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October 10

Juno

I typed "Juno" into the search, but id didn't come up with Juno (disambiguation) or the actual disambig page Juno. That makes it hard to get to the disambig page. (1) Is there a way to make one of them show up in the search? (2) Should Juno be moved to Juno (disambiguation)? Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 01:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Seems to be fine. Perhaps try clearing your browser's cache? Rwessel (talk) 02:26, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Are you referring to the drop-down autosuggestions below the search box before you perform the actual search by pressing Enter or clicking the search icon? The autosuggestions are made automatically by the software and not controlled by the editors. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:43, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the drop-down below the search. I often use that to look for a main article or a disambig page. But in this case, neither shows up in the drop-down list - making it harder to find the disambig page. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 03:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

This has frustrated me in the past as well. As disambiguation pages are the "index" for a subject, can't the software be altered to put them at the top of the drop-down? or second if there is a page on the actual subject? Arjayay (talk) 08:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Probably. This conversation may be better at WP:VPT since that's a better place for technical issues. That said, I normally get around such issues by typing the word I'm looking for followed by a left parenthesis, such as Juno (. That one character will pull up the disambiguation page, normally near the top of the results. Dismas|^(talk) 10:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

And in many articles they take out the link to the disambig page at the top of the article because "anyone that finds this is looking specifically for this". If you are typing it in, that is true; but if you are using the drop-down search it is not. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 14:27, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

new topic

Let me know how to post my new write up, a profile on a public figure, on the Wikipedia for public view. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarma Sastrigal (talk • contribs) 03:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No "please" or "thank you"? Go to...(wait for it, wait for it...) WP:AfC. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:41, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Sarma. Your use of the word "profile", and the fact that your account was created today, makes me think you might not be quite familiar with how Wikipedia works. Forgive me if you already understand this, but Wikipedia doesn't have profiles: it has articles. The difference as I see it is that a profile will usually be written by, or with the approval of, the subject. Wikipedia articles do not require the approval of the subject, and sometimes contain things that the subject would not want included (for example, if they have been criticised in the press). On the other hand articles (and especially articles about living people) should be entirely based on reliable published sources and may not contain any promotional languages. If you haven't already read your first article, I recommend you do so before proceeding. --ColinFine (talk) 14:25, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

BACKLOG OF THE WEEK Category:Pages with broken reference names

Hello. Some editors often fight off the vandal hordes, as I do repairing pages with citation errors. If I didn't - there would be a large backlog in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting and in Category:Pages with missing references list as in Category:Pages with broken reference names (more than 1500 yesterday). But it is impossible to work it alone. Do you know how to do a "Blitz" (excuse the comparision) to find willing editors to work on it. It is much more easier to repair references if you do it one hour, one day or one week ago after the errors were made instead of months and years after the error was done. Very, very difficult to find these errors.

Only with WikiBlame Search it is possible to find and repair such errors.

@Redrose64:

Best wishes --Frze ^{> talk} 05:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Have you looked at collaborating with members of a related WikiProject? Something like Wikipedia:WikiProject Citation cleanup might be a starting point. Karenjc (talk) 07:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Chembox

I have just created an article on a chemical compound, indolyl-3-acryloylglycine, and I can't get the chembox to appear, and I was hoping someone could tell me what I did wrong. This, by the way, is the first chemistry article I have ever created, so I don't really have much experience in working with chemboxes. Jinkinson talk to me 16:36, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I've fixed it for you for now; the line | IUPACName = 2-[[(E)-3-(1H-indol-3-yl)prop-2-enoyl]amino]acetic acid has been corrupted, in that the link doesn't feature the required ]] to close it. As I'm not sure what it should say, I've commented it out, but it'll need fixing by someone who knows what it should say, like you. I hope this helps.  drewmunn  talk  17:25, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

How to add a title to my article

Hi, I would like to add a title to my article, but I haven't found a way to do it.

I tried this: {{PAGENAME TITLE}} but it just added this text to my article.

At the moment the article title is user:duncanmccloud...

Thanks Duncan

Your question doesn't make sense. User pages such as User:DuncanMcCloud do not have article titles, they have the title User:ACCOUNTNAME. --erachima talk 17:03, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

So how does the page eventually take on a specific title once it has been approved? I submitted an article under a different account and it was marked to be reviewed but nothing has happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.232.65.207 (talk) 17:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I took a screenshot of my page, it would be easier to discuss if I could send it via email... — Preceding unsigned comment added by GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER (talk • contribs) 17:09, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't need to email anything to anyone. I can see from this username's contributions that the draft you are referring to is in the User sandbox - User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER/sandbox. You have in fact not submitted it to AFC at all, you merely wrote about doing it. To actually do the submission you need to write {{subst:submit}} on the page - at the top is preferred. Hope this helps. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I also looked for User:Duncanmccloud and User:DuncanMcCloud, which are both empty. User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER does have something about a South African sweet called tameletjie. Is it one of these pages you are asking about, or the sandbox that Rodger found (the two are pretty much the same)? If not, it would be easier if you told us the URL of the page. If you really want to use the screenshot, upload it to an image hosting site and tell us the URL of that page.

It would also be easier if you stuck to one login name (unless you really are three different people). Astronaut (talk) 17:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't need to email anything to anyone. I can see from this username's contributions that the draft you are referring to is in the User sandbox - User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER/sandbox. You have in fact not submitted it to AFC at all, you merely wrote about doing it. To actually do the submission you need to write {{subst:submit}} on the page - at the top is preferred. Hope this helps. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:15, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

(after edit conflict)I think that User:DuncanMcCloud is trying to create an article using his user page as a sandbox. However, he didn't do it under that user account, or failed to save the edit. You can email me using the "email this user" function you like, Duncan, but as Roger (Dodger67) there is no need to. Here are some thoughts and info.

Every page has a name, which is also the title for article pages. A page's name is changed with the Move function. there is no need to insert a template to indicate the name. I advise that you use the Articles for creation process to create a draft of an article and have it reviewed by an experienced editor. Failing that, create a page with a name like User:DuncanMcCloud/Article Name and work on your draft there, and ask an experienced editor to review it if you can, once you have the basic contents in place. That editor will move or help you move the article to the proper location if it seems acceptable. DES ^(talk) 17:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

thanks all, it makes more sense now, I created another account thinking the name of the all-caps account was the cause for my article not being reviewed. So do I then submit my article for review and only after that can my article receive a title? Or do I paste User:DuncanMcCloud/Tameletjie at the top of my wiki text to give a title to my article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER (talk • contribs) 17:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I have submitted an article via AFC, but how do I add Tameletjie right at the top of the article above the intro? User:GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER —Preceding undated comment added 18:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

You don't. It will be done by the reviewer who aproves it - by moving the article to the Tameletjie page. BTW the stuff described in the article is NOTHING like the tameletjie I know. It is fruit based. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:06, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I think there are different interpretations. Although a Malay person made it for us the way she knew it. I knew them as being completely clear like glass and extremely hard. Thanks for all the help!GROUP 2 TEAM TIGER (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Changing username

How do I make a change to my username — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.79.37.231 (talk) 17:23, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Changing username. Dru of Id (talk) 17:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

CS errors caused by ISBN's

Just wondering if there is a preference or general agreement on fixing CS errors for ISBN... many pages have |isbn=3110134179, 9783110134179 or |isbn=3110134179 |isbn13=9783110134179, both of which cause an error. I am open to suggestions as to how to fix this, maybe with a template change.

Also, is there a preference or general agreement on which ISBN to list if both 10- and 13-digit numbers are available?

Quebec99 (talk) 18:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Use the 13-digit version if available - never both! Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:39, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

More accurately, works published prior to 2007 should use the 10-digit version, because that is what such works would have been originally assigned. But it doesn't greatly matter, because there is a one-for-one correspondance. Any ISBN-10 can be uniquely converted to an ISBN-13, and any ISBN-13 (until we run out of 978- numbers, at least) can be uniquely converted to an ISBN-10. But I agree, never list both. However when there are multiple editions of a book, multiple ISBNs might be listed, but surely not in a single citation template. DES ^(talk) 19:02, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. Quebec99 (talk) 14:42, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

List of Malayalam films of 2013

a small mistake wiki,please change the mistyped month, actually it is OCTOBER not OCYOBER

regards' sarathnt --Sarathnt (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)--Sarathnt (talk) 19:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you believe an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the edit this page link at the top.
The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). DES ^(talk) 19:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

 Fixed [1]. Dru of Id (talk) 19:12, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Adding References

I am trying to add more references to my article and it is saying that I do not have {{reflist}} at the top but I do. How do I fix this?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Melissa jf893 (talk • contribs)

The {{reflist}} part goes at the bottom, below a header that says "references" or something of the sort. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed here. Dismas|^(talk) 21:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Robin Bigsnake

I was freading the article on Robin Bigsnake. He was not charged with impaired driving causing death. Please remove this from your page as he was cleared of all charges. We will proceed further if this is not taken down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.174.134.181 (talk) 19:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

I'll take a look if you quit making what appear to be legal threats. Bit of kindness will get you far. Threats will get you blocked. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

The article is reliably sourced and i can find nothing online about Robin Big Snake being cleared of any or all charges. Can anyone else? Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 20:21, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Even if he was cleared, he was still charged, and that is sourced. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

However, if he was cleared, and that fact is reliably sourced, it should be added. [[[WP:NLT|Do not make legal threats]]] in Wikipedia. If you want a fact added to an article, provide a reliable source rather than making demands. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I think that there is a genuine WP:BLP problem here - The article states, with sources, that Big Snake was charged in 2010. And just leaves the statement hanging there. This is far from satisfactory, and I'd suggest that unless a source can be found which tells us the outcome of these charges, we should seriously consider removing the relevant paragraph, per WP:BLPCRIME. I've had a quick search online, and can't find anything myself, but maybe someone else will have more luck. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I've deleted the paragraph on Mr. TheGrump's recommendation. I couldn't find any published record about the outcome, be it conviction or dropped charges. Having read WP:BLPCRIME policy, I think I agree that it doesn't seem necessary to include the information. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:15, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikiproject Japan?

