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October 1

Spaceships battle game

A friend has this real old strategy PC game that I never heard before, and it’s a sequel, or at least it say it’s a second part of something, so maybe the actual game had some kind of impact, I don’t know but the thing is the game is awesome, the title is “Homeworld 2”

I don’t play very much, actually in a long time I have not play at all… but man this thing is immersive, you can build spaceships and control its individual weapons and do alignments with others fighters starships and it’s all in a free 3d movement environment, yesterday I pass by to say hallo and when I realized I was spend almost one hour…

Is there a newer version, or an in progress one? Or is there any other game like it but more modern? Around 2011 or newer? Better graphics etc.

Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 13:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

This should work for you and this. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:58, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!! … Girl you really enjoy to write in English…

what a big and epic story… and my friend’s sister yells: ahi está! jugando una cosa ahí de un plátano y un pepino (porque una de las naves parece un plátano y la otra un pepino)

En cuanto tenga un tiempo leo el artículo completo… se ve muy interesante.

Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 17:41, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

No problem, Iskánder, and yes I do really love writting in English. But I must ask, why do you say that? Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:46, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

A ver… Si tú eres cubana y yo soy cubano… que hacemos hablando, inglés!!?? No en serio se ve que te gusta… yo escribo en inglés porque aquí es donde se consiguen las respuestas útiles, pero me va mucho mejor leyéndolo que escribiéndolo y ya hablando inglés… bueno, eso ya son categorías mayores ahí si soy un desastre… — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iskander HFC (talk • contribs) 00:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Which individual song/melody has been used in the most number of films ?

Trying to answer this question, I found "nothing" on the web, and nothing in the IMDB. By intuition I would think of Entrance of the Gladiators (circus music) or the like. Does anybody have any suggestions how to approach this question - and get a result ? GEEZER^{nil nisi bene} 17:04, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Back in the day, movies would include snippets of all sorts of existing melodies, but with no acknowledgment. Now, sometimes the music (and other) credits last almost as long as the movie (StuRat and I once had a disagreement about whether crediting the caterers who fed the film crew was a reasonable thing to do). I'm sure music credits are all catalogued somewhere, but that leaves us with the problem of the thousands of earlier movies that didn't quite see the need for such detailed credits (except for the main composers of the theme and background music). -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 21:15, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, and I suggested they only list those who have a creative impact on the film in the credits, then add a web site where they can list everyone down to the janitor's favorite tavern, if they wish. Music, however, should be included in the credits, since it does have a creative impact. StuRat (talk) 09:43, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the 20th Century Fox theme? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:50, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Plot question about ParaNorman

Norman seems to be very upset at the group of zombies/corpses who gave testimony about the witch and were present for her trial/execution, and the zombies/corpses are shown to express remorse at their terrible actions. The explanation given seems to be, as Norman put it, "but she was just a little girl."

But in the flashback to the trial, when the death sentence is imposed, the girl leads and explosion of light and unleashes a curse on all present, leading me to understand that she was, in fact a witch. So what's the mitigating circumstances that should have spared the little girl -- she was actually a witch? Was the message of the movie that actual witches, who might have been dangerous, should not have been killed? The message I got was that people who are different (weirdos, fat kids, homosexuals, etc.) should be spared from bullying/discrimination, but actual witches (which this girl seems to have been) would not necessarily fall into that category. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 17:19, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the key is in what you said above, that "actual witches, who might have been dangerous" (my emphasis on "might"). Aggie did possess some magical powers, but they were portrayed as very benign (she is described as a "medium", not a witch, in the Wikipedia article)—until her trial and execution. She had done nothing wrong and likely never would have, and it was fear from the townspeople that resulted in her death rather than punishment for any actual deed—a pre-emptive strike. In addition, in Puritan times, many so-called "witches" would have been put to death merely for being "different" in some way (which could be high intelligence or unusual skills), even if they had no magical powers (which in real life, they wouldn't have). --Canley (talk) 00:49, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

The film would have been so much better plot-wise had there been no actual curse -- I think the fact that she actually was a medium/witch ruins the claim that the Puritan townspeople acted in appropriately. DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 13:50, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2

Is there a name for this use of music in film?

Is there a technical term for the directorial technique where the soundtrack for a climactic scene of a film consists mainly or entirely of a well-known piece of music, with the sounds of the on-screen events occurring only in the background? Immediate examples that come to mind are Rintaro's Metropolis (I Can't Stop Loving You), Reservoir Dogs (Stuck In The Middle With You), Miller's Crossing (Danny Boy), and Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy (La Mer)? Tevildo (talk) 00:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

TVTropes calls this "Soundtrack Dissonance" (i.e. beautiful music or a cheery song set to a violent or climactic scene). --Canley (talk) 00:59, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

As with both the opening and closing music of Dr. Strangelove. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:51, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Compromise for the common good

What are some notable examples of compromise (by individual persons or by groups of persons or by organizations) for the common good, as portrayed in entertainment of any medium (for example, in operas, operettas, movies, novels, or situation comedies)?
—Wavelength (talk) 02:18, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

WARNING: The next post contains a vulgar word. (Wiktionary has information about it.) Reader discretion is advised.

