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Article in serious need of sorting out.

The story so far...

The Game Maker article had a lot of content added to it, with a sizeable chunk of negative stuff as well. Content was added removed copy-and pasted, removed, added. Then a another user showed up (possibly a company representative) adds copy vio stuff, removes criticism, added other copy and paste stuff from another Wiki.

User asks for help saying that the negative info is being added by a user that was banned from the forum.

Anyway...
The article needs a serious going over, some of the references are to forums and Wikis, some of the content is not notable and the general layout and content could do with a cleanup as well. In short, it needs a serious going over chaps. - X201 (talk) 09:09, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the subject, but I can easily see how that article was in need of a good trimming. I immediately got into a edit war with IP who claims that somehow copyrights are being violated. Thanks X201! ;-) --Soetermans. T / C 14:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem :-) You're also a possible sock BTW ;-) - X201 (talk) 15:20, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Three reverts in the last 20 minutes. I'm done. --Soetermans. T / C 14:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

I've RPP'd the article, and cleaned a bit more. Will have to wait an see what happens. BTW, the company article(YoYo Games) has the same problems, any chance of a hand? :-) - X201 (talk) 15:22, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Part 2

The company representative is back and re-adding removed content. This could develop into WP:OWN. - X201 (talk) 09:02, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

From what I can tell from the article's talk page, YoYo Games' talk page and Jaymd 123's talk page, he hasn't been informed or warned so far on his editing. I'd start there. --Soetermans. T / C 10:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC opinions needed for title of Sharp-Nintendo TV-console combos

We need some help with a problem that has arisen regarding the move of the articles formerly known as "C1 NES TV" and "SF-1 SNES TV" to "C1 (television)" and "SF1 (television)". User:Despatche and I have been discussing the question and it's become clear that we need third party opinions at this point. The RfC can be found here. If anyone has any opinions on this issue, please weigh in. -Thibbs (talk) 03:08, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Just to update this, we've compromised to a set of title names now and we are still looking for third parties to help us determine whether it's acceptable for the lede paragraph to use the term most frequently used by the RSes. Any help would be appreciated as our viewpoints are at this point are quite far apart on this last issue. -Thibbs (talk) 11:34, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Mentioning distribution channel?

Hi guys,

When editing a VG article I always used take out the platform-specific distribution channel. For instance, a downloadable game available on PlayStation 3, platform should mention the console, media/distribution says either optical disc or digital distribution and release date says PSN. And then there is of course the article body. But just now Teancum re-added that bit, saying that there were discussion over this in the past, actually mentioning PSN, XBLA etc behind a specific platform. I have the fullest respect for Teancum, so I can only assume he was correct. However, I tried looking it up, but I'm not sure what to look for (distribution alone gives a lot of results). Can someone summarize that past discussion? Because to me it is too much, and it should be clear right away whether or not a game is only available in digital form. Thanks! --Soetermans. T / C 11:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I believe the summary was that if the distribution channel (PSN, XBLA, or when you get to PC, Steam, etc.) is the only method that that game can be acquired for that platform, then it should be mentioned. This is generally the case for all PSN/XBLA games. This is not necessary true for games that require Steamworks but can otherwise be purchased elsewhere, but specifically for games that only can be bought through the Steam store. This would apply to other storefronts like Origin and Desura too. --MASEM (t) 13:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Isn't that a bit redundant? Wouldn't it be prettier to look at if the release field mentions XBLA/PSN/Steam etc and platform just PlayStation 3/Xbox 360/PC? Like I said on my talk page earlier the other day, people are of course idiots ;-) --Soetermans. T / C 15:11, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I put systems/OS's in the platform field, and distribution network in the distribution field. So PlayStation 3 in platform, and then PlayStation Network in distribution. Even for something like Super Metroid, I'd probably move Virtual Console to the distribution field. Never really followed the guidelines. - hahnchen 18:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Allgame as a review score

So, I've seen some editors arguing about this, and before I stepped in, I wanted to see if there was a prior consensus, or if we could build one on it now, regarding Allgame. Allgame is definitely deemed reliable as a source in general, and I don't dispute that at all. But what about as a review score? For instance, a user is trying to use this link to give Sonic 3 a 4.5/5 star rating in a review box. However, what is this score based on? There is no review or context, just a brief "description" of the game, and an unrelated star based numerical score.

