User talk:Sturmvogel 66

Descending from the heavens

I have returned from my Wikibreak. And how better to mark that by archiving my talk page?--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:17, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back

Great to see you back, Sturm! Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 23:04, 25 October 2017 (UTC)

Hopefully, I can start to do some reviewing once I finish off salvaging the pesky German destroyer Z1 Leberecht Maass ACR in the next couple of days.

Glad you're back! :) --Rosiestep (talk) 00:32, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back from your Wikisabbatical. Pennsy22 (talk) 06:07, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Likewise, great to see you back, Sturm. Hope you are well. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Ditto. Welcome back, Sturm. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 05:43, 27 October 2017 (UTC)

Welcome back. I hope that you will create more articles that I can translate to pl.wiki :) PMG (talk) 16:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, one of these days, I hope to return the favor and expand the articles on the Polish ships in WW2 as I'm fairly certain that they're better covered in Polish than in English-language sources.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2017 (UTC)

A goat for you!

Just because I assume you hate recieving WikiLove, and goats got added to the options list for reasons I'm not aware of... ;-) Welcome back!

Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 18:53, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Hah! Little do you know I'd been watching videos about raising goats for the farm that I'll buy whenever I win the lottery! Look like too much trouble to me, though. Which of course makes them a perfect symbol for my trouble-making self.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2017 November newsletter: Final results

The final round of the 2017 WikiCup is over. Congratulations to the 2017 WikiCup top three finalists:

• First Place - Adityavagarwal (submissions)
• Second Place - Vanamonde (submissions)
• Third Place - Cas Liber (submissions)

In addition to recognizing the achievements of the top finishers and everyone who worked hard to make it to the final round, we also want to recognize those participants who were most productive in each of the WikiCup scoring categories:

• Featured Article – Cas Liber (actually a two-way tie with themselves for an astonishing five FAs in R2 and R4).
• Good Article – Adityavagarwal had 14 GAs promoted in R5.
• Featured List – Bloom6132 (submissions) and 1989 (submissions) both produced 2 FLs in R2
• Featured Pictures – SounderBruce (submissions) improved an image to FP status in R5, the only FP this year.
• Featured Topic – MPJ-DK (submissions) has the only FT of the Cup in R3.
• Good Topic – Four different editors created a GT in R2, R3 and R4.
• Did You Know – Adityavagarwal had 22 DYKs on the main page in R5.
• In The News – MBlaze Lightning (submissions) had 14 ITN on the main page in R2.
• Good Article Review – Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (submissions) completed 31 GARs in R1.

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Regarding the prize vouchers - @Adityavagarwal, Vanamonde93, Casliber, Bloom6132, 1989, and SounderBruce: please send Godot13 (talk · contribs · email) an email from the email address to which you would like your Amazon voucher sent. Please include your preference of global Amazon marketplace as well. We hope to have the electronic gift cards processed and sent within a week.

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Italicizing Russian

MOS:ITALICS has the answer you were asking of Anomalocaris: Don't italicize non-English material that's not in Latin-based script; the very fact that it's in Cyrillic is enough to set it apart as non-English. For such a language, the practice is to italicize the Romanization, not the Cyrillic (or Greek, or Japanese, or whatever) original, and not the English gloss (which goes in single quotes, per MOS:SINGLE). The {{lang|ru}} markup goes around the original-language word. Example: Russian самизда́т samizdat, 'self-published'. It can also be done with a single {{lang-ru}} template: {{lang-ru|самизда́т|samizdat|self-published}}, which produces: Russian: самизда́т, romanized: samizdat, lit. 'self-published'. (That's a bit long-winded for every use, so we don't always use that template; once the order is established, it's annoying to the reader to have "Russian:", "translit.", and "lit." again and again in the same material.) Doing it with {{lang|ru}} and manual markup instead of {{lang-ru}} also allows a different presentation order, e.g.: Soviet censorship was evaded by dissident publications termed samizdat (самизда́т, 'self-published' in Russian).  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  07:13, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't investigated deeply enough to notice that you could have both the transliteration and the translation in the template.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:53, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017

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Joseph not a RS?

I'm assuming these removals imply the source isn't a reliable one? - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:48, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

As he's an avowed neo-Nazi, I don't think that we can trust anything that he says. While the Fa 223 may have been considered for the rescue mission, you should be able to confirm it from better sources, either on the better books on German helicopters or books on the rescue mission itself.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:37, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I did manage to trip over the main discussion and yeaaaaah, we can do better. (Also how did I forget to sign that earlier. Bah!). Thanks. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 20:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm a little reluctant to wipe out all of the citations without looking at the book. It may well be a very model of proper sourcing without POV pushing, but I'm not particularly inclined to lay down money that that's the case. The Fa 223 cite was trivial enough that removing it did no damage to the article, but that's not the case in a couple of other articles that I looked at.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

It's not just the fact that he's a neo-Nazi or a sexual predator, he's also a peddler of junk science, and he has no academic credentials. He could very well have written two fine history books, but that doesn't mean he's any better than any self-published hobbyist as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Taken together, nothing he's ever written has any place here. Parsecboy (talk) 01:05, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Good topic

Hello, I've nommed a good topic on the Type 1934-class destroyers, after getting the lead article (Type 1934-class destroyers) to GA. I've listed you as a main contributor since you've done a ton of the work involved; Though I should tell you, and ask if you think I should add anyone else in on to the "Main contributors". Cheers. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:50, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

They were mostly my work, although you could check their edit histories to see if anyone else made major contributions.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:17, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018

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Women in Red World Contest

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Thanks.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:30, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Adelabde Dutcher

Nice article. But I was wondering about the name...this says "Adelaide". Seems more likely to me, but I don't have your source in front of me. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:06, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

You're right. There's a typo in the heading of my source, but the body says Adelaide. And I looked at it so many times to ensure that I spelled it properly! So I've moved it to the proper spelling.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:22, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I know how that is. Happens to me all the damn time. My favorite is when I look at an article some months after creating it and discover a pesky little punctuation error that I missed the first time.