Is there a Japanese wikiproject on English Wikipedia? I need to link EarthStar.jp to a film named "State of Emergency" to prove they are a distributor. I've tried Google Translate with no luck. The film may be called "Last 4" in Japan, according to the IMDB. I don't read Japanese so i'm looking for someone who can or can link the film and distributor above. Thanks a bunch ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 21:30, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Japan. Dismas|^(talk) 23:34, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'm still not very good at searching for Wikiprojects...ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 12:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I also have trouble looking for specific WikiProjects. The closest I have found is Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Directory. XOttawahitech (talk) 13:45, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Uploading Images

Hello, I still have a problem with inserting images. I'm doing an article and I have a photo that has been sent to me by the subject of the article, so I do not 'own' the photo but the sender of the photo does. But this person wants me to post his/her photo in the article about them and to put the photo in the public domain. I would like to see simple steps that Wikipedia will accept for me to be able to insert such an image into my article(s). Bwisok (talk) 21:52, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Bwisok - just need to look over Help:Introduction to uploading images - then use Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard - if you still have questions just ask us again. -- Moxy (talk) 22:01, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, no. You must have the owner (the subject presumably) send this form authorizing the release in the public domain. ~Charmlet ^-talk- 23:08, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, the copyright owner is the photographer, not the subject, unless it was a work-made-for-hire by a phototgrapher who is a regular employee, or the photographer had a contract specifically granting copyright to the subject or the person who commissioned the photo, or the photographer later sold the copyright. None of thse is common, the photographer owns the copyright in most cases. Charmlet is correct that the copyright owner must fill out and send in the consent form, or otherwise publish the photo under a free license (CC-BY-SA or otherwise compatible with Wikipedia). DES ^(talk) 23:18, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

To summarise the advice above: go to Wikipedia:Permissions#When_permission_is_confirmed. Follow the process in that paragraph to upload the picture, get the copyright holder to send the email confirming permission using the form of words Charmlet mentioned, then put the OTRS pending tag on the image's page, which alerts volunteers to the fact that the permission for this particular image is on its way and reduces the risk of deletion. When the permission has been received and checked, somebody will change the tag on the photo to confirm that it is properly licensed. You can then insert it into your article. -Karenjc (talk) 07:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

October 11

Please explain the edit filter

I still haven't fully understood the exact use of the edit filter. All I do know is, we can use it while looking at recent changes to catch obvious vandalism and unconstructive edits. Besides this, is there anything else I'm not getting? what are its other uses? why are there false positve reports when all it does is tag edits?

This may have been asked multiple times before, but I've spent considerable amount of time searching for this at the archives and at WP:Edit filter. I strongly feel that this answer should be added to the help page or other similar pages. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:30, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Edit filter#Actions which can be assigned in response to filtered edits lists other possible actions than merely tagging the edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Crooklands

Hi You have Crooklands as being South Lake district. I have been informed by someone who lives in the area that it is known as Crook and not Crooklands.

There is also a Crooklands area near Clapham in Yorkshire. There is a guest house of the same name. I know this for a fact as a relative named William E Handby who lived 1743 to 1804 has a plaque on his grave stone stating he was the Yeoman of Crooklands. He lived in Ingleton, Bentham and Clapham during his life time. I can attached a picture of the plaque if you wish — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyingpig15 (talk • contribs) 10:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Flyingpig. I guess you are referring to the article Crooklands. The references (one of which pointed to a page which has been moved, but I've corrected it to the current location of the page) clearly establish that the place is called "Crooklands". If you can find a reliable published source which says that it is also known as "Crook", you are very welcome to edit the article to add this; but unpublished personal information is not acceptable, because a reader has no way of checking whether or not it is accurate.

On your second point, a Wikipedia article should be on only one topic. If there is another place called Crooklands, there could be a Wikipedia article on it (there are ways of getting the articles to cross-reference to each other, or to create a disambiguation page which points to each), but as far as I can see today that Crooklands is just a building, not a locality, so there should not be an article unless there is substantial coverage of it in reliable published sources. --ColinFine (talk) 13:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Crooklands is to the South-East of Kendal; Crook is a different village, to the North-West of Kendal. - David Biddulph (talk) 13:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Virus on source website

I am reviewing articles at the Afc, and when I clicked on this link (maybe don't do that now...) http://www.populationofindia.co.in/bihar/kishanganj/bahadurganj/.goabari, my virus checker reported that it had prevented a virus from entering my computer. Unfortunately, the message with the exact name of the virus disappeared before I could record it. Is there anything further that I should do about this? —Anne Delong (talk) 11:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I would add a hidden note to the effect it may contain a virus after the link, to warn any future reviewers. You could also remove it; Just make the issue clear in an edit summary. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

How can people be allowed to lie in Wikipedia? Article 'Charles Towns' belladonna cure

The informaton in this article is extremely biased, INACCURATE and actually slanderous! Wikipedia, please sort it out - because like it or not, it does reflect back on you, when you allow people to spread lies and misleading articles to be displayed on your pages. I am very disappointed and have lost faith in your website as a source if this is the sort of thing you allow. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.176.176.190 (talk) 11:56, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't see any information about Belladonna at the article titled Charles Hard Townes, which is the only article about a person named Charles Townes at Wikipedia. Could you, perhaps, indicated the exact name of the article where you found the problem, or give a link to it? --Jayron32 12:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Please also mind what you say - legal threats are taken very seriously. "slanderous" has many legal connotations. --Mdann52talk to me! 12:15, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the IP is referring to Charles_B._Towns#The_Belladonna_Cure although it seems well sourced to me - what do you think is inaccurate? - Arjayay (talk) 12:12, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Although on reading further the article does state "This article may be unbalanced towards certain viewpoints" and relies on one source. Please tell us what, specifically, are you objecting to? Arjayay (talk) 12:17, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I don't know if that article or section is inaccurate, but since it deals only with people who have been dead for 50 years or more, slander cannot be an issue. If there is inaccuracy or bias, of course we still want to correct that. DES ^(talk) 15:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I think the IP could also benefit from a reminder that not everything is a conspiracy or a deliberate agenda. Wikipedia content is provided by regular human volunteers from around the world, and sometimes bad information, promotional language, schizophrenic ramblings, and the words "booger butt" get injected into articles. Taking the initiative to fix these things is more valuable to the project than shaking your fist. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

linking to Wikipedia pages when the text you want to link is different from the headline of the article

How do I do this in the editor? Say if I want to link "Snow White" to the article about the Disney heroine, which is titled "Snow White (Disney)".Disneyess29 (talk) 12:28, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Piped link - it's also worth reading Wikipedia:Pipe trick Arjayay (talk) 12:41, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

So in your example, the syntax would be [[Snow White (Disney)|Snow White]] and the result would be Snow White. - Karenjc (talk) 12:46, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

With the pipe trick you can abbreviate [[Snow White (Disney)|Snow White]] to [[Snow White (Disney)|]], and still result in Snow White. - David Biddulph (talk) 14:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Where to find the boxes in a simple biography

Hi, I'm looking for a simple template that will help me write a simple biography of a living person. I find in most biographies there are standard headings and sub-headings as well as a box on the right-hand side for the photo of the person and his date/place of birth etc. Where do I find or include such a box in the page? Thank you.

Peminatweb (talk) 13:42, 11 October 2013 (UTC) peminatweb

Take a look at Category:People infobox templates, there are many options to choses from depending on what the person concerned is notable for, for example there are infoboxes for actors, politicians, athletes, academics, etc. For the basic layout of a biographical article look to WP:MOSBIO for guidance. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:54, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

That was useful. Thanks a lot. 14:07, 11 October 2013 (UTC)~~peminatweb — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peminatweb (talk • contribs)

Removing information

Why is it permitted for people to remove current information from say : an American politician??? And who makes the decision, or is there someone making a decision, to put the info removed, back? I hope you can understand what I'm asking. So, let me give you an example. I looked up Rand Paul a few weeks ago and read about his controversial views on the civil rights. I looked him up the other day, and this information had been removed. Can someone explain how this happens? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.147.28.77 (talk) 14:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

It's permitted to remove info because Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If an editor finds something on Wikipedia that they feel doesn't follow Wikipedia's policies, they are free to remove it. The information you mentioned could have been removed for any number of reasons: it could have been unsourced, not written from a neutral point of view or in violation of Wikipedia's Biographies of Living Persons policy. Howicus (Did I mess up?) 14:51, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I wanted to know about removing inoformation. Is there someone who oversees what is being removed, and if there is, how long do I have to wait to see the info put back? Here is what I'm talking about. I looked up Rand Paul a few weeks ago and was reading about his controversial views on the civil rights. Now I went back to find something else out about him the other day, and this information was removed. What's up with that??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lease777 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

