(talk)_{Has about 7.8% of all FPs} 15:12, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Adam Cuerden, it could be Forssell, but sv:Christian Forssell died in 1852, so perhaps sv:Gabriel Forssell. TSventon (talk) 15:45, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Better, sv:Gunnar Forssell (konstnär) did work for Idun, see commons:File:Alice_Bonthron_Idun_1891,_nr_18.jpg. TSventon (talk) 16:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Looks like Forssell to me. Compare with this one which reads G. Forssell.--Ipigott (talk) 19:25, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Ipigott, Hi all, Can you help me for tagging the correct liscense regarding this image Agnes Janson? Fade258 (talk) 02:41, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Fade258: Looks to me as if the nearest thing to an author is Draycott rather than the signature dealer Tamino. Don't know if it's a good idea to use an image with the Tamino label on it. I've added a category.--Ipigott (talk) 07:44, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ipigott:, Thank you for your response and I have an one image same to this but on that image water mark of Taminoautographs is omit. Can I upload that watermark free image with this same liscense tag? Fade258 (talk) 08:04, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Fade258: Yes, please go ahead.--Ipigott (talk) 08:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@Ipigott:, Ok, Thanks for your cooperation. Please look on that image I have uploaded an image to that existing page. Have a look and if any mistake occurs then tell me. Fade258 (talk) 08:27, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

@Fade258:, the photographer seems to be John Arthur Draycott, see Commons:File:Portrait, Blanche Thompson, c. 1890 Wellcome L0037363.jpg. TSventon (talk) 09:08, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

If folks could keep an eye on ...

Talk:Rohese Giffard, where one of our few Middle Ages bios of a woman is being .. discussed. Ealdgyth (talk) 11:51, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Francisca Wieser

I have been working on this draft about Francisca Wieser, she was a noted scientific illustrator. Before this draft moves to the main space it is missing a few more sentences and RS citations elaborating on her career. For whatever reason I am struggling with completing this one, I hit a writing block. If anyone has any interest in helping out so eventually it can be moved, please feel free. Thanks, PigeonChickenFish (talk) 06:00, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Ellen Wetherald Ahrens

DC Women

Question for the hive mind:
Which is the better death date for Ellen Wetherald Ahrens, 1935 or 1938?

• 1935 is stated in Oxford Art Online and the Philadelphia Museum of Art
• 1938 is stated in Invaluable, askArt and the Nasher Museum.
• (ArtNet states 1953, but that is mostly likely a typo)

My inclination is to use 1935. Any learned opinions welcome. Thanks. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 22:54, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

• 1939 :) - in Radiance and Symbolism in Modern Stained Glass: European and American Innovations and Aesthetic Interrelations in Material Culture p.224 - Liana De Girolami Cheney, Cambridge Scholars Publishing, 8 Feb 2016 "Ellen Wetherald Ahrens (1854-1939)"
• 1936 :))) - in The Thomas Eakins Collection p.99 - Theodor Siegl, Philadelphia Museum of Art, 1978 "Ellen Wetherald Ahrens (1859-1936)"
• 1938 - in Students of Howard Pyle Files p.2 - Helen Farr Sloan Library & Archives, Delaware Art Museum "Ahrens, Ellen Wetherald, 1859-1938" --Tagishsimon (talk) 23:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

She clearly learned the art of resurrection and the people were forced to return her to the grave repeatedly to prevent the undead apocalypse. Silverseren^C 23:18, 5 May 2022 (UTC)

Wow, she really faded into obscurity. Any suggestions on how to note all the different dates welcome. Thanks! WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:01, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

There are some thoughts at MOS:APPROXDATE - "Other forms of uncertainty should be expressed in words, either in article text or in a footnote". Perhaps (c.1859 - c.1938) and a footnote listing the various claims? --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:07, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks Tagishsimon! I think I got it. Ellen Wetherald Ahrens Feel free to improve the way I handled the death date Best, WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 20:27, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

1937. First-class diplomacy skills, WAU :) --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:31, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Tagishsimon well, after all that brain power and research Gamaliel found the death certificate and she died on October 31, 1935. BTW check out Wikipedia:100 DC Women. There are some interesting new articles being submitted. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 16:57, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hadley Rille Books