—Wavelength (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

That's a tough one. Entertainment of all mediums is built on conflict as a driving force of the plot. That's because fiction that goes "Everyone talked it over, worked out a good compromise solution, and everything worked out in the end" turn out to bore the shit out of people. So, I'm not sure you're going to find many examples of entertainment based around the concept of people working together for the sole benefit of society, excepting perhaps things like Soviet propaganda works designed to get everyone excited about working hard for collectivization... --Jayron32 03:05, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Profanity is not necessary. Please see WP:PROFANE.

—Wavelength (talk) 14:45, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Nannyism is also not necessary. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:03, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I am still waiting to find out what the vulgarity is, and what is meant by the opening question. I feel like I have just missed the total point of a Jeopardy! question. μηδείς (talk) 00:56, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I believe the word "shit" is what is bothering the fuck out of the OP. --Jayron32 01:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Well bugger me. HiLo48 (talk) 02:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Which film studio used this music for its opening fanfare?

This has been bugging me for years, so you'd better come up with the goods or I'll … I'll … well, you just better, that's all.

On this video, at 21:57 through 22:20 can be heard a majestic fanfare. It reappears at 24:19 and builds up to its full power at 24:38, but after 20 secs it meanders off.

The music is the 3rd movement of the Piano Concerto in F-sharp minor, Op. 10 by Hans Bronsart von Schellendorff, also known as Hans von Bronsart.

A bit of that fanfare, or something very like it (but I'm sure that's exactly it), was once used by a major Hollywood film studio over its opening logo. It was replaced a number of years ago by something else. All of my googling has utterly failed me in my search to identify that studio, or even any confirmation this excerpt from the concerto was ever used for this purpose.

Does anyone here (probably one of the senior citizens, but all are welcome) know the answer?

Yours in frustration. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 05:26, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

My ear is not that good, so I can't tell if it's one of the early Columbia / Screen Gems intros or not.[1] But you can find various collections of these old intros on youtube. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:00, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Google won't open this for me because they have a new brilliantly glitched-up youtube system they want to coerce me into. In the meantime, can you not play this into Midomi, Jack? μηδείς (talk) 00:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd never heard of Midomi till you mentioned it the other day. It seems to be a tool for identifying tunes you don't know the names of. But I know precisely what this music is called, so I'm not sure how this suggestion would help. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I though you meant the piece was like Schellendorf. In any case, for the future, if you can hum or "la la la" a tune in tune for about 10 seconds Midomi works quite well. You can also splay a tune in one screen loud enough so your speaker picks it up and is read by the midomi screen. μηδείς (talk) 20:57, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Black Wind White Land

Is there anything on the production of this documentary? Not IMDb, please. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

What are you looking for about it? You can buy it here: [2]. I didn't see a ton of info out there (except it was in some film festivals), it's cheap, the best bet might be just to watch it.Phoenixia1177 (talk) 03:45, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I wish I could buy it, Phoenixia1177. I need info about the background and the production. Details about the broadcast and release, the plot, etc... Anything (with references) works. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll keep looking, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot of documentation online- and I didn't see anywhere you could watch it freely. I'm not sure what to recommend, I'll see if I can find tomorrow:-) Good luck:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 03:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I only asked because I am working on the Black Wind, White Land article. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 12:26, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

IMDB has some of this info, and Amazon probably will. Do you want that copied here? μηδείς (talk) 18:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, yes. Please μηδείς. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:29, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Oddly, I cannot find any listing for this at Amazon. IMDb has:

IMDb credits
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Black Wind, White Land: Living with Chernobyl (1993) Full Cast & Crew Directed by Gerry Hoban Writing Credits (in alphabetical order) Gene Kerrigan ... (writer) Cast (in credits order) Ali Hewson ... Narrator Create a character page for: Create » ? Produced by Ali Hewson ... producer Adi Roche ... producer Music by Ronan Hardiman Cinematography by Donal Gilligan Film Editing by Isobel Stephenson

μηδείς (talk) 19:37, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Unknown movie

I'm trying to remember the name of a film I saw many years ago. It was about a schoolteacher, a prim and proper woman. The students resented and mocked her, but in the years that ensued they often returned to her for advice. Late in the movie she falls ill and the surgeon who attempts to save her is one of her former students. Before the surgery, she gives him an old watch that she wants him to keep if she doesn't survive. When he protests, she tells him that it is bequeathed to him anyway. I don't know any of the actors by name. I think it was a black-and-white film, but I'm not 100% sure. Joefromrandb (talk) 22:24, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with it, but the plot sounds somewhat like Goodbye, Mr. Chips, with a male teacher, in this case. StuRat (talk) 22:35, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

It sounds a bit like Good Morning, Miss Dove (and not much like Goodbye, Mr. Chips). You can also browse Category:Films about educators. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:47, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Good Morning, Miss Dove. First thing I thought of. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 22:57, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Interesting that the plot section of the article has almost the same wording as your question Joe. I checked and the film was released in colour. But, if you saw it on TV before the late 60s it would have been broadcast in B&W. Also, there is a brief mention of a made for TV film from 1956 and that would have been in B&W as well. MarnetteD | Talk 23:10, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Wow. It's a bit spooky, actually. That is the film. Thanks, all. Joefromrandb (talk) 23:15, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

Rare/out-of-print movies

I googled this subject toward the beginning of the year and found www.moviehunter.tv, which sounded ideal except that I checked on it today, wanting to order a couple, and it appeared to have ceased activity. There's another one I found, but you can only buy directly from their inventory (which did not include either one).