As it says at the top of our home-page "Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." There is no-one "in-charge" but 149 editors have that page on their watchlist, so it is well supervised.
Having looked at the history of Rand Paul it appears you are mistaken. You said you looked him up a few weeks ago, since when information on his "controversial views on the civil rights" had been removed. Having looked through the page history, there have been a few very minor changes - spelling corrections, links etc. but the only thing that has been removed in the last six months relates to his opinion on the use of drones.
If you wish to see old versions of the page you can do so by using the "History" tab at the top of that page, which will allow you to access every single version of the page that has ever been available - although I would warn you that there are 1,647 of them. Arjayay (talk) 15:31, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Or maybe you are thinking of the material still in Rand Paul#General campaign. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:18, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Leon Roger Payne

My NAME IS HOMER BENTLEY AND I HAVE LIVED IN PALESTINE,TEXAS ALL MY 73 YEARS, AND IN YOUR BIOGRAPHY OF LEON ROGER PAYNE IN THE PART ABOUT HIM PERFORMING ON OUR RADIO STATION IN THE 1930'S YOU HAVE THE CALL LETTERS KWET, AND THE CORRECT LETTERS ARE KNET, WHICH IS STILL ON THE AIR. I KNOW BECAUSE I WORK FOR THE SISTER STATION KYYK.64.188.255.182 (talk) 14:59, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

This seems to refer to the article Leon Payne. The only cited source is off-line, and I can't readily check it. Is there a published source which confirms the correct information? DES ^(talk) 15:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I was able to confirm that KNET is the call sign of a current radio station in Palestine, TX. But our article says that it was only assigned that designation in 1987. Due to the US Federal government partial shutdown, the cited source is not currently online, so i can't easily confirm this. There apparently is currently a KWET in Oklahoma, but that call sign may have been assigned elsewhere in the past. DES ^(talk) 15:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

@DESiegel: Hi DES, I risk insulting you by asking if you checked TheWaybackMachine. (No insult intended! ) This isn't familiar territory to me, so I don't know if any of these will be helpful: [2] or [3]? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Cyphoidbomb, you will never insult me by asking if I checked a plausible source, unless I said I did in the msg begin responded to. No I didn't check the wayback machine and I should have. However, the page I wanted was the "callsign history" linked from KNET, and the WBM doesn't have that archived, probably because it is the result of a DB query. The other two pages you kindly linked to don't have (or else I missed) any data on the question: "Exactly when was the callsign KNET assigned to this station? Was there an earlier station in that town with a callsign of KWET, or not?" That is what I'd like a source for. Well better yet would be a source that explicitly mentions the 1930s performance the OP refers to, and gives the callsign of the station involved. Thanks anyway. DES ^(talk) 22:00, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia bio on Fernando Fischmann privacy concerns

Dear Help Desk

I´m contacting you on behalf of Mr. Fernando Fischmann in relation to the disclosure of private information on him in a Wikipedia article about him located in the following link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fernando_Fischmann.

I understand that Wikipedia has an editorial policy on biographic articles on living persons that, in our oppinion, has not been followed on this ocassion.

Mr. Fischmann is not a public figure and is known only due to the fact that he is the founder of Crystal Lagoons, however the article contains personal information on Mr. Fischmann's life, family, and his full name that are totally irrelevant and off topic to his only source of notability, his professional work.

Mr. Fischmann is requesting that, to protect his privacy, his personal information, including full name, family information on his grandparents, parents, sister and other sensible information, such as the one related to his etnicity and the fact he comes from a family of inmigrants, be removed from the article.

We´ll be thankfull for a favorable response and will be waiting for your feedback.

Best regards,

Ignacio Rivera — Preceding unsigned comment added by Quorumcomunicaciones (talk • contribs) 16:16, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

The Biographies of living people noticeboard is where you should bring this up. This Help Desk is more for technical help. InedibleHulk (talk) 17:45, October 11, 2013 (UTC)

Above copied to Talk:Fernando Fischmann and subsequent comments moved there, in order to avoid duplicate threads. --Noyster (talk) 09:52, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Blocked from moving when I shouldn't be?

For some reason I am getting an error message when trying to move Eric Meyer (disambiguation) to Eric Meyer. As far as I can tell, I should be permitted to complete the move, since the target is a redirect with no editing history. —Akrabbim^talk 16:37, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

This move will need an admin, because Eric Meyer is a redirect to a third page, Eric A. Meyer, not a redirect pointing back to Eric Meyer (disambiguation). From WP:MOR, "If the new title already exists but is just a redirect to the old title..." -- John of Reading (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

...and I've edit-conflicted with OrangeMike, who is in the process of doing the move for you. -- John of Reading (talk) 17:06, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Alright, I see now. That is a pain. —Akrabbim^talk 17:08, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Finding problem articles by category

Hello all :) I'm back (or thinking of coming back) from a long wiki-break, and am looking to see if there is a way to say find say, unreferenced articles which are about biology? I'd love to work through articles like these, but can't really do it at the moment as I can't find a way of doing this. WP:BIOLOGY has no list of articles or category, and WP:CATSCAN is taking too long/isn't working (probably due to the large size of Category:Articles lacking sources). Thank-you very much. Acather96 (talk) 18:35, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

How to add an article for clean up

Seidenbeutel brothers needs a clean up. How can I put it in the Category:Articles needing cleanup from October 2013? (Please use simple English to answer.) Thanks --Frze ^{> talk} 19:09, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

It's been listed there. --    L o g  X   19:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Resolved

 – Frze ^{> talk} 19:33, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Using ASIN parameter in {{Cite AV media}}

Hi, does anyone know how to use the parameter named asin-tld for Amazon sites other than the US? I tried "asin-tld" as parameter and "asin-de", but neither works. The id I want to cite is B000NVIERC on the article "Balderschwang Yew" (first citation), the url should be www.amazon.de/dp/B000NVIERC. Thank you! Hekerui (talk) 19:40, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Fixed, I think, using "asin" and "asin-tld" diff. -- John of Reading (talk) 21:01, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! The template description was not easy to grasp for me. Best regards Hekerui (talk) 08:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Ramtha's School of Enlightenment

Hi there! I'm looking for help on the discussion page for Ramtha's School of Enlightenment. I have researched the school and written a new version of the page that I would like other editors to consider, but I'm having a hard time finding people to review. I've done this work on behalf of the school and have been advised about editing with a "conflict of interest" so I will not edit the entry myself. I'm hoping someone here wants to help or can point me somewhere I might be able to find help. The entry has some issues that I'd really like to get sorted out. Calstarry (talk) 20:27, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I take it that your draft is at User:Calstarry/Ramtha's School draft, is that correct? DES ^(talk) 20:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

If DES is right, the current version of the article is more neutral in point of view. Yours is sanitised, omitting the fact that the movement is widely (not just by former students) regarded as a cult. It is also written in language that assumes, with no evidence, that "Ramtha" actually existed. Maproom (talk) 21:35, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

comments to editors

rather than "edits" to an article: how to do"

Example, re "RSVP(invitations): In colloquial ("secretarial") American usage (where the rot is not understood) "to please RSVP" has come to mean: please let us know IF you'r coming (not WHETHER you're coming)! The opposite (and much better) is "regrets only". Would someone there like to do the actual editing?

HOW DO I SUBMIT?? (Will SAVE PAGE do it?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kocks8 (talk • contribs) 23:49, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm unclear on what you're asking. Do you want some changes made to the article on RSVP (invitations)? Perhaps some of the links that I'll leave on your talk page as part of a welcome will help you sort out what needs to be done. Dismas|^(talk) 02:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

@Kocks8: I too am unclear on what you're asking. If you're suggesting that American etiquette only requires a response to an RSVP *IF* the recipient plans to attend, that claim should be sourced by an reliable authority (or authorities) on American etiquette, lest we are just reporting/grumbling about personal observations/"these kids of today!" On the other hand, if you are asking how to leave a comment for an editor instead of edit the article, find the name of the editor you wish to contact, and click the TALK link that is usually to the right of their names. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

October 12

Removal of Unauthorised Religious Images

Hello Team Wiki

Remove the images mentioned in below link as they are against Islamic believes of displaying images of Prophets and their apostles.

The images displayed are neither approved by the people of Islamic faith nor have we granted any such requests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Investiture_of_Ali_Edinburgh_codex.jpg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Balami_-_Tarikhnama_-_Battle_of_Siffin_(cropped).jpg

Have the images removed at the earliest to avoide any disconcent amongst muslims.

Regards Obaid — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.222.5 (talk) 01:31, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOTCENSORED. We neither request approval for images from religious (or other) organisations, nor remove them on request. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:41, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

We do respect copyright law, and we take care to remove material which is, or which might be, in breach of it. But both images were published over 500 years ago, so no copyright law applies to them. Maproom (talk) 07:26, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Lack of bias and improper linking in Sparkman High School page related to recent student death

This reference (^ Boy, 15, kills himself after ‘facing expulsion and being put on sex offender registry’ for STREAKING at high school football game, by Lydia Warren, 10 October 2013, The Daily Mail) links to a British page which is a tertiary source referencing a Huntsville, AL news channel. However, WHNT has removed the article due to lack of accuracy and liability concerns. This should be removed and page locked until official statements from local authorities are available. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.1.25.129 (talk) 02:53, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Somebody has already removed the contentious information, though for a different reason, explained on Talk:Sparkman High School. Articles are not locked (we call it protected) unless there is persistent vandalism on them. --ColinFine (talk) 18:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving military aircraft (1975–79)...under this article I tried to post an entry about a t33 crash in elma. iv got it posted under the 1977 year , 11 feb. its all there, but doesn't look right. can someone fix it..

under this article I tried to post an entry about a t33 crash in elma. iv got it posted under the 1977 year , 11 feb. its all there, but doesn't look right. can someone fix it.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Genej50 (talk • contribs) 03:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• Done. Next time, when you hit "edit", just follow/copy the format from other entries. And be happy it wasn't a table! Those are a bitch to edit. Drmies (talk) 03:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Language changed from English

Hi

I recently changed my language settings by clicking on the gear icon next to 'Languages' on the leftmost sidebar in the Vector theme, and choosing 'British English' for the display language.