Happy editing and contest-ing! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 21:23, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Can't catch Miyagawa, but I'm doing pretty well.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:27, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Good show!

Gotta say, you were definitely a worthy opponent for The World Contest. I'm impressed and more than a little embarrassed that you always managed to be two articles ahead me - good show. Enjoy the book money my friend, you earned it. –Vami_IV✠ 23:10, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, you pushed me far harder than I expected today! I had rather thought that I could just sort of cruise through the day, carefully adding articles where they'd do me the most good overall, not focused on pumping them out as fast I could, just trying to stay ahead of you.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Canadian biographies

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An exceptional barnstar for you

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Thanks, yourself, for running a great contest.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:54, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

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1st SS Police Regiment

Hi there. I don't edit in military history at all, but I ran into you through your comment at User talk:OberRanks and thought you'd be interested in this discussion at Talk:Lion Guard. This appears to be OR's typical pattern, and dealing with it can end up being quite time-consuming. They were warned by ArbCom years ago not to engage in this sort of conduct. I don't even know if you can call it original research. (I am not watching this page, so please ping me if you want my attention.) --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 23:22, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Sturm, see here for the motivation about this contact [1]. Pretty sad this guy is monitoring my talk page, trying to keep the battle alive. Anyway, thank you for your great additions to the 1st SS regiment article. I will look around for specific texts which place it under the Spree police command. Good night! -O.R.^Comms 07:21, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Also, looks like your beating me to it, expanding the articles on the SS and police. I am actually prohibited from writing on Wikipedia about these as I'm under a publishing contract right now. I think you will like a book which is due out next year. In the meantime, keep up the good work! -O.R.^Comms 02:48, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm just laying out the skeleton for all the regiments with their organizational histories for the nonce. Maybe I'll return and fill out the articles once I dig up more coverage of their post-formation activities. My sources to hand don't really cover their individual battalions after they become part of the regiments, so we'll just have to see.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:22, 10 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:RAF Lossiemouth/GA1

Sturmvogel 66, you opened this nomination on October 28, but have yet to return to actually begin the review. Should I put it back into the pool of unreviewed nominations, or do you plan to start your review in the next few days? Please let me know. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:36, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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New Page Reviewing

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Happy Holidays

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Thanks, and the same to you!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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Thank you

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		For your content work and for coming back to the project I am pleased to personally award you with this barnstar and add you to my 2017 New Years Honours List. Thank you for your contributions to WikiProject Military History. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 13:06, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Rupert. It's good to be back.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:30, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Season's Greetings

...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 00:30, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

And the same to you from the eastern seaboard!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:11, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

HH!

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		Thinking of you and wishing you good health and happiness. --Rosiestep (talk) 00:47, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! And the same to you!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:11, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Cheers, Sturm. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:58, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Hope you had a good Christmas like I did.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:00, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Articles for Creation Reviewing

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Deliberately not pinging

as that could be verging on harassment by now :) but I was slightly unsure as to how to take your final sentence. >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 17:28, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Many thanks for your thorough review

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		Thanks for all your ideas, suggestions and help. Maybe see you soon  ;) Take care! >SerialNumber54129...speculates 20:08, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

It was good working with you. Hopefully I'll hear from you soon.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:32, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

Back again, Sturmvogel ... I wonder if you'd care to glance over this stub ;) (officially, anyway!), and see if you want to run with it? Happy new year, of course (belatedly). >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 19:13, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

OK, I've claimed it, but I've some other stuff on my plate before I get to it.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:01, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

WP:NODEADLINE = WP:NOWORRIES  :) cheers, >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 20:04, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

Although I see what you mean  :) >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 20:01, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Err: sorry sturmvogel  :) any chance you could guesstimate a point at which your plate will have emptied sufficiently for this to be attacked / looked at...? No pressure; but a rough idea would be appreciated. Take care! >SerialNumber54129^{...speculates} 13:28, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't worry about it; but probably not before the end of the month.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

What do you mean with "way too broad"?

Hi,

I was wondering why you said "way too borad" at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kotor-class_frigate&oldid=prev&diff=818124394 , the ship class is in active service and it is therefore logical to connect/link to the page List of naval ship classes in service. Dragnadh (talk) 19:25, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

A better fit would be "list of frigate classes in service" so you could compare them to equivalent ships in other navies. Comparing them to destroyer or minesweepers does nothing because they're so different.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

I understand your point. I find the list also very broad and cluttered, however, I did not make it and it seems to be used by others, that's why I though to link active classes to it, in a way to help. It would be better to have a list of submarines(exist already: List of submarine classes in service), frigates, destroyers etc. I do not mind splitting the current page up, but I will probs get into arguments with people who already made that bloated page. Dragnadh (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Might be better just to create the ones that you want as I think that a list of all classes in service is so big that it's functionally useless, although it appeals to certain types who think that lists should be capped by an higher, ultimate list.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:26, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Sturmvogel 66 I opened a discussion at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_naval_ship_classes_in_service#Split_this_article_into_multiple_articles I would appreciate your input there. Dragnadh (talk) 20:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

October to December 2017 Milhist article reviewing

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Thanks, Rupert.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of HMS Erin

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Your GA nomination of HMS Erin

The article HMS Erin you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:HMS Erin for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Parsecboy -- Parsecboy (talk) 20:21, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

South American Battleships 1908–59: Brazil, Argentina and Chile's great dreadnought race