Are there any active websites that look for out-of-print movies on home video formats and let you request openly? Theskinnytypist (talk) 23:55, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

There's one called cinema classics dot com, but I am not sure what the copyright status of their wares is. I ordered a Spanish print of a Rita Hayworth film from them which I believe was in the public domain. A good question is, how can one determine that something actually is in the public domain in the US or elsewhere? μηδείς (talk) 00:48, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

October 3

reality game show about strangers knowing each other secrets broadcasted on Channel 4

What was the name of the tv reality show where strangers are living together and knowing each other secrets and it had an Arab version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.148.34 (talk) 01:26, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

More info, please. What network was it on? ("channel 4" means nothing since it is location dependent). Is this a recent show, currenty airing, a year old, 10 years old, etc. RudolfRed (talk) 03:14, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

That would presumably be Channel 4. I don't recognise the description but does this list (scroll down) help?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:05, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Channel 4 is in the UK. The OP's IP address geolocates to Toronto, Canada. I doubt if that's the right Channel 4. HiLo48 (talk) 11:36, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Sounds something like Big Brother. It had many international versions, including 2004's Big Brother: The Boss in the Middle East (it lasted just 11 days before being cancelled due to "many complaints from viewers, and complaints on Arab radio talkshows"); and Big Brother Canada which started earlier this year. Astronaut (talk) 15:32, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Lyrics to Demoni by Actitud Maria Marta (ft. Explosion Suprema)

Does anyone know where to find the lyrics to this song online? I can't seem to locate them with google. Thanks for any help:-)Phoenixia1177 (talk) 10:12, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I've searched high and low but the lyrics aren't anywhere on the internet. I can copy them down here (hatted or hidden, of course). Is that allowed? Cheers, --181.167.116.248 (talk) 18:39, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

British TV - old law or industry agreement that a movie less than 5 years old could *not* be broadcast on TV ?

Was it a law or an industry agreement ? How long was it in operation ?
Was it scrapped when the subscription channels started appearing ?

One day in the early 1980's, I saw a brief newspaper article, saying the minimum age was being reduced from 5 years to 3 years.

The past few weeks have seen movies only 2 years old appearing on free-to-air channels.
But when musing how times have changed, no-one else seems to remember such a restriction...

90.244.131.186 (talk) 16:58, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if it was five years, but I do remember that it took a long time for films to be shown on TV. That was until the late 70s/early 80s when with the rise of video recorders in the home, and particularly the video rental market, films started to be shown on broadcast TV sooner after their run in cinemas then had previously been the norm. The article, Home video has a little on this, saying "Prior to the arrival of home video ... most feature films were essentially inaccessible to the public after their original theatrical runs were over. Some very popular films ... could be expected to turn up on television eventually...", and Film distribution#Shrinking of the theatrical window talks about the OP's question but only since the early 2000s. Astronaut (talk) 18:04, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

• The original 1977 Star Wars was not broadcast over the air until CBS showed it Sunday February 26, 1984. But it had been out on VHS for two years by then. First showings like this had been treated as big events. μηδείς (talk) 18:23, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
  • Star Wars was also rereleased to theaters in 1978, 1979, 1981, and 1982, not an unheard of practice at the time for big movies. Jaws was re-released twice before appearing on TV. Gone with the Wind - who knows how many times? Rmhermen (talk) 17:57, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I was going to mention Jaws, the broadcast premiere of which was a big event. Until about 1984, the premiere of any successful film on TV in the US was treated as a big thing. It changed very quickly to a less-than-a-year turnaround once just about everyone had a VHS player. μηδείς (talk) 18:11, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

I remember it, I think it was 3 years. I'll see what I can find. --TammyMoet (talk) 13:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

The Daily Show with Jon Stewart

Why do people continue to allow to be interviewed on The Daily Show when they, I would think, know that they're being lampooned? I don't mean the in-studio interviews, of course, but the on location ones where they'll get the head of some organization that has something to do with some political topic. And they'll often get some government employee as well. Are the people just that out of touch that they don't know that they'll be asked ridiculous questions? Or are they mostly going by the old adage about any advertising being good advertising? Dismas|^(talk) 20:09, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

You'd have to ask them. Have you tried Google, to see if there are any followup comments by some of those interviewees? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:59, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Lots of times it's good-natured ribbing, and even (some) bosses have a sense of humor. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

You may be overestimating the popularity of the Daily Show. Of course every 20-something college student watches it, but most people aren't watching Comedy Central at 11 pm. Adam Bishop (talk) 10:24, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