Ever since then, on a great many Wikipedia pages, I get a box popping up on the page saying 'Language changed from English'.

I am experiencing this in Chrome (v 29, Linux), and Konqueror (v 4.11.1, Linux) but have not tried other browsers or operating systems.

Has anyone encountered this too, and is there any way to switch this off? (other than reverting my language choice).

Thank you

Aethalides (talk)

It doesn't answer your question but note that the setting doesn't affect article text and British English is not recommended. See Help:Preferences#User profile. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

unanswered edit request

Hi. Over a week ago I made an edit request for the Tyson Apostol article and it still does not appear to have been answered yet. I've been watching the page's history and it seems that one user has made a few small improvements to the article since I made the request, but he doesn't seem to notice the request itself. So, someone knows that the article exists, but doesn't appear to ever watch the article's talk page. The changes that I have requested are not very big and the article itself is only of minor importance, but one of my requests may involve addressing some BLP and citation issues, so I think that making some of these changes are essential. The other recommended changes are just minor touchups to the article. Anyway, is it possible to get someone to take a look at this? I hope I don't appear to be pushy or demanding about this, but I know how important it is to make sure biographical articles are reliable. Thanks for your time. Sincerely, 108.95.130.150 (talk) 06:36, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, per your request, I've replaced the outdated source with the link you've provided. I've made some other changes too. Will detail on appropriate talk page. Some of your suggestions I did not address, so if there are any other Help Desk volunteers who wish to weigh in, please do so here. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:10, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Putting back site reference I accidentally erased

I accidentally erased a site reference and have no idea how to put it back — Preceding unsigned comment added by RubyClaire63 (talk • contribs) 06:54, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I see that the broken reference has already been mended, by Conduit4sale. Thank you for reporting your mistake. Maproom (talk) 07:14, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Undo 2 or more Versions

In der en.WP gibt es keine Sichtung wie in der de.WP. Z. B. bei Vandalismus gibt es die Möglichkeit des "Rollback" ohne jegliche Zugriffsmöglichkeit bzw. nur mit umständlicher Einsichtnahme in ältere Versionen und Show Changes, wenn ein Benutzer in mehreren Schritten vandaliert hat.
Meine Frage: Undo kann man nur jeweils eine Version. Gibt es irgendwie eine simple Variante des Undo 2 or more Versions (wie es in der de.WP über Sichtung aufheben möglich ist)? Vielen Dank und schönes WE --Frze ^{> talk} 07:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

@Frze: Hello, I'm not sure if you intended to post your question on the English Wikipedia, but you did. Can you please translate your question into English, or re-post it wherever you originally intended to post it? Thank you, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:29, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:I am a rollbacker. So you could revert/undo two or more versions in one quick step, but it is impossible to correct something. Undo is possible only for the last version, and it allows me to correct the revert. My question: The german Wikipedia has the tool "Rückgängig" for more versions with possibility of correction. The english Wikipedia needs the tool Undo 2 or more Versions. If you will do it, it is very difficult to go in the history to check the last versions, then edit one, click the button "Show changes"... Three or more steps. Maybe this is a question for the village pump. --Frze ^{> talk} 07:50, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I can do this in fewer steps with navigation popups. From the history page, I can point at the date/time link of the relevant old revision and pick "Actions > Edit this revision" from the pop-up menu. -- John of Reading (talk) 08:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

@Frze:I think that the equivalent of 'Rückgängig' is 'undo'. (And 'undo' is different from 'revert'(rollback)). 'Undo' allows you to undo multiple revisions and also allows you to correct. To undo: go to history →‎ select the revisions using radio buttons →‎ click 'Compare selected revisions' →‎ click 'undo'. (And I believe that you will have to do all these steps with 'Rückgängig' as well). Also see Help:Reverting#Undo. Hope this helps.···Vanischenu (mc/talk) 20:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

WILLIAMSON AMPLIFIER

<redacted book advertisement> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.113.222.164 (talk) 07:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

@109.113.222.164: Hello and welcome to Wikipedia! Did you have a question about how to use Wikipedia? That is what this Help Desk is for. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:47, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Ann Winterton - parliamentary career

Why is it every time i put a few words on her career, it is deleted. I have 3 sons in the army who have served in Irag and Afghanistan and I am gratefull to Winterton for the work she did in promoting safer vehicles, without her efforts many more would have been killed or badly wounded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.29.76 (talk) 09:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• To add an accomplishment, to a person's article, usually requires a bland, non-promotional statement as a plain fact, plus a footnote which names a document or webpage, to verify the information, as:

She wrote about safety.<ref>"Vehicle safety". ''New York Times''. 28 June 2011.</ref>

Otherwise, a claim of doing something very important in page "Ann Winterton", without a reftag footnote, is likely to be deleted. -Wikid77 (talk) 10:51, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, Wikid77 is right, though I think they could have been clearer. If I search for "Ann Winterton IED protection vehicle" I find a couple of references that show that she asked a parliamentary question about them, so that fact could go in the article (though on its own it's probably not noteworthy, as MP's ask many questions on many subjects). But I don't find any reliable sources which say that she did more than that (there are several hits on a site called Defence of the Realm, but that appears to be a blog. Blogs are usually not regarded as reliable, because there's no editorial control). If you can find a reliable source which says that she was instrumental in increasing the deployment of vehicles, then you could introduce the information into the article again, with a reference to the source - but you shouldn't use an evaluative term such as 'leading' unless the reliable source says this. I hope this makes it clearer. --ColinFine (talk) 18:33, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Sharing WP pages to social websites

Can pages from Wiki be shared to social media? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simone Platzke (talk • contribs) 10:12, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Of course. Just copy and paste the URL. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:20, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Sharebox is a script that reorders your toolbox. It adds new buttons that make it easier to mail, print or share an article on Facebook or another linksharing service. You must have an account to add Sharebox to the sidebar. See User:TheDJ/Sharebox for more information. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Von Glocken

Sudatenland Bohemia I made ref to Von Glocken Bohemia who left that area because of religous persecution 19th centuary. Up until 1910 some of that name survived. I gave you this information as some were Army officers in Hungarian army during war against Prussia. It very possible some were in WW1 German Army. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joerightjustice (talk • contribs) 10:35, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• There is no page for "Von Glocken" so which article do you mean? -Wikid77 (talk) 10:57, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

This user tried adding the family name to the category page. There isn't an article on the Von Glocken family, presumably because they haven't been deemed notable. AlexTiefling (talk) 11:21, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Pushpin map help plz!

Hi all,
I'm currently working on Union of Italian Jewish Communities. The corresponding article in the Italian language Wikipedia - it:Unione delle comunità ebraiche italiane - has a pushpin map locating the towns and cities in Italy that have individual community associations affiliated with the Union. The image File:Italy provincial location map.svg is used across Wikipedias. I've tried my damnedest to import the pushpin map layer code, starting with a single location like Casale Monferrato and its en.wp geo-data, then, erm, starting again with a single location like Casale Monferrato and its en.wp geo-data, but no luck.
Could some kind person possibly help me out with this? Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:16, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• Checking to use {Location map+} for mapping: I am trying to use Template:Location_map+ to put the town dots on the map, but I am also having trouble with towns dropping far below the map, as several lines lower for each dot. I have another mapper, Template:Location_map_all, which I will check for alignment, as an alternative template which will display the town dots correctly on any browser. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Feedback

Dear editors: A question at the Teahouse led me to this talk page where several messages have been left for the user about "feedback" It looks as though the messages have been left using a script of some kind, since they all have the same format. However, the link in the section header is to a nonexistent page. Is there a "feedback" page somewhere that this should link to? Is this related to the "Enable feedback" link on the left menu of an article? —Anne Delong (talk) 12:44, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

It was part of a former feedback system no longer in use. mw:MoodBar#2013 says "February 5: Undeployed from the English Wikipedia". The links worked at the time but special pages (those starting with "Special:") are software-generated with no page history or deletion logs. Special:Log/Kennyzwong confirms the user gave feedback when the system was operational, but that log is the only way I know to currently see anything about the feedback. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks - I learn something new about Wikipedia every day. —Anne Delong (talk) 18:56, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

asap

hello ,one of my classmates name is on that wikipedia page please take it of?! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.122.196.40 (talk) 12:49, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• Have you tried to edit that page to remove the name, by click "[edit]" and then backspace over the name until it is gone? -Wikid77 (talk) 13:18, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Fortunately an astute editor removed the name (twice) from the unspecified article, lest we'd all be wondering what this visitor was talking about. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:32, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Referencing an article

Is it OK if I reference an existing Wikipedia article as a reference for my own article ? Rkmallik talk 13:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if your article is to be in Wikipedia, or outside it, but in both cases the answer is no. Wikipedia is not a reliable source, however, it contains links to third party articles, so you should check the point you are making is covered by these articles, and cite them instead. See WP:CIRCULAR for a fuller explanation, Arjayay (talk) 14:14, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I will keep them in mind Rkmallik talk 15:27, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Solution for Name Dilemma/Ambiguity