Seeing the above planned title in Osprey's 2018 New Vanguard series obviously caught my attention. ;-) But you might be interested in Soviet Destroyers of World War II, Italian Cruisers of World War II, and British Ironclads 1860–75: HMS Warrior and the Royal Navy's 'Black Battlefleet'. cc Parsecboy Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Well, hopefully they've managed to tap some foreign-language sources; otherwise I suspect that the three of us could have written 3 or 4 of the ship titles by ourselves.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:02, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Every time I see one of these Ospreys come out on topics we've already covered, I wonder how much they're just cribbing our stuff. It is interesting to see how we've largely progressed past where Ospreys have been useful sources - there was a time when Gary Staff's books on German battleships and battlecruisers were required for those articles, but since I've gotten access to Hildebrand, I've noticed that Staff's books are more or less translations of Hildebrand, usually with some material elided. Parsecboy (talk) 12:37, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Hopefully none of them are by Angus Kostam, I was working with that retired editor who did the King George Vs and was using the Osprey as a main source a few years ago and I found all sorts of contradictory stuff on the light AA armament in more thorough books which I trust more. That said, I hope the Soviet DD book has more stuff on the post-war careers of the surviving destroyers than that one article from Warship. Which is probably why I've never tried to upgrade the articles on the DDs.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:22, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think I got one of Konstam's books at one point and wasn't impressed. Certainly not up to Staff's quality, and even that isn't all that useful at this point.

The Cold War's been over for almost 30 years now (has anybody told Putin?) - you'd think Polmar or somebody would have gotten over there by now to access the old Soviet archives for work along the lines of Submarines of the Russian and Soviet Navies, 1718-1990. Parsecboy (talk) 14:31, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Putin locked down the archives a decade or two ago to all but Russian nationals, IIRC, although I'm seeing more stuff showing up of late from Western historians, so maybe some restrictions have been loosened. There's tons of Russian ship books that have been published, although my few dozen words of Russian and crappy machine translating have barred me from trying to use them much. It was great when I could get Russian-reading coauthors a few years back, but they've all GAFIA'ted. We just need to teach Norman Friedman Russian! He's got to be desperate for new topics to research as he's virtually exhausted English-language topics once his forthcoming book on British predreadnoughts comes out later this year.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:39, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn't been following it all that closely. I wonder if there's anybody you could recruit from ru.wiki. Guess we should send Friedman a copy of Rosetta Stone? Parsecboy (talk) 15:04, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I poked around a few years ago, but the warships on .ru are not well covered. Kinda like .fr where our coverage is generally better than theirs.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 15:09, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Shame about the poor quality of the Osprey books, though I suppose I'm not surprised (with the benefit of hindsight). Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:17, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

There's only so much you can do when you've only got 48 pages to cover a bunch of ships and their war. Decent introductory stuff, but rarely much more than that. Although they at least have bibliographies now, so at least you can delve deeper if you want.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 04:30, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Centurion-class battleship

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Police Regiment Centre

Hi, some queries have been posted to the Talk page; would appreciate your feedback. K.e.coffman (talk) 00:25, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Military history A-Class medal with diamonds

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		On behalf of the WikiProject Military history coordinators, you are hereby awarded the Military history A-Class medal with diamonds for your excellent work on developing German destroyer Z2 Georg Thiele, Russian battleship Petropavlovsk (1894), and HMS Vanguard (1909) to A-Class status. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:58, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Rupert.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 05:09, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

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Groscurth GA

Saw your ping, sorry for the delay, I've been very busy. I'm assuming it's in reference to requested changes to the article. I hope to have a crack at it in the next day. I just haven't had the time to get on but I'll see what I can set aside tonight or tomorrow. Thank you again. LargelyRecyclable (talk) 02:48, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Sure, no problem.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:55, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

A little question or asking

Hello , I'm Comrade John from other language Wikipedia.

Just like the title said , what kind of ships and how many ships that Royal Navy wanted to build in the 1938, 1939, and 1940 Naval Programmes ?

I just looked at "Lion-class battleship" , something makes me wonder but can't find information online , so yeah.

Thank you. -- Comrade John (talk) 19:56, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to say that I don't know the actual totals, only the numbers for certain classes.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:11, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Such as ? Some big ship like Battleship and Aircraft carrier ? -- Comrade John (talk) 20:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Depends, usually the class article discusses how many ships of that class were ordered in each naval programme.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:27, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok , be straight. I'm asking Lion-class battleship , is it true that Royal Navy wanted to build two Lion-class battleships in 1938 , 1939 and 1940 Naval Programmes ? No other additional battleship planned to build in those Naval Programmes ? Cause except those four , I never see other two's information in other language Wikipedia and other online sources , even in construction section of Lion-class battleship article in English Wikipedia. So what's their background about it ? Are those two have names and pennant number ? -- Comrade John (talk) 05:47, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

The 5 King George V-class ships were ordered under the 1936 and 1937 programs, so the Lions were the only battleships ordered in the three subsequent programs. No names or pennant numbers were ever assigned to the last two ships.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:23, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you , brother. Found something related to Lion-class and it's Naval Programmes in Japanese Wikipedia. If you can translate Japanese to English , you might find it great value to translate this one -- Comrade John (talk) 17:56, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Rudolf Berthold

Hello,

Are you going to continue your review of the above?Georgejdorner (talk) 00:05, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

You have't yet responded to my last round of comments on the 6th, so I just figured you were too busy.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:19, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

No, not too busy. And when I wrote the above, I was current with my responses. And, rookie at GAN that I am, I thought I would receive some notice of responses needed. I didn't put my nom on my watchlist because when I tried that I was overrun with every item that happened in every GAN. My response to you is tied to my remembering to check back.

Anyhow, I have responded to all your suggestions to date, and I await your "More later".Georgejdorner (talk) 05:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Once you get notified that someone has started the review of your nom, you have to go in and watchlist the review itself. It's kinda of an awkward process, I agree. I'll try to knock out some more tomorrow.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:05, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

I have worked on the suggestions you posted earlier today. I eagerly await your next critique.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:03, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Once again, I have answered your review concerns, in my own inimitable fashion.Georgejdorner (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

I've been checking the GAN page daily. Hint, hint, nudge, nudge.Georgejdorner (talk) 04:43, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Hello. It has now been two weeks since your last edit on this review. If you do not have time to complete the review, could you please place it back into nomination for another reviewer's attention?