That might be true, but you would think before agreeing to an interview, a tiny amount of research about who you are being interviewed by might be done. Daily Show? Never heard of it. Sure, Come on in. --Onorem (talk) 10:34, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

"There's no such thing as bad publicity" Astronaut (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

There was a time when the Daily Show was being taken more seriously than many news programs that do not claim to have any comedic angle to them. Jon Stewart is taken very seriously by a lot of people who consider him to be a serious political voice, much to his dislike (as evideced by the famous guest appearance on Crossfire which led to the demise of that show). 188.29.166.78 (talk) 15:00, 4 October 2013 (UTC) Edit: Jesus, I used serious thrice. Should demonstrate the seriousness, though it's interesting that it was the case around 2008. I don't know about now. 188.29.166.78 (talk) 15:02, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

A serious series. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:14, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

An unparalleled series. StuRat (talk) 16:33, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Russell Morris Sweet Sweet Love

Hi all, I've had Sweet, Sweet Love by Russell Morris stuck in my head for a day or two. Is there some good reason for this? Is it featured on an ad or something? IBE (talk) 23:12, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia has a fairly well-referenced article about the phenomenon at earworm. Perhaps some of the scholarly research in that article could help you understand a bit more about your condition. --Jayron32 13:01, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

October 4

key

• http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VklccWgI19k

Good evening, this song is in D minor or E-flat minor ? 198.105.103.203 (talk) 01:20, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Looking for the name of this song

There was a song that was on the Top 20 or 40 Europop chart this past summer. The music video takes place at some lodge in Sweden (as evidenced by a flag or two) and has all these elderly people partying, well raving, really, and ends with them all running naked in the snow. For the life of me I can't remember the name of it. Does anyone know the name of the song I'm referring to? 188.29.166.78 (talk) 14:56, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Found it - Dada Life - So Young So High! Such a gentleman 22:03, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Good, and thanks for warning me not to watch that video. :-) StuRat (talk) 23:22, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

What are the frequencies of Young temperament?

I tried to search online and didnt found it. If you can't tell it just post the same but for another well tempered tuning.201.78.142.86 (talk) 16:44, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

See here for example: "Pitch, Temperament & Timbre" (Dolmetsch online). ---Sluzzelin talk 17:43, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

In Wikipedia, there is a search box on the top right of the page. If you enter the term you're looking for in the box and press enter, you're taken right to the page you're looking for, if the page exists. In this case, it does: Young temperament. Before realizing the obvious, I also stumbled across the page Inharmonicity, which was very interesting to me, maybe also to you. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 10:46, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the OP might have found that page, but unfortunately it doesn't give any explicit frequencies. In the set of tables I linked to, someone had made the conversions from various interval-based concepts to actual frequencies in Hz (using the A440 (pitch standard); I found no table using another basis). ---Sluzzelin talk 11:32, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

The pitches in Hz should follow directly from the second table of the article. For example, for C, which is three semitones above A, and has an offset from equal temperament of +6 according to the table, the calculation should be 440 ^((3*100 + 6)/1200) = 525.068. The whole table, then becomes:

Note	Difference	Equal temp.	Young temp.
A	0	440	440
B♭	+6	466.164 Hz	467.782 Hz
B	-2	493.883 Hz	493.313 Hz
C	+6	523.251 Hz	525.068 Hz
C♯	0	554.365 Hz	554.365 Hz
D	+2	587.330 Hz	588.008 Hz
E♭	+4	622.254 Hz	623.693 Hz
E	-2	659.255 Hz	658.494 Hz
F	+6	698.456 Hz	700.881 Hz
F♯	-2	739.989 Hz	739.134 Hz
G	+4	783.991 Hz	785.804 Hz
G♯	+2	830.609 Hz	831.570 Hz
A	0	880 Hz	880 Hz

However, when I try the same calculations using the base frequency of 262.513 for C as was given in the page you linked to for the frequencies of Young temperament (262.513, 276.557, 293.997, 311.127, 329.256, 350.018, 368.743, 392.882, 414.836, 440.000, 466.690, 492.769), I get slightly different values (262.513, 277.161, 293.981, 311.822, 329.221, 350.413, 369.538, 392.871, 415.752, 439.965, 467.745, 493.274) than in the linked article. Maximum discrepancy is at Bb, 1.055 Hz. So either there's something wrong in my understanding or application of the calculations, or there is an error in either the linked page or our article, or there is round-off error somewhere. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 13:18, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I found a PDF of the original publication in Philosophical Transactions: Outlines of Experiments and Inquiries respecting Sound and Light. The section about musical temperament begins on PDF page 39 (printed page 143, section XVI "Of the Temperament of musical Intervals").

Young describes an ideal temperament and a practical temperament that is "nearly the same":

Ideal

It appears to me, that every purpose may be answered, by making C:E too sharp by a quarter of a comma, which will not offend the nicest ear; E:G#, and Ab:C, equal; F#:A# too sharp by a comma; and the major thirds of all the intermediate keys more or less perfect, as they approach more or less to C in the order of modulation. The fifths are perfect enough in every system. The results of this method are shown in Table XII.