Can anyone locate sources for Hadley Rille Books, a small press publisher of fantasy, sf & historical fiction which explicitly attempts to promote strong female characters? I deprodded it but have failed to find much in the way of reliable significant coverage of the press to contribute to the AfD. (There are reviews of their books but I've not had much luck in persuading AfD commenters that they contribute towards the notability of a small press.) Unfortunately the article has had multiple contributions from editors with probable COI. Thanks, Espresso Addict (talk) 01:40, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of women innovators and inventors by country

This deserves serious consideration. It is one of the many lists I have created to show the place of women in various fields, compiled in part on the basis of successful additions to Wikipedia following our WiR editathons. If this one is deleted, many more could go the same way. The argument that it does no more than the relevant categories is misleading: it makes it easier for users to see how women have played an important part in an area which is traditionally associated with men. The list could of course be expanded on the basis of recent results.--Ipigott (talk) 05:39, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

I've started expanding the list by including more women who have been noted for their inventions. Over the next couple of days, I'll try to develop coverage of innovators from around the world. The assessments of the more important names from wp:Women in Business should be of assistance here (excluding film and theatrical interests). I'll also be livening it up with a number of images. If we are serious about developing interest in how women have contributed to various fields, lists like this one should be instrumental in conveying understanding. I would of course welcome suggestions on how we can further improve lists such as this as I have tending to base my developments on names, dates and summary descriptions. (I'm afraid I'm not much good at tables and find those which exist on women difficult to edit or improve.)--Ipigott (talk) 16:59, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Going offline now, but what's most needed, imo, is reliable sources discussing women inventors as a topic, which should not be hard to find!!! Given the preeminence of the GNG, most people at AfD are swayed by significant coverage type arguments. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

[Bit more with it after having my coffee now] I fear we should have contested the deletion of the other list, which has the potential to set an unhelpful precedent. Is there nonlist content on the history of women inventors, because there's clearly bags of content to write on that topic? A lead to this list that establishes it is a notable topic by multiple bombproof sources would be valuable. (And sourced leads to all the other lists might be effective in making them look less like easy pickings.) I quite like sortable lists, as they allow people to sort the information to find what they are interested in, but the weight of code can make editing large pages nearly impossible on my overstrained laptop, so I can understand the counterarguments. Espresso Addict (talk) 02:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

• @Ipigott: The first thing that jumped out at me, is that there is not one single reference on the entire page. It looks likely to pass as a Keep at AFD, but IMO without references, it could be put up at AFD again. Even CSD if it catches the eye of some editor who feels a need to rid Wikipedia of un-referenced content. — Maile (talk) 03:21, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

In the light of the above and the supportive comments made at AfD I will continue to expand the lead, already improved by Espresso Addict, adding more general background supported by reliable sources.--Ipigott (talk) 05:44, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Women in Red Translation Contest

WiR Translation Contest 2022 logo

The Translation Contest is now in its second month. It started in April and will run through June 2022. It focuses on the translation of biographies of women from other language versions of Wikipedia. April brought 165 new translations! It would be great if the active contributors could share their experiences. For example is there a particular area or language editors have found fruitful or even particularly tricky? Do you find that the existing articles in other languages need much work to meet English Wikipedia standards? In my limited experience looking at the other language Wikipedias, English Wiki is the gold standard.

Also if anyone cares to self-identify their language skills, please do! I, myself, can only speak and read English so I particularly admire these translations. WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:13, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Geneaology help?

Hello all, I just started a draft for Paula F. Beaubrun was who the first woman to be appointed Attorney General of the British Virgin Islands (1972). I can't find a date of birth anywhere, nor whether she has passed away. Would someone be able to take a look? Also, I'm not sure about nationality? I couldn't find any sources that said definitely where she was from. She lived in Saint Lucia in later life, but that doesn't mean she was Saint Lucian. Thoughts (or better search-engine usage than mine) welcome, and with thanks. Lajmmoore (talk) 06:38, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Could this be her? https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88880062/paula-f.-beaubrun Gamaliel (talk) 14:25, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Who's Who in the World lists her birth year as 1928. Gamaliel (talk) 14:29, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