Thank you.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:17, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

My apologies; real life issues have kept me mostly offline this last week. I've finished the review and have requested a second opinion on the article.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:00, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

You seem to have skipped two sections in your review--1917 and 1918. At any rate, we are seven weeks into a half done seven day review that is accomplishing little to improve the article. You seem to lack the time and energy for reviewing, and I can accept that. No hard feelings...please just flunk the nom so I can throw it back in the pool for another editor.

Thank you.Georgejdorner (talk) 21:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

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Military history A-Class medal with diamonds

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		On behalf of the WikiProject Military history coordinators, you are hereby awarded the Military history A-Class medal with diamonds for your excellent work on developing Petropavlovsk-class battleship, German destroyer Z3 Max Schultz, and Type 1934-class destroyer to A-Class status. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 23:32, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Rupert--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:05, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

McTiernan

I'm sorry. I really did not mean to cause the acrimony I seem to have caused. I became interested in the International Squadron after encountering it multiple times in ship histories, and when I found McTiernan it seemed to me to be a scholarly and well-researched work that shed a lot of light on the squadron and clarified vague discussions of various aspects of the squadron's operations mentioned in and corroborated by other sources. I found the International Squadron article that existed consisted of three sentences, and so I saw an opportunity to really improve Wikipedia's coverage of the topic, which I thought I had done. It seems to me that we should be able to build articles based on existing sources that include reasonable levels of scholarship and then improve on them over time as other (better) sources are found, and I would ask that we follow that approach rather than delete everything based on some arbitrary standard that may not reflect true scholarship. And, after working on the article for a month or so, I have no sources that contradict the McTiernan in any major way, and have tried to indicate cases where sources disagree on precise figures or dates.

As for the citation format, I meant no harm. I have not encountered anyone angered by the format I used before, and do not understand why it would provoke an emotional reaction. But I assume there is a good reason, and so, for that, again, I apologize. If it's that important to you, I can backtrack and fix it so that you don't have to, although please give me a week or two to find to do it in my spare time.Mdnavman (talk) 17:45, 25 January 2018 (UTC)mdnavman

I think that you've done good work with the International Squadron article that I created and essentially abandoned many years ago. The problem is that with only a MA, McTiernan doesn't meet the criteria to be considered RS, something that's very important when articles are formally assessed. Parsecboy and myself, among others, have worked many hours to improve battleship and ship articles in general up to Good Article quality and beyond and we're loath to have somebody come along and downgrade our work became some other editor starts adding material that doesn't meet all of the requirements of WP:RS and WP:V.

Until McTiernan writes his Ph.D. thesis or publishes a book on the Cretan Intervention, we really can't use his material in articles where his reliability is going to be formally judged. What we can use are his original sources like the newspaper articles and the like; we'd just need to see if that material is online or if that information is mentioned in other sources like Clowes which meet the WP:RS criteria. That, as I'm sure that you're aware, would be a lot of work.

I just got upset because consistency of format is very important when an article is being assessed at A-class or Featured Article and you've added inconsistently formatted books to a whole bunch of articles that Parsecboy and I have, or are planning to work on. Most editors don't really care about this sort of stuff because they're not striving to meet the Featured Article criteria, which is why you haven't been getting complaints from anyone else. We do that sort of thing automatically by now as it saves a ton of work if we decide to sent an article up to A-class review or Featured Article candidates. I'm not sure how much urgency Parsec feels about fixing all this stuff, but I'm not in any particular hurry and I'd appreciate it if you can take care of things yourself so that I don't have to do it myself.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:23, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

For those wondering, I've gone ahead and removed references to McTiernan from the articles I've written, leaving what I could to Clowes and other sources. Parsecboy (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

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A US women or a ship contest?

Hi, I've created Wikipedia:Contests/Toolkit/Template based on the very successful women contest model. It will make setting up a new contest really easy on any topic. You might be interested in running a contest for the US or ships or something based on the model. If so I'd be happy to help you set it up and guide you to getting a grant and participants.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Doc!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:32, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

January 2018 Military History Writers' Contest

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		On behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the Writer's Barnstar for placing equal first in the January 2018 Military History Article Writing Contest with 98 points from 11 articles. Congratulations! AustralianRupert (talk) 08:27, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Evanescence

I feel you may have forgotten this - you didn't respond to the ping, either. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 17:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018

Your Military History Newsletter Project news: From the editors; awards and honours; contest results Articles: Last month's new featured and A-class content Book review: Nick-D on the Napoleonic Wars and Hawkeye7 on World War II Op-ed: Hawkeye7 on generalship in 1918 Timeline: This month in World War I

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TFA

This is to let you know that the HMS St Vincent (1908) article has been scheduled as today's featured article for March 3, 2018. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/March 3, 2018. Hope you're doing well.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:53, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the ship which "had a typical career for a WWI-era British dreadnought. A few shells fired during the Battle of Jutland mid-way through the war and that was all the combat she experienced. Aside from a few other unsuccessful attempts to intercept German ships, her war consisted of monotonous training in the North Sea."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:53, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

You're quite welcome, Gerda.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:52, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

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Type 1934 destroyers

Hello Sturmvogel
I notice you removed the source I added to the infobox here (viz), with the edit summary "cited in the main body". Is there a rule, then, that says if some information is given twice it can only be sourced once?
The reason for adding the source was that, if the information is wrong (or at least, different to any information the reader may have, as it was here, and here) and there's no indication where it came from, then it is unverifiable (something we do have a rule about): And if the information is to be sourced, then it is logical to put it with the information it is supporting, so that the reader doesn't have to scour the article to find it.
So is there a good reason why we shouldn't source infoboxes? Xyl 54 (talk) 01:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