I have created a page named "The Dakshana Foundation". But if I search "Dakshana Foundation" in Wikipedia, its not showing my page and asking to create a new page in the name "Dakshana Foundation". I want to show my page in both the search. What's the solution ? Thanks Rkmallik talk 15:25, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

• The title "Dakshana Foundation" was a redirect from April 2012 to a person's name, but I have re-redirected it to page "The Dakshana Foundation" (with word "The"), and now the search will directly display the new page. -Wikid77 (talk) 15:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Copyright violation

Please, have a look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eartha_Kitt#Copyright_violation. Thanks. Jan Arkesteijn (talk) 16:04, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

The issue here is an apparently properly attributed and sourced, but possibly excessive, quote in an article. i have made a comment on the talk page. DES ^(talk) 17:39, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Arnis did not originate from India

Don't know if this is the right place for me to correct your entry in the subject "Arnis". I wonder where did you get the source that Arnis came from or postulated from Silambam of India. Although both employ stick there are no similarities from the two.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.100.155.28 (talk) 19:40, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

The place to discuss the article Eskrima (to which Arnis redirects) would be on Talk:Eskrima. The origins section now cites a source entitles "BRIEF HISTORY of FILIPINO KALI (Arnis, Eskrima)" with a link. I have no idea if this is a Reliable source or not. Do you have a source that says that the two are different? If so, I would advise listing it on Talk:Eskrima. DES ^(talk) 19:52, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

remove

with very sorry i request it that on12/10/2013 i deleted the biography of Iswar chandra vidyasagar full remove it. Today i am going to BIRSINGHA where birth great pandit Iswar chandra vidyasagar. I some thing edit about it. I have an account with you. please arrange with thanks. Confirm me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.196.8.149 (talk) 20:07, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea what this is supposed to say, but I have reverted the recent deletion to Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar. The article clearly needs some help, but there is no explanation given for the deletion. --Onorem (talk) 20:11, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Please note that material in articles must be based on published sources, rather than on personal experience. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:14, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

October 13

Black Philosophers?

Is there anyway Wiki could provide a list of a few Black Philosophers? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.115.69.3 (talk) 02:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

There are a few listed at Category:African-American_philosophers. RudolfRed (talk) 02:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Many in Category:African philosophers will be black, but you have to examine it yourself. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:17, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Missing or empty |title= (help)

I'm not very technical so I didn't understand the help explanation. I tried to site where there is information on what my edit was. It says: ^ . 13 October 2013 http://bringbackmyboys.org. Missing or empty |title= (help) I don't know how to fix it. I had originally typed <ref>{{cite web|url=http://bringbackmyboys.org |date=13 October 2013}}</ref>. Please tell me how to fix this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa Jakobs (talk • contribs) 05:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I assume you are referring to the edits you have made to our article on the Hague Convention on Parental Responsibility and Protection of Children. I am sorry to have to tell you that the source you are citing cannot be used in the way you propose, regardless of problems with formatting the reference. You are using it to make allegations of a crime - and any such allegations would need to come from a third-party reliable source, rather than a website run by an involved individual. In any case, it is entirely inappropriate to go into details of a single ongoing case in the article, in the way you are doing - in an article covering an international convention of worldwide scope. We clearly cannot cover every case affected by the convention, and even with proper sourcing, there appears to indicate that the case you have included is any more significant than others. Given the fact that the source is entirely unacceptable, and given the lack of any third-party reliable source to indicate any particular significance, I am going to remove the material you have added. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:38, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I see someone else has removed the material before me. [4] AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I have restored the deleted material, but replaced the blog reference to a reliable reference, The Independent, one of the many references cited in the blog. I am not claiming that the paragraph's presence in the article is justified; but deleting the whole thing on the grounds that the reference it cited was unacceptable, seems excessive. Maproom (talk) 08:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:BLP policy, without a reliable source, removal of the material was obligatory. AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. There are dozens of media articles about this case including court press releases, but I didn't really know how to handle the siting, I appreciate your guidance on that. I think the case is significant because it's a first for the UK as well as for Russia. Throughout the world this convention has seen very little use to date, but this will change soon. I study abduction law and know that there are dozens of Central Authorities from signatory countries watching this case. I also thought it good for left-behind parents seeking information, the 1980 Convention can't be used with Russia vis a vis most countries, and the few trials have failed. I think it justified that both EU and Russia have their own sections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lisa Jakobs (talk • contribs) 23:11, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

McCann

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann

It claims allegations are "false", however they should surely be worded "unsubstantiated" or at the very least worded such that they are allegations "without concrete/substantial evidence" or something to indicate they are neither proven nor disproven — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.210.106.102 (talk) 07:51, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed changes to the article should be discussed on its talk page. But note that, according to the sources linked to in the article, the newspapers themselves admitted in court that the allegations were both "seriously defamatory" and "utterly false". And please read Wikipedia:Weasel words. - Karenjc (talk) 09:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Edits to https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_McCaffrey

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Barry_McCaffrey is an article about a living person. One author, Materialscientist, posts libelous and untrue statements. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jay.wind (talk • contribs) 08:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I see that you have been removing well-referenced material from the article, on the false grounds that its placement there is "vandalism". Instead, you should discuss the issue on the article's talk page. Maproom (talk) 09:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

You also need to be cautious about using terms like "libel", which could be construed as a legal threat. Judging by your talk page, there are editors who are willing to engage with you over any genuine concerns you may have about the article and try to reach consensus over the wording. Once your block has expired, Maproom's advice is the way to go. -Karenjc (talk) 09:40, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

please delete this page

please delete "List of Slender Man Video Games". i've never seen such a badly written list! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.158.160.201 (talk) 08:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi, and thank you for your comment. Perhaps you might first like suggest how it can be improved on its "talk page". You could also try to improve it yourself! If you think it should be deleted, you can list it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion (this would generally be once you have registered an account). Please do read what you should check before nominating it. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:31, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

To be fair, the article was created about a month ago by an editor who does not have a lot of experience. In my opinion, the list is rather short and can likely be folded into the Slender Man article. Dismas|^(talk) 10:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I posted at the Slender Man talk page to see if someone more familiar with the topic wants to take a look and deal with the list in whatever way they see fit. Dismas|^(talk) 10:41, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Asking for Help on a Page

I have created a page, but I do not have any idea what to class to rate it as, and am wondering if there is a way to ask editors who might be interested in my page to help me with it. Also, how to I ask for someone to review it so I can know what changes need to be made to improve it? Is there a way to nominate an article for review? The page is here: National Weather Service Norman, Oklahoma Dustin talk 17:30, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Why was my article deleted?

I spent countless hours on an article, and now it has been deleted. The article is National Weather Service Norman, Oklahoma. The person who deleted it left this message: No explanation of significance (real person/animal/organization/web content/organized event

What? Seriously? If you delete this article, then you may as well delete every other NWS forecast office page. Please help me! Dustin talk 17:56, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

The deleter, User:Orangemike, didn't even nominate it for deletion, he just flat out deleted it! NWS Norman is significant enough that I would consider that it needs an article. He didn't leave me a message to fix any problems or anything. This is serious! Please, I spent so much time on this article, and I can't just let it be deleted in an instant without even being notified, or asked to fix any problems! Dustin talk 18:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Seriously: no local NWS forecast offices are notable enough to justify an encyclopedia article. That's not to disparage the vital work they do: far from it; it's just the realities of a global project like ours. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

But if you check this page here... List of National Weather Service Weather forecast offices

This one here even achieved Good Article status, even though its been a while since it has been updated: National Weather Service Lincoln, Illinois Dustin talk 18:19, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Come on! I know that a lot of NWS forecast offices don't have pages because there is not much significance to many of them, but this one has a lot of history! And not only that, what are you going to do about the other twenty-or-so NWS office articles? Please! This can't happen! Especially not after all the time that I've spent! Dustin talk 18:35, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Someone please tell me why, when there are over 20 other articles on NWS forecast offices, that my article is the only one to be deleted? I mean, I assumed that with that many different articles, that mine should most certainly not meet the criteria for speedy deletion without any user consensus. I mean, as I have already listed, if these articles are all unimportant, than how are there still so many of them, and how did one of them even achieve GA status? Dustin talk 19:10, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry if it seems that I am posting too often, but to User:Orangemike, or to any user willing to answer, please reply to what I have said! This is a serious issue, and this will not go unanswered! Dustin talk 19:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

I consider all of these to be non-notable; but if some other admin wants to restore the article, I will not whine. Dustin: please note that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not considered a valid argument for creation or retention of an article; and that we are all volunteers. Crying like a baby because you didn't get an answer to your query right away is not going to help you be taken seriously; nor is (figuratively) stamping your feet and demanding attention NOW with vague threats of "this is not going away". --Orange Mike | Talk 20:46, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Liccardo using Wikipedia as a campaign mechanism

Sam T. Liccardo (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Article on Sam Liccardo is directly ripped off of Liccardo for mayor website by user Democratjp. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironbob (talk • contribs) 19:04, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

@Ironbob: Looks like the esteemed User:Orangemike deleted it for unambiguous promotion. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:22, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

What is the first step: A wp:rs or a talkpage consensus?

user:Pluto2012 regularly deletes a lot of my editing.

• I have added a quote (The Diff page) and modified the article (The Diff page) according to the quote. Pluto deleted the quote (The Diff page) and told me to get a consensus. He has undone my well supported article editing as well (while violating the wp:1RR (The Diff page) without a supporting wp:rs to his view.