I'm all for using it as a source in general, but I question whether or not we should be using these context-less review scores. Thoughts? Sergecross73 msg me 13:35, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

In general, not just Allgame, if a RS presents a score but without any rationale for the score, that's not helpful, and shouldn't be included. Two reasons would be that if the score is similar to other review scores, that score isn't helped, and if the score is far different (a high rating when all others are low, for example) it doesn't help to know why that rating was high for purposes of documenting the reception. --MASEM (t) 13:40, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

(For the record, I fully agree. Just trying to start off discussion semi-neutral, at least.) Sergecross73 msg me 13:49, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Without a doubt, a rating without an actual review attached to it should not be used, Allmusic is handled this way per WP:ALBUM/REVSIT, the same should be added to WP:VG/S. "Review" scores are not reviews without the actual review (duh). I have come into conflict about this before (same user as on Sonic 3 I think) - we should set some ground rules here and nip it in the bud. Яehevkor ✉ 13:50, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Allgame is reliable, that doesn't mean it should be used. Allgame has never had any relevance or influence in the gaming industry. I'd only use allgame if there were no alternatives available, too often it's a crutch for lazy editors. If the only thing you have is a star rating, not even a review, I wouldn't use it at all - there are bound to be better alternatives. - hahnchen 18:46, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that if we are including a review, we don't just drop in the review score with a source and move on. If one uses the review table, then each review that is included in that table should be part of the reception's prose in terms of either summarizing or pulling sound bits from it. Otherwise, we're just filling the table for no reason and undiscussed entries should be removed. (The exception is the aggregates which can be presented without comment as its their gathering of all reviews that is important to include). If a review from an RS is simply a review score, that doesn't help build out the reception section and thus shouldn't be included in general. --MASEM (t) 19:01, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Opinions on layout of a list

Hi all, I'm currently working on List of Square Enix downloadable games, with the aim of taking it to FLC. Currently, I have it all in one big table, but another user has suggested that it would work better as seperate tables per platform (like so). I like having it as one table so that you can sort everything by date or whatnot instead of piecing together multiple tables, but ‎Jotamide thinks that its easier to parse as separate tables. I was basing the list off of List of Square Enix games, a featured list, but I don't know if that's a fair comparison since I wrote that one too. Does anyone else have an opinion on which way it should be? --PresN 22:55, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Due to the sheer number of titles, I find it easier to read the separated version. (And this is coming from someone who is familiar with majority of SE's catalogue...but not FLC though. So if FLC says otherwise, ignore me.) Sergecross73 msg me 23:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Just to chip in, I was planing on getting rid of the "System" column so that it didn't appear redundant. Jotamide (talk) 23:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Well sure, no disagreement there- no point having a column that's the same for the whole table. --PresN 01:53, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I like the current version with a single table. It allows sorting all the relevant titles alphabetically and by date, which would not be possible if it were broken up by platform. Besides, the sort function allows you to separate them by platform as well. Axem Titanium (talk) 04:15, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

What do the release dates represent? Are they the earliest date the title was available regardless of region, or are they just from a single region, with possible earlier releases in other regions? - X201 (talk) 07:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Earliest date the title was available regardless of region. --PresN 15:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

The list criteria seems artificial. Going forwards, all games will be downloadable games, if they aren't already. It seems arbitrary that the original Deus Ex is on there, but that Human Revolution isn't. Or that PC is ignored entirely. I think a more interesting list would be one limited to mobile platforms. - hahnchen 15:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

It is a bit, I suppose. It's really "downloadable-only" games, and I think I'll make the name reflect that later. Mobile-only makes some sense, though it would require moving all the PSN/XBLA games into the main SE games list, which is already really long, and leaves the games on the GREE platform (which supports PC) and Facebook games (not in there yet) hanging out in the cold. --PresN 18:23, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't class social-network games as "downloadable", so maybe there's another list to be had there. There could be some overlap with social and mobile lists if SE have something like Farmville. A featured list needs a clearly defined scope and inclusion criteria, which I don't think this has. - hahnchen 19:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm thinking what makes sense to me is moving the PSN/XBLA/Virtual console games out of this list and into the main SE games list. I think you're right, distribution method makes an increasingly little amount of sense for splitting out games, especially as new releases start getting released digitally as well as physically always in the next generation. That leaves us with Mobile platforms (iOS, Android, WindowsPhone, Japanese cell phones) and Online platforms/Social games (GREE/Facebook). I'm increasingly thinking that Facebook games aren't going to able to be sourced, though- they were all non-notable minigames done as an experiment, and got dropped. GREE is pretty much a mobile platform that you can technically access on PCs as well, so I think I can just call it "List of Square Enix mobile games". Doesn't answer the "one list or many" question, but does clear things up a bit. --PresN 17:17, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