See WP:INFOBOXREF--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 01:08, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Well, that's clear enough (though hardly logical, IMO). I notice the values for the displacement in the General Characteristics section were changed, though the reference stayed the same; do the two sources ( Groener, and Koop&Schmolke) agree with each other now? Xyl 54 (talk) 23:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Keep in mind that the infobox is supposed to be a summary and thus doesn't need to be sourced independently of the main body. Just like the lede. Gröner provides figures for various displacements in either long or metric tons, which are easy to confuse if you're not careful.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

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I have started on this. You may want to look at my first comments. More to follow. Gog the Mild (talk) 08:19, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of German destroyer Z34

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HMS Eglinton

Hi, greetings As per the page above, if it is no a disam page, and would like to make it to a list page, then the title should change to List HMS Englinton. As the present stage, no citation and content does not constitution an article. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA^(talk) 16:35, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Be so good as to read WP:SETINDEX and look at HMS Hunter for an example of a far fuller version--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:45, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of German destroyer Z33

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Alt text for image - Japanese aircraft carrier Sōryū

You deleted the alt text for an image in this article without explanation, which causes certain readers to display the file name fo rthe image. The main purpose of alt text is to provide a description of an image for readers with visual impairment. See WP:Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Alternative_text_for_images. I'd be happy to discuss this further, perhaps on the talk page of the article. Easchiff (talk) 03:15, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Easchiff: Given the edit in question, this seems to be more of a question for Template:Infobox ship begin...? Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't understand why this discussion belongs to a particular infobox. The use of alternative text for images is a Wikipedia policy. It's enough work to write these that relatively few articles are compliant. However, I think it is particularly important for featured and good articles such as this one. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 03:43, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

@Easchiff: Yes, but if I'm not mistaken, there's no provision for alt text in that infobox. (Sturm's edit there removed the page from Category:Pages using deprecated image syntax, aka the defined image size.) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 03:55, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Ah - I hadn't gotten the point. I'll look into it some more. It would be odd for an infobox template with allowance for images to not include a way to add alternative text. Cheers, Easchiff (talk) 04:32, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of German destroyer Z30

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WikiCup 2018 March newsletter

And so ends the first round of the competition, with 4 points required to qualify for round 2. With 53 contestants qualifying, the groups for round 2 are slightly smaller than usual, with the two leaders from each group due to qualify for round 3 as well as the top sixteen remaining users.

Our top scorers in round 1 were:

• Aoba47 led the field with a featured article, 8 good articles and 42 GARs, giving a total of 666 points.
• FrB.TG , a WikiCup newcomer, came next with 600 points, gained from a featured article and masses of bonus points.
• Ssven2, another WikiCup newcomer, was in third place with 403 points, garnered from a featured article, a featured list, a good article and twelve GARs.
• Ceranthor, Numerounovedant, Carbrera, Farang Rak Tham and Cartoon network freak all had over 200 points, but like all the other contestants, now have to start again from scratch. A good achievement was the 193 GARs performed by WikiCup contestants, comparing very favourably with the 54 GAs they achieved.

Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews.

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Your GA nomination of German destroyer Z25

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"Unnecessary"?

What exactly was unneccesary?

HandsomeFella (talk) 20:50, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding periods at the end of the cites.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:12, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

As it happens, I can think of a revert that was even more unneccessary, off-the-scale so actually. What's with you and periods? There is punctuation already in the references, so why should that particular punctuation go?

Also, you re-introduced some MOS errors in the article, but I will leave it to you to find out which.

HandsomeFella (talk) 07:29, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

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Lexington

This is a good example of an article that is taken to FA in obscurity (except to you, the person writing it) and then, years later, unexpectedly being on the front pages of media sources across the Western world, resulting in the 200,000+ views this article has received the last couple of days. Thus, it's especially good that you sacrificed your time to honor this ship with an article of that quality so so many people could read and learn from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.130.15.14 (talk) 19:01, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

You are very kind. Thanks!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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You're quite welcome. I wish they all needed as little works as yours did!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:26, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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Bertke

Frankly, very surprised by your attitude towards Bertke, and by extension to Don Kindell, since the books are mostly based of his work. Are you saying Don Kindell have no qualifications to be considered a reliable source?? Crook1 (talk) 14:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Yes, that would be accurate based on my understanding of the individuals, all of whom appear to be amateur historians who have only produced self-published works. See WP:SELFPUBLISH (and WP:RS more broadly) for more information. Parsecboy (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Bertke, et al., may well be correct about what they say, but we cannot take them on their word without some sort of indicator that they actually know something about the topic. Preferably publication through a recognized publisher or journal or a PhD in the topic. Web publication on places like naval-history.net doesn't count because you or I could write up something ourselves just as easily as Kindell.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

As far as I know Kindell was commended for his work by Royal Navy Historical Archives, so I don't think you can that easily equate him with a regular Joe. I also disagree with you that you need a Ph D to go to archives and basically compile a list from various ROMs, which basically what these books are all about. One would be required to have a degree to discuss events, battles and their consequences in detail, etc but not to simply take data from a ship's ROM. Crook1 (talk) 18:56, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

Did you read either of the links I provided? What you or I individually think about a source is irrelevant - Wikipedia has defined the requirements for a source to be considered reliable, and Bertke, et al. doesn't make the grade. Parsecboy (talk) 19:22, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

of course I read them. By this is not my opinion of Kindell, but the Royal Navy's, surely it's worth something. And about those rules, even in the court of law every judge has certain degree of discretion as to how to apply the law. Rules mean nothing without enforcement. Rules are enforced by people, so the question really is who's enforcing them? Are these rules military orders, or are they flexible which I believe they should be.Crook1 (talk) 18:21, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

WP:RSN is where you can make your case that Bertke, et al., should be counted as RS.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:39, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

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April 2018 Milhist Backlog Drive

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Izumo

Thanks for the correction on the Asama - I hadn't spotted it up there! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drwong64 (talk • contribs) 22:14, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