The consensus is automatically against me, since I am the only regular Israeli editor in this article. Nevertheless , I have to respect it. However, I provide an wp:rs while he deletes my editing without providing a supporting wp:RS. Can I ask him to provide an wp:rs as the first step, and later achieving a consensus ? OR he is right, and the consensus is the first step, does not matter whether he do not have a wp:rs ?

• I have undone his "undone" (The Diff page) and wrote:"the term "invasion" is well supported. the term "intervened" is an error, unless you provide an RS" . He responded in my talk page. It is not the first time that he does not respond to the point, which is "invaded" Vs "intervened" . Again, I provide an wp:rs, while he "promised" to delete my editing, while ignoring my demand to present a supporting wp:rs. Am I right when I ask him for a supporting wp:rs before he deletes my editing? Ykantor (talk) 19:27, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

You are before all a lier who distorts both the way you are in dispute with half a dozen of contributors and also the sources you claim to use in cherry-picking quotes.

The 1st step is to respect what the sourceS say exactly and to respect WP:NPoV when you are aware they are different points of view.

You are perfectly aware you don't comply with WP:NPOV in providing ONE source with ONE quote that complies with what you say when you have been provided MANY sources before that say the contrary and when you don't even take into account the discussion on the talk page about these issues.

Enough is enough. I have lost enough time with you.

Your new story is now the famous "invasion of the newly born State of Israel", which you support by the title of an article of Morris and in removing the fact the Jordan army participated and was the most important one. Funny WP:OR. Morris talks about invasion but invasion of Palestine, as Yoav Gelber. You also forget to mention that you childish intervention repeated the same information in the same sentence, which is totally useless. And of course, you refuse even to imagine that they are other scholars.

YourWikipedia:Civil POV pushing is not welcome on wikipedia. Pluto2012 (talk) 20:06, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Please stop personal attacks. So many words but you do not provide any supporting wp:rs yet. Ykantor (talk) 20:21, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Protesting Against the Deletion of a Page

Is there any was to protest against the deletion of a page, so that users can come to an actual consensus concerning it? This admin deleted a page of mine (National Weather Service Norman, Oklahoma), claiming that it was too unimportant a topic, but I disagree, but don't think I have enough authority. I am fairly sure that there are other admins who agree with me though. Before I created this page, an admin, User:Ks0stm, was even planning to create it, as seen on Ks0stm's To-do list, meaning that there is another admin who disagrees with User:Orangemike. Orange Mike claims that no National Weather Service forecast office is important enough to need a page, but the problem is that if you go to the page, List of National Weather Service Weather forecast offices, you can see that there are over twenty other NWS forecast office pages in existence, disproving him. Not only that, but one of those pages, National Weather Service Lincoln, Illinois, even achieved GA class. I hope that I have provided enough evidence that this article needs to be kept, and I just need to find out how to protest its deletion. To cut it short: How do you protest against the deletion of a page that you created? Dustin talk 20:24, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

 Done responded on User talk:Dustin V. S.. DES ^(talk) 22:02, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Editting name on Wikipedia

When logged out, and searching my company name on Google, the heading, "USER-Co name Wikipedia" appears. How do I remove the "USER" part, so that only the company name and Wikipedia appear? Robert Scott 22:09, 13 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muttfish (talk • contribs)

You have not created an article. You have created a user account in the name of Muttfish, and then used that account's user page to write some promotional text about your own company, violating both the userpage guidelines and the ones about conflict of interest. The text is unsuitable to move into article space as it is unencyclopaedic, in tone, totally lacking in references and gives no indication of how this company satisfies Wikipedia's requirements on notability. You're also in breach of the rules about usernames because Wikipedia doesn't allow usernames that imply an account that edits on behalf of a company. Sorry to throw so much bad news your way, but you probably want to pick another username if you're going to keep editing, and familiarise yourself with some of the policies I've linked to, particularly the ones about conflict of interest. Wikipedia isn't the place to promote your company, I'm afraid. - Karenjc (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

Concern regarding another editor

I have noticed an issue with another user creating a large number of new article-redirects, some which seem to be a COI/bias. I attempted to start a dialog with the person on their talk page, but they blanked it. I do not necessarily feel it is vandalism, but while looking through the other conflict resolution sections I do not feel it fall under any of the noticeboards I have seen. Is there a place I can request an honest review or second opinion of the situation without being confrontational?--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(talk) 23:52, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

@Loriendrew: Hi, when you open a discussion on another user's page, and they delete it, it's presumed that they have read it per WP:REMOVED. So if you are earnestly and frequently approaching the editor with concerns that they are deliberately ignoring your good-faith attempts to discuss controversial content, and they choose to not participate in any discussion, you might want to elevate your concerns either to requests for comment/users or to WP:AN/I It's always a bummer when it comes to that, and as long as you bring your "tophat and tails" civility to the process, and your arguments are sound, you might see remedy in the form of community support. Hope it works out! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:10, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

October 14

reporting problem with an article WP:International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society

I am new to Wikipedia. I tried to report a problem with an article by going to the article's talk page as was the recommended procedure on your HELP section. I received no reply, so I am reporting the problem here as is recommended. As I explained on the article's talk page, I really do not want to edit or be involved with editing. I am a medical practitioner and I am much too busy to get involved in drawn-out discussions. For the most part I believe that Wikipedia's medical articles are well-written and informative. However, I could not help but notice inaccuracies in both the International Lyme and Associated Diseases Society (ILADS) article and the article on Lyme disease. Firstly, ILADS is a medical society rather than a patient advocacy group. There is a difference in that the members of a medical society are health care practitioners or professionals in careers related to health care. Secondly, both articles are written from a biased point of view. Both articles are biased on the topic of Post Treatment Lyme Disease Syndrome (PTLDS) or Chronic Lyme Disease (CLD) -- it really does not matter to me what name you wish to call it. The fact that PTLDS/CLD is a controversial topic is pointed out, but then the article only presents one point of view -- the point of view that persistent infection after antibiotic tratment does not exist. As this is a controversial topic, articles should accurately reflect the controversy -- not just present one point of view. There are peer-reviewed studies representing both sides so why not have your articles reflect this? From 1984 to date there are over 100 peer-reviewed articles that provide evidence that both humans and animals can have persistent infection after antibiotic treatment. It is very irresponsible to not provide up-to-date medical information that reflects the wide range of literature out there. Furthermore, the articles present the NIH and IDSA point of view. It should be noted that on the CDC's website on this topic, while leaning towards the point of view that symptoms related to Lyme disease post-antibiotic treatment are not caused by persistent infection, acknowledges that is is a grey area that needs further study, and I quote: "some health care providers tell patients that these symptoms reflect persistent infection with Borrelia burgdorferi. Recent animal studies have given rise to questions that require further research and clinical studies to determine the cause of PTLDS in humans are ongoing." I have read in Wikipedia's policies that secondary resources published in peer-reviewed journals are considered appropriate medical references. There are some review articles that support the point of view that persistent infection post antibiotic treatment exists. I have noticed in the talk pages on these topics that various editors have tried to make changes. Each time their changes have been removed and not always in a manner that is consitent with Wikipedia's own policies. I have no desire to wast my time, but I would like to report the problems and I hope that these inaccuracies will be corrected.Rogerroger.martin (talk) 00:26, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

@Rogerroger.martin: Hello sir, thank you for following up on your talk page post. Sometimes it takes a little while for interested editors to respond to talk page discussions. I notice that you mentioned on the talk page that you are a medical practitioner, but you are not interested in participating in editing. That's fine, (and to be honest, sometimes the rules around here can be intimidating for new users) but maybe a good approach would be to post (again on the Talk Page) a version of a paragraph (for example) that exemplifies the balanced point of view you are suggesting. Obviously presenting reliable sources is crucial to support a perspective different from the one currently being presented in the article. That's my recommendation in a nutshell. I have no experience with medical articles, so I'm sorry that I can't be of more help than to offer general suggestions, perhaps my fellow volunteers can provide you with information more tailored to your expertise and to your objections. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 04:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Cal Smith

I am Cal Smith's grandson (Calvin Jr.) and the article is incorrect. It states that he has 5 children. it should be survived by wife Darlene, a son, Calvin, 5 grandchildren and 15 great-grandchildren. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.218.44.127 (talk) 02:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for the correction, and my sincere condolences on the loss of your Grandfather. All the best. AJCham 03:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Carrier Strike Group Five Wikipedia-page Update

Dear Sir or Ma'am, The information you have for Carrier Strike Group 5 is outdated and slightly inaccurate. Below is the accurate information that I'd like to request to replace the webpage. Please update at your most earliest convenience. Thank you very much.