RfC: Mass Effect series capitalization of alien race names

You're invited to join the discussion at Talk:Illusive Man#Request for comment. czar · · 03:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Sega Mega Drive or Sega Genesis

An RfC has been started for the Sega Genesis talk page to garner outside opinions on this topic, as some feel "Sega Genesis" is an unsuitable name with a narrow worldview, considering the console was known as the "Sega Mega Drive" in the majority of the world and only known as the Genesis in one specific region, due to copyright issues. --85.211.130.47 (talk) 08:49, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Um, when posting places to garner support for things like this, your comments should be neutral, otherwise you may run afoul of WP:CANVASS, the above is not neutral. Яehevkor ✉ 10:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• This, again!? :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 11:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
  • All I can say is...really? *sigh* Here we go again. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 12:54, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

It was always going to re-erupt following the way it ended up at Genesis. It was moved to a compromise name, that was declared against policy so it was then moved to Genesis instead of being moved back to the existing name. - X201 (talk) 17:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

That figures. I kind of wondered, when I returned to Wikipedia a month or so ago, why that was. And... holy moly, I didn't know you were still around, X201. It's been a long time since we've worked together last. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 14:31, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

After that move I removed all Sega articles from my watch list, I saw how far it pushed Keifer and didn't want to end up the same. Today was the first time in 18 months that I've been back to the article. But the (funniest/oddest/most depressing) part is; that you are still number 2 on the article contributor list, and I'm still 4th. We're well off the pace when it comes to Talk Page edits though. :-) - X201 (talk) 17:46, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Many will complain, few will actually put in the effort. If this mess ever gets straightened out, I wouldn't mind working it toward GA status again with proper references this time, but for now I'm working on Sega 32X and am waiting on a review for it. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 16:32, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

As I pointed out over there, apparently the RFC really is needed, since a significant number of the "can we speedy-close this?" folks have differing opinions about what the title should be. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 17:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

What avenues do we have to get some sort of definitive closure on this topic, since apparently reasoned debate and discussion isn't working? — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:08, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Isaac Clarke

Hi guys,

Does anyone of you think Isaac Clarke is notable? Player017 thinks so, but I disagree. Right now the events of Dead Space are mentioned, and that's it. The character development section is just as the bit in the article on Dead Space, while there is no character reception or legacy or whatever. As far as I know, the pretty bland character of Clarke isn't particularly notable whatsoever. I think that a redirect is pretty obvious here. Input is much appreciated. --Soetermans. T / C 12:57, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Without looking for sources, my recall suggests there's little notability in Clarke (compared with, say, Gordon Freeman who probably is even less developed as a character since he remains mute in the games). That said Player017 has said "bear with me" in these recent edits, suggesting he may have reasonable sources. This is a case where the article should have either been developed with the sources first to establish notability, or built out in userspace and moved into place once it was mostly developed with sources. I would give Player017 a week or so to justify why it was expanded (AGF, DEADLINE), and otherwise revert to a redirect and ask he keep drafts in userspace until they are shown notable. --MASEM (t) 13:38, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not saying that's wrong, that's fine, but as far as things go historically, I had a similar discussion with Player017 about the Characters of Xenoblade Chronicles article back in November 2011. I told him that it needed third party sources to meet the GNG. Fast forward to the present, and the article's sourcing consists of 23 quotes directly from the game script. I'm not sure I'd depend on him for this type of thing; his thing seems to be writing and rewriting plot-centric details of articles, not proving the GNG... Sergecross73 msg me 14:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

Spring Cleaning

Since Summer is around the corner, I think that we should try to take care of some backlog in our project:

• Featured Content wise, we have five nominations. Three of them, God of War: Betrayal, Diamond Trust of London, Nintendo DSi, are up for FA status while List of Sega 32X games and List of Mystery Dungeon video games are up for Featured List status.