Practical

In practice, nearly the same effect may be very simply produced, by tuning from C to F, Bb, Eb, G#, C#, F# six perfect fourths; and C, G, D, A, E, B, F#, six equally imperfect fifths, Plate VI. Fig. 52.

Ideal

Here are my interpretations of the intervals Young mentions:

• C:E is a harmonic major third plus 1/4 of the syntonic comma: (5/4) × (81/80)^(1/4).
• E:G# and Ab:C are equal intervals that combine with the C:E interval to make a perfect octave: each is 2² × 3^(−1/2) × 5^(−3/8).
• F#:A# is a harmonic major third plus a syntonic comma: (5/4) × (81/80).

I don't yet understand how the the rest of the pitches are distributed, and I can't get my attempts to match the tables. However, using the vibrating string length results in Table XII.A, I calculate the following:

pitch	vibrating length	A440 frequency	cents from equal temperament
C	100000	262.574	6
C#	94723	277.202	0
D	89304	294.023	2
Eb	83810	313.297	12
E	79752	329.239	-2
F	74921	350.468	6
F#	71041	369.610	-2
G	66822	392.946	4
G#	63148	415.808	2
A	59676	440.000	0
Bb	56131	467.789	6
B	53224	493.338	-2

It looks like the cents table in Young temperament is based on this ideal method. The text under the table says Young later changed the tuning of Eb, so that explains why the Eb value is different than what I calculated.

Practical

Other descriptions of Young's temperament I found online seem to be based on the practical method. Here's how that works:

The Pythagorean comma P = 2⁻¹⁹ × 3¹².

Sort by 3^ to see the order of fourths and fifths.

Sort by A440 frequency to see ascending pitches again.

pitch	2^	3^	P^	A440 frequency	cents from equal temperament
C	0	0		262.513	6
C#	8	-5		276.557	-4
D	-3	2	-2/6	293.997	2
Eb	5	-3		311.127	0
E	-6	4	-4/6	329.256	-2
F	2	-1		350.018	4
F#	10	-6		368.743	-6
G	-1	1	-1/6	392.882	4
G#	7	-4		414.836	-2
A	-4	3	-3/6	440.000	0
Bb	4	-2		466.690	2
B	-7	5	-5/6	492.769	-4

The Dolmetsch site uses this method.

--Bavi H (talk) 07:50, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

At Kyle Gann's website, there is a table of the cent values of Thomas Young's temperament of 1799. Gann says he keeps his grand piano tuned to this temperament. I have taken the cent values from Gann's table, and calculated the frequencies (assuming A at 440 Hz) and the cent offset from A440 equal temperament. Except for Eb, the frequencies closely match the ones in Bavi H's first table, and the offsets agree with our article, when rounded to the nearest cent.

Pitch	C	C#	D	Eb	E	F	F#	G	G#	A	A#	B	C
Cents (Young temp):	0	93.9	195.8	297.8	391.7	499.9	591.9	697.9	795.8	893.8	999.8	1091.8	1200
Assuming A=440 Hz	262.564	277.199	294.004	311.847	329.228	350.461	369.589	392.925	415.785	440.000	467.782	493.313	525.128
Difference, cents	6.2	0.1	2	4	-2.1	6.1	-1.9	4.1	2	0	6	-2	6.2

If anyone's interested in hearing what this and other non-equal temperaments sound like, the recording "Six degrees of tonality" (review) by pianist Enid Kathan may be of interest (available on Spotify). Unfortunately, there is no comparison of Young temperament with other temperaments, but Beethoven's piano sonata no 31 in Ab major in Young temperament sounds beautiful to me. Mozart's Fantasia no 3 in D minor is used for comparing Quarter comma meantone, Prelleur 1731 temperament and Equal temperament. Parts of it sound pretty awful in Quarter comma meantone, while Prelleur 1731 sounds good to me. --NorwegianBlue ^talk 20:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

All those tables here give pitches just from Cx to Bx, I was asking for the formula or more notes frequencies, and not just 12.201.78.194.30 (talk) 18:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The "formula" for calculating above and below that one-octave range is trivial: You double the frequency for a note placed one octave higher, quadruple for two octaves higher, octuple for three octaves higher, and so forth: If c′ (or C4 or middle C) measures 262.564 Hz, then you get: 525.128 Hz for c′′, 1050.256 Hz for c′′′, 2100.512 Hz for c′′′′, ... Likewise, you halve the frequency for a note lying one octave lower, quarter it for two octaves lower, divide by eight for three octaves lower, ... >> 131.282 Hz for c, 65.641 Hz for C, 32.8205 Hz for C͵ and so forth. You can use the same simple calculation for all other 11 notes of the scale from subsubsubcontra to sopraninissimo. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Simon Cadell

Wasn't Simon Cadell in a Play For Today (television) programme called "Mr Axelby's Angel"? I didn't see it listed in his bio.

Thanks!