If there is an easier method for me to send revised text, please let me know. I would be happy to do so. You can contact me at: (Redacted)

Very Respectfully, MC2 Shannon Heavin CTF 70 Assistant Public Affairs Officer Embarked USS George Washington (CVN 73) Commercial: +(Redacted)

Extended content

Carrier Strike Group Five Carrier Strike Group Five, (CSG-5 or CARSTRKGRU 5), is the U.S. Navy carrier strike group assigned to the Pacific Fleet and permanently forward deployed to Seventh Fleet. U.S. Navy Carrier Strike Groups are employed in a variety of roles across the complete spectrum of warfare of maintaining sea control and projecting air power ashore to humanitarian assistance and disaster response. The CSG-5 Commander also serves as Battle Force Seventh Fleet and Commander, Task Force (CTF 70) for Seventh Fleet. In these responsibilities, CSG-5 serves as the Commander of all surface forces (carrier strike groups, independently deploying cruisers, destroyers and frigates) in the Seventh Fleet area of responsibility. CTF 70 also serves as the Theater Surface Warfare Commander (TSUWC) and Theater Integrated Air Missile Defense Commander (TIAMDC) for Seventh Fleet. The Strike Group Flagship is the aircraft carrier USS George Washington (CVN 73) which also embarks Carrier Air Wing Five (CVW-5). As of June 2013, CSG-5 includes the Aegis Cruisers USS Shiloh (CG 67), which also serves as the Seventh Fleet Ballistic Missile Defense Commander, and USS Antietam (CG 54) which serves as the Air Defense Commander for the strike group. Destroyer Squadron Fifteen (CDS-15) serves as the Sea Combat Commander and is also responsible for the seven assigned Arleigh-Burke class destroyers, USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG 54), USS John S. McCain (DDG 56), USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62), USS Stethem (DDG 63), USS Lassen (DDG 82), USS McCampbell (DDG 85) and USS Mustin (DDG 89). The Strike Warfare Commander is CVW-5 which includes: Strike Fighter Squadrons (VFA) 102, 27, 115 and 195; Electronic Attack Squadron (VAQ) 141; Airborne Early Warning Squadron (VAW) 115; Fleet Logistics Support Squadron (VRC) 30 Detachment 5; Helicopter Maritime Strike Squadrons (HSM) 51 and 77; and Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron (HSC) 12. George Washington and the nine surface combatant ships operate out of Yokosuka, Japan, while CVW-5 operates out of Atsugi, Japan, when not embarked on the George Washington. Together, these units form the U.S. Navy's only continuously forward deployed (and largest) carrier strike group and are critical combat elements of the U.S. Seventh Fleet. History Carrier Strike Group Five was originally established during World War II on April 25, 1944 by Rear Admiral Frank Wagner as Carrier Division Five when he assumed command aboard USS Wasp and USS Hornet in Pearl Harbor. Rear Admiral J.J. Clark succeeded Wagner and commanded the unit through 12 months of sustained combat operations in the Western Pacific and waters surrounding Japan, working for both Third Fleet (ADM William Halsey) and Fifth Fleet (ADM Raymond Spruance). This included participation in the First and Second Philippine Sea Battles and the Iwo Jima and Okinawa campaigns. During the Korean War, Rear Admiral G.R. Henderson commanded Carrier Division Five and served as Commander, Task Force (CTF) 70 and 77 aboard USS Princeton (CV 37). Carrier Division Five moved back and forth between Yokosuka, Japan and the Korean Theater, serving as CTF 70 or 77 on multiple occasions. Prior to the Vietnam War, the location of Carrier Division Five moved between several Pacific ports and utilized rotating carriers from the West coast of the U.S. as its flagship. During the Vietnam War, 12 different commanders led Carrier Division Five and Task Force 77 in numerous combat deployments to the Vietnam War zone. Beginning in 1964 Carrier Group Five was permanently deployed to the Western Pacific and dual-hatted CTF 70/77, homeported at Naval Air Station Cubi Point in the Philippines. Carrier Division Five became Carrier Group Five on June 30, 1973, and in October, Carrier Group Five arrived in Yokosuka, Japan aboard USS Midway marking the first forward deployment of a complete Carrier Task Group in a Japanese port (the associated Air Wing, CVW-5, moved into Atsugi, Japan this same year). Carrier Group Five shifted its forward deployed location from Cubi Point, Republic of Philippines to Yokosuka in mid-1991. Midway remained in Yokosuka for 18 years and was relieved by USS Independence (CV 6) on September 11, 1991. In the lead up to the Gulf War, Rear Admiral Daniel March, Commander, Carrier Group Five, became Commander, Task Force 154 (Battle Force Zulu), part of Naval Forces Central Command. The Task Force led four carriers (USS Midway (CV 41), USS Ranger (CV 61), USS America (CV 66), and USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) in the Arabian Sea/Persian Gulf during Operation Desert Storm. On August 11, 1998, USS Kitty Hawk (CV 63) relieved Independence as the Carrier Group Five flagship. After the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, DC, on September 11, 2001, the Kitty Hawk Battle Group was ordered to deploy to the Indian Ocean and was later involved in combat missions against the Taliban and Al Qaida in Afghanistan. The ships got underway again in January 2003 with orders to deploy to the Persian Gulf as part of the build-up of military forces in the area in preparation for the war against the regime of Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Kitty Hawk arrived on station late February/early March and from March 20 on, participated in air strikes against targets in Iraq as part of Operation Iraqi Freedom. USS George Washington (CVN 73) relieved Kitty Hawk on September 25, 2008. Carrier Group Five was renamed Carrier Strike Group Five October 1, 2004. In 2011, Carrier Strike Group Five participated in two Humanitarian Assistance operations, Operation Tomodachi in Japan and support to Thailand during their worst flooding in 50 years. Command Structure Commander, Carrier Strike Group 5 is responsible for unit-level training, integrated training, and material readiness for the group’s ships and aviation squadrons. As the only continuously forward deployed carrier strike group, CSG-5 does not stand down when the strike group is in Yokosuka, but instead continues to maintain command responsibilities over deploying Carrier Strike Groups and independently deployed cruises, destroyers, and frigates that operate in the Seventh Fleet operating area. The commander and staff are also responsible for the higher level Task Force 70 duties throughout the year in addition to the CSG-5 duties. The composition of the strike group in immediate proximity of the George Washington varies throughout the year. Group commanders since 2000 have included: Rear Admiral Timothy Keating (June 1998 – September 2000) Rear Admiral Robert Williard (September 2000 – September 2001) Rear Admiral Steve Kunkel (September 2001 – February 2003) Rear Admiral Matthew Moffit (March 2003 – May 2003) Rear Admiral James Kelly (July 2003 – July 2005) Rear Admiral Douglas McClain (July 2005 – February 2007) Rear Admiral Richard Wren (February 2007 – December 2008) Rear Admiral Kevin Donegan (December 2008 – May 2010) Rear Admiral Dan Cloyd (May 2010 – April 2011) Rear Admiral J. R. Haley (April 2011 – January 2013) Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery (January 2013 – Present) About Forward Deployed Naval Forces The United States of America is a nation with global interests. We conduct trade with other nations on an unmatched scale as the U.S. imports and exports hundreds of billions of dollars per year in goods and services. Perhaps due to our history as a nation of immigrants, we desire to foster democracy around the world. Those and other interests cannot be acted upon if we do not maintain a strong presence well forward of our borders. For a century and a half, the U.S. Navy has maintained a presence in the Western Pacific and Indian Ocean to promote peace, regional cooperation and stability. That forward presence is maintained by the Forward Deployed Naval Forces (FDNF) of the Navy-Marine Corps team. The concept of forward presence in the U.S. Navy has existed since 1907, when President Roosevelt's Great White Fleet of 16 battleships sailed over 40,000 miles, making twenty port calls on six continents. Today, FDNF operate out of bases and ports around the world, including the Arabian Gulf, Mediterranean, and the Western Pacific, home to the 5th, 6th, and Seventh Fleets, respectively. Our presence in the Indo-Asia-Pacific region is more important than ever. U.S. naval forces help encourage dialogue, promote growth and ensure the free flow of trade, of which the oceans have increased importance. The Indo-Asia-Pacific region is one of the most dynamic areas of our rapidly-changing world, and our fleet must be maintained at a high state of operational, materiel and personnel readiness in order to be flexible and responsive to address a crisis situation requiring military support. Forces continuously stationed forward (as FDNF forces are) provide increased operational responsiveness for a crisis, strengthening partnerships with our treaty bound allies and help shape the operational environment during steady state operations. These units are true “force multipliers” for the Pacific Fleet and Seventh Fleet Commanders. External Links • USS Antietam (CG 54) • USS Shiloh (CG 67) • Destroyer Squadron 15 • USS Curtis Wilbur (DDG 54) o USS John S. McCain (DDG 56) o USS Fitzgerald (DDG 62) o USS Stethem (DDG 63) o USS Lassen (DDG 82) o USS McCampbell (DDG 85) o USS Mustin (DDG 89) • Carrier Air Wing 5 o HSC-12 o HSM-77 o VFA-102 o VFA-27 o VFA-115 o VFA-195 o VAQ-141 o VAW-115 o VRC-30, Det. 5 Carrier Strike Group Five Active April 25, 1944 to date Country United States of America Branch United States Navy Type Carrier Strike Group Role Naval Air/Surface Warfare Part of U.S. Seventh Fleet Garrison/HQ Yokosuka, Japan Nickname Carrier Strike Group Commander Rear Admiral Mark Montgomery Motto First to Fight Engagements World War II Korean War Vietnam War Operation Desert Storm Operation Enduring Freedom Operation Iraqi Freedom Website Carrier Strike Group 5