• We have 13 articles up at GAN, 10 of which, Manhunt 2, Manhunt (series), Dragon Warrior VII, Final Fantasy Adventure, Matt Leto, Characters of the Final Fantasy XIII series, Final Fantasy Dimensions, Characters of God of War, Sega v. Accolade, Ventus (Kingdom Hearts), and Mass Effect 2: Overlord have yet to be reviewed.

• Two articles are up to have an A-class assessment - The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay, Batman: Arkham Asylum

• Peer reviews for Super Mario Bros.: The Lost Levels and Beyond Good & Evil.

• And The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap is having a Good Article reassessment.

So, if you can, please look over these and help out. GamerPro64 16:51, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the promo plugs, I've been helping where I can, and I've been waiting on feedback for List of Sega 32X games and Sega v. Accolade for a while now. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 17:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

More Spring Cleaning - Taskforces

I recently wrote the Diamond Trust of London article, and stuck {{WikiProject Video games}} on its talk page, this was quickly followed up by another editor with links to the Indie and Strategy taskforces. These tasksforces are dead, the last talk page activity on those two taskforces were in August 2012 and January 2011 respectively.

Devil May Cry, March 2009. Castlevania, January 2010. Even though PlayStation saw some activity in May 2013, it's something that could be handled a lot better just on this main Wikiproject talk page. I think the vast majority of these task forces should be deleted and redirected towards this main page. I think our talk page templates should remove references to these mostly unwatched pages. If articles falling within these franchises are better served with specifically tailored article guidelines, they can be linked from the main project version. - hahnchen 18:59, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

It's on that note I'd also like to announce that the Sega task force has been recently revived, and is looking for members. Currently right now it's mostly just me, but User:Simon Alexander Tolhurst is also around every now and then. I'm trying to incite as much discussion as possible there, not to mention recent contributions: List of Sega 32X games at FLC, Sega v. Accolade at GAN, and currently a rewrite of Sega 32X, not to mention discussion about the Sega Genesis title, though there's been no discussion at the task force yet about it. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 19:36, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Iron Man 3 (video game) AFD

Hello everyone. I know we already have a subsection on VG-related AFDs. However, I wanted to request more discussion on this one, for two reasons:

1. I have completely rewritten the entire thing. It looks nothing like how it did at the time of its nomination.
2. I'd like to get more input from the Video Game community on this; right now, most of the input seems to be more from the Film community.

Anyways, if anyone has anything to contribute, even if it was "No Serge, lets delete it", I'd appreciate it. Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 21:07, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Iron Man 3 (video game) czar · · 21:12, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Oops, yes, thanks, I meant to link that. Sergecross73 msg me 21:18, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

Influences!

I'm really interested in the influences, which is a major point that is currently lacking on the games related articles on Wikipedia. I would be glad to see a section "Influences" for as many games as possible where the origins are explained and what the game itself influenced.--Homei (talk) 06:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

That would usually fit into the "Legacy" sections, but you're right that most articles don't dig that deep. I agree that those facts would be interesting to add. The caveat is that such a section can easily become a list of trivia, which wouldn't fly. czar · · 06:51, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Well, legacy can be mention how a game influenced something else, but the inspiration and influences of a particular game can be usually put into the development section. For instance, The Last of Us states:

The concept for The Last of Us arose after watching a segment of the BBC nature documentary Planet Earth, which documented a cordyceps fungus-infected ant, where the fungus takes over its brain and produces growths from its head; the idea that the fungus could infect humans became the initial idea for the game. Major artistic inspirations included the novels City of Thieves, I Am Legend, No Country for Old Men, The Road, the comic book series The Walking Dead, and their screen adaptations. GamesRadar pointed out the game's inspirations by the film versions of I Am Legend and The Road and the TV series version of The Walking Dead, as well as by 28 Days Later and the film versions of Children of Men and The Day of the Triffids. (See The Last of Us development section)

Hope that helps. --Soetermans. T / C 10:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Yea, if we do know what games were influences in another, these will be documented directly in the Development section (and as noted , if we know a game was an influence for another, then the influncing game will have this in their legacy section). However, we are limited that this is often not stated by developers of where they get these various influences and thus would not be appropriate to make a regular section for it in articles. --MASEM (t) 02:43, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Template colors