F. Hanson — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.8.132.253 (talk) 20:13, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

There was a 1974 ITV Playhouse called "Mr. Axelford's Angel" - but he wasn't in it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:10, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Ronald McDonald vs. Big Bird and Grimace vs. Mr. Snuffleupagus

Not an appropriate question for a reference desk, so let's not even start
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The yellow bird and his best friend face off against the McDonald and his best friend. Who would win in a fight: Ronald McDonald fights Big Bird while Grimace takes on Mr. Snuffleupagus. Who wins? Stoned stoner (talk) 20:35, 4 October 2013 (UTC) What's the matter with you, are you stoned? μηδείς (talk) 20:40, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

October 5

James Bond theme song

A 1924 movie by Buster Keaton ,Sherlock Jr. has the James Bond theme song in it. Why is this not mentioned the article about the James Bond theme song? 98.114.129.240 (talk) 01:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Which theme song are you referring to? As far as I know, every James Bond movies uses a different one. If you think something should be added to an article, be bold. RudolfRed (talk) 01:25, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

The OP is referring to the James Bond Theme. Dismas|^(talk) 01:43, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

• A movie from 1924 would have been silent, and its producers likely did not possess a time machine with which to obtain a score written in the 60's. The likely explanation is you are watching a modern re-release of the 1924 movie to which a recent score has been added. μηδείς (talk) 02:03, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Here we go. This reviewer of the Club Foot Orchestra's 1990s score for the film mentions the anachronistic James Bond theme, as do the two commenters.[3] Clarityfiend (talk) 03:20, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

To answer the OP's question (or at least put in my two cents), it's not a particularly significant score, so I don't think it should be mentioned. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:14, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Unknown film

You all were so helpful a couple of days ago, I figured I'd try my luck once more. I'm trying to recall a film I saw about 20 years ago; maybe longer. It was about a man who recruited two youngsters to facilitate his get-rich-quick scheme. His plan was broken down in to 5 "Phases". I don't remember exactly what they were, but it basically involved the kids stealing a large amount of money. Being juveniles, they did a limited amount of time. After they were released, they apologized and returned the money, making themselves heroes in the community. The man, meanwhile, had made a fortune for the three of them from the initial investment. At the end of the film, he takes them to see their new yacht, the name of which is "Phase VI". Joefromrandb (talk) 06:59, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

There's a great Sci-Fi film about ants taking over the world from the 1970's called Phase IV, but it doesn't sound like the prequel to your film. Can you give a setting and a time frame? It sounds like a Walter Matthau vehicle. μηδείς (talk) 01:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Definitely nothing sci-fi about this film. I wish I could give you more, but I don't remember much. The "Phases" were stages of the man's plan. (I don't think it was Walter Matthau, but it was so long ago I could be wrong.) I remember the man saying that "anything over $5000 is grand theft", and there was no extra penalty no matter how much was stolen. During the robbery, the kids smiled and waved, knowing they were on camera. After the robbery, as the intention was to get caught, the kids were throwing money to the crowds in a very public place, possibly an amusement park. I don't know if that helps at all. Joefromrandb (talk) 02:11, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

It's also very reminiscent of the sort of movie Alec Guinness did, which would have dated to around the 50's or 60's. Or maybe Dick Van Dyke. Do you get the impression it was a new film 20 years ago? (PS., the plot sounds very vaguely familiar.) μηδείς (talk) 02:28, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

My best guess would put the film at about 30-40 years old. I highly doubt it was Dick van Dyke. Alec Guiness is a possibility, but that would likely make the film even older. Joefromrandb (talk) 14:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

This sounds more like a 70's plot than an 80's movie. Googling 70's children thieves movie doesn't help. The only suggestion I have at this point is trying to remember an identifying characteristic like a landmark or a cameo appearance. μηδείς (talk) 19:19, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I did a keyword search on IMDB and Google using all of the specific elements you mention but I found nothing that fits your description. Was this an American film? Direct to video? Was it two boys, two girls or a boy and a girl? Any additional info would help, Joefromrandb. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:40, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I have also done multiple searches, to no avail. To my knowledge, it was an American film. I'm fairly sure it was before the direct-to-video days, but it certainly may have been a made-for-television movie. The characters were a middle-aged man and two teenaged boys. Joefromrandb (talk) 01:58, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about the Steve Wilkos show

Are these situations with the shows "guests" or "contestants" "Real"? And is Steve really showing anger is it or is it all put on? In cases where accused child molesters/pedophiles fail lie detector tests, why aren't some cops on stand-by to take the scums from the show to the police station? I am NOT a student of criminal justice or law, so this is a question that has puzzled me. Venustar84 (talk) 20:50, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