You're welcome.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

March 2018 Milhist article writing contest

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Thanks, Peacemaker.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of Never the Bride for deletion

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Murgescu as a cruiser

Hey mate. I knew that paragraph was unsourced, but I found something that drove me to do it anyway. The Turks during WW2 had a class of two cruisers. Each of these vessels was lighter, lesser ranged and lesser armed than Murgescu (2 x 88 mm and 4 x 37 mm). So taking them as the lowest common denominator, I found it a bit unfair that Murgescu has no shot at being called a cruiser, despite sharing a sea with two lesser warships that were cruisers. Besides, she would deserve it. Murgu may have been small, but she fought like a lioness and dished it out like a ship twice her size. She'll always be an "honorary cruiser" to me. That said I won't try to re-add that section, I was aware I was kinda trying my luck with it anyway. Torpilorul (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

A couple of things, Torpilorul - the Peyk-i Şevket-class cruisers were built more than thirty years before Murgescu, and what might qualify as a cruiser in 1907 might well not in 1939. Modern destroyers are five times the size of destroyers from the WWII-era, for instance, which are themselves the size of light cruisers from the turn of the century. More importantly, lots of sources refer to the Peyk-i Şevkets as cruisers, and none as far as I'm aware call Murgescu one.

On a somewhat unrelated note, I see you both edited the article while accidentally logged out - if you'd like me to delete those revisions to hide your IPs, let me know. Parsecboy (talk) 18:28, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

To spell out what I meant in my edit summary a little more fully; it doesn't matter what we think, only what our sources say. And sometimes, they'll differ, which is about the only time that we get to choose which one to use. But not always, q.v. the recent discussion about what to call torpedo boats that the Germans sold to the Turks, who called them destroyers.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:51, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Huh, so it really is about when a ship is built. Anyway, I got my first Barnstar today, the original one even. This makes me really happy, and emboldens me to carry on the battle. There are greaseballs all over this world who aim to delete my country from history, for some reason, and I'm part of the resistance. Torpilorul (talk) 18:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Good for you! Just be careful not to go overboard; you're not here to right a great wrong. Only to accurately depict Romania's role in history.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:03, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

I can do both. There are good and honest authors that I can and do use. I won't go overboard, as said in my manifesto on my user page, I'm not a BS-er. What consolation can I have if I put out an easily-debunkable and unprovable lie? Why would I lie, even, the amount of fleet strength and combat effectiveness of my country's WW2 navy surpassed my wildest imaginations by far. But there are some things I am not afraid to say I utterly despise. Like "authors" who list only the Germans in major battles in which a good chunk of the action was done by Romanians. Just because they don't want to have another nation to memorize. I'm sorry for getting heated like this but this really grinds my gears, we pour our blood in the Russian steppe only to have some wiseguy decades later subjectively deem that our contribution is not worth mentioning. I'm suuuuure that if our soldiers knew they would be such a burden, they would have just surrendered on the spot! (sarcasm) "Well, Romania is not a notable nation." If these greaseballs keep deleting us from history, no s**t we ain't! Torpilorul (talk) 19:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

By the way, it goes without saying, but I'm a huge naval hipster. Most are "the smaller the navy the less I care", but I take a small navy as a challenge. And since I'm pretty much done with my country's navy (as much as I love it, there's only so much you can write about it, it's still of microbial size compared to the Great Powers), I'm gonna take on a real challenge: pre-WW2 Albania. Already have some sources I saved up for this. Torpilorul (talk) 17:11, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, good luck with that. I checked Conway's 1922-1946 volume; all they had during that period were two ex-German minesweepers and three motorboats. I'd very doubtful that the latter are notable unless you've got some very specific sources on their activities.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:06, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Agreed - you might consider trying to expand Albanian Naval Force first, and spinning out ship articles as the material available warrants. Parsecboy (talk) 18:28, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

BTW, Torpilorul, do your sources actually call the coastguard cruisers that you list in List of cruisers of Romania as cruisers? I don't have Jane's and can't check, but they're so small that I'm very doubtful that this is correct.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:33, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Yes sir they most certainly are. My first reaction was "Wait what?". This is really working out for me. Three of these coastguard cruisers were still in use in WW2 as river gunboats. So: my country gets to have purpose-built cruisers, which even though are smaller and weaker than our destroyers and create what would normally be an anomaly, they are rendered to river service and thus create no confusion in our Black Sea Fleet. Tell you what, I sent you an E-mail requesting Albania's section from Conway's 1922-1946. You send it, then I send you Jane's source. Torpilorul (talk) 19:01, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

OK, but there's literally nothing there other than stats.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh yeah, right, I forgot. Here's my email: bota_tobias@yahoo.com Send Albania, and I'll send Jane's. Take your time, I'll be going to bed now. You know, time zones. 'Later sir. Torpilorul (talk) 20:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

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Imperieuse

[The IWM says this is the Imperieuse in WW I, what do you say? Are you saying the Audacious was not re-named the Imperieuse in 1914? Broichmore (talk) 15:56, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

I misunderstood what you were trying to do, but that picture wasn't really appropriate for the infobox. It should have been added to the last paragraph of the main body where the ship's service as part of HMS Imperieuse is covered. See HMS Imperieuse (training establishment) for more detail.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Ok I agree, with what your saying. I put it in the infobox because it's the real deal and not a looky likey. So I'll put the image back in against the last paragraph, that, and the commons link you deleted. Agreed?Broichmore (talk) 17:06, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Go ahead, I'm not really sure that the commons link is necessary, but I don't have any serious objection to it.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 17:08, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Borodino class battlecruiser at FAC

I was sort of biding my time to see how you responded to Eric's feedback before I dug in. What do you think? I could always try to help with some revisions from an outsider's perspective. --Laser brain (talk) 23:42, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

Sorry, I've been preparing to move these last several weeks and haven't really had the time to properly respond to Eric. I'll try to get to them tonight or tomorrow and then you can take a look.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:36, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