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.56.181.194 (talk) 03:04, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello, and thank you for your service! The best place to make your suggestions about article content is the specific article's talk page. It is worth noting that in order for these contributions to survive, they must be supported by reliable sources independent of the subject, and cannot contain original research. So while your position as a public affairs officer might provide you with information not easily obtained by the public, we must need to be able to source them beyond your personal observation and interpretation, as all information on Wikipedia must be verifiable. That is, anybody should be able to trot down to a library to start verifying the facts. The article currently has seven references. If you can provide more, and submit them as in-line references, that would be fantastic. If you need any help, I'm happy to answer your questions, as would be any other Wikipedia editor. I do admit that I know nothing about military history, though. Respectfully, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:53, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

citing references

How do I cite a reference multiple times. I have cited a reference once which appears in the reference list eg Smith,P. (2003)......If I want to cite this again in the article again how do I do it. I type in <rename=smith... but t creates a new reference instead of just putting the number used for smith previously used. Is the problem that I have not defined somehow a name for the first smith paper. If so how do I do that

Many thanks 05:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)05:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Csuenm (talk • contribs)

This is described at WP:REFNAME. You need to adjust your first reference to say <ref name="Favaloro">Favaloro, N. ... </ref>, and then you can use it again with the code <ref name="Favaloro"/>. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Hebrew wikipedia editors racism

Dear Sirs at Wikipedia worldwide,

Racism by wikipedia Hebrew entries editors: Lostam, Assayas, Nero Yair and Gilgamesh is done daily!!! Their approach to cut entries of sephardic Jews subjects is obvious, they oppose any edits to add true facts and details. Those editors way of rejecting to accept other users opinion, is unacceptable in the 21st century. They clearly violate the freedom of writing in wikipedia but dictate their mood negatively. Due to their irresponsible acts, that show they are not serious, no one will donate any more to wikipedia not even one cent because of their narrow mind. Another point is that those editors admit they have no clue nor background in many areas that they watch, they decide too fast without using any deep thoughts regarding how the public would benefit from reading entries and learning. Wikipedia has lost donations as a consequence of letting those editors do as they wish instead of controlling them . It is important that wikipedia headquarters be aware of those arrogant Hebrew editors. Israel6565 (talk) 06:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)--

This is the help desk for English Wikipedia, not "wikipedia headquarters". We here have no influence over what happens at Hebrew Wikipedia. Maproom (talk) 07:33, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Do we have a mechanism for forwarding this kind of stuff to the right Wikipedia? It might help to avoid in future the shitstorms we are currently getting in the media, with regard to non-English Wikipedias and racism, discrimination, bias, etc. Thanks ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 08:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Sandbox

I added an article about Prof.Ramazan Sarı, who is one of the famous economist in Turkey. Although I added the article on 29th of August, it is still not published. Actually, it is seen only my Sandbox. I'd like to know whether there are something wrong with this entry? What can I do to accelarate the process. ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hmenges (talk • contribs) 07:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

User:Hmenges/sandbox seems to be mostly not in English, and it is also completely unclear what it is supposed to be an article about, so it is not suitable for inclusion as an article in the English Wikipedia. Please take a look at some existing recognised Wikipedia Good Articles at Wikipedia:GA to get an idea of how an article should be written, formatted and structured. You may also wish to read Wikipedia:Your first article. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:00, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

(e/c) Firstly, this is the English Wikipedia, and any article posted here needs to be in English, not Turkish - or are you hoping to post it on the Turkish Wikipedia?. Please do not just put the text through Google translate or a similar translator, as the translation is not good enough. Secondly, having tried to understand what you are saying, Bing comes up with:- "The following is my own personal website, resume." Wikipedia does not accept resumes - please see WP:NOTRESUME. Arjayay (talk) 08:12, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

And if it is a copy of the professor's resume taken directly from his website, it is almost certainly a violation of his copyright and couldn't be reproduced on Wikipedia even if it were suitable, which, as others have explained above, it certainly isn't. - Karenjc (talk) 08:27, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

"Biosphere Conciousness"

I would like to open a wikipedia Subject called: "Biosphere Consciousness"

I would like to do this by posting an article written by Keith Gordon - for - Seattle Everyday Spirituality Examiner - about a talk given by: Jeremy Rifkin - entitled - The Empathic Civilization / Ross Institure Summer Academy 2010.

It is a well written article and Jeremy Rifkin's talk is spot on and very pertinent.

In my mind the most critical thing humanity can be focused on at this time.

Please let me know how to go about this, Thank you in advance, Starlightwalking — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starlightwalking (talk • contribs) 08:34, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

One imagines the Seattle Everyday Spirituality Examiner retain copyright over their material, so you cannot post material from their publication on Wikipedia. Arthur goes shopping (talk) 08:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Even if they do not retain copyright, Wikipedia is not a publisher, it does not allow essays or other original research to be reproduced - please see WP:NOTESSAY. If the subject "Biosphere Consciousness" has already been covered in sufficient, third party, reliable sources an article could be written on the subject, but not until then. Arjayay (talk) 09:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Help with the table needed

String thongs

Back	Sides
	Strap	Tie	Strapless
T-back
G-string
V-string
C-string

Can't figure out the codes of this table from Thong (clothing). Please take a look. Lines should run through the table and not end or begin inside a column.

It would be great if I could change the "backs" column to read - Low coverage (V-string and Maebari), Medium coverage (G-string, T-back, C-string ) and High coverage (Cheeky and T-back). The sides row should read - Strap (V-string, G-string, Cheeky), Tie-side (T-back) and Strapless (Maebari, C-string) Aditya^{(talk • contribs)} 10:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Like this? ツ Jenova20 ^(email) 11:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

String thongs

Back	Sides
	Strap	Tie-side	Strapless
Low coverage (V-string and Maebari)
Medium coverage (G-string, T-back, C-string)
High coverage (Cheeky and T-back)

Or this?:

String thongs

Back	Sides
	Strap	Tie-side	Strapless
Low coverage			Maebari
Medium coverage
High coverage	Cheeky	T-back

Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 11:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Content submission - revised

Subject: Att. Sarah Stierch - re. Articles for Creation / Maloti Drakensberg Route (MDR) Ref. Nikki Tilley

Hello Sarah!

I am trying to help get the following accepted into Wikipedia.

As far as I can see, you declined the article on the 2nd June with the comments that it had too much “promotional language” and you also asked for more “reliable sources”. For instance you felt that claiming the route to be “great for birding” was promotional, but I see the wording was actually “significant birding” which is surely not the same? But I cannot find further communication after 2nd June and would like to re-ignite this thing!

Anyway I have also played around with the text a little and have hopefully removed some of the possible offending bits that slipped through the net. PLEASE have a look and let me know if there is anything else I/we need to do. We would so much love to get this in before the end of the month. Here it is:

article submission

The Maloti Drakensberg Route in Southern Africa incorporates two countries, South Africa and Lesotho, within which the Eastern Free State, the Eastern Cape Highlands and the uKhahlamba Drakensberg in KwaZulu-Natal are included. The Maloti Drakensberg Route (MDR) is a registered not-for-profit entity. This has come about due to collaboration between the Department of Tourism, the Lesotho Tourism Development Corporation, SAN Parks, Ezemvelo KZN Wildlife, Tourism Kwa-Zulu Natal, Free State Tourism, Eastern Cape Parks and Tourism Agency, The Maloti Drakensberg Transfrontier Programme and route patrons, N3 Toll Concession and AKTV. The Route encompasses a World Heritage Site, namely the uKhahlamba Drakensberg Park. It contains the world’s largest outdoor heritage art gallery of over 45,000 images of San Rock Art found at over 2000 sites. The Route has the world’s second highest waterfall, Tugela Falls, which drops 947m. , and Maletsunyane Falls, a single cataract on a tributary of the Orange River in Lesotho, 75 miles (121 km.) southeast of Maseru. With a drop of 630 feet (191 metres), it is one of the world’s highest waterfalls and is important to Lesotho as a tourist attraction. Paleontologists finds include the world’s oldest clutch of dinosaur eggs at Golden Gate Highlands National Park On 11 June 2001 the governments of the Kingdom of Lesotho and south Africa signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to establish the Maloti Drakensberg Transfrontier Conservation and Development Area,which covers about 13,000 sq. kms and includes the uKhahlamba Drakensberg World Heritage Site. The area has spectacular scenery and is an important centre of endemism for montane plant species. The mountains, with their highest peak Thaba Ntlenyana rising to 3,482 metres, are home to the world’s largest and most concentrated group of rock paintings in Africa south of the Sahara. There are some 600 known sites containing between 35 – 40,000 individual images painted by the San people over a period of at least 4,000 years. The area is furthermore the most important water catchment area for the people of Lesotho and South Africa. The Maloti Drakensberg Route is the only area south of the High Atlas Mountains in north Africa offering commercial snow skiing experiences; the world’s second largest basaltic upland area; Africa’s highest nature reserve accessible by vehicle; over 3,000 species of flora of which 16% are found nowhere else in the world. It hasone of the world’s most significant birding hotspots, some of the world’s most significant and award winning engineering achievements through the Lesotho Highlands Water Project.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.133.245.71 (talk) 11:46, 14 October 2013

You can request that the members at Articles for Creation look at your content again by clicking on the "resubmit" link on the entry for your page. However, it still seems to need a bit of work to me. The references are low quality, and don't prove notability particularly well. The language is still quite promotional in places as well.  drewmunn  talk  11:57, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

I have two three comments on the proposed article. First, it ought to start by saying what it is about. Is it a road, or some kind of national park, or what? Second, There's suddenly a paragraph about "Maletsunyane Falls", with no evident relationship to the subject of the article. Third, that paragraph is a copyright violation of this. Maproom (talk) 12:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

Request for unprotection

The page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valeri_Lilov was deleted in 2010 and protected from creation. Now, it has been updated/reviewed and exists under a different name (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiger_Lilov). How is it possible unprotect the page, so it can be moved to it's original name?