Alright, I'm starting to sound like a broken record here, asking for advice on how to handle other users, but here I go again. User:MilitaryNut has taken it upon himself to make a bunch of templates full with color, trying to fall in line with the color schemes of logos and such. While I find the Template:Portal series pretty nice, Template:Left 4 Dead and Template:Doom series make my eyes hurt. Admin User:S@bre commented in his edit summary, to which MilitaryNut replied amically. Before I undo the rest of his edits, I noticed the 'Don't edit war over the colour of templates' guideline. Should we go by a template-by-template judgment? Or is there another consenus saying, 'nah, let's not do that' all together? --Soetermans. T / C 18:45, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure why Portal or Left 4 Dead need templates anwyay, the Portal one is majority related links not directly linked materials. Anyway, color is meant to be of use to those visibly challenged, if Left4Dead hurts your eyes, imagine what it is like for them. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 20:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Tell them to go to Wikia if they want that stuff. Not really fitting for an Encyclopaedia. - X201 (talk) 22:13, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

If the Left 4 Dead and Doom templates are stirring up issues, I'll just revert them to the standard-issue layout before a dispute happens. Just playing it safe. --MilitaryNut (talk) 23:17, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, look over all my edits and decide with the others. If any of my edits are not appropriate to Wikipedia, I'll be fine with anyone reverting my colouring to templates. Cheers. --MilitaryNut (talk) 23:26, 9 June 2013 (UTC) I really need to re-think my decisions on certain edits...

I think a tasteful selection of colors can improve a template's aesthetics but it's definitely not worth stressing over. Why don't we operate on a one-strike rule where if anyone objects, revert and discuss? Axem Titanium (talk) 10:09, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

That works for me.--Soetermans. T / C 14:30, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Sure, why not? Let's go with that. --MilitaryNut (talk) 01:52, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

One of your project's articles has been featured

Hello, Please note that Mario Party, which is within this project's scope, has been selected as one of Today's articles for improvement. The article was scheduled to appear on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Today's articles for improvement" section for one week, beginning today. Everyone is encouraged to collaborate to improve the article. Thanks, and happy editing! Delivered by Theo's Little Bot at 03:16, 10 June 2013 (UTC) on behalf of the TAFI team

I've just orphaned Portal:Current events/Video gaming/In the news

I've just removed Portal:Current events/Video gaming/In the news from Portal:Video games because it's hopelessly out of date. I don't visit Portal:Video games, but it still gets over 250 hits per day which is probably more than most personal games blogs. If someone fancies themselves a bit of a newsie, like putting out headlines, and commits to it, go update it and un-orphan it. Having a picture of Peter Molyneux on Portal:Video games for over two years straight is shockingly embarrassing. - hahnchen 22:05, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

Need help making a goal template

Trying to make a similar drive for WP:ANIME to have 25% of Anime and manga articles above stub or similar to that. Can someone help me make one?Lucia Black (talk) 01:12, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on Chart/Gamecruft

Hello. I'm looking for an additional input on whether or not a chart violates WP:GAMECRUFT.

• Article/Chart - Iron Man 3 (video game)
• Discussion - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Iron_Man_3:_The_Official_Game

Thanks! Sergecross73 msg me 02:04, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Oh a related note, lists of classes/jobs/careers are GAMECRUFT as well right? Or are there situations when it's okay and situations when it's not okay? — -dainomite   02:43, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

If there is discussion of the classes in secondary sources, then they can be included. Or, perhaps if it is necessary to understand the gameplay better, than could be explained (eg, TF2's classes or Borderland's classes). But generally if it is just part of the gameplay mechanic, then yes, not necessary to include. --MASEM (t) 02:57, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

In general, a chart should be okay as long as it doesn't unnecessary information. I think it would be quite helpful for giving information that would take much longer to write.

TheUnknownNinjaNN2(Talk,Always willing to discuss this subject) 05:10, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

We have a Manual of Style page that specifically covers tables. Woodroar (talk) 13:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured topics/StarCraft titles' imminent delisting

Wikipedia:Featured topics/StarCraft titles' retention period ends tomorrow with StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm, so if anyone wants to try to save the topic from being delisted, now would be the time.--十八 10:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

• Seeing that the grace period is over, the review to have it removed can be found right here so please help assist in the decision by Supporting or Opposing its demotion. GamerPro64 14:26, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

I could really use a hand...