January to March 2018 Milhist article reviewing

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Russian battleship Pobeda scheduled for TFA

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Thank you for "one of five Russian pre-dreadnought battleships captured during the Russo-Japanese War of 1904–05. She participated in all of the major naval battles of the war and was eventually sunk by Japanese artillery during the Siege of Port Arthur. After the war, she was refloated by the Japanese and incorporated into their navy after three years of repair. She was not very active in Japanese service, serving mostly in training roles, but her most significant service was during the Battle of Tsingtao during World War I when the Japanese besieged the German-held Chinese port. She was disarmed during the early 1920s in accordance with the Washington Naval Treaty and may have been broken up around the same time, although some sources suggest that she was not scrapped until the end of World War II."! What a story. - What a talk page, all thee quality articles! I have some GAs open. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:19, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda, I'll try to take a look at some of your stuff.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 11:40, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018 May newsletter

The second round of the 2018 WikiCup has now finished. Most contestants who advanced to the next round scored upwards of 100 points, but two with just 10 points managed to scrape through into round 3. Our top scorers in the last round were:

• Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with three featured articles
• Iazyges, with nine good articles and lots of bonus points
• Yashthepunisher, a first time contestant, with two featured lists
• SounderBruce, a finalist last year, with seventeen good topic articles
• Usernameunique, a first time contestant, with fourteen DYKs
• Muboshgu, a seasoned competitor, with three ITNs and
• Courcelles, another first time contestant, with twenty-seven GARs

So far contestants have achieved twelve featured articles between them and a splendid 124 good articles. Commendably, 326 GARs have been completed during the course of the 2018 WikiCup, so the backlog of articles awaiting GA review has been reduced as a result of contestants' activities. As we enter the third round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 2 but before the start of round 3 can be claimed in round 3. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met; most of the GARs are fine, but a few have been a bit skimpy.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Godot13 (talk), Sturmvogel 66 (talk), Vanamonde (talk) and Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:10, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Andrea Doria-class battleship selected as TFA for 21 June 2018

This is to let you know that the Andrea Doria-class battleship article has been scheduled as today's featured article for June 21, 2018. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 21, 2018.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and Parsecboy, and all who helped, for the two ships which "had relatively uneventful careers for vessels that were in service for both world wars. They spent WWI in port but did see some action during WWII, including the raid on Taranto in 1940, where Caio Duilio was torpedoed. Both ships survived the war and were permitted to remain in Italian hands - they continued to soldier on, alternating as the fleet flagship until the early 1950s, when they were finally decommissioned after nearly four decades in service." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

You're quite welcome.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:28, 21 June 2018 (UTC)

Japanese cruiser Kasuga and Nisshin

Hey Sturm, you've written in these articles that they were originally ordered by the Argentine Navy, but Conway's and Kasuga-class cruiser has them as being ordered by Italy. Is Conway's wrong, I presume? (The Warship 2014 article seems like a stronger source.) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 02:02, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Sent you some scans from the Argentine book to clarify things. The Kasuga-class article needs to be folded into the overall Garibaldi-class article, but I haven't gotten around to that since these ships are such a PITA to deal with. I still can't say for absolutely sure, but the combination of the more recent Warship article and the Argentine book seems pretty decisive.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:34, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Sturm. Definitely think the two pages can be merged, as it's definitely only a subclass. Fascinatingly, I've also found a lone article in an old Proceedings that claims one was originally ordered by Spain. That's novel.

That said, in the same edition of Proceedings I've also found what I'm 99% sure was Scheina's source for his information, even though he chose not to put it in a footnote. [2] It says that Argentina ordered them and includes the same "contract premium" tidbit. In any case, it's worth noting that neither Proceedings article says that they were originally ordered by Italy. Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:15, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Well, I think this pretty well settles any debate left. The Kasugas were "commenced" by Argentina, while others had been "commenced" for Italy. :-) Ed ^{[talk] [majestic titan]} 04:21, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

That's a key article on the history of the class. Unfortunately, it differs in some respects from more modern sources. The difficulties reconciling them is one reason why I haven't done much with the class article.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:46, 9 May 2018 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Greek destroyer Vasilissa Olga

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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018

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Would you please help with SS Choctaw

Would you mind having a look at weather the photos are licensed correctly. GreatLakesShips retagged them yesterday, but I'm not sure that they are tagged correctly since I am not the best with this type of thing. Thank you in advance A 10 fireplane (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC) A 10 fireplane (talk) 15:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

@A 10 fireplane: - no, the licenses are not correct. The photos are all US works, so EU copyright law is completely irrelevant. For us to be able to use the images, we need evidence of publication before 1923. Parsecboy (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

ok, thank you I'll pass it on to the wrighter of the article @GreatLakesShips: thank you again A 10 fireplane (talk) 15:59, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

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May 2018 Military History Writers' Contest

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		On behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the Writer's Barnstar for placing second in the May 2018 Military History Article Writing Contest with 63 points from 6 articles. Congratulations! AustralianRupert (talk) 07:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Rupert.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:20, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

Tegetthoff-class nearing competition

Strum, it appears that the Tegetthoff-class battleship article is getting close to completion. I've been working on it for quite a while now and I'm just waiting to touch it up with some additional sources, and maybe some sort of "Legacy" section to talk about the impact the ships had after the War.