That seems logical, as this says she was 45 in 1974 and while it doesn't name her father, it says he was the colonial treasurer. This shows the colonial treasurer was I. C. Beaubrun and this shows she had ties to St Lucia. SusunW (talk) 14:56, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Pinging @Guettarda: who might know good places to look for sources on people from the Caribbean. Gamaliel (talk) 15:22, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Lajmmoore more bits and bites. Appointed as AG in 1967.[21] She studied law in England[22] and apparently those studies were at Lincoln's Inn where she was admitted in 1960.[23] This might be an indicator of when she graduated, if you can find full access. SusunW (talk) 17:02, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Ancestry.com has passenger manifests for the UK, Canada and the US, which is often a good place to get approximate DOB and residence at a point in time. Odds are she'd be in there. I often rely on UF's Digital Library of the Caribbean.

@SusunW, your first link also says that she was born in St. Georges, Grenada and that her brother was "Matthew" Beaubrun. Based on the date and the description they give, that's got to be Michael Beaubrun. Assuming, though, that IC Beaubrun is their father, it does look like he was St Lucian. In 1908 he's an assistant clerk in the Audit Department in St Lucia (which would fit the c. 1889 DOB from the headstone). In 1946 he's the Controller of Imports and Exports in Trinidad (p. 200). Here he's mentioned as comptroller, in Barbados in 1950, and here he's the chair of the Central Housing and Planning Authority in St Lucia (and an OBE).

So I'd say she's probably Grenadian-born, St Lucian by heritage, and quite possibly grew up all over the Eastern Caribbean. Guettarda (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

(Ancestry.com is available through WP:TWL, btw). Guettarda (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Guettarda I can't access Ancestry and there is a wait list. Ignatius Cecil Beaubrun per the Lincoln Inn registry is definitely her father. This says he was St Lucian and his wife Clyte was Grenadian. Paula's birth record on FamilySearch says 5 Oct 1928 and mom was Clyte Eleanor Mar?in. But other records show the maternal surname was Harbin SusunW (talk) 17:35, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

There's an unsourced entry in a Beaubrun family tree on Ancestry that gives her mother's name as Clytemnestra "Clytie" Eleanor Harbin.

This arrival record for the UK in 1955 lists Paula's DOB as 5/10/1928, her occupation as bank clerk, her last permanent residence as St Lucia, with her passport issued in Trinidad. Guettarda (talk) 17:53, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

That was fun Guettarda! Collaboration at it's best. I checked the Florida collections and came up with nada. Lajmmoore you might score an obit or clippings by shooting off an e-mail to the National Archives or to the The Voice newspaper, which printed her sister's obituary. SusunW (talk) 18:16, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

@Guettarda@SusunW@Gamaliel - you're all so amazing! Thank you so much for finding the time, and going to the effort, so grateful! Lajmmoore (talk) 18:48, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

I created entries in Wikidata for Paula (Q111907955) and her father (Q111907786). TJMSmith (talk) 19:28, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

It was a lot of fun - real collaborative work is the best part of Wikipedia (and happens far too rarely). It was pretty cool too, because although I didn't know Michael Beaubrun (and didn't know Paula or their father existed) I believe my uncle was friends with him, and my parents knew him. It's cool to discover someone who I could, in theory, have met in real life, but I didn't even know existed. Guettarda (talk) 21:24, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shakuntala Atre

Would appreciate thoughts on this one. pburka uncovered that the subject publishes as "Shaku Atre", which seems to be being getting lost in the wash. Cheers, Espresso Addict (talk) 22:39, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

Women who no longer edit Wikipedia

I'm one of them. I keep getting messages from all you lovely Women In Red people, and it reminds me every time that I stopped editing Wikipedia because it felt like such an aggressive masculine environment. I wondered today if there should not only be a list of women Wikipedia ought to include in terms of articles, but also a list of women Wikipedia drove away in terms of contributors. (I couldn't decide whether to add this here because it feels like whining, and then I remembered that every time I entered any kind of conversation on Wikipedia, I was mostly treated as if I was just whining, no matter what I was saying. So here it is.)