Hey, everyone, sorry to ask a second time, but it's been almost three weeks and I've received very little feedback. List of Sega 32X games is at WP:FLC, and I could really use some feedback. Supports, comments, whatever I can get. FLC looks to be pretty backlogged, so the quicker I can get some kind of consensus and work through the issues, the easier it'll be for this to get pushed through and add more featured content to the project. Thanks. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 01:49, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

GVnayR

No idea how to deal with this guy, User:GVnayR. He was previously blocked for copying copyrighted content verbatim from sources such as Mobygames. It's obvious he thinks he's helping, in a Bat-Mite sort of way. But he has dozens (hundreds?) of edits like these, adding unencyclopedic commentary to video game articles and other content:

• "a generic concrete monstrosity with a tightly-packed crowd of spectators and a design plan that resembles football stadiums from Communist countries"
• "few of the bosses look like something out of a horror film instead of a kid-friendly 2D platform action game. The third boss looks like a giant mechanical dragon while the boss of level 5 is a bone dragon and players encounter a mentally ill disembodied head at the end of the eleventh level."
  
• Devoting an entire section on an in-depth discussion of real planes in Wings 2: Aces High

He generally cites unreliable sources and presents opinions in those articles as facts. User has been asked repeatedly to fix up his contributions but to no avail. It's really frustrating since it becomes almost necessary to clean up after him. --Jtalledo (talk) 10:55, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• Oy, personal attacks removed. This was a rather shocking diatribe on a user's personal condition, not on his editing. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 16:04, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• It also removed well-intentioned replies by User:Sergecross73 and User:Masem to said personal attacks; if either of you want to repeat the points you made about the user's editing, feel free to do it. Yours are not the posts that needed redaction. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 16:06, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

• To summarize what Salvidrim reasonably stripped - the behavior here is not disruptive, just annoying, and by good faith we have to assume the editor is confused or mistaken and not intentionally harming WP. ANI will not lift a finger at this point, under standard dispute resolution but the proper place would be WP:RFC/U to start discussing the user's behavior. If the user refuses to participate or continue to behavior in this fashion, then ANI may listen, but not before then. --MASEM (t) 16:12, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Assessment of redirects

Hi, sorry for reposting. However, I realised that the main talk could be a more appropriate place for asking questions:
Does "we do not assess redirects" mean that WP:VG templates should be removed entirely from talk pages of redirects within the project's scope?

Moritz37 (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Exactly. They show up as "unclassified" and I remove the banners from the talk pages whenever I happen to patrol our assessment tables. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 17:03, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thank you for clearing things up! Moritz37 (talk) 17:37, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

If we do not assess them, what is the point of Category:NA-Class video game articles? Currently it contains only redirects. --Mika1h (talk) 17:50, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

It is supposed to be empty. I've just been slacking off on the maintenance (bite me!) and nobody else bothered to untag redirects. Ideally, we'd have no NA-class page. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 17:52, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

What about if we create Redirect-class, other projects seem to have them: Category:Redirect-Class articles. We already have quality classes for other types of articles like Projects, Disambigs, Files, etc. --Mika1h (talk) 20:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I've thought the same thing for a long time but always assumed that if things were this way, there must've been consensus for them at some point, and I didn't feel strongly enough about it all to try and change that. Plus, do you even realize how many redirects there must be? I'd guesstimate more than ten-times all of the other non-article pages combined. :) ·Salvidrim!· ✉ 20:36, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Dwarf Fortress

There is a discussion about the phrase "Steep Learning Curve" at Talk:Dwarf Fortress‎ that could use another set of eyes. --Guy Macon (talk) 09:28, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

WildStar (video game)

I'm not sure if you're aware, but WildStar (video game) was recently deleted under criteria G11. I'm not sure what the original article looked like (perhaps Masem can help there?), but as one of the major PC releases of 2013 and possibly the biggest MMO release this year, I felt it was important to have an article on the subject.

However, I'm unable to employ WP:SOFIXIT in this context - I am now a professional video games journalist, and working on this would be a conflict of interest.

I have, however, compiled a large amount of material from reliable sources including ZAM Network MMORPG.COM, Joystiq, IGN, Rock Paper Shotgun, Destructoid, PC Gamer, and VG247. This blend of general and specialist gaming media should support an article that easily passes the GNG.

Hope all this helps, and I look forward to seeing the results! Best, Gazimoff 02:26, 16 June 2013 (UTC)