That said, before I try to push for an A-class nomination or something of that sort, I'd like your help with the image situation. I simply don't know where to start. Everything is on the table of course, which means that I can delete pictures that I need to delete but I just don't know how to go about doing this. Mind giving me a hand?--White Shadows ^{New and improved!}

Ok, I'll go through one and tell everything that applies to why or why not it's appropriately licensed. Be sure to read Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Japanese battleship Hyūga first, though, and I'll explain anything that you don't understand. Be advised that I'm getting ready to move in the next couple of weeks, so there may be delays in responding to you, so please be patient.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 03:44, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I can help with this too. Parsecboy (talk) 12:34, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

That would be great.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 12:53, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

I had a look through the images in the article, and it's probably easier at this point to list the photos that can stay:

• File:SMS Viribus Unitis2.jpg - has a pre-1923 publication
• File:Viribus Unitis class battleship main weapon.svg - this is usable, but will probably require the uploader to add what sources they used to make the illustration
• File:30,5 cm geschützturm.jpg - has a pre-1923 publication

For the videos that are credited to ORF (which was founded in 1955) we'd need to know when they were published (and if the footage was published prior to ORF's newsreels). All other images need a date of publication and evidence that they're PD in the US (usually this will require a pre-1923 publication date). Parsecboy (talk) 15:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Warship International

Hey Sturm, I forget if you have easy access to old editions Warship International or not - I'm trying to scrounge up information on old Italian screw corvettes, and I found a reference to one of them in the 1977 edition that might have some useful technical details (Conway's is next to useless on the pre-unification ships). If not, I can probably get it from OSU. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 11:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Sorry to say that my collection isn't a complete as it used to be and I don't have that issue. Which is mostly like No. 3 of that year based on page counts from the two issues that I do have of that year.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 13:09, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for checking, OSU it is. Parsecboy (talk) 13:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018

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SMS Szent István

So get this, the music video to Coldplay's song "All Your Friends" includes a brief clip of the Szent István sinking. If you go to YouTube and find the video, fast forward to 1:35 and you'll see it. Any idea how to (if at all?) incorporate that into the article as well as Tegetthoff-class battleship?--White Shadows ^{New and improved!}

We generally discourage pop culture references in battleship articles. Otherwise the Yamato article would be full of refs to Space Battleship Yamato.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

My initial thought was something like a “Legacy” section for the ship class article, as the Tegetthoff appeared in an Italian movie, the wrecks of Szent István and Viribus Unitis are both popular diving locations, and the Szent Istvan’s sinking is commonly used in various forms of media as it is only one of two battleships in history to ever be recorded sinking in action.—White Shadows ^{New and improved!}

The diving stuff is fine, see the Nagato article, but I'm really unsure about movie appearances, etc. What do you think, Parseboy?

I mean, I'm ok with it either way. I'm just trying to think of ways to make the article as comprehensive as possible before I try to take it to ACR and eventually FAC. Always appreciate input!--White Shadows ^{New and improved!}

My thought is, if the reference is pretty notable, it should be included, but if it's not, it should be left out. A good example of this is Russian battleship Potemkin, which was the subject of a film that is routinely rated one of the best films ever made (and even there, the section becomes a magnet for crap like this). Parsecboy (talk) 23:55, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification.--White Shadows ^{New and improved!}

Pritzker Literature Award

The 2018 award was announced today. Here are some links to news articles about it: Washington Post article [3], PR Newswire [4], and Chicago Sun Times [5]. TeriEmbrey (talk) 15:07, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

WikiCup 2018 July newsletter

The third round of the 2018 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it to the fourth round had at least 227 points. Our top scorers in round 3 were:

• Courcelles, a first time contestant, with 1756 points, a tally built largely on 27 GAs related to the Olympics
• Cas Liber, our winner in 2016, with two featured articles and three GAs on natural history and astronomy topics
• SounderBruce, a finalist last year, with a variety of submissions related to transport in the state of Washington

Contestants managed 7 featured articles, 4 featured lists, 120 good articles, 1 good topic, 124 DYK entries, 15 ITN entries, and 132 good article reviews. Over the course of the competition, contestants have completed 458 GA reviews, in comparison to 244 good articles submitted for review and promoted. As we enter the fourth round, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them. When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met. Please also remember that all submissions must meet core Wikipedia policies, regardless of the review process; several submissions, particularly in abstruse or technical areas, have needed additional work to make them completely verifiable.

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Input requested: Talk:List of battleships of Japan

Sturmvogel,

I'd like your input regarding what citation method to use for List of battleships of Japan. I went through hours of work redoing all the citations only to find out that I'm going against WP:CITE. Rather than attempt a fati accompli and just ignore the fact that I broke established precedent by changing citations without establishing consensus, I started a thread over there for folks to discuss what citation style the list will use. I have no problems reverting all of my edits if we conclude that the old style should remain in place. Since you're a regular contributor to these type of lists and I recall reading a post of yours regarding WP:CITE rules, I thought it would make sense to ping you about this so you can give any input you'd like.

Thanks, --White Shadows ^{New and improved!}

Sorry to take so long to respond, but I should be done moving in a few more days and will have more time for Wiki early next week.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:02, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

April to June 2018 Milhist article reviewing

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		On behalf of the Milhist coordinators, you are hereby awarded the Content Review Medal of Merit for reviewing a total of 10 Milhist articles at PR, GAN, ACR or FAC during the period April to June 2018. Thank you for supporting Wikipedia's quality content processes. AustralianRupert (talk) 09:33, 5 July 2018 (UTC) Keep track of upcoming reviews. Just copy and paste {{WPMILHIST Review alerts}} to your user space

The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018

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Page numbers from sources

We spoke a while ago about citing specific page numbers from sources. In some of the more complicated articles, there are two sections, one for all the pages from a single source used, and then a bibliography section listing all the sources. Its time I learned how to do this, so would be appreciative if you could point out the instructions on how to build these sections into articles. Thank you! -O.R.^Comms 03:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean. The MOS suggests one section for cites which need page numbers and another with full bibliographic info for all of the sources used. You must conform to the existing citation format if one is already present, see WP:CITE. See Police Regiment South for one example.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:37, 16 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, that does indeed clear it up. I've also been told by my research contacts that there is a new SS book coming out next month, written by one of the RG242 SS historians at the U.S. National Archives. Will send you a link when its available if you'd like. -O.R.^Comms 15:53, 16 July 2018 (UTC)