I am not aware of this show, but if a polygraph test conducted on a TV program could result in a police charge, that would be the quintessence of trial by media and a travesty of justice. I don't think even the USA justice system has sunk quite that low yet. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 01:13, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I suspect such shows are fake, with the worst of the bunch being Jerry Springer. The scenes of people fighting just seem so repetitive, they have to be staged, and by somebody not all that creative. Just as in a sitcom, I can detect a formula at work, with the fight scheduled for the same time in each episode. StuRat (talk) 01:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Polygraph tests are only admissible in 19 states, and only by stipulation (i.e., with no one objecting), and at the judge's discretion in federal cases. They are basically useless to the prosecution except to provide testimony to impeach. μηδείς (talk) 01:27, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Then if the fights are fake; why is there a phone number to come on the show? Venustar84 (talk) 14:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Money. RNealK (talk) 03:14, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they are real people, not actors (as you can tell by how bad they are at it), but are either paid to fight, or just do it to get on TV. Some people will do just about anything to be on TV (and, ironically, some celebs will do just about anything to avoid being on TV). StuRat (talk) 12:14, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

October 6

Name that tune (more)

This is a restart of the discussion which started October 28th by myself. Given the now archived details, can you identify the tune. drt2012 (talk) 11:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

You mean September 28th, and you might have provided a link to the archived discussion. Since you couldn't be bothered, I'll do it myself. It's here, but I think that discussion had run its course and that the chances of you getting any more answers are at best slim. --Viennese Waltz 11:55, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

September 28th then, I still haven't received the correct answer yet, so This discussion isn't over. drt2012 (talk) 16:57, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

What is the correct answer, then? I acknowledge you've given us some extra info, but it's still at the level of a guessing game. We've made numerous suggestions, all of which have failed to hit the bullseye. Bottom line: You can keep the question live forever, but until you give us more useful clues, it won't be answered. To recap, here's what we know so far:

• bird's name, possibly eagle or similar
• word suggesting up in the air
• orchestral and triumphant
• lot of bass drum
• E-flat major
• in middle section, xylophone or marimba repeatedly plays E-flat
• 120-160 bpm tempo
• In the same key and in a similar tempo to the Universal Studios theme - here
• 4/4
• Not a march
• Not Irish, sounds more American

Over to you. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:52, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

What the hell; I'll play. It is a march, but what came to mind after reading Jack's précis above was Josef Wagner's Under the Double Eagle. It's certainly a favorite with bands. Deor (talk) 21:14, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Why don't you go that website where you can record something, and hum or whistle that tune that's stuck in your head? You might get a quick answer. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:04, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I think BB is referring to Musipedia. Other music identification sites are available.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:28, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Deor, it is not "under the double eagle", because that tune is in 2/4 timing and my tune is in 4/4 timing. drt2012 (talk) 15:19, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

If it helps, my tune was played at the prizegiving and summer concert of Cumnock Academy, in Ayrshire, Scotland this year. drt2012 (talk) 15:22, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easier for everyone if you just asked them? Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Jerry van Dyke, the Simpsons, and Australia

In a 2006 ep of The Simpsons, "Kill Gil episodes 1 and 2" the passing of time is shown using the customary image of a calendar's pages turning, showing the days one after another. One of the days shown was Jul 27 and the page noted "Jerry van Dyke's Birthday (Australia)". As an Australian who loves this show, I was intrigued as to what this signified, but cannot find anything much with a google search, except of course that Jerry van Dyke is Dick van Dyke's younger brother. What is the joke here, which has <<Whoosh>>ed right over this OP's head? Myles325a (talk) 12:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

That wording would imply a holiday that's celebrated only in Australia. Jerry has always played second fiddle at best. (He was even upstaged as the supposed star of My Mother the Car.) An equivalent joke would be to celebrate the birthday of Zeppo Marx, or Tommy Aaron. The other part of that joke is just making fun of Australia. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:24, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

OP myles325a back live. Oh, I see, and it hurt my heart. So we Ozzies are like nothing to the Simpsons' creators, even tho we love the show and always have. We are just a joke to them, and so is Jerry. I feel deflated...Myles325a (talk) 15:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Hold on thar, mate. The Simpsons makes fun of everything. And it's entirely possible that alleged holiday was some kind of inside joke among the show's creators. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:21, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

I think it's a joke about calendars, too. Calendars published for multiple regions will often have holidays on them that are unique to each country, often something foreigners won't understand. These are printed as "Civic Holiday (Alberta)" or "Arbor Day (USA)". This is probably making a joke on that as much as Australia or Jerry Van Dyke. Mingmingla (talk) 17:33, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Very possibly. That could have been their starting point. And then the writers just came up with the most absurd non-holiday they could think of at that moment. Like having a national holiday for Zeppo Marx in Outer Mongolia. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:02, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Or Jerry Lewis's Birthday in France. Deor (talk) 09:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Or David Hasselhoff's birthday in Germany. StuRat (talk) 12:09, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

If you're surprised to see Australia as the subject of a joke, then I take it you're not familiar with the episode Bart vs. Australia. Katie R (talk) 19:03, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

October 7

Trying to get to you

I’m looking for the lyrics of the song “Trying to get to you” by Elvis, a live version, it’s a tad longer than the original but at the same time is kind of faster and the people in the bg don’t let me hear it entirely…

This is the info from the file proprieties: “THE COMPLETE ELVIS PRESLEY MASTERS\Disc 29\track_#_12.AAC”

Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 01:45, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you not able to access google or youtube? One site has these yrics, but I don't know if they are different from the studio version. http://www.lyricsfreak.com/e/elvis+presley/trying+to+get+to+you_20661396.html μηδείς (talk) 05:10, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Here is one that says it's the live version and here is the studio version. I hope one of these answers your question. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 12:43, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Google hardly, YouTube I’m not It’s hard to explain, I’m living in Cuba!

Liz, thank you very much, it seems the first link is what I was looking for

thank you both Iskánder Vigoa Pérez (talk) 19:32, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Dimensions

Can you change the dimensions of a ballpark midseason? 71.146.9.251 (talk) 04:33, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I can't imagine why not, since you can move to another park, and both teams are playing on the same field--but you might want to ping Baseball Bugs who posted in the thread above for an actual answer. μηδείς (talk) 05:07, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

It's not allowed, although I didn't find it in the rules book. I think it might be one of those "league rules". Once you lay out the fences, you're stuck with it for the season, unless you can get permission from the league. This could be called the Bill Veeck rule, as he was known for fiddling with the positions of the outfield fences depending on which team was coming to town. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:21, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

I find it amazing that the dimensions of the playing area are not all the same. I imagine this is grandfathered in, as some older ballparks might have had smaller fields, and it was judged too expensive to require them all to upgrade. StuRat (talk) 12:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Given how some ball parks are laid out, it might not be possible for older stadiums to expand a smaller field into a larger one...they might not have the space. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 12:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

For a fun take on the fact that baseball fields are not uniform see the George Carlin routine here. It is also available on You Tube if you are interested. MarnetteD | Talk 15:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The satirists overlook the fact that the diamond is uniform, as is the rule that the foul lines extend straight to the nearest fence, stand, or other obstruction, and such stuff as that. The fences need to be a minimal distance away from home base, to keep the game from being a total travesty, but other than that it's up to whoever designs the field. This generally true of bat-and-ball games: cricket, softball, etc. I will also point out that a number of the older National Hockey League rinks were of varying size. The width and total length was somewhat flexible. The dimension that was required to be uniform was the distance from the blue line to the goal line. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:44, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Hollywood

How to be a Hollywood actor? --Tortoide121 (talk) 16:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Is this a real question for the ref desk? (O_o). Can we answer that?

Anyways!, get an agent, s/he will look for castings for you. You make the audition and wait to be called. If you don't receive a call, well... you didn't become a Hollywood actor, if you did. COngratulations.

I still thinking this is not a question for the Ref Desk, though Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:22, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

This is one of those questions like "How to be a millionaire?" and the answer is "Step 1: Get a million dollars." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:36, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Or get involve with someone who has a million dollars (joking, not that I'd do that (O_o)). Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 18:39, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Or Carl Sagan's advice for cooking a chicken from first principles. "Step 1: Create the universe. ...." -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 19:10, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Unless Tortoide121 becomes a super duper mad scientist and builds his own little universe or wins the lottery... he better get an agent. :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 19:16, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

The year of release, "There is a meeting here tonight," Joe and Eddie

Joe and Eddie's "There is a meeting here tonight" was listed as released in 1963. In Southern California it was pretty big in 1964 and I have a news release from March 9, 1965 (Tustin Union High School) where the pair was in concert, March 6, still riding their "hit." Was the record actually from 1963, or possibly 1964?

George Kramer The Bountymen 1963-1966 (no recordings) Tustin, California98.112.93.138 (talk) 17:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

This issue of Billboard, dated 15 June 1963, has a short review of their album. I'm not sure if the single was released before or after the album, but it was certainly 1963. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

What is this animation film called?

As I was coming from Palma de Mallorca to Helsinki on a Norwegian Air Shuttle flight (number DY5859 on a Boeing 737-800), I saw a rather interesting animated short film on the viewscreens. It was done entirely with black silhouettes on multi-hued backdrops.

The film's story went this way: There was a man who rode a bicycle to the amusement park. There he went on a rollercoaster, which at one point had a dragon's head where the car entered and another where it exited. After the rollercoaster, the man went on a boat ride, where the boat was towed by a seahorse, which was commanded by a man in a black hood. In the middle of the boat ride, the seahorse hit a toxic oil spill and died instantly. The man with the hood turned to command the passengers to row instead, and the boat was able to pull ashore. There the man went to fly in a hot-air balloon, which flew over oil fields with machines pumping up oil. After the balloon ride, the man went to a multi-stage rocket which flew to an alien planet. There the man changed the landing craft of the rocket to an oil pump machine, but in the middle of the pumping, a giant monster poked the man. The man fired a pistol at it, but the monster kept on poking him, eventually crushing him to death. The monster turned out to be a giant toddler boy who had a giant dog with him. They went home, where the boy's father shot a bird dead in mid-flight. Then the film ended.

Does anyone have any idea what this film was called and who made it? If it helps, directly afterwards was shown an episode of Oggy and the Cockroaches where Oggy's whole house was lifted airborne thanks to too many party balloons. It's not any of the feature-length films shown on the PDF on Norwegian's website, I already checked that. JIP | Talk 